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D-Unit
11-18-2010, 09:11 PM
An answer to my prayers!!!! The WAC was falling apart, but thanks to this there is a future!!! WOoo hoooo!!!!

http://www.kitv.com/news/25845791/detail.html

HONOLULU -- The University of Hawaii will join the Mountain West Conference for football, sources confirmed to KITV4.
The move comes on the heels of top Western Athletic Conference teams leaving the conference. Boise State, Nevada and Fresno State bolted for the MWC.
Hawaii will be part of the MWC just for football. It will be part of the Big West Conference for the other sports, sources told KITV4 Sports.

OH HAPPY DAY!!!!

TitanHope
11-18-2010, 09:20 PM
Congrats to the Hawai'i Fightin' D-Units!!!

49erNation85
11-18-2010, 09:21 PM
no Offense but is UH even that good to switch out ? I mean with the other teams leaving they run the WAC and have an enjoyment season .

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
11-18-2010, 09:22 PM
People still won't take the MWC seriously

D-Unit
11-18-2010, 09:23 PM
no Offense but is UH even that good to switch out ? I mean with the other teams leaving they run the WAC and have an enjoyment season .
There was no enjoyment left for Hawaii in the WAC. Beating up on the leftovers would've been no fun.

Are they good enough to compete with the MWC? That's what I'm hoping they show the doubters.

diabsoule
11-18-2010, 09:32 PM
Since 1998, Hawaii 89-67 which is a .570 winning %. I'm very surprised by this move and think it's a tremendous move by both parties.

BeerBaron
11-18-2010, 09:49 PM
I really like this. The already strong MTW (even with losing the Utah schools) brings in what are, in my mind at least, the top 4 schools from the WAC including Boise who has been one of the best in the country the last few years?

Give them an automatic birth already. Take the Big East's. Please.

keylime_5
11-18-2010, 09:49 PM
well there are mountains in Hawaii at least, and it is very far west.

diabsoule
11-18-2010, 10:15 PM
I really like this. The already strong MTW (even with losing the Utah schools) brings in what are, in my mind at least, the top 4 schools from the WAC including Boise who has been one of the best in the country the last few years?

Give them an automatic birth already. Take the Big East's. Please.

Even by adding Hawaii, the Big East has a higher winning percentage since the creation of the BCS.

Big East
West Virginia 98-50, .662
Louisville 97-53, .647
South Florida 75-44, .630
Connecticut 62-58, .567
Cincinnati 83-65, .560
Pittsburgh 81-65, .555
Rutgers 64-79, .447
Syracuse 61-82, .426
Total: 621-496 (.556)

New Mountain West
Boise State (102-15, .872)
TCU (108-38, .740)
Air Force (86-60, .589)
Fresno State (94-60, .584)
Hawaii (89-67, .570)
Colorado State (77-70., .524)
Nevada (59-64, .480, since 2000)*
New Mexico (66-80, .452)
Wyoming (57-83, .407)
San Diego State (50-91, .355)
UNLV (44-96, .314)
Total: 832-724 (.535)

I think the bigger question is this: Hawaii makes the 11th team now in the MWC. Who do they invite as the 12th? Houston? SMU? Tulsa? Southern Miss?

BeerBaron
11-18-2010, 10:18 PM
Winning percentage? That's you best argument Diab? The MTW has a lot of ****** teams dragging them down at the very bottom...but they are so much more top heavy than the Big East...have been since Rich Rod left WVU. They were really the only elite team within that division.

The Big East is just so mediocre and it's going to be a joke and a travesty when an unranked (or laughably lowly ranked) Big East team gets into a BCS bowl over a very unfortunate TCU or Boise State. They'd rob one of those two's conferences of millions by undeservedly getting in. Such BS.

senormysterioso
11-18-2010, 10:18 PM
well there are mountains in Hawaii at least, and it is very far west.

But it's even further east...think about it.

diabsoule
11-18-2010, 10:23 PM
Those numbers are from 1998, the year the BCS was implemented.

I agree, though, that the MWC is A LOT top heavier than the Big East and would be even moreso if BYU (98-53. .649) would have stayed. If they could kick out Wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, and San Diego and bring in the likes of Southern Miss, Houston, Tulsa, and say SMU then that would be a BCS conference without a doubt.

BeerBaron
11-18-2010, 10:26 PM
Those numbers are from 1998, the year the BCS was implemented.

I agree, though, that the MWC is A LOT top heavier than the Big East and would be even moreso if BYU (98-53. .649) would have stayed. If they could kick out Wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, and San Diego and bring in the likes of Southern Miss, Houston, Tulsa, and say SMU then that would be a BCS conference without a doubt.

Well, most BCS conferences still have some ****** teams floating around the bottom. Pac-10 has had Washington State recently, SEC has Vandy and the Mississippi schools aren't typically that good, Big-10 has Indiana and Minnesota, Big-12 has Baylor (usually) and the Kansas schools typically aren't that good....

The Big-East is just sooo mediocre it's not funny.

diabsoule
11-18-2010, 10:33 PM
Well, most BCS conferences still have some ****** teams floating around the bottom. Pac-10 has had Washington State recently, SEC has Vandy and the Mississippi schools aren't typically that good, Big-10 has Indiana and Minnesota, Big-12 has Baylor (usually) and the Kansas schools typically aren't that good....

The Big-East is just sooo mediocre it's not funny.

yeah, I plan on comparing the records and winning percentages of each conference since 1998 to see who is strongest. I have already done the SEC, Big East, and Mountain West so I just have the ACC, Big Ten, Big XII, and Pac-10 left to do.

BeerBaron
11-18-2010, 10:37 PM
yeah, I plan on comparing the records and winning percentages of each conference since 1998 to see who is strongest. I have already done the SEC, Big East, and Mountain West so I just have the ACC, Big Ten, Big XII, and Pac-10 left to do.

While I'm sure that would show you some things, I don't think it would be the full story. I mean, how often since the start of the BCS have the bigger schools in the BCS conferences scheduled the bottom-feeders of the non-BCS conferences to beat up? It would definitely skew it a bit.

wogitalia
11-19-2010, 12:32 AM
While I'm sure that would show you some things, I don't think it would be the full story. I mean, how often since the start of the BCS have the bigger schools in the BCS conferences scheduled the bottom-feeders of the non-BCS conferences to beat up? It would definitely skew it a bit.

No doubt about that but it isn't like those teams don't schedule plenty of cupcakes from other places that make their overall wins also misleading.

I think there could be some merit to a comparison between the conferences where both teams were ranked. Realistically the BCS bids should be based on the conferences with the "best" teams rather than on depth. I would think the majority would want to see TCU or Boise play over a mediocre team for instance and seeing how each conference has done with it's top teams against other top teams would be interesting, imo at least.

D-Unit
11-19-2010, 01:04 AM
I'm just so overjoyed over this whole thing. I can't explain it!

Better conference, better competition, better exposure, better recuits! The challenge will be tougher, but the glory of winning will mean MORE! Love it!

As for the 12th team... I sure would love SMU... June Jones vs Hawaii every year! ...but I think Utah State unfortunately will get it. No Utah school in the MWC, and I've got a hint that they'll want one.

descendency
11-19-2010, 01:47 AM
I was really sad when Utah left for the Pac10. I really thought the MWC was going to start to fall apart.

fenikz
11-19-2010, 03:11 AM
Good
TCU
Boise State

Decent
Nevada
Fresno State
Hawai'i
Air Force

Bad
Colorado State
New Mexico
San Diego State
UNLV
Wyoming

overall it's still only a average conference, but do you think it's really worth a AQ? Winner of TCU vs Boise will most likely make a BCS bowl anyways

Montana seems like the best fit for a 12th team and the MWC seems like a more intriguing spot than the WAC at this point

D-Unit
11-19-2010, 03:39 AM
I was really sad when Utah left for the Pac10. I really thought the MWC was going to start to fall apart.
Maybe BYU will pull a U-ee and come back. That would be sweet! ...dreamin'.

Shane P. Hallam
11-19-2010, 06:41 AM
Good
TCU
Boise State

Decent
Nevada
Fresno State
Hawai'i
Air Force

Bad
Colorado State
New Mexico
San Diego State
UNLV
Wyoming

overall it's still only a average conference, but do you think it's really worth a AQ? Winner of TCU vs Boise will most likely make a BCS bowl anyways

Montana seems like the best fit for a 12th team and the MWC seems like a more intriguing spot than the WAC at this point


Montana has already declined any and all invitations to the FBS.

Smooth Criminal
11-19-2010, 09:38 AM
Nice addition. Kind of a shame Utah and BYU left. If the MWC had Utah, TCU, Boise, BYU, Nevada, Fresno St. and Hawaii they'd definitely be able to get an autobid.

Losing Utah and BYU makes it very top heavy, and very weak at the bottom. Those 5 or 6 teams at the bottom are going to be too weak of teams for them to get an autobid in my opinion. Remember, getting an automatic bid is part of a formula already set, and the MWC has been close before. People wont be able to say its some bias if they dont get one, its because of how weak the teams at the bottom are. Yes, every conference has them, but its not half of the teams for every conference.

brat316
11-19-2010, 09:56 AM
So in 2 years time the auto bids are up for grabs?

Smooth Criminal
11-19-2010, 10:10 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5126561

Pretty informative article. The way TCU has played I'd say the MWC could get a spot. It'll hurt losing Utah and who knows what credit they'll get for Boise's success before they were in the MWC.

Utah and BYU leaving could come back to hurt the MWC by keeping them from an autobid.

BeerBaron
11-19-2010, 10:52 AM
I think they'll get one. God I hope they do. They pick up two consistently great teams in Boise and TCU, and a handful of teams who can be decent any given year....I really don't see how they are any worse than the Big East or ACC.

Smooth Criminal
11-19-2010, 11:20 AM
They're definitely very top heavy. Some of the teams the MWC has are still pathetic. There are some lowly teams in that conference.

I'd expect them to get one. Its gonna be nice havinng Boise and TCU play every year and Nevada, Fresno, Air Force, and Hawaii are just as good as what the other conferences boast in the middle. Its the remaining five teams that could keep them from getting a spot. Reading the article, the second thing it is based on is final computer ranking of every team in the conference. MWC average is going to be brought so far down by those bottom 5 teams that even having Boise and TCU top 5 may not be enough to bring it up.

fenikz
11-19-2010, 11:55 AM
I think they'll get one. God I hope they do. They pick up two consistently great teams in Boise and TCU, and a handful of teams who can be decent any given year....I really don't see how they are any worse than the Big East or ACC.

...really?

line the teams up and have em go head to head ACC will end up at least 9-3

just because there are 2 good teams doesn't mean the other 10 stack up

bearsfan_51
11-19-2010, 12:21 PM
I really don't see how they are any worse than the Big East or ACC.
Because they are.

D-Unit
11-19-2010, 01:15 PM
BYE BYE WAC!

Soooooo happy!!! We may be able to save our recruiting class afterall. No one wanted to play for us with the WAC being completely worthless.

dannyz
11-19-2010, 03:19 PM
When are they going to get Houston? I think now if they get Houston they will get the Bid.

descendency
11-19-2010, 03:39 PM
If they had kept Utah and BYU, they'd be getting a bid.

diabsoule
11-19-2010, 03:58 PM
If they had kept Utah and BYU, they'd be getting a bid.

Of that I don't think there is any doubt. I don't see BYU coming back into the fold, though, as they have made plenty of money already by signing a lucrative tv deal with ESPN. The Cougars will make four times more money in September 2011 than all 2010 combined with MWC TV tie.

Also, Colorado State shouldn't be ranked in the "bad" category. They have stumbled upon hard times but they have an over .500 winning percentage since the formation of the BCS. Houston, does not (.479) but them and SMU are probably the best of the what's out there as far as name recognition. I feel, however, that Utah St. will be given the other invite because it helps with the Utah market or what little is left since that state is mostly concerned with Utah and BYU.

diabsoule
11-20-2010, 11:11 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5828820&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines

SDSU president Stephen Weber told the media that the MWC is interested in a 12 team conference. Speculation is that Houston could be the next school invited.

bearsfan_51
11-20-2010, 11:22 AM
What's the value of the Utah market when you can have the Houston market? This is a no-brainer to me.

diabsoule
11-20-2010, 01:08 PM
What's the value of the Utah market when you can have the Houston market? This is a no-brainer to me.

Because Houston doesn't really have that market. It's more UT and TAMU, however, I would expect that the Cougars have the market more than Utah St. has the Utah market.

bearsfan_51
11-20-2010, 01:18 PM
Because Houston doesn't really have that market. It's more UT and TAMU, however, I would expect that the Cougars have the market more than Utah St. has the Utah market.
Exactly. Utah State is the third biggest team in Utah. Houston is the third biggest team in Southeast Texas. I'd take the latter.

Brent
11-20-2010, 02:11 PM
U of H is big in Houston.

descendency
11-20-2010, 02:13 PM
Exactly. Utah State is the third biggest team in Utah. Houston is the third biggest team in Southeast Texas. I'd take the latter.

SouthEast Texas >>>>>>>>>>>> Utah.

LizardState
11-20-2010, 04:24 PM
BYE BYE WAC!

Soooooo happy!!! We may be able to save our recruiting class afterall. No one wanted to play for us with the WAC being completely worthless.

The new WAC will be anybody who finds an open date to get a cheap win over New Mexico St. -- their dance cd. is always pretty full b/c everybody gets well vs. NM St.

WAC FB is evaporating rapidly.

Go Cowboys
11-20-2010, 05:18 PM
So does the WAC dissolve with the remaining teams going independent or begging to be apart of a 16 team MWC?

Or do some of these teams fall out of the FBS and the WAC goes to the FCS?

bearsfan_51
11-20-2010, 05:43 PM
So does the WAC dissolve with the remaining teams going independent or begging to be apart of a 16 team MWC?

Or do some of these teams fall out of the FBS and the WAC goes to the FCS?
Seems to be the common wisdom. That said, the remaining WAC still might be better than the Sun Belt conference, especially if they can poach North Texas like it was originally thought they would do.

Brent
11-20-2010, 05:47 PM
the WAC and Sun Belt need to combine what's left.

bearsfan_51
11-20-2010, 05:58 PM
The WAC could go back to the Big Sky conference. Assuming Montana still says no, Weber State and Northern Arizona are two programs that could merit a bump up.

Both are in decent markets (Ogden, Flagstaff), both have student enrollments around 20k (important to simply fill out a stadium), and both are competitive in one of the better FCS conferences in the nation.

diabsoule
11-20-2010, 06:22 PM
Montana has already declined the WAC same with North Texas. Why would any team want to accept an invitation to join the WAC when its future is in flux?

bearsfan_51
11-20-2010, 06:27 PM
Just depends if you want to go Division 1 or not. It's a hell of a lot easier to do in a conference, any conference, than as an independent.

Go Cowboys
11-20-2010, 06:38 PM
Just depends if you want to go Division 1 or not. It's a hell of a lot easier to do in a conference, any conference, than as an independent.
Montana and all other Big Sky Teams are still D-I

They are in a separate half. FCS and FBS

But ya, the theory is that within the next 10 years the FCS will be gone but i doubt that happening.

I think the remaining WAC teams will be begging to find another conference.

I could see Louisiana Tech trying to jump to the Sun Belt (Makes sense geographically)
Utah State, Idaho, San Jose State will all try to join the MWC or will be forced into the Big Sky. With slight possibility of ending up in the Sun Belt or C-USA

descendency
11-20-2010, 06:44 PM
I really don't see how they are any worse than the Big East or ACC.

The ACC must play one of the hardest schedules, because they have the second most players of any conference in the NFL. (though, our coaches are so dumb, their combined IQ is probably as high as a chimpanzee)

The SEC is #1.

RealityCheck
11-21-2010, 09:37 AM
Great move from both parts imo.

nepg
11-21-2010, 11:32 AM
Too bad Utah and BYU left... Would be an inasanely good conference with those two still there.

Shane P. Hallam
11-21-2010, 12:12 PM
They have an automatic qualifier, they just have to be Top 12 or Top 16 in the BCS (and above Big East/ACC/other big conference). Do we really want the Mountain West to be automatically in a BCS Bowl if they aren't in the Top 16 teams in the country? No.

BeerBaron
11-21-2010, 12:13 PM
They have an automatic qualifier, they just have to be Top 12 or Top 16 in the BCS (and above Big East/ACC/other big conference). Do we really want the Mountain West to be automatically in a BCS Bowl if they aren't in the Top 16 teams in the country? No.

We don't want that to be the case with the Big East either but hey....don't look now. The ACC could get in that way too this year.

Shane P. Hallam
11-21-2010, 12:22 PM
We don't want that to be the case with the Big East either but hey....don't look now. The ACC could get in that way too this year.

I understand, but giving more AQs doesn't solve the problem.

BeerBaron
11-21-2010, 12:24 PM
I understand, but giving more AQs doesn't solve the problem.

My thinking is if the Big East doesn't improve and continue the mediocrity while the teams at the top of the MWC continue to be elite, strip the Big East's and transfer it. Might take more than one year, but the Big East doesn't even look like they have hope right now.

Shane P. Hallam
11-21-2010, 12:25 PM
My thinking is if the Big East doesn't improve and continue the mediocrity while the teams at the top of the MWC continue to be elite, strip the Big East's and transfer it. Might take more than one year, but the Big East doesn't even look like they have hope right now.

Big East isn't getting stripped of anything anytime soon.

bearsfan_51
11-21-2010, 12:30 PM
My thinking is if the Big East doesn't improve and continue the mediocrity while the teams at the top of the MWC continue to be elite, strip the Big East's and transfer it. Might take more than one year, but the Big East doesn't even look like they have hope right now.
There's already an actual numerical system that determines how this works.

diabsoule
12-10-2010, 06:30 PM
It's official. Hawaii will join the Mountain West in 2012

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5907111