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Babylon

01-05-2011, 05:05 PM

everyone is just gunna start naming off their favorite prospect...

Or their mock draft's second round i guess, oh well. I was thinking guys who are borderline 1sts that for whatever reason fall to the top of the second. I know New England will be looking for that Michael Floyd or JJ watt to be there at the top of the second.

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01-05-2011, 05:06 PM

DeMarcus Love? HELL NO.

After last night, dude is not worth a 2nd rounder.

ElectricEye

01-05-2011, 05:07 PM

Cameron Heyward before last night :/

Babylon

01-05-2011, 05:18 PM

DeMarcus Love? HELL NO.

After last night, dude is not worth a 2nd rounder.

He did get abused but he's pretty versatile and could probably play near anywhere on the offensive line, the way Heyward was jacked up he might have given anyone trouble.

njx9

01-05-2011, 05:18 PM

Cameron Heyward before last night :/

not in the country, so can't even use the espn3 replay (so, sorry for what would otherwise be an easy question to answer for myself), but did he bump his stock up or down?

Sniper

01-05-2011, 05:19 PM

not in the country, so can't even use the espn3 replay (so, sorry for what would otherwise be an easy question to answer for myself), but did he bump his stock up or down?

Up. He embarrassed DeMarcus Love.

Forenci

01-05-2011, 05:20 PM

not in the country, so can't even use the espn3 replay (so, sorry for what would otherwise be an easy question to answer for myself), but did he bump his stock up or down?

Up, big time. He dominated the game. While playing hurt, too.

ElectricEye

01-05-2011, 05:21 PM

not in the country, so can't even use the espn3 replay (so, sorry for what would otherwise be an easy question to answer for myself), but did he bump his stock up or down?

There's not much he could have done better. Should have been the MVP of the game. Consistently destroyed DeMarcus Love. Not sure there's any way he escapes the top 20 after last night and a strong Senior Bowl.

TACKLE

01-05-2011, 05:22 PM

Put Kyle Rudolph, who just declared, at the top of the list if he makes it to the second, as he probably should coming off an injury.

Mason Foster
Marcus Cannon
Kris Odowd
Cameron Jordan
JJ Watt
Damarcus Love
Michael Floyd

Any more?????

These two will not be second round picks. It's more likely that both go top 20 than it is that one falls to the second round.

njx9

01-05-2011, 05:22 PM

heh, word, thanks, and ****. i was hoping he'd slip to our pick in the second.

ChiFan24

01-05-2011, 05:25 PM

not in the country, so can't even use the espn3 replay (so, sorry for what would otherwise be an easy question to answer for myself), but did he bump his stock up or down?

Up. Abused DeMarcus Love a couple times as well as Arkansas's other OT, lined up on both sides, drew a crucial holding penalty and ended up with 1.5 sacks I believe. I never understood how he fell out of the first round discussion, he's outstanding at holding the POA.

Likewise, I never understood how Love was in it. He reminds me so much of Frank Omiyale.

rainbeaukid2

01-05-2011, 05:27 PM

These two will not be second round picks. It's more likely that both go top 20 than it is that one falls to the second round.

i agree, cameron jordan is a monster who, i think has the potential to be one of the top dlineman out of this draft, especially for a 3-4 team

ChiFan24

01-05-2011, 05:28 PM

Babylon

01-05-2011, 05:34 PM

Also, for the OP, I'd be shocked if Cam Jordan's stock went down from this point forward. If anything, I can see him shooting up into the top ten discussion.

My favorite guys for this list would be Jerrell Jernigan and Christian Ponder.

I think there is probably an outside chance that one of the so-called top 5 QBs falls to the top of the second round. Possible, based on post season interviews and combine.

SenorGato

01-05-2011, 05:36 PM

Cameron Heyward before last night :/

Heyward was always a top 15 pick IMO...it's just that shiny new toy syndrome kicked in and everyone found someone else.

You don't get guys with his size, pedigree, and skill outside of the top 20 picks...And I say this with full acknowledgement that there are guys in this draft with similar size and I guess skillsets...he's a much better player than all of them.

wonderbredd24

01-05-2011, 05:36 PM

Mason Foster is a nice player, but 2nd round? Seems like a reach

njx9

01-05-2011, 05:38 PM

I think there is probably an outside chance that one of the so-called top 5 QBs falls to the top of the second round. Possible, based on post season interviews and combine.

based on history, at least one *will* fall out of the first.

also based on history, everyone on nfldc will think it's crazy (unless it's locker, newton or mallett, in which case only some people will think it's crazy, and some will think he should've fallen further), then be shocked when he sucks (see: clausen, quinn). some team everyone thought *had* to take a qb will refuse to take one.

Babylon

01-05-2011, 05:39 PM

Mason Foster is a nice player, but 2nd round? Seems like a reach

I honestly think if he had played at USC he would be a #1 pick, he's better than Keith Rivers as far as i'm concerned, non stop motor and doesnt take any plays off. Obviously i'm biased.

Babylon

01-05-2011, 05:43 PM

based on history, at least one *will* fall out of the first.

also based on history, everyone on nfldc will think it's crazy (unless it's locker, newton or mallett, in which case only some people will think it's crazy, and some will think he should've fallen further), then be shocked when he sucks (see: clausen, quinn). some team everyone thought *had* to take a qb will refuse to take one.

We had 6 in 83 and 5 in 99 so history doesnt always show it will happen but i think with some guys having small resumes, character issues, bad years....we could see it happen.

njx9

01-05-2011, 05:57 PM

We had 6 in 83 and 5 in 99 so history doesnt always show it will happen but i think with some guys having small resumes, character issues, bad years....we could see it happen.

i was just thinking recent history, and more related to nfldc than real life.

thegreatone

01-05-2011, 06:08 PM

Titus Young

bruschis4all

01-05-2011, 06:34 PM

M. Pouncey and S. Wisniewski will both be solid pros. I don't think either go in the first round. On defense, M. Wilkerson - DT 4-3 OR 3-4 DE from Temple.

descendency

01-05-2011, 06:37 PM

heh, word, thanks, and ****. i was hoping he'd slip to our pick in the second.

It was highly unlikely unless another top tier 30 front 34 DE fell to the Patriots, who need at least 1. If he fell to 32nd, he'd either be the 32nd or 33rd pick.

will99890

01-05-2011, 06:44 PM

I honestly think if he had played at USC he would be a #1 pick, he's better than Keith Rivers as far as i'm concerned, non stop motor and doesnt take any plays off. Obviously i'm biased.

Agreed. He's lost in the football abyss that is the Pacific Northwest. Really stood out when I watched them last year. In the game or two I caught this year, Locker and Foster seemed to be the only players who looked like they belonged on the field with big time programs.

TACKLE

01-05-2011, 06:47 PM

Mason Foster is a nice player, but 2nd round? Seems like a reach

Absolutely not. Foster is the best non-edge rushing LB in the draft.

MassNole

01-05-2011, 08:12 PM

Rodney Hudson of Florida State may fall to the second. He will make some team very happy for a long, long time.

SenorGato

01-05-2011, 09:36 PM

M. Pouncey and S. Wisniewski will both be solid pros. I don't think either go in the first round. On defense, M. Wilkerson - DT 4-3 OR 3-4 DE from Temple.

This year's Kendall Langford...he'll come into this league and maybe steal a starting spot...like Langford did in '08, he has everything but a big time program pedigree to be a first rounder.

Kris O'Dowd
Rudolph or DJ Williams whichever one doesn't go in the first
Powe and/or Ellis
Tyron Smith - Like him much, much, much more out of the first. Needs more time in the oven.
Bruce Carter
Lawrence Guy

There's going to be some good players in Round 2...by some I maybe mean alot.

Master Exploder

01-05-2011, 09:50 PM

Jerrel Jernigan

cdmPSU17

01-05-2011, 10:09 PM

Evan Royshahahahaha...Sorry, couldn't say that with a straight face. But seriously, I think he's a solid pro--Brandon Jackson-esque.

Probably Ryan Broyles. Would be a mid-late first rounder any other year but this just happens to be one of the deepest and most talented WR classes in recent memory.

nofalcons10

01-06-2011, 03:20 AM

Put Kyle Rudolph, who just declared, at the top of the list if he makes it to the second, as he probably should coming off an injury.

Mason Foster
Marcus Cannon
Kris Odowd
Cameron Jordan
JJ Watt
Damarcus Love
Michael Floyd

Any more?????

Watt would never slip past New Orleans i can promise you that. Gregg williams has been looking for a talented DE like Watt since coming to N.O. The saints would've taken hughes last year had robinson not fallen so far.

Cameron Heyward before last night :/

Evan Royshahahahaha...Sorry, couldn't say that with a straight face. But seriously, I think he's a solid pro--Brandon Jackson-esque.

Probably Ryan Broyles. Would be a mid-late first rounder any other year but this just happens to be one of the deepest and most talented WR classes in recent memory.

Heward could probably even play DT in a 4-3 for some teams.

Ryan broyles is a very good player. He and Randall Cobb would be a great pick up for most teams in the second round. Definitely steal quality.

1funguy

01-06-2011, 06:36 AM

Marvin Austin

Sniper

01-06-2011, 08:08 AM

Marvin Austin

Lawlzzzzzzzzzz.

bigbluedefense

01-06-2011, 08:10 AM

I really like the running back from Oklahoma, DeMarco Murray.

no bare feet

01-06-2011, 08:13 AM

Jimmy Smith

mdmgrand

01-06-2011, 08:35 AM

John Clay to the Green Bay Packers

LonghornsLegend

01-06-2011, 10:36 AM

Probably Ryan Broyles. Would be a mid-late first rounder any other year but this just happens to be one of the deepest and most talented WR classes in recent memory.

Good call. Broyles is one of my favorite guys in the mold of a Mike Wallace or Santonio Holmes, he probably won't be able to make the 1st but he'll be good value for a team like Atlanta who could use some speed.

Watt would never slip past New Orleans i can promise you that. Gregg williams has been looking for a talented DE like Watt since coming to N.O. The saints would've taken hughes last year had robinson not fallen so far.

Huh? For one the Saints didn't have a choice to pick Hughes, he was picked by the Colts before so that wasn't even an option. Also Robinson fell far in the draft, really? He wasn't considered to be a 1st round CB by anyone, and seeing as how McCourty and Kyle Wilson(who was the 1 who actually slid far to some people) were taken right before Robinson it's safe to say that it was a reach to take him where he was at.

nofalcons10

01-06-2011, 04:30 PM

Huh? For one the Saints didn't have a choice to pick Hughes, he was picked by the Colts before so that wasn't even an option. Also Robinson fell far in the draft, really? He wasn't considered to be a 1st round CB by anyone, and seeing as how McCourty and Kyle Wilson(who was the 1 who actually slid far to some people) were taken right before Robinson it's safe to say that it was a reach to take him where he was at.

The Saints were prepared to take TCU rush specialist Jerry Hughes at No. 32 when the Colts nabbed him right from under their noses at No. 31.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/04/new_orleans_saints_still_have.html
How hard was that?

The saints are loving the robinson pick. I know that several saints fans are happy that we took him when when did.

SenorGato

01-06-2011, 04:58 PM

Robinson had a first round grade a corner...more first round-y than Kyle Wilson, who went before him. I had him after Haden, McCourty, and Jackson...before Wilson.

Morton

01-06-2011, 05:47 PM

- Drake Nevis, a classic penetrating 4-3 DT who has first round talent but will drop due to the sheer quantity of DL who are going to be picked in the first round this year.

- Stephen Wisnieski. This guy is going to be an All-Pro guard or center in the league for many years but because teams don't value interior linemen in the first round he's going to drop into the second.

- Mikell LeShoure, who projects as a 1000 yard rusher for many years in the NFL. He's a big, tough back with great cutting and pass-catching ability. I think that Mark Ingram is going to be the only RB selected in the first round this year.

- Gabe Carimi is one of the best OT prospects in a while and there is a strong chance he slips into the second round because teams will likely grade him as a G in the NFL. Whoever gets him after the #20 pick, much less in the second round, is going to be guilty of highway robbery.

Those are my four big second round steals. BTW Cameron Jordan is NOT falling out of the first round. Not gonna happen. He's getting picked right after Fairley and Dareus.

1funguy

01-07-2011, 06:27 AM

Lawlzzzzzzzzzz.

Find someone to manage his personality/character "issues" (if they aren't mostly NCAA-inspired) & you'll have a dominating defensive lineman. He had a 1st round grade in nearly everyone's book until he ran afoul of the pious NCAA rules - what a buncha hypocrites.

Living in ACC country, I've watched what Austin can do in person.

What do you base your above in-depth response on?

LonghornsLegend

01-07-2011, 11:08 AM

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/04/new_orleans_saints_still_have.html
How hard was that?

The saints are loving the robinson pick. I know that several saints fans are happy that we took him when when did.

What does any of that have to do with what you said:

The saints would've taken hughes last year had robinson not fallen so far.

That's not accurate. Robinson didn't have anything to do with it because you didn't have a choice to take Hughes. So no, they would not have taken Hughes if Robinson hadn't "fallen" in your definition because he wasn't there for them to take him. You didn't say "the Saints would have been all over Hughes if the Colts didn't take him".

You can't say a team would have taken anybody if he was gone before they were on the clock because they didn't have a choice.

Robinson had a first round grade a corner...more first round-y than Kyle Wilson, who went before him. I had him after Haden, McCourty, and Jackson...before Wilson.

So you would say he fell pretty far in the draft then?

ATLDirtyBirds

01-07-2011, 11:14 AM

Pouncey and Jernigan.

ElectricEye

01-07-2011, 12:13 PM

LonghornsLegend

01-07-2011, 12:29 PM

I like Leonard Hankerson a lot even though he's going to be a possible third rounder now, but second round isn't out of the question yet. Probably not a "steal" type pick as a guy who exceeds expectations of a second round pick, but he could very easily live up to them and there's something to be said for that.

Does he have more explosiveness then say a Limas Sweed or Malcolm Kelly? I know 2nd/3rd round isn't really that early, but you at least want more then just an average/solid #2 WR with a pick that high. I'm just wondering about his ceiling as a pro and where that is at.

Monomach

01-07-2011, 12:30 PM

Torrey Smith.

rainbeaukid2

01-07-2011, 01:34 PM

Rahim Moore, he might get taken in the first because he is technically the top ranked safety, but overall its a pretty weak S class so he might slide as teams don't feel a need to possibly reach

princefielder28

01-07-2011, 02:02 PM

Jimmy Smith

Jimmy is the one I was looking for in this thread and you got it!

ElectricEye

01-07-2011, 02:06 PM

Does he have more explosiveness then say a Limas Sweed or Malcolm Kelly? I know 2nd/3rd round isn't really that early, but you at least want more then just an average/solid #2 WR with a pick that high. I'm just wondering about his ceiling as a pro and where that is at.

I don't think he'll run as fast as Sweed did, but he's not as stiff or as one dimensional. He's a good route runner, fast enough, and has good hands. Decent catch radius too. Reminds me a little of James Jones, except he's a little bigger.

Babylon

01-07-2011, 02:28 PM

- Drake Nevis, a classic penetrating 4-3 DT who has first round talent but will drop due to the sheer quantity of DL who are going to be picked in the first round this year.

- Stephen Wisnieski. This guy is going to be an All-Pro guard or center in the league for many years but because teams don't value interior linemen in the first round he's going to drop into the second.

- Mikell LeShoure, who projects as a 1000 yard rusher for many years in the NFL. He's a big, tough back with great cutting and pass-catching ability. I think that Mark Ingram is going to be the only RB selected in the first round this year.

Gabe Carimi is one of the best OT prospects in a while and there is a strong chance he slips into the second round because teams will likely grade him as a G in the NFL. Whoever gets him after the #20 pick, much less in the second round, is going to be guilty of highway robbery.

Those are my four big second round steals. BTW Cameron Jordan is NOT falling out of the first round. Not gonna happen. He's getting picked right after Fairley and Dareus.

Not sure why he is going to be looked at as a guard and at around 6-6 he'd be pretty tall for that position. History, supply and demand, however you want to look at it, says there will be at least 3 or 4 OTs taken. Gabe Carimi will be one of the top tackles taken.

JPP90

01-07-2011, 03:01 PM

Not sure why he is going to be looked at as a guard and at around 6-6 he'd be pretty tall for that position. History, supply and demand, however you want to look at it, says there will be at least 3 or 4 OTs taken. Gabe Carimi will be one of the top tackles taken.

Zach Hurd is 6'7 and an OG so it happens but Carimi at OG, I've seen no mention of that anywhere. He's a 1st round franchise OT.