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Vikes99ej
11-10-2010, 12:10 AM
I don't give a ****, this Wolves season is done, College Basketball has already started and I need something to look forward to. So who are the Wolves going see get taken taken four spots ahead of them with the number one pick in the draft? I'd love to have Irving or Jones on the team.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-11-2010, 12:04 PM
Hate to say it bro but the Wiz will win the lottery again next year, with the 8th worst record. Really though for the Wolves it's tough because all of the top guys in the draft are swing men or stretch 4's. You guys are pretty much loaded with swingmen and PF's. You definitely should go PG or Center. Jared Sullinger IMO is the best big guy in the draft but don't think he fits well with Love, that's assuming Love is still a T'wolve. Right now I guess I'd say that Irving is the safest pick for you, even though I'm a bigger Brandon Knight fan. I just think drafting Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones will just create a further log jam and make someone like Wes Johnson into a wasted pick. BTW call me crazy but I'm expecting big things from Wally Judge this year.

Vikes99ej
11-11-2010, 08:39 PM
Enes Kanter is ineligible for the year... can he still go into the draft?

WMD
11-11-2010, 08:55 PM
The Pistons should have the #1 or #2 pick. Make it happen!

J-Mike88
11-11-2010, 10:58 PM
This just in: The Timberwolves will get screwed in the lottery and drop from the #1 favored spot down to the #4 pick in the lottery.
Not that there's any franchize HOFers in this draft.

sweetness34
11-12-2010, 01:29 AM
Meyers Leonard. Learn this name because he's going to blow up. He's not a 2011 prospect, but looking toward 2012 he has a chance to be lottery.

He's 7 feet. Good size. Insane athleticism. Moves well. Runs the floor like a deer. Has high rebounding potential. Good shot blocker. Moves his feet well. Shows a respectable post game for his age. Has stepped out and knocked down the open 12-15 footer. He's also shown some passing ability.

He's a little thin right now, but a summer of strength training/season in the physicality that is the Big 10 will help him immensely. He also gets a little lost on both ends, but he came from a small school in Illinois and hasn't had much traditional big man coaching/competition.

But his upside is ridiculous. Richmond gets a lot of pub as our burger boy, prized recruit, but Meyers has a higher upside, a much higher upside because of his physical tools.

The main reason I think people are going to look at him though and fall in love with his game is because he has a mean streak. He's tough as hell and competitive as hell. In fact, he needs to tone it down a few notches as he gets pissed off pretty easily and it can be a detriment to his play. He's definitely a player you'll love to hate because he's kind of a tool, but he's far from a finesse center. He's a power center with high offensive potential

I truly believe he has a chance to be a big time draft prospect so long as he keeps working on his game, which shouldn't be a problem. Usually it's easier to tone down a guy than spark fire out of thin air. Meyers doesn't want to go around you he wants to go through you.

Here, check this video out and see his potential;

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What is scary is that Leonard has the physical tools to be great and he has the attitude/work ethic to get there. Dude never takes a play off and from all practice accounts is one of the hardest working guys day in and day out.

I don't pimp Illini prospects too often, but Meyers is going to be on lottery draft boards next year. Hell, I bet he starts getting some pub after people see his raw potential this year. He's truly a "prospect" in every sense of the word, but I believe he's a low risk/high reward type prospect that you won't regret taking.

D-Unit
11-12-2010, 03:56 AM
Josh Selby is ma boy. Period.

EvilNixon
11-12-2010, 06:26 AM
Perry Jones makes me cream my pants so much.

Vikes99ej
11-12-2010, 11:26 AM
**** everyone on the Wolves, I want Perry Jones too

yo123
11-12-2010, 12:31 PM
Not gonna lie I have seen absolutely nothing from Perry Jones other than a few highlight videos but with Beasley and Wes already here STRIP is right, we would be much better served going after Irving or Knight, or maybe hoping that a big plays well enough to elevate his draft status to where we're going to be picking. Sullinger is going to be a beast this year and again I've only read and seen highlight videos on him but everything is telling me he's going to be a better college player than a pro. He's not a great athlete, plays K-Love's position, and at 6'9 I can't really see him playing a lot of center.

adschofield
11-15-2010, 10:06 PM
One sleeper that I think people should be aware: Tyshawn Taylor. I've noticed he's not getting much love from the mocks I've seen, but honestly, he's got the most pro-potential of anyone that I've seen play at Kansas for a while. He's got a great size/speed combo to run the point in the NBA. He's great defensively with some good length. And he's always had the speed and quickness to attack the basket. The big thing for him was always decision making and 3-pt shot, but it looks like he worked on that over the off-season. He's been running the point for KU in our first few games and he's looked great. He's always been able to make some sick passes, but he's cut down on the mistakes. And he's shown the ability to knock down the open 3. Obviously, it's one thing to do it against Valpo and Longwood and another to do it against teams like K-State and Baylor, but he's a guy to look out for.

Chucky
11-15-2010, 10:07 PM
I'm ******* pumped for the Raps to grab Harrison Barnes. Him and Demar would be nice on the wings.

Vikes99ej
11-16-2010, 03:22 PM
Perry Jones looked really nice today, living by the rim. Had a double-double.

djp
11-16-2010, 03:37 PM
Baylor played La Salle, not exactly a juggernaut.

T-RICH49
11-16-2010, 04:00 PM
Marcus Morris is a sleeper.not sating he should go #1 but if he declares whoever gets him will be very happy

RaiderNation
11-16-2010, 04:17 PM
Perry Jones stands out to me for this year. 6'11 230lbs SF. Him, Tyreke and Cousins? That would be crazy

thenewfeature06
11-16-2010, 04:21 PM
Harrison won't declare! You heard it here first!

SeanTaylorRIP
11-16-2010, 04:23 PM
I still stick by my Rashard Lewis comparison until he develops more post moves. Of course he's more athletic though which gives several advantages.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-16-2010, 04:24 PM
Harrison won't declare! You heard it here first!

And neither was Ed Davis.

sweetness34
11-16-2010, 04:25 PM
...or Mike Conley, Greg Oden and any other player that said they were staying or wanted to graduate.

thenewfeature06
11-16-2010, 04:25 PM
I saw video of it though!!!!!! na but seriously I feel that he won't unless the season stops after next year or something crazy.

He talks like our president.

derza222
11-16-2010, 05:41 PM
I'm bound to do a homer corner post at some point about all of the potential Villanova draftees now and down the road, but in the meantime I will say that people talk about Maalik Wayns and Mouph Yarou, but I think our best NBA prospect may be Dominic Cheek. Somehow he's the forgotten guy, but he's got everything you look for in an NBA wing IMO, he's got a chance to be a great player in the league. Maybe not a go-to guy, but a player who knows his role and does a great job of it. Wes Johnson-esque, only as a smaller guy, but plenty of size to play the wing in the league.

As far as this class goes Perry Jones has ridiculous upside, Barnes should be a really solid player, and Irving is my favorite PG. Sullinger I like a lot but he's going to get pushed down to his perceived (perhaps correctly) lack of upside. He'll be a hell of a college player though. My favorite "sleeper" in this freshman class (mentioned him in the NBA thread) is CJ Leslie...ridiculous athlete and enough skills to possibly transition to the 3 long-term, though he's probably best served bulking up and being a stretch 4. He's going to have the opportunity to play a lot in a solid conference, so his development will be interesting to watch. Don't think he's a one and done though.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-16-2010, 06:13 PM
Love Cheek's potential especially defensively, not sure about the Wes Johnson comparison though because Johnson had the silkiest jumper in college last year. I see Cheek's offense coming more in a scrapper type role.

derza222
11-16-2010, 08:37 PM
Love Cheek's potential especially defensively, not sure about the Wes Johnson comparison though because Johnson had the silkiest jumper in college last year. I see Cheek's offense coming more in a scrapper type role.

He and Johnson are completely different players, didn't mean the comparison that way. I just meant starting caliber wing, good defense, spot up for threes, get some garbage buckets. Not a first option, but a do-everything role player who can be an important part of a good team. They can fill similar roles, but definitely very different players. Not sure about an actual comparison for Cheek since he's got legit size for a 2 and rebounds and defends so well along with the ability to knock down the 3, we haven't seen a similar off guard come out in a little while. I'll think about it, but more just saying I really like him as a prospect. If he works on his game he's a do everything 2 guard prospect. Would love to see him next to Rose someday.

Now that I think about it, the closest I can think of is a slightly less athletic and bulky Pietrus but a better ball handler.

Bearsfan123
11-16-2010, 10:51 PM
I want the Bulls to target a guy like Buford, but if he's not available, im hoping for a backup PG like Kemba Walker.

sweetness34
11-16-2010, 10:59 PM
Draymond Green is an interesting player to watch. He's a well rounded player, albeit undersized for a PF at 6'6". But he can shoot it, post up and he's silky smooth with the basketball.

He has a chance to be a good rotation big in the NBA. Love his game. Plus he's a leader with top notch intangibles.

Vikes99ej
11-17-2010, 12:44 AM
Idk if it's just me, but Sullinger looks like a ******* fatass.

Texas Homer
11-17-2010, 02:08 AM
I voted Irving, but I could see Sullinger.

As a Rockets fan, I wouldn't mind 2/3 Jordan Hamilton or Kyle Singler....or then again maybe the best big man available for them.

thenewfeature06
11-17-2010, 03:18 PM
Draymond Green is an interesting player to watch. He's a well rounded player, albeit undersized for a PF at 6'6". But he can shoot it, post up and he's silky smooth with the basketball.

He has a chance to be a good rotation big in the NBA. Love his game. Plus he's a leader with top notch intangibles.

I think his style of play is comparible to Big Baby for Boston yet I like Green better as a talent and his bball IQ.

yo123
11-17-2010, 04:12 PM
Reminds me of an undersized Greg Monroe. Maybe he gets a second round flyer.

Vikes99ej
11-21-2010, 10:55 PM
One player on the Gophers I was looking out for was Rodney Williams, but he's looked disappointing so far this season.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-21-2010, 10:57 PM
One player on the Gophers I was looking out for was Rodney Williams, but he's looked disappointing so far this season.

People were hyping him up way too much based on physical tools and raw talent. He's never shown the ability to put it together. Needs to stay in school and actualy prove to be a consistent threat.

prock
11-21-2010, 10:59 PM
People were hyping him up way too much based on physical tools and raw talent. He's never shown the ability to put it together. Needs to stay in school and actualy prove to be a consistent threat.

I wish it was Royce on the Gophers and Rodney off being a piece of ****.

yo123
11-21-2010, 10:59 PM
Rodney has just made absolutely no progress with his offensive skills. He can't hit his jumper, can't handle the ball and can't create for others. At this point he's only good for put back dunks, running the floor, and solid defense. No way I would even draft him at this point despite his absolutely insane athleticism.

SickwithIt1010
11-22-2010, 08:56 PM
do you guys think Irving will be a one and done? Dont see many at Duke, most of em end up stayin for a couple years at least.

derza222
11-22-2010, 11:20 PM
do you guys think Irving will be a one and done? Dont see many at Duke, most of em end up stayin for a couple years at least.

Barring something weird with happening with the league that keeps a bunch of players out of the draft, yeah. Guys like Irving and Barnes seem like the kind of kids who might stay, but it's tough to pass up the money and risk injury. They can always go back for their degree, but when it comes to the NBA you strike while the iron is hot. Unless he struggles this year or still has something to prove to NBA scouts, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen, I'd expect him to leave.

Vikes99ej
11-23-2010, 12:08 AM
Please get Irving or Knight, Wolves.

Bearsfan123
11-23-2010, 10:29 AM
Kemba Walker's Stats:Season Averages
MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
31.3 30.3 5.3 2.7 1.3 2.0 2.0 .0 1.3 .509 .871 .353 1.60

That's pretty damn impressive. The only two stats that are not are assists and blocks. I think he can be a very good sixth man, scoring point off the bench. If he is a starter type guy, maybe King Monta is a good comparison?

Vikes99ej
11-23-2010, 11:11 AM
I won't look at an NBA prospect unless he's at least 6'2.

prock
11-23-2010, 09:00 PM
Holy Brandon Knight! GIMME GIMME GIMME!

WMD
01-17-2011, 01:01 AM
Does this draft class suck as much as it appears to suck? Can I get some knowledge please?

Will there be any non-foreign 7 foot Centers in the draft?

Is Kemba Walker really the master and the ruler of the world?

Brodeur
01-17-2011, 01:03 AM
Can I switch my vote from Harrison Barnes to Kyrie Irving? Because Harrison Barnes is pretty ******* terrible. And yes, this draft class sucks ass.

yo123
01-17-2011, 02:16 AM
This draft class is a ******* disaster. It's Irving, Perry and Terrence Jones, Sullinger, or bust. Brandon Knight could be Brandon Jennings volume 2 but oh well. I mean there is a couple guys later on in the first round that I like, like Nolan Smith but overall holy **** this is bad. Even Sullinger isn't ever going to be an all star, he has a really high floor but a pretty low ceiling.

Vikes99ej
01-17-2011, 02:20 AM
I still want Irving or Knight for my Wolves.

yo123
01-17-2011, 02:21 AM
I'd have to agree. Ridnour has been playing pretty well of late actually but he's clearly not the answer. We're really a PG away from being a decent team, but I'm worried that we won't be in position to take Irving, who is a much more sure thing than Knight who doesn't completely fit what we need.

yo123
01-17-2011, 03:47 AM
Also Kemba Walker is pretty insanely overrated right now.

Brodeur
01-17-2011, 10:49 AM
This draft class is a ******* disaster. It's Irving, Perry and Terrence Jones, Sullinger, or bust. Brandon Knight could be Brandon Jennings volume 2 but oh well. I mean there is a couple guys later on in the first round that I like, like Nolan Smith but overall holy **** this is bad. Even Sullinger isn't ever going to be an all star, he has a really high floor but a pretty low ceiling.

Perry Jones isn't exactly lighting it up right now either, but I agree otherwise. Since the Pistons suck more than the Wolves, I am claiming Irving for the Pistons.

JRTPlaya21
01-17-2011, 11:41 AM
Can I switch my vote from Harrison Barnes to Kyrie Irving? Because Harrison Barnes is pretty ******* terrible. And yes, this draft class sucks ass.

I'm all for the switch my friend. I'm glad you have seen the light.

yo123
01-17-2011, 02:18 PM
Perry Jones isn't exactly lighting it up right now either, but I agree otherwise. Since the Pistons suck more than the Wolves, I am claiming Irving for the Pistons.


He's a pretty raw prospect though so I think most people didn't really expect him too. He's not a sure thing but in a ****** class like this it's a chance you have to take.

CashmoneyDrew
01-17-2011, 02:47 PM
I want the Bulls to target a guy like Buford, but if he's not available, im hoping for a backup PG like Kemba Walker.

Why when you already have the greatness that is CJ Watson as your backup?

sweetness34
01-17-2011, 04:49 PM
Stay away from Demetri McCamey. He has all the tools you want in a PG; size, strength, passing, scoring, etc. His intangibles are a huge question mark though. I don't believe he's a leader and he's crumbled with the game on the line this year. I just don't see the 'will to win' in his game a la Deron Williams.

A team will take a chance on his from a physical standpoint, but he really needs to mature mentally. I love watching him play, but he can also be extremely frustrating.

SeanTaylorRIP
01-17-2011, 05:42 PM
It's hard because when you watch him at times it's so difficult not to think he he Dwill ability but if you watch him a whole game he is definitely an early-mid 2nd round prospect. You are right consistency with decision making and intangibles are below average which are the most important traits for a PG.

ccB
01-17-2011, 07:50 PM
I'd like one of the Jones' to the Wizards preaaaaaaaase

Docta
01-17-2011, 08:28 PM
Does this draft class suck as much as it appears to suck? Can I get some knowledge please?

Will there be any non-foreign 7 foot Centers in the draft?

Is Kemba Walker really the master and the ruler of the world?
Fabricio de Melo is 7 foot. I don't know if he'd declare early though.

Bearsfan123
01-17-2011, 09:41 PM
Wow this is gonna be a WEAK class.....hopefully the talent will develop a little more for the next year.

WMD
01-17-2011, 09:48 PM
Is Kyrie expected to declare?

Hope the Pistons can get him..

senormysterioso
01-17-2011, 09:48 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic about the Europeans in this class. Donatas Motiejunas, Enes Kanter, Jan Vasely, Jonas Valanciunas, and Pablo Aguilar all look pretty legit. Of course the Europeans always look like the greatest thing since internet porn and turn out to be Darko...so, we'll see.

Also my boy Jon Leuer from Wisconsin is a guy that you all want on your team!

sweetness34
01-18-2011, 03:25 PM
It's hard because when you watch him at times it's so difficult not to think he he Dwill ability but if you watch him a whole game he is definitely an early-mid 2nd round prospect. You are right consistency with decision making and intangibles are below average which are the most important traits for a PG.

He flows with the game too much instead of putting his foot down and taking over. There comes a time when your best player needs to carry the team and Demetri really hasn't done that consistently.

His physical tools are off the charts. His intangibles...not so much. Deron brought the level of his teammates' play up. Demetri doesn't do that. He really doesn't make the guys around him better and that's my problem with him.

tjsunstein
01-18-2011, 04:05 PM
Terrence Jones to LAC, please! Brandon Knight would be amazing, too. But we'll probably end up with a Jan Vesely.

Just surround Blake!

SeanTaylorRIP
01-18-2011, 05:53 PM
I'd like one of the Jones' to the Wizards preaaaaaaaase

While I wouldn't mind either Perry or Terrence because they are both top 5 picks in my book, the Wizards really have too many stretch 4's/undersized 4's. While I'd prefer Terrence slightly to Perry because of his toughness inside neither projects to be anything but mediocre rebounders in the NBA, and neither is savy enough on the perimeter to constantly be out there. I said it previously but I see Perry Jones upside as a more athletic Rashard Lewis. Potential 20+7 type guy but for a team with guys like Blatche, Rashard, Javale, Booker, and maybe Yi or Thornton I'm not a huge fan of picking either. My ideal pick for the Wizards would be Sullinger who would provide a new dimension and interior toughness instead of Blatche who only plays on the perimter and Javale who just tries funky finger rolls and flip shots because he gets outmuscled from the lane. Jordan Hamilton would be a pretty safe pick for us. A true 3 who would add another shooter to Nick Young. If we are picking outside of the top 5 I wouldn't be opposed to drafting either Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker. They would be the 6th man with the ability at times to play alongside John Wall because of their scoring and shooting ability. Lastly obviously the homer in me but Jordan Williams is exactly the type of player the Wizards need. If he does indeed declare I wouldn't mind reaching on him with as high as the 7th or 8th pick regardless of those who are bound to compare him to Sweetney.

nepg
01-18-2011, 06:38 PM
Sooo...Alec Burks is pretty much bad ass...

Vikes99ej
01-31-2011, 12:26 PM
Is Josh Selby a legit PG prospect?

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
01-31-2011, 11:12 PM
I threw together a quick lottery only mock. Please comment and discuss.

1. - Cavaliers - Jared Sullinger, PF, Ohio State
2. - Timberwolves - Kyrie Irving, PG, Duke
3. - Kings - Josh Selby, PG, Kansas
4. - Raptors - Harrison Barnes, SF, North Carolina
5. - Wizards - Enes Kanter, PF, Turkey
6. - Nets - Perry Jones, SF, Baylor
7. - Pistons - Terrence Jones, SF, Kentucky
8. - Clippers - Derrick Williams, SF, Arizona
9. - Pacers - Jonas Valanciunas, PF, Lithuania
10. - Bucks - Jimmer Fredette, SG, BYU
11. - Warriors - John Henson, C, North Carolina
12. - Rockets - Donatas Motiejunas, PF, Lithuania
13. - Suns - Alec Burks, SG, Colorado

WMD
01-31-2011, 11:27 PM
The Pistons totally don't need a SF. I guess I could see it if we have Greg Monroe at Center and Terrence at PF.. but if we were gonna do that, I'd rather draft Derrick Williams.

yo123
01-31-2011, 11:29 PM
You guys are going to draft John Henson and I'm going to laugh.

WMD
01-31-2011, 11:31 PM
You guys are going to draft John Henson and I'm going to laugh.
You guys will still be the Timberwolves and I'm going to laugh.

Brodeur
01-31-2011, 11:33 PM
You guys are going to draft John Henson and I'm going to laugh.

You guys are going to draft three point guards in the same draft, and trade the one who is actually not a piece of ****. Oh sorry, that already happened.

yo123
01-31-2011, 11:41 PM
You guys will still be the Timberwolves and I'm going to laugh.

You guys are going to draft three point guards in the same draft, and trade the one who is actually not a piece of ****. Oh sorry, that already happened.


Kevin Love>EVERYONE ON YOUR TEAM

And Beasley.

senormysterioso
02-01-2011, 12:28 AM
Kevin Love>EVERYONE ON YOUR TEAM

And Beasley.

Isn't it going to be awesome when Kevin Love and your football team go to L.A. in a year?

Sorry, low blow?

yo123
02-01-2011, 12:33 AM
Isn't it going to be awesome when Kevin Love and your football team go to L.A. in a year?

Sorry, low blow?


The Bucks matter even less than the Wolves, hate to break it to you.

Brodeur
02-01-2011, 12:34 AM
The Bucks matter even less than the Wolves, hate to break it to you.

I'd take Bogut over Love.

prock
02-01-2011, 12:36 AM
Who are the Bucks? Did you mean Buccaneers?

yodabear
02-01-2011, 12:37 AM
I went to a Bucks game. It was against the Heat. The Heat won.

yo123
02-01-2011, 12:40 AM
I'd take Bogut over Love.

I wouldn't but it's not a ridiculous opinion, not sure what that has to do with this though.

MetSox17
02-01-2011, 01:02 AM
At least the Wolves were pretty good during the Troy Hudson/Latrell Spreewell days. The Bucks haven't been relevant since Kareem.

Brodeur
02-01-2011, 01:04 AM
At least the Wolves were pretty good during the Troy Hudson/Latrell Spreewell days. The Bucks haven't been relevant since Kareem.

They've had the same amount of Conference Finals appearances since 2000.

Vikes99ej
02-01-2011, 05:53 PM
Hey man, the Bucks were pretty bomb when they had Sam Cassell, Glenn Robinson and Ervin Johnson

Chucky
02-01-2011, 07:19 PM
Harrison Barnes would be pretty sexy on the Raps. I really want me some Kyrie Irving though. Of course if Donatas Monajfaosdfjsaoidfjsoiijo is available then I'm sure we will take him.

yo123
02-01-2011, 07:25 PM
Harrison Barnes will be a slightly above average NBA player. There isn't anything special about him.

Brodeur
02-01-2011, 07:30 PM
Harrison Barnes will be a slightly above average NBA player. There isn't anything special about him.

I really don't know why you think above average. Anything more than average would shock me.

yo123
02-01-2011, 07:36 PM
Meh, he has an NBA body and has shown some offensive skills even though he's not shooting well this year.

Chucky
02-01-2011, 07:40 PM
I really wish Enes Kanter would have been allowed to play in Kentucky so I could actually see him play

SeanTaylorRIP
02-01-2011, 07:49 PM
He's a bit more skilled although not as strong or athletic but Harrison Barnes plays far too much like Marvin Williams. Really I don't think him nor Perry Jones will be NBA allstars. I think 17-18 ppg is the ceiling for them. Good players but not allstar players. Even Derrick Williams and Terrence Jones are just good players who would be fringe lotter players any other year. It really is a weak draft.

Chucky
02-01-2011, 08:08 PM
Raps really need to lose their way to get som Kyrie Irving.

Is he in the same class as Wall/Rose/Deron/Paul?

SeanTaylorRIP
02-01-2011, 08:23 PM
Raps really need to lose their way to get som Kyrie Irving.

Is he in the same class as Wall/Rose/Deron/Paul?

Tough to say without him playing that much on the collegiate level. Obviously not on the same planet as an athlete as Rose and Wall and not as refined as Deron and Paul but he reminds me a ton of Paul at Wake. I'm not yet convinced he will be a CP3 type distributor on the NBA level but he definitely has more potential than anyone in this draft class.

Vikes99ej
02-01-2011, 08:24 PM
Raps really need to lose their way to get som Kyrie Irving.

Is he in the same class as Wall/Rose/Deron/Paul?

**** you, he's ours.

marshallb
02-01-2011, 08:26 PM
**** you, he's ours.

Damn straight!!!

Chucky
02-01-2011, 08:30 PM
**** you, he's ours.

You guys have Jonny FLynzzzzz.


But ya...Raps must continue to suck to get me some Kyrie Irving

yodabear
02-01-2011, 08:40 PM
You guys have Jonny FLynzzzzz.


But ya...Raps must continue to suck to get me some Kyrie Irving

And don't forget: they also have the Roobster!!!!!!!!!

WMD
02-01-2011, 11:59 PM
Actually, Kyrie belongs to the Pistons.

Vikes99ej
02-08-2011, 12:55 PM
You guys have Jonny FLynzzzzz.


But ya...Raps must continue to suck to get me some Kyrie Irving

I had faith in Flynn coming into this year, but he really is just awful. It sucks that this draft is so loaded at positions we just don't need.

D-Unit
02-08-2011, 12:58 PM
Josh Selby is still my favorite prospect.

T-RICH49
02-08-2011, 01:56 PM
Marcus Morris may get most of the love between him and Markieff but don't sleep on Markieff in the draft.Only thing Marcus has on Kieff is scoring other then that Kieff is better defensively, better rebounder etc.

Rosebud
02-08-2011, 06:54 PM
haven't been paying attention much this year but any true points or athletic centers worthy of a late teens pick?

fenikz
02-08-2011, 07:09 PM
Marcus Morris may get most of the love between him and Markieff but don't sleep on Markieff in the draft.Only thing Marcus has on Kieff is scoring other then that Kieff is better defensively, better rebounder etc.

I love watching them play as well as Thomas Robinson they just have a ton of fun out there, deff playing the game how its supposed to be played.

thenewfeature06
02-08-2011, 07:38 PM
haven't been paying attention much this year but any true points or athletic centers worthy of a late teens pick?

Aren't you a Knicks fan? or?

Anyway to answer your question, as far as UNC guys first, Kendall Marshall is a true point but don't see him coming out this year. John Henson is an athletic center who could be a lottery pick if he comes out even though his game is still raw, needs to get stronger and put on some baby fat.

Zeller isn't the most athletic but he can be a good player in the league.

2 guys I like are Mccamey from Illinois and Jajuan Johnson. I also think that Nolan Smith can be a starting PG in the NBA maybe in that Darren Collison mold.

Vikes99ej
02-12-2011, 02:13 PM
Brandon Knight and Terrence Jones are impressing the hell out of me today. I really want Knight on the Wolves.

RaiderNation
02-13-2011, 12:04 AM
Was not impressed by Perry Jones today. He has the NBA body look, but is very limited right now offensively. He simply cant create his own shot. He is going to be a huge project that probably wont see the floor much in his rookie year IMO if the team is smart

My top 3 prospect
PG Kyrie Irving Duke
PF/C Jared Sullinger Ohio State
SF/PF Derrick Williams Arizona

TitansCJftw
02-13-2011, 12:55 AM
John Henson is an athletic forward

fixed that for you, center?

Vikes99ej
02-15-2011, 12:24 PM
What do you guys think of Terrence Jones on Kentucky?

scottyboy
02-15-2011, 01:01 PM
What do you guys think of Terrence Jones on Kentucky?

I actually like him, and would like him, or Derrick Williams, on the Nets.
would be a nice wing since we start Travis "i'm on your team, stealin' your monies, being really bad" Outlaw

JRTPlaya21
02-15-2011, 01:46 PM
Actually, Kyrie belongs to the Pistons.

Actually, Kyrie is still all ours :)

M.O.T.H.
02-15-2011, 01:51 PM
Outlaw has been disappointing. Too bad you didnt get the 08 version. Back when he was in better health. He was a beast. He's just not what he was anymore.

thenewfeature06
02-15-2011, 02:18 PM
I have heard the Lamar Odom comparison brought up when talking about T Jones. Not a bad comparison to me, looks pretty versatile for his size.

derza222
02-15-2011, 08:09 PM
Yeah Henson is definitely a forward and still needs to put a ton of weight on. Not sure how much NBA scouts will like Marshall as he's not a tremendous athlete, and Zeller will probably be on the round 1 bubble when he comes out but I'm just not sure how much he really brings. For teams looking for a center who can rebound and block shots I'm not sure there's really a better option out there than Keith Benson, who will probably go towards the tail end of round 1 or in round 2 depending on workouts. As for true PG's there's not really much besides Kyrie Irving. Definitely not a great draft class this year.

Also somebody mentioned something about Perry Jones looking really bad. Game I saw a week or two ago he looked tremendous, think it was against Texas A&M though I could be wrong. Had some nice moves in the post, obviously a tremendous athlete who runs the floor well and has a lot of skills. So much potential, but I don't like the fact that he's really never won at any level despite being having basically everything you'd want in a big guy in HS or college, and he's still got to bulk up and put in a lot of work to get there obviously. I saw a Tim Thomas comparison for him in a recent article and, while Thomas isn't really a recent guy, it definitely rang true to me. In a week draft he's probably the best of the bunch in terms of upside and it's got to be him or Irving if you're drafting at the top IMO, outside of maybe Sullinger but I just don't love the ceiling on him. Kevin Love's success should help him though, similar build and athleticism and he's got some decent skill too.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-15-2011, 08:19 PM
I have heard the Lamar Odom comparison brought up when talking about T Jones. Not a bad comparison to me, looks pretty versatile for his size.

I think Terrence Jones is more Jeff Green than Lamar Odom.

thenewfeature06
02-15-2011, 08:20 PM
Yeah I watched him tonight a little more, Lamar has a little more handle and prolllllllllllllllllllllllllly a little taller.

I still like T Jones though.

EDIT - I also really like William Buford, is it crazy to say he could be a better pro than Sullinger?

prock
02-15-2011, 08:47 PM
Yeah I watched him tonight a little more, Lamar has a little more handle and prolllllllllllllllllllllllllly a little taller.

I still like T Jones though.

EDIT - I also really like William Buford, is it crazy to say he could be a better pro than Sullinger?

When I watched OSU in person against the Gophs, Buford was the most impressive player in the first half before Sullinger kind of took over in the second half, but he could be a very good pro.

derza222
02-15-2011, 08:53 PM
I think Terrence Jones is more Jeff Green than Lamar Odom.

I like that. Not sure he's quite as polished as Green was when he came out, maybe a little Green/Anthony Randolph mix although I might just be saying that because I want to compare Jones to a lefty.

thenewfeature06
02-15-2011, 09:00 PM
I would say Josh Smith before I would say AR probably. I have seen T Jones go hard to the hoop more than a couple times and Randolph seems brittle but shot wise maybe.

derza222
02-15-2011, 09:06 PM
Smith does make some sense as well, and you're right about the stylistic differences. He's got a lot of good characteristics for a combo forward, a lot better than most of the ones who have come out recently IMO.

WMD
02-15-2011, 09:25 PM
Who are the ATHLETIC FREAKS of this potential draft class?

thenewfeature06
02-15-2011, 09:26 PM
Off the top of my head, Buford is pretty athletic.

DeAndre Liggins from UK as well.

yo123
02-15-2011, 10:00 PM
Who are the ATHLETIC FREAKS of this potential draft class?

John Henson is pretty athletic but he's going to suck. Travis Leslie is a pretty ridiculous athlete.

derza222
02-15-2011, 10:02 PM
CJ Leslie is a ridiculous athlete but he's got some attitude issues to work out. Probably will leave after this year though, so he'll be in the class.

thenewfeature06
02-16-2011, 08:42 AM
John Henson is pretty athletic but he's going to suck. Travis Leslie is a pretty ridiculous athlete.

Yo! At least use a different word.

I can't REALLY disagree though but he scares me. He started this year at like 205 but is still really lanky. Brandon Wright anybody? :(

Leslie is probably the best athlete out there haha and another guy I like is Scotty Hopson but I have never really liked his attitude.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-19-2011, 05:24 PM
Just a little input from me since I haven't said much on this draft, but being such a weak class with raw guys who will go higher than they should, Derrick Williams is my #1 overall pick. He is just so refined and efficient. IMO he's as sure as a bet in this draft to be a solid 15+7 guy at least and be a very good #2 on a team or elite #3. I just think his skill set is very developed. IMO he's the Brandon Roy of wings and he will at the least be a solid pro.

yo123
02-19-2011, 05:25 PM
I still haven't even seen Derrick Williams play, but his numbers are just insane this year. 64% shooting from a wing is unheard of.

Chucky
02-19-2011, 05:30 PM
STRIP...how do you think Derrick Williams and Deron would work together?

SeanTaylorRIP
02-19-2011, 05:49 PM
I still haven't even seen Derrick Williams play, but his numbers are just insane this year. 64% shooting from a wing is unheard of.

66% from the 3 point line, and 77% from the free throw line, he averages a ridiculous 2.14 points per shot attempt. To be clear though he's a PF in college and actually could very well be that in the NBA with his size. I only call him a wing because he does have perimeter skills and quickness but if he's a 3/4 tweener he's closer to a 4 but capable of playing the 3 kind of like Lamar Odom.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-19-2011, 05:50 PM
STRIP...how do you think Derrick Williams and Deron would work together?

Deron? Why would the Jazz have a top 5 pick?

KCJ58
02-19-2011, 06:14 PM
I can only picture Derrick Williams in a Cavs uniform

Chucky
02-19-2011, 06:27 PM
Deron? Why would the Jazz have a top 5 pick?

Mean Derozan haha.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-19-2011, 07:00 PM
Mean Derozan haha.

I don't see any problem with it, Williams would have to play the post more though since both do their damage inside of the arch for the most part. Defensively Derozan should be guarding SF's not SG's, but Williams is a better defensive fit at the 4 anyways. Bigger problem is Bargnani and Williams would be such a smallish front court. Raps have too many 3/4 tweeners already with Bargnani, Kleiza, and Amir. Honestly I'm not sure I would draft Williams with Ed Davis there and the above mentioned guys. IMO Sullinger would be the ideal pick for the Raps because while he isn't a natural 5 in the NBA he would definitely be the toughest guy on that roster.

Bearsfan123
02-24-2011, 05:17 PM
Okay now the Bulls have two picks in this terrible draft. Kenneth Faried and Klay Thompson baby!!!! WOOOOO... *goes and cries in the corner*

SeanTaylorRIP
02-24-2011, 05:22 PM
2 players in the late first who will be studs in the NBA: Norris Cole and Marshon Brooks.

JoeJoeBrown
02-24-2011, 05:31 PM
Any thoughts by NBA gurus on Lighty, Buford, or Diebler?

I think that Lighty and Diebler both have a chance. Buford is a no brainer if he leaves. Late first rounder.

I still think Lighty would make a fantastic WR or TE in the NFL.

derza222
02-24-2011, 05:36 PM
2 players in the late first who will be studs in the NBA: Norris Cole and Marshon Brooks.

One thing that makes me question Brooks is, while he's super productive in the best conference in the country, his supporting cast is pretty bad, he has to do it all there, and they don't win. How's he going to adapt to a more realistic role at the NBA level? Very different players but similar situation to Dominique Jones coming out of USF last year.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-24-2011, 05:40 PM
I see him as a 6th man Jamal Crawford role. Not saying he's an allstar or great starter, but I think for where he will be drafted he will be a productive NBA player compared to all the busts that will be in the top 20. Norris Cole however is a guy I am not afraid to say I believe has allstar potential. I think he compares favorably to a tougher Stephen Curry. I'm obviously higher on him though than most but I just love his game. Pretty good passer, good rebounder for his size and a picture perfect jump shot. His 41 points, 20 rebounds, 9 assist game against Youngstown State is one of the better PG performances I've seen in a long time.

nobodyinparticular
03-06-2011, 09:24 AM
Bump. I'm looking for the best draft site out there. I haven't found a single draft site that compares to a site like this. Apart from Draft Express and the horrid NBAdraft.net, where can I find NBA draft info?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-12-2011, 10:49 PM
It will be so orgasmic if we could get Harrison Barnes to play alongside Wall. Barnes has put himself in consideration for the top pick again. I still think he's too mechanical and lacks great natural quick twitch athletic ability, and his ballhandling is pretty cruddy, but he has prototypical size, a picture perfect jumper, and seems like a really good kid who is always improving. I compare him to Rudy G at UCONN at the same point. With work he can develop into a Joe Johnson type pro. Barnes, Irving, and Derrick Williams are the only guys I consider worthy top 5 picks. IMO in a regular draft Sullinger would be a late lottery pick. As for Perry Jones I just don't like his game. Reminds me too much of Anthony Randolph. Does a bunch of things pretty good and shows sick potential but doesn't appear that he will ever put it together. Too weak to play in the post, not quite skilled enough to be a constant perimeter threat. I think best case scenario is Rashard Lewis. Alec Burks is the one quiet name which has allstar potential. I expect him to have a Paul George type draft stock rise. Two guys I find extremely overrated for the NBA are Fredette and Kemba. I really think late first guys like Marshon Brooks and Norris Cole will out perform them on the next level. I'm a big fan of Kawhi Leonard, I think he will be a very good role player. The two Kentucky boys Jones and Knight IMO are the two biggest boom or bust players. My big sleeper pick other than Cole is Justin Harper. I think he's a future NBA starter. The guy who I think will be overdrafted is Kenneth Faried. I love him as a player and am rooting for him but he is so undersized and limited in skill. I think his stats are a big result of his level of competition. He is the kind of kid who can shock us and become a good pro but I think he's more of a Renaldo Balkman type than a Rodman.

Draft King
03-13-2011, 12:50 AM
Where is Jimmer Fredette going to be picked.

Docta
03-13-2011, 01:26 AM
Derrick Williams isn't a pure shooter. I think he's just going to be a role player in the NBA. Has a good 3-point percentage because he takes quality shots.

Okay now the Bulls have two picks in this terrible draft. Kenneth Faried and Klay Thompson baby!!!! WOOOOO... *goes and cries in the corner*
Faried would be a steal if the Bulls ended up with him. He's the DeJuan Blair of this draft. Bulls don't really need any more big men, but Thomas is aging, and the others get injured often.

@SeanTaylorRIP: Every single year a player falls to the second because they're undersized, and then they become a steal. Millsap, Landry, Glen Davis, Marcus Thornton, Budinger, and Fields are all victims. Faried better not be one this year.

T-RICH49
03-13-2011, 10:39 AM
whatever teams get Marcus and Markief Morris will never regret it.for big guys they are terrific at passing out of double teams

BeerBaron
03-13-2011, 10:57 AM
Where is Jimmer Fredette going to be picked.

Latter part of the top 10 I think. He definitely shouldn't fall out of the lottery selections...he might not bring a whole lot else, but his sniper like shooting ability would do wonders for a lot of teams. Compares to someone like Steph Curry.

I think this is a really ugly early part of the draft though...some guys with potential but no one who I think can step in and be elite right away.

bearsfan_51
03-13-2011, 11:09 AM
I hope that the Wolves are strongly considering Harrison Barnes if they can't get Kyrie Irving. The combo of Barnes-Beasley at the 2-3 would be really solid. He's like a better Wesley Johnson.

Chucky
03-13-2011, 11:21 AM
Unless the Wolves get rid of Beasley I don't see them taking Barnes. Honestly they should probably take a PG. Flynn is absolute trash and Rubio is never playing in Minny

bearsfan_51
03-13-2011, 11:25 AM
Of course they need a PG, but there's no PG even remotely worth a top 5 pick beyond Irving.

Barnes can play the 2, there's no reason why he couldn't be on the court with Beasley at the same time.

Another option could be Kanter, but I'm more skeptical of him.

Chucky
03-13-2011, 11:26 AM
Of course they need a PG, but there's no PG even remotely worth a top 5 pick beyond Irving.

Barnes can play the 2, there's no reason why he couldn't be on the court with Beasley at the same time.

Another option could be Kanter, but I'm more skeptical of him.

Well, I assume they see Beasley and Wes as their starting wings of the future.

bearsfan_51
03-13-2011, 11:29 AM
Wes hasn't earned that.

The Wolves need someone else in the backcourt who can shoot the 3. Johnson was supposed to provide that but he hasn't. Ridnour can, but he's probably not in the Wolves' longterm plans.

BuckNaked
03-13-2011, 12:21 PM
It will be so orgasmic if we could get Harrison Barnes to play alongside Wall. Barnes has put himself in consideration for the top pick again. I still think he's too mechanical and lacks great natural quick twitch athletic ability, and his ballhandling is pretty cruddy, but he has prototypical size, a picture perfect jumper, and seems like a really good kid who is always improving. I compare him to Rudy G at UCONN at the same point. With work he can develop into a Joe Johnson type pro. Barnes, Irving, and Derrick Williams are the only guys I consider worthy top 5 picks. IMO in a regular draft Sullinger would be a late lottery pick. As for Perry Jones I just don't like his game. Reminds me too much of Anthony Randolph. Does a bunch of things pretty good and shows sick potential but doesn't appear that he will ever put it together. Too weak to play in the post, not quite skilled enough to be a constant perimeter threat. I think best case scenario is Rashard Lewis. Alec Burks is the one quiet name which has allstar potential. I expect him to have a Paul George type draft stock rise. Two guys I find extremely overrated for the NBA are Fredette and Kemba. I really think late first guys like Marshon Brooks and Norris Cole will out perform them on the next level. I'm a big fan of Kawhi Leonard, I think he will be a very good role player. The two Kentucky boys Jones and Knight IMO are the two biggest boom or bust players. My big sleeper pick other than Cole is Justin Harper. I think he's a future NBA starter. The guy who I think will be overdrafted is Kenneth Faried. I love him as a player and am rooting for him but he is so undersized and limited in skill. I think his stats are a big result of his level of competition. He is the kind of kid who can shock us and become a good pro but I think he's more of a Renaldo Balkman type than a Rodman.

I actually don't see how Brandon Knight has any type of bust potential although with the extremely poor shot selection of Jones it is very possible he could end up being one unless he has a good disciplinarian head coach.

Vikes99ej
03-14-2011, 11:05 AM
Wes hasn't earned that.

The Wolves need someone else in the backcourt who can shoot the 3. Johnson was supposed to provide that but he hasn't. Ridnour can, but he's probably not in the Wolves' longterm plans.

Johnson can shoot the 3, he just can't play defense.

yo123
03-14-2011, 11:31 AM
Wes has been streaky, but when he gets hot he doesn't miss and his shot is just too sweet to not come around. He's shown flashes of greatness he's just so damn inconsistent.

yo123
03-14-2011, 11:35 AM
Latter part of the top 10 I think. He definitely shouldn't fall out of the lottery selections...he might not bring a whole lot else, but his sniper like shooting ability would do wonders for a lot of teams. Compares to someone like Steph Curry.

I think this is a really ugly early part of the draft though...some guys with potential but no one who I think can step in and be elite right away.


Steph Curry's PG skills were 1000x ahead of Jimmer's though. Better passer, better floor vision, better basketball IQ, and a better ballhandler. The only things I really see similar between the two is they suck defensively and they can shoot.

Brodeur
03-14-2011, 12:35 PM
Johnson can shoot the 3, he just can't play defense.

Probably because he's a 3 stuck at the 2.

yo123
03-14-2011, 12:40 PM
Probably because he's a 3 stuck at the 2.

Exactly this. He tries hard on defense which is more you can say about half of our team he just shouldn't be guarding 2's. He's not nearly quick enough.

Which is why we should deal Beasley.

Pil
03-15-2011, 12:13 PM
Can Perry Jones play the 3? He has the handles, length, and lateral quickness imo.

prock
03-15-2011, 01:19 PM
Exactly this. He tries hard on defense which is more you can say about half of our team he just shouldn't be guarding 2's. He's not nearly quick enough.

Which is why we should deal Beasley.

Michael Beasley has just gotten worse as less efficient as the year goes on. We need to trade him before everyone realizes that he is regressed. And Wes will be better.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-15-2011, 01:33 PM
Everyone needs to keep their eye on Justin Harper in the tourny. He's basically the mid major version of Derrick Williams and will be a late first-mid 2nd steal. Incredibly effecient and versatile.

RaiderNation
03-15-2011, 02:01 PM
If Harrison Barnes had somewhat of a consistant jumpshot he would be a top 3 prospect of mine this year. He needs to develop a left hand but he already has the size and speed to start at SF. He gets good looks at the basket, just needs a good shooting coach. I think he will stay another year at UNC though with that promising young team.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-15-2011, 02:14 PM
Bill Simmons and Chad Ford were on the BS report yesterday, and Ford said the T'Wolves love Jimmer.

prock
03-15-2011, 02:16 PM
Bill Simmons and Chad Ford were on the BS report yesterday, and Ford said the T'Wolves love Jimmer.

****. That is the last thing I wanted to hear.

yo123
03-15-2011, 04:13 PM
Well he fits what we need, or one of the many things anyway, but where we're going to be picking he would be a giant reach to say the least....just give me Kyrie please. Just let the draft work out for us once.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-15-2011, 04:18 PM
I think Alec Burks would be perfect for the Wolves, sliding Wes to 3. Burks has monster potential, needs to work on that jumper but I think even he and Flynn would work well of each other.

BeerBaron
03-15-2011, 04:21 PM
Well he fits what we need, or one of the many things anyway, but where we're going to be picking he would be a giant reach to say the least....just give me Kyrie please. Just let the draft work out for us once.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/BeerBaron/WolvesIrving.jpg

Only took me 7 tries, maybe you'll get lucky. I hope you like Barnes and Williams, because that's who it was every other time.

marshallb
03-15-2011, 04:23 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/BeerBaron/WolvesIrving.jpg

Only took me 7 tries, maybe you'll get lucky. I hope you like Barnes and Williams, because that's who it was every other time.

Oh yay, another SF when half the players on our team are SF.

yo123
03-15-2011, 04:23 PM
I think Alec Burks would be perfect for the Wolves, sliding Wes to 3. Burks has monster potential, needs to work on that jumper but I think even he and Flynn would work well of each other.


Well I don't want Flynn working off anyone but I agree on Burks I really like him, I didn't get to see a whole lot of him this year which is why I'm kinda pissed Colorado didn't make the tournament but it seems like he has a great overall game. Does a good job of creating his own shot which is something no one on this team can do other than Beasley. Just wish he could make threes.

Chucky
03-15-2011, 04:23 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/BeerBaron/WolvesIrving.jpg

Only took me 7 tries, maybe you'll get lucky. I hope you like Barnes and Williams, because that's who it was every other time.

If the Raps pick a foreign player over Harrison Barnes I will lose it.

yo123
03-15-2011, 04:25 PM
I think Barnes' stock is higher than #7 by now, he's really picked it up lately and with a big tournament he's back in the top 3.

BeerBaron
03-15-2011, 04:27 PM
It probably needs the rankings updated, I was just seeing how many times it would take for the Wolves to get Irving.

Brodeur
03-15-2011, 04:28 PM
I think Alec Burks would be perfect for the Wolves, sliding Wes to 3. Burks has monster potential, needs to work on that jumper but I think even he and Flynn would work well of each other.

Flynn would work better off of Trajon Langdon.....in the Euro League.

WMD
03-15-2011, 07:08 PM
I heard something about Sullinger maybe staying at OSU? Anyone have some inside info?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-16-2011, 03:18 PM
Don't forget about Kanter, if he looks good in workouts I'd take him over Sullinger in a heart beat even with the year out. A big man with his type of game doesn't come around often with all of these soft stretch 4's nowadays.

Hurricanes25
03-16-2011, 03:20 PM
STRIP or anybody else, in your opinion how does St. John's Dwight Hardy translate to the NBA?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-16-2011, 03:25 PM
STRIP or anybody else, in your opinion how does St. John's Dwight Hardy translate to the NBA?

He'll make someone's summer league team, but the D-league is most likely his future. He's a SG in a PG's body. Doesn't do anything well on an NBA level other than scoring, and even that with bigger/faster guys in the NBA he might struggle. More talented scorers have failed to make it to the league. It wouldn't entirely shock me to see him make an NBA roster but it's unlikely. Probably a similar career path to Kenny Satterfield.

Hurricanes25
03-16-2011, 03:29 PM
He'll make someone's summer league team, but the D-league is most likely his future. He's a SG in a PG's body. Doesn't do anything well on an NBA level other than scoring, and even that with bigger/faster guys in the NBA he might struggle. More talented scorers have failed to make it to the league. It wouldn't entirely shock me to see him make an NBA roster but it's unlikely. Probably a similar career path to Kenny Satterfield.

Thanks man. But yeah, I figure best case scenario he makes a roster at the end of someones bench. He can create for himself but as you said, there have been more talented scorers who have not made it and he's undersized.

dabears10
03-16-2011, 03:43 PM
He'll make someone's summer league team, but the D-league is most likely his future. He's a SG in a PG's body. Doesn't do anything well on an NBA level other than scoring, and even that with bigger/faster guys in the NBA he might struggle. More talented scorers have failed to make it to the league. It wouldn't entirely shock me to see him make an NBA roster but it's unlikely. Probably a similar career path to Kenny Satterfield.

Stop describing Osiris Eldridge!

ccB
03-16-2011, 05:34 PM
This draft has me feeling completely comfortable because there are like 4-5 prospects (Kanter, Sullinger, Barnes, Williams, and Jones) that I feel are all on the same level and the Wizards are going to end up with one of them.

Hooray for winning the lottery last year when there was a prospect who was clearly head and shoulders above all the rest!

WMD
03-17-2011, 12:25 AM
Hooray for winning the lottery last year when there was a prospect who was clearly head and shoulders above all the rest!

Yes, his name is Greg Monroe, and the Pistons got him.

diabsoule
03-17-2011, 01:06 AM
Bill Simmons and Chad Ford were on the BS report yesterday, and Ford said the T'Wolves love Jimmer.

Bill Simmons was on the BS Report?!!!!!!!?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gCUalDdgQQ8/TIU9FQaPNKI/AAAAAAAAADQ/eflnC_BbJQU/s320/Mind+Blown.bmp

JRTPlaya21
03-19-2011, 04:00 PM
Thompson will return to Texas

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6236917

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-22-2011, 06:14 PM
Ok...I think I have fallen in love with Kenneth Faried. I love the kids non-stop motor, his defense, and his rebounding.

Anyway this kid falls to my Bulls at the end of the 1st round?

Also, can Kemba Walker go in the Top 5? Top 3?

Has Harrison Barnes play the last month thrown him into the mix for number 1 overall?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-22-2011, 07:43 PM
My first mock of the season:

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_mock_drafts/comments/9188

Brodeur
03-22-2011, 07:59 PM
My first mock of the season:

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_mock_drafts/comments/9188

Are you serious?

Chucky
03-22-2011, 08:09 PM
Good pick for the Raps Ghetto. Do you see Kanter as a solid option at the 5 spot?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-22-2011, 08:14 PM
Good pick for the Raps Ghetto. Do you see Kanter as a solid option at the 5 spot?

Gotta see how tall he measures and his wing span but in terms of skill and strength he could definitely hold down a 5 spot in the NBA, and of course a better option at the 5 than Bargs.

Docta
03-22-2011, 08:32 PM
Faried is definitely not going that high. He's undersized so teams are still going to be worried about him. Teams that need help right away don't want to risk it.

Vesely is too low. No way he gets drafted out of the lottery, especially with the league's obsession with foreign players. He's the best international prospect coming out in a while.

dabears10
03-22-2011, 08:33 PM
Faried is definitely not going that high. He's undersized so teams are still going to be worried about him. Teams that need help right away don't want to risk it.

Vesely is too low. No way he gets drafted out of the lottery, especially with the league's obsession with foreign players. He's the best international prospect coming out in a while.

I was perplexed by the Faried pick being that high but it makes some sense. He is a guy who can be a starter for 7 years. In this weak draft that is pretty good.

princefielder28
03-23-2011, 05:53 PM
Nice mock STRIP! I would be very happy with the Bucks' picks

JoeJoeBrown
03-23-2011, 06:18 PM
Gotta see how tall he measures and his wing span but in terms of skill and strength he could definitely hold down a 5 spot in the NBA, and of course a better option at the 5 than Bargs.

Great work, dude!!!

As an OSU fan, I always have valued Lighty higher than a lot of people. You are one of the few that I've seen putting him in the first round. I think he has the potential to be a starter in the league on the right team. Tenacious D and the ability to occasionally be the go to shooter.

He also obviously has the skillset to penetrate and finish.

Increasingly seeing Buford in the first which disappoints me. Selfishly hoping that he comes back to the Buckeyes next season. But it's great news for him if he can get a place in the first.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-24-2011, 03:48 PM
Just randomly thinking of the best player comparisons I could think of:

Kyrie Irving-Russell Westbrook(better shooter but inferior athlete)
Derrick Williams-Antawn Jamison(young Jamison)
Harrison Barnes-Wilson Chandler/Joe Johnson
Jimmer Fredette-Mike Bibby
Enes Kanter-Elton Brand
Perry Jones-Anthony Randolph/Rashard Lewis
Donatas Motiejunas- Danilo Gallinari
Brandon Knight-Jrue Holiday/Chauncey Billups potential
Terrence Jones-Lamar Odom
Kawhi Leonard-Trevor Ariza
Nolan Smith-Mario Chalmers
Norris Cole-Stephen Curry
Justin Harper-Jeff Green
Marshon Brooks-Jamal Crawford

J-Mike88
03-25-2011, 09:12 AM
Is there anyway the pathetic Timberpuppies could have all 4 of these guys:

-Kyrie Irving
-Derrick Williams
-Kemba Walker
-Jimmer Fredette

Would the Wolves be able to win 30 games in a season then?

thenewfeature06
03-26-2011, 02:47 PM
Jared Sullinger, as of now, is returning for his Sophmore year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6260339

SeanTaylorRIP
03-26-2011, 02:55 PM
I think it would be foolish for him. He's a top 5 pick this year plus Ohio State is losing Diebler and Lighty, maybe Buford, and don't have a super recruiting class coming in. With that said big props and respect to him if he wants to stay although I won't believe it until the deadline passes. Guys always say things like this when they get caught in the emotions of a tough loss. Although next year he could go late lottery to mid first because it's a better draft, it isn't a PF heavy draft which is good for him although with another year a guy like Tristan Thompson could surpass him. As for him as a prospect I'll think he'll be a decent pro but nothing special. Probably like a career 13+7 type guy. Not a franchise changer though.

thenewfeature06
03-26-2011, 03:00 PM
His game doesn't really translate that well to me... another year will help but who knows what could happen, he will probably still dominate next year. He isn't necessarily explosive much at all.. Chuck Hayes/Kurt Thomas but better offensively.. can't find a good comparison for him.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-26-2011, 03:04 PM
His game doesn't really translate that well to me... another year will help but who knows what could happen, he will probably still dominate next year. He isn't necessarily explosive much at all.. Chuck Hayes/Kurt Thomas but better offensively.. can't find a good comparison for him.

Paul Milsap maybe? Although he's not nearly as athletic or quick. I dont' know maybe a poor man's Elton Brand.

thenewfeature06
03-26-2011, 03:14 PM
Elton Brand isn't a bad one, but coming out of Duke Brand probably was probably quicker too, Millsap does similiar things but he can hit outside jumpers.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-26-2011, 03:21 PM
Yeah that's really the problem with Sullinger, in today's game if you can't extend the defense by stepping out you become extremely limited as a player. He'll definitely need to work on that jumper if he decides to stay in school. You can dominate guys in the post on the college level all day but that won't work in the NBA. Just yesterday against Harrelson showed how he can be neutralized against bigger/stronger guys.

thenewfeature06
03-26-2011, 03:50 PM
Yeah Harrelson did his job to a T.

Sully should get that chub to muscle and then he'll be ok.. I am guessing he is done growing?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-26-2011, 04:02 PM
Yeah Harrelson did his job to a T.

Sully should get that chub to muscle and then he'll be ok.. I am guessing he is done growing?

Most likely, and yeah he needs to get stronger. If he is indeed his listed 280 he needs to get in the 265 range but not just losing weight but adding muscle. If he simply just loses wait to become more agile he will lose his biggest strength which is his toughness inside. He doesn't have the mid range game to play the way big baby does.

Bosanac01
03-26-2011, 04:29 PM
I'm always interested in the 2nd round European sleepers.

Since the Hawks (my team) have 2 late picks, can someone name me a few guys (preferably bigs) who might have that sleeper tag this year?

For the past few months I've really done a lot of research.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-26-2011, 04:57 PM
2nd round, for a big Giorgi Shermadini is very intriuging. He isn't ready to come over any time soon though. If he fills into his body he can be a very good rotational big. Xavi Rabaseda is the most intriuging wing but these Spanish players always scare me if they'll ever come over. Look at Juan Carlos Navarro the Wizards waited so long for him that they ended up trading his rights to the Grizzlies for a first rounder, what does he do, leave the Grizzlies to go back home less than a year after trading a first for him. BTW got to love the rumors of Franny pack thinking about signing with the Magic, I think I might be collecting on retirement before Fran Vasquez ever comes to the league. Oh yeah can't forget about Jeremy Tyler either.

BuckNaked
03-26-2011, 05:11 PM
So how about the draft status of guys like DeAndre Ligins and Josh Harrelson?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-26-2011, 05:17 PM
So how about the draft status of guys like DeAndre Ligins and Josh Harrelson?

If Liggins declares he'll likely go undrafted, don't see much incentive for him to declare early. Harrelson has definitey made himself draftable this year. Foot speed and athleticism will be below average in the NBA but his size/strength and ability to offensive rebound and set solid screens will find him on an NBA roster. I'd say mid-late 2nd is his current range with an ability to move up if a team likes him in workouts. Could carve out a solid Joel Pryzbilla type career.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-26-2011, 05:19 PM
http://www.nbadraft.net/draft-buzz-3

LOL, after saying last week after they lost he's coming back Tristan Thompson signs with an agent apparently. Maybe a reaciton to Sullinger going back possibly and it being a weak draft. Another example as I listed earlier as a guy who made a foolish statement while mixed with emotions. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sullinger follow suit.

Docta
03-26-2011, 10:02 PM
2nd round, for a big Giorgi Shermadini is very intriuging. He isn't ready to come over any time soon though. If he fills into his body he can be a very good rotational big. Xavi Rabaseda is the most intriuging wing but these Spanish players always scare me if they'll ever come over. Look at Juan Carlos Navarro the Wizards waited so long for him that they ended up trading his rights to the Grizzlies for a first rounder, what does he do, leave the Grizzlies to go back home less than a year after trading a first for him. BTW got to love the rumors of Franny pack thinking about signing with the Magic, I think I might be collecting on retirement before Fran Vasquez ever comes to the league. Oh yeah can't forget about Jeremy Tyler either.
Navarro and Rubio are stars in Spain, so why would they want to come to the NBA, where they would just be role players? Playing close to home, and being idolized is better than earning more money, and just being another player in the league.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-26-2011, 10:04 PM
Navarro and Rubio are stars in Spain, so why would they want to come to the NBA, where they would just be role players? Playing close to home, and being idolized is better than earning more money, and just being another player in the league.

So why the hell would they declare eligible for the NBA draft then? No one put a gun to their head saying you had to leave the ACB. Guys like that are screwing with NBA teams, if they have no intent to come to the NBA they shouldn't even declare.

holt_bruce81
03-26-2011, 10:10 PM
Willie Reed from St. Louis University will be entering the draft.

Suspended for the whole season along with teammate Kwamain Mitchell from SLU on allegations of sexual Assault.

Reed a 6'9 220 pound Center for the Billikens averaged 12.4 points, 7.9 rebounds and 2.1 blocks per game in the 2009-2010 season.

Docta
03-26-2011, 10:14 PM
So why the hell would they declare eligible for the NBA draft then? No one put a gun to their head saying you had to leave the ACB. Guys like that are screwing with NBA teams, if they have no intent to come to the NBA they shouldn't even declare.
JCN played a whole season for the Grizzlies, then decided to go back. Had he been on a winning team, maybe he would have been swayed to stay. And if Rubio had just been drafted to a team that he liked, he would have played.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-26-2011, 10:44 PM
JCN played a whole season for the Grizzlies, then decided to go back. Had he been on a winning team, maybe he would have been swayed to stay. And if Rubio had just been drafted to a team that he liked, he would have played.

So basically they want to play in the NBA if it's smooth sailing and play with a ton of allstars? Look at Rudy Fernandez he could care less if the Blazers won the title he's whining like a baby because he isn't getting enough playing time to put up stats. Either committ to the NBA or not, it shouldn't depend on situation.

Docta
03-27-2011, 01:25 AM
So basically they want to play in the NBA if it's smooth sailing and play with a ton of allstars? Look at Rudy Fernandez he could care less if the Blazers won the title he's whining like a baby because he isn't getting enough playing time to put up stats. Either committ to the NBA or not, it shouldn't depend on situation.
It's pretty much the same thing as American players forcing trades to get on better teams, but international players actually have somewhere else to go, where they are treated better, and already win.

And the T'Wolves should have known that Rubio wouldn't want to play for them. They had a ton of other options too, so it's not like it's Rubio's fault. At least trade his rights away on draft day to get another pick out of it. (Chargers with Eli Manning)

JETS5128
03-27-2011, 01:32 AM
http://www.nbadraft.net/draft-buzz-3

LOL, after saying last week after they lost he's coming back Tristan Thompson signs with an agent apparently. Maybe a reaciton to Sullinger going back possibly and it being a weak draft. Another example as I listed earlier as a guy who made a foolish statement while mixed with emotions. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sullinger follow suit.

Saw right below that Thomas Robinson is declaring. Not really surprising given the whole situation with his mothers death and everything.

I think he could work his way into the lottery, what about you?

yo123
03-27-2011, 02:38 AM
Rubio is a ******* punk. Fact.

If you don't want to play for a ****** team don't enter the draft. There is no argument.

Grizzlegom
03-27-2011, 07:16 AM
I rarely get an opportunity to discuss any Penn State player even being remotely in the discussion for the draft so I feel the need to bring it up...

What does everyone think about PG Talor Battle and SF/PF Jeff Brooks? I'm sure everyone knows about Battle but Brooks had a really strong senior season and has a great skillset. He's undersized at 6'8" and is a one-year wonder so I don't think he'll get drafted but he's a name to keep an ear out on as I think he could get a shot in someone's camp.

thenewfeature06
03-27-2011, 12:57 PM
Saw right below that Thomas Robinson is declaring. Not really surprising given the whole situation with his mothers death and everything.

I think he could work his way into the lottery, what about you?

I like T Rob, lottery is a little high probably but he can play in the NBA imo.

JETS5128
03-29-2011, 01:18 PM
I like T Rob, lottery is a little high probably but he can play in the NBA imo.

Ye lottery will be tough just because he never got a chance to shine at KU but i really think he can be a good NBA player. Elite athleticism, great rebounder, and he has one of the most impressive bodies (no ****) that I've ever seen on a sophomore. Great defender and really hustles out there as well. He's raw on offense but thats really the only knock on him as a prospect, if he stays then next year he should be a focal point for KU's offense.

Needless to say i really like this kid as a prospect lol

RaiderNation
03-29-2011, 01:32 PM
I dont get why Kemba Walker isnt picked in the lottery in some mocks after the great season he has had.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-29-2011, 03:30 PM
I dont get why Kemba Walker isnt picked in the lottery in some mocks after the great season he has had.

In my newest mock I'll have him going #10 to Charlotte. Would have had him going #8 to Cleveland if I didn't already give them Kyrie #1 overall. Still though Kemba won't ever be anything more than average as a playmaker for others. Also he is short. Probably will measure 6-2' at best. Still though his combination of scoring and solid PG skills deserve a lottery spot. He's definitely behind Kyrie as PG's go, and personally I'd take Knight over him because of potential. Knight is a little bit taller/longer, has more defensive potential, probably will be a better shooter on the NBA level, and has already as a freshman shown the ability to run a team calmly and confidently. Can't really compare to Kemba as a freshman though as AJ Price was running point. I'd say Kemba is either the 2nd or 3rd PG taken. I've heard some scouts consider Alek Burks at PG but I don't see him as a PG at all. Any GM who drafts Jimmer over Kemba deserves their junk to be cut off.

My top 5 PG's are as follows:

1) Kyrie Irving
2a) Brandon Knight
2b) Kemba Walker
3) Norris Cole
4) Nolan Smith
5) Demetri McCamey
After that a ton of combo guards who can make the league. I don't really have Jimmer listed as a PG because I don't think he will be one in the NBA. He projects as a perimter ace off the bench who will most likely have to try to guard SG's in the NBA as he lacks the quickness to guard most PG's at the next level.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-29-2011, 03:54 PM
In my newest mock I'll have him going #10 to Charlotte. Would have had him going #8 to Cleveland if I didn't already give them Kyrie #1 overall.

Who says MJ wouldn't follow the Kahn Model and take point guards with multiple picks in the top 10?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-29-2011, 03:55 PM
Who says MJ wouldn't follow the Kahn Model and take point guards with multiple picks in the top 10?

Charlotte doesn't have 2 top 10 picks, Cleveland does

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-29-2011, 03:56 PM
Charlotte doesn't have 2 top 10 picks, Cleveland does

Well I ****** that joke up.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-29-2011, 03:57 PM
lol haha it's ok

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-29-2011, 04:24 PM
Here is my 2nd thrown together lottery mock

1. CLE - Derrick Williams, PF, Arizona
2. MIN - Kyrie Irving, PG, Duke
3. WAS - Harrison Barnes, SF, North Carolina
4. TOR - Brandin Knight, PG, Kentucky
5. SAC - Kemba Walker, PG, Connecticut
6. UTA - Jared Sullinger, PF, Ohio State
7. DET - Alec Burks, SG, Colorado
8. CLE - Enes Kanter, C, Turkey
9. MIL - Terrence Jones, SF, Kentucky
10. CHA - John Henson, C, North Carolina
11. GS - Kawhi Leonard, SF, San Diego State
12. IND - Kenneth Faried, PF, Morehead State
13. UTA - Jimmer Fredette, SG, BYU

WMD
03-29-2011, 05:00 PM
No to SG for the Pistons. We have somewhere around infinity of those already. We need a PG or a big man.. so, give us Anus Cancer instead.

sbh15
03-29-2011, 05:10 PM
Rubio is a ******* punk. Fact.

If you don't want to play for a ****** team don't enter the draft. There is no argument.

Be happy. You're gonna get a king's ransom for the kid and he's not gonna amount to ****.

yo123
03-29-2011, 05:21 PM
Be happy. You're gonna get a king's ransom for the kid and he's not gonna amount to ****.


Doubt it. Most people know by now that he's not that good.

WMD
03-29-2011, 05:27 PM
Be happy. You're gonna get a king's ransom for the kid and he's not gonna amount to ****.
I doubt they get much for Rubio now. Maybe someone will take a bad contract off their hands.. but I can't imagine many NBA teams would be willing to give up a whole lot for him.

senormysterioso
03-29-2011, 05:37 PM
Here is my 2nd thrown together lottery mock

1. CLE - Derrick Williams, PF, Arizona
2. MIN - Kyrie Irving, PG, Duke
3. WAS - Harrison Barnes, SF, North Carolina
4. TOR - Brandin Knight, PG, Kentucky
5. SAC - Kemba Walker, PG, Connecticut
6. UTA - Jared Sullinger, PF, Ohio State
7. DET - Alec Burks, SG, Colorado
8. CLE - Enes Kanter, C, Turkey
9. MIL - Terrence Jones, SF, Kentucky
10. CHA - John Henson, C, North Carolina
11. GS - Kawhi Leonard, SF, San Diego State
12. IND - Kenneth Faried, PF, Morehead State
13. UTA - Jimmer Fredette, SG, BYU

Do you think that Sullinger is just blowing smoke when he said that he's not declaring or did you just forget that?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-29-2011, 05:43 PM
Couple of things on a value standpoint Derrick Williams and Kanter are the BPA at those draft slots but the Cavs do already have Varejao, Hickson, and Jamison on the books. You want to add one stud big man, but two in the top 10 creates too much of a log jam. The Cavs could use a starting PG, SG, or SF. Also don't understand the Raptors pick much. Can't see how they can pass up on Kanter. You don't want Bargs as your starting Center. Drafting Kanter lets Ed Davis or Bargs play the 4. Even a wing makes more sense. They have Calderon, Bayless, and Barbosa who can play some point. Kemba Walker to the Kings is interesting. Probably would work but he is basically Tyreke Evans but shorter. With two ball dominant guys like that not sure how they'd work together. Evans needs the ball in his hands to be effective. He isn't a spot up shooter. Plus they will probably keep Marcus Thornton who is kind of that role. Sullinger has said so far he's staying in school so I guess that could change, but with that said the Jazz in no way should be drafting a big man. They have Al Jefferson, Paul Milsap, and Derrick Favors in the front line. Maybe if a big drops to their 2nd lottery pick but they shouldn't be drafting one in the first really at all. IMO drafting a SG+SF would give them a great lineup with the mentioned front line and Devin Harris at PG. Alec Burks or Terrence Jones both would make sense. WMD mentioned the Pistons pick, Kanter would definitely make sense. He and Monroe would be a great duo. Terrence Jones to the Bucks is a great pick as is Kawhi to the Warriors. Henson to the Bobcats is another curious pick(btw I'm leaning towards him staying) I know he's a local kid but not sure the fit makes much sense. You are already paying a crap ton to Tyrus Thomas who is very comparable to Henson not sure you want to make that pick. Even Faried would make more sense as would either of the Morris twins. BTW there are 14 teams in the lottery. Working on my mock draft btw, should be posted tonight

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-29-2011, 05:53 PM
Do you think that Sullinger is just blowing smoke when he said that he's not declaring or did you just forget that?

I think he is just blowing smoke...how often do guys that are argued as the potentiall top overall NBA pick go back to school?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-29-2011, 08:48 PM
Updated Mock Draft

First Round

1) Cleveland: Kyrie Irving/PG/Duke: Kyrie seems to be the smartest pick for the Cavs. Baron Davis is not a long term answer. Kyrie is really the only player in the draft with “superstar” potential. Is he on the level as a prospect of Derrick Rose or John Wall? I don’t think so.

2) Minnesota: Enes Kanter/C/Turkey: Could have gone a number of ways with this pick. Obviously Wolves would love to get Kyrie but with him gone I decided to go Kanter. Too early for Knight or Kemba. Two other guys I was considering is Derrick Williams and Harrison Barnes. Williams would be a nice pick but you already have Beasley+Randolph in those hybrid 4 roles. Harrison Barnes I didn’t go with because Wesley Johnson belongs at the 3 and IMO Barnes isn’t convincingly a better player than Johnson. Too early for Burks as well. Kanter is a bull inside, with him at center and Love at PF would create one of the toughest interiors in the association. If only the T’wolves could find a real PG.

3) Washington: Derrick Williams/PF/Arizona: IMO this is a pretty easy pick to make. I know many like Barnes but Williams is a superior player and better fit. Andray Blatche is a complete bum who needs to be traded or released ASAP. Derrick Williams brings exactly what the Wizards front line needs, athleticism, skill, and basketball IQ. I can only dream of getting Williams and finally having a big who knows what it means to pass after they touch the ball.

4) Sacramento: Harrison Barnes/SF/North Carolina: Barnes is perfect for a young team like Sacramento. Donte Green doesn’t appear to be a starter for the future. Barnes fits in perfectly with Reke because of his spot up shooting, and how he won’t be asked to handle the ball a ton.

5) Toronto: Jonas Valanciunas/C/Lithuania: Ideally you’d want Kanter or Barnes but with both gone this was the best available player for the Raps. Only other guy I really considered with this pick is Terrence Jones. Couldn’t go with Burks because he and Derozan together would just be some horrible outside shooting. Jonas would allow Ed Davis to play the 4, and Bargs the 3 if he is still in Toronto. I’d like to see the Raps try to work a deal around Bargs for Granger. Jonas is the player that has risen the most in my mock due to Sullinger possibly staying in school. You’d prefer to keep him over in Europe but IMO even if he comes over right away he’ll be able to block shots, run the floor, and won’t be any worst than Bargs on defense.

6) Utah: Alec Burks/SG/Colorado: I think Burks is a perfect complement for Devin Harris as Harris does have some ability to play off ball. The only thing right now stopping Burks from being a very good NBA player is the range on his jump shot. He definitely has to work on that but between he an Heyward, you’d hope one would develop into a good starting SG.

7) Detroit: Brandon Knight/PG/Kentucky: Instead of reaching on a big man, Knight to me made most sense. I’ve actually compare him to a young Chauncey Billups. Obviously right now his perimter shooting is his best asset but he has shown ability to run point since high school. He also has a ton of defensive potential with his quickness and length. Could have gone Kemba, but Kemba is too similar to what Rodney Stuckey has been.

8 ) Cleveland: Terrence Jones/SF/Kentucky: Best talent available and certainly fit’s a need. Jones can really learn from Jamison how to effectively combine his perimeter and interior skills. He’ll need to work on foot speed to keep up defensively with wings but Jones has as much potential as anyone in this draft. Not a good shooter yet, but does just about everything else well.

9) Milwaukee: Perry Jones/SF/Baylor: Bucks need to go either SF or SG depending on where they want to keep Salmons. Jones is the most talented player available. He will need a lot of time to develop though. He needs to become more comfortable playing on the perimeter as in the NBA he won’t be able to post up guys like in college.

10) Charlotte: Kemba Walker/PG/UCONN: Charlotte needs a ton of help on the front line but I can’t see MJ passing up Kemba. DJ Augustin has not been what the Bobcats hoped he would be. Kemba immediately brings great scoring ability but also some solid PG skills. He’ll need to learn on the fly though as he’d probably be asked to contribute pretty quickly.

11) Golden State: Kawhi Leonard/SF/San Diego State: Golden State has no problem scoring, what they need is defense. Leonard is a long and athletic defender who is very effective slashing through defenses.

12) Utah: Marcus Morris/SF/Kansas: I just don’t see CJ Miles as a long term solution. I think he would be better suited in a 6th man role. Marcus Morris albeit a bit of a tweener has skills to play a number of positions. He reminds me of Joey Graham coming out. I’d like to see him trim down a little bit to improve his foot speed.

13) Phoenix: Kenneth Faried/PF/C/Morehead State: Suns actually already have a ton of solid defensive bigs, but with no talented scoring

14) Houston: Tristan Thompson/PF/C/Texas: Yao Ming is likely done. Houston tried to sign Gortat last summer but failed.

15) Indiana: Jimmer Fredette/G/BYU: Ok I know Larry Bird drafting, Jimmer, it’s too easy. But really the pick makes some sense. The Pacers have a pretty solid starting 5 for the future with Collison/George or Stephenson/Granger/Hansborough/Hibbert. What they lack however is a 2nd scorer to Granger. Jimmer can shoot the ball off the bench. That’s all they need. Jimmer can be a productive NBA player as long as he’s not being asked to be a starting point guard.

16) New York: Donatas Motiejunas/PF/Lithuania: If he drops this far no way is D’Antoni going to pass up on him. Motiejunas is pretty similar to Gallo. Not as smooth with his handle on the perimeter but actually a much better player inside of the 3 point arch.

17) Philadelphia: Markieff Morris/PF/Kansas: Philadelphia’s perimeter rotation is fairly set with Jrue, Turner, and Iggy. The front line needs some beefing up as you can’t expect Elton Brand to continue to stay healthy and play at a high level. There is nothing flashy about Morris but he’s extremely tough inside.

18 ) Minnesota: Norris Cole/PG/Cleveland State: Minnesota needs a PG, bad. I think Norris Cole would be worth the risk. Nolan Smith might be a better defender and more instant contributor, but he projects to nothing more than a backup. Norris Cole is one of the best scorers in the country but also displays some decent PG skills. He also shows a nose for getting rebounds which is incredibly impressive given his size. I’m higher on him than most but I really think he has a chance to be a tougher Stephen Curry.

19) Washington: Jordan Williams/C/Maryland: The best way to build the Wizards is through the front court. Yi will be gone after this year, and hopefully Blatche. With bigs who have such low basketball IQ’s you need to surround John Wall with solid bigs. A rotation now with Javale Mcgee, Derrick Williams, Trevor Booker, Jordan Williams, and Kevin Seraphin should generate a bunch of competition. Ideally in the future you have Williams+Seraphin backing up Mcgee and Booker backing up Derrick Williams.

20) New Orleans: William Buford/SG/Ohio State: After having traded Marcus Thornton for Carl Landry there is an opening for a spot beside Chris Paul. Williams Buford is complete player who appears ready to contribute soon.

21) Portland: Jan Vesely/SF/Czech Republic: With no center available worthy of pickings Vesely is too big of an asset to pass up on. The Blazers have shown a penchant for taking foreign talent, Vesely is another asset for the future to either keep or use as a trading piece.

22) Denver: Justin Harper/PF/SF/Richmond: Justin Harper is like a poor man’s Derrick Williams. IMO drafting him would allow Denver to possibly work a S&T of Gallo. Harper’s inside/out combination is definitely near the top of the draft.

23) Phoenix: Chris Singleton/SF/Florida State: Chris Singleton is a defensive specialist. Long, athletic, and strong. He can guard literally every position on the court. His offense however is incredibly raw at this point in his career.

24) Oklahoma City: Tyler Honeycutt/SG/UCLA: Tyler Honeycutt’s versatility would be incredibly valuable to the Thunder. His defensive ability will probably be his biggest asset in the NBA. He can play SF if he’s in there with Harden or SG if he’s beside Durant.

25) Chicago: Jordan Hamilton/SF/Texas: Chicago needs perimeter shooters bad. Drose can’t carry his team offensively the way he has been this year. In the long run it will be detrimental to his health. Hamilton is an extremely efficient shooter. He needs to work on creating his own shot as well as shot selection but he has a ton of potential.

26) Dallas: Keith Benson/C/Oakland: Tyson Chandler is a free agent I believe and Brendan Haywood is an overpaid mess.

27) New Jersey: Trey Thompkins/PF/Georgia: There is definitely a void at PF since trading Favors. Humphries performs admirably every night but he should not be a starter. Thompkins has a ton of skill for a guy his size.

28 ) Boston: Nolan Smith/PG/Duke: Avery Bradley does not look like a point guard. Nolan Smith has a lot of similarities to Rondo defensively, if he can become somewhat efficient as a point guard he will be a solid backup point for a long time.

29) Chicago: Marshon Brooks/SG/Providence: Another guard who can taking some of the scoring load off of Derrick Rose.

30) San Antonio: Chandler Parsons/SF/Florida: A versatile and complete basketball player he will play whatever role the Spurs has of him.

2nd round

31) Cleveland: JuJuan Johnson/PF/Purdue: Long and athletic Johnson will play in the league for a long time. He’ll eventually take Jamison’s role. You’d like to see him bulk up and get stronger though.

32) Miami: Jeremy Tyler/C/Japan: Potentially a starting front court player for the Heat, still though he needs a lot of time and great tutoring before he can be an effective NBA player.

33) Washington: Tobias Harris/SF/Tennessee: Josh Howard is unlikely to resign, the only SF you have left is Cartier Martin. Tobias Harris has everything you want out of an NBA wing.

34) Sacramento: Thomas Robinson/PF/Kansas: Talented front court player who could potentiall start beside Cousins.

35) Detroit: Rick Jackson/C/Syracuse: A good defensive minded center with long arms and nice one on one defending skills.

36) New Jersey: David Lighty/SG/Ohio State: A shooter to play alongside Deron.

37) LA Clippers: Kyle Singler/SF/Duke: Al Farouq Aminu is a work in progress, Singler wont’ ever be more than an average basketball player but he’s ready to contribute somewhat right from the start.

38 ) Houston: Malcolm Lee/SG/UCLA: Houston lost their scoring dynamo in Aaron Brooks when they traded him to Phoenix, Malcolm Lee to me is not a PG, but with work he can be a good defender and scorer off the bench.

39) Milwaukee: Demetri McCamey/PG/Illinois: Brandon Jennings play has been bad this year. His PG skills are up and down and he’s not strong enough to finish inside. McCamey is inconsistent in his own right but he’s definitely worth giving a shot.

40) Philadelphia: Gilbert Brown/SG/Pitt: Brown is your typical gritty Pitt player. He will definitely push Evan Turner every day in pratice.

41) LA Lakers: Bojan Bogdanovic/SF/Croatia: A player to keep overseas and see if he develops.

42) Golden State: Jerai Grant/PF/Clemson: Athletic big man who can run up and down the court.

43) Chicago: Andrew Albicy/PG/France: You hope one day the Bulls will have an elite backup for Drose. Albicy is not ready for the NBA but he’s the kind of kid who will carve out a backup role in the NBA. Extremely quick with the basketball in his hands.

44) LA Clippers: Jon Leuer/PF/Wisconsin: Solid stretch 4 who will challenge for a roster spot.

45) Indiana: Denzel Bowles/PF/James Madison: Super skilled big man who could end up being the steal of the draft.

46) LA Lakers: Austin Freeman/SG/Georgetown: Perfect fit for the Lakers with his ability to knock down 3 pointers. His foot speed is average defending on the perimeter but taller wings will have trouble backing him down because he’s so strong.

47) Charlotte: Nikola Vucevic/PF/USC: Long armed big man with solid skills. Must get stronger though.

48 ) Memphis: Jeremy Hazzell/SG/Seton Hall: A natural scorer, the future of OJ Mayo with the Grizzlies is in question.

49) Atlanta: Jamie Skeen/PF/SF/VCU: Stretch 4 who can also play some SF, a very good rebounded. Skeen could push Marvin Williams for minutes.

50) New Orleans: Jeff Allen/PF/Virginia Tech: David West could very well be gone, Carl Landry is a free agent I believe as well. Allen is undersized but he can step out and hit J’s, and also is a very active defender/rebounded.

51) Detroit: Tim Abromaitis/SF/Notre Dame: 3 point specialist.

52) Portland: LaceDarius Dunn/SG/Baylor: Dunn can do a lot of things that Brandon Roy can. Create his own scoring opportunities and handle the ball.

53) Orlando: Gary Mcghee/C/Pitt: A big body to give minutes when Dwight Howard is wined or in foul trouble. Mcghee can’t be any worst than Daniel Orton.

54) Cleveland: Vernon Macklin/PF/Florida: Definitely a franchise changing draft. 4 players to rejuvenate the franchise(Kyrie Irving, Terrence Jones, JuJuan Johnson, Vernon Macklin). Vernon Macklin is not nearly as strong of a rebounded as you’d hope but he has some decent post skills, is incredibly long, and a pretty good athlete. Now with Varejao, Hickson, JuJuan Johnson, and Vernon Macklin the Cavs have an incredibly long and defensively strong front court.

55) LA Lakers: Ben Hansborough/PG/Notre Dame: It’s not guaranteed that any of the Lakers picks this year will make the roster, but there could very well be a roster spot for either Austin Freeman or Ben Hansborough. It would be an interesting battle in summer league and preseason. Hansborough is a perfect fit for Phil’s triangle offense with his ability to knock down the 3. I’d give the edge to Freeman though as the Lakers already have Blake in that role.

56) Dallas: Curtis Kelly/PF/Kansas State: Long and athletic big man who can contribute defensively.

57) LA Lakers: Kostas Papanikolou/SF/Greece: Another prospect to stash for the future, the Lakers most certainly won’t make all 4 2nd round picks however.

58 ) Boston: Mike Tisdale/C/Illinois: Boston will be looking for a big body since losing Kenrick Perkins.

59) Sacramento: Shelvin Mack/PG/Butler: A nice combo guard who would be able to play off Tyreke Evans extremely well.

60) San Antonio: Brad Wannamaker/SG/Pitt: Tough nosed guard who will and can do whatever you ask him to do. He would definitely fight for a roster spot.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-29-2011, 08:55 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SeanTaylorRIP again.

Awesome work man!

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-29-2011, 08:57 PM
I think Stern decreed that Indiana has to take Ben Hansbrough at #45.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-29-2011, 08:59 PM
I think Stern decreed that Indiana has to take Ben Hansbrough at #45.

haha, Jimmer+Ben Hansborough, Larry Bird would cream himself

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-29-2011, 09:15 PM
haha, Jimmer+Ben Hansborough, Larry Bird would cream himself

Pacers could deal Brandon Rush to Utah for Gordon Hayward.

Then deal Solomon Jones to the Cavs for Luke Harangody.

After your draft scenario combined with my trades Indy could throw out this rotation

Mike Dunleavey, Jeff Foster, Tyler Hansbrough, Ben Hansbrough, Jimmer Fredette, Josh McRoberts, Gordon Hayward, and Luke Harangody!

It would be a real life Milan High team!

I am sure Gene Hackman is just as good a coach as Frank Vogel.

Docta
03-29-2011, 09:25 PM
Vesely will go higher. He is top 10 talent with his size and athleticism. NBA teams love international players.

Parsons will either go in the 2nd or go undrafted. No way he sneaks into the first. Needs to get better on defense. Great size, but doesn't know how to use it.

Why would anyone take a chance with Dunn after this year? Can't play defense, turns it over too much, has no athleticism, not a true PG and is undersized to be a SG, but doesn't even have the talent to be a SG in the NBA.

Same thing with Freeman. He'll struggle in the NBA against quicker players. It's his basketball IQ and shooting that could get him drafted.

There is too much to say about Jeremy Tyler. Read this, and I promise it will change your mind on him: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/sports/basketball/08tyler.html

Just do more researching.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-29-2011, 09:35 PM
Vesely will go higher. He is top 10 talent with his size and athleticism. NBA teams love international players.

Parsons will either go in the 2nd or go undrafted. No way he sneaks into the first. Needs to get better on defense. Great size, but doesn't know how to use it.

Why would anyone take a chance with Dunn after this year? Can't play defense, turns it over too much, has no athleticism, not a true PG and is undersized to be a SG, but doesn't even have the talent to be a SG in the NBA.

Same thing with Freeman. He'll struggle in the NBA against quicker players. It's his basketball IQ and shooting that could get him drafted.

There is too much to say about Jeremy Tyler. Read this, and I promise it will change your mind on him: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/sports/basketball/08tyler.html

Just do more researching.

ok an article from 2009, Jeremy Tyler has been working hard since he got to Japan. In such a weak draft he's too talented to be overlooked. Also what's the hate with Dunn. Any 2nd round pick has major holes. Dunn can score, that will land him a chance in the NBA. And yes I know Freeman has slow feet, I watch every Georgetown game. Again his ability to knock down 3's and play tough defense will get him drafted. Also Vesley I am not high on because he is your typical soft euro.

Docta
03-29-2011, 09:46 PM
ok an article from 2009, Jeremy Tyler has been working hard since he got to Japan. In such a weak draft he's too talented to be overlooked. Also what's the hate with Dunn. Any 2nd round pick has major holes. Dunn can score, that will land him a chance in the NBA. And yes I know Freeman has slow feet, I watch every Georgetown game. Again his ability to knock down 3's and play tough defense will get him drafted. Also Vesley I am not high on because he is your typical soft euro.
Tyler started to show some improvement, but it got cut short due to the crisis, but it's still a small sample size. He'll either go in the 2nd or go undrafted. A lot of people can score, but it doesn't always translate to the NBA. You need other strengths to even be a role player. Being a tough defender isn't going to be a positive in the NBA when he's not going to be able to keep up with half of those guards. Vesely is nothing like a soft Euro. He actually plays hard, and with emotion. He'll need to slow his game down though.

You overrate scoring. Brooks and Hazell are really just scorers. If you think they're going to get drafted, then why wouldn't Diebler get a shot? And I don't even think Tisdale wants to enter the draft.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-29-2011, 09:55 PM
Tisdale is awful.

My cousin, my uncle, and myself are big Illini basketball fans and have been big haters of McCamey and Tisdale.

I keep telling them that Tisdale will be back in his rural hometown of Riverton, IL pumping gas before we know it.

Docta
03-29-2011, 09:58 PM
Tisdale is awful.

My cousin, my uncle, and myself are big Illini basketball fans and have been big haters of McCamey and Tisdale.

I keep telling them that Tisdale will be back in his rural hometown of Riverton, IL pumping gas before we know it.
He probably ruined their chance of beating Kansas with all of the 3's he was chucking up.

They got a great group coming in next year though. I'm excited to see how they do. Richmond better stay though. He better step it up also.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-29-2011, 10:02 PM
I am worried on how Jereme Richmond will affect the team. Kid has the talent, but a ten cent head. They may be better off without him.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
03-30-2011, 12:28 AM
Tisdale is awful.

My cousin, my uncle, and myself are big Illini basketball fans and have been big haters of McCamey and Tisdale.

I keep telling them that Tisdale will be back in his rural hometown of Riverton, IL pumping gas before we know it.

Riverton sucks, i've been there a few times. Was it on here someone said Myers Leonard would be a lottery pick?

scottyboy
03-30-2011, 08:31 AM
STRIP that is actually my IDEAL Nets mock haha, that's super weird. I was gonna come in here saying what people think of Thompkins. I love him and hope he falls to the Nets

thenewfeature06
03-30-2011, 08:53 AM
STRIP.. you think Henson returns?!

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-30-2011, 09:16 AM
STRIP, I was wondering what your opinion is on Tristan Thompson and Cory Joseph? Being Canadian, I hear about them a lot. Where/when do you think they'll be drafted and do you see them becoming impact players at the NBA level down the line?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-30-2011, 01:01 PM
STRIP, I was wondering what your opinion is on Tristan Thompson and Cory Joseph? Being Canadian, I hear about them a lot. Where/when do you think they'll be drafted and do you see them becoming impact players at the NBA level down the line?

I doubt Joseph declares. If he does he's probably late first-2nd. He really needs to improve his PG skills and get stronger. Tristan Thompson could be a lottery pick because it's such a weak draft. Defensively has a big time potential. He's strong, has long arms and can really play great one on one post defense. Offfensively though he's a mess and needs a ton of work. He's a first round lock though.

STRIP.. you think Henson returns?!

I just assume he'll be back until I hear something. For the record I am not a Henson fan at all. Until he gains 20 pounds and increases his basketball IQ I can't have him in my top 10. Someone will probably take him in the lottery though purely on length and athleticism.

thenewfeature06
03-31-2011, 08:03 AM
I just assume he'll be back until I hear something. For the record I am not a Henson fan at all. Until he gains 20 pounds and increases his basketball IQ I can't have him in my top 10. Someone will probably take him in the lottery though purely on length and athleticism.

I am not sure how he differs from Brandon Wright a whole lot... he came into the season at like 200 which was a step forward, but he just excels in shot blocking so far.. sometimes he can't even rebound because of how weak his wrists/hands are.

JETS5128
04-02-2011, 05:05 PM
If I was a Knicks fan I would be praying that a Morris twin fell to them

RaiderNation
04-02-2011, 05:47 PM
I really hope Harrison Barnes falls to the Kings if he enters. We really need a impact SF and with the right coaching Barnes will get his shot more consistant.

PG Tyreke Evans/Udrith
SG Marcus Thornton/Garcia
SF Harrison Barnes/Casspi
PF DeMarcus Cousins/Thompson
C Samuel Dalembert/Whiteside

My big board for the Kings right now would look like
1 SF/PF Derrick Williams
2 PG Kyrie Irving
3 SF Harrison Barnes
4 PF Jared Sullinger
5 PF/C Enes Kanter

Docta
04-02-2011, 08:15 PM
I really hope Harrison Barnes falls to the Kings if he enters. We really need a impact SF and with the right coaching Barnes will get his shot more consistant.

PG Tyreke Evans/Udrith
SG Marcus Thornton/Garcia
SF Harrison Barnes/Casspi
PF DeMarcus Cousins/Thompson
C Samuel Dalembert/Whiteside

My big board for the Kings right now would look like
1 SF/PF Derrick Williams
2 PG Kyrie Irving
3 SF Harrison Barnes
4 PF Jared Sullinger
5 PF/C Enes Kanter
Irving has to be at the top of your list. Evans is a scorer, not a point guard. Every team that has ever won the title has needed a true PG, and they are usually not their team's leading scorer. With Irving, they'd have major potential all-around.

WMD
04-02-2011, 09:18 PM
Irving has to be at the top of your list. Evans is a scorer, not a point guard. Every team that has ever won the title has needed a true PG, and they are usually not their team's leading scorer. With Irving, they'd have major potential all-around.
Who are you to doubt Beno Udrih?

SeanTaylorRIP
04-02-2011, 09:22 PM
I'm really excited for the Cavs 2 top 10 picks. I only hated them because of LeBron but now that he dashed, I am rooting for them to get back on their feet. They have a real chance to come up with 2 franchise changing picks. Assuming they have a top 4 pick best case scenario would be to land a pair like Kyrie+Terrence or Perry Jones. They could also go another route and go Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter+Kemba, Knight, or Burks.

RaiderNation
04-02-2011, 10:45 PM
Irving has to be at the top of your list. Evans is a scorer, not a point guard. Every team that has ever won the title has needed a true PG, and they are usually not their team's leading scorer. With Irving, they'd have major potential all-around.

I personally would put Irving ahead, but I still think Sacramento thinks Tyreke can play PG and they really like Thornton as a shooter next to him. I think we are fine with Dalembert now and Cousins will be at the PF. So an upgrade over Casspi/Greene at SF seems like the right pick. Barnes I think will be like Luol Deng at least in the NBA.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-02-2011, 10:56 PM
Yeah I don't think they'd take Kyrie. Evans needs to be ball dominant to be effective, you need an off guard who can shoot and run some point and Thornton looks like he might be that. When thinking of Evans as a lead guard think D-Wade, you don't need a great PG beside him. In fact Evans becomes less effective with a great PG because he can't come off screens and shoot. Derrick Williams makes sense as he would replace what Carl Landry brought, although Enes Kanter makes some sense. While he and Cousins are both bangers with limited range that would be one of the toughest front courts in the NBA. Kemba is a sleeper if it's in that 5-8 range because he'd be the perfect complement to Tyreke Evans because he can play off ball, Knight applies to that as well. Terrence and Perry could also get looks.

yo123
04-02-2011, 11:13 PM
A team that has Tyreke handling the ball the majority of the time is never going to win anything though, so it's kinda a vicious cycle.

SickwithIt1010
04-03-2011, 12:54 AM
Irving has to be at the top of your list. Evans is a scorer, not a point guard. Every team that has ever won the title has needed a true PG, and they are usually not their team's leading scorer. With Irving, they'd have major potential all-around.

Ummm the Lakers have won 5 titles with Derek Fisher running the point so....????

Docta
04-03-2011, 07:53 PM
Ummm the Lakers have won 5 titles with Derek Fisher running the point so....????
The PG isn't that important for the triangle offense. He's still a quality PG, and good for team chemistry.


Yeah I don't think they'd take Kyrie. Evans needs to be ball dominant to be effective, you need an off guard who can shoot and run some point and Thornton looks like he might be that. When thinking of Evans as a lead guard think D-Wade, you don't need a great PG beside him. In fact Evans becomes less effective with a great PG because he can't come off screens and shoot. Derrick Williams makes sense as he would replace what Carl Landry brought, although Enes Kanter makes some sense. While he and Cousins are both bangers with limited range that would be one of the toughest front courts in the NBA. Kemba is a sleeper if it's in that 5-8 range because he'd be the perfect complement to Tyreke Evans because he can play off ball, Knight applies to that as well. Terrence and Perry could also get looks.
Him not getting to come off screens isn't going to make him less effective. He can create his own shot. He commits too many turnovers, and doesn't have a PG mindset.

georgiafan
04-04-2011, 09:10 AM
Where do u guys think the 2 uga players will go?

thenewfeature06
04-04-2011, 09:12 AM
Thompkins could go late first?

But I would say both 2nd.

scottyboy
04-04-2011, 09:23 AM
Where do u guys think the 2 uga players will go?

TT to the Nets in the late first is my dream pick