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diabsoule
12-31-2010, 05:31 PM
http://www.wndu.com/hometop/headlines/Former_ND_offensive_coord_new_Pitt_coach_Haywood_a rrested_112730024.html

You have to wonder if Pitt will retain him as head coach because of this

MassNole
12-31-2010, 05:33 PM
Eh stuff happens, no reason for Pitt to cut loose a solid hire.

NotRickJames
12-31-2010, 05:33 PM
They're not going to fire him.

bearsfan_51
12-31-2010, 05:34 PM
Eh stuff happens, no reason for Pitt to cut loose a solid hire.
Stuff happens? He's the head coach, not a player.

ElectricEye
12-31-2010, 05:37 PM
Certainly not a good way to start all this. If I were Pitt, I would probably let him go.

MassNole
12-31-2010, 05:38 PM
Stuff happens? He's the head coach, not a player.
Over the Holidays emotions run hot, whereas his behavior may have deviated from societal norms it doesn't mean the man should lose his job before he even starts it. Sure he should starting with an 0-1 count over the holidays bad decisions can be made in the heat of a moment. I am not going to demonize a person for a single mistake.

diabsoule
12-31-2010, 05:39 PM
Eh stuff happens, no reason for Pitt to cut loose a solid hire.

Stuff happens, eh? This is a new coach they just hired being arrested... for domestic violence. That's not good anyway you look at it.

""Police say there was a custody issue and the woman attempted to leave. As she left, police say a physical altercation broke out. The woman told police Haywood grabbed her by the arm and neck and pushed her. According to the police report, the woman had red marks on her neck, arms and back."

ElectricEye
12-31-2010, 05:40 PM
Over the Holidays emotions run hot, whereas his behavior may have deviated from societal norms it doesn't mean the man should lose his job before he even starts it. Sure he should starting with an 0-1 count over the holidays bad decisions can be made in the heat of a moment. I am not going to demonize a person for a single mistake.

He put his hands on a woman to the point where she was marked from it. Not a good example to be setting for the players no matter what team of year it is.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-31-2010, 05:46 PM
dude was a bad hire from the start. a team coming out of nowhere to win the MAC Championship in an upset = great coach! as we all found out from turner gill's reign at kansas

i also like how everyone brings up his turn around from 1-11 while ignoring the fact that he coached through the 1-11 season

MassNole
12-31-2010, 05:48 PM
So a heated exchange involving custody over the holidays. People make mistakes and it is sad so many are ready to lynch the man's career. This isn't a situation like say Lawrence Phillips where he dragged her down a flight of stairs. From the sounds of the police report it sounds like an over reaction to an emotional situation. As for leaving marks, some people bruise extremely easily not to mention a lot of other reasons that would increase bruising, such as alcohol intoxication.

CameronCropper
12-31-2010, 05:51 PM
What mother is going to want to send their child to be coached by Mike Haywood after this? The right thing to do, in the long run, would be to fire him on the spot.

It might lose the program a little bit of face in the short run but it's probably for the best.

MassNole
12-31-2010, 06:00 PM
What mother is going to want to send their child to be coached by Mike Haywood after this? The right thing to do, in the long run, would be to fire him on the spot.

It might lose the program a little bit of face in the short run but it's probably for the best.
Okay so say you fire him now and it turns out he was restraining her from leaving while intoxicated with his children. A situation in which reasonable force would be allowed under the law. However under the borderline unconstitutional laws of most states (of which I am too lazy to check Indiana law) require the police to detain him upon the facts shown. She cries abuse, he gets arrested on the spot even if there was a good explanation. So because of the appearance of wrong doing Pitt should fire the man, basically permanently tarnish his chances for future employment, and set back their program much the way Notre Dame did with their overreaction to George O'Leary.

I guess I am the only who remembers one is innocent until proven guilty. Then again I am a criminal defense/divorce attorney so maybe my experience in these situations as tainted me.

kwilk103
12-31-2010, 06:02 PM
what is hilarious about this whole situation (not that domestic violence is ever funny) is that pitt hired him because of his "character" and dana holgorsen didnt pass their character and background check

NotRickJames
12-31-2010, 06:07 PM
what is hilarious about this whole situation (not that domestic violence is ever funny) is that pitt hired him because of his "character" and dana holgorsen didnt pass their character and background check

They probably just figured he had good character because he coached at Notre Dame, lol.

He won't get fired. His actions aren't really defensible, but they're not going to let him go over this.

bearsfan_51
12-31-2010, 06:14 PM
It's probably not an offense where you lose your job, but to chalk it up as a silly mistake is pretty irresponsible too.

There are types of people who would lay their hands on a woman and those that wouldn't. Trying to justify the actions tends to push you in the former category.

CameronCropper
12-31-2010, 06:17 PM
Okay so say you fire him now and it turns out he was restraining her from leaving while intoxicated with his children. A situation in which reasonable force would be allowed under the law. However under the borderline unconstitutional laws of most states (of which I am too lazy to check Indiana law) require the police to detain him upon the facts shown. She cries abuse, he gets arrested on the spot even if there was a good explanation. So because of the appearance of wrong doing Pitt should fire the man, basically permanently tarnish his chances for future employment, and set back their program much the way Notre Dame did with their overreaction to George O'Leary.

I guess I am the only who remembers one is innocent until proven guilty. Then again I am a criminal defense/divorce attorney so maybe my experience in these situations as tainted me.

I'm not saying lock the guy up and throw away the key, but if I was the AD at the University of Pittsburgh something like this would make me believe his position had become untenable because of the nature of the accusations.

I strongly doubt he will lose his job over this, but it's going to make recruiting a lot more difficult and won't exactly endear him to the Pitt fans. If he stays on, which I presume he will, something tells me he'll be on a lot shorter leash than most first year HCs.

kwilk103
12-31-2010, 06:32 PM
I'm not saying lock the guy up and throw away the key, but if I was the AD at the University of Pittsburgh something like this would make me believe his position had become untenable because of the nature of the accusations.

I strongly doubt he will lose his job over this, but it's going to make recruiting a lot more difficult and won't exactly endear him to the Pitt fans. If he stays on, which I presume he will, something tells me he'll be on a lot shorter leash than most first year HCs.


one of the biggest reasons he was hired was for his character...just sayin

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-31-2010, 06:52 PM
He put his hands on a woman to the point where she was marked from it. Not a good example to be setting for the players no matter what team of year it is.

Maybe he has something in common with his players now. They can all laugh and joke say "you had to put your ***** in line too?"

LizardState
12-31-2010, 07:37 PM
""Police say there was a custody issue and the woman attempted to leave. As she left, police say a physical altercation broke out. The woman told police Haywood grabbed her by the arm and neck and pushed her. According to the police report, the woman had red marks on her neck, arms and back."

For that they hold him without bail in Indiana? just announced no bail on Sportscenter.

Well, this is the state that let Dillinger escape -- twice. And sent Mike Tyson to the state pen for 2 yrs on a bogus beauty contest judge sex with contestant rape charge....

phlysac
01-01-2011, 07:22 AM
Alot of panic in the Burgh about this. Many believe that this incident will be the same as "the death-penalty" as it affects recruits. Nearly every 2011 recruit had decommitted PRIOR to this incident and now it seems likely the rest will leave as well.

There are even the presence of people wanting Haywood to be fired immediatedly and AD Steve Pederson to tender his resignation.

This has been one of the worst organizational changes in football that I can remember.

Forenci
01-01-2011, 08:12 AM
So a heated exchange involving custody over the holidays. People make mistakes and it is sad so many are ready to lynch the man's career. This isn't a situation like say Lawrence Phillips where he dragged her down a flight of stairs. From the sounds of the police report it sounds like an over reaction to an emotional situation. As for leaving marks, some people bruise extremely easily not to mention a lot of other reasons that would increase bruising, such as alcohol intoxication.

Are you ******* serious? Are you really trying to justify this **** by saying "well, tensions are high! it's the holiday! some people bruise easily!"?

He's still responsible for his actions. Not to mention no one is saying to fire him right NOW, but I'm sure if the allegations turn out to be true it would be very reasonable to fire him if the university so desired.

someone447
01-01-2011, 10:49 AM
Are you ******* serious? Are you really trying to justify this **** by saying "well, tensions are high! it's the holiday! some people bruise easily!"?

He's still responsible for his actions. Not to mention no one is saying to fire him right NOW, but I'm sure if the allegations turn out to be true it would be very reasonable to fire him if the university so desired.

Do we really know anything about the case? Could she have been hitting him and he was holding her so she couldn't? Many police officers will arrest the man, regardless of who is at fault. Especially if it is a state where someone MUST get arrested on any domestic disturbance call.

How about we let the facts come out before crucifying the guy.

This isn't just directed at you.

Forenci
01-01-2011, 11:44 AM
Do we really know anything about the case? Could she have been hitting him and he was holding her so she couldn't? Many police officers will arrest the man, regardless of who is at fault. Especially if it is a state where someone MUST get arrested on any domestic disturbance call.

How about we let the facts come out before crucifying the guy.

This isn't just directed at you.

I'm not trying to crucify the guy, I'm merely pointing out MassNoles excuses were horridly bad and that there is no excuse for any kind of domestic violence, whether it because by a man or woman.

He is innocent until proven guilty, but MassNoles was trying to say that even if he did commit domestic violence it shouldn't be frowned upon as much because it's the holidays, or because some people bruise easier..

Smooth Criminal
01-01-2011, 11:54 AM
I think he has to be fired. Scrapping him and starting over won't cost them too much, and he was hired because he was considered a high character guy. This kind of thing will definitely effect his recruiting.

Pittsburgh radio didn't have a single call supporting keeping him today. Most wanted the AD fired too. According to the reports he punched, pushed, and held he in a choke hold.

bearsfan_51
01-01-2011, 11:57 AM
Affect is the verb, effect is the noun.

Smooth Criminal
01-01-2011, 12:14 PM
Affect is the verb, effect is the noun.

Always hated those two.

someone447
01-01-2011, 12:33 PM
He is innocent until proven guilty, but MassNoles was trying to say that even if he did commit domestic violence it shouldn't be frowned upon as much because it's the holidays, or because some people bruise easier..

The bruise easier one can be a legitimate excuse. If he grabbed her to keep her from hitting him and she bruises easy, that is completely different than grabbing her and throwing her around.

Domestic disturbances are rarely black and white, and to treat them as black and white is what causes the man to end up in jail every time.

diabsoule
01-01-2011, 02:06 PM
"The University of Pittsburgh is aware of an alleged incident involving head football coach Michael Haywood today in South Bend, Indiana," the school said in an e-mailed statement. "The University expects the highest standards of conduct from its employees, including its coaches, and any breach of those standards is a very serious matter. The University will decline further comment until more complete information is available."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5976125

diabsoule
01-01-2011, 04:46 PM
Pitt chancelor: "After careful consideration of recent events, Pitt has dismissed Michael Haywood as football coach, effective immediately:

Vikes99ej
01-01-2011, 05:20 PM
Definitely the right move. As the coach and leader of the team you have to set an example.

LizardState
01-01-2011, 05:28 PM
They probably just figured he had good character because he coached at Notre Dame, lol.

ND is no endorsement. They hired & fired a HC not too long ago who lied on his resume.

ElectricEye
01-01-2011, 05:33 PM
Good move by Pitt. Wasn't a great hire in the first place and he's obviously not coming in the right way.

SickwithIt1010
01-01-2011, 05:41 PM
Who are the new candidates? Rich Rod? people were mentioning Marvin Lewis the first go around.

Hines
01-01-2011, 05:47 PM
Tom Bradly could get another look.

phlysac
01-01-2011, 05:48 PM
The charge against Haywood was upgraded from misdemeanor domestic violence to felony domestic battery in the presence of a minor.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iE4gnxqHvwvvAFxJ0vA7k2_plQKw?docId=9eecc2778 f944e6c89af87e05d57ac14

Once I saw this I presumed he'd be fired.


Who are the new candidates? Rich Rod? people were mentioning Marvin Lewis the first go around.

They might have to promote one of the staff that Haywood brought along. It is possible that everyone had been given contract. It would be difficult to expect them all to accept dismissal.

Firing him was the right move but I'm not sure how they can dig out of this one.

NotRickJames
01-01-2011, 05:57 PM
LOL, Rich Rod going to the other side of the Backyard Brawl. I think Rich would be a great hire. Clearly not the guy for Michigan, but I think he could be successful at Pittsburgh.

SickwithIt1010
01-01-2011, 05:58 PM
LOL, Rich Rod going to the other side of the Backyard Brawl. I think Rich would be a great hire. Clearly not the guy for Michigan, but I think he could be successful at Pittsburgh.

Thats what i thought, he has shown he can be successful in the Big East.

diabsoule
01-01-2011, 05:59 PM
Todd Graham, Todd Bradley, Sal Sunseri, and Paul Rhodes are all potential candidates amongst others.

ElectricEye
01-01-2011, 06:02 PM
Graham would have been a much stronger hirer in the first place anyway.

phlysac
01-01-2011, 06:05 PM
There's almost 0% chance it would happen but Pederson and Nordenburg need to throw a HUGE bone at the fan-base after this travesty. They should push for Mike Leach.

Most feel that Tom Bradley would be the quickest way to maintain any form of a recruiting base.

bearsfan_51
01-01-2011, 06:08 PM
There's almost 0% chance it would happen but Pederson and Nordenburg need to throw a HUGE bone at the fan-base after this travesty. They should push for Mike Leach.
Because nothing says "stand-up character" like Mike Leach.

Paul Rhodes should have been hired in the first place. Guy won at Iowa State. Gene Chizik couldn't do that.

phlysac
01-01-2011, 06:13 PM
Because nothing says "stand-up character" like Mike Leach.

Paul Rhodes should have been hired in the first place. Guy won at Iowa State. Gene Chizik couldn't do that.

Well, the fanbase thought the character-based hiring was stupid to begin with. At this point it's almost baseless.

As for Rhoades, he is a nice option but doesn't seem to be in the cards. He was DC at Pitt before going to Iowa State. I'm not sure how strong the Rhoades/Pederson relationship is.

bearsfan_51
01-01-2011, 06:14 PM
Administrations don't care what fans think, they care what boosters think.

phlysac
01-01-2011, 06:16 PM
Administrations don't care what fans think, they care what boosters think.

Nordenburg and the boosters LOVED Wannstedt. Besides, the boosters are part of the fanbase in Pittsburgh.

NotRickJames
01-01-2011, 06:16 PM
Mike Leach is going to Maryland.

JPP90
01-07-2011, 03:37 AM
Tom Bradley to Pitt. Hasn't been announced by the school yet. I thought Bradley was succeeding Paterno honestly.