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kennyb
12-21-2010, 12:44 PM
Or is he too short. He'd probably fall to the patsies first pick about 12-15 or so.

Shane P. Hallam
12-21-2010, 12:46 PM
Well, he plays 3-4 DE in college, so pop in a tape. I think it shows he can play it in the NFL pretty darn well.

FlyingElvis
12-21-2010, 12:53 PM
If he's 6-3 he'll be a tough sell to BB in NE's schemes. There has been posts saying that the 6-3 listing is even generous. That's just not a size fit for the two gap 5 tech and if there's one thing BB seems to stick to, it's the size requirement cheat sheet.

Babylon
12-21-2010, 01:08 PM
If i were New England and he were there in the middle of the first (Oakland pick) i'd take him and worry about where to play him later. I'd play him at end and move him inside on passing downs if and when they went to 4 down linemen.

FUNBUNCHER
12-21-2010, 01:11 PM
Well, he plays 3-4 DE in college, so pop in a tape. I think it shows he can play it in the NFL pretty darn well.

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QFT.

keylime_5
12-21-2010, 01:14 PM
6'3" is plenty of big enough if a guy has long arms or if he he can hold double teams well and play the two gap. I think the majority of 3-4 DEs are only 6'3" or 6'4". It's nice to find a 6'5" or 6'6" guy who is 290-320 lbs. but they aren't too common. I think Dareus has proved that he can play in a 1 gap or 2 gap scheme at Alabama.

cajuncorey
12-21-2010, 01:21 PM
good 3-4 DE? try great 3-4 DE

Morton
12-21-2010, 01:51 PM
I'd rather use him in a 3-4 than a 4-3 to be honest.

PACKmanN
12-21-2010, 01:52 PM
Cullen Jenkins is 6'2 and, right now, he's a top 3 DE in the 3-4 scheme

Razor
12-21-2010, 02:21 PM
6'3" is plenty of big enough if a guy has long arms or if he he can hold double teams well and play the two gap. I think the majority of 3-4 DEs are only 6'3" or 6'4". It's nice to find a 6'5" or 6'6" guy who is 290-320 lbs. but they aren't too common. I think Dareus has proved that he can play in a 1 gap or 2 gap scheme at Alabama.

I actually think that the majority of 5-techs are shorter than that. But the majority of 5-techs don't play in NE. Belichick's scheme is different from what other 3-4 teams do, and they look for different things in players. So while Dareus might be a great fit for most 3-4 teams it's far from certain that BB will view him the same way.

SenorGato
12-21-2010, 04:03 PM
Well, he plays 3-4 DE in college, so pop in a tape. I think it shows he can play it in the NFL pretty darn well.

As much as I like Saban and what he's doing in 'Bama, no college 3-4 can properly simulate what it's like to play in a pro 3-4.

That said, I buy Dareus more as a 3-4 DE now than I did a few months ago. I do agree that he's short for the position, but I believe he can be a Luis Castillo type who maybe stays healthy.

I still think the best 3-4 DL in this draft is Heyward.

RealityCheck
12-21-2010, 04:47 PM
I think Dareus is a better 3-4 DE prospect than a 4-3 DT prospect.

Jimmy
01-01-2011, 02:59 PM
http://images.morris.com/images/athens/mdControlled/cms/2010/09/03/704142846.jpg

Dude played lights out today. Hats off to him for securing himself as a top 10 pick, barring an absolutely horrific interview, an arrest, or a poor combine showing (with the latter being the least likely to happen, since he may have character/laziness issues)

I think Denver now has to start considering him (but not necessarily penciling him in) over Peterson at #2, DE is a more pressing need than corner, and I think that value is no longer an issue there.

thegreatone
01-01-2011, 03:46 PM
I don't even see how this is a question. Its his best fit.

Babylon
01-01-2011, 03:48 PM
I think he's shorter than listed and not a pure pass rusher at the next level. I like him but i wouldnt take him in the top 10, i'd wait on a 3-4 DE.

ElectricEye
01-01-2011, 03:50 PM
Absolutely dominated today. Sparty didn't have anyone who had any business trying to handle him. Still think that he's a better one gap player, but a team looking for a 3-4 DE in that type of scheme could give him a look. Houston might be a good fit now with the Wade Phillips hire.

Babylon
01-01-2011, 03:55 PM
Absolutely dominated today. Sparty didn't have anyone who had any business trying to handle him. Still think that he's a better one gap player, but a team looking for a 3-4 DE in that type of scheme could give him a look. Houston might be a good fit now with the Wade Phillips hire.

Can he play DB too?

ElectricEye
01-01-2011, 03:57 PM
Can he play DB too?

They could realistically lose out on both Prince and Patrick Peterson, but yeah, agree. That's the place I would see him being the most successful though.

Jimmy
01-01-2011, 03:59 PM
I think he's shorter than listed and not a pure pass rusher at the next level. I like him but i wouldnt take him in the top 10, i'd wait on a 3-4 DE.

I'm wouldn't necessarily be concerned about height with his talent. Broncos already have one undersized defensive stud who scouts said was too short.

Here's a pic of Dareus standing next to 6'5 Lorenzo Washington. Worst case, he's 6'2, which is completely completely fine. Caption proves he's who he is, so does the finger wrapping.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/SEC+Championship+Alabama+v+Florida+RU3TcT2A5qRl.jp g

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/j6bpubq_Sug/SEC+Championship+Alabama+v+Florida/RU3TcT2A5qR/Lorenzo+Washington

eagles6606
01-01-2011, 04:35 PM
Big game for Dareus against Micihgan St today...he was wrecking havoc! Hard to see him dropping out of the top 10 with so many teams needing d-line help.

alexthegr8
01-01-2011, 05:12 PM
Big game for Dareus against Micihgan St today...he was wrecking havoc! Hard to see him dropping out of the top 10 with so many teams needing d-line help.

Agreed. He is EXTREMELY mobile for a guy his size. He's also a little more stout than Fairley at the POA.

keylime_5
01-01-2011, 07:29 PM
Really athletic for a guy so big and stout. I would love to add him to the Browns' defensive line.

SickwithIt1010
01-01-2011, 09:05 PM
I'm wouldn't necessarily be concerned about height with his talent. Broncos already have one undersized defensive stud who scouts said was too short.

Here's a pic of Dareus standing next to 6'5 Lorenzo Washington. Worst case, he's 6'2, which is completely completely fine. Caption proves he's who he is, so does the finger wrapping.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/SEC+Championship+Alabama+v+Florida+RU3TcT2A5qRl.jp g

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/j6bpubq_Sug/SEC+Championship+Alabama+v+Florida/RU3TcT2A5qR/Lorenzo+Washington

I dont think that is Dareus in that picture.

LonghornsLegend
01-01-2011, 09:10 PM
Screw Fairley, bring this guy to Dallas. He's a monster, and as much as I think a CB would help more once PP is gone I'd take him over Prince if were sitting at #6.

Mr.Regular
01-01-2011, 11:05 PM
3-4 DE is probably his best fit. He absolutely dominates there at Bama and he has great athleticism.

No one is talking about him for some reason, but he's a top 10 talent.

Babylon
01-01-2011, 11:23 PM
3-4 DE is probably his best fit. He absolutely dominates there at Bama and he has great athleticism.

No one is talking about him for some reason, but he's a top 10 talent.

It's the 24th reply on this thread and there have been others, i dont see where people havent been talking about him.

The thing with 3-4 DEs is that this class is loaded and it may push the group down a bit.

Rabscuttle
01-02-2011, 10:22 AM
He beat some double teams faster than some unblocked edge rushers yesterday. He has that rare trait in a 3-4 DE, the ability to finish on the pass rush. A guy like Justin Smith may get a ton of pressures, but Dareus can finish in a heartbeat.

LonghornsLegend
01-02-2011, 12:45 PM
I'm starting to think Dareus won't even be available when the Cowboys pick. Denver could easily take him if they opt to pass on Peterson, but at this point I really like what he can bring to a 3-4 being able to rush the passer from that position.

Grizzlegom
01-02-2011, 01:04 PM
He had a big bowl game yea but I think a large part of that is because they were passing all game. He's at his best when he just pins his ears back and goes after the QB. I don't think you can totally look at a 34 in college and say it projects to the same in the pros and I have some reservations about Dareus' fit in some 34s. His height and short arms would be a detriment to teams that run a more traditional 34 like NE, Miami, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh. I think he would do just fine in an attack-style 34 though like Dallas or GB. Still think his best fit is inside at the next level.

phlysac
01-04-2011, 09:59 AM
He beat some double teams faster than some unblocked edge rushers yesterday. He has that rare trait in a 3-4 DE, the ability to finish on the pass rush. A guy like Justin Smith may get a ton of pressures, but Dareus can finish in a heartbeat.

I actually think Smith is a decent comparison. I would also think that 22 sacks in 3 yrs (most of ANY 3-4 DE) is "finishing."