Quick 1st Rounder w/ trades

[darnik44two]

1. Raiders - JaMarcus Russell

2. Browns (from DET) - Brady Quinn

3. Arizona (from DET through CLE) - Joe Thomas

4. Buccaneers - Calvin Johnson

5. Lions (from ARI) - Gaines Adams

6. Patriots (from WAS) - LaRon Landry

7. Bills (from MIN) - Adrian Peterson

8. Texans - Alan Branch

9. Dolphins - Levi Brown

10. Falcons - Amobi Okoye

11. 49ers - Patrick Willis

12. Vikings (from BUF) - Robert Meachem

13. Rams - Ted Ginn

14. Panthers - Jamaal Anderson

15. Steelers - Adam Carriker

16. Packers - Marshawn Lynch

17. Jaguars - Paul Posluszny

18. Bengals - Leon Hall

19. Titans - Dwayne Bowe

20. Giants - Darrelle Revis

21. Broncos - Brandon Meriweather

22. Cowboys - Jarvis Moss

23. Chiefs - Chris Houston

24. Redskins (from NE through SEA) - Reggie Nelson

25. Jets - Greg Olsen

26. Eagles - Michael Griffin

27. Saints - Aaron Ross

28. Redskins (from NE)- Marcus McCauley

29. Ravens - Joe Staley

30. Chargers - Dwayne Jarrett

31. Vikings (from CHI) - Drew Stanton

32. Colts - Jon Beason

[Don Vito]

I doubt we trade up that high to get Landry. He is a great player who would fill one of our biggest needs, but it takes a lot for this organization to trade up for a player, and I don't know if they are that high on Landry. I would be perfectly happy to get Nelson at #24 and then use the #28 on an ILB or maybe a CB.

[darnik44two]

I doubt we trade up that high to get Landry. He is a great player who would fill one of our biggest needs, but it takes a lot for this organization to trade up for a player, and I don't know if they are that high on Landry. I would be perfectly happy to get Nelson at #24 and then use the #28 on an ILB or maybe a CB.

Maybe a move like this is why they have been so active in FA.

[KCJ58]

hate the rams pikc dont need a WR in the 1st day

[darnik44two]

hate the rams pikc dont need a WR in the 1st day

What do the 49ers, Cardinals, and Seahawks all lack? Depth in the secondary. What better way to exploit their division foes than to put a guy like Ted Ginn in the Slot. They would have a great 4 wide package and a distinct advantage over divisional opponents defenses. Also Devin Hester last year showed how valuble a reliable playmaker in the return game can be. They say defense wins championships, but the Colts showed offense can win championships too, and the Rams would have a very strong offense. Marc Bulger, Stephen Jackson, Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, Drew Bennett, and Joel Klopfenstein would equal a lot of points on the board. Taking Ginn also begins preparation for when Bruce decides to call it a career.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

doubt the cowboys pass on Nelson

[darnik44two]

doubt the cowboys pass on Nelson


They are about to sign Ken Hamlin, it's all but official.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10072261

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Really? well then. I don't think the Cowboys go OLB three years in a row in the first round, but its a possibility along with a WR or CB or Tank Tyler

[darnik44two]

Really? well then. I don't think the Cowboys go OLB three years in a row in the first round, but its a possibility along with a WR or CB or Tank Tyler

WR is certainly a possibility, not sure Tyler would be a good value there. CB in the first would make for one hell of a high paid secondary provided they sign Hamlin, with Williams, Henry, and Newman already having hefty contracts. LB's are the heart and soul of the 3-4.

[SFbear]

The Bears wouldnt trade with the Vikings unless they gave us a king's ransom.

[The Dynasty]

Nice pick for the Vikings, Id love to have Meachem on the Vikings. I dont like the trade up to grab Stanton when he could be there with the 41st pick. If we trade up id hope we nab Anthony Spencer.

[BengalsPwn]

Matt Millen isnt smart enough to trade down twice. But I like the rest of the mock. Nice bengals pick, I like Hall in our scheme. I think the Pats trade is very possible and the rest of the mock is on target. Good job.

[darnik44two]

Nice pick for the Vikings, Id love to have Meachem on the Vikings. I dont like the trade up to grab Stanton when he could be there with the 41st pick. If we trade up id hope we nab Anthony Spencer.

They would trade up to get in front of Detroit who in this scenario would likely take him at #34. They would use the #41 and the 2nd they get from the Bills to move up.

[darnik44two]

Matt Millen isnt smart enough to trade down twice. But I like the rest of the mock. Nice bengals pick, I like Hall in our scheme. I think the Pats trade is very possible and the rest of the mock is on target. Good job.

Ever hear the saying, "even a blind squirrel gets an acorn some times," Matt Millen is the squirrel here.

[T-RICH49]

oh man if it came down to Houston or Jarrett I'd be gald I would not be making that call.good pick though

[darnik44two]

oh man if it came down to Houston or Jarrett I'd be gald I would not be making that call.good pick though

The depth at the WR position in this draft class is the deciding factor along with a few questions looming around Jarrett.

[21ST]

Horrible redskins pick, we dont need a safety give us charles johnson.

[darnik44two]

Horrible redskins pick, we dont need a safety give us charles johnson.

haha, I was going to reply to your post in my other mock by saying then you won't like my mock with trades. Actually a move I was forgetting about would be the skins using the second first round pick and trading down to the second adding a pick and taking Johnson there. He's just not worth a first round pick IMO.

Like it that way?

[Severe Punishment]

Let me preface this by saying I normally agree with you darnik
and I like your takes on most things but this is a terrible Vikings draft.
The entire reasoning for us taking Quinn would be because it's brady Quinn an elite talent if BQ or J-Russ isn't there...we won't take a day 1 QB. We might not even take a QB in the draft. So trading up for Drew Stanton isn't an option.
2nd , If we trade down we won't take a flanker WR like I believe Meachem is. Plus he was picked about 10 slots to hight....Dewane Bowe would be alright there...as would Greg Olsen...Meachem would be alright in the 2nd ...but I just don't think there's anyway the team could justify trading down to 12 to take a guy 15 spots higher (although with jackson last year it could be a trend should it happen).

Overall I like the trades and it adds some pinage' but it's pretty unrealistic as far as the purple go.

[49erfaithful]

give SF Carriker

[darnik44two]

Let me preface this by saying I normally agree with you darnik
and I like your takes on most things but this is a terrible Vikings draft.
The entire reasoning for us taking Quinn would be because it's brady Quinn an elite talent if BQ or J-Russ isn't there...we won't take a day 1 QB. We might not even take a QB in the draft. So trading up for Drew Stanton isn't an option.
2nd , If we trade down we won't take a flanker WR like I believe Meachem is. Plus he was picked about 10 slots to hight....Dewane Bowe would be alright there...as would Greg Olsen...Meachem would be alright in the 2nd ...but I just don't think there's anyway the team could justify trading down to 12 to take a guy 15 spots higher (although with jackson last year it could be a trend should it happen).

Overall I like the trades and it adds some pinage' but it's pretty unrealistic as far as the purple go.

Well here are my thoughts. I personally don't see Meachem as a flanker. To me he's the #2 WR in the draft and worthy of a top 15 pick. He has good size, speed, hands, and route running ability. He is versatile enough to move around the formation and exploit defenses. But this would come down to their preference and evaluation. There was a good article on Meachem the other day at ESPN.com. If you read it you may be wearing a Meachem sig, lol. With Stanton, I see him as an insurance pick. Jackson very well may be the man, but he still has alot of questions to answer. I very well could be way off with this pick, but if I'm the Vikings I would want to enter the season with a back-up plan. They would use their second and the second they recieve from Buffalo, so they still have the same number of picks they enter the draft with and possibly an extra late rounder from Buffalo. Thanks for the input though.

[darnik44two]

give SF Carriker

If I do that then I can't give him to my Steelers.

[RaiderNation]

good raider pick

[Severe Punishment]

Actually IMO Jackson is the back up / insurance plan. Bollinger probably has the upper hand as he has had more than a season to understand the NFL and how the game works. We basically gave up last year when we put Jax in just to see what he could do. We saw..0-4 and 2 offensive td's. I think he's exactly what everyone else thinks...he's a project with very little understanding and skill. Now, We recently resigned Drew Henson..meaning we have more QB's on the roster than WR's.
Like I said, Quinn is an elite talent who would be drafted to elevate the skill at the position. Henson is another guy with so many question marks he shouldnt warrent a 1st round tab.

Now I love Meachem, he's probably one of my 4 favorite people (not players) in the draft. but this team has plenty of "good guys" with moderate talent. We need a guy whose going to be a difference maker.
Now if you have him as the 2nd best WR then it would make sense to put him there...but I don't really believe that come draft day he'll be viewed as the #2 WR prospect ahead of Bowe/Ginn/Jarrett or even Rice.
Meachem to me is a very late first early 2nd because of the depth of the position.

...just curious what exactly did we get for trading down and what'd we give up for trading up ? (which seeing as how we have a need for a ILB/DE/2-3 WR's/RT and FS I'm not sure how we could afford to give up pix....I'm hoping it's players. (we have abundance of 2nd round O-Line Failures you could give away...lol.

[luckyjackaubrey]

Maybe a move like this is why they have been so active in FA.

I think they have been so active in FA because they see themselves as built for a championship run and view established veteran talent as the best pieces to plug into their needs.
I think they also feel that this is not a deep draft as far as high end, round one talent. They find themselves holding the only multiple 1st round picks in a draft where they would be over paying if they reach for players they like.

I would not rule out the trade up - Landry is a great talent. I just feel they are best served trading down for more picks in the 2nd and 3rd.

[darnik44two]

Actually IMO Jackson is the back up / insurance plan. Bollinger probably has the upper hand as he has had more than a season to understand the NFL and how the game works. We basically gave up last year when we put Jax in just to see what he could do. We saw..0-4 and 2 offensive td's. I think he's exactly what everyone else thinks...he's a project with very little understanding and skill. Now, We recently resigned Drew Henson..meaning we have more QB's on the roster than WR's.
Like I said, Quinn is an elite talent who would be drafted to elevate the skill at the position. Henson is another guy with so many question marks he shouldnt warrent a 1st round tab.

Now I love Meachem, he's probably one of my 4 favorite people (not players) in the draft. but this team has plenty of "good guys" with moderate talent. We need a guy whose going to be a difference maker.
Now if you have him as the 2nd best WR then it would make sense to put him there...but I don't really believe that come draft day he'll be viewed as the #2 WR prospect ahead of Bowe/Ginn/Jarrett or even Rice.
Meachem to me is a very late first early 2nd because of the depth of the position.

...just curious what exactly did we get for trading down and what'd we give up for trading up ? (which seeing as how we have a need for a ILB/DE/2-3 WR's/RT and FS I'm not sure how we could afford to give up pix....I'm hoping it's players. (we have abundance of 2nd round O-Line Failures you could give away...lol.

Really, Bollinger has the upper hand. I haven't personally seen him play a single down in the NFL, but he wouldn't strike me as a guy with a ton of starter potential. Like I said, I haven't seen him, so I could be wrong. In the trades you get Buffalo's 2nd, and maybe a late round pick. To trade up you use the #41 and the 2nd you recieve from Buffalo. So if you get a late rounder in the Buffalo trade there is still a net gain of one pick.

[Severe Punishment]

This is just my opinion on Bolllinger but he looked as good in pre season and was inserted before jackson (but got hurt) plus he has more expereince in the league (more time understanding the playbook) plus Childress loves him. So IMO he's probably got the upper hand right now.

I really thought we gave up to much for jackson and now that he's played I want those picks back.

Buffalo's 2nd would probably bring David Harris here (value plus we lack a solid legit Mike ...right now we have 2 ? in Cirrucci (sp) and Leber isn't an "elite" talent inside. Not sure what we're giving Chicago (a division rival) but it can't be good :))

[darnik44two]

This is just my opinion on Bolllinger but he looked as good in pre season and was inserted before jackson (but got hurt) plus he has more expereince in the league (more time understanding the playbook) plus Childress loves him. So IMO he's probably got the upper hand right now.

I really thought we gave up to much for jackson and now that he's played I want those picks back.

Buffalo's 2nd would probably bring David Harris here (value plus we lack a solid legit Mike ...right now we have 2 ? in Cirrucci (sp) and Leber isn't an "elite" talent inside. Not sure what we're giving Chicago (a division rival) but it can't be good :))

Them trading up for Jackson last year was the single biggest surprise of the whole draft to me. He seemed like a guy who would be there in the 4th. When they did that I was like "what?"

[eaglesalltheway]

Good Eagles pick, but some of the trades were a bit far fetched.

[Severe Punishment]

Them trading up for Jackson last year was the single biggest surprise of the whole draft to me. He seemed like a guy who would be there in the 4th. When they did that I was like "what?" You me and the entire state of Minnesota. Seriously I doubt there were 20 people in the entire state who knew who that guy was at the time.

[darnik44two]

1. Raiders - JaMarcus Russell

2. Browns (from DET) - Brady Quinn

3. Arizona (from DET through CLE) - Joe Thomas

4. Atlanta (from TB) - Calvin Johnson

5. Lions (from ARI) - Gaines Adams

6. Patriots (from WAS) - LaRon Landry

7. Bills (from MIN) - Adrian Peterson

8. Tampa Bay (from ATL through HOU) - Amobi Okoye

9. Dolphins - Levi Brown

10. Texans (from ATL) - Alan Branch

11. 49ers - Patrick Willis

12. Steelers (from MIN through BUF) - Adam Carriker

13. Rams - Ted Ginn

14. Panthers - Jamaal Anderson

15. Vikings (from Steelers) - Robert Meachem

16. Packers - Marshawn Lynch

17. Jaguars - Paul Posluszny

18. Bengals - Leon Hall

19. Titans - Dwayne Bowe

20. Giants - Darrelle Revis

21. Broncos - Brandon Meriweather

22. Cowboys - Jarvis Moss

23. Chiefs - Chris Houston

24. Lions (from WAS through NE through SEA) - Reggie Nelson

25. Jets - Greg Olsen

26. Eagles - Michael Griffin

27. Saints - Aaron Ross

28. Redskins (from NE)- Marcus McCauley

29. Ravens - Joe Staley

30. Chargers - Dwayne Jarrett

31. Vikings (from CHI) - Drew Stanton

32. Colts - Jon Beason

[Caddy]

Great Buc draft