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MaxV
01-02-2011, 06:24 PM
Well, we made it. Luckily.

Please, lets have a more involved discussion.

We have plenty of intelligent posters. I'm looking forward to the opinions of key to this game by you guys.

I'll post my keys later.

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Bob Sanders Dreadlock
01-02-2011, 06:26 PM
From the other thread..
Can't stop running around the house like a little kid. Right now this team is eerily similar to 2006. For the most part we seem to be getting healthy and Jerry freakin Hughes made some plays!!! Plays like Collins fumbling at the end are just those "signs" that this team is destined to make some noise.

EDIT: In 2006 we were the #3 seed in the AFC...

MaxV
01-02-2011, 06:54 PM
My keys to the game:

- Getting as many of our guys back as possible. Conner has played well, but he isn't as fast or experienced as Session. I'd rather have Hayden then Lacey also (leave Tryon as a starter, please). Who else am I forgetting?

- Stop the run! Stop the run! Stop the run! They did a heck of a job of that in the last 3 weeks, I hope they keep it up in the playoffs. Johnson, Moala and Foster (in situations) need to continue to do what they are capable of doing.

- More pass rush. Not much of that vs. the Titans. Freeney and Mathis gotta unleash the beasts inside them. And our interior guys, well they should rush the passer better then they have.

- Better play from our secondary wouldn't hurt either. I mean, I don't really blame them for today's game, Collins had the whole day to throw, but the DBs were biting on fakes too much today.

- Run the rock! Rhodes has found the fountain or youth (just needs to hold on to the ball), Addai and Brown are looking better as well. I've been impressed with our O-linemen (as far as run-blocking) lately also.

- Better play-calling. Lately, the offensive play-calling has forced me to scratch my head a bit. First, they've been predictable at times. Second, they've over-guessed themselves at time, trying to catch the defense by surprise.

- Passing offense being more efficient. With all the good things that we have had going for us in the last 3 weeks, the passing offense has actually been a bit inconsistent. 5 punts in the second half today, that's terrible. A lot of drops, inconsistent pass-blocking and Peyton forcing the issue a bit. I hope we get it together, it's our bread and butter.

- Special Teams. McAfee, well he was doing so well before that idiiotic swim of his. Adam is doing well. We are still giving up too many return yards, gotta fix that.

xxxxxxxx
01-02-2011, 06:56 PM
Well it was a nice run by the colts. to bad there gonna get pooped on lol.

what are you guys looking for in the draft? im trying to put together a solid mock.

MaxV
01-02-2011, 07:04 PM
Any posters are welcome to share their opinions in this thread, but no trolling.

For Colts' posters, ignore the stupid posters please.

Please don't turn this thread into a flame-fest.

killxswitch
01-02-2011, 07:58 PM
This game probably gave me a new ulcer. I am really glad though that we're not backing into the playoffs. 9-7 and the 4th seed to me would've been almost worse than missing the playoffs altogether.

Manning's throws looked good today but either he or Christiansen need to figure out that 3 yard routes on 3rd and 10 don't work.

We REALLY need Hayden back. He has had his ups and downs but he is far better than either Lacey or Brown. Lacey + Tryon + Francisco + Brown = Kerry Collins tearing us up. I agree Tryon is the #2 corner on the roster now. He is better than Lacey, no doubt about it. If Powers and Hayden were healthy I would actually feel pretty good about our depth. But they're not so I don't.

Mookie and Moala have looked fantastic in run defense the last few weeks. It is obvious that AJ is feeling the best he has all year, he's very active and can shed blocks better than any other DT on the roster. Moala has been improving all season so they are peaking at the right time.

We lucked out in getting the Jets in the 1st round. I think we'll win that one. After that, I am concerned about the pass defense vs. a real QB. We haven't faced one of those since week 12.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
01-02-2011, 08:07 PM
- Garcon put some glue on those hands. For one every unexpected catch he makes he gives you a drop that makes you want to break everything in sight.

-Peyton has to figure out to play against the 3-4. Every team we will face in the AFC plays a 3-4.

MaxV
01-02-2011, 09:14 PM
Don't underestimate the Jets.

With Cromartie and Revis back, they have a heck of a secondary and they can stop the run.

We might have to play small ball and win the turnover battle.

RagingColt
01-02-2011, 10:17 PM
Don't underestimate the Jets.

We might have to play small ball and win the turnover battle.

Reminds me of the '06 playoff game vs the Ravens.

Can't underestimate the Jets this week. Their pass rush isn't as good as it appeared late last year. That said Charlie and Diem need to have great games. Peyton took too many hits in the game vs the Titans in week17 but did do a good job moving around to buy extra time to throw. Garcon can't have an inconsistent game like he's had this season. I figure Revis will stick like glue to Wayne so both Garcon and White need solid to spectacular games for us to win.

Sanchize has been up and down this year so Free and Mathis need to get pressure early and often. The home crowd has to do it's part - should we win it would most likely be the last home game for this year. Got to make this one count.

xxxxxxxx
01-03-2011, 12:33 AM
I was just kidding around.

What are your top needs? I assume defense, front 7?

Crickett
01-03-2011, 12:53 AM
Don't underestimate the Jets.

With Cromartie and Revis back, they have a heck of a secondary and they can stop the run.

We might have to play small ball and win the turnover battle.

Reminds me of the '06 playoff game vs the Ravens.

Can't underestimate the Jets this week. Their pass rush isn't as good as it appeared late last year.

No, you can underestimate the Jets. I mean, they have Brian Schottenheimer at offensive coordinator and have implemented the prevent defense.


No, the Colts needs to look past the Jets and worry about the teams that currently have a bye week. :P

MaxV
01-03-2011, 07:33 AM
Jets' secondary scares me. Revis won't bite on Reggie's fakes and Cromartie won't get beat deep by Garcon. Tamme and White will have to play well. I also think Peyton should get the RBs involved in the passing game more.

On the other side of the ball, Jets' O-Line is excellent and it'll be very tough for our D-line. We'll have win battles at the line.

xxxxxxxx
01-03-2011, 12:36 PM
Cromartie is a scrub. I think garcon is a better player than him.

killxswitch
01-03-2011, 12:37 PM
I agree Reggie will struggle to produce. Even though the Jets are having a down year rushing the passer they are not terrible. Just average. That is good enough to give our OL problems. So Garcon will have to fight his way open a few times, Tamme will have to play like Dallas as much as possible, and my bold prediction is that Eldridge will have 5+ catches and 60+ yards, and at least 1 TD. He will need to help Diem on the right side and should be able to sneak over the middle for some big catches. Blair White will have a few chances too but a Rex Ryan defense is still a Rex Ryan defense which means they'll send lots of pass rushers. So I expect a lot of 2 TE sets.

MaxV
01-03-2011, 05:19 PM
Then we definitely have to use Addai or Rhodes out of the backfield.

killxswitch
01-03-2011, 11:06 PM
I think Brown might have another decent game with equal touches running and catching the ball. He has looked good catching passes and has shown in the last few games that he can shake a tackler or two in space for a 1st. I'd like to see Manning use all the backs more in the passing game. That used to be a bigger part of the offense and with so many receiver injuries now would be the time to get back to it.

Also, it's no longer TBD. Saturday night, 8PM, NBC.

RagingColt
01-03-2011, 11:35 PM
Seems like simple stuff like swing passes to our RBs can be as effective as anything in the playoffs. The SB win vs the Bears being a key example as both Joe and Dom had monster receiving games.

Crickett
01-03-2011, 11:56 PM
Cromartie is a scrub. I think garcon is a better player than him.

Yes, Cromartie is a terrible cornerback who the Colts should throw at as frequently as they can. And Revis is having a down year so Manning should have no fear throwing to whomever he is covering as well.

Nothing could go wrong with this strategy. The Colts should look past the Jets and worry more about having to face the Patriots, their fierce rival.

killxswitch
01-04-2011, 10:59 AM
Yes, Cromartie is a terrible cornerback who the Colts should throw at as frequently as they can. And Revis is having a down year so Manning should have no fear throwing to whomever he is covering as well.

Nothing could go wrong with this strategy. The Colts should look past the Jets and worry more about having to face the Patriots, their fierce rival.

In all seriousness I don't know how good Cro is or isn't this year.

MaxV
01-04-2011, 11:27 AM
But we do know that he plays very well against the Colts.

killxswitch
01-04-2011, 11:35 AM
But we do know that he plays very well against the Colts.

Except when he forgets to line up against Reggie Wayne at the snap.

RagingColt
01-05-2011, 11:47 PM
Via Paul Kuharsky's AFC South Blog:

The Colts' full injury report for Wednesday:
DB Al Afalava, Ankle, Full Participation
OT Ryan Diem, Back, Did Not Participate
DE Dwight Freeney, Rested, Did Not Participate
DB Kelvin Hayden. Neck, Did Not Participate
DT Antonio Johnson, Chest, Limited Participation
DE Robert Mathis, Rested, Did Not Participate
DT Dan Muir, Chest, Full Participation
DB Mike Newton, Hamstring, Did Not Participate
RB Dominic Rhodes, Hip, Did Not Participate
OG Jamey Richard, Concussion, Did Not Participate
LB Clint Session, Elbow, Did Not Participate

RCAChainGang
01-06-2011, 02:21 AM
My players to watch

Tamme/White- To win this game we have to have production from them. The jets have gotten torched this year in the middle of the field. White in the slot and Tamme at TE are gonna have the best chance to make some big plays.

Rhodes- He is an outstanding back when he is fresh. Dom always looks great coming off the bench. I think if we can get him 7 - 12 carries he will have an awesome day and really give our offense a jump. It also depends on if our o-line shows up in the run like they have lately.

Freeney/Mathis- They gotta get to Sanchez early. Make him doubt his blocking and force some bad throws. I believe Mathis will get a strip sack in this game. The key though is to get the pressure early.

Muir/Johnson- These guys have gotten tremendous push lately and have created lanes for Bracket and Bethea to come in and make the tackle.

Lastly, and most importantly is our freaking coverage unit. Somebody has got to be a head hunter and knock some heads on punts and kicks. They are looking like they are scared of contact. They gotta forget it and explode on the returner. Keep contain and stay in lanes.

I'm mostly worried about the return game and the production of Tamme and White. They have done awesome but we just can't drop any balls if we want to get an offensive rythm.

To be honest I usually just read discussions but I decided to throw some things in here couse MaxV wants us to be involved. :) Hope it sounds like a pretty decent breakdown.

Seamus2602
01-06-2011, 04:39 AM
Peyton has to figure out to play against the 3-4. Every team we will face in the AFC plays a 3-4.

I don't think it is as simple as lumping all the 3-4 teams together. If we get back to the Superbowl the route is probably going to be Jets-Steelers-Patriots. That will be a game against the Rex Ryan 3-4/46 Hybrid Pressure Defense. The game against the Steelers will be against the the Dick LeBeau Zone Blitz 3-4 Defense. The game against the Patriots will be against the Fairbanks-Bullough 2 Gap 3-4 Defense.

Manning has a great record against the Ryan Defense. He is 7-1 against that type of Defense (his only loss coming last year when Polian pulled the Starters against the Jets). Manning is 160 from 246 (65%), for 15 TDs, on 5 Ints, with 8.4 ypa, for a Quarterback Rating of 102.9. He has played very well against the Ryan 3-4 Defense.

He also has a great record against the LeBeau Defense. He is 5-1 against that type of Defense (his only loss being the "He Missed It" game). He is 113 from 196 (57.6%), for 13 TDs, on 3 Ints, with a 7.6 ypa, for a Quarterback Rating of 97.5.

Manning struggles against the other two types of 3-4 Defenses. The Bum Phillips One Gap Defense (as used by the Colts regular bogey team the San Diego Chargers). That is why I am worried about the Texans hiring Wade Phillips to be their DC. The other system that Manning heavily struggles with is the 2 Gap Defense (as used by New England and the Belichick coaching tree). It is why Manning struggled against Romeo Crennel this year. He struggles against that system.

So it isn't as simple as to say Manning does poorly against the 3-4. As shown against two of the 3-4 Defenses the Colts are likely to face in this game, and, if they win this game, the next game, Manning is 12-2.

killxswitch
01-06-2011, 10:01 AM
Good post Seamus. I am also concerned about the Wade Phillips hire in Houston. Mario Williams, Brian Cushing, and possibly Amobe Okoye are about to become a lot more of a problem.

I am most concerned not with the offense, but the defense. I think White, Tamme, and possibly Eldridge will have big days and Cro will probably be good for a screwup or two for a big play to Garcon. Wayne will probably have <5 catches for <50 yards. The OL I think will hold up. But we have one quality starter in our defensive backfield in Bethea. Tryon is a great NB and OK #2 CB but as a #1 he is overmatched. Lacey, Brown, and Francisco should not be NFL starters, ever.

If the team sits back in soft zone I am afraid even Mark Sanchez will carve us up. I think this team will need to take a few risks on defense to go anywhere in the post season.

chad72
01-07-2011, 10:56 AM
It is only recently that our run D has settled down better. The combo of AJ & Moala in the middle, with the rookies Angerer & Conner playing well, Hagler playing SAM (like Rob Morris in 2006) and not to mention, Brackett in the back field more often due to AJ & Moala being disruptive, is what is making our run D better.

Still, the same weaknesses remain, AJ & Moala are still run stuffing DTs and the elite teams that can pass well will pass on us if they go 6 OL or 2 TEs/1 RB & FB to protect and/or chip & release.

If the Jets saw film of the Titans, they will use the pass to set up the run as the game goes on. The only thing that will keep them from doing it later in the game is if the Colts O puts up enough points on the board to get a good enough lead.


A few more thoughts:

What could the Bears D not do to prevent the Jets from putting up 34 points? That is the only game that gives some credibility to the potential behind the Jets' passing game. 27 points from their offense, I think there was a defensive TD there. Bears play the similar style of D that we do, rush primarily four but have better DTs and LBs, IMO that can disrupt the run and the pass.

Or, is it that a team that relies on just the front four to rush, when they have bad weather, the footing causes more issues in bad weather (look at how the Bears have played against both the Pats and Jets at home) and that is magnified when they do not send extra rushers??? Not sure. At least, we don't have to worry about the weather for this game for our front four.

As far as the Bears offense, Cromartie is someone who has not been able to hang with route runners with some level of speed. I do not think Garcon is on the same level as Johnny Knox w.r.t speed to run past Cromartie, to be frank. I think Knox clocked a 4.29 in his 40 or something and his go routes are faster. Neither is Peyton's arm at the same level as Jay Cutler though Peyton's accuracy (and of course, decision making & intelligence to read Ds) is much superior to Cutler's. Cutler has a major league pitcher's arm, it seems like. Cromartie is a bit stiff with his hips, hence he can be beat by guys like Wayne with superior route running but Revis is the CB that can hang with Wayne. That is why Cromartie will be on Garcon and Garcon will have issues with Cromartie, if his issues with Jason McCourty of the Titans who played him tight are any indication. Garcon's best chance to get some receptions would still be underneath or curls/comebacks as opposed to beating Cromartie over the top. Since Cromartie's tackling skills are more suspect than his cover skills, I would say that if Garcon can generate some separation for catches underneath and make Cromartie miss a tackle or two after the catch, long gains can be had.

RCAChainGang
01-08-2011, 03:10 AM
Garcon has awesome YAC. Yeah, I can see him snagging a bunch of curl/comebacks and using agility to pick up some extra yards.

Seamus2602
01-08-2011, 01:29 PM
I fancy the chances of our outside guys to get some exchange out of the Jets Cornerbacks. Reggie Wayne is the best route runner in the NFL. There were times in both games against the Jets last season when Reggie had the better of Revis. There was one play were he completely suckered him and it would have been a 60+ yard TD but Manning just overthrew Wayne. Similarly Cromartie should do well against Garcon but is prone to mistakes. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Colts get a big play or two from the outside.

That being said most of the game will have to focus on the inside guys so I fancy Blair White to give Kyle Wilson a few headaches while I don't think any of the Jets Linebackers or Safeties are good enough to cover Tamme one on one so I fancy him to have a good day.

The key is getting balance. Force their safeties to come closer to the line and their backers to play the run and Tamme and White will rip the seem to pieces all day long.

Philliez01
01-08-2011, 08:11 PM
Defensive is playing well right now and the OL is getting enough of a push to do well in the ground game. So far, so good.

MaxV
01-08-2011, 09:23 PM
Back to HORRIFIC run defense.

Philliez01
01-08-2011, 09:25 PM
I just have a helpless feeling. It's worse than when Manning was throwing INTs because you still have that feeling that they are just missing each other.

They just look dead out there. I'm just going to try and enjoy the rest of the game regardless of outcome. If they lose? At least there was another division championship and got to see them for another week. If they win? Rinse and repeat.

MaxV
01-08-2011, 09:34 PM
HORRIFIC play-call on 3rd-and-7. IT WON'T WORK EVERYTIME!!!

RCAChainGang
01-08-2011, 09:40 PM
"Sanchez has been high all night"
-Collinsworth

I loled

Edit: Wrong thread

MaxV
01-08-2011, 09:42 PM
I'm not sure I've ever seen something dumber then that play.

Nope, I haven't.

MaxV
01-08-2011, 09:46 PM
HUGE drive here.

COME ON OFFENSE! WIN IT!

RCAChainGang
01-08-2011, 09:49 PM
Wouldn't want it any other way. THIS is why Peyton is the best. Show us Peyton! Comon!!!

Philliez01
01-08-2011, 10:05 PM
Goodbye, 2010-11 season. Sigh. I hate seeing it go like that.

MaxV
01-08-2011, 10:06 PM
Just TERRIBLE!

Bootleg on the 3rd down (they pick that up, Jets wouldn't get a chance to come back), big return, giving Jets WRs 213423152 yards of cushion.

Ugh!

Congrats to the Jets.

RCAChainGang
01-08-2011, 10:08 PM
That was some ********!
Hate seeing the season end.
:/

MaxV
01-08-2011, 10:11 PM
I've started a Draft thread. I don't feel like posting the needs right now, but sometime later maybe.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2468961#post2468961

RCAChainGang
01-08-2011, 10:38 PM
Dang dude I don't understand how I feel so low right now.
It isn't like I played or was even a part of the organization of the Colts.
I'm dying a little inside haha. Something is wrong with me. I gotta find a hobby.

killxswitch
01-08-2011, 10:45 PM
I didnt' have high hopes for the postseason but I thought we'd get a better effort than that. Just some dumb, undisciplined football out there. This team would've gotten squashed by the Steelers so it is probably for the best that they lost. Still feels like a punch in the balls though. I thought that AV FG was the end but I gave the Colts special teams too much credit.

MaxV
01-08-2011, 11:09 PM
I had a bad feeling when we didn't convert on 3rd-on-7. There was still 54 seconds left on the clock. We convert that, it would probably be over.

Two key plays at the end. That one and the return (jeez, that was just completely inexcusable).

killxswitch
01-08-2011, 11:32 PM
I had a bad feeling when we didn't convert on 3rd-on-7. There was still 54 seconds left on the clock. We convert that, it would probably be over.

Two key plays at the end. That one and the return (jeez, that was just completely inexcusable).

Another key would be the Taj Smith brain fart. Lots of little turning points. A good playoff team would not have lost to the terrible Jets, but the Colts right now are not a good playoff team. They were lucky to be in the playoffs to begin with.

MaxV
01-09-2011, 12:04 AM
Another key would be the Taj Smith brain fart. Lots of little turning points. A good playoff team would not have lost to the terrible Jets, but the Colts right now are not a good playoff team. They were lucky to be in the playoffs to begin with.

I was going to mention that, but we took the lead after that, so I'm really not sure how much that play was a factor in the outcome.

Lots of things you can point to in this game:

Crappy play-calling. Like calling for a draw-plays on 3rd and long once too many. I know it worked a couple of times, but eventually you have to know Jets will anticipate it.

Not converting on 3rd-and-1 on three straight drives to start the game.

Our defense inability to do anything against the run in the 2nd half.

I think there is PLENTY of blame to go around for this game. Offense, Defense and ST all failed.

killxswitch
01-09-2011, 12:15 AM
Given all the injuries this season I am not going to dwell too much on the loss. It sucks but they seriously would've been slaughtered by the Steelers so at least we get a slightly better draft pick. Hopefully the team can re-load in the offseason and take some of the pressure to win off of Manning.

Jvig43
01-09-2011, 12:36 AM
Just wanted to come in and say you guys played a good game for the most part. The time out at the end had myself and four of my friends sitting there with the same exact look Manning had when it was called. STs screwed you guys on this one.

killxswitch
01-09-2011, 12:56 AM
Just wanted to come in and say you guys played a good game for the most part. The time out at the end had myself and four of my friends sitting there with the same exact look Manning had when it was called. STs screwed you guys on this one.

STs and coaching did their part but the defense give huge cushions in coverage and letting LT/Greene run wild didn't help either. I'm ready for the offseason, what a frustrating year.