Where would David Carr fit?

[bryanGENE]

Do yall think he would make a better fit in Cleveland or Oakland??

[JoeMontainya]

Cleveland, there an upgrade over Texans, the Raiders are worse and would only completely ruin carrs career.

[NIN1984]

Yup Browns maybe Vikings, that sounds good.

[bigmac076]

Cleveland Browns

[Geo]

The Oakland mention wasn't a bad one, I thought. Al Davis has been wise in giving former 1st round picks, who have been disappointing elsewhere, a fresh start with his team where the world wasn't asked of them. And Carr just may be the ideal quarterback for Kiffin's offense, he's more accurate and throws a better deep ball than Brady Quinn but also potentially has a better head on his shoulders and work ethic concerns than Jamarcus Russell. Just as importantly: (1) Carr doesn't carry the price tag of either Quinn or Russell; and (2) Carr gives the rookie head coach Lane Kiffin a young veteran quarterback to immediately work with, as he tries to revamp the Raiders offense.

For a 4th round pick and two years' worth of base salaries which aren't too costly for a starting quarterback, it might be the best course of action for the Raiders.

[bsaza2358]

I made a list of teams that could vie for Carr's services in the other thread:

Oakland
Cleveland
Carolina
Miami

Less Likely Destinations:

Kansas City
Minnesota
St. Louis
Jacksonville
Detroit

[Xiomera]

I made a list of teams that could vie for Carr's services in the other thread:

Oakland
Cleveland
Carolina
Miami
Detroit

Less Likely Destinations:

Kansas City
Minnesota
St. Louis
Jacksonville

Scratch off Detroit . . . unless we are getting him for free.

[KCJ58]

David Carr for the Raiders 4th round pick

[lod01]

No where. He is no good.

[bsaza2358]

Scratch off Detroit . . . unless we are getting him for free.

I actually meant to put him on the less likely list. However, I still like Carr better than Harrington.

[bsaza2358]

No where. He is no good.

Your contributions to this forum are most useless. Do some analysis, or don't post.

[JoeMontainya]

Cleveland was one of the teams that actually shown interest in him durring the teams trade rumors from Phil Savage and co.

[bsaza2358]

Cleveland wouldn't be a terrible option if Kellen Winslow is healthy.

[lod01]

Your contributions to this forum are most useless. Do some analysis, or don't post.

Just stating fact, buddy. Prove me wrong. Tell me about his greatest comback victory. How about his overall W-L record. Anything.....anything at all that says this bum has any NFL QB ability at all?

The fact is bud, that in their wins at the end of the season, Kubiak removed carr from the equation. The running game won for them and carr was not allowed to cost them more victories. THAT is fact.

Once again I state, in the same game, carr zero TD's 5 sacks, Sage 3 TD's zero sacks.

Explain that!!!!!!! I already did. Your turn.

[Shiver]

I personally don't think David Carr is cut out to be an NFL starter. He's the same as Patrick Ramsey was, now, he's gun shy.

[bsaza2358]

Just stating fact, buddy. Prove me wrong. Tell me about his greatest comback victory. How about his overall W-L record. Anything.....anything at all that says this bum has any NFL QB ability at all?

The fact is bud, that in their wins at the end of the season, Kubiak removed carr from the equation. The running game won for them and carr was not allowed to cost them more victories. THAT is fact.

Once again I state, in the same game, carr zero TD's 5 sacks, Sage 3 TD's zero sacks.

Explain that!!!!!!! I already did. Your turn.

See, that is what I'm looking for. Some actual contribution to the discussion! I'm not saying you're wrong. Just that saying "He's useless" is not valuable at all to this message board.

[Pit Bull #53]

I personally don't think David Carr is cut out to be an NFL starter.

I agree with that. He's gunshy. Whether it be from taking a consistent beatdown game in and game out, or because he's afraid to take shots downfield for fear of making a mistake, I don't know, but watching him the past 2 season, he seems to be permanently locked in checkdown mode. I'm not sure if a change of scenery will help him.

[Shiver]

I agree with that. He's gunshy. Whether it be from taking a consistent beatdown game in and game out, or because he's afraid to take shots downfield for fear of making a mistake, I don't know, but watching him the past 2 season, he seems to be permanently locked in checkdown mode. I'm not sure if a change of scenery will help him.

It's check-down, or sack, with Carr. On NFL Match-Up they showed plays where he didn't throw to wide open receivers, instead he would hang onto the ball too long. It's atypical of Tedford Quarterbacks. His offense didn't require them to read defenses. So when all these guys hit the NFL, they couldn't adjust.

[bsaza2358]

I'm not certain that Carr is not cut out to be a starter for the rest of his career. I think getting the crap kicked out of you by opposing defenses for 4 years makes you worry about your own safety and health. He has gotten hit (and gotten back up) more than any QB I can ever recall. He still has the physical gifts, but he needs his head on straight. Perhaps a chance to be a backup and learn an offense for a year would be best for him. I'm now agreeing that he shouldn't be a starter immediately in 2007. Maybe a backup and ready to play a few games in with no pressure on him (both media and defensive).

[lod01]

See, that is what I'm looking for. Some actual contribution to the discussion! I'm not saying you're wrong. Just that saying "He's useless" is not valuable at all to this message board.

Gotcha. Sorry man but I have been waiting for 4 years for this day and I had to just make a quick joyous post. I now get to see what Andre Johnson can really do.

[bsaza2358]

To be fair, pal, I'm not certain that Schaub is going to be any better than Carr. Sure, he's a new guy in town, but what has he ever really proven? Nothing more than Carr. Fractional TD/INT ratio, unimpressive passer rating. He brings potential and hope, but no guarantee of anything other than a lot of money in his bank account...

[Geo]

Kubiak having Carr look over his shoulders and harping in Carr's ear on not making mistakes to the point of having him be too tight on the field didn't help any, and it's not like Carr ever had anyone who could actually get consistent separation from defenders other than Andre Johnson (who unsurprisingly had a Pro Bowl year with Carr) and the runningbacks. Hell, the team just started incorporating the tight end this year since Carr has been there, for crying out loud.

WTF a team is thinking in not giving a young quarterback a tight end he can count on, I have no idea.

Carr can be a starter in this league imo, he just needs to wash himself of the Houston Texans franchise and move on to better coaching and better surrounding talent.

[bsaza2358]

The Texans drafted a TE named Bernie Joppru one year in the first or second round. He was supposed to be really good, but he tore up both knees (3 knee surgeries) and never saw the field. I think that was the only significant TE pickup the team made in its history...

[tylerb929]

Where does David Carr fit? I know I'm gonna get trashed for this comment, but...... Chicago, he's better than Rex and could compete there.

[Grizzlegom]

The Texans drafted a TE named Bernie Joppru one year in the first or second round. He was supposed to be really good, but he tore up both knees (3 knee surgeries) and never saw the field. I think that was the only significant TE pickup the team made in its history...

owen daniels? he was, staticstically, the best rookie TE last year...

[Geo]

It's ridiculous. Could you imagine if Michael Vick, another former 1st overall pick, never had Alge Crumpler? And at least the Falcons spent two 1st round picks on wide receivers, and also traded for Ashley Lelie, which is more than the Texans could ever say. Nevermind the Falcons' actually having a running game to depend on.

[lod01]

To be fair, pal, I'm not certain that Schaub is going to be any better than Carr. Sure, he's a new guy in town, but what has he ever really proven? Nothing more than Carr. Fractional TD/INT ratio, unimpressive passer rating. He brings potential and hope, but no guarantee of anything other than a lot of money in his bank account...


All I can say is I know he's better. They just had to do something. To continue with carr was saying 'we really are not looking to ever compete'. I have some small reservations about Schaub but he is not in a bad situation really. He floated a few bad passes last year but if you go by what ATL fans say, the WR's there are horrid. I saw some bad passes, but who doesn't throw some. He would have been far worse off in Oakland or Minn. Oak REALLY has no o-line. Minn has horrid WR's. I think he can win them games that carr could never even imagine winning.

[lod01]

Where does David Carr fit? I know I'm gonna get trashed for this comment, but...... Chicago, he's better than Rex and could compete there.


Be careful what you wish for. Do you think Carr can put the ball on teh money for Berrian 40 yards downfield? He couldn't for AJ. Berrian is no Andre Johnson either. You just want to dink and dunk the ball? Carr is your man then. But you won't win games. Better hope that D can put up points.

[cordscords]

If Rodgers is dealt to OAK, how about GB?

[DeathbyStat]

Please go to the Browns, i'd rather play him twice year than Brady quinn plus clevelands line isn't much better than the texans, Steinbach or not

[Green Bay Scat]

Id love for carr to go to Green Bay, I think hes a good QB, just had his career messed up at houston ala Patrick Ramsey. I think he could learn and then replace favre and possibly allows us to shop Rodgers, although i still love Rodgers as he reminds me of our former QB(Junior College)

[liquidswords]

IMO, he should be a back-up for Carolina. Delhomme is on thin ice over there, he would have a good oppurtunity to resurect his career with a good team.

[lod01]

Id love for carr to go to Green Bay, I think hes a good QB, just had his career messed up at houston ala Patrick Ramsey. I think he could learn and then replace favre and possibly allows us to shop Rodgers, although i still love Rodgers as he reminds me of our former QB(Junior College)

Carr is a proven loser. Not that I think Rogers is a winner, but I know Carr is not. With Carr, there is no such thing as a downfield passing game. Keith Bollock of the Titans said so. He was qouted as saying Carr was no threat to beat them. He just dinks and dunks and can't beat you deep. He is 100% right.

[Staubach12]

I see Minny.

[TheChampIsHere]

yeah I could definetely see the Raiders making a move for him. There should be a decent market for Carr and Id expect the Texans will get a day 2 pick for him.

[D-Unit]

He can be a backup in Dallas.

But I think he should start leading the charge for a new NFL team in Los Angeles.

[geaux tigers]

dont brees need a backup?

[lurkin012]

He wood fit in the canaydean leeg! lol

[Zim3031]

I imagine that he would make a highly sought after backup. Good backup quarterbacks are becoming more important and more difficult to find. Someone like Carr with a good 5 seasons of starting under his belt will get himself lots of attention I'm sure.

[Windy]

It's hard for me to believe Gary Kubiak and Al Davis would do a trade.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Oakland please.

[portermvp84]

It will either be Oakland or a team that is in need of a backup like Saints, Minnestoa etc....

[America]

I hope he goes to a good team. I always felt bad for him, everyone here in Houston bashed him day in and day out. I really think we've ruined him beyond repair. I hope we trade him to the Panthers so he can throw to Smitty, or to the Seahawks. I'm probably the only one on here who thinks Andre Johnson is overrated. He didn't do much after the catch last year and he dropped a lot of crucial passes. I'm so sick of Texans management.

[bigbluedefense]

No where. David Carr is most likely a backup qb anywhere. Enough of the oline excuses. Carr is to blame for alot of the sacks as well. Watch the Texans play then come back to me. He has no fire, he has no leadership. He's very content on checking down and not losing the game, and having someone else to blame for the losses. He doesn't have the heart of a champion. He doesn't go out and try to win games.

The excuses need to end. David Carr is simply not that good of a qb.

[RaiderNation]

David Carr for the Raiders 4th round pick

then calvin johnson in the 1st

[lod01]

No where. David Carr is most likely a backup qb anywhere. Enough of the oline excuses. Carr is to blame for alot of the sacks as well. Watch the Texans play then come back to me. He has no fire, he has no leadership. He's very content on checking down and not losing the game, and having someone else to blame for the losses. He doesn't have the heart of a champion. He doesn't go out and try to win games.

The excuses need to end. David Carr is simply not that good of a qb.

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!

Someone else has watched this guy masquerade as a QB far too long.

Put Carr in oakland and just make sure you have the ambulance ready...and a body bag.

[bigbluedefense]

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!

Someone else has watched this guy masquerade as a QB far too long.

Put Carr in oakland and just make sure you have the ambulance ready...and a body bag.

Yup. Are you a Texans fan? Im sure Texans fans can back us up on this. If you watch him play, you see that he was simply not a good player.

Its no coincidence that when the backup qb went in the game, sacks went down and points went up.

[lod01]

I hope he goes to a good team. I always felt bad for him, everyone here in Houston bashed him day in and day out. I really think we've ruined him beyond repair. I hope we trade him to the Panthers so he can throw to Smitty, or to the Seahawks. I'm probably the only one on here who thinks Andre Johnson is overrated. He didn't do much after the catch last year and he dropped a lot of crucial passes. I'm so sick of Texans management.

I would say you are the only one. Andre does drop catchable balls but he has also been handcuffed since his entry into the league. This year we will see Andre score some big TD's. Not this dink and dunk crap, where he has to make a big play from a 5 yard pass.

[lod01]

Yup. Are you a Texans fan? Im sure Texans fans can back us up on this. If you watch him play, you see that he was simply not a good player.

Its no coincidence that when the backup qb went in the game, sacks went down and points went up.

Andre Johnson fan. I've posted that repeatedly here and elsewhere and anyone who blames the o-line instantly diasappears from the conversation.

Once again, it goes like this. Week 8 vs TENN. Keith Bollock comments 'Carr is not a threat to beat us'.

Stat line, each playing 1/2.
PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT
S.Rosenfels 25 18 186 0/0 3 28 1 116.0
D.Carr 21 15 113 4/20 0 17 1 64.2

Say what you want but if the O-line was so bad, how did Rosenfels not get sacked? He only ran 1 time. Same as Carr.

[San Diego Chicken]

I know that Miami is very intersted in obtaining Trent Green, so perhaps Carr could be a fallback option for them, though I'm not sure that Carr is what Cameron looks for in a quarterback. But, the only way it looks like he'll be traded is if he restructures his deal, otherwise, he could just be released.

Tough break for Carr. It's hard coming into an expansion situation as a rookie and being annointed right away. Carr can ask Kerry Collins or Tim Couch how that worked out for them.

[zjstratton]

carr can be a starter somewhere, just not for the texans. maybe if had some time to throw then he might have been a better QB. being sacked 250+ times in 5 years, what QB could take that punishment. bring in schaub is a good move, but they must address their offensive line in the draft.

[#1chiefs_fan]

I think clevland would be a good place for Carr. There offensive line is hell of alot better than the texans every had. Or possibly Carolina, they currently have no backup behind incosistent Jake Delehomme and he would have all the things he would of dreamed of in Houston. David Carr isn't bad, I live in Houston and if you have ever watched a Texans game, you will know that David Carr was lucky to get 3 seconds to survey the field. In a good suituation, I think he has all the tools to be a above average Qb in the NFL.

[cunningham06]

On the far side of the bench...

[icantackleclaret]

I would take a chance on him to battle in Cleveland. If that means we are going AP in the draft I'm in.

[neko4]

Im still a David Carr-Houston fan, but those days seem to be coming to a close

[Bearsfan123]

i wanna see tapes from his first year in the league, not videos of the now terrified QB once known as David Carr. I think with the right coaching he could be solid.

[Non_Sequitur]

Personally I think he'd make a nice upgrade over Mchael Vick at the QB position......

[art vandelay]

He needs to go somewhere with an o-line. Hell, he deserves it after 5 years in hell in Texas.

[Non_Sequitur]

He needs to go somewhere with an o-line. Hell, he deserves it after 5 years in hell in Texas.

The Browns are actually trying to build a line up there. If they luck out and land Joe Thomas... that'd be a nice place for a QB to go.

[Shiver]

Personally I think he'd make a nice upgrade over Mchael Vick at the QB position......

Personally, I don't care what you think, because that doesn't make any sense.

[Non_Sequitur]

Personally, I don't care what you think, because that doesn't make any sense.

It's called a joke.... Vick is a RB not a QB... haha joke?:roll:

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

I hope he comes to Oakland.I still think he can be a starter.

[Oaktown1981]

Anywhere but Oakland. I think Minnesota or Carolina would be a good fit.

[duckseason]

It'll be hilarious if Carr moves on and becomes a star, while Schaub languishes in Houston. I think they'll both prove to be quality starters though.

[niel89]

The Browns are actually trying to build a line up there. If they luck out and land Joe Thomas... that'd be a nice place for a QB to go.

no thats a lie Cleavland is a bad place for anyone to go, they all develop freak injuries and staph(sp?) infections :D

[Grid]

Oakland is a real possibilities for Carr to land. There has been some rumor of Carr being involved in trade talk with Oakland and Randy Moss or draft picks. Kiffin is a huge fan of Carr QB coach from Fresno State and Kiffin wants him in Oakland.

I think Texans have some understanding with some team for Carr deal and as soon as Matt Shaub deal is finalized on Thursday you will soon hear where Carr will go.

Traded - From Oakland to Houston - Randy Moss;
From Houston to Oakland - Carr (proven QB in NFL who was drafted on top of his class, just the kind of man Oakland owners loves to have).

Houston will have all play maker they will need on offense. Change of scenery will be good for both Houston and David Carr.

[PACKmanN]

if they were smart they would move him to a NFC team and i think thats what they will do. There would be a less chance of Carr facing Houston.

[GadoR'Savior]

No one has mentioned the Packers?? Well i will, he IS Favres replacement, Hopefully they realize this and trade Rodgers for Moss and make a trade to get Carr

[eacantdraft]

No one has mentioned the Packers?? Well i will, he IS Favres replacement, Hopefully they realize this and trade Rodgers for Moss and make a trade to get Carr

That is not going to happen and Carr has lots of tread worn off his tires after playing behind that offensive line for 5 season. The Moss for Rogers trade is dead in the water.

[lod01]

He needs to go somewhere with an o-line. Hell, he deserves it after 5 years in hell in Texas.

A brick wall in front of this guy wouln't help. He would still take off running with his head down, hauling ass towards the sidelines at the count of 3.

[lod01]

No one has mentioned the Packers?? Well i will, he IS Favres replacement, Hopefully they realize this and trade Rodgers for Moss and make a trade to get Carr


LOL. Never seen Carr play have you. If you had, you would not wish that type of punishment of the Packers.

[Sveen]

One thing is for certain. He doesn't deserve to be sent to Oakland. He's been on his back enough during his time in Houston. Minnesota or Carolina would be good fits I think.

[eacantdraft]

With Carr's contract, he probably can't be traded. He will be release after June 1st.

[portermvp84]

I think the Raiders should trade him and a 4th for Randy Moss and a pick.

[Splat]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=rotowire-avidarrotoasytoeal&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy

Update: The Texans are finding it difficult to trade Carr, whose base salaries of $5.5 million this year and $6 million in 2008 are making teams leery of trading for him, the Houston Chronicle reports.

Recommendation: Houston's trade for quarterback Matt Schaub from Atlanta spells the end for Carr. If the Texans can't trade Carr, look for the team to waive him and make him free to sign with any team.

[cordscords]

No one has mentioned the Packers?? Well i will, he IS Favres replacement, Hopefully they realize this and trade Rodgers for Moss and make a trade to get Carr


I mentioned it on page 1. I made an argument why we should trade Rodgers for Moss, and pick up Carr in the link below.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2284&page=15

[eacantdraft]

No one has mentioned the Packers?? Well i will, he IS Favres replacement, Hopefully they realize this and trade Rodgers for Moss and make a trade to get Carr

How can he be Favre's replacement when he is not even on Green Bay? And I think Green Bay is a long shot to even get Carr.

[lod01]

Hell freezes over before Ted Thompson wastes time with David Carr. Any football mind already knows Carr is garbage. At best he is a backup. You start this guy and make sure you are scouting the available top 10 players in the following year's draft.

[Big Mike]

DEtroit or Buffalo unless Losman steps up

[Grid]

Hot rumor circulating in Houston is that David Carr will be dealt with in a week if not with in day or two. We don't know to which team yet?

According to Rick Smith today during Matt Schaub press conference, he did say Carr will be traded. And according to his brother who posts on Texans official web site has said Carr may be dealt with in next 48 hrs.

Seems like Carr is headed to No Cal again ....... where it all began for him.

[dcarey20]

I think Miami would be a great fit.

[Dunta_23]

Hell freezes over before Ted Thompson wastes time with David Carr. Any football mind already knows Carr is garbage. At best he is a backup. You start this guy and make sure you are scouting the available top 10 players in the following year's draft.

You talk about how great Sage Rosenfels is and how bad Carr is...yet how come Kubiak never started Sage over David and how come he was willing to give up picks and a move down in the draft to get another QB to be the starter and not give Sage a shot....could it be that Sage isnt really that good?

[SchizophrenicBatman]

They should trade him to the Yankees

[Non_Sequitur]

I think Miami would be a great fit.

With that line? He needs protection. Browns after they draft Joe Thomas.

[Grid]

Here is the most recent article on Houston Texans and what Rick Smith and Bob McNair had to say about Carr and how they want to go about this matter.

Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4654842.html

[Shiver]

Here is where Carr deserves to be;

http://img.search.com/c/c3/AFL.gif

Brad Childress was asked about Carr, and here is what he said:

I always struggled with where his release came from. It's kind of a drop-down, three-quarter release. ... He can make some of the throws; he can't make all the throws.

[Dunta_23]

Brad Childress' QB's last yr were also Brad Johnson and Tarvaris Jackson

[portermvp84]

I'm hoping he comes to Oakland more than anything. Even know we have a bad line we could at least use some leadership.

[lod01]

You talk about how great Sage Rosenfels is and how bad Carr is...yet how come Kubiak never started Sage over David and how come he was willing to give up picks and a move down in the draft to get another QB to be the starter and not give Sage a shot....could it be that Sage isnt really that good?

If you look at what happened, Sage was on his way to REPLACING Carr when he got hurt. So said the Houston Chronicle

Sage Rosenfels would've been the Texans' starter for the final month of 2006 if he hadn't fractured his hand, according to the Houston Chronicle.

The Texans' staff seems to believe Rosenfels, who completed nearly 70 percent of his passes in limited action last year, is now worthy of a shot to start. We suspect it'll be against Jake Plummer and/or a first-day rookie.


http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NFL&ID=1276

I don't know that Sage is the answer, neither do the Texans but they were getting ready to find out when he got hurt and they had to continue (as a lost cause) with carr. Had they gotten more of a look at Rosenfels, and he impressed, Schaub would probably not be here.

[lod01]

Brad Childress' QB's last yr were also Brad Johnson and Tarvaris Jackson

So that should give you a clue as to how absolutely AWFUL David Carr is. When a team with nothing at QB has no interest in a 5 year vet., he's a BUM.