Packers-Patriots, Week 15

[GB12]

So as it turns out, this is a completely meaningless game. Not a bad one to have Rodgers out for.

[jackalope]

Meaningless in terms of the wildcard. Holds some significance if we still have any hope for the division.

I think the lack of a gameday thread was the sole reason we lost to Detroit, so hopefully this helps us out.

[princefielder28]

thank you to Detroit and Philadelphia for thier victories today, it will make tonight's beating be somewhat less painful

[PACKmanN]

I still think the Packers can pull off an upset. Matthews vs. Light? Plus with Pickett and Raji working the lines, the Pats can turn one dimensional. Once that happens, who's the threat on the outside to stop Capers from sending the house? They use a lot of 2 TE sets to make up for a lack of a WR threat

[umphrey]

Once that happens, who's the threat on the outside to stop Capers from sending the house?
Tom Brady and 5 eligible receivers

I think Flynn has a solid game tonight. There is literally zero game film on him - last week and preseason don't count because this is the first time we are actually making a game plan for Matt Flynn. Patriots are going to have to read and react more and their weekly preparation isn't going to help as much as it would normally. Mostly though I think Flynn will quarterback a solid game with a full week of practice and preparation both physical and mental to be the starter.

[PACKmanN]

Tom Brady and 5 eligible receivers

I think Flynn has a solid game tonight. There is literally zero game film on him - last week and preseason don't count because this is the first time we are actually making a game plan for Matt Flynn. Patriots are going to have to read and react more and their weekly preparation isn't going to help as much as it would normally. Mostly though I think Flynn will quarterback a solid game with a full week of practice and preparation both physical and mental to be the starter.

This isn't the same Pats team as last year, or the 16-0 team. They're more like the past Pats teams and use a lot of TE sets. Plus, they like to lined up their TEs as WRs in the slots when they do those type of packages.

[umphrey]

This isn't the same Pats team as last year, or the 16-0 team. They're more like the past Pats teams and use a lot of TE sets. Plus, they like to lined up their TEs as WRs in the slots when they do those type of packages.
They can drop back and throw a quick hot route faster than Clay Matthews can beat a big bag of sand and sack Brady. Gronkowski and Hernandez are both good receivers. They use Hernandez a lot like we use Finley and he is physically somewhat similar. Now that I think about it their offense is almost exactly what we would be doing if Finley was healthy and our offensive line was a little better: like good enough to rush for a healthy YPC playing off the pass first mentality, and good enough to stall a jailbreak blitz for just long enough.

Plus their running game is pretty respectable. I expect us to stop it since we've stopped pretty much everyone except the big power running teams (ATL, MIA) but I seriously question our ability to both cover 5 guys and get pressure on Brady on a consistent basis.

[PACKmanN]

They can drop back and throw a quick hot route faster than Clay Matthews can beat a big bag of sand and sack Brady. Gronkowski and Hernandez are both good receivers. They use Hernandez a lot like we use Finley and he is physically somewhat similar. Now that I think about it their offense is almost exactly what we would be doing if Finley was healthy and our offensive line was a little better: like good enough to rush for a healthy YPC playing off the pass first mentality, and good enough to stall a jailbreak blitz for just long enough.

Plus their running game is pretty respectable. I expect us to stop it since we've stopped pretty much everyone except the big power running teams (ATL, MIA) but I seriously question our ability to both cover 5 guys and get pressure on Brady on a consistent basis.

the Packers' DB have faced much faster, or stronger, WRs compared to the Patriots. They seem to have a dangerous passing attack because Brady spreads the ball more since they lack a number one threat. Sure, it makes it more challenging in some aspects, but they do not have that one guy they can rely on, nor do they have deep talent at the wide out position. Tate, at 6-1 190-200ish is their biggest WR; woodson, Williams, and Sheilds should be able to jam them at the line and push them around to create more time for Clay to get to Brady

[cvv84]

the Packers' DB have faced much faster, or stronger, WRs compared to the Patriots.

While that may be true, just look at last weeks lack of communication in the secondary. Its becoming a common theme back there and that worries me much more than our lack of ability to cover everyone. Combined that with the poor tackling that we've seen and its a reciepe for disaster.

In order to win, let alone even stay in this game, we need to be able to run the ball, limit turnovers, wrap up tackle, and force a few turnovers ourself.

Patriots 38 Packers 13

[BloodBrother]

Was so stoked when the Eagles pulled off the comeback. Detroit winning makes up for them beating the Pack last week

now the Packers control their OWN destiny again. That is all that matters. The team can come out loose today knowing that a loss doesn't really hurt their playoff chances. After the Eagles incredible comeback, who knows, maybe the Pack just pull this one off

[jackalope]

While that may be true, just look at last weeks lack of communication in the secondary. Its becoming a common theme back there and that worries me much more than our lack of ability to cover everyone. Combined that with the poor tackling that we've seen and its a reciepe for disaster.

In order to win, let alone even stay in this game, we need to be able to run the ball, limit turnovers, wrap up tackle, and force a few turnovers ourself.

Patriots 38 Packers 13

While I don't see us winning, I also don't see New England putting up 38 points on us. We are still the #1 scoring defense.

[GB12]

With Rodgers I would have actually really liked our chances. I think we match up with the Patriots pretty well. I'd have put it at 50-50. With Flynn I give us a 15% chance. That's kind of high for a first time starting QB against the best team in the NFL, but again I like how we match up. I think our defense can contain Brady and their offense decently enough. I'll predict 24-10 with a Flynn to James Jones TD.

[BloodBrother]

pack pull off the stunner 24-20

[PackerLegend]

who do the Giants play the last week?

[cvv84]

While I don't see us winning, I also don't see New England putting up 38 points on us. We are still the #1 scoring defense.

Can our offense hold the ball long enough to let our defense rest? Thats going to be the question. Just like the Redskins game we couldn't get going offensively and our defense eventually wore down. I don't see us being able to run the ball nor Flynn being able to sustain long drives.

[Sportsfan486]

Can our offense hold the ball long enough to let our defense rest? Thats going to be the question. Just like the Redskins game we couldn't get going offensively and our defense eventually wore down. I don't see us being able to run the ball nor Flynn being able to sustain long drives.

We're going to come out throwing. We won't even try establishing the run. Watch.

[Sportsfan486]

Holty ******* ****. Mccarthy Grew A Pair

[GB12]

Woah, what the heck was that? We picked up a third and short on a run

[PACKmanN]

keep running it to the outside!

[GB12]

A TD would have been awesome, but a FG is still a big win here.

[Sportsfan486]

We can't get to the 10 and get a field goal. ****.

[PACKmanN]

flynn looks lost, this isn't good

[PACKmanN]

the ST has to be just as good as the defense has to be.

[BloodBrother]

Flynn had no time on those last 2 passes. Saw Cliffy whiff

they need to do some more screens. Sucks that STarks is inactive. In any case, good start. They scored points to open the game and will get the ball to start the 2nd half.

[cvv84]

I hope people start to reconize Raji. He's been a beast for us all season long.

[Sportsfan486]

Sweet. We just let them RUN for a long score. GG.

[cvv84]

Took us 6 minutes to get 3. Took the Pats 2 minutes to get 7.

[PackerLegend]

****ing Woodson WTF

[BloodBrother]

Jeez. Pats rarely turn the ball over. When you get a gift right to you, you gotta haul it in. Horrible drop by Woodson

also, I'm sooo sick of the 3 man rush on 3rd and longs. All it does is give the QB all freakin day to complete a pass. You don't give brady all that time. That 3rd and 17 conversion was a piece of cake

[Sportsfan486]

That was probably a pick-six, too. 13 point swing. Nice.

[umphrey]

Even though the first time I saw him he gave us a call, I ******* hate that ***** Ed Hochuli. I want to sucker punch that stupid look right off his face every time I see him.

[BloodBrother]

Well, OL and run game so far offering little support for Flynn. Feel bad for the guy

[PackerLegend]

14-3 soon might as well turn it off now before its 42-3.

[PACKmanN]

why is bush on the field?

[PackerLegend]

why is bush on the field?

Dude we... Well atleast I have been asking this question ever since he got here.

[GB12]

I'll predict 24-10 with a Flynn to James Jones TD.
10 points with a James Jones TD. Did I call that **** or what. Hopefully that's not all though.


14-3 soon might as well turn it off now before its 42-3.
You know, I was going to let this go, but I just can't. That's extremely annoying when people give up so early especially when there wasn't good reason to do so. We gave up one drive and all of a sudden we're letting them light it up for 7 TDs? I don't think so. Our defense is better than that. Have faith.

[PackerLegend]

Did that really just happen?

[BloodBrother]

Sweeeeet! Go Pack!

[BloodBrother]

Desmond Bishop <3. Love those hard hits

[umphrey]

Wow we actually got Brady rattled. This is an interesting, tasty, tasty development. I want to hug Bishop (or run and hide if I'm not wearing green and gold).

[cvv84]

Desmond Bishop <3. Love those hard hits

I'm rooting for him to get over 100 tackles too. Amazing season for that man. Glad to see him succeed.

[GB12]

John Kuhn on 3rd and 17? Really? I mean I can understand the play call, but give it to Nance or Jackson, someone with at least a little speed.

[BloodBrother]

christ mccarthy. Attempt a few more runs will ya...

[Sportsfan486]

Bench Rodgers for Flynn. M i rite?

[Sportsfan486]

Okay, look, we got the TD. But.. horrible. HORRIBLE play call. 2 passes in a row? From inside the 3? Run the ******* ball.

ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME

**** you. Just **** you special teams. **** you.

Worst special teams play ever? I mean, it's gotta be up there. An Olineman just basically ran a kickoff back for a score.

[jsa230]

Bench Rodgers for Flynn. M i rite?
flynn is a man, hes def not looking bad
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******* dan conolly

[BloodBrother]

**** I want Slocum fired after this season. What a piece of **** this ST is. It never fails. They ALWAYS give up a big return after a big Packers TD drive

that was a new low. Giving up a big return like that to a ****** OLineman. PATHETIC

[cvv84]

Hooray for special teams!

[J-Mike88]

only OUR special ed teams could ever allow something like that.
what a pity.

in a game like this, as with the atlanta game, you MUST take advantage of your opportunities.

the woodson dropped INT cost us 7 points at least, 14 if he had pick-6'd it.
and the kick coverage there is pathetic. as always.

we can hang around, but like the falcons game, miscues and missed chances early will and do come back to cost us wins.... dammit.

[J-Mike88]

MUTHERF****ER


He had all day to wait and wait and wait

[J-Mike88]

thats CAPERS chicken ass fault

noone can cover that long there.... GO*DAMMITT

[Sportsfan486]

Thanks special teams. 17-7 now 17-14. Way to ******* step up. Fire ******* everyone involved in ******* special teams. It's a joke.

[cvv84]

MUTHERF****ER


He had all day to wait and wait and wait

2 man rush? Sometimes you just gotta wonder what they're thinking. Its a pressure based defense and you don't send any pressure?

[Sportsfan486]

2 man rush? Sometimes you just gotta wonder what they're thinking. Its a pressure based defense and you don't send any pressure?

Biggest flaw of this season, pick two.

A) Injuries
B) Play-calling
C) Special teams

[BloodBrother]

Well, up at half. I'll take it. Still, the other players need to STEP UP and help flynn. Flynn is holding his own, and doing his JOB. The rest of these ***** need to do theirs. This ST is ****** hopeless, though

[J-Mike88]

Didn't Capers learn his lesson last year in Arizona?
You cannot play passive against great passers.
That TD was on him.

And special teams.... that was #45 Quinn Johnson's fault first of all.
Rewind that and watch his fat ass close his eyes and just dive into what he thought was the pile.

Then Peprah pussied out and cost us 35 more yards.

EMBARASSING.

Woodson can't cover their rookie tight end, and the TE CATCHES the ball unlike Woodson earlier with the pass right to his hands.

Those errors will prove fatal by the end of the game.
I hope I'm wrong.

Damn you Capers.

[Sportsfan486]

Well, up at half. I'll take it. Still, the other players need to STEP UP and help flynn. Flynn is holding his own, and doing his JOB. The rest of these ***** need to do theirs. This ST is ****** hopeless, though

Woodson dropped INT and a LINEMAN returning a kick basically for a score.. otherwise it'd be 17-0 or 24-0 right now, most likely. I wish I wasn't paying attention to this game, now my hopes are up but we only have 17 against the Pats and our def. coordinator is giving Tom. BRADY. all day on 3rd downs.

[PackerLegend]

Will we all ever live to see the day that the Packers special teams doesn't completely ****ing suck massive **** for once?

[PACKmanN]

if i'm MM i'm ripping and laughing at every ST member for letting someone that big out run them for 75 yards

[Sportsfan486]

Will we all ever live to see the day that the Packers special teams doesn't completely ****ing suck massive **** for once?

Do you remember Desmond Howard? *jizz* He made everything else special teams wise okay.

[GB12]

Reading this thread makes my brain hurt. I know there have been a number of frustrating moments, but damn guys it's like reading the JSOnline blog comments tonight. Come on, we're better than that.

[PACKmanN]

Reading this thread makes my brain hurt. I know there have been a number of frustrating moments, but damn guys it's like reading the JSOnline blog comments tonight. Come on, we're better than that.

think of the unthinkable, like a 75 yard return by a OLinemen

[BloodBrother]

Haha, I've been hitting the booze a bit, my bad. I'm not upset that much. I'm stoked they actually have a lead. Flynn is looking good. I really hope they can get some points to open the 3rd. I just can't get that lame ST play out of my mind, though. You cannot give that offense easy scores. They got to set up shop at the damn 4 yard line. They didn't have to work for that TD

[cvv84]

Hmm even the offense can't tackle.

[PackerLegend]

well that was fun while it lasted.

[BloodBrother]

pathetic tackling

[PACKmanN]

the team needs a huge spark right now, hopefully Flynn doesn't give up

[Nalej]

Kuhn is a bad man!

[cvv84]

We need to get the ball in Jennings hands. He's our playmaker and our best shot at making something happen. Give him a bubble screen or something. Mix it up.

[cvv84]

The 'white thunder' strikes again!

[PackerLegend]

Damn Kuhn is beastin tonight!!!!!!

[cvv84]

I hope people start to reconize Raji. He's been a beast for us all season long.

Rinse and repeat

[BloodBrother]

Raji/Matthews. What a great ****** 1st round that was


come on now! Lets get another score.

[GB12]

Flynn ties a rookie record eventhough he's in his third year. Interesting...

And the Kuhn strikes again!

[cvv84]

Ok now that was ******* awesome! Kuhn helps Bulaga blow up his man then makes the catch and runs for the 1st down.

[BloodBrother]

****! Needed a TD there

[cvv84]

McCarthy you stupid ****!! If you're gonna run Kuhn at least line him up at RB and get a head of steam. Wasted opportunity there...

[GB12]

Wish we would have gone for it. Worst case is we start the Patriots at the one, and our defense hasn't had much trouble with them other than that one drive.

[cvv84]

Love that pressure there. We got everyone into place right before the snap and Brady forced the throw.

Gotta get 7 here. Come on Flynn!!

[BloodBrother]

lets get a damn TD here!

[J-Mike88]

Flynn cannot take that sack again.
Guy was wide open on the right side.

CLOSE GAME, too many missed opps to win it.
Guarantee it.

[BloodBrother]

Goddammit. Come on D, force a turnover

[cvv84]

Does McCarthy know that running the ball also runs the clock? We're ahead so tries passing 3 times in a row? If the Pats get a TD here we're screwed.

[J-Mike88]

NE has the one lucky TD after Woodson dropped the INT.
Then the damn KR for the TD.
Then the Flynn Int returned for a TD where 4 of our guys missed the tackle.

We have dominated this game, but only lead by 3.

We needed and could have been up by 13, 17 easily here, then we'd win.
But now, well we know the damn drill in close games under McCarthy.

It's a given.

One thing that COULD save us would be if our special teams could ever make a + play to steal some points.
Or if our guys could CATCH a Brady Int offering.
He's tried to throw 3 of them.

We need Nick Collins back in there, but he's our 5th safety to get hurt.

[GB12]

Does McCarthy know that running the ball also runs the clock? We're ahead so tries passing 3 times in a row? If the Pats get a TD here we're screwed.
Nah, too early to run the clock. We're going to get the ball back, and I want to have enough time on the clock for a drive without being rushed if they take the lead.

[BloodBrother]

mccarthy is a dumbass

[J-Mike88]

Goddammit. Come on D, force a turnover
That's exactly what we need.
Sure would be nice if our special fuqing teams could MAKE UP some points in the + side for us for once.

[J-Mike88]

Nah, too early to run the clock. We're going to get the ball back, and I want to have enough time on the clock for a drive without being rushed if they take the lead.
We needed to go naged bootleg on 1st or 2nd down there like the Jets did with Sanchez today to beat Pittsburgh.

Now we're losing.

[cvv84]

Learn to ******* tackle!!! Goddam these guys lack the most basic fundamentals.

[BloodBrother]

sigh. Nobody stepping up for Flynn. What a joke. Flynn couldn't be playing any better. The rest need to ****** back him up

that non TD the series before where they had 1st and goal at the 1 rears its ugly head. Should be a tie game right now

[J-Mike88]

Learn to ******* tackle!!! Goddam these guys lack the most basic fundamentals.
I think because our guys are soft.... brittle too as we all know.

[BloodBrother]

3rd and 8 and they call for a play that throws it 20 yards downfield. F off mccarthy

[J-Mike88]

We need a Woodson strip. HE HE needs to make up for missing the easy INT early in the game which cost us at least 7 points.

[J-Mike88]

We've done a great job on Welker so far tonight.
But 3rd downs is where CAPERS KILLS US with his passive no blitz D

[GB12]

Nice stop. We have a chance. 4 minutes, 2 timeouts, perfect comeback conditions

[J-Mike88]

Brady has HORSE SHOES UP IS ASS.

He could easily have 3 Ints tonight, and should have had 2 or 3 last week.

[cvv84]

Theres where inexperience kills you. What a ****** ending.

[BloodBrother]

great effort is overshadowed by that horrendous clock management there. WTF was that on 4th and 1

[GB12]

To fall 14 yards short. God damn it

[nhlkdog411]

Can someone explain to me why the announcers are blaming the end of Flynn? Isn't it the HC and OC's job to make sure they have a play for him? How is it his fault that they couldn't get him the playcall in time?

[PackerLegend]

What the **** was that? Are you ****ing kidding me.

[cvv84]

great effort is overshadowed by that horrendous clock management there. WTF was that on 4th and 1

20 seconds of complete dumbassery

[J-Mike88]

As I said at the time, there was NO REASON for us to call that first timeout.
I knew we'd need that.....

[BloodBrother]

This isn't good for McCarthy. He is now 2-14 in close games in his career. His teams just consistently cannot find a way to win games at the end. That's not a good thing to see. I really wonder if the Pack can do anything with him as head coach. They seem to ALWAYS lose these close games. Always

[cvv84]

Can someone explain to me why the announcers are blaming the end of Flynn? Isn't it the HC and OC's job to make sure they have a play for him? How is it his fault that they couldn't get him the playcall in time?

You can't stand around for 20 seconds wondering what to do. You either have to get the 1st or throw a TD. Got to know the situation. At least he didn't spike it on 4th and 1 :/

[GB12]

As I said at the time, there was NO REASON for us to call that first timeout.
I knew we'd need that.....

It saved us 40 seconds of the clock and then the Patriots ended up throwing two incomplete passes. That was a good spot for a timeout. We don't call a timeout there they run it on second down and possibly third. We're left with 2:34 and 3 timeouts. Much better off with that extra time than the timeout.

[nhlkdog411]

You can't stand around for 20 seconds wondering what to do. You either have to get the 1st or throw a TD. Got to know the situation. At least he didn't spike it on 4th and 1 :/

The coaches know he has zero experience they should be prepared with a play..is he supposed to make up a play on the spot? Maybe Rogers improvs a playcall but I don't see why the onus isn't on the coaching staff to get him a play in a timely manner.

[RockJock07]

Can someone explain to me why the announcers are blaming the end of Flynn? Isn't it the HC and OC's job to make sure they have a play for him? How is it his fault that they couldn't get him the playcall in time?

Wasn't expecting a win but to lose that way is heartbreaking. Pats gave the packers plenty of chances to win this g

Since MM calls the plays that's on him but he did call a great game tonight.

[J-Mike88]

This game was bullschit.
We dominated the game, like the Bears game.

But because of -7 on special teams, and some stupid little things... comes back to haunt us.

Yet another 3 or 4 point loss for us.
Sixth one of the year.

But I'd rather have the Vikings win tomorrow night than us have won tonight.

[PackerLegend]

Why must we constantly be tortured like this? I can hardly stand to watch the Packers anymore. My hopes go up an up an up then suddenly everything comes crashing down as I sit and wonder what the **** just happened.

[cvv84]

The coaches know he has zero experience they should be prepared with a play..is he supposed to make up a play on the spot? Maybe Rogers improvs a playcall but I don't see why the onus isn't on the coaching staff to get him a play in a timely manner.

They couldn't huddle so that point is moot. He's been in the league for 3 years and you know they practice the 2 minute drill daily. Flynn looked like he was asking the offensive lineman what to do.

[J-Mike88]

It saved us 40 seconds of the clock and then the Patriots ended up throwing two incomplete passes. That was a good spot for a timeout. We don't call a timeout there they run it on second down and possibly third. We're left with 2:34 and 3 timeouts. Much better off with that extra time than the timeout.
No I meant when we had the ball after that.
So our 2nd timeout actually... but first one on that drive.

[J-Mike88]

Why must we constantly be tortured like this? I can hardly stand to watch the Packers anymore. My hopes go up an up an up then suddenly everything comes crashing down as I sit and wonder what the **** just happened.
Same here.... I had no hopes that we could win this game..... especially when Woodson cost us 7-14 points dropping the gift-wrapped Int early.
And the pathetic KR by the slow offensive lineman.

But I actually for a monent late thought that we might actually score a TD to win it.... shouldn't have gotten my hopes up.

[PACKmanN]

This lost goes to the defense. When it mattered, they let the team down. No excuses, they knew extra pressure was added on to them once the game started and Rodgers wasn't the starting qb.

[drowe]

Yup. Getting harder and harder to defend Mike McCarthy. He gets a lot out of the players we have. But, ya can't overlook what happens in close games anymore. It has to fall to the coach.


I gotta hand it to the Pack. I went into this game with the lowest possible expectations. I swore I wouldn't get upset over a loss. Well, here I am.

Flynn....did well. I think he's gonna be overrated by some. It's not like a lot was asked out of him. A lot of short yardage stuff and John Kuhn was his best bud today. But, if nothing else, maybe this game will allow the Pack to flip him for an early draft pick a la Charlie Whitehurst or Matt Schaub. Maybe he'll be the PTNL in the Greinke trade. :)

BJ Raji.

Can't decide what was more frustrating; the kickoff return by a lineman or the INT return where he made a point to touch every potential tackler and still score. Either way, I'm not convinced Brady and the Pats don't score on the 2 minute drill before the half regardless of where they got the ball. And, the INT deep in our own territory was likely 7 for them regadless of if our WRs knew how to tackle or not.

Andrew Quarles needs to learn how to ******* catch.

And, finally, congrats on Matt Flynn for tying the Packer's rookie record for most TD passes in a game. Despite the notable handicap of NOT BEING A GOD DAMN ROOKIE! Seriously NBC, If nothing else, they've always been prepared for games. They always brought fun facts and insight that a normal crew wouldn't have. But, every week, it's some inexcusable error. And, I'm gonna say this. Take it for what it's worth...but, these kind of errors happened much less when Madden was doin' the games.

[BloodBrother]

In the end, it was a valiant effort when the odds were stacked against them. On the other hand, it's another lcose game the packers had a chance to win but failed to do so


I really don't have much faith in McCarthy being the coach who can bring a title back to GB. His teams just cannot win the close games....every single time

That 4th and 1 was horrendous. Wasting a good 20 seconds not knowing what to do. Pathetic

I'm pissed, but I'll get over it since I chalked this up as a loss anyway. The Packers have 2 HOME games to finish this out. If they can't take care of business at home, they don't belong in the playoffs

[nhlkdog411]

They couldn't huddle so that point is moot. He's been in the league for 3 years and you know they practice the 2 minute drill daily. Flynn looked like he was asking the offensive lineman what to do.

He looked like he was waving to the sidelines asking for the play...

[RockJock07]

I'm pissed at the special teams, Slocum needs to be fired tomorrow. MM, being the head coach, has to deal with the nagging problems that the special teams keep creating.

[GB12]

Since MM calls the plays that's on him but he did call a great game tonight.
Complete agree, although I bet no one else here will. He had a few bad calls, but otherwise it might have been his best game of the year.
But I'd rather have the Vikings win tomorrow night than us have won tonight.
Really it might not be so bad if the Bears win. Yeah they'll lock up the division, which sucks, but they'll also have nothing to play for when we face them week 17, giving us an easier path to the wildcard.
They couldn't huddle so that point is moot. He's been in the league for 3 years and you know they practice the 2 minute drill daily. Flynn looked like he was asking the offensive lineman what to do.
4th and 1 with 20 seconds and no timeouts is a tough situation for an inexperienced QB. Can't spike it, can't sneak it, can't call a timeout. I'm going to give him a bit of a pass on that. Overall great game from him.

[PACKmanN]

the team is getting tired as the season goes on and the injuries continue to pile. There isn't any position, other than WR, where we have the needed depth to make a playoff run. If the Packers actually get into the Playoffs, I could easily see them getting eliminated the first game

[nhlkdog411]

Complete agree, although I bet no one else here will. He had a few bad calls, but otherwise it might have been his best game of the year.

Really it might not be so bad if the Bears win. Yeah they'll lock up the division, which sucks, but they'll also have nothing to play for when we face them week 17, giving us an easier path to the wildcard.

4th and 1 with 20 seconds and no timeouts is a tough situation for an inexperienced QB. Can't spike it, can't sneak it, can't call a timeout. I'm going to give him a bit of a pass on that. Overall great game from him.

Yeah thats what I'm trying to say..yea Rogers probably handles it better but the coaches HAVE to be prepared and be able to get a play to him right there.

[GB12]

the team is getting tired as the season goes on and the injuries continue to pile. There isn't any position, other than WR, where we have the needed depth to make a playoff run. If the Packers actually get into the Playoffs, I could easily see them getting eliminated the first game

I also know we can beat any team in the NFC, and after this game maybe the NFL. If we can get in I think we can go somewhere. Even with the injuries we have a really good team. Fans are way too down on the Packers. I know it's been a couple of tough losses in a row (again), but it's not time to throw in the towel.

[cvv84]

This lost goes to the defense. When it mattered, they let the team down. No excuses, they knew extra pressure was added on to them once the game started and Rodgers wasn't the starting qb.

Special teams fail all the way. The defense didn't throw a pick 6 nor let a 300 lbs offensive lineman nearly run back a kickoff for a TD. They were put in a tough position. Also that inability to get a TD on the 1 yard line was huge but that special teams blunder took the momentum away.

[RockJock07]

I really don't get why some people want MM out. WTF? Who do you want him to do?

He was going into a game vs the Pats on the road with a backup qb with the MVP in waiting on the other side of the field. It went down the final play and yes they lose but jesus, lets give credit to MM for preparing Matt Flynn this week to give the Packers a fighting chance.

What coach do people want here? Cowher? gruden? Capers? Some no-name coordinator? Josh McDaniel was great.....for 6 games. MM is 45-31, what more do people want?

MM has built this offense and with the help of capers the defense is 100% better then when mike sherman was here.

The Packers are still young and they have to grow up. Is MM a fantastic coach? Probably not but more often then not he'll put this team in position to win and tonight, with all the cards stacked against him, had his team fighting vs. the likely Super Bowl fav from the AFC.

My only grip is he needs to take more of stance with his other coaches, slocum needs to be gone. It may be Christmas but I'm sorry, when any off us under perform at work, we'd get canned. Special teams has hurt the Packers for years and it needs to stop.

[jackalope]

I also know we can beat any team in the NFC, and after this game maybe the NFL. If we can get in I think we can go somewhere. Even with the injuries we have a really good team. Fans are way too down on the Packers. I know it's been a couple of tough losses in a row (again), but it's not time to throw in the towel.

Agreed. There was a lot of pessimism in this thread tonight considering it was a very close loss to the best team in the NFL with a first time starter. Obviously, I'm frustrated with the game's end and was screaming at the TV as I watched it, but all things considered, we played a very impressive game.

[PACKmanN]

I also know we can beat any team in the NFC, and after this game maybe the NFL. If we can get in I think we can go somewhere. Even with the injuries we have a really good team. Fans are way too down on the Packers. I know it's been a couple of tough losses in a row (again), but it's not time to throw in the towel.

the Pats had multiple injuries to their front 7 and Spikes wasn't active and the o-line still had their share of meltdowns. Could the Packers win, sure any team could. Is the team better right now this season than they were at this point in time last year, no.

Too many injuries are hurting this team. Clay is no longer dominate because teams are doubling him; he was the team's major pass rush. If Arizona did their damage to our healthy defense a season ago in the first game, imagine the pain we'll go through whoever the team faces first.

[cvv84]

I also know we can beat any team in the NFC, and after this game maybe the NFL. If we can get in I think we can go somewhere. Even with the injuries we have a really good team. Fans are way too down on the Packers. I know it's been a couple of tough losses in a row (again), but it's not time to throw in the towel.

Exactally. If we played up to our potential, even with all our injuries, I feel like we should've been undefeated coming into tonight and quite possibly still be undefeated after tonight. We aren't a bad team we haven't been able to put everything together for entire games.

[Mr.Regular]

My ******* god.... its either a blowout win or a heartbreak loss. Theres no goddamn middleground.

My heart cant take this ****!

[cvv84]

Clay is no longer dominate because teams are doubling him; he was the team's major pass rush.

Just because he isn't getting sacks doesn't mean he hasn't been dominant. Like you said teams are doubling him which shows respect for him. Its opened up things for Bishop, Hawk, and Zombo.

[GB12]

Agreed. There was a lot of pessimism in this thread tonight considering it was a very close loss to the best team in the NFL with a first time starter. Obviously, I'm frustrated with the game's end and was screaming at the TV as I watched it, but all things considered, we played a very impressive game.
And I think we're clearly better than the Giants and the Bears. We should be able to take care of those games, and even though we lost tonight's game should give the team some confidence.

Too many injuries are hurting this team. Clay is no longer dominate because teams are doubling him; he was the team's major pass rush. If Arizona did their damage to our healthy defense a season ago in the first game, imagine the pain we'll go through whoever the team faces first.Our pass defense is much better than it was a year ago, and we won't be facing a trio of Fitz/Boldin/Breaston. In the first round we'd likely play the Bears. I'm not overly concerned about Johnny Knox and Earl Bennett. The Saints and Eagles are the only teams who's receivers could be a problem and we wouldn't see them until the championship game.

[GB12]

Exactally. If we played up to our potential, even with all our injuries, I feel like we should've been undefeated coming into tonight and quite possibly still be undefeated after tonight. We aren't a bad team we haven't been able to put everything together for entire games.

My ******* god.... its either a blowout win or a heartbreak loss. Theres no goddamn middleground.

My heart cant take this ****!


Of our 6 losses, 4 have been by 3 points, 2 have been by 4 points. Every single game this season we've been in it until the final drive.

[jsa230]

Thanks alot ST . . I hate you

What is going on at the end of that game. I heard collinsworth ( i think it was him) say "this is where the inexperience is going to show" or somthin like that in reference to flynn. I cant help but think if rodgers is in it doesnt go any differently. you have to blame that one on the coaching staff. There should have been two plays sent in, that cost us the game. If the packers line up and snap it and get a first down, we get one, maybe two more shots at the endzone. that shits jus frustrating.

Flynn just increased his value significantly, not just in the trade market, but to the packers. He is a good backup qb, something i might not have said before the season.

Raji is a beast. Is he acting like he is eating something in the sack celebration? I think he is, but cant really tell.

KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHN (woke up my brother yelling this..twice)

I had this chalked up as a loss for gb but was pleasantly suprised to watch a good game. This gives me alot of confidence in GB moving forward. we can make some noise in the playoffs if we finsh strong and get in.

[BloodBrother]

I'm down on McCarthy because his teams are 2-14 in close games like this. I wasn't expecting a win, and I'm not even that upset over a loss tonight(considerng how well they played) but time and time again they just find ways to NOT seal the deal at the end. I wish that would change

in any case....hoping the Vikes can somehow steal a game tomorrow. Packers control their destiny either way, and thats all that matters. It's on them now. 2 home games to finish it out. They need to treat each as a playoff game

[PACKmanN]

And I think we're clearly better than the Giants and the Bears. We should be able to take care of those games, and even though we lost tonight's game should give the team some confidence.

Our pass defense is much better than it was a year ago, and we won't be facing a trio of Fitz/Boldin/Breaston. In the first round we'd likely play the Bears. I'm not overly concerned about Johnny Knox and Earl Bennett. The Saints and Eagles are the only teams who's receivers could be a problem and we wouldn't see them until the championship game.

ugh, eagles...playoffs...every year

[J-Mike88]

the team is getting tired as the season goes on and the injuries continue to pile. There isn't any position, other than WR, where we have the needed depth to make a playoff run. If the Packers actually get into the Playoffs, I could easily see them getting eliminated the first game
Just like we did last year, going in hotter than hell.

[RockJock07]

I'm down on McCarthy because his teams are 2-14 in close games like this. I wasn't expecting a win, and I'm not even that upset over a loss tonight(considerng how well they played) but time and time again they just find ways to NOT seal the deal at the end. I wish that would change

in any case....hoping the Vikes can somehow steal a game tomorrow. Packers control their destiny either way, and thats all that matters. It's on them now. 2 home games to finish it out. They need to treat each as a playoff game

Ok, so who do you want coaching this team then?

[BloodBrother]

Ok, so who do you want coaching this team then?

Don't know who is available. I wouldn't want Gruden. Cowher would be nice but that's a pipedream. Give me some time to research a bit more, I'm buzzed and venting. GIve me a break lol

I think McCarthy gets another year(justified) but I just worry that his teams just cant win the big one. They've had 6 close defeats this year....and if you want to go back, their last 8 losses have all been nailbiters, starting with the last second loss to Pitt last year

just hate that at the end of games, I have all this hope, but in the back of my mind I'm expecting them to somehow blow it.

[GB12]

I don't want McCarthy to be fired, but if anyone were to replace him I'd want it to be Capers. We'd have to find a real offensive coordinator though. Joe Philbin isn't going to cut it.

[RockJock07]

Don't know who is available. I wouldn't want Gruden. Cowher would be nice but that's a pipedream. Give me some time to research a bit more, I'm buzzed and venting. GIve me a break lol

I think McCarthy gets another year(justified) but I just worry that his teams just cant win the big one. They've had 6 close defeats this year....and if you want to go back, their last 8 losses have all been nailbiters, starting with the last second loss to Pitt last year

just hate that at the end of games, I have all this hope, but in the back of my mind I'm expecting them to somehow blow it.

Fair enough, and i understand because im pissed too. I just don't think firing MM helps the Packers and more importantly, the development of Aaron Rodgers.

I look at the Miami game as a very disappointing loss and even last week because that was det and it was in the NFC but injuries have really just gutted this team and seemingly MM and his entire staff deserve alot of credit for even having this team in contention.

By no means is MM perfect and i question his play calling sometimes but when you look at what Aaron has become under him and the fact that he hired Dom Mike is a very solid football coach.

[J-Mike88]

Our kick units once again were -7 net for us, just like the Bears game, and the Falcons game.

Against good teams, special teams often makes a difference.

When was the last time that was a + one for us against a good team?
1997 Super Bowl?

[BloodBrother]

Oh, no doubt, McCarthy definitely is great at developing QB's. We saw what he did with Aaron Brooks during his time in New Orleans, and no doubt he's been a huge help to the development of Rodgers and now, obviously Flynn. No question about that

TBH, I think McCarthy would be a better overall coach if he got some help with the playcalling. It seems with him calling th eplays, he can't really focus on the other aspects, like motivating the team from the sideline, clock management, and challenges, etc. I'd like to see what he and this team can do if he had a a O Coordinator calling the plays for him, so he can focus on the other aspects

[jsa230]

Our kick units once again were -7 . . .
When was the last time that was a + one for us against a good team?
1997 Super Bowl?
I think you are being sarcastic but iirc it was last year against detroit tramon returned a punt.

[J-Mike88]

Only The Packers

-Last night was THE FIRST time in the NFL season that a team has had less than 20 minutes of time of possession, and still won the game.

-The kick return by Dan Conelly was the longest in NFL HISTORY by any offensive lineman.

-On that play, Diryal Briggs and Quinn Johnson took themselves out of the play early, and Charlie Peprah missed the tackle on the lumbering 315-pounder, and cost the team about 30 more yards.

-Tom Brady has at least one horse shoe up his rectum. He has still not thrown an Int for weeks, even though he hit Woodson right in the hands, had another one go through a linebackers hands, and had one tipped up into the air late in the game, but find some green turf instead of Packer hands.

[J-Mike88]

We are 8-6, and 4 of those 6 losses can be attributed to one special teams failure.

#1- The loss to the Bears where they allowed Hester's first PR for a TD in a few years. True, the zebra's did let them get away with one blatant illegal block in the back against Hawk on the play, and another ticky-tacky one against Quarless. True, there were 3 other bad calls by refs, one on a TD to Jermichael they called back and 2 on game-winning Ints by us. But still, the special teams cost us 7 points in that 3 point loss.

#2- Miami, which is a bad team that we should never lose to, at home especially. Again, the refs banged us on this one when they called Francois for being less than a yard away from their long snapper, even though he was the same spot on other punts and even though he didn't immediately bull rush him as the rule states. A bad call, but nonetheless, that call was as big as a turnover, and the Dolphins got their game-winning points after that. Another 3 point, OT loss.

#3- Atlanta... after Rodgers comes up Joe Montana-Super Bowl clutch, the kick return unit allows a huge return to get into FG range almost which costs us the game on another FG loss at the end.

#4- Last night, we allow an NFL ALL TIME record to a slow white offensive lineman, where 2 of our guys take each other out, and then Peprah allows the guy to get an extra 30 yards.

In all of those 4 games, our special teams lost points in a close game.
None of those games, or any close wins, did our special teams MAKE A PLAY that provided positive points and helped us win.

Our draft in April and any FA signings, and COACHING moves, 100% of the focus needs to be on injecting value to special teams. Start with a new ST coach.

We lose close games all the time, and that 3rd phase always costs us!

[jsa230]

i really think dan connoly is faster than roethlisberger. . . big ben looks SO slow, and he runs straight up and down. Maybe if he leaned forward a bit he could pick up some steam