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hagy34
03-26-2009, 01:33 PM
That report just doesn't make any sense. Are we trying to lose??

Dr. Gonzo
03-26-2009, 02:09 PM
Childress has such a ******* huge ego. If he isn't the guy to discover the QB or resurrect his career the little general doesn't want him. I ******* hate Childress so much. He is a garbage coach and a horrible person to have a large say on the moves a professional football team makes

vikes_28
03-26-2009, 02:59 PM
I think Childress just wants things done his way. If the Vikings don't win a superbowl I guarentee that they will be the new team in LA in 2012. I just don't see why Brad Childress can't just throw out his huge ego. If he just did that then we would be set. Or if we just got a new coach. Like russie said a while back "Sage won't lead us to a Super Bowl, but he will for sure lead us to a new coach." I Stand behind that. 400%

bearsfan_51
03-26-2009, 03:42 PM
I just don't see why Brad Childress can't just throw out his huge ego.
I'm pretty sure you answer your own question.

The_Dude
03-26-2009, 03:47 PM
....And i don't get where this ego/arrogance comes from? Didn't Reid call the plays while Mr. Noodle was the offensive coordinator?

Who knows, maybe he really isn't such a douchbag. We'll never know because this is the perception that he has given out to the public.

I still doubt that he lasts through the season.

Dr. Gonzo
03-26-2009, 03:58 PM
....And i don't get where this ego/arrogance comes from? Didn't Reid call the plays while Mr. Noodle was the offensive coordinator?

Who knows, maybe he really isn't such a douchbag. We'll never know because this is the perception that he has given out to the public.

I still doubt that he lasts through the season.

He is compensating for being a weird looking bald. That should have been a red flag during his interviews with the team before being signed right there!

General Zod
03-26-2009, 05:27 PM
Reading that they were not sold on Cutler just makes me ill. So what they are saying is that they were sold on "ground ball" T jack?

The_Dude
03-26-2009, 09:19 PM
(RotoWire) Jackson and Sage Rosenfels will conduct a "legitimate" competition for the starting quarterback job this summer, according to head coach Brad Childress, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports.
Analysis: Childress said Jackson will open training camp as the player taking the most first-team reps because of his experience, but it otherwise will be an open competition. Meanwhile, the Vikings continue to be mentioned in rumors to acquire Jay Cutler, so this job battle could take another twist.




Same old, same old... ugh

vikes_28
03-26-2009, 09:48 PM
(RotoWire) Jackson and Sage Rosenfels will conduct a "legitimate" competition for the starting quarterback job this summer, according to head coach Brad Childress, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports.
Analysis: Childress said Jackson will open training camp as the player taking the most first-team reps because of his experience, but it otherwise will be an open competition. Meanwhile, the Vikings continue to be mentioned in rumors to acquire Jay Cutler, so this job battle could take another twist.




Same old, same old... ugh

Wait a second...

So was that article from yahoo! BS?

hagy34
03-27-2009, 12:09 AM
I'm starting to see a lot of mocks with Harvin landing in the Land of 10,000 Lakes. I really like the thought of this, imagine what he could do with that kind of explosion in the Dome. I know our lack of QB kills our expectations but it would be nice to surround Sage with Peterson, Harvin and Berrian. That could be fun to watch. What do you guys think???

russie
03-27-2009, 05:54 AM
Offensive lineman to visit
March 26th, 2009 – 3:12 PM by Judd Zulgad Arizona offensive tackle Eben Britton is scheduled to have a pre-draft visit with the Vikings on April 8-9, according to Scout.com. The same website reported Wednesday that Maryland wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey is scheduled to visit Winter Park on the same dates.

Unlike many teams, the Vikings bring in all players for visits over the same two-day period.

Britton, who is 6-6, 310 pounds, is rated as the fifth best offensive tackle by Lindy’s. Pro Football Weekly has him rated fifth among tackles, projecting him as a second-round pick, and The Sporting News also has him fifth but projects him to go in the third round.

Britton is of interest to the Vikings given the help they need at right tackle. However, if the draft projections are accurate, using the No. 22 overall pick on Britton wouldn’t be wise.

Here’s what PFW said of Britton: “A three-year starter who has lined up at right and left tackle, Britton has a skill set better suited for the right side in the pros and may even wind up inside. Does not look pretty but usually gets the job done and possesses day-one starter potential.”

pete_norm
03-27-2009, 08:40 AM
Reading that they were not sold on Cutler just makes me ill. So what they are saying is that they were sold on "ground ball" T jack?


I understand what you mean cause i think Cutler would definitely be an HUGE upgrade at QB. But when you read that they weren't sold on Cutler, it might mean that they were not sold enough to sacrifice let's say 2 first round picks + a huge new contract. It's all relative sometimes. We have to consider the price asked in a trade before we pass judgement on this report (who could be completely false BTW like most "Reports" we hear around the league.)

vikes_28
03-27-2009, 08:42 AM
I could see Britton being a bust.

BlueBandit24
03-27-2009, 09:28 AM
I'm starting to see a lot of mocks with Harvin landing in the Land of 10,000 Lakes. I really like the thought of this, imagine what he could do with that kind of explosion in the Dome. I know our lack of QB kills our expectations but it would be nice to surround Sage with Peterson, Harvin and Berrian. That could be fun to watch. What do you guys think???

I like the idea. It would give us a weapon on offense that we're currently lacking. I feel Harvin is a bit like Eddie Royal, underrated as a receiver because he was asked to do so many different things at Florida. He'd be a spark to our offense immediately and assuming the Big 4 tackles are off the board I'd be open to the idea of Percy.

marshallb
03-27-2009, 12:34 PM
I don't like Harvin, do you really think that Chilly and Bevell will find a decent way to use him, plus he's way too fragile for my liking. His biggest asset for us would be his KR skills, and you never, ever use a first round pick on a KR. Also, at WR, we need more of a possession WR like Britt or Nicks than we do a speedster like Harvin. I'd rather have Harvin than Vontae Davis like I've been seeing a lot of, which makes no sense as Davis is definitely not a cover 2 corner, but I'd rather take Britton, Nicks, Britt, or Unger before any of those guys.

General Zod
03-27-2009, 12:37 PM
We matched Cincys offer to Tahi

http://blogs.twincities.com/Vikings/2009/03/vikings_match_offer_sheet_to_t.html

Vikes99ej
03-27-2009, 12:43 PM
We matched Cincys offer to Tahi

http://blogs.twincities.com/Vikings/2009/03/vikings_match_offer_sheet_to_t.html

Awesome!!!

Splat
03-27-2009, 01:36 PM
Jeff George Says That If He Was In Minnesota, He’d Have A Ring (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/27/jeff-george-says-that-if-he-was-in-minnesota-hed-have-a-ring/)

General Zod
03-27-2009, 01:39 PM
I myself dont like any WRs for us in the 1st round(excluding Crabtree and Maclin of course, who will be long gone.), value-wise anyways.

Im not big on Percey Harvin, if he is there with our 2nd rounder, then yes. I doubt he will be.
Darrius Heyward-Bey reminds me way to much of Troy Williamson, no thanks...next!
Hakeem Nicks and Kenny Britt im not big on either, I even think our 2nd pick for them might be a reach.

Id rather us wait for the 3rd round, see if Brian Robiskie, Derrick Williams or Juaquin Iglesias is still there.

hagy34
03-27-2009, 01:53 PM
I would take Nicks or Britt with our 2nd in a heartbeat. But no chance they fall that far. I'm not big on Derrick Williams...he seems to be a speed guy without the speed.

Crazy_Chris
03-27-2009, 04:15 PM
I myself dont like any WRs for us in the 1st round(excluding Crabtree and Maclin of course, who will be long gone.), value-wise anyways.

Im not big on Percey Harvin, if he is there with our 2nd rounder, then yes. I doubt he will be.
Darrius Heyward-Bey reminds me way to much of Troy Williamson, no thanks...next!
Hakeem Nicks and Kenny Britt im not big on either, I even think our 2nd pick for them might be a reach.

Id rather us wait for the 3rd round, see if Brian Robiskie, Derrick Williams or Juaquin Iglesias is still there.

I agree with you 100% here, outside of Maclin and Crabtree there is no WR I would want to take in RD1. I would like for them to focus on getting a OT or a CB.

russie
03-27-2009, 05:37 PM
We matched Cincys offer to Tahi

http://blogs.twincities.com/Vikings/2009/03/vikings_match_offer_sheet_to_t.html

more proof they dont care about winning

The_Dude
03-27-2009, 05:44 PM
But, i'm sure that Tahi is a "Chilly-guy".

How could we possibly lose with a team-full of Chilly's guys?

General Zod
03-27-2009, 06:33 PM
Why did we release Thomas Tapeh? The guy could block, and he also has good hands. Then one day he was gone.

Dr. Gonzo
03-27-2009, 06:34 PM
Why did we release Thomas Tapeh? The guy could block, and he also has good hands. Then one day he was gone.

The Fuhrer liked Tahi more for some unknown reason.

hagy34
03-27-2009, 06:47 PM
Why did we release Thomas Tapeh? The guy could block, and he also has good hands. Then one day he was gone.

Thomas Tapeh was released because he didn't tell the team about an offseason knee surgery prior to our signing him. He injured that knee early in the season.

General Zod
03-27-2009, 07:16 PM
Tahi is an average blocking back at best.

russie
03-31-2009, 05:51 AM
yet another no impact move:

Vikings | Grigsby re-signs
Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:04:32 -0700

Scout.com reports the Minnesota Vikings have re-signed free-agent DE Otis Grigsby. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

vikes_28
03-31-2009, 09:04 AM
SWEET!!!!!

hagy34
03-31-2009, 01:24 PM
It's interesting that we haven't seen anything with the Vikings pursuing THolt. He would seem like a good fit here. I wonder what is making us stay away??

The Dynasty
03-31-2009, 01:57 PM
It's interesting that we haven't seen anything with the Vikings pursuing THolt. He would seem like a good fit here. I wonder what is making us stay away??

I really dont know why but Im not upset that we arent. I feel we could get a WR out of the draft that could have more production for us rather than Holt. Also he would be the oldest player on our offense with the age of 32, so maybe we trying to keep young.

Crazy_Chris
03-31-2009, 02:12 PM
Well the fact that Torry Holt hasn't really been aggresivly pursued by any team yet seems to suggest the entire league views him as having lost a step. I still wouldn't mind the Vikings picking him up though to a 1 year contract similar to what bills gave owens but for a bit less money.

The_Dude
03-31-2009, 02:46 PM
Agreed....

russie
03-31-2009, 04:02 PM
Vikings | Udeze not expected to be at start of offseason program
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:23:12 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings DE Kenechi Udeze is not expected to be present at the start of the team's offseason program Monday, April 6, because he is trying to earn his college degree.


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Vikings | Could start extension talks with Peterson
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:19:17 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings could begin contact extension talks with RB Adrian Peterson in the coming months. Peterson has three years remaining on his contract.


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Vikings | Could start extension talks with Taylor
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:17:32 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings could begin contact extension talks with RB Chester Taylor in the coming months. Taylor has one year remaining on his contract.


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Vikings | Could start extension talks with Greenway
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:17:12 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings could begin contact extension talks with LB Chad Greenway in the coming months. Greenway has two years remaining on his contract.


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Vikings | Iglesias to visit
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:37:42 -0700

Tim Yotter, of VikingUpdate.com, reports Oklahoma WR Juaquin Iglesias is scheduled to meet with the Minnesota Vikings April 8.

hagy34
03-31-2009, 04:09 PM
Would be ecstatic if we could extend those three.

Crazy_Chris
03-31-2009, 04:56 PM
The Vikings may have not been very active in the Free Agent market this year. But if they can Sign Adrian Peterson, Chad Greenway, and Chester Taylor to extension that would be great.

The_Dude
03-31-2009, 06:02 PM
Agreed....

General Zod
03-31-2009, 11:10 PM
Vikings | Udeze not expected to be at start of offseason program
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:23:12 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings DE Kenechi Udeze is not expected to be present at the start of the team's offseason program Monday, April 6, because he is trying to earn his college degree.


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Vikings | Could start extension talks with Peterson
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:19:17 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings could begin contact extension talks with RB Adrian Peterson in the coming months. Peterson has three years remaining on his contract.


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Vikings | Could start extension talks with Taylor
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:17:32 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings could begin contact extension talks with RB Chester Taylor in the coming months. Taylor has one year remaining on his contract.


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Vikings | Could start extension talks with Greenway
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:17:12 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings could begin contact extension talks with LB Chad Greenway in the coming months. Greenway has two years remaining on his contract.


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Vikings | Iglesias to visit
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:37:42 -0700

Tim Yotter, of VikingUpdate.com, reports Oklahoma WR Juaquin Iglesias is scheduled to meet with the Minnesota Vikings April 8.



This would make me **** kittens with happiness. Also I like Iglesias, wouldnt mind grabbing him with our 3rd if he was there.

russie
04-02-2009, 05:41 PM
GOD DAMMIT!!!


this off season the bears have signed not one, but two tackles to try to fill the voids, and have traded for one of the better, younger qbs in the league, mean while the only thing the vikes have done is waste a pick trading for sagefuckingrosenfail.



emo crybaby ***** or not, cutler is now the best qb in the division, the bears have a decent(but aging) defense, a solid runningback, and a threat to take the ball to the house on every kickoff. when the offseason started, the vikes were ahead of the other teams in the north; with their lack of effort and ambition, they are starting to fall to the wayside.

the vikes were a solid qb away from doing big things. a young, solid, probowl qb becomes available, and they sit on their ******* asses.

pete_norm
04-02-2009, 06:35 PM
the vikes were a solid qb away from doing big things. a young, solid, probowl qb becomes available, and they sit on their ******* asses.



You may be right but here are the terms of the deal:
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Broncos get Orton, two first-rounders, and a third-rounder, and the Bears get Cutler and a fifth-rounder. Per the Bears’ official announcement.
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That's a whole lot to pay for a QB, even a good one. If he doesn't pan out, the Bears are in deep trouble. I'm not sure i would have wanted the Vikings to pay this much for Cutler.

The Dynasty
04-02-2009, 06:41 PM
You may be right but here are the terms of the deal:
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Broncos get Orton, two first-rounders, and a third-rounder, and the Bears get Cutler and a fifth-rounder. Per the Bears’ official announcement.
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That's a whole lot to pay for a QB, even a good one. If he doesn't pan out, the Bears are in deep trouble. I'm not sure i would have wanted the Vikings to pay this much for Cutler.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. The bears pay a lot and some say he is Proven but I feel like he is not. 17-20 as a Starter with a good offense. Now he is going to a team with a above average if that offense and Aging but good defense. I think he is going to help the bears for sure but talking super bowl with the bears is outrageous.

Im upset that we dont have a stable Franchise QB but Im not upset that we passed on cutler after seeing the King Ransom that they gave up for him.

russie
04-02-2009, 06:48 PM
so you guys are comfortable with the pieces of **** we have at qb now? i'm not necessarily pissed we didnt go after cutler, just that we have done nothing to improve, while the notoriusly cheap chicago bears have at least been trying to fill their voids, let alone swinging for the fences with the trade for cutler.


plus we paid a kings ransom for jared allen, who at the time had two dui's on his record




plus i never said the bears were superbowl bound

The Dynasty
04-02-2009, 07:00 PM
so you guys are comfortable with the pieces of **** we have at qb now? i'm not necessarily pissed we didnt go after cutler, just that we have done nothing to improve, while the notoriusly cheap chicago bears have at least been trying to fill their voids, let alone swinging for the fences with the trade for cutler.

plus we paid a kings ransom for jared allen, who at the time had two dui's on his record

plus i never said the bears were superbowl bound

First off, No Im not happy with the movements with the Vikings but I have no control over it. Who would be happy with Sage and Tarvaris? Not many people and yes Im a little sick how the Vikings Front Office has handled. All we can do is hope that the players we have can get the job done and also hope that we do something in the draft. Plus next year there will be Jason Campbell and Chad Pennington out on the market, that could get the job done a lot better and for a cheaper price than cutler.

Also yes we played a lot for Jared Allen and that is probably the reason why we didnt go after Cutler because Speilman likes his draft picks.

I know you personally didnt say the bears were superbowl bound, that was about a person on ESPN said. It was not directed towards you.

Whats the worst that can happen? We have an Average season and fire childress?

hagy34
04-02-2009, 07:03 PM
so you guys are comfortable with the pieces of **** we have at qb now? i'm not necessarily pissed we didnt go after cutler, just that we have done nothing to improve, while the notoriusly cheap chicago bears have at least been trying to fill their voids, let alone swinging for the fences with the trade for cutler.


plus we paid a kings ransom for jared allen, who at the time had two dui's on his record

plus i never said the bears were superbowl bound

Not sure why you'd be upset with the Allen deal. I think that worked out very well for us. Not to mention we haven't done much during free agency but we still have picks in this draft. The Bears now have a QB sure, but no WR's, an aging defense and Oline AND no first round picks until 2011.

In the end we made the right move. We couldn't afford to go without first round picks in '08, '09 and '10. Sage isn't Cutler but we haven't seen what he can do. We should improve the Oline and maybe add another WR early in this draft. Our defense gets EJ back so all in all I really like where we sit. I'd rather have Cutler in Chicago than Detroit and have to watch him throw to Calvin for the next 10 years.

russie
04-02-2009, 07:17 PM
Whats the worst that can happen? We have an Average season and fire childress?


yes, that is certainly one of the worst things that can happen. fat pat, winfield, and hutch aint getting any younger. childress gone is good though


Not sure why you'd be upset with the Allen deal.


i'm not, certainly dont take that away from it. i love allen on this team. i'm just pointing out that we paid alot for an even bigger risk

The Dynasty
04-02-2009, 07:20 PM
yes, that is certainly one of the worst things that can happen. fat pat, winfield, and hutch aint getting any younger. childress gone is good though

I dont think we have to worry about Winfield or Hutch just yet. The age that players retire seem to be increasing and they are only going to be 32 this season. So they have atleast 4-5 years left. Doesnt seem like a lot but it is. That is certainly enough time to take this team and build it into a Superbowl Contender seeing how its half way there if not more.

Crazy_Chris
04-03-2009, 03:02 PM
Not sure why you'd be upset with the Allen deal. I think that worked out very well for us. Not to mention we haven't done much during free agency but we still have picks in this draft. The Bears now have a QB sure, but no WR's, an aging defense and Oline AND no first round picks until 2011.

In the end we made the right move. We couldn't afford to go without first round picks in '08, '09 and '10. Sage isn't Cutler but we haven't seen what he can do. We should improve the Oline and maybe add another WR early in this draft. Our defense gets EJ back so all in all I really like where we sit. I'd rather have Cutler in Chicago than Detroit and have to watch him throw to Calvin for the next 10 years.

I wouldn't say they have no WR's, Devin Hester isn't a amazing WR but he is turning out to be a good WR. They also have a guy I loved from last years draft class in Earl Bennet. He didn't do anything last year but most rookie WR's don't do anything. Now since the guy is going to be re-united with the Jay Cutler I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a good year. Than they also have good TE's for cutler to utilize, and Forte is a good pass catcher as well. So while the WR corp may not be amazing Cutler does have a decent amount of weapons to utilize. The Bears are one scary team if their defense can return to form.

hagy34
04-04-2009, 12:22 AM
I wouldn't say they have no WR's, Devin Hester isn't a amazing WR but he is turning out to be a good WR. They also have a guy I loved from last years draft class in Earl Bennet. He didn't do anything last year but most rookie WR's don't do anything. Now since the guy is going to be re-united with the Jay Cutler I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a good year. Than they also have good TE's for cutler to utilize, and Forte is a good pass catcher as well. So while the WR corp may not be amazing Cutler does have a decent amount of weapons to utilize. The Bears are one scary team if their defense can return to form.

The problem with this logic is that having their defense is aging. How is it going to return to form without any changes being made? They have huge holes in the secondary, they struggled terribly as a unit last year. The heart and sole of the defense Brian Urlacher is again quickly and was a liability last season. I will also stand by my assessment of their lack of playmakers at the WR position. Hester is speed demon trying to play WR purely because of their lack of options. Bennett showed nothing as a rookie and they really have no one else at that position. The TE's are fine and Forte is very good as well but the playmakers that surround Cutler are half of what he had in Denver. Finally while their QB position is now secure, that wasn't their problem last year. Orton was actually a good player for them last season. The facts remain that they cannot stop the run and no longer intimidate on defense like they used to.

I'm not happy that Cutler is in Chicago but I don't think they are the frontrunners in this division. Simply put the Vikings have the best defense in the division, the best player in the division and the best interior players in the division. Our QB play will decide if we go deep into the playoffs but we should be expected to win this division.

Dr. Gonzo
04-04-2009, 01:07 AM
I had already planned to be at the Bears/Vikings game in Chicago. Now that Cutler is there I am ever more excited. It will be the first Vikings game I will be attending and it should be a great one.

bearsfan_51
04-04-2009, 01:37 AM
Thats exactly what I was thinking. The bears pay a lot and some say he is Proven but I feel like he is not. 17-20 as a Starter with a good offense. Now he is going to a team with a above average if that offense and Aging but good defense. I think he is going to help the bears for sure but talking super bowl with the bears is outrageous.

Im upset that we dont have a stable Franchise QB but Im not upset that we passed on cutler after seeing the King Ransom that they gave up for him.
That offense was good because of Cutler. You think Eddie Royal was doing **** for him?

DHVF
04-04-2009, 01:58 AM
That offense was good because of Cutler. You think Eddie Royal was doing **** for him?
Is that a trick question? Cuz Eddie Royal was able to do quite a bit of **** last year and I highly doubt one could completely attribute the **** he was able to do, to Cutler.

russie
04-04-2009, 11:14 PM
Vikings | Peterson expected to take part in offseason program
Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:25:54 -0700

Sean Jensen, of The Pioneer Press, reports Minnesota Vikings RB Adrian Peterson is expected to be in attendance at the start of the team's offseason program Monday, April 6.


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Vikings | Negotiations with Winfield continue
Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:25:05 -0700

Sean Jensen, of The Pioneer Press, reports Minnesota Vikings CB Antoine Winfield's agent, Ashanti Webb, said talks with the team on a contract extension are moving along. However, Webb wasn't sure if Winfield would join the Vikings for the start of their offseason program Monday, April 6. Webb said things aren't where he would like them to be in the negotiations and they still have a lot of ground to cover to accomplish the extension. Webb was not clear if Winfield's potential absence Monday would be due to negotiations or that he has been on vacation with his family.


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hagy34
04-05-2009, 11:55 AM
Peterson better show up and we better be working hard to get a Winfield deal done. Spielman was KFAN a couple weeks ago and he was talking about the Vikings working on extending a number of guys and that he hoped to have it done before training camp, I'm sure Winfield was one of them.

hagy34
04-05-2009, 07:22 PM
Just saw on rotoworld that Chester is going to skip workouts and do things on his own in Houston. Interesting...what his plans will be for next year. We certainly should be trying to lock him up

The_Dude
04-08-2009, 10:19 PM
Peterson, Childress Disagree Over Weight Gain Plan
Posted by Mike Florio on April 8, 2009, 10:49 p.m. EDT
Vikings running back Adrian Peterson hopes to gain weight during the offseason; his goal is to bulk up to 230 pounds.

Coach Brad Childress doesn’t seem to be all that enthused about the plan.

“Well, you know what? 230 is awful big,” Childress said Wednesday, according to the Associated Press. “From 17 to 30, just put a 10-pound sack of potatoes on your back and think of how that works for you. . . .

“I think naturally he’ll add good weight as he goes through his career, but I think just adding weight to say, ‘I’m going to get 10 pounds heavier,’ probably doesn’t have a lot of merit to it,” Childress added.

“I’m thinking he’s probably not going to get to 230, nor does he want to be at 230, and I would have no trouble telling him that.”

But Peterson has been talking about it for a while. Most recently, he had this to say: “Before the season starts, I look forward to having my weight up so I’ll be able to see how it is when I run and cut and do things like that.”

So what if he does it and he decides he doesn’t like how it feels?

We’ve got a feeling that Adrian hasn’t thought his plan through to that specific point.




Now, i do not want to agree with the Little General, but the thought of adding weight to AD's frame does concern me a little bit. Will his body be able to handle this increase? Would it increase the probability of injury?

FuzzyGopher
04-08-2009, 11:26 PM
Peterson, Childress Disagree Over Weight Gain

Now, i do not want to agree with the Little General, but the thought of adding weight to AD's frame does concern me a little bit. Will his body be able to handle this increase? Would it increase the probability of injury?

I don't think it's that big of a deal. Players gain weight throughout their careers, even Randy Moss added some mass one offseason and it didn't affect his play. And if he feels like he lost some speed or agility he can easily cut down during training camp before the first game of the season.

russie
04-09-2009, 03:54 PM
Kevin Williams Plans To Play, Despite StarCaps Issue
Posted by Mike Florio on April 9, 2009, 10:13 a.m.
The attack of Vikings defensive tackles Kevin and Pat Williams on their four-game suspensions will culminate in a June 15 trial.

Though the players (the Williamses and three Saints) were able to block implementation of the suspension pending the outcome of the litigation, the decision to allow them to continue to play last season doesn’t mean that they’ll avoid the suspensions entirely.

Still, Kevin Williams is preparing as if he’ll be playing the first four games of the season.

“They set the date, whatever comes out of that comes out of it,” Kevin Williams told Rick Alonzo of the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “But our mind frame is we’ll be ready when the season kicks off.”

But Williams stopped short of expressing optimism that the suspensions will be overturned.

“I just hope the right thing is done,” he said. “That’s all we can do, and we’ll take it from there.”

The case focuses on evidence that the league knew an over-the-counter supplement called “StarCaps” was spiked with Bumetanide, a prescription drug that also is a banned substance, and that the league failed to disclose this information to the players.

The lawsuit challenges the league’s procedure for resolving appeals to discipline imposed against players who test positive for banned substances, even though the union agreed to the system that currently is in place.

The written decision blocking implementation of the suspensions pending the outcome of the lawsuit contained language suggesting that the players face a high burden in order to ultimately prevail. If the lawsuit fails, the suspensions likely would be enforced at the start of the 2009 season — unless the suspensions are blocked pending appeal of the coming decision to a higher court.

Kid_Ego
04-09-2009, 04:33 PM
Personally I see the cutler deal as a good deal only if a win win if the bears end up with both shanahan and cutler next year which something tells me they will.
Cutler is far from a finished product and well lets face it Orton and grossman haven exactly blossomed under lovie.

But 2 first rounds and a third round? No way he hasnt got a winning record he hasnt won a play off game, an dhe had better receivers in denver. Id take marshall any day over hester at the wide out position, In fact I feel the bears were kinda of stupid fro cutting hesters touches down on KR and PR. Why would you take your best weapon out of the game.

Denver did a great job of setting their selves up two extra draft picks in the top 3 rounds to acquire defense, An under appreciated qb who is more then adequate, and most likely one of the two teams will end up with a top 15 pick to select a qb next year in what appears to be an equivalent at qb what last year was at DB. Now this all goes to hell in a hand basket if they get stupid and package their two picks to move up.
If chicago does get shanahan then viking nation should be worried.
As far as signing players Winfield Peterson and greenway should be resigned Taylor seems like a luxury more then a necessity Im not a huge Taylor fan as two runningbacks fumbling too much seems a little excessive.
Personally I would like to see the vikes draft go something like this.

1st Oher
2nd Unger
3rd Pat White
5th TE
6th CB
7th QB preferablly kid from Ball state
7th Safety
2nd

The_Dude
04-09-2009, 08:25 PM
Welcome back Kid... haven't seen you on here for a while.

hagy34
04-09-2009, 10:08 PM
So I've seen in a couple places that the Bills are shopping Roscoe Parrish. What do you guys think about him? I have no idea what it would take to get him but hes a proven playmaker on special teams and could be a good option in the slot.

The Dynasty
04-09-2009, 10:17 PM
So I've seen in a couple places that the Bills are shopping Roscoe Parrish. What do you guys think about him? I have no idea what it would take to get him but hes a proven playmaker on special teams and could be a good option in the slot.

I think he would be an excellent addition. He would give us the KR/PR we would need and very good receiver as well. He probably could take Bobby Wade's spot. I know having my whole family and friends being bills fan and that he is just loved around here so I doubt they actually trade him.

I saw the article on pft.com and I took it as that they were trying to see what they could get for him and thats pretty much it.

The_Dude
04-10-2009, 08:57 AM
I would also be happy to get Roscoe for a mid - late round pick. He would fill a pretty big need.

Kid_Ego
04-10-2009, 11:33 AM
Honestly being from Iowa Im not an iowa state fan but I have seen sage play he isnt much diffrent then brad johnson. That is about what we can expect so in my opinion we kinda of have daunte/johnson back. If sage isnt asked to win and just asked to manage he will be an upgrade from gus i gave my self a concussion ferrotte

Kid_Ego
04-10-2009, 11:34 AM
and thanx for the welcome back I work alot more then I used too

The Dynasty
04-13-2009, 06:13 PM
Well just on NFLN: Total Access that the vikings have the 2nd easiest scheldue behind the bears from last years records. I know we play NFC West and AFC North and then Giants and Panthers and the rest of the divison.

I hope to get to one vikings game this upcoming season either in Cleveland or Pittsburgh since they only 3-4 hours away.

hagy34
04-13-2009, 09:19 PM
The games Detroit(x2), Cleveland, Cincy, St.Louis, Seattle and San Fran should all be wins. We should improve on our 10-6 record as long as we get decent QB play.

hagy34
04-14-2009, 12:47 PM
So I saw something with Brady Quinn being looked at by the niners. Crap.

The Dynasty
04-14-2009, 12:49 PM
So I saw something with Brady Quinn being looked at by the niners. Crap.

I would be surprised if the Niners would give pick #10 for Brady Quinn. If they got him I would expect a next years 1st round pick but I cant see SF in the running. I expect the teams to have chances for Quinn are the Vikings, Lions, and Jets.

marshallb
04-14-2009, 12:50 PM
So I saw something with Brady Quinn being looked at by the niners. Crap.

I'm pretty sure the niners wouldn't give up their first round pick, so it'd likely be their 2nd round pick and maybe a late round pick, where as we can give up #22 for Quinn.

marshallb
04-14-2009, 12:52 PM
I would be surprised if the Niners would give pick #10 for Brady Quinn. If they got him I would expect a next years 1st round pick but I cant see SF in the running. I expect the teams to have chances for Quinn are the Vikings, Lions, and Jets.

I'd throw the Bucs in there too.

hagy34
04-14-2009, 01:05 PM
I would be surprised if the Niners would give pick #10 for Brady Quinn. If they got him I would expect a next years 1st round pick but I cant see SF in the running. I expect the teams to have chances for Quinn are the Vikings, Lions, and Jets.

With that being said. Let's call Cleveland and give them the #22 right now please. Sage as the backup. TJack can be #3. Draft Oline at 54 and Macho in the 3rd. I'm happy. Childress is happy. Everybody is happy. Hell toss Tjack out there in the wildcat, then Childress can be even happier. That is all. :)

The Dynasty
04-14-2009, 01:38 PM
I'd throw the Bucs in there too.

I left the Bucs out for the recent signing of Byron Leftwich. They already have 4 QB's on their roster so I would see them as a long shot to get Quinn.

Crazy_Chris
04-14-2009, 03:33 PM
I don't see the 49er's trading the 10th overall pick for Brady Quinn. If they want him I think they would have to package their 2nd this year along with their 1st round pick next year which still seems like a bit much to give up for quinn. So I don't think they are a threat to the Vikings getting Brady Quinn.

hagy34
04-14-2009, 04:11 PM
Well knowing what we know about our Quarterback situation, I'm going to assume that we stay put and do nothing. AGAIN.

Kid_Ego
04-14-2009, 04:57 PM
Take a look at my Mock

The Dynasty
04-14-2009, 06:24 PM
2009 Vikings Regular Season Schedule:

Week 1: Sept. 13 at Cleveland, noon, Fox
Week 2: Sept. 20 at Detroit, noon, Fox
Week 3: Sept. 27 vs. San Francisco, noon, Fox
Week 4: Oct. 5 vs. Green Bay (Monday Night), 7:20 p.m., ESPN
Week 5: Oct. 11 at St. Louis, noon, Fox
Week 6: Oct. 18 vs. Baltimore, noon, CBS
Week 7: Oct. 25 at Pittsburgh, noon, Fox
Week 8: Nov. 1 at Green Bay, noon, Fox
Week 9: BYE
Week 10: Nov. 15 vs. Detroit, noon, Fox
Week 11: Nov. 22 vs. Seattle, noon, Fox
Week 12: Nov. 29 vs. Chicago, noon, Fox
Week 13: Dec. 6 at Arizona, 3:15 p.m., Fox
Week 14: Dec. 13 vs. Cincinnati, noon, CBS
Week 15: Dec. 20 at Carolina, 7:20 p.m. NBC
Week 16: Dec. 28 at Chicago (Monday Night) 7:20 p.m, ESPN
Week 17: Jan. 3 vs. New York Giants, noon, Fox

marshallb
04-14-2009, 06:28 PM
2009 Vikings Regular Season Schedule:

Week 1: Sept. 13 at Cleveland, noon, Fox
Week 2: Sept. 20 at Detroit, noon, Fox
Week 3: Sept. 27 vs. San Francisco, noon, Fox
Week 4: Oct. 5 vs. Green Bay (Monday Night), 7:20 p.m., ESPN
Week 5: Oct. 11 at St. Louis, noon, Fox
Week 6: Oct. 18 vs. Baltimore, noon, CBS
Week 7: Oct. 25 at Pittsburgh, noon, Fox
Week 8: Nov. 1 at Green Bay, noon, Fox
Week 9: BYE
Week 10: Nov. 15 vs. Detroit, noon, Fox
Week 11: Nov. 22 vs. Seattle, noon, Fox
Week 12: Nov. 29 vs. Chicago, noon, Fox
Week 13: Dec. 6 at Arizona, 3:15 p.m., Fox
Week 14: Dec. 13 vs. Cincinnati, noon, CBS
Week 15: Dec. 20 at Carolina, 7:20 p.m. NBC
Week 16: Dec. 28 at Chicago (Monday Night) 7:20 p.m, ESPN
Week 17: Jan. 3 vs. New York Giants, noon, Fox

I was just going to post that, but what do you guys think of it? It looks rather favorable to me. Really only 1 cold weather game(Chicago Dec. 28). 3 winnable home games after the bye. Quite an easy start to get their confidence up.

marshallb
04-14-2009, 06:38 PM
Extremely early prediction: I'm going to say 6-2 before the bye, 5-3 after for a total of 11-5. Depends on if the Giants have anything to play for that last week, if not, then I'd go with 6-2 after.

hagy34
04-14-2009, 06:40 PM
We should win our first 5. No question. The toughest game is Green Bay at home.

marshallb
04-14-2009, 06:51 PM
We should win our first 5. No question. The toughest game is Green Bay at home.

Yea, and although we haven't been good against Green Bay lately, they seem to be rebuilding especially their defense. Unless Childress screws something up big time, I think we should start out 5-0.

BlueBandit24
04-14-2009, 07:34 PM
You can't ask for a better start to the season than that. We should be favored in the first 5 games. It gets a bit tougher in the middle, but overall this looks like a very easy schedule on paper. It would be extremely dissapointing if they missed the playoffs with that slate of games.

Crazy_Chris
04-16-2009, 12:27 AM
That 3 game stretch to end the season is going to be brutal.

hagy34
04-16-2009, 01:15 AM
That 3 game stretch to end the season is going to be brutal.

It is brutal but on the bright side if there is a good team in the NFC that we are built to beat it is Carolina. We handled them at home last year, it should be a good one this year. As for the stretch as a whole, I'd rather have an easy start and a rough finish. I mean look at it this way, last year if we play the Giants in week 1 we get beat. Since we play them week 17 they are resting guys. Lets beat up on the bad teams early and not have to worry about a playoff spot come the last week of the season.

The_Dude
04-16-2009, 11:18 AM
I'm excited that i get to go to the Packers game (on Mon night, to boot) & at least one more game.... haven't decided yet.

Row 5 on the 45 right behind the visitor's bench.... Rodgers will be able to hear every insult!!!! ;)

hagy34
04-16-2009, 12:51 PM
I'm excited that i get to go to the Packers game (on Mon night, to boot) & at least one more game.... haven't decided yet.

Row 5 on the 45 right behind the visitor's bench.... Rodgers will be able to hear every insult!!!! ;)

Awesome man. Nothing better than a Vikings game at the dome.

The_Dude
04-18-2009, 09:22 AM
Awesome man. Nothing better than a Vikings game at the dome.

The wife and I will also be getting the tickets to the Giants game, too.

Monday night games are the best.

Vikings4ever
04-22-2009, 08:11 PM
Huge news!!!

AD has...






declined the Madden cover!

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/scratch-peterson-from-the-madden-curse-watch-list/

hagy34
04-22-2009, 08:20 PM
Huge news!!!

AD has...






declined the Madden cover!

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/scratch-peterson-from-the-madden-curse-watch-list/

That is great news. I just saw that story...

The_Dude
04-22-2009, 08:22 PM
Interesting that he chose to decline the offer rather than someone at EA choosing to not have him.

Whatever... "curse schmurse"... i could care less either way.

vikes_28
04-22-2009, 09:19 PM
Interesting that he chose to decline the offer rather than someone at EA choosing to not have him.

Whatever... "curse schmurse"... i could care less either way.

You could care less either way...then Adrian breaks his leg the first game of the pre-season.

Dr. Gonzo
04-22-2009, 09:33 PM
You could care less either way...then Adrian breaks his leg the first game of the pre-season.

If this happens I will be blaming you :(

marshallb
04-23-2009, 08:36 AM
If this happens I will be blaming you :(

Make that two of us.

vikes_28
04-23-2009, 08:41 AM
If this happens I will be blaming you :(

Make that two of us.

I'm not saying that he will...

I'm just saying that Dude doesn't care if AD was on the Madden cover. If he was, then he would probably break his leg the first game of the pre-season.

The_Dude
04-23-2009, 10:40 AM
That is only because i don't believe in "curses".

If AD breaks his leg, it would have nothing to do with being on the cover or not.

That's all i am saying.

p.s. ~If he does break his leg, then i am blaming you for cursing him by talking about him breaking his leg. ;)

General Zod
04-23-2009, 07:41 PM
So the rumors are flying around that Washington is going to make a move for Sanchez and if so Jason Campbell will demand a trade.

Since Campbell would be an upgrade for us vs. Jackson and Rosenfel, trade wise, what should we give up for Campbell? Or do we want him at all?

Discuss. :-)

The Dynasty
04-23-2009, 07:52 PM
So the rumors are flying around that Washington is going to make a move for Sanchez and if so Jason Campbell will demand a trade.

Since Campbell would be an upgrade for us vs. Jackson and Rosenfel, trade wise, what should we give up for Campbell? Or do we want him at all?

Discuss. :-)

Give up the 2nd this year and a 3rd or 4th next year. The kid is young and has shown he can be a good QB in this league. We would be able to give him a Rushing game a very good Defense and hopefully a decent Pass game.

hagy34
04-23-2009, 07:53 PM
Since Campbell would be an upgrade for us vs. Jackson and Rosenfel, trade wise, what should we give up for Campbell? Or do we want him at all?

Discuss. :-)

The problem isn't would I want him, it's what would I give up? I mean definitely not a 1st round pick. I just don't think he has shown enough in the chances he's had. I would give up a 2nd round pick in next years draft or something though.

marshallb
04-23-2009, 08:01 PM
I probably wouldn't be willing to give up enough to get this done. I like Campbell, but I think I'd rather have the picks. If I were to do anything, I'd probably give up a 2nd next year and a 5th this year, but I wouldn't be too sure about doing that.
That, and I don't think anything would happen on this anyways. If we aren't willing to go after Cutler and Quinn, then why would go after Campbell.

hagy34
04-23-2009, 08:20 PM
I probably wouldn't be willing to give up enough to get this done. I like Campbell, but I think I'd rather have the picks. If I were to do anything, I'd probably give up a 2nd next year and a 5th this year, but I wouldn't be too sure about doing that.
That, and I don't think anything would happen on this anyways. If we aren't willing to go after Cutler and Quinn, then why would go after Campbell.

I've got a great answer for you. Because we like to go after QB's who are average at best.....come to think of it, Campbell might be too talented for this staff to go after. I mean lets trade up for Tjack and give up a 4th for Sage. But forget giving up some high picks for Quinn or Cutty.

Crazy_Chris
04-24-2009, 11:13 PM
I don't know about Jason Campbell he had a pretty good start but didn't finish very well. He isn't that good of a fit for the west coast offense either. I think the Vikings would be better off taking a pass on him.

BlueBandit24
04-27-2009, 01:02 PM
I don't know about Jason Campbell he had a pretty good start but didn't finish very well. He isn't that good of a fit for the west coast offense either. I think the Vikings would be better off taking a pass on him.

I'd like to see what he could if he different have a different OC and playbook every year. Even back to his Auburn days he's been forced to learn a new offense most years, I think it is something ridiculous like 7 of the past 8. It is irrelevant now since the Skins are going to need him but I would welcome Campbell on the Vikes.

hagy34
04-27-2009, 11:51 PM
anyone else excited to see Harvin and Peterson on offense? God, now that the draft is gone I can't wait for opening day!!!

The Dynasty
04-27-2009, 11:57 PM
anyone else excited to see Harvin and Peterson on offense? God, now that the draft is gone I can't wait for opening day!!!

Im more excited on seeing Childress go outside the box and trying to use Harvin. Like I said in another forum..Harvin is going to have to prove to me that he was worth the 22nd pick and all the hype that he has.

Crazy_Chris
04-28-2009, 12:04 AM
anyone else excited to see Harvin and Peterson on offense? God, now that the draft is gone I can't wait for opening day!!!

Well Harvin was definatly an electric play in college but don't get your hopes up too high. After all he is a WR and that position has one of the toughest transition's from college to the pro game. Rarely do you see a rookie WR make a huge impact right away. The Vikings fanatic in me wants to think he is going to come in light the place on fire but the realistic side says it's not happening. Chances are if he makes an impact right away it will be from returning kicks.

marshallb
04-28-2009, 08:51 AM
I am very excited to see the offense. It very well could be one of the more explosive in the NFL if we could get some decent QB play. We now have 3 of the top big play threats in the NFL.

pete_norm
04-29-2009, 12:30 PM
Please god noooooo! Not Favre rumor mania again...

hagy34
04-29-2009, 12:34 PM
Please god noooooo! Not Favre rumor mania again...

Yup....here we go.

The Dynasty
04-29-2009, 01:01 PM
If anyone was wondering or cared. Sage Rosenfels number will be No. 2. Im happy because I have a Sidney Rice jersey and the number is 18, the number sage wanted.

Also Please No Favre to Minnesota.

hagy34
04-29-2009, 01:06 PM
Favre in Minnesota would just be hilarious. Green Bay fans would piss and moan all year long.

princefielder28
04-29-2009, 01:09 PM
Favre in Minnesota would just be hilarious. Green Bay fans would piss and moan all year long.

Why??? If Brett decides to come back and play for Minnesota, as a Packers fan, I would have no problems with that. Regardless of how I felt about the decision when it was made to go with Aaron Rodgers, Brett was no longer the QB and he, as a free agent, should be able to play anywhere he feels he can still play.

hagy34
04-29-2009, 01:13 PM
Why??? If Brett decides to come back and play for Minnesota, as a Packers fan, I would have no problems with that. Regardless of how I felt about the decision when it was made to go with Aaron Rodgers, Brett was no longer the QB and he, as a free agent, should be able to play anywhere he feels he can still play.

I'm not saying that he's better than Rodgers. I'm saying that if we were to win the division and Packer fans had to watch Favre run around the field after watching Peterson scamper for 50 yard TDs that Packer fans would be even more depressed than that 5-11 record last year. No Packer fan could convince me that if the Vikes won the division with Favre that they wouldn't be bitter.

the_legend_killer
04-29-2009, 01:31 PM
I think if it would've happened last year more people may be slighted, but now the Packers know what they have at QB and it's good, so they may feel slighted, but a lot of the hostility, and thus overall fun, is gone :(. As I felt last year, no thank you to Favre.

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2009, 02:34 PM
I really don't think Favre is goin to be coming back this time. But being able to chose where he can go might be tempting. I don't see how the situation in minnesota wouldn't be tempting for him to comeback. I don't really want favre, but at the same time i can't honestly sit here and say that Rosenfels or T-Jack is definatly a better option than a 40 year old Favre.

BGB
04-29-2009, 02:49 PM
I really don't think Favre is goin to be coming back this time. But being able to chose where he can go might be tempting. I don't see how the situation in minnesota wouldn't be tempting for him to comeback. I don't really want favre, but at the same time i can't honestly sit here and say that Rosenfels or T-Jack is definatly a better option than a 40 year old Favre.
Here comes the circus

marshallb
04-29-2009, 04:55 PM
God no...I don't want Farve. Especially after what he showed last year and he's even older now. Remember that he needed surgery at the end of last season and no one knows if he even had the surgery, and if he didn't, then returning isn't really even a viable option.

hagy34
04-29-2009, 05:20 PM
God no...I don't want Farve. Especially after what he showed last year and he's even older now. Remember that he needed surgery at the end of last season and no one knows if he even had the surgery, and if he didn't, then returning isn't really even a viable option.

I don't think he's coming back. But he didn't have surgery and to correct you the injury didn't need surgery. It was an option but with rest it could heal on its own. I know he didn't have the surgery and am not sure how long the recovery time was but it has been said a few times that it would heal on it own.

marshallb
04-29-2009, 10:34 PM
I don't think he's coming back. But he didn't have surgery and to correct you the injury didn't need surgery. It was an option but with rest it could heal on its own. I know he didn't have the surgery and am not sure how long the recovery time was but it has been said a few times that it would heal on it own.

OK... I knew it would heal on it's own, as would almost every injury. The thing with that is it not healing right, discomfort, healing time, etc. It's like a broken bone will heal on it's own, it just may not do so properly or as quickly. I don't think he will either, I just think it's odd that he pushed for his release.

djp
05-01-2009, 01:06 PM
If I saw Brett Favre work out and he could make most of the throws, I'd sign him if we think he can steal 2-3 games a year in the 4th quarter unlike any other quarterback that we have.

But if he's still struggling with that injury, I leave him where he was. People forget, despite his late season struggles, he was actually a hell of a quarterback the first half of the season. He couldn't make half the NFL throws the 2nd half of the season. He's sure as hell not going to be throwing as much if he was on the Vikings.

The_Dude
05-01-2009, 02:17 PM
Harvin Doesn’t Show Up For Minicamp
Posted by Mike Florio on May 1, 2009, 3:07 p.m. EDT
When the Vikings drafted receiver Percy Harvin six days ago, there was reason for the team to be concerned.

There might be even more reasons now.

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Harvin didn’t show for a rookie minicamp that opened today.

A Vikings spokesman told the Star Tribune that coach Brad Childress will address the situation after Friday’s practice.

Rookies technically aren’t required to attend offseason practices, because they’re not under contract. It’s rare, however, that rookies refuse to participate. Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman is the last first-rounder whom we can recall boycotting offseason workouts while unsigned.


I know that Florio likes to blow things out of proportion, but this could be an interesting start to his Vikings career if there is any truth/significance to this story....

The Dynasty
05-01-2009, 02:22 PM
Im not gonna take to much on this..its not mandatory for him to be there and plus if Florida is still in School he might be finishing up some classes. who knows.

DHVF
05-01-2009, 03:36 PM
Im not gonna take to much on this..its not mandatory for him to be there and plus if Florida is still in School he might be finishing up some classes. who knows.
I read somewhere that Florida has finals still today so that would be my guess.

DHVF
05-01-2009, 03:39 PM
http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12273051

Wow nevermind. Severe dehydration. How does that happen?

The Dynasty
05-01-2009, 03:40 PM
http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12273051

Wow nevermind. Severe dehydration. How does that happen?

I was just about to post this..I have no idea how you can have severe dehydration..hope he is alright.

Dr. Gonzo
05-01-2009, 03:52 PM
Maybe he just had really horrible cotton mouth that spread :)

marshallb
05-01-2009, 03:55 PM
I was just about to post about his dehydration. At least it isn't the swine flu.

FuzzyGopher
05-02-2009, 11:07 AM
He probably got a virus that caused a ton of vomiting and diarrhea. I know people who have had this happen and it is crippling and it doesn’t take long at all to get badly dehydrated. However go to any message board or blog and they will tell you it's because he was up drinking all night and smoking pot.

marshallb
05-02-2009, 12:07 PM
He probably got a virus that caused a ton of vomiting and diarrhea. I know people who have had this happen and it is crippling and it doesn’t take long at all to get badly dehydrated. However go to any message board or blog and they will tell you it's because he was up drinking all night and smoking pot.

Exactly. I read a report that he had a virus like the flu, but if you even read the NFL draft forum's thread on it, people keep saying exactly what you had said.

hagy34
05-02-2009, 12:34 PM
Exactly. I read a report that he had a virus like the flu, but if you even read the NFL draft forum's thread on it, people keep saying exactly what you had said.

That's because people are idiots and want Harvin to fail. It makes sense though, if my team passed on him, I'd want him to fail too.

vikes_28
05-04-2009, 10:58 PM
Guys I'm saddend to inform you that the rumors of the Vikings pursuing Favre are getting more and more obvious...

FMVFL (**** MY VIKING FAN LIFE)

hagy34
05-04-2009, 11:33 PM
I really don't care who our QB is. I just want to make a run in the playoffs. I'm not sold on Sage or TJack so if Favre can chuck it then I wouldn't mind seeing him back there.

Vikes99ej
05-05-2009, 04:04 PM
I would still take Favre over Sage and T-Jack in a heartbeat. His surrounding cast on the Vikings would have been five times better than the one he had on the Jets.

FuzzyGopher
05-05-2009, 07:29 PM
I would take him for this year, but we are still ****** for the future. I really wish we would get somebody with potential to be groomed and eventually take over,

princefielder28
05-05-2009, 07:58 PM
I would take him for this year, but we are still ****** for the future. I really wish we would get somebody with potential to be groomed and eventually take over,

Maybe John David Booty can be that guy. He looks like the game manager type, and with Peterson that would allow Minnesota to be a playoff contender year-in and year-out.

hagy34
05-05-2009, 08:29 PM
Maybe John David Booty can be that guy. He looks like the game manager type, and with Peterson that would allow Minnesota to be a playoff contender year-in and year-out.

Booty is not the answer in any shape or form. He is nothing more than a backup in the NFL and even then he probably isn't better than TJack or Sage.

As for Favre and people saying we still wouldn't have an answer for the future, the point is to win a championship. Favre is a significant upgrade over TJack and Sage. To this point there is nothing that says the QB of the future is on the roster so what would it matter if Favre played for us for a year. It's not like we mortgaging the future on Favre, we are giving nothing up for him.

Anyone who thinks that this team is going to have a worse record with Favre than with Sage or TJack needs to step back for a minute and think. Favre can win you a game. Sage and TJack are attempting to not be the reason you lose.

marshallb
05-05-2009, 09:07 PM
Booty is not the answer in any shape or form. He is nothing more than a backup in the NFL and even then he probably isn't better than TJack or Sage.

As for Favre and people saying we still wouldn't have an answer for the future, the point is to win a championship. Favre is a significant upgrade over TJack and Sage. To this point there is nothing that says the QB of the future is on the roster so what would it matter if Favre played for us for a year. It's not like we mortgaging the future on Favre, we are giving nothing up for him.

Anyone who thinks that this team is going to have a worse record with Favre than with Sage or TJack needs to step back for a minute and think. Favre can win you a game. Sage and TJack are attempting to not be the reason you lose.

I agree 100% on Booty. On Favre, I only have 2 questions: 1) is he healthy 2) which Favre are you getting, the one at the beginning of last year or the one at the end of last year. If the answer is yes and beginning, then I'd take Favre in a heartbeat, if it's no and end, then absolutely not.

Vikes99ej
05-05-2009, 09:18 PM
Booty sucks dick. Sorry guize

vikes_28
05-06-2009, 09:01 AM
Booty sucks dick. Sorry guize

I second that.

General Zod
05-06-2009, 01:23 PM
Anyone heard anything about what we are doing for a center this season? I hear John Sullivan, but if I had to guess I would say that Childress tries out Ryan Cook at center. He played center in college. Besides, it would be to much of a hit to Childress's ego if Ryan Cook was somehow not involve in the O-line.

I really hate Childress btw. :-)

Vikes99ej
05-06-2009, 02:48 PM
Anyone heard anything about what we are doing for a center this season? I hear John Sullivan, but if I had to guess I would say that Childress tries out Ryan Cook at center. He played center in college. Besides, it would be to much of a hit to Childress's ego if Ryan Cook was somehow not involve in the O-line.

I really hate Childress btw. :-)

I'd put my money on Sullivan. I don't think Childress' ego has much to do with anything anymore seeing as he is talking to Brett Favre this week.

marshallb
05-06-2009, 03:56 PM
I agree, it seems like Sullivan, from things that I've read the team likes Sullivan a lot and are fully intent on giving him every possible chance to succeed.

Dr. Gonzo
05-06-2009, 04:40 PM
You guys with your JDB hate can all go to hell :(

FuzzyGopher
05-06-2009, 05:42 PM
You guys with your JDB hate can all go to hell :(

It's Booty Time!!

RollingMoss
05-06-2009, 06:27 PM
I hate Brett Favre....but I will take him in a millisecond.

Go All-In, Chilly. Push those chips.

The_Dude
05-06-2009, 08:06 PM
I agree, it seems like Sullivan, from things that I've read the team likes Sullivan a lot and are fully intent on giving him every possible chance to succeed.

Like Ryan Cook & T-Jack????

So far that has all worked out really well!

hagy34
05-06-2009, 09:43 PM
You guys with your JDB hate can all go to hell :(

Did you watch him at all during the preseason and/or training camp? Man he was brutal.

Dr. Gonzo
05-06-2009, 09:48 PM
Did you watch him at all during the preseason and/or training camp? Man he was brutal.

You really are putting WAY to much stock into his performance as a rookie during camp and preseason. Now if he still performs like that this year I will start to stop praising him.

hagy34
05-06-2009, 10:26 PM
You really are putting WAY to much stock into his performance as a rookie during camp and preseason. Now if he still performs like that this year I will start to stop praising him.

I disagree. I really don't think he should get any credit at all. The fact is that he won't be a starting QB in this league. Believe me, I'd love to see him succeed but he wasn't a good prospect coming out and his preseason performance only validated most people's thinking. He could be a decent backup at somepoint but he won't be a starter in the NFL.

Crazy_Chris
05-06-2009, 10:38 PM
I agree 100% on Booty. On Favre, I only have 2 questions: 1) is he healthy 2) which Favre are you getting, the one at the beginning of last year or the one at the end of last year. If the answer is yes and beginning, then I'd take Favre in a heartbeat, if it's no and end, then absolutely not.

Well I think your 2 questions are 1 in the same. The reason Favre was bad near the end of the season was because his arm was bothering him. So if he is healthy he will be the good favre.

Anyone heard anything about what we are doing for a center this season? I hear John Sullivan, but if I had to guess I would say that Childress tries out Ryan Cook at center. He played center in college. Besides, it would be to much of a hit to Childress's ego if Ryan Cook was somehow not involve in the O-line.

I really hate Childress btw. :-)

I think Ryan Cook will and should be given an oppurtunity to win the starting job at C. Cook played it in college, he gets a good push in the run game, and moving him into C should negate the problems he has with speed. Aswell as playing next to the best G in the NFL should help him out. But word is the Vikings like Sullivan a lot so I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him beat out Cook for C.

Vikes99ej
05-06-2009, 11:04 PM
Ryan Cook is terrible at everything except at having a synonym for "chef" as a last name. **** him.

BGB
05-06-2009, 11:05 PM
I agree, it seems like Sullivan, from things that I've read the team likes Sullivan a lot and are fully intent on giving him every possible chance to succeed.

One of the major reasons that Birk left for Baltimore is because he knew John Sullivan is going to be a very good player and the staff likes him a lot. He knew that he would never see all 3 years of his contract if he signed here. He probably would have been cut after this year. In Baltimore he is all but guaranteed all 3 unless his play declines to the point where he is a complete liability.

Vikes99ej
05-07-2009, 12:49 AM
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd31/vikes99ej/ogogflol.jpg



lolololol

The Dynasty
05-07-2009, 12:54 AM
I understand the miss playoffs votes from Illinois and Wisconsin buts whats up with Alaska, Rhode Island and New Hampshire. I see my state voted for Lose in the playoffs which I would have to agree with.

hagy34
05-07-2009, 12:56 AM
Everyone in Illinois and Wisco must be praying that Favre stays retired. Because he certainly won't make a defending division champion any worse....

FuzzyGopher
05-07-2009, 08:49 AM
I didn't think they had internet access in Alaska...

princefielder28
05-07-2009, 08:51 AM
I didn't think they had internet access in Alaska...

Daryn Colledge's family can probably afford internet in North Pole, AK, and that's probably where the votes came from.

TitleTown088
05-08-2009, 12:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m718yE9UUk


Sacks or sex?

FlyingElvis
05-08-2009, 03:16 PM
Anyone who thinks that this team is going to have a worse record with Favre than with Sage or TJack needs to step back for a minute and think. Favre can win you a game. Sage and TJack are attempting to not be the reason you lose.
Meh. Favre can lose you a game just as easily as Sage or TJ. I kind of agree with you but it's so hard to actually get behind the idea of Favre leading the Vikings.

Overall I have to agree that it can't hurt to give him a shot since it's not taking away reps from the future franchise QB.

I understand the miss playoffs votes from Illinois and Wisconsin buts whats up with Alaska, Rhode Island and New Hampshire. I see my state voted for Lose in the playoffs which I would have to agree with.

RI knows Favre is done. Injured arm, my arse. Tired, old, washed up arm. Please don't do it Chilly. It's not worth it, either way. At worst it does no good. At best it is enough to prevent Chilly from getting the pink slip.

Does anyone really want that?

Dr. Gonzo
05-08-2009, 03:45 PM
Meh. Favre can lose you a game just as easily as Sage or TJ. I kind of agree with you but it's so hard to actually get behind the idea of Favre leading the Vikings.

Overall I have to agree that it can't hurt to give him a shot since it's not taking away reps from the future franchise QB.



RI knows Favre is done. Injured arm, my arse. Tired, old, washed up arm. Please don't do it Chilly. It's not worth it, either way. At worst it does no good. At best it is enough to prevent Chilly from getting the pink slip.

Does anyone really want that?

No way. At worst it gets Childress fired, at best it makes the Vikings Superbowl contenders. I can deal with that. All of the moves in the offseason so far lead my to believe Childress is desperate and doing whatever it takes to keep his job (Housh, Harvin, Favre, ect.) so I have to think that if Favre is brought in and has a season like last year Childress will be gone.

FlyingElvis
05-08-2009, 03:57 PM
hmmm . . . sorry about that. I flipped those two and didn't even notice it.

Should have read "At best it does no good. At worst it is enough to prevent Chilly from getting the pink slip."


I just don't see Favre being enough to make a SB push. Playoffs - well, got there without him - and I don't think he's got enough to win a playoff game where the team couldn't without him. He hasn't shown the ability to be the difference maker over the last 5 seasons. He had a miracle 07 season where even I was thinking a story book, Favre for SB MVP type ending would be great. That season was the exception. What he did with the Jets and GBay for the 04, 05 and 06 seasons is what he'll bring to Minnesota. No thanks.

EDIT: Even in that great 07 campaign he totally blew it in the playoffs.

IDK . . . as mentioned by Hagy, it's not like Favre would be a downgrade from Sage or Tavaris.

Vikings4ever
05-08-2009, 04:08 PM
ESPN says the Vikes are evaluating Favre's X-Rays. If no major surgery is needed, he'll sign.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/sports/Favre_Xray_May_8_2009

hagy34
05-08-2009, 09:21 PM
Elvis,

people aren't expecting Favre to come in here and blow the doors off defenses. I don't need to see a pro bowl type season out of him to see an improvement. What he does bring is the ability to steal a game, which he has. Adding him to this 10-6 team is only a plus. Not to mention he'll have much better weapons around him than in NY. Peterson, Berrian and Harvin is one of the most explosive trios in the entire league.

B-rand
05-09-2009, 12:26 AM
ESPN says the Vikes are evaluating Favre's X-Rays. If no major surgery is needed, he'll sign.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/sports/Favre_Xray_May_8_2009

They also reported just yesterday that he was going to stay retired.

I'll wait until someone real comes out and mentions something about the situation. Not "someone close to the situation" who can't be named cuz they were made up to sound credible and sell news for profit.

I'm waiting until Childress, Favre, or Cook speaks.

SC Igniter
05-09-2009, 09:04 AM
Is all this Favre drama going to hurt your team? I don't see him helping it frankly because its all about him and his revenge against the Packers. The team takes a back during all of this, we saw how all this has played out so far in Denver and its not a healthy situation for the team

My vote is stay retired, however, agree it would get really interesting in your division should he return. Man he really must hate the Packers Management.

FuzzyGopher
05-09-2009, 10:49 AM
They also reported just yesterday that he was going to stay retired.

I'll wait until someone real comes out and mentions something about the situation. Not "someone close to the situation" who can't be named cuz they were made up to sound credible and sell news for profit.

I'm waiting until Childress, Favre, or Cook speaks.

I agree, the Vikings are pretty good about being tight lipped when it comes to stuff like this. They had been talking to the Chiefs about Jared Allen for a month before the media got a hold of the info. It's a slow time of the football season and everyone wants to break the story. Hopefully something will happen in the next few days and all this speculation will stop, unless he actually does sign then it will be at least a year long circus.

hagy34
05-09-2009, 07:23 PM
I really just want this crap to be over. I don't mind if we bring him in but this is getting out of hand.

marshallb
05-09-2009, 08:56 PM
I really just want this crap to be over. I don't mind if we bring him in but this is getting out of hand.

It's very likely to carry on for a lot longer, so you better get used to it.

BlueBandit24
05-10-2009, 06:24 PM
I really just want this crap to be over. I don't mind if we bring him in but this is getting out of hand.

I know how you feel. I really don't care what happens at this point I just want some finality to the situation. But sadly marshallb is right, there is no end to Favre Mania. I cannot wait for the day when it's physically impossible for him to ponder a return.

marshallb
05-10-2009, 06:48 PM
I know how you feel. I really don't care what happens at this point I just want some finality to the situation. But sadly marshallb is right, there is no end to Favre Mania. I cannot wait for the day when it's physically impossible for him to ponder a return.

No doubt, I want it to be over, as does everyone else. I was actually quite glad when they reported that Favre told the Vikings he was going to stay retired and that Childress didn't fly down, because I thought that it might actually be over, but then right on cue, "Favre's x-rays sent to Vikings". I actually kind of hope he just stays retired, b/c otherwise the huge media circus will follow us around all year, but then again, I think Favre would be a great one year addition to the team.

JFLO
05-10-2009, 09:33 PM
ESPN is really pushing this thing, I mean they are probably the only people (outside of Mississippi news) that are outside of Favre's house.

I agree with most of you, wanting this debacle to be over and soon, because the team can't drag along T-Jack and Rosenfels like the Jets did with Clemens and Pennington.

I wouldn't mind having him though...

pete_norm
05-11-2009, 07:27 AM
There's a nice opinion piece on the whole Favre saga on scout.com. The guy pretty much nails it on the head.

http://min.scout.com/a.z?s=63&p=2&c=863793

Please let it be over soon.

The_Dude
05-11-2009, 09:05 AM
If Favre does come to the Vikes, there will be no end to the media circus... as Pat Reusse said last week, Tiger Woods will be winning the PGA Championship at Hazeltine, but no one will know because all of the local reporters will be in Mankato to report that Favre scratched his butt!

I think that the main hangup is not the shoulder, but more with the fact that Favre doesn't want to go through OTAs and minicamps... that is why he has drawn this **** out over the last few years.

bored of education
05-11-2009, 09:09 AM
but no one will know because all of the local reporters will be in Mankato to report that Favre scratched his butt!



WILL HE SNIFF HIS HAND??????

pete_norm
05-11-2009, 12:07 PM
WILL HE SNIFF HIS HAND??????

Yes, but it will smell of roses... Strong MANLY roses.

The_Dude
05-11-2009, 12:14 PM
Yes, but it will smell of roses... Strong MANLY roses.

At least that is the way that ESPN will report it. I'm sure that Madden would also do a special report on how good Favre's ass smells....

http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/nerickson_photo/favremadden5rw.jpg

Addict
05-11-2009, 12:18 PM
At least that is the way that ESPN will report it. I'm sure that Madden would also do a special report on how good Favre's ass smells....

http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/nerickson_photo/favremadden5rw.jpg

maybe Mooch can make a quick pitstop there to describe the taste...

pete_norm
05-11-2009, 12:19 PM
At least that is the way that ESPN will report it. I'm sure that Madden would also do a special report on how good Favre's ass smells....

http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/nerickson_photo/favremadden5rw.jpg


Looking at that photo, either Madden has only one hand or he also wants to know if Brett smells of roses...

Vikings4ever
05-11-2009, 03:23 PM
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -The Minnesota Vikings and Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield are no longer talking about a new contract.

Winfield's Agent Ashanti Webb said Monday that negotiations on an extension recently reached an impasse. He declined to comment on whether this will affect Winfield's attendance at the team's organized practices this spring.

Webb says his "line of communication" with the team remains open.

Winfield will make $6 million in the final season of his current six-year deal. He turns 32 next month. Winfield has said previously he'd like to finish his career in Minnesota.

Fellow starting cornerback Cedric Griffin, who is 26, recently had his contract extended by five years through 2014.

http://sports.excite.com/news/05112009/v9319.html

BlueBandit24
05-11-2009, 04:25 PM
I'm not surprised that we're taking a strong line with Winfield. We haven't been shy about showing veterans the door. Most of those have been on the decline, and it's fair to say that Winfield is still bringing it, but I'm guessing they'll take a wait and see approach with Winfield this season, see how some of the new guys fair in the secondary, and then possibly franchise Antoine next offseason. I don't see this being resolved anytime soon.

the_legend_killer
05-11-2009, 04:27 PM
I'm not surprised, but I'm disappointed. Winfield has shown no signs of slowing down, at all.

vikes_28
05-12-2009, 08:45 AM
He deserves a lot of cash. Like for real. I don't give a **** how old he is. We are a win now team. And he wants to win a superbowl. The Vikings think that they are going to get the "hometown discount" on him. But I don't think that will happen. Winfield is better than that.

djp
05-12-2009, 01:29 PM
He deserves a lot of cash. Like for real. I don't give a **** how old he is. We are a win now team. And he wants to win a superbowl. The Vikings think that they are going to get the "hometown discount" on him. But I don't think that will happen. Winfield is better than that.

If he wants to finish his career here, he might have to take a hometown discount. When you say statements like that, it makes the fan base think that money is less important than staying on this team.

FlyingElvis
05-12-2009, 02:03 PM
He has an awful lot of leverage, though. There's nobody behind him that is taking over if he leaves in FA. The franchise tag will be an absolute necessity if he's not extended.

hagy34
05-12-2009, 06:54 PM
He has an awful lot of leverage, though. There's nobody behind him that is taking over if he leaves in FA. The franchise tag will be an absolute necessity if he's not extended.

That's not exactly true. The Vikings have been drafting lately to replace possible losses in FA. We drafted Tyrell knowing Sharper could be gone, we are clearly confident in Sullivan as the replacement for Birk and that could be the same idea they have for Asher Allen. Not saying that Allen is anywhere near Winfield, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that if Allen has a solid season they let Winfield walk. I love AW, but I really believe that if they didn't have faith in Asher Allen then we would've already seen him extended similar to Griffin.

PS. 500th Post!!!

Vikes99ej
05-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Winfield was awesome last year. My guess is they are just waiting to see how he does this year.

Crazy_Chris
05-13-2009, 01:26 PM
That's not exactly true. The Vikings have been drafting lately to replace possible losses in FA. We drafted Tyrell knowing Sharper could be gone, we are clearly confident in Sullivan as the replacement for Birk and that could be the same idea they have for Asher Allen. Not saying that Allen is anywhere near Winfield, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that if Allen has a solid season they let Winfield walk. I love AW, but I really believe that if they didn't have faith in Asher Allen then we would've already seen him extended similar to Griffin.

PS. 500th Post!!!

I don't disagree that the Vikings have been drafting to replace. However I disagree with thought the Vikings could already have the same feelings towards Asher Allen as a John Sullivan or a Tyrell Johnson. Asher Allen is just a late 3rd round CB in a weak draft class who easily could have gone in the 4th. Could he become good enough to replace winfield? sure it's possible. But is he good enough right now for the Vikings to hold off on extending Winfield? not even close. Flying Elvis is right Winfield has a lot of leverage in this situation. Because while the Vikings have a lot of depth guys and just drafted a 3rd round CB none of them are good enough yet to have faith in taking over his starting spot.

hagy34
05-13-2009, 01:29 PM
I'm not saying thats how I feel, I'm saying that could be the reason they are waiting on Winfield. I mean John Sullivan was a 6th round pick! Allen was brought in because he is a good fit in this system and a good tackler. Don't get me wrong, I'll be upset if we don't bring Winfield back, I just think that the team may view Asher Allen as his replacement if his contract demands are too high.

Crazy_Chris
05-13-2009, 01:51 PM
I understand what you meant by it and I just completely disagree that the Vikings could possibly feel they can wait on extending Winfiled because of Asher Allen. As for John Sullivan being a 6th round pick it's very different simply because of the position. Center don't normally go very high you can find good center prospects later in the draft that can be ready to play. CB is a whole different ball game.

I don't doubt the team could view Asher Allen as a possible replacement down the road to Winfield. But there is just no way(As of right now) that they could use Asher Allen as some sort of leverage versus Winfield. Obviously this could change if Asher Allen plays well this year but at this point he hasn't done anything to make them view him like that.

FlyingElvis
05-13-2009, 02:13 PM
I just don't see anyone on the roster that is even close to Winfield. Even if Griffin is good enough to take over #1 there's no solid guy after that - unless Gordon is going to come back from IR as a beast. I guess I don't really know enough about him to say, but Winfield is a top CB and that's not easy to replace.

But I see your point entirely, Hagy. There really is no need to rush to re-sign him now. See how things go and franchise him next year if necessary. It's just that I'm not that optimistic about the guys on the current roster. There's always FA next year, too.

The_Dude
05-13-2009, 02:51 PM
I just don't see anyone on the roster that is even close to Winfield. Even if Griffin is good enough to take over #1 there's no solid guy after that - unless Gordon is going to come back from IR as a beast. I guess I don't really know enough about him to say, but Winfield is a top CB and that's not easy to replace.

But I see your point entirely, Hagy. There really is no need to rush to re-sign him now. See how things go and franchise him next year if necessary. It's just that I'm not that optimistic about the guys on the current roster. There's always FA next year, too.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Winfield has been the most solid player on that def since he came here a few years ago.

There is a strong chance that his leverage will only increase after another solid year, being an unrestricted free agent, and the possibility of an uncapped year.


Pay the man!

FlyingElvis
05-13-2009, 03:02 PM
I was putting it as nicely as I could being a Pats fan in the Vikes forum. lol


2nd favorite is Minnesota so I really don't want to see them let Winfield go. And I completely agree that it's very risky to not extend him early b/c he could be even more expensive later. It could go either way, but he played too well last year to reasonably expect a flop in a contract year.

russie
05-14-2009, 06:06 AM
Williamses could learn legal fate Thursday
May 13th, 2009 – 8:20 PM by Chip Scoggins
Pro Bowl defensive tackles Kevin and Pat Williams could learn Thursday whether their four-game suspensions by the NFL will be upheld.

The Williamses have a June 15 court date, but Pro Football Talk reported tonight that a “motion for summary judgment” will be heard on Thursday. Essentially, U.S. District Judge Paul Magnuson can make a ruling if he decides there are enough facts that are not in dispute by both sides.

The hearing is scheduled to start at 10:30 a.m. and is expected to last several hours.

The Williamses were suspended for four games last season after testing positive for a banned diuretic. They were granted an injunction in mid-December, which allowed them to finish the season.

The Williamses, along with three players from the New Orleans Saints, were suspended after testing positive for bumetanide, which is contained in the supplement StarCaps and can be used as a masking agent for steroids. Bumetanide was not listed as an ingredient on the StarCaps label and the players argue that the NFL did not properly inform players.

The Williamses are seeking up to $10 million in damages as well as having their four-game suspensions overturned. The Williamses, in court filings, admit they took the diuretic to help them make a prescribed weight because both had weight clauses in their contracts.

princefielder28
05-14-2009, 08:06 AM
Who would be the starting DTs if the Vikings go minus the Williamses?

marshallb
05-14-2009, 08:21 AM
Who would be the starting DTs if the Vikings go minus the Williamses?

Fred Evans would be one of them, but I'm not sure who the other would be.

FuzzyGopher
05-14-2009, 09:05 AM
Fred Evans would be one of them, but I'm not sure who the other would be.

Guion maybe? Sucks Darion Scott went psycho, he could play DE and DT.

DHVF
05-14-2009, 10:14 AM
Guion maybe? Sucks Darion Scott went psycho, he could play DE and DT.
We're also bringing back Kennedy so he very well could be starting in that scenario as well.

B-rand
05-14-2009, 12:09 PM
Good layout of the Williamses case. This came from a different forum, but makes a lot of sense and lays things out in a way that even I can understand it:

"There will be no settlement. The NFL knows that they are wrong on this, and they are pursuing it only to test the strength of their contract. Now, contract law in the US is actually pretty settled on this matter. The Williamses signed a contract for an at will work situation and basically agreed to abide by the NFL's rules. These kinds of contracts are treated differently than the normal type of contracts you see to, say, build a garage. If the garage is shotty or doesn't get built, there is an obvious wrong. An employment contract can't be judged the same way.

There is a big but here, and I'm not talking about Pat's. The contract will generally require both parties to act in good faith. And I think that is where the NFL will fail. On one big point. That is the requirement in the contract that any breach be decided by an independent and unbiased arbiter. The judge has already found that the arbiter was biased, and the NFL didn't really contest that finding. Now, the court can pretty much come up with three different findings.

One. The NFL breached the contract by not having an independent arbiter, there is no case, toss the suit with bias, and the Wall has their legal costs paid by the NFL.

Two. The judge will assume the rule as arbiter and decide that the Wall didn't breach their contract.

Three. The judge will assume the rule as arbiter and decide that the Wall did breach their contract. The Wall is out for four games.

Just following judge Magnuson's rulings and demeanor on this case makes me think that one or two are the most likely outcomes."

princefielder28
05-14-2009, 01:15 PM
Fred Evans would be one of them, but I'm not sure who the other would be.

It amazes me that you guys have failed to address the depth at that position over the last two drafts; Guion is the lone one.

Crazy_Chris
05-14-2009, 02:14 PM
It amazes me that you guys have failed to address the depth at that position over the last two drafts; Guion is the lone one.

Yea it is a bit odd they didn't adress it this year. Last year is more understandable after trading away most their picks for Allen. Than trading away another 4th to move up and get Tyrell Johnson, who was more of a need than a depth DT last year.

This year was pretty much the same story bigger needs than DT depth. Although they easily could have addressed it with the 3rd rounder rather than CB depth.

marshallb
05-14-2009, 05:13 PM
Yea it is a bit odd they didn't adress it this year. Last year is more understandable after trading away most their picks for Allen. Than trading away another 4th to move up and get Tyrell Johnson, who was more of a need than a depth DT last year.

This year was pretty much the same story bigger needs than DT depth. Although they easily could have addressed it with the 3rd rounder rather than CB depth.

I understand what you're saying, but I'd have rather signed a FA DT to a short deal for this year, rather than drafting a DT. This draft was very weak at DT, but next year's looks to be incredible at DT. There could be as many as 4 DTs that go in the top 10, and even more importantly, about another 8 that could go in the 1st or 2nd round.

Sniper
05-14-2009, 05:33 PM
I'm watching some crime show and it documents some killer that HAS to be Brad Childress. Uncanny. Dude looks just like him. If they say something about ******** play-calling and awful clock management, we could be onto something.

DHVF
05-14-2009, 08:25 PM
It amazes me that you guys have failed to address the depth at that position over the last two drafts; Guion is the lone one.
Why on earth would that amaze you? We're already getting Vince Wilfork next offseason so our asses are covered.

FlyingElvis
05-15-2009, 09:23 AM
Why on earth would that amaze you? We're already getting Vince Wilfork next offseason so our asses are covered.


LIES!! BLASPHEMER!!

You take that back!

B-rand
05-15-2009, 10:20 AM
Why on earth would that amaze you? We're already getting Vince Wilfork next offseason so our asses are covered.

Wow...The Wilfork and Williams Wall would be even better than the Williams and Williams Wall....but we'd have to come up with a new name

hagy34
05-15-2009, 10:22 AM
Why on earth would that amaze you? We're already getting Vince Wilfork next offseason so our asses are covered.

Yeah right. No way would we be able to tie up the amount of cash Wilfork will want when we are already paying KWill and Jared.

bored of education
05-15-2009, 11:10 AM
Yeah right. No way would we be able to tie up the amount of cash Wilfork will want when we are already paying KWill and Jared.

Wilfork will be in kC so don't worry :)

Vikings4ever
05-15-2009, 12:04 PM
Yeah right. No way would we be able to tie up the amount of cash Wilfork will want when we are already paying KWill and Jared.

Also depends on if 2010 is an uncapped year, because I see no way Ziggy ponys up the money Dan Snyder/Jerry Jones would be willing to.

djp
05-15-2009, 03:23 PM
Also depends on if 2010 is an uncapped year, because I see no way Ziggy ponys up the money Dan Snyder/Jerry Jones would be willing to.

We'll actually have enough money, we just wouldn't be able to re-sign/sign anyone else. As much as I love Big Vince, I think a team like Tampa is going to be able to offer him huge money as well as the chance to move closer to home.

DHVF
05-15-2009, 03:28 PM
LIES!! BLASPHEMER!!

You take that back!
Let me have my dreams dammit!!!

The Dynasty
05-16-2009, 11:04 PM
If anyone was wondering how Percy Harvin looks in the Vikings Uniform here is a picture from the Rookie Photo shoot

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v3865/52/55/62712690759/n62712690759_2565613_3417970.jpg

hagy34
05-17-2009, 02:19 AM
Stud in the making....

vikes_28
05-17-2009, 11:27 AM
The cap has also increased to 128 mill so the chance of getting Wilfork is higher...

jsa230
05-17-2009, 12:38 PM
If anyone was wondering how Percy Harvin looks in the Vikings Uniform here is a picture from the Rookie Photo shoot

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v3865/52/55/62712690759/n62712690759_2565613_3417970.jpg

Look at the Sanchez game face

Jason Smith looks like he just went into labor

B-rand
05-17-2009, 08:45 PM
Look at the Sanchez game face

Jason Smith looks like he just went into labor

and Stafford is thinking..."Crap! Did I really just put on THIS jersey!?"

FuzzyGopher
05-17-2009, 08:55 PM
Stafford should get used to keeping his head down like that.

JFLO
05-18-2009, 07:25 AM
If anyone was wondering how Percy Harvin looks in the Vikings Uniform here is a picture from the Rookie Photo shoot

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v3865/52/55/62712690759/n62712690759_2565613_3417970.jpg

I think it's funny they didn't put Freeman by Sanchez and Stafford....awkward

Unless he's walking over there, but I'm going to say no

djp
05-20-2009, 03:53 PM
Just watched Vikings-Packers on demand thru the NFL Network... man that was a great game. Chester Taylor absolutely dominated the Packers LBs, we need to definitely use him more this season.

Vikes99ej
05-20-2009, 04:09 PM
Chester was soooo clutch last season. I believe this is his last year of his contract, so things may get a little weird after that.

vikes_28
05-20-2009, 04:14 PM
Chester was soooo clutch last season. I believe this is his last year of his contract, so things may get a little weird after that.

He was really good in 3rd down situations.

PS I hate your sig.

Crazy_Chris
05-20-2009, 06:29 PM
Just watched Vikings-Packers on demand thru the NFL Network... man that was a great game. Chester Taylor absolutely dominated the Packers LBs, we need to definitely use him more this season.

Chester Taylor was definatly under utilized he is still one of the teams better offensive weapons. I would like to see more of Chester and Adrian on the field at the same time.

marshallb
05-20-2009, 08:37 PM
Chester Taylor was definatly under utilized he is still one of the teams better offensive weapons. I would like to see more of Chester and Adrian on the field at the same time.

I agree, having Chester, AD, Harvin, Berrian, and either Shiancoe or Rice/Wade all on the field at one time would be very good, and would be very hard for teams to match up with. I'm not saying using this a lot, but just throwing it in every once in a while.

B-rand
05-21-2009, 05:30 PM
I agree, having Chester, AD, Harvin, Berrian, and either Shiancoe or Rice/Wade all on the field at one time would be very good, and would be very hard for teams to match up with. I'm not saying using this a lot, but just throwing it in every once in a while.

I 3rd this motion, and have been calling for it the past season and a half now...I still believe the best play during Chilly's time here was last season against Carolina, when we had Chester and AD in the backfield, fake it to both of them, then swing it over to Shaincoe for a TE screen. It only got like 7 yards that time, but now imagine that with Harvin catching the ball....

They need to get back a bit to how the carries were split in Adrian's rookie season. With Chester getting 10-15 a game and Adrian getting 20-25 a game in carries (not just touches) and Chester's need to come mostly in the first half. That system worked amazing most of the time!

vikes_28
05-22-2009, 11:28 AM
But the Vikings coach is Brad Childress. He is too afraid to step into a pool thats up to his knees.

General Zod
05-22-2009, 03:00 PM
Well I know its way early, but it at least makes me feel a little better:


http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2879



Harvin catching on quickly
May 22nd, 2009 – 9:52 AM by Chip Scoggins
The media got its first live look at first-round pick Percy Harvin in Thursday’s OTA and he looked every bit as fast and explosive as advertised.

Harvin lined up in a number of different spots, including in the backfield and the slot, and he’s also getting reps as the punt and kickoff return man. We talked to Harvin after practice and here is some of what he said:

“It feels great,” he said. “There’s no better experience than what I’m going through right now. I’m glad to get the combine and all the stuff over with and finally lace it back up and get on the football field. It’s a wonderful feeling.”

(On the illness that forced him to miss the rookie minicamp) “I think it got a little blown out of proportion because of the swine flu. But I had extreme dehydration and a little flu going through the airport. It was dangerous at the time but it was nothing but dehydration. I got some fluids in me and I was back on my feet.”

(On learning the offense) “I study a lot so I don’t mess up too much on the field. I was told at a young age, if you mess up, mess up going full speed. Anything I’m doing I’m going full speed.”

(On his initial conversation with Adrian Peterson) “It was a pleasure meeting him. All he said was to come out here and work hard. He said play fast even if you don’t know something. Play 100 miles per hour and eventually the coaches will catch you up.”

(On being used in different roles) “I can’t tell you where I’ll end up. We’re kind of doing a little bit of both — a little bit of plays running out of the backfield and some slot. They’re just trying to get me used to all the positions and I guess toward the end we’ll figure out what I’ll play.”

(On his expectations as a rookie) “I’m just trying to come in and be a contributor, whether that’s catching 100 passes or whatever it is, special teams. I just want to contribute to the team and be on the field and help any way I can.”

(On studying playbook at night) “Oh definitely. That’s one thing I think a rookie is afraid of, coming out to practice and not knowing what to do and getting called out. That’s one thing I don’t like. I like to know what I’m doing when I come out here. I know there are some things I can’t catch on quickly, but for the most part I’m going to know what I’m doing.”

vikes_28
05-22-2009, 09:24 PM
Well i guess everything sounds positive. I can't wait to see what they do with him. If he can be that versitile by lining up in the backfield then i'm excited to see what he can do in the slot.

Should be exciting.

JFLO
05-23-2009, 08:23 AM
Looks like Pat and Kevin are one step closer to a suspension...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4200775

marshallb
05-23-2009, 11:04 AM
Looks like Pat and Kevin are one step closer to a suspension...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4200775

Not necessarily, if you read this article from Pro Football Talk, it says that they still have a chance, in fact a fairly good one.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/23/the-williams-wall-still-has-a-case/

B-rand
05-25-2009, 05:48 PM
Not necessarily, if you read this article from Pro Football Talk, it says that they still have a chance, in fact a fairly good one.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/23/the-williams-wall-still-has-a-case/

The Star Tribune has been sending their readers to PFT and Florio's articles because Florio is a lawyer, he's able to understand all this and put into terms regular ppl can understand.

hagy34
05-25-2009, 09:43 PM
So I work at the Chaska Town Course in Chaska, MN and Phil Loadholt was out at the course today. He is HUGE!!! I got him to sign a Vikings hat that I had in my car which was pretty cool. He is a very nice guy and seemed real down to earth.

marshallb
05-25-2009, 10:18 PM
So I work at the Chaska Town Course in Chaska, MN and Phil Loadholt was out at the course today. He is HUGE!!! I got him to sign a Vikings hat that I had in my car which was pretty cool. He is a very nice guy and seemed real down to earth.

that's pretty cool.

B-Rand, I saw that too, but I found that by just checking on PFT. Florio also has another post up about it too, but I don't have the time right now to find it.

DHVF
05-25-2009, 11:32 PM
Not necessarily, if you read this article from Pro Football Talk, it says that they still have a chance, in fact a fairly good one.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/23/the-williams-wall-still-has-a-case/
Judging from that article it seems to me that there's really nothing the NFL will be able to do in this case, as the NFL would be violating the laws of the state of Minnesota when it comes to employee/employer relations, if they were to suspend the Williams Wall for consuming a legal product outside of the organizations premises.

Crazy_Chris
05-26-2009, 03:14 AM
Judging from that article it seems to me that there's really nothing the NFL will be able to do in this case, as the NFL would be violating the laws of the state of Minnesota when it comes to employee/employer relations, if they were to suspend the Williams Wall for consuming a legal product outside of the organizations premises.

It may not be as much of an open and shut case as it seemd I ran across this ineresting article. I still think they win but I can see the NFL possibly being able to make an arguement out ot this.

During a Saturday appearance with Howard Balzer and Alex Marvez of Sirius NFL Radio, Balzer posed a great question to yours truly regarding the possible suspension of Vikings defensive tackles Kevin and Pat Williams.

Isn’t the league the Williamses’ employer, for the purposes of the four-game suspension?

If so, then Minnesota law potentially wouldn’t apply and, in turn, statutory protections that would seem to prevent the suspensions would not be an issue.

The answer, as we surmised on a “from the hip” basis in response to Howard’s question, is no.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed this reality via e-mail on Monday: “The clubs as members of the league are bound to terms of the collectively bargained drug programs that cover all players. The discipline for those programs is imposed by the league.”

A league source was more explicit in this regard.

“The club is the employer,” the source said. “The league stresses that regularly (when it serves its purpose to do so). . . . The club is the employer, but its ability to discipline is governed/restricted by the CBA.”

So, basically, the Vikings are the employers of Kevin and Pat Williams, and the suspensions ultimately are being imposed by their employers pursuant to the terms of a collective bargaining agreement that covers employers in 21 different states. And so, if Minnesota state law prevents the Vikings from implementing these suspensions, the NFL necessarily will be precluded from forcing the Vikings to keep them from playing.

There’s another great question that several readers also have posed: Can the league impose the suspensions for Vikings’ games not played in Minnesota?

Though Aiello has declined to address this question because the league believes the suspensions ultimately will be upheld, we think that, if the suspensions are blocked under Minnesota law, the ruling will apply both to home games and road games.

The players remain employees of a Minnesota employer, regardless of whether the workplace is Minneapolis or Detroit or somewhere else on a given Sunday

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/25/league-isnt-the-employer-of-kevin-and-pat-williams/

Crazy_Chris
05-26-2009, 03:16 AM
Another interesting article I ran across basically letting you get to know Percy Harvin better...

When you read stuff about me, you'd think I'm always evil. But I'm actually kind of a goofy person. I'm a real outgoing person.

Regrets? Just in my past. Just in the way I handled things. I always shouted and yelled, and even though I was right, I didn't go about it the right way. If I learned that at a younger age, a lot of my problems wouldn't have occurred.

My stepdad grew up working with the homeless. So if I drive past someone who's homeless on the side of the street, I have to stop.

My grandmother said, "If you ever dream of a black snake, be careful what you do the next day." I ended up dreaming of a black snake, and I had the worst day of my life. It was two years ago. I was in college. I can't even tell you what the worst thing was. One of the bad things was I missed practice and all the workouts that day. That was the only time I dreamed of a black snake.

My worst fear is spiders. We had a shed for our bikes. One day when I was in middle school, it was kind of dark, and I walked into a spider web, and they crawled all over my face.

My biggest pet peeve? You know when girls take a shower and they leave their hair in the tub, or they leave hair in the sink and you go to brush your teeth? That irks me. That disturbs me a lot.

Being known as a great NFL player probably is my No. 1 thing, other than being a great teammate and helping my team win.

If I had a time machine, I'd like to go back to the dinosaur age. I always wanted to see T-Rex. I'd like to see how big and how mean he actually was.

Favorite cartoon? It was the Power Rangers. I even had the little costume. White Tiger. I used to love him. I watched it every morning before I went to school.

If I could be like any superhero, it would be Wolverine (from X-Men). Playing football, you always get hurt. I'd like to be able to heal up by myself. And "X-Men" is one of my favorite movies. Wolverine is my favorite character.

In high school, I played football, basketball and ran track. In basketball, I could play anywhere from the point guard to the small forward. I always was physical, so I could go down there and get rebounds and box out. I averaged about 20 points, six rebounds and five assists. In track, my fastest time in the 100 was 10.25 seconds, and my fastest 200 was 22.08. I won state my junior year. I didn't run my senior year. I concentrated on football.

My mother has had the biggest influence in my life. I always admired her. She raised me, and with everything I went through, she was always there. She was always strong. The thing I learned from her is that a person is measured when they're on the bottom. Everybody always seems to think when you're on the top getting all the awards that that's when you're measured. But actually it's when you get knocked down and have the ability to get up and keep fighting.

The worst thing I did as a kid? My sister is two years older than me. I was about 5 or 6. We had a slanted driveway, and my sister and I were in the car and just playing with the shift. We put it in reverse and we backed up into the neighbor's house. It ran through the garage, so we had to repair the garage wall.

When I was a kid, I always wanted to be a football player. I was big into basketball, too. As a kid, basketball probably was my favorite sport. In high school, I got a couple of offers for basketball, but I got the real ones for football. So I decided not to play basketball after my junior year. I concentrated on football.

I'm real grumpy after a loss. I don't like losing. I haven't lost many games in my career.

The best day of my life? I would say it was when we won the national championship last year. We had a lot of adversity that year, and everybody came together at once for that last game.

Probably my favorite comedian is Katt Williams. I've got all his DVDs. He can stand there and not say anything and I'd probably laugh.

The funniest movie? I would say it was the first "Friday" with Ice Cube and Chris Tucker.

My favorite movie all-time would be "Bourne Ultimatum" with Matt Damon.

Denzel Washington is the best actor of all time. He's got to be at the top of everybody's list.

Actress? Angelina Jolie.

I'd want my last meal to be fried pork chops, collard greens, macaroni and cheese and a biscuit. I'd wash it down with a Pepsi.

I cook for myself. My best meal probably is lasagna.

My friends would describe me as very competitive, very outgoing and probably goofy.

If my house were burning down, I'd want to make sure I got out the picture of my mom and me from when I was in high school. It was in the newspaper. I'm sitting down, and she has her hands around me. It was kind of the turning point of my high school career. It kept me going the right way. That picture is on my wall. It's hanging above my bed. It was from when I signed my letter of intent.

The best book I ever read was "Cat in the Hat." That's probably the first book I read by myself.

I play video games. I'm good at it. I play Madden, NBA Live. I lose once in a blue moon. I play live on Xbox. I play Madden on PlayStation 2.

My new teammates would be surprised to know that I listen to slow jam more than I listen to rap. My favorite musician is the rapper Jadakiss. I also like RB.

I don't sing. Oh, no. Simon Cowell would tell me, "You are terrible."

I probably won't buy anything for myself when I sign my contract. I'll let my mom do what she has to do to get settled. (His mother plans to move to Minnesota.)

I never miss "Saved by the Bell." It comes on at different times during the day.

I wouldn't change anything about my life. I learned from all the stuff that happened to me.

The best advice I ever got was from my mother, and I heard it from every coach. They said, "If you've got to think about it, don't do it."

The worst advice? My friends always said, "If the shoe fits, wear it." That wasn't always the case with women. Some of the shoes fit, but I shouldn't have worn it. (Laughs.)

If I could trade places for a day with anyone, it would be my old (Florida) teammate, Tim Tebow. Some of the stuff and some of the girls and things that were thrown at him. We saw all kind of actors and news reporters just kind of blatantly say, "Tebow, I want you." And he turned them down. I'm looking at him, like, "Man, you are crazy."

I want my epitaph to say, "Here lies Percy Harvin, who was strong and brave."

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12443633?source=rss

Manic Depressant
05-26-2009, 08:21 AM
Pat Williams on Tarvaris Jackson:

Williams also offered an interesting take on Vikings quarterback Tarvaris Jackson, who is trying to stave off Sage Rosenfels and keep his starting job. "I talk to Tarvaris all the time (and) tell him you have to put in the time," Williams said. "This ain't college no more. This is the NFL. You have to put in more time than you are used to putting in. If you are putting in four hours, you have to put in eight. You have to put in more time than what he's doing. I think if he puts the right time in, he will be a great quarterback in the league."

Crazy_Chris
05-26-2009, 08:37 PM
More news on the case of Pat & Kevin Williams...

MINNEAPOLIS -- The NFL filed notice Tuesday that it plans to appeal a federal judge's ruling in the case of two Minnesota Vikings players facing suspensions over positive drug tests.

U.S. District Judge Paul Magnuson last week threw out most of the claims by Vikings defensive tackles Kevin Williams and Pat Williams. He also dismissed a lawsuit brought by the NFL players' union on behalf of the Williamses and three New Orleans Saints players also facing suspension.

But Magnuson sent the Williamses' two remaining claims to state court.

In Tuesday's filing, the NFL said it ask the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals to review whether Magnuson misapplied federal law when he didn't dismiss those two claims outright.

The NFL Players Association and the Williamses say NFL officials knew a weight-loss supplement called StarCaps contained the banned diuretic bumetanide back in 2006, even though it wasn't listed on the label, and that the league should have notified players and federal regulators. The NFL bans bumetanide because it can be used as a masking agent for steroids.

The Williamses were not accused of taking steroids.

The Williamses, who are not related, are seeking to have their four-game suspensions overturned, as well as monetary damages. An injunction allowing the Williamses to continue playing remains in place.

In his ruling last Friday, Magnuson said the NFL's policy is clear: Players are responsible for what they put in their bodies, and inadvertently ingesting a banned substance is not an excuse.

But the judge sent back to state court the Williamses' claims involving Minnesota laws on when and how employers can require their employees to submit to drug testing, and prohibiting Minnesota employers from disciplining employees for using a legal substance offsite during nonworking hours.

"The NFL has a policy that prohibits the use of performance enhancing drugs," the league said in a statement. "That policy applies nationwide to all 32 NFL teams and their employees."

It noted that Magnuson recognized that federal law permits nationwide policy, and the NFL policy was reached through collective bargaining. It urged that any state law claims inconsistent with federal labor law should be dismissed.

It's not clear if the union will file its own appeal. Union attorney Jeffrey Kessler was out of the country Tuesday and could not be immediately reached for comment, his office said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4206360

Once again the NFL is trying to keep this case out of MN state courts. It would seem to suggest that the NFL thinks the players have a good chance of victory in the MN state courts.

BuckNaked
05-28-2009, 03:17 PM
Sage Rosenfels can suck it...GO TARVARIS!!!!

/input

vikes_28
05-28-2009, 10:48 PM
More news on the case of Pat & Kevin Williams...



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4206360

Once again the NFL is trying to keep this case out of MN state courts. It would seem to suggest that the NFL thinks the players have a good chance of victory in the MN state courts.

Might as well take that **** to the supreme court.

The Dynasty
05-29-2009, 03:14 PM
Winfield absent
May 29th, 2009 – 2:56 PM by Judd Zulgad

Vikings cornerback Antoine Winfield is not on the field as the Vikings opened their minicamp today. Because it’s one of the mandatory team functions, the team can fine the veteran defensive back. Contract talks between Winfield and the team broke down about a month ago. We’ll be back on later with an update from coach Brad Childress.

Don't be cheap and just sign him. Without Winfield our CB Core looks terrible.

FlyingElvis
05-29-2009, 03:44 PM
Agreed. That's the big concern with trying to skate by this year and then franchise him next spring. He knows that will be the most likely scenario and goes the holdout route. Lawd knows a holdout and Favre saga for a month or 3 would just be a nightmare.

The Dynasty
05-29-2009, 05:31 PM
Guess its not as serious as I thought. He had a good reason for missing practice.

Childress: Winfield Is Attending A Funeral
Posted by Aaron Wilson on May 29, 2009, 6:00 p.m. EDT

Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield is absent from the Minnesota Vikings’ mandatory minicamp because he’s attending the funeral of a good friend’s mother, Vikings coach Brad Childress said.

According to Tim Yotter of VikingUpdate.com, Childress said he had lunch with Winfield on Wednesday.

Although contract talks between the Vikings and Winfield’s agent have stalled, this absence from minicamp is apparently an excused one even though Childress didn’t specifically say that.

“You know, we kind of deal with that internally,” said Childress, according to Chip Scoggins of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

According to Childress, Winfield won’t be at the final two days of the minicamp as the funeral is out of town and is scheduled for Saturday.

Childress, who said he spoke with Webb’s agent, Ashanti Webb this week, said that he didn’t think that Winfield’s absence was related to his contract situation.

marshallb
05-29-2009, 06:42 PM
Yea, I was a little concerned when I saw that Winfield wasn't there, but I felt a lot better about it when I saw why. Antoine never seemed like the guy who would holdout and force a new contract or anything like that, so I was quite surprised when they said he wasn't there..

marshallb
05-29-2009, 09:35 PM
Here are some notes from minicamp.
We both put this on Twitter but rookie wide receiver Percy Harvin is very fast and explosive. Harvin made several nice plays down the field and showed off his speed. We’re prohibited from divulging too much information from practice such as specific formations and plays but I think it’s fair to note that the coaches continue to move Harvin all over the field, including in the backfield.

Here is what linebacker Ben Leber said about Harvin: “We were talking about AP’s first year and everybody was throwing the word around ‘explosive.’ I think it’s same thing you can say about Percy. He’s explosive. You definitely want to get the ball in his hands.”

Defensive end Jared Allen said the first day is used to shake off rust. “If you looked at me right now on film you would think I was a garbage rookie. Each year is the same. It starts on Day 1. I’ll go in and get yelled at for doing something wrong and then we’ll come out tomorrow and make it look all good.”

Asked about his health after playing through knee and shoulder injuries last season, Allen said he feels good and included a caveat: “I didn’t forget about all those people who hurt me either so it’s on.”

Rookie Phil Loadholt worked with the first team at right tackle while Ryan Cook was at right guard in place of Anthony Herrera, whose still working his way back from offseason surgery.

Brad Childress said Herrera and tackle Artis Hicks will continue to be somewhat limited until training camp while they regain their strength.
It’s going to be an interesting competition to see who gets that final spot at receiver. The Vikings kept five last season. It should be a spirited competition between Aundrae Allison, Glenn Holt, Darius Reynaud and Jaymar Johnson.

The Vikings have good depth at defensive line with backups Fred Evans, Brian Robison, Jayme Mitchell, Letroy Guion, Jimmy Kennedy and if Kenechi Udeze can complete his remarkable comeback.

E.J. Henderson was back working with the first team at middle linebacker after playing in only four games last season because of two dislocated toes on his left foot. Henderson has declared himself to be 100 percent and looked to be moving very well while working between Chad Greenway and Ben Leber.
Nose tackle Pat Williams, who underwent minor surgery on his knee after the season, was wearing a brace-like wrap on his left knee. Linebacker Heath Farwell and defensive end Jayme Mitchell, who both suffered season-ending injuries during the 2008 preseason, also are wearing braces.

Childress and newcomer Sage Rosenfels spent several minutes talking on the field following practice. Rosenfels continues to learn the Vikings offense. In one-on-one drills, Rosenfels threw a nice pass that Bobby Wade caught about 40 yards down field after beating cornerback Marcus McCauley.

John David Booty is the forgotten man when it comes to Vikings quarterbacks but he looked good on Friday. Booty has definitely either lost weight or shifted it around to the point where he looks to be in much better shape. Booty connected with rookie wide receiver Percy Harvin in one drill on what appeared to be about a 40-yard pass down the right sideline. Harvin beat cornerback Derrick Roberson on the play.

The first-team offensive line to start drills included Bryant McKinnie at left tackle, Steve Hutchinson at left guard, John Sullivan at center, Ryan Cook at right guard and Phil Loadholt at right tackle. Loadholt, who is listed at 6-8, 343 pounds and is definitely bigger than McKinnie (6-8, 335 pounds), was used on just about every possible unit (first, second and third team) at right tackle.

At one point, Brian Daniels got reps with the first team at right guard and Cook was back at right tackle.

Sullivan is your center, folks. He’s going to get every chance to win this job. Rookie free agents Jon Cooper (Oklahoma) and Juan Garcia (Washington) are battling behind Sullivan.

One of the more interesting plays of the day came in team drills when Brian Robison tipped Tarvaris Jackson’s pass at the line of scrimmage. The ball went into the air and wide receiver Darius Reynaud had the presence of mind to catch the pass.

vikes_28
05-29-2009, 11:26 PM
John Sullivan at center, Ryan Cook at right guard and Phil Loadholt at right tackle.

No wonder he isn't consistent. He is moved around to every position on the freakin line.

The Dynasty
05-29-2009, 11:31 PM
No wonder he isn't consistent. He is moved around to every position on the freakin line.

well I dont think he will be making the first string OL anyways. Herrea will be back to take over the RG position and Loadholt will solidify the RT. Pretty much the only question is the C and if Sullivan can come in and play decent and doesnt have problem with the QB's then we should have a solid Line.

Crazy_Chris
05-30-2009, 04:12 AM
Eh Ryan Cook will have to get used to switching positions. Best case scenario is for him to become a multi positon backup kinda like Artis Hicks is now. Although unlike Hicks(Who can backup all 5 spots) he would only be able to play 3 positons(C, RG, and RT).

Crazy_Chris
05-30-2009, 03:48 PM
Some more news from the Kevin & Pat Williams front line. Aaparently the NFL and NFLPA lawyers were admist discussions for a settlement before Magnuson ruled.

The five players facing penalties in the StarCaps case nearly had a deal to avoid any suspensions, according to four sources with knowledge of the discussions.

During settlement talks as recent as May 22, sources said the league was willing to set aside the four-game suspensions for Charles Grant(notes), Deuce McAllister(notes), Will Smith(notes), Kevin Williams(notes) and Pat Williams(notes), but were asking the players to pay a “six-figure” fine instead. In addition, the union requested that appeals of suspensions no longer be heard by commissioner Roger Goodell or someone in the league office, according to three of the four aforementioned sources.

Conversely, the league didn’t want to give up that right because it considered the issue to be an important element of upcoming talks over a new collective bargaining agreement...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ar2eWWOseAeiaef2I1XxYqBDubYF?slug=jc-starcapssettlementtalks052909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I wouldn't be suprised if the NFL started talking a settlement with Peter Ginsberg(Kevin & Pat Williams Lawyer). Kevin & Pat have a bit more leverage now as it is obvious the league doesn't want this thing to get to MN State Courts so maybe they can work this out. Also I don't think Peter Ginsberg will try to push for a new appeal structure from the NFL so that hurdle shouldn't be there.

marshallb
05-30-2009, 09:35 PM
Some more news from the Kevin & Pat Williams front line. Aaparently the NFL and NFLPA lawyers were admist discussions for a settlement before Magnuson ruled.



http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ar2eWWOseAeiaef2I1XxYqBDubYF?slug=jc-starcapssettlementtalks052909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I wouldn't be suprised if the NFL started talking a settlement with Peter Ginsberg(Kevin & Pat Williams Lawyer). Kevin & Pat have a bit more leverage now as it is obvious the league doesn't want this thing to get to MN State Courts so maybe they can work this out. Also I don't think Peter Ginsberg will try to push for a new appeal structure from the NFL so that hurdle shouldn't be there.

I agree, and I think it would be smart for both sides. If the case is heard in state courts and the players win, then that looks bad for the NFL and sets a precedence. For the Williamses, if they were to lose, then they have to serve that 4 game suspension, they may not get their lawsuit money, but they'd at least get to play and not have to forfeit their paychecks.

The Dynasty
05-31-2009, 10:11 PM
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu116/blackjoker89/ChildressWig.jpg

All I have to say with this picture is wtf...Jared Allen told him to get it so at least it wasn't his idea.

Here are some of the Highlights of the Minicamp this past weekend.

The Vikings have more OTAs starting Tuesday. They are not mandatory, but Brad Childress said everyone is invited. We’ll have more this week, but here is a recap from the weekend.

* The competition between Sage Rosenfels and Tarvaris Jackson heated up as Childress said both quarterbacks had bright moments this weekend. It’s hard to tell if one moved ahead of the other, but I will say I thought Rosenfels had a very good practice today. He looked sharp throwing the ball, particularly in team drills. He threw a perfect ball to Bernard Berrian over two defenders for a touchdown and he connected with Percy Harvin on a superb touchdown catch in the corner of the end zone. Both Jackson and Rosenfels seemed to get equal reps with the first team.
* The story of the weekend was Harvin. It doesn’t take a football genius to see that he is a special talent. His speed and athletic ability stand out whether it’s individual drills, 7-on-7 or full team drills. He definitely created a buzz amongst players, team personnel and media members with his versatility and playmaking. The Vikings now have two dynamic playmakers in Adrian Peterson and Harvin.
* Childress didn’t seem too inclined to add the Wildcat formation to his playbook last season, but Harvin’s arrival has sparked new ideas. Chester Taylor looked pretty comfortable taking the direct snap too, but Harvin seems to be a natural at it. Offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell said the coaches have put in roughly 15 new plays just for Harvin, which tells you what they think of his talent.
* Antoine Winfield’s absence was the big story Friday because of his contract situation. Childress said Winfield missed all three days to attend the funeral of his close friend’s mother. Childress declined to say whether it was an excused absence. We’ll see how this situation plays out this week and whether Winfield shows up for the voluntary OTAs.
* It was great to see Kenechi Udeze back on the field after missing last season while battling leukemia. Udeze said he still has some physical hurdles to clear, but he looked extremely happy to be back with his teammates. It’s too early to even guess how much he can contribute this season, but he seems very determined to make it all the way back.
* The Vikings did a solid job filling in after E.J. Henderson suffered a season-ending foot injury, but the defense looks so much stronger with Henderson at middle linebacker. Defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier said Henderson’s return “does my heart some good.” Henderson appeared to be 100 percent and was moving around well.
* I talked to Sidney Rice after practice today and he said his right knee gave him no problems this weekend. Rice made a difficult touchdown catch on the final play of the minicamp. I still think he can be a key part of the offense if he can stay healthy.
* Childress said center John Sullivan showed that “he can handle his own in there.” Sullivan is going to be the starting center and Childress said he’s comfortable with that position. Veteran Matt Birk made all the calls at the line when he was here and Sullivan seems to be handling that responsibility well. Rosenfels said he hasn’t detected any problems or any hesitancy from Sullivan in that regard.
* Rookie right tackle Phil Loadholt had a false start penalty in team period Saturday and will have more growing pains, but I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t win that job. Loadholt is just enormous with long arms, plays physical and seems to move well. Loadholt and Bryant McKinnie would give the Vikings a massive tackle tandem.
* Both Childress and Frazier said second-year safety Tyrell Johnson is vastly improved and benefitted greatly from starting in place of an injured Madieu Williams last season. Judd will have more on that tomorrow.
* It should be a good competition between Albert Young and rookie Ian Johnson for the No. 3 running back job.
* Judd pointed this out today but tight end Visanthe Shiancoe just looks completely confident catching the ball. It’s amazing how much he improved last season, especially his confidence.
* I think it’s safe to say Peterson is not going to show up at training camp weighing 230 pounds. Peterson said he lowered his body fat, added six pounds of muscle and now weighs 216.

FlyingElvis
06-01-2009, 01:10 PM
Kenechi Udeze returning is great news. It will take time to get back into playing shape but he will bring a ton of motivation to the entire team. Scary, really, now that Allen is in and the secondary addes some help.


Sidney Rice . . . who? lol. Like a 3rd WR will see many touches in the Vikes offense. :rolleyes:

BuckNaked
06-01-2009, 06:52 PM
I just cant bring myself to the notion of rallying for somebody named sage. What a truly ridiculous name.

vikes_28
06-01-2009, 07:52 PM
I just cant bring myself to the notion of rallying for somebody named sage. What a truly ridiculous name.

maybe he sweats the sweet smell of SAGE!