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Sniper
01-06-2011, 04:03 PM
New thread for a new year! Bad news, everyone but Michigan fans- Rich Rod is gone!

iowatreat54
01-06-2011, 04:42 PM
You were waiting on that glorious announcement to launch this thread, weren't you?

Ahh the smell of a fresh Big Ten thread.

Let's start this off right...last week of the season brings the new Farmaggeddon. **** you Wisconsin, you can't just decide who gets to be your rivals, especially when you have absolutely no attachment other than our AD used to go to school there. Iowa-Nebraska was so painfully obvious for the last weekend and a new rivalry that I don't know how anyone could deny that. Iowa-Nebraska >>>>>>>>>>> Wisconsin-Nebraska.

Oh also, suckers got screwed in the divisional allignment. :)

keylime_5
01-06-2011, 09:05 PM
Daniel Herron says he's returning for his senior year. That leaves just Mike Adams to confirm he's staying and that he's not gonna betray his word, and there are some doubters.

I know, pretty boring for the third post in the thread. so I'll add this:

http://www.wolfgnards.com/media/blogs/photos/miscellaneous/T-Rex-Jet.jpg

jnew76
01-07-2011, 01:46 PM
ESPN is reporting that there have been about 20 of these billboards put up in Columbus, Ohio. I got a little chuckle out of it.

PS - I hope Nebraska goes 0-8 in conference this year.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0107/dal_e_tcubillboard_sy_576.jpg

keylime_5
01-07-2011, 02:21 PM
too bad Ohio State fans really don't care about TCU. We won our bowl and we didn't play TCU. They could put one up on Gee's street, but this is about the same as Cincinnati putting up those "Ohio's BCS team" billboards last year. Little Brother complex.

iowatreat54
01-07-2011, 02:22 PM
So with the expectation that Shaun Prater, Tyler Sash, and Marvin McNutt are going to skip their senior seasons, Iowa is going to be a pretty young/green team this year...

QB - Jonathon Moxon - RS Junior with 2 starts + other limited PT
RB - Marcus Coker - True Soph and monster - 622 yards in 3 starts + some
Deandre Johnson - RS Freshman
Rodney Coe/Mikail McCall - True Freshmen
WR - Keenan Davis - True Junior - Limited PT last 2 seasons and basically
only returning WR with experience
Jordan Cotton/Other RS Jrs/RS or True Sophs
TE - Brad Herman - Senior - Back up TE this year with good experience
CJ Fiedorowicz - True Soph - STs experience
LT - Riley Reiff - RS Jr - no explanation necessary
LG - Adam Gettis - RS Sr - some experience, always hurt
C - James Ferentz - True Jr. - good experience
RG - Nolan MacMillan/Casey McMillan - RS Soph - limited to no experience
RT - Markus Zusevics - Sr. - Started every game in 2010

DE - Broderick Binns - Senior - Was starter in 2009 and half of 2010
DT - Mike Daniels - Senior - Beasted in 2010 as a part time starter
DT - Steve Bigch - Jr. - Limited experience
DE - Lebron Daniel - Senior - Limited Experience
LB - Tyler Nielsen - Senior - Limited Experience
LB - James Morris - True Soph - Prepare your anuses Big Ten
LB - Someone that has limited to no experience
CB - Micah Hyde - Jr. - INT return specialist
CB - Greg Castillo/William Lowe - Soph/Jr - limited experience and meh
SS - Tanner Miller - Soph - 1 game experience (I think)
FS - Jordan Bernstein - Senior - Used to start at CB

So yea, that's a lot of inexperience and youth. Should be an eventful season. Hopefully Coker can just go Shonn Greene on everyone and the defense is somewhat dominant as usual.

Sniper
01-07-2011, 05:11 PM
QB - Jonathon Moxon - RS Junior with 2 starts + other limited PT

Wait, this guy?

http://fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Mox-Moxon-300x173.jpg

BuckeyeDan17
01-07-2011, 05:38 PM
Is John Vought (sp?) also taking over as Iowa's head coach?

THIS, IS A RUNNIN' TEAM BOY

iowatreat54
01-07-2011, 06:18 PM
The son that came from this greatness:

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/522/mrsvand1.jpg

is who our QB is.

The rest of the Big Ten can thank us later.

Sniper
01-07-2011, 06:19 PM
Whatever happened to John Weinke?

iowatreat54
01-07-2011, 06:24 PM
Whatever happened to John Weinke?

From what I've gathered, he and Vandenberg were basically level last year and the staff liked Vandenberg just a bit more, which is why he go the nod at NW, OSU, and Minnesota. He's supposedly not too far behind.

I mean, as of right now, Vandenberg is assumed to be the starter, but it isn't set in stone. Weinke will have a shot and if he has a good offseason we could see splitting snaps to start the year much like Iowa did in 08 with Christensen and Stanzi, in actually a very similar situation coming in.

Hines
01-08-2011, 08:42 AM
Robert Bolden is not leaving Penn State.

ironman4579
01-08-2011, 08:53 AM
Robert Bolden is not leaving Penn State.

By choice?

Hines
01-08-2011, 09:02 AM
By choice?

Somewhat. Now I am just paraphrasing because I was too lazy to read the whole article, but I believe that his HS coach told him to stay and had a talk with him. So, I guess he got forced to stay and he also wanted to stay by just cooling down and thinking things over. I don't know.

JoeJoeBrown
01-08-2011, 01:00 PM
Check out this late cheap shot Arky mofo try to take Heyward out.

Grayson should get his ass kicked. Apparently he's done this before. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPBQycImw0)

BuckeyeDan17
01-08-2011, 01:07 PM
Check out this late cheap shot Arky mofo try to take Heyward out.

Grayson should get his ass kicked. Apparently he's done this before. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPBQycImw0)

Yeah, that sucked. Either way, Heyward, taking those shots and working through those holes showed how much of an animal he can really be.

We have no one that can play like him for next year.

How do you guys think our DL will look?

DE: Williams
DT: Hankerson
DT:Simon
DE: Newsome? Durham? Where will Bellamy get his snaps? We've a lot of youth here. Talented indeed, but young.

Our defense is about to go through a big makeover. Dorant Grant and Dom Clarke will battle for time opposite Howard at CB I think.

I hope Guiton or Taylor Grahm get the nod over Bauserman.

iowatreat54
01-08-2011, 01:32 PM
Iowa City is apparently the new center for the most musically gifted people...

X9sKhZJNhHk

Just the latest in the long line of recent awesome Iowa music/music videos.

Don Vito
01-08-2011, 01:35 PM
Not confirmed but there are rumblings that Miles could be Michigan's coach within the next day or two.

ElectricEye
01-08-2011, 01:38 PM
Check out this late cheap shot Arky mofo try to take Heyward out.

Grayson should get his ass kicked. Apparently he's done this before. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPBQycImw0)

That's completely bush league crap. Can't believe that. Saw it live, but I thought he was on the ground anyway. Complete intent to injure there....Good thing it didn't amount to anything serious.

Don Vito
01-08-2011, 03:55 PM
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7238/michiganwebchat.gif

ironman4579
01-08-2011, 04:04 PM
Not confirmed but there are rumblings that Miles could be Michigan's coach within the next day or two.

My guess is, not happening. The rumblings seem to be coming from LSU message boards, while LSU's players are saying no chance he goes. Neither is really a great source. I'd say at this point there's about as much chance of Brady Hoke as Les Miles.

keylime_5
01-08-2011, 05:02 PM
Yeah, that sucked. Either way, Heyward, taking those shots and working through those holes showed how much of an animal he can really be.

We have no one that can play like him for next year.

How do you guys think our DL will look?

DE: Williams
DT: Hankerson
DT:Simon
DE: Newsome? Durham? Where will Bellamy get his snaps? We've a lot of youth here. Talented indeed, but young.

Our defense is about to go through a big makeover. Dorant Grant and Dom Clarke will battle for time opposite Howard at CB I think.

I hope Guiton or Taylor Grahm get the nod over Bauserman.


LEO-Nathan Williams
DT-John Simon
DT-Johnathan Hankins
DE-Keith Wells (transfers back in the spring)

I think Adam Bellamy might start at the DE opposite Williams since we run an odd front (43 over or straight 34) a lot of the time, especially if Wells is in the doghouse or out of shape or something. Bellamy and Garrett Goebel will play a lot at DE and DT that's for sure.

I think Dionte Allen from Florida State might start opposite Howard at CB, but it could be Clarke who knows.

I hope Braxton Miller tears it up this spring and summer and beats out Bauserman and Guiton for the QB job. No one knows how good Graham is, he missed most of his senior year with injury and most of his freshman year here with injury. Seems like Tressel would put in a runner like Guiton or Miller before he puts out a green QB like Graham who is solely a pocket passer.

We lose a lot on defense (Hines, Heyward, Rolle, Homan, Chekwa, Torrence, Gant, Larimore) but we'll still be really awesome on that side of the ball next year, that's how awesome Tressel is. Barnett and Moeller come back from injury, Sabino takes off his redshirt, Sweat moves to WLB where he will dominate, and either Storm Klein or Dorian Bell step into the 3rd LB spot. Howard and Bryant and Hankins all looked like they are ready to start as well based on their play this year.

Hines
01-08-2011, 05:13 PM
Hopefully PSU gets a very good OL coach because they have some very nice talent to work with in the next few years.

Sniper
01-08-2011, 05:13 PM
Dionte Allen is awful.

dansaint
01-08-2011, 06:08 PM
hoping beyond hope that LeShoure, Luiget, or Wilson stick around for their Senior season (really hoping all 3 do but that's fantasy land).

Illinois will always be a "middle of the pack"...so all we really want are bowl games and signs of improvement. Illinois is never gonna compete for the Big 10 title (we may get lucky here or there but it'll never be consistent)...so as long as we can get some good recruits in here and be competitive...that's all any Illini fan can realistically hope for.

Hoping for a 9-3 or 8-4 season

keylime_5
01-08-2011, 06:32 PM
Dionte Allen is awful.

sour grapes much sniper? :D

seriously though, the coaches loved him when he was a recruit because his skills were a perfect fit for what we like to do on defense so maybe they can rekindle some kind of fire out of him as a 5th year senior. They say he looked good in practice this year on the scout team. At worst he'll provide more competition with guys like Dominic Clarke, Bradley Roby, and Doran Grant for that open starting corner spot opposite Travis Howard.

Sniper
01-09-2011, 09:25 AM
sour grapes much sniper? :D

No, not at all. I watched him play at FSU- he's not good.

ironman4579
01-09-2011, 11:03 AM
My guess is, not happening. The rumblings seem to be coming from LSU message boards, while LSU's players are saying no chance he goes. Neither is really a great source. I'd say at this point there's about as much chance of Brady Hoke as Les Miles.

I hate quoting myself, but I'm definately backing off this statement, at least the "not happening" part. Miles to Michigan seems to be picking up speed, as a rumor at least.

HindSight
01-10-2011, 10:44 AM
That's completely bush league crap. Can't believe that. Saw it live, but I thought he was on the ground anyway. Complete intent to injure there....Good thing it didn't amount to anything serious.
happened right after halftime, too. I wonder if he got any instruction from Arky's staff to take Heyward out.




(I don't really "wonder")

Giantsfan1080
01-10-2011, 11:15 AM
I thought this was interesting for you Michigan fans. From a Bruce Feldman article:


For the past three years I have been granted unfettered access to the Michigan football program, from the meeting room to the locker room, to write a book about what I've seen. I thought I knew college football, and particularly Michigan football, as well as anyone. But after three years of seeing everything up close, I can tell you this unequivocally: I had no idea.

If the tenure of Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez, who was fired Wednesday, looked chaotic to outsiders, it appeared positively crazy from the inside.In this story, Bacon talks about how Michigan had offered the coaching job to Greg Schiano, but he turned it down, so they turned to Rodriguez. A source I have once told me that Schiano regretted that decision right after he made it and frantically tried to get back in on the Wolverines job, but it was too late. Rodriguez had jumped at it. I'm curious about whether things would have been different in the Big East and the Big Ten if he had taken it instead of Rodriguez.

Marino13
01-10-2011, 11:24 AM
yeah under Bill Martin there was a lot of chaos mainly because everybody advising him said go after Les Miles, but Llyod told him no. Then Rod had a lot of problems with different factions (some his fault, some not), but most of the damage was unrepairable after Michigan got sanctioned.

Only poor thing Brandon has done so far is fire Rod so close to signing day. Only been 5 days, but a new coach is going to have a lot of work to do getting a class together.

As for the search, reports are Miles will be interviewed tomorrow, but insiders feel Brady Hoke will end up as the coach. Seems like some within the university still have bad blood with Les.

Sniper
01-11-2011, 07:53 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/22310/brent-pease-leaves-iu-returns-to-boise

Boise State just announced that Brent Pease will return to the school and receive a promotion to offensive coordinator. Pease had previously worked with Boise State's receivers before leaving to become Indiana's offensive coordinator.

Sniper
01-11-2011, 07:54 AM
http://www.sportswriters.net/fwaa/news/2010/allamerica110110.html

FWAA freshman All-American team.

TE Ted Bolser, Indiana 6-6 252 Cincinnati, Ohio

DT Akeem Spence, Illinois 6-1 305 Fort Walton Beach, Fla.

ironman4579
01-11-2011, 12:54 PM
My one prediction for the 2011 Michigan football season, regardless of who the next head coach is. Vincent Smith will go from having the most carries among the returning RB's to the least.

Marino13
01-11-2011, 01:44 PM
My one prediction for the 2011 Michigan football season, regardless of who the next head coach is. Vincent Smith will go from having the most carries among the returning RB's to the least.

part of me wants to think/hopes that his poor year was still because he was coming off an ACL tear, but I'd agree. I think Touissant will get a chance for more carries.

keylime_5
01-11-2011, 01:58 PM
this is why the AP Poll is complete horse****. Not to mention that Herbstreit/ESPN have an agenda:

http://www.theozone.net/football/2011/herbstreitballot.html

JoeJoeBrown
01-11-2011, 01:59 PM
The Iowa football team was remarkably prescient when asked about UM's coaching situation years and years ago.

Hokey Pokey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEiNIT18Wsw)

iowatreat54
01-11-2011, 02:07 PM
Guys, if Iowa doesn't win the National Championship next year, I hope you do. That way, at least we can all say we won a football national championship in 2011-12.

Also, if we don't, I hope one of you wins the first Big Ten championship. It will really be something to say we won the very first Big Ten championship game.

JoeJoeBrown
01-11-2011, 02:17 PM
this is why the AP Poll is complete horse****. Not to mention that Herbstreit/ESPN have an agenda:

http://www.theozone.net/football/2011/herbstreitballot.html

Yep, Herbstreit is an empty suit. Programmed by his superiors to follow their agenda. Which in this case is pro-SEC/anti B1G. Trying to slide OSU out of the top 5, which didn't work.

There is nothing objective in their CFB work anymore. It's all scripted WWE style. It is really beginning to drain on the enjoyment of college sports.

I can't wait for Fox or CBS to scoop up the B1G, Big 12, and Pac12 contracts. It's complete horsepoo.

P-L
01-11-2011, 03:03 PM
I wanted to post this here, because the guys at GBW will not appreciate it and will probably rip me for posting it. I know guys like Sniper and ironman will appreciate it.

I fail to see any logical reasoning behind the assertion that we could just plug in a new defensive coordinator and we would've been fine. Rod had already hired two defensive coordinators at U-M and both were huge misses. Could the third time have been the charm? Maybe, but I certainly wouldn't assume it to be the case. What makes everyone think that a good defensive coordinator would come here knowing that if he didn't perform a miracle, he would be one and done? I don't think we have a lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball. It doesn't matter who is at fault, it just isn't there. A defensive coordinator's primary responsibility is calling the defensive plays while the defensive assistants' primary responsibility is coaching and developing the talent. Is anyone really going to try and argue that defensive play calling was the difference between 10-3 and 7-6? Not only would we need a new defensive coordinator, but new position coaches on that side of the ball as well. Would Rod have agreed to fire his guys that he's been loyal to for most of his career? How much difference would a new coordinator really make? In our six losses, we were outscored by an average of 21 points per game. That's three touchdowns per game. Which coach would make up that big of a difference? Bill Belichick could've been defensive coordinator and we might have ended up with one more win. Our defense is in shambles and has hit rock bottom. It is AT LEAST two years away from being where it needs to be. A new defensive coordinator likely wouldn't be afforded that time.

I also don't believe our offense is as strong as many Michigan want you to believe. It averaged 12.7 points per game against Michigan State, Ohio State, and Mississippi State. 13 points isn't going to beat very many ranked teams, unless you have an elite defense. The offense scored 7 points in the first half combined, against Iowa and Wisconsin. We did not surpass 20 points in either game until both of those games were out of reach and our opponents let off the gas. Purdue held us to less points (27) then their season average (28.8). Only Ball State and Northwestern scored fewer points against the Boilermakers and 7 of our 27 points came off of a defensive score. Ohio State, Michigan State, Purdue, and Mississippi State all held our offense to fewer points then their average. 67 points against Illinois was exciting, but it took us 20 possessions and 3 overtimes to get there. The yardage numbers are awesome, but you need to get into the end zone. You don't win games by racking up lots of yards. Our offense was very good and looked promising, but it wasn't great like a lot of people think it was.

Ultimately, for me, it came down to improvement. I know wins and losses are what matter most, but I don't believe the team was as good as their record indicated. I didn't see the overall improvement that other claim we had. Sure the offense improved, but defense and special teams got much worse. We were 7-6 but that was not without some luck. If not for a ridiculous catch by Junior Hemingway against Indiana and an uncharacteristic stop by the defense in the third overtime against Illinois, we could've just as easily been 5-7 or 6-7. If we went and replayed the season today, the team would struggle to get to 7-6 again.

Am I happy about how the current situation has happened? No, but I'm not as pessimistic as most are. No damage has been done yet. We may lose a couple of recruits? Ok, but you don't keep a football coach who is a terrible fit just to hang onto a couple of high school kids who may or may not pan out. As of now, it only looks like this coaching change is going to cost us one guy. Dee Hart had said he was decommitting regardless of if Rodriguez was retained or not. I don't love Brady Hoke, and he certainly is no where near the top of my wish list, but I think he can do better at Michigan than Rich Rodriguez did. He doesn't run a 3-3-5 scheme by the way. He runs a "whatever best utilizes the talent on my roster". He ran a 4-3 at Ball State. It's been stated before that when he got to San Diego State the team had very little talent on the defensive line and it's best players were in the secondary. I'd be stunned to see him keep the 3-3-5 at Michigan considering that our defensive line is the only unit that could be considered somewhat of a strength and our secondary is atrocious. It will be nice to have a coach who tailors his scheme to his players' talents instead of forcing his players into his scheme.

Marino13
01-11-2011, 04:06 PM
a report just came out said that the team, cheered when Brady Hoke was announced as the new coach.

iowatreat54
01-11-2011, 04:12 PM
a report just came out said that the team, cheered when Brady Hoke was announced as the new coach.

A 2nd report came out shortly after stating that the players from the defense are still cheering because they can't stop anything.

iowatreat54
01-11-2011, 04:15 PM
So going forward, how does Michigan look now with the personnel they have and what Hoke is going to run?

I'm assuming their defense is still going to be underwhelming, but might be better now that the god awful 3-3-5 is gone. Will Hoke immediately try to change the offense, or will he let it ride with Denard while trying to slowly implement his offense?

Marino13
01-11-2011, 04:18 PM
So going forward, how does Michigan look now with the personnel they have and what Hoke is going to run?

I'm assuming their defense is still going to be underwhelming, but might be better now that the god awful 3-3-5 is gone. Will Hoke immediately try to change the offense, or will he let it ride with Denard while trying to slowly implement his offense?

everybody says Hoke adapts to his players. He ran a 4-3 at Ball State but let Rocky Long run a 3-3-5 at SDSU. We'll see.

iowatreat54
01-11-2011, 04:49 PM
everybody says Hoke adapts to his players. He ran a 4-3 at Ball State but let Rocky Long run a 3-3-5 at SDSU. We'll see.

Better hope you move from the 3-3-5 at least after this year. That **** sucks so hard.

So what do those of infinite wisdom over at mgoblog have to say about this blasphemous act of replacing richrod?

Sniper
01-11-2011, 04:51 PM
everybody says Hoke adapts to his players. He ran a 4-3 at Ball State but let Rocky Long run a 3-3-5 at SDSU. We'll see.

Wait, he lets his DC actually choose what defense he runs? What a loser.

Marino13
01-11-2011, 05:13 PM
Wait, he lets his DC actually choose what defense he runs? What a loser.

yeah it's a novel concept. Another thing I'm seeing/hearing is Hoke wants his teams to be physical and disciplined.

Sniper
01-11-2011, 05:15 PM
yeah it's a novel concept. Another thing I'm seeing/hearing is Hoke wants his teams to be physical and disciplined.

We can't be having that. Next thing you're going to tell me is that he doesn't want them to fumble.

P-L
01-11-2011, 05:29 PM
So what do those of infinite wisdom over at mgoblog have to say about this blasphemous act of replacing richrod?
MGoBlog is currently down (the message boards at least). But here is a quote from GBW:

This in a thread titles "early 2011 win projection":
1-11 with Hoke

12-1 if Rich was still here

Marino13
01-11-2011, 05:38 PM
Braylon tweeted this

All current players, students, faculty & all of my fellow alumnus we need to unite, stand by him, be patient, & support him! #GoBlue

So far I know for a fact that Ron Bellamy, Dan Dierdorf, Braylon, Dhani Jones, Mike Hart, and Rich Eisen have all been open about being thrilled with the hire with Woodson, Brady, and Griese all being said to be thrilled with the hire.

Sniper
01-11-2011, 05:40 PM
San Diego State's kicker this year- 17/22, 54/56 XP.
Scoring defense: 36th.
Passing defense: 38th.
Rushing defense: 58th.

Marino13
01-11-2011, 05:44 PM
San Diego State's kicker this year- 17/22, 54/56 XP.
Scoring defense: 36th.
Passing defense: 38th.
Rushing defense: 58th.

somebody on Rivals said that SDSUs ST coach was coming to Michigan, but no idea if true.

Supposedly DeAnthony Arnett tweeted that Brady Hoke gave him a call, and there are rumors he has also called Anthony Zettel

Sniper
01-11-2011, 05:52 PM
Braylon tweeted this

All current players, students, faculty & all of my fellow alumnus we need to unite, stand by him, be patient, & support him! #GoBlue

So far I know for a fact that Ron Bellamy, Dan Dierdorf, Braylon, Dhani Jones, Mike Hart, and Rich Eisen have all been open about being thrilled with the hire with Woodson, Brady, and Griese all being said to be thrilled with the hire.

Who are all those scrubs? KEEP RICH RODZZZZZ!

I really, really like the hire and I may like it even more depending on what his staff looks like.

Marino13
01-11-2011, 07:42 PM
not for sure, but here is the RUMORED Brady Hoke Coaching Staff (again RUMORED)

OC- Al Borges
DC or Secondary- Jon Hoke
QB- Scot Loeffler
RB-DeAndre Smith
WR- Erik Campbell
TE/ST-Dan Ferrigno
DL-Keith Gilmore
S&C-Aaron Wellman

Once again, this is all based on rumblings, but it sounds VERY VERY likely that Forrigno, Gilmore, and Smith are coming

iowatreat54
01-11-2011, 07:53 PM
Soup is ours. No trade backs.

ironman4579
01-11-2011, 10:00 PM
I'm fine with the hire, and I'll be really happy if the staff looks good. I'll miss Fred Jackson's hyperbole though.

ironman4579
01-11-2011, 10:47 PM
I wanted to post this here, because the guys at GBW will not appreciate it and will probably rip me for posting it. I know guys like Sniper and ironman will appreciate it.

You can post any facts you want, and the GBW and MBgoblog guys will quote you yards per game numbers. It doesn't matter what anyone says to them, because they have become Rodriguez disciples and worship at the altar of the spread.

You'll notice that all of Brian's potential coaching candidates were spread guys. They seem to feel that the only way to win in college football is with the offense that beat you a few times during Carr's tenure. I think you would have had a tough time finding any pro style coach that they would have been happy about.

Hell, they even try and turn non spread teams into spread teams to justify why it's better. According to some Mgoer's (even Brian has perpetuated this), Ohio State runs a spread, as does Penn State. I saw one guy who argued that every time a QB was in shotgun it was a spread.

There's been several posts like "Pro style just means "not good enough"" or "Well, I guess that means back to pro style, ie. boring football." I'm sorry, would you rather win 17-10 or lose 47-45? For me, winning is exciting. Great defense is exciting. Sending a bunch of guys to the NFL is exciting. And the not good enough part is equally as stupid. I'm pretty sure that a good half of the past 11-12 national champios have run a pro style offense.

It's just ridiculous. Even though I know it won't happen, I'd love to see Michigan win 10+ games next year so they can choke on it really.

Marino13
01-11-2011, 11:02 PM
I'm fine with the hire, and I'll be really happy if the staff looks good. I'll miss Fred Jackson's hyperbole though.

Sounds like Jackson will have a job. Those were all names Rivals said have been linked to Michigan. But it is all but confirmed that Borges wants to come to Michigan as well.

Lastest news is Brandon is letting Hoke hire whoever he wants. He will bring some SDSU guys, but will also bring in guys with a ties to Michigan.

Oh and sounds like Tate is leaving

keylime_5
01-11-2011, 11:10 PM
LB Dorian Bell suspended 2 games for the reefer. Already served one game of that suspension so far at the Sugar Bowl, will sit out against Akron this September too. C'mon Dorian, that's not way to compete for a starting job.

bearsfan_51
01-12-2011, 12:32 AM
So we're doing the depth chart thing already? New thread magic!

QB- Marqueis Gray, Junior
RB- Deleon Eskridge, Senior
FB- Ed Cotton, Junior
WR- Da'Jon McKnight, Senior
WR- Brandon Green, Junior
TE- Eric Lair, Senior
T- Ed Olson Jr., Sophmore
G- Chris Bunders, Senior
C- Ryan Wynn, Senior
G- Ryan Orton, Senior
T- Jimmy Gjere, Freshman

DE- Anthony Jacobs, Senior
DT- Brandon Kirksey, Senior
DT- Jewhan Edwards, Senior
DE- Kendall Gregory McGhee, Sophmore
LB-Gary Tinsley, Senior
LB- Keanon Cooper, Junior
LB- Mike Rallis, Junior
CB- Troy Stoudermire, Senior
CB- Michael Carter, Junior
S- Chrystan Lewis, Senior
S- James Manuel, Sophmore

Things could certainly change with the new coaching staff, but that's a surprising amount of experience.

Smooth Criminal
01-12-2011, 06:28 AM
LB Dorian Bell suspended 2 games for the reefer. Already served one game of that suspension so far at the Sugar Bowl, will sit out against Akron this September too. C'mon Dorian, that's not way to compete for a starting job.

I liked Bell a lot as a recruit. I'm excited to see what he can do this year. Not a good start, but I think he could be a solid player if he gets the job starting next to Sabino and Sweat.

ironman4579
01-12-2011, 09:37 AM
I'll take a really early shot at a depth chart for Michigan. This is probably more my preferred depth chart than what I think will actually happen.

QB- Devin Gardner, RS Freshman
RB- Michael Cox, RS Junior
FB- John McColgan, RS Senior
WR- Junior Hemingway, RS Senior
WR- Darryl Stonum, Senior
TE- Kevin Koger, Senior
LT- Taylor Lewan, RS Sophmore
LG- Ricky Barnum, RS Junior
C- David Molk, RS Senior
RG- Patrick Omameh, RS Junior
RT- Mark Huyge, RS Senior

DE- Ryan Van Bergen, RS Senior
DT- Mike Martin, Senior
DT- Quinton Washington, RS sophmore
DE- Craig Roh, Junior
SLB- J.B. Fitzgerald, Senior
MLB- Kenny Demens, RS Junior
WLB- Kellen Jones, Freshman
CB- Courtney Avery, Sophmore
CB- Troy Woolfolk, RS Senior
FS- Carvin Johnson, Sophmore
SS- Marvin Robinson, Sophmore

Do everything RB/WR/QB/KR/PR- Denard Robinson, Junior



Ok, so some of these guys have switched positions, but I guess I'm kind of hoping they get switched back.

First off, yes, I don't have Denard as the starting QB. If you watch SDSU's offense (and Auburn's 13-0 offense etc) I don't think Denard is accurate enough, especially on the deep ball, to run it effectively. Gardner on the other hand throws a beautiful deep ball. Denard could be a Heisman candidate as a do everything type guy. I'd love to see him get about 20+ touches per game in various ways. Get him in space and he's deadly.

The RB position could be any of a number of guys. Mike just happens to be my favorite back on the team. I could easily see it being Hopkins, Toussaint, Shaw, or even Denard.

I have Roundtree competing with Odoms as the slot. I just can't stand Roundtree. He drops way to many passes, isn't all that fast, and really isn't great going up to get the ball either. I'd prefer if he wasn't a starter.

Left guard could be Barnum or Elliott Mealer IMO (or possibly even Will Campbell, although I'd love to see him switched back to DT). Barnum's probably better in space, pulling, etc. but Mealer has the size and strength.

Right tackle seems like it could be Huyge or Michael Schofield. Again, Huyge has the size, but Schofield is probably more mobile. Schofield will be starting at some point, it just might not be right away this year.

At NT, I'd love to see Will Campbell get a shot, but we'll see. Depending on how he moves at 320, this could also be Richard Ash.

LB's tough. Demens will get the start in the middle. The other two are up for grabs. I think Fitzgerald will get the first look at SAM. I really like Kellen Jones as a prospect, so that's why he's in at the WILL. It could easily be any of a numbers of guys (Cam Gordon comes to mind).

The secondary is tricky. I loved Carvin Johnson as a safety, but he got moved to Spur/Bandit/whatever it was. I'd love to see him get moved back. I don't like Vinopal back there very much. Marvin Robinson got moved to LB, but I;d much rather see him back ther than Kovacs (yes, I know, Kovacs does play his ass off, I just don't think he's nearly athletic enough). Hell, Woofolk could go back to FS. The CB's could be a bunch of guys.

keylime_5
01-12-2011, 09:46 AM
i can't imagine Denard won't be the starting QB next year. He's not ideal in a pro style system if that's what they run, but he had an amazing year this year and can throw the ball decently. He's too amazing of a runner and playmaker to not start.

ironman4579
01-12-2011, 10:13 AM
i can't imagine Denard won't be the starting QB next year. He's not ideal in a pro style system if that's what they run, but he had an amazing year this year and can throw the ball decently. He's too amazing of a runner and playmaker to not start.

He can throw decently, and he probably will be the starting QB (if he sticks around). I'm just not sure he's accurate enough to play in the system Michigan will run. His deep ball is actually not good at all, and that's a big part of the offense.

I'd like to have the same QB two years in a row sure, and Denard is true playmaker. But Gardner is just a better passer and, really, a better fit for the new (old?) offense. Like I said, you get the ball in Denard's hands 20-25 times a game (say, 10 runs, 5 or 6 catches, a couple plays at QB, kick and possibly punt returns), and I think he could easily be a 200+ total yards per game type of guy.

Again though, that's just my preference. I'm sure if he sticks around he'll probably start.

Sniper
01-12-2011, 10:51 AM
QB- Devin Gardner, RS Freshman
RB- Michael Cox, RS Junior
FB- John McColgan, RS Senior
WR- Junior Hemingway, RS Senior
WR- Darryl Stonum, Senior
TE- Kevin Koger, Senior
LT- Taylor Lewan, RS Sophmore
LG- Ricky Barnum, RS Junior
C- David Molk, RS Senior
RG- Patrick Omameh, RS Junior
RT- Mark Huyge, RS Senior

DE- Ryan Van Bergen, RS Senior
DT- Mike Martin, Senior
DT- Quinton Washington, RS sophmore
DE- Craig Roh, Junior
SLB- J.B. Fitzgerald, Senior
MLB- Kenny Demens, RS Junior
WLB- Kellen Jones, Freshman
CB- Courtney Avery, Sophmore
CB- Troy Woolfolk, RS Senior
FS- Carvin Johnson, Sophmore
SS- Marvin Robinson, Sophmore

Do everything RB/WR/QB/KR/PR- Denard Robinson, Junior

I can work with it, but I would make some slight adjustments. Here's my depth chart.

QB- Denard Robinson
RB- Fitzgerald Toussaint/Mike Cox
FB- John McColgan
WR- Darryl Stonum
WR- Junior Hemingway
Slot- Martavious Odoms
TE- Kevin Koger
LT- Taylor Lewan
LG- Ricky Barnum
C- Dave Molk
RG- Patrick Omameh or Elliott Mealer
RT- Mike Schofield or Patrick Omameh

I still think a year of backup duty and spot duty when Denard gets banged up would be beneficial to Gardner. Hoke won't have as much pressure on him in his first year as Rodriguez did, so he can afford to develop Gardner a bit more. I think if Toussaint stays healthy, he's the guy and he and Cox will split carries. Shaw and Smith will split five or six carries per game with Hopkins seeing goal-line and short-yardage carries. We could see Omameh bounce outside to tackle, but that depends on whether he adds weight or not and if Mealer outplays Schofield and Huyge in the offseason.

DE- Ryan Van Bergen
DT- Mike Martin
DT- Richard Ash or Quinton Washington or Will Campbell
DE- Craig Roh
SLB- Brandon Herron
MLB- Kenny Demens
WLB- Mike Jones
CB- Courtney Avery
FS- Troy Woolfolk or Carvin Johnson or J.T. Floyd
SS- Jordan Kovacs
CB- Troy Woolfolk or J.T. Floyd

Brandon Herron did some good things this year and then he was, of course, taken out for no reason. Mike Jones returns from a broken leg and he showed some flashes in limited action last year. He looks solid in coverage, but is learning the nuances of the position. Demens is easily the starter at WILL. At DT, I don't know who the No. 2 DT will be nor do I know who will be on that side of the ball, so we'll have to wait and see. Maybe Campbell can show something in the offseason. At corner, I have Avery because I like him a lot. He showed that he can cover more and more as the season progressed, but needs a ton of work on ball skills. I feel like Woolfolk would be most beneficial at free safety, though that depends on what Carvin Johnson does in the offseason and if J.T. Floyd moves to free safety and looks average. Floyd simply doesn't have the jets to be a Big 10 corner, but he's got good size and can probably be a decent FS. I don't think anyone displaces Kovacs at the beginning, but I'm not sure where Marvin Robinson ends up in Hoke's defense. Marvin (my favorite recruit from the '10 class) could be the starting SS or he could see time at FS.

If Denard is the QB, Stonum needs to return kicks. He's too good of a returner not to. Martavious Odoms, Drew Dileo and maybe Justice Hayes (if he doesn't redshirt) can handle the punts.

If Goudis signs, he's the likely kicker. Hagerbomb is the punter.

dansaint
01-12-2011, 11:15 AM
QB: Scheelhaase (rs-SO), Osei (SO) O'Toole (FR)
RB: Ford (SR), Pollard (SR), Golden (rs-SO), ?Young?(FR)
FB: Prosch (SO), Willets (SR), ?Becker?(SR)
TE: E. Wilson (SO), Viliunas (JR), Lattimore (rs-SO), LaCosse (FR)
WR: Jenkins (SR), Millines (SO), Lankford (SO), Harris (SO), ?Hull?(rs-SO), Sykes (SR), Williams (rs-FR), ...

WT: Allen (SR), C. Wilson (SR)
WG: Thornton (JR), Sands (JR), ?Boles? (FR), ?Hill? (rs-FR)
_C: Pocic (JR), Sands (JR), Feldmeyer (rs-SO)
SG: Cornell (SR), ??
ST: Lewis (JR), C. Wilson (SR), ???

Defense
DE: Mercilus (JR), ?Kynard? (rs-SO), ?Woods? (rs-FR)
DT: Spence (rs-SO), Ballew (SR), Howe (rs-FR)
DT: Foster (JR), Teitsma (rs-FR), ? freshman?
Bandit: Buchanan (JR), Staples (JR)
WLB: Thomas (SR), Bates (rs-FR)
MLB: Brown (SO), Denmark (SO)
SLB: Henry (SR), A. Williams (JR), E. Thomas (rs-FR)

WCB: Green (JR), Thornton (FR), Nixon-Youman (JR)
FS: ?Hull? (JR), ?Kirby? (FR), ?C. Williams? (FR)
SS: T. Wilson (SR), Sanni (JR), ?Grimes? (FR), ?Rock (rs-FR), ?Days? (rs-FR)
SCB: Hawthorne (JR), Ramsey (JR), Thrash (JR)

P-L
01-12-2011, 11:24 AM
Tate is expected to transfer. It's unrelated to the coaching change (academics). However, it's still early, but it sounds like almost everyone else is going to stay.

ironman4579
01-12-2011, 11:25 AM
I can work with it, but I would make some slight adjustments. Here's my depth chart.

QB- Denard Robinson
RB- Fitzgerald Toussaint/Mike Cox
FB- John McColgan
WR- Darryl Stonum
WR- Junior Hemingway
Slot- Martavious Odoms
TE- Kevin Koger
LT- Taylor Lewan
LG- Ricky Barnum
C- Dave Molk
RG- Patrick Omameh or Elliott Mealer
RT- Mike Schofield or Patrick Omameh


DE- Ryan Van Bergen
DT- Mike Martin
DT- Richard Ash or Quinton Washington or Will Campbell
DE- Craig Roh
SLB- Brandon Herron
MLB- Kenny Demens
WLB- Mike Jones
CB- Courtney Avery
FS- Troy Woolfolk or Carvin Johnson or J.T. Floyd
SS- Jordan Kovacs
CB- Troy Woolfolk or J.T. Floyd

.


I don't disagree on Denard/Gardner. Gardner could use another year, especially with the offensive shift. That said, I still think Gardner is a better QB for the offense, and honestly, Denard would be better off in terms of draft status if he switched roles now. Still, I'm certain that Denard will be the starter, and we'll just see more designed QB runs than in a normal pro style offense.

I wouldn't mind Toussaint splitting carries with Cox, and I could see that. My problem with Toussaint is, yea he has great jump cuts. Unfortunately, he seems to want to do those jump cuts in the hole or behind the line. He's not Barry Sanders though. If he can learn to just hit the hole and then put those moves to use once he's into the second level, he can be an explosive back. Admittedly, he did look good in limited carries during the season, but then so did Cox. I could see the time share happening.

I'd also prefer Odoms over Roundtree in the slot, as I said above.

I feel like Omameh's kind of locked in at guard, but he's got the feet and agility to play tackle. I'd prefer to get Huyge out of the RT spot, but he might get the nod at tackle simply because he's a 5th year senior.

I completely forgot about Herron. He did play well actually. It will probably come down to a battle between him and Fitzgerald for the SAM spot, with Herron winning the job. I should have included Mike Jones at the WILL spot as another possibility. He's probably going to have to put on a bit of weight though. I think he was only listed at 205 this year. Honestly, there are alot of options at LB, and only Demens has a spot locked up.



Scoring defense: 36th.
Passing defense: 38th.
Rushing defense: 58th.


I meant to respond to this earlier as well.

Scoring offense: 19th
Passing offense: 11th
Rushing offense: 48th
Total offense: 16th

That scoring offense by the way was better than Rich Rod's supposedly "amazing" offense and all its yards (although it was only about 30 more yards per game than SDSU). SDSU had a 3,500 yard passer (Ryan Lindley, 3,830 yards and 28 TD's as a junior), a 1,500 yard rusher (Ronnie Hillman, 1,532 yards and 17 TD's as a freshman), and two 1,000 yard receivers (Vincent Brown, 1,352 yards and 10 TD's as a senior, and DeMarco Sampson, 1,220 yards and 8 TD's as a senior).

So not only did SDSU have a far better defense than Michigan, but they also had at worst an equal offense, and likely a better one.

People can hate on Brady Hoke all they want, but I'm getting more and more excited about the hire.

HindSight
01-12-2011, 11:51 AM
A 2nd report came out shortly after stating that the players from the defense are still cheering because they can't stop anything.
best post this website has ever seen

Sniper
01-12-2011, 12:09 PM
best post this website has ever seen

I missed that the first time, but man, treat doesn't disappoint.

ironman4579
01-12-2011, 12:09 PM
best post this website has ever seen

I would have responded, but it made me sad. Treat always comes through, even when it hurts my soul.

Sniper
01-12-2011, 12:14 PM
LB Dorian Bell suspended 2 games for the reefer. Already served one game of that suspension so far at the Sugar Bowl, will sit out against Akron this September too. C'mon Dorian, that's not way to compete for a starting job.

That falls on Ohio State's compliance department. There's no way they told him it was against the rules. How was he supposed to know?

JoeJoeBrown
01-12-2011, 12:34 PM
That falls on Ohio State's compliance department. There's no way they told him it was against the rules. How was he supposed to know?

The team rules thing is funny. Usually this means that it was a 2nd drug violation. SMOKE WEED EVERA DAY!

JoeJoeBrown
01-12-2011, 12:34 PM
Hoke is weeping. This gives us OSU fans a fun thing to laugh at down the road.

iowatreat54
01-12-2011, 12:41 PM
You Michigan guys know I love you all.

I could never seriously have ill feelings for the school that gave me football Jesus.

Even though the divisions should have been done geographically, I'm happy we get to face Michigan every year. That, and MSU can all collectively choke on Dantonio's shlong while also storming the dorm room of some barely 18 year old freshman because he talked **** about them, while Dantonio claims it was god's will and that all will be available to face Michigan the next day.

I'm probably visiting East Lansing in April-ish, and just as last time, I plan on getting hammered, telling them all how much their school blows, and then pissing on as many university buildings as possible.

iowatreat54
01-12-2011, 12:43 PM
The team rules thing is funny. Usually this means that it was a 2nd drug violation. SMOKE WEED EVERA DAY!

On the plus side, he wasn't running a drug house.

Orrr rumored to have failed a drug test, been suspended for it with the pretense that it was "violations of team rules" and THEN caught with weed while serving the suspension.

It takes special kinds of players to pull those things off.

Marino13
01-12-2011, 12:59 PM
Well Hoke won over a lot of people today

P-L
01-12-2011, 12:59 PM
Dave Brandon has confirmed that Tate Forcier is no longer with the team, due to academic reasons.

Michigan
01-12-2011, 01:41 PM
Seems like most of the Michigan family is behind Hoke, which is a GREAT sign. I'm starting to get excited.

keylime_5
01-12-2011, 01:43 PM
Is it true that he's keeping the 3-3-5? I like him already.

JoeJoeBrown
01-12-2011, 02:26 PM
Is it true that he's keeping the 3-3-5? I like him already.

It's not that bad if you have players. UM does not have the players.

OSU does run a similar setup quite a bit. DE drops into coverage and a safety plays the Star.

P-L
01-12-2011, 02:35 PM
He said that he thinks the 3-3-5 could work in the Big Ten, but he never said that was going to run it. He said multiple times that he would build the offense and defense around what best suits the players.

keylime_5
01-12-2011, 02:46 PM
It's not that bad if you have players. UM does not have the players.

OSU does run a similar setup quite a bit. DE drops into coverage and a safety plays the Star.

this is true. we are so loaded on defense it doesn't matter what we run. We ran a 3-3-5 against Arkansas and whipped their ass with it. Against Wisconsin though we always have 4 linemen and a SAM linebacker playing on the line of scrimmage over the tight end. Michigan recruited a bunch of a smaller, faster guys to play in a 3 man front, OSU had 3 DTs and a stand up linebacker/defensive end in their version.

Marino13
01-12-2011, 03:16 PM
Is it true that he's keeping the 3-3-5? I like him already.

he said it can work if done right. He gave all the credit to Rocky Long, but pointed out while the base was a 3-3-5 they had a lot of 4 man fronts and even 5 man fronts. But you have to have people educated in the system to run it.

BlockO22
01-12-2011, 04:45 PM
LEO-Nathan Williams
DT-John Simon
DT-Johnathan Hankins
DE-Keith Wells (transfers back in the spring)

I think Adam Bellamy might start at the DE opposite Williams since we run an odd front (43 over or straight 34) a lot of the time, especially if Wells is in the doghouse or out of shape or something. Bellamy and Garrett Goebel will play a lot at DE and DT that's for sure.

I think Dionte Allen from Florida State might start opposite Howard at CB, but it could be Clarke who knows.

I hope Braxton Miller tears it up this spring and summer and beats out Bauserman and Guiton for the QB job. No one knows how good Graham is, he missed most of his senior year with injury and most of his freshman year here with injury. Seems like Tressel would put in a runner like Guiton or Miller before he puts out a green QB like Graham who is solely a pocket passer.

We lose a lot on defense (Hines, Heyward, Rolle, Homan, Chekwa, Torrence, Gant, Larimore) but we'll still be really awesome on that side of the ball next year, that's how awesome Tressel is. Barnett and Moeller come back from injury, Sabino takes off his redshirt, Sweat moves to WLB where he will dominate, and either Storm Klein or Dorian Bell step into the 3rd LB spot. Howard and Bryant and Hankins all looked like they are ready to start as well based on their play this year.

DE - Simon
NT - Hankins
DT - Goebel
LEO - Williams

LB - Sabino
LB - Sweat

Star - Moeller

CB - Howard
CB - This will be a battle... Allen/Clarke/Bryant will all get their chance... I think Allen is the starter to start the year, but I think it could be another Andre Amos/Devon Torrence situation when eventually one of the younger guys win out

S - Johnson
S - Barnett

iowatreat54
01-12-2011, 04:47 PM
Rest easy, Big Ten offenses....Jimmer Jamming Sash just declared for the draft.

I iz having a sad now :(.

lowlife
01-12-2011, 06:59 PM
Rest easy, Big Ten offenses....Jimmer Jamming Sash just declared for the draft.

I iz having a sad now :(.

I'm gonna jimmer a tallboy and jam a ***** with the can. FUUUUUUUUU

iowatreat54
01-12-2011, 07:15 PM
I'm gonna jimmer a tallboy and jam a ***** with the can. FUUUUUUUUU

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to lowlife again.

At least we got McNutt and Prater back. Plus, even though we lose both Epic safeties, I'm excited to see who we can get to replace them.

HindSight
01-13-2011, 10:00 AM
It's not that bad if you have players. UM does not have the players.

OSU does run a similar setup quite a bit. DE drops into coverage and a safety plays the Star.
http://www.thelantern.com/polopoly_fs/1.1834601!/image/3689900286.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_240/3689900286.jpg

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/images/smilies/2/jam2.gif

Sniper
01-13-2011, 10:03 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to lowlife again.

At least we got McNutt and Prater back. Plus, even though we lose both Epic safeties, I'm excited to see who we can get to replace them.

We will trade you one of our Caucasian safeties for James Morris. Deal? Deal.

Didn't Cam Heyward also have a big pick this year against Miami?

HindSight
01-13-2011, 10:04 AM
who didn't have pick against Miami?

Sniper
01-13-2011, 10:07 AM
who didn't have pick against Miami?

Well, yeah, that's a good point.

iowatreat54
01-13-2011, 10:37 AM
We will trade you one of our Caucasian safeties for James Morris. Deal? Deal.

Didn't Cam Heyward also have a big pick this year against Miami?

No way. Morris is the source of my fapping for the next 3 years.

Plus, we already have enough caucasian safeties. I'm sure one or 2 of them will step up...hopefully.

I posted a question in the coaching change thread about Michigan and Soup Campbell...go answer now.

P-L
01-13-2011, 04:51 PM
Coach Hoke has confirmed that Denard Robinson will be staying at Michigan.

Smooth Criminal
01-13-2011, 07:53 PM
Big Ten says names will stay. "Can't test them until we play a season."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6019679

Who needs to test them? The reaction you got should let you know how god awful they are.

JoeJoeBrown
01-13-2011, 08:08 PM
Big Ten says names will stay. "Can't test them until we play a season."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6019679

Who needs to test them? The reaction you got should let you know how god awful they are.

Yeah, they are terrible. However, the B1G (while the logo is pretty meh), is pretty cool, IMO. It's an internet forum world and B1G is short and easy to type.

HindSight
01-14-2011, 09:02 AM
how do you test names of conferences? we all knew you wouldn't change them....just come up with a better excuse for not changing them.

christ.

GB12
01-15-2011, 03:10 AM
Yeah, they are terrible. However, the B1G (while the logo is pretty meh), is pretty cool, IMO. It's an internet forum world and B1G is short and easy to type.

I thought B16 was cool, when that was floating around. B1G, however, is dumb.

And I think this whole testing it out thing means there's no way it's changing. It gets people to shut up about it through the season, and by the time it's over most of the backlash will have calmed down. Delany is a stubborn asshole who's not going to let the fans overrule him.

JRTPlaya21
01-18-2011, 01:40 PM
So Tate wants to stay at Michigan if they will take him back...

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110114/SPORTS0201/101140458/1361/Tate-Forcier-will-stay-at-Michigan-if-wanted--father-says

coordinator0
01-18-2011, 02:48 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Michigan-talking-to-Greg-Mattison.html

Please go to the Wolverines Mattison, please!

Sniper
01-18-2011, 05:33 PM
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/01/source_mattison_to_michigan_pagano_new_defensive_c oordinator.html

Greg Mattison accepted the defensive coordinator job at the University of Michigan and the Ravens promoted secondary coach Chuck Pagano to replace him as defensive coordinator, the team announced Tuesday.

In two seasons with Mattison as defensive coordinator, the Ravens finished in the top 10 in the NFL.

Continued...

ironman4579
01-18-2011, 05:46 PM
So does that mean we're running a 3-4?

iowatreat54
01-18-2011, 06:06 PM
So does that mean we're running a 3-4?

Nope, 2-2-7. Because DBs are your strongest position on D and the 3-3-5 just didn't utilize enough of them...

:)

Sniper
01-18-2011, 06:08 PM
After seeing Mattison rush three and give up 58 yards to a rookie sixth-rounder on 3rd and 19 in the biggest game of the year, I can tell he's going to fit right in at Michigan.

Nope, 2-2-7. Because DBs are your strongest position on D and the 3-3-5 just didn't utilize enough of them...

:)

1-10. It's a revolution. Mike Martin as the only DL.

Sniper
01-18-2011, 06:10 PM
UM Press Release Time!

Hoke Announces Seven Staff Appointments

ANN ARBOR – University of Michigan head coach Brady Hoke announced today (Tuesday, Jan. 18) the hiring of seven staff members to his Wolverine coaching and support staff. Hoke named six of the nine assistant coaching positions and the appointment of his strength and conditioning coach.

Six members of the San Diego State staff joined Hoke in Ann Arbor. Al Borges will coordinate the offense and work with the quarterbacks, Dan Ferrigno will coordinate the special teams and coach the tight ends, Darrell Funk will coach the offensive line, Jeff Hecklinski mentors the wide receivers and Mark Smith has been appointed linebackers coach. Aaron Wellman also joined the Wolverines’ staff as the strength and conditioning coach.

Hoke rehired long time Michigan running backs coach Fred Jackson to the same position on the staff. Jackson will begin his 20th season as a member of the Wolverine coaching staff in 2011.

iowatreat54
01-18-2011, 06:25 PM
After seeing Mattison rush three and give up 58 yards to a rookie sixth-rounder on 3rd and 19 in the biggest game of the year, I can tell he's going to fit right in at Michigan.



1-10. It's a revolution. Mike Martin as the only DL.

Funny thing is even then, the secondary would still be Michigan's biggest liability on defense...

Also, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we get to keep Soup!!!!

Sniper
01-19-2011, 06:32 AM
So does that mean we're running a 3-4?

Apparently, it's a...wait for it...wait for it...4-3. Maybe even a 4-3 that doesn't see them line up in a 3-3-5 and slide 250-pound Craig Roh to DT pre-snap.

ironman4579
01-19-2011, 07:38 AM
Apparently, it's a...wait for it...wait for it...4-3. Maybe even a 4-3 that doesn't see them line up in a 3-3-5 and slide 250-pound Craig Roh to DT pre-snap.

That doesn't make sense. Roh must BEASTZ from the INSIDZ!!1!11

Seriously though, I read it was going to be a 4-3 a little while after I asked the question. I suppose I should have just looked at some of the youtubez of the '95 and '96 defenses to see what might be happening. Can I get a Roh/Van Bergen/Martin/Any of the 300+ lbs guys D Line? I think I can, and it pleases mighty Odin.

Sniper
01-19-2011, 07:56 AM
It's weird, though. Hoke is letting his defensive coordinator run the defense that he (Mattison) wants. That's stupid. Everyone knows that you should force a crappy defense that you're not well-suited for on your DC who knows another scheme.

JoeJoeBrown
01-19-2011, 09:13 AM
It's weird, though. Hoke is letting his defensive coordinator run the defense that he (Mattison) wants. That's stupid. Everyone knows that you should force a crappy defense that you're not well-suited for on your DC who knows another scheme.

You Michigan guys have no idea what to do with yourselves, do you?

You finally have a respectable coaching staff. Congrats. Maybe some day you will recruit some respectable players.... Starting off with 10 incoming freshman is going to make that tough.

Ball busting aside, I really do like that staff Hoke has put together. There is hope for you guys.

Sniper
01-19-2011, 09:18 AM
You Michigan guys have no idea what to do with yourselves, do you?

I'm definitely a little confused, that's for sure. Hoke just offered two Tennessee DL commits. While both said they'll stick with Tennessee, it's nice to get after some DL and LBs. Hoke also told Devin Lucien that he would offer him as a DB instead of a WR. While Lucien basically told him to **** off, it's nice to see an emphasis on defense.

You finally have a respectable coaching staff. Congrats.

It's an odd feeling, though I'll miss Greg Frey as the OL coach.

Maybe some day you will recruit some respectable players.... Starting off with 10 incoming freshman is going to make that tough.

Yeah, for sure. I hope they keep Fisher and Countess. It is a defensive-heavy class, though, which is good.

JoeJoeBrown
01-19-2011, 09:44 AM
I'm definitely a little confused, that's for sure. Hoke just offered two Tennessee DL commits. While both said they'll stick with Tennessee, it's nice to get after some DL and LBs. Hoke also told Devin Lucien that he would offer him as a DB instead of a WR. While Lucien basically told him to **** off, it's nice to see an emphasis on defense.



It's an odd feeling, though I'll miss Greg Frey as the OL coach.



Yeah, for sure. I hope they keep Fisher and Countess. It is a defensive-heavy class, though, which is good.

Yeah, it's tough to keep recruits when you have Brandon delaying the hire like that. Oh well, it's a sacrificed recruiting year, one that you will probably make up for in spades next season after Hoke is established.

I still can't get over your DC. I am not happy about that. He will bring some thumpers in to play, that is for sure. None of those tiny/fast RichRod recruits.

Mattison is one hell of a coach. Hoke is doing and saying the right things.

That's enough complimenting UM for me for this year.

Marino13
01-19-2011, 02:18 PM
That doesn't make sense. Roh must BEASTZ from the INSIDZ!!1!11

Seriously though, I read it was going to be a 4-3 a little while after I asked the question. I suppose I should have just looked at some of the youtubez of the '95 and '96 defenses to see what might be happening. Can I get a Roh/Van Bergen/Martin/Any of the 300+ lbs guys D Line? I think I can, and it pleases mighty Odin.

from what I've read the initial word is that the first look will be Roh-RVD-Martin-Black as the DL but will give guys like BWC(who got moved back to DT), Quinton Washington, and Richard Ash a chance to win the DT spot and keep RVB at DE.

Also like what Al Borges has said about the players we have. Said he likes the players they have, but they are going to use the Spring to find the right combination, and they will use practice AND game situations to determine the starters. That means Borges and Hoke won't want till mid season to put guys like Patrick Omameh and Taylor Lewan on the OL over the Mark Hurges and Perry Dorrenstiens of the world.

I also highly doubt Mattision will wait to November to put guys like Kenny Demens and JB Fitzgerald in the starting line up over guys like Obi Ezeh and Cam Gordon.

While the staff isn't going to be the all star staff some people thought (though Borges and Mattison are impressive coordinator coups) the staff is filled with guys who get what they need to do to win.

bearsfan_51
01-20-2011, 11:27 AM
Reports are that DT Jewhan Edwards has left the Gophers. He was a decent starter last year, and has some pro potential, but only one year of eligibility left.

His reason appears to be that someone on the team "snitched" him out and he got in trouble for tweeting about it.

God I hate modern culture....

Sniper
01-20-2011, 11:32 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/buckeyeblog/index.ssf/2011/01/ohio_state_second-year_backup.html

COLUMBUS - Ohio State confirmed today that backup offensive lineman Sam Longo requested and has been granted a release from his scholarship by the Buckeyes.

The second-year lineman from Bellbrook High School, near Dayton, redshirted his first season in Columbus in 2009, then played in just one game in 2010, against Eastern Michigan. He was behind three other linemen in his class, Corey Linsley, Jack Mewhort and Marcus Hall, on the depth chart.

Continued...

JoeJoeBrown
01-20-2011, 11:44 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/buckeyeblog/index.ssf/2011/01/ohio_state_second-year_backup.html

Proof that oversigning OSU is clearing room for Clowney.

[/sarcasm]

But seriously, that guy never even sniffed playing time. I'm sure he wants an opportunity to just play somewhere. He was brought in as a project, and obviously it didn't pan out. Good luck to him.

bigbenn
01-21-2011, 04:12 AM
hoping beyond hope that LeShoure, Luiget, or Wilson stick around for their Senior season (really hoping all 3 do but that's fantasy land).

Illinois will always be a "middle of the pack"...so all we really want are bowl games and signs of improvement. Illinois is never gonna compete for the Big 10 title (we may get lucky here or there but it'll never be consistent)...so as long as we can get some good recruits in here and be competitive...that's all any Illini fan can realistically hope for.

Hoping for a 9-3 or 8-4 season

They'll be missed but what? Speak for yourself on all your other views. I don't know what type of Illini fans you're talking about.

Smooth Criminal
01-21-2011, 07:40 AM
I have friends that went to high school with him, and they say he's going to Cincy.

Marino13
01-21-2011, 02:05 PM
Sniper this quote from Greg Mattison is going to make you faint...

"You can drop all the great x's and o's you want, but if they don't fit the players that are there at that point it isn't going to work"

ironman4579
01-21-2011, 06:45 PM
Sniper this quote from Greg Mattison is going to make you faint...

"You can drop all the great x's and o's you want, but if they don't fit the players that are there at that point it isn't going to work"

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/6/17/whaaaaat128581975209979536.jpg

bearsfan_51
01-21-2011, 11:13 PM
Gophers safety Kim Royston is granted the elusive 6th year of eligibility. This, along with the fact that he transferred from Wisconsin, should make him about 35 years old.

Sniper
01-22-2011, 01:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/22701/boistures-exit-could-hurt-msu-down-line

Reserve quarterback Joe Boisture is leaving Michigan State's program.

...

"It is in my best interest that I have decided to leave the Michigan State football program," Boisture said in a statement released to Rivals.com. "I love the university, my teammates, the medical staff and most of all Coach Dantonio. Coach D truly cares about me and all of his players off the field as well as on the field. I have the utmost respect for him as a coach and person and wish him and the Spartans nothing but success."

Boisture originally committed to Boston College before switching to Michigan State, where he enrolled early and redshirted in 2010.

His exit leaves the Spartans with two quarterback options for 2012: Maxwell and heralded incoming freshman Connor Cook. Cook is the lone quarterback committed for the 2011 class, but expect Michigan State to sign at least one signal-caller in 2012.

JoeJoeBrown
01-25-2011, 10:49 PM
12 Iowa FB players admitted to hospital due to workouts. (http://qctimes.com/sports/football/college/big-10/iowa/article_94fe13a2-28cf-11e0-bb6e-001cc4c002e0.html?oCampaign=hottopics)

Some Iowa players noted on their Facebook pages in recent days that the workouts included “100 squats and pushing a sled 100 yards” and that those drills had given them leg problems. The Cedar Rapids Gazette reported the players were treated for exertional rhabdomyolysis, an acute breakdown of the kidneys.

If this is true, some meathead strength coach needs to be fired.

GB12
01-25-2011, 11:00 PM
When I played in high school we regularly pushed the sled more than 100 yards. And the 100 squats isn't that bad assuming it was in multiple sets with proper weight (although it doesn't seem too effective).

JoeJoeBrown
01-26-2011, 08:07 AM
When I played in high school we regularly pushed the sled more than 100 yards. And the 100 squats isn't that bad assuming it was in multiple sets with proper weight (although it doesn't seem too effective).

It was supposedly their weight. That is stupid to do to kids that aren't that strong. Obviously a lot of kids were able to do it. But that is a pretty extreme workout. Especially for a 300 lb person.

iowatreat54
01-26-2011, 10:02 AM
It was supposedly their weight. That is stupid to do to kids that aren't that strong. Obviously a lot of kids were able to do it. But that is a pretty extreme workout. Especially for a 300 lb person.

While we don't know who all of the players are, one was RS Freshman Jim Poggi who is a 6'2 212 LB. Someone of that size should be able to go through a workout like that, if that is indeed what it was.

Part of the problem might be that this is, in Poggi's case or if any of the other 11 are first years, his first offseason workout and he might not be used to the strain of it. It also could have something to do with their diet.

Iowa is well respected for their strength program and the strength coach Doyle is known to be one of the best. There is a chance he could have overworked players, but when it's 12 kids out of 100, it more than likely would be that those kids couldn't handle it right away rather than it being too intense.

Hopefully all these kids are alright and it doesn't affect their lives long term. I would freak the **** out if I pissed brown like Poggi did...

EDIT: Apparently there were some player facebook posts/tweets about the workouts before going to the hospital, and they were from 3rd or 4th year guys, so there goes that theory. One said that he had to squat his weight (240) 100 times and it was timed. I guess a bunch of players were complaining that the workout left them basically immobile for a while. Someone screwed up big time on the staff...

Also, it appears to be a combination of a week or two of workouts, not all at once. One of the players' father said his son complained to him last week. I'm guessing some of the staff were unhappy with this season's results and taking it out during the workouts...

http://hawkcentral.com/2011/01/25/12-ui-football-players-remain-hospitalized/

HindSight
01-26-2011, 10:49 AM
Doyle is no BARWISS!!!1!eleven!!

ironman4579
01-26-2011, 11:28 AM
Doyle is no BARWISS!!!1!eleven!!

You are so right...........

Seriously though, as much fun as Barwis was, I'm pretty glad he's gone simply so I don't have to listen to morons say "He must have been afraid of BARWISZZSS!!!1!!!!!!!111" everytime a recruit commits somewhere else or a 4 star kid transfers.

And really, I'm not sure how much he actually did. Outside of Denard and maybe Omameh, no one on the offense looked particularly fast, or at least no faster than any other recent Michigan teams. And the defense always looked like the slowest eleven guys on the field. And strength wise, this team was pretty pathetic. He did some good work with a few guys (Martin, Omameh come to mind) but overall, I never saw any kind of god-like transformation of Michigan football speed or strength wise.

Sorry, I'm not trying to turn this into yet another Michigan discussion. Someone on Iowa's S&C staff messed up big time on this one.

Sniper
01-26-2011, 12:15 PM
And really, I'm not sure how much he actually did. Outside of Denard and maybe Omameh, no one on the offense looked particularly fast, or at least no faster than any other recent Michigan teams.

I think his work with the O-linemen is the most noticeable. Denard's always going to be fast, so he doesn't really count. If you look at guys like Lewan, Omameh (like you mentioned), Schofield, Molk etc..., they look lean and they do a great job of getting to the second level.

In terms of overall team speed, though, it wasn't anything particularly jaw-dropping.

Sniper
01-26-2011, 12:21 PM
http://www.maizenbrew.com/2011/1/25/1955087/a-day-in-the-life-looking-in-on-how-brady-hoke-handles-recruiting

Bringing the lulz.

JoeJoeBrown
01-26-2011, 12:37 PM
While we don't know who all of the players are, one was RS Freshman Jim Poggi who is a 6'2 212 LB. Someone of that size should be able to go through a workout like that, if that is indeed what it was.

Part of the problem might be that this is, in Poggi's case or if any of the other 11 are first years, his first offseason workout and he might not be used to the strain of it. It also could have something to do with their diet.

Iowa is well respected for their strength program and the strength coach Doyle is known to be one of the best. There is a chance he could have overworked players, but when it's 12 kids out of 100, it more than likely would be that those kids couldn't handle it right away rather than it being too intense.

Hopefully all these kids are alright and it doesn't affect their lives long term. I would freak the **** out if I pissed brown like Poggi did...

EDIT: Apparently there were some player facebook posts/tweets about the workouts before going to the hospital, and they were from 3rd or 4th year guys, so there goes that theory. One said that he had to squat his weight (240) 100 times and it was timed. I guess a bunch of players were complaining that the workout left them basically immobile for a while. Someone screwed up big time on the staff...

Also, it appears to be a combination of a week or two of workouts, not all at once. One of the players' father said his son complained to him last week. I'm guessing some of the staff were unhappy with this season's results and taking it out during the workouts...

http://hawkcentral.com/2011/01/25/12-ui-football-players-remain-hospitalized/

It's uber messed up. Destroying 12 or so players via exercise is idiocy. I just hope those guys kidneys are alright. If that was my kid, I'd be flipping out.

JoeJoeBrown
01-26-2011, 12:40 PM
You are so right...........

Seriously though, as much fun as Barwis was, I'm pretty glad he's gone simply so I don't have to listen to morons say "He must have been afraid of BARWISZZSS!!!1!!!!!!!111" everytime a recruit commits somewhere else or a 4 star kid transfers.


You guys (not you personally, but UM messageboard people generically) brought that Barwis stuff on yourselves. I've never heard about a S&C being pimped so much by a fanbase as Barwis was.

These coaches may make players a bit faster or stronger, but at the end of the day, they are all pretty much the same. Work hard, eat right, improve technique. That's it. Unless you try to kill your players. Then that's bad.

iowatreat54
01-26-2011, 12:59 PM
It's uber messed up. Destroying 12 or so players via exercise is idiocy. I just hope those guys kidneys are alright. If that was my kid, I'd be flipping out.

Yea, we'll have to wait and see what happened and what the workouts were. Honestly, I would hope the NCAA looks into this even though I don't think the staff did anything illegal, I just want to see them take something serious...you know, serious, for once.

I wanna see how many other players were at these workouts, or why it was these 12 kids. Obviously not every kid is built the same, but like I said earlier, our S&C program is respected by a lot of people at different levels of football, so I can't believe our S&C Coach either purposely did this or just completely neglected it. Something/someone obviously messed up, but I have no idea where even to begin to look for what happened since this type of thing is apparently a freak occurrence.

Marino13
01-26-2011, 02:34 PM
You are so right...........

Seriously though, as much fun as Barwis was, I'm pretty glad he's gone simply so I don't have to listen to morons say "He must have been afraid of BARWISZZSS!!!1!!!!!!!111" everytime a recruit commits somewhere else or a 4 star kid transfers.

And really, I'm not sure how much he actually did. Outside of Denard and maybe Omameh, no one on the offense looked particularly fast, or at least no faster than any other recent Michigan teams. And the defense always looked like the slowest eleven guys on the field. And strength wise, this team was pretty pathetic. He did some good work with a few guys (Martin, Omameh come to mind) but overall, I never saw any kind of god-like transformation of Michigan football speed or strength wise.

Sorry, I'm not trying to turn this into yet another Michigan discussion. Someone on Iowa's S&C staff messed up big time on this one.

I think he did a great job getting players into shape, but much like the case was with the entire staff, the things they did at West Virginia just weren't going to work at Michigan.

On a plus note, listening to Funk, Hecklinski, Ferrigno, and Borges (new coaches with no ties to Michigan) I can't help but get excited. I listened to Rod's staff when they came in, but they didn't have the same mind set as Hoke's guys. These guys get it.

iowatreat54
01-26-2011, 02:36 PM
Sounds like Iowa might be looking for a new S&C coach...the staff and AD are apparently super pissed at him for this.

Also, wasn't Barwis the reason Boren bolted for OSU? Because he couldn't handle the workouts because he was a wuss or something like that...

Marino13
01-26-2011, 02:49 PM
Sounds like Iowa might be looking for a new S&C coach...the staff and AD are apparently super pissed at him for this.

Also, wasn't Barwis the reason Boren bolted for OSU? Because he couldn't handle the workouts because he was a wuss or something like that...

no Boren left because Rod wouldn't let him go help his dad shovel snow or something.

iowatreat54
01-26-2011, 03:00 PM
no Boren left because Rod wouldn't let him go help his dad shovel snow or something.

Ah. I just vaguely remember some of the transfers, and the responses being like they were afraid of competition or don't want to work hard or something.

Michigan friends, any updates on how the fanatics on certain websites are taking to this new recruiting concept of actually getting recruits? Are they not even D3 worthy and Hoke is terrible yet?

Marino13
01-26-2011, 03:06 PM
Ah. I just vaguely remember some of the transfers, and the responses being like they were afraid of competition or don't want to work hard or something.

Michigan friends, any updates on how the fanatics on certain websites are taking to this new recruiting concept of actually getting recruits? Are they not even D3 worthy and Hoke is terrible yet?

can't visit mgblog personally (says the site has malware), but the staff has won over a lot of people with their plan. While the recruits aren't blue chippers, I personally am under the impression these guys are trying harder to recruit than the old regime ever did.

iowatreat54
01-26-2011, 03:16 PM
can't visit mgblog personally (says the site has malware), but the staff has won over a lot of people with their plan. While the recruits aren't blue chippers, I personally am under the impression these guys are trying harder to recruit than the old regime ever did.

Yea, I haven't really looked at what Hoke has done too much other than some of the hirings, but I'm already more worried about facing his teams than RichRod's. Hoke might actually seem to understand what it takes to rebuild the foundation of a program, rather than just plug and play and expect results.

I think Michigan is on the right path with this hire (so far).

iowatreat54
01-26-2011, 03:25 PM
Aww it's so cute that other fans are saying that this happened because Iowa supplies their players with roids, because it happened to 12 players at once and not just 1 or 2.

Yes, because Iowa only gave 12 players roids, 25% of which have been confirmed to not be starters on the team. One would think if it was because of roids, there would be more than 12 players being given the drugs and/or they would be, you know, players that actuall are going to play.

Iowa: where we give only players that don't affect the outcome of the game drugs that will enhance their performance.

ToldLikeItIs
01-27-2011, 02:45 AM
We'll be alright.

Doyle isn't going anywhere. This is kind of wild though.

iowatreat54
01-27-2011, 08:40 AM
We'll be alright.

Doyle isn't going anywhere. This is kind of wild though.

Wild isn't the term I'd use. I'd say it's pretty scary that this could happen when all indications are that the S&C staff was present and the cause of everything. Hopefully something happens to ensure that this will never happen again...

ToldLikeItIs
01-27-2011, 08:49 AM
A bunch of young kids in their first off-season work-outs worked out a little too hard. If anything it's an indication of your youth being soft.

iowatreat54
01-27-2011, 08:55 AM
A bunch of young kids in their first off-season work-outs worked out a little too hard. If anything it's an indication of your youth being soft.

That too, but I've only seen 3 freshman mentioned so far and Bernstein. There's still 8 other players left...were they all freshman? Will we ever find out? Berstein wasn't going through his first off season work out. And why wasn't it the entire freshman class that this happened to?

There's just way too many questions about what happened at this point to definitively blame one side or the other. This should never happen regardless of whether or not it's a kid's first workout. The S&C staff should know the limits and that not all players are going to be able to do the same workload. Is it an indication that some of these players can't handle a work load? Sure. But at that point the question should be raised whether they are prepared for this level of athletics, and the S&C should know not to push them especially in their first off season work outs. It's just simple common sense.

JoeJoeBrown
01-27-2011, 10:15 AM
A bunch of young kids in their first off-season work-outs worked out a little too hard. If anything it's an indication of your youth being soft.

There are no droids.

VoteLynnSwan
01-27-2011, 10:27 AM
There are no droids.

These are not the droids you are looking for.

JoeJoeBrown
01-27-2011, 10:36 AM
These are not the droids you are looking for.

****, that's what I meant :)

HindSight
01-27-2011, 11:32 AM
no Boren left because Rod wouldn't let him go help his dad shovel snow or something.
No, Boren left because he didn't want to be part of the joke that Michigan Football has become since RR was hired.

The snow and the barwis thing are just 2 things Michigan fans made up to cope.

JoeJoeBrown
01-27-2011, 11:46 AM
No, Boren left because he didn't want to be part of the joke that Michigan Football has become since RR was hired.

The snow and the barwis thing are just 2 things Michigan fans made up to cope.

Yep. Probably the same people that loved the RichRod hire. There were a lot of them.

P-L
01-27-2011, 12:37 PM
Maybe that's what Boren is telling people, but that's not the truth either. He didn't even give Rod a chance. He quit less than two weeks into Spring practices. Sorry, but I don't believe Boren can see into the future. Nine spring practices wasn't enough to tell him that Michigan football was going to be completely irrelevant for the next three years.

keylime_5
01-27-2011, 12:57 PM
whatever boren left due to, it sure was nice having him here and it's really nice having Zoren here, and it probably will be just as nice have the third Boren here in two years. Hey, the man wanted some gold pants. :D

JoeJoeBrown
01-27-2011, 01:42 PM
Maybe that's what Boren is telling people, but that's not the truth either. He didn't even give Rod a chance. He quit less than two weeks into Spring practices. Sorry, but I don't believe Boren can see into the future. Nine spring practices wasn't enough to tell him that Michigan football was going to be completely irrelevant for the next three years.

No, but it was obviously enough to see that RichRod was a jackass. And maybe an incompetent one. It's not a light decision to give up a full ride to a (formerly) great football school. That your dad played for. And then join your hated rival. Some strong feelings had to have been generated.

HindSight
01-27-2011, 02:06 PM
Maybe that's what Boren is telling people, but that's not the truth either. He didn't even give Rod a chance. He quit less than two weeks into Spring practices. Sorry, but I don't believe Boren can see into the future. Nine spring practices wasn't enough to tell him that Michigan football was going to be completely irrelevant for the next three years.
you want to see people looking into the future, go to buckeyeplanet.com and watch how those guys pegged that hire to a T.

it's not really looking in to the future. lots of people saw how bad of a hire that was from day 1.

bearsfan_51
01-27-2011, 02:37 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/584195-big-ten-football-worst-coaches-since-1993/page/1

I provide this list, not because it's good (it's not), but because it does provide a decent question.

Here is my main gripe with the list, how is Rich Rodriguez not the worst Big Ten coach in the last 20 years? Seriously, how? He won almost no games of consequence, his record of 6-18 in the Big Ten is one of the worst in record, and he was THE ******* COACH AT MICHIGAN!! I mean, seriously, how can you compare the Indiana coaching job and the Michigan coaching job. Rich Rod took over a solid program and made it awful. Who else could you say that about?


And my top 5.

1) Rich Rodriguez, Michigan- It's not even close. Total disaster.
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/2011/01/custom_1295100411952_rich-rodriguez-crying_display_image.jpg

2) Bobby Williams, Michigan State- Saban was 23-16 in Big Ten play, D'Antonio is 20-12, John L.Smith was 12-20 but at least he has the excuse of following the even worse Williams at 6-15.
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/1028/20101028__20101029_C01_SP29FBCCU~p3_200.JPG

3) Gerry Dinardo/Bill Lynch, Indiana- I'll give Cam Cameron and Terry Hoepner a break, as they at least made Indiana sort of competitive. The other two were just total roadkill.
http://zakkandjack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/bill-lynch-pointing.jpg

4) Tim Brewster, Minnesota- Glen Mason was fired because they wanted to recruit better and play in bigger bowl games. Instead they hired this unqualified jackass who failed to win any important games and otherwise made the program look like a joke. Fail.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/310254/Zooktrix_Brewvalations.jpg

5) Ron Zook, Illinois- Jim Colletto was bad, and Danny Hope is bad too, but Colletto took over a program that was awful, and Hope has had to follow what was a tremendous coach in Tiller. For that reason, I went with the perrenially underperforming Illini. You could toss a coin between Ron Turner and Ron Zook, but since Zook is the bigger horse's ass, here ya go.
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/gatorbytes/files/2010/11/zookcup.jpg

Sniper
01-27-2011, 02:44 PM
you want to see people looking into the future, go to buckeyeplanet.com and watch how those guys pegged that hire to a T.

it's not really looking in to the future. lots of people saw how bad of a hire that was from day 1.

You also have people saying that Terrelle Pryor can do no wrong, that it's the NCAA's being ridiculous for suspending the Tat 5 and that Troy Smith would be an amazing pro QB if Baltimore had just given him a chance and saying that Smith is better than Flacco.

Win some, lose some.

HindSight
01-27-2011, 03:13 PM
I don't understand what you mean....all of those things are completely accurate. :p

iowatreat54
01-27-2011, 03:27 PM
The fact that Illinois has had 2 winning seasons since Zook has been head coach really is a testament to how much talent they've brought in under him, because they are winning games despite his incompetence. He's such a terrible coach.

Fantastic recruiter though...

JoeJoeBrown
01-28-2011, 05:45 PM
I feel bad for these Iowa kids. Sounds pretty freaking terrible. And some meathead coaches are going to be in deep doodoo if half of this stuff is true.
(http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6068807)


Earlier Friday, a parent confirmed to ESPN.com's Joe Schad that tests for illegal drugs administered to the 13 players came back negative, according to a parent briefed on the results.

According to one parent, Ferentz was "blistered" for not returning to Iowa sooner.

"Where were you?" one parent said he asked Ferentz. "How can you be out recruiting other kids? You sat in our living room and told us you'd take care of them."

The parent said Ferentz "was quiet. I believe he is devastated by all this. He has been wonderful. But his mistake was not coming off the road right away."

Some parents are blaming the intensity of a workout conducted Jan. 20 in which a strength and conditioning staff member had players do 100 squats at half their weight capability before pushing sleds.

According to a parent, after a three-week layoff following the Insight Bowl, this was the first workout the players were asked to do.

According to a parent, a strength coach said in a meeting before the sessions that the Hawkeyes had failed to finish games too often last season and that "we'll find out who wants to be here."

There were workouts Thursday and Friday, followed by two days off, then a request Monday for more squats, which resulted in such soreness and cramping that it led to the hospitalizations.

One parent said some players had gained 30 to 50 pounds since entering the hospital because of the amount of fluids that have been forced into their bodies.

The parent said that one player was told he had sustained "20 to 30 percent loss of kidney function and that the damage may or may not be repaired."

iowatreat54
01-28-2011, 06:55 PM
Yup, basically the S&C staff was punishing the team for their level of play this past season and 13 kids were hospitalized from it. Some of the kids may have not done anything over winter break, like Poggi, and that didn't help, but the staff had to know what was going on...they are professionals. I don't care if it was the same exact workout that's been run for years.

As great as Doyle has been over the last 12 years, I really think this justifies him being fired if he was present for the workouts or aware of them...

iowatreat54
01-28-2011, 07:35 PM
Also, the same thing happened to the swim team at South Carolina in 2008.

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/iowa/article_63fc5aec-2b14-11e0-a2e2-001cc4c002e0.html

There's also been articles I've seen where it happened to a bunch of kids in Oregon high schools and from military workouts.

Still, not acceptable, but not unprecedented.

bearsfan_51
01-29-2011, 12:39 PM
I do work for a recruiting website, so I thought I'd share some info as we turn into the next recruiting season. QB is the only position that commits heavily this early, so without further adieu.
2012 Big Ten Quarterback recruiting update!!

Gunner Kiel, Columbus East (IN)
B1G Teams Currently Offering: Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, Wisconsin
Other Major Offers: Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Missouri, Colorado

-Gunner is the best QB prospect in the Mid-West, but oddly hasn't received a bounty of B1G offers. He's a ESPN150 watch list player, and has received some impressive offers from our hated brethren to the South.

Current Prediction: Tennessee

Philip Nelson, Mankato West (MN)
B1G Offers: Minnesota
Other Major Offers: None

-Philip only has an offer from the hometown Gophers, but he's originally from Wisconsin and his father is a BADger alum. Personally, I think Philip is the 2nd best QB prospect from Minnesota behind Joe Mohlberg, but he's been super productive and he's got great speed for his size. If Wisconsin offers I think he goes there, but for now...

Current Prediction: Minnesota

Zeke Pike, Dixie Heights (KY)
B1G Offers: Indiana, Purdue, Iowa
Other Offers: Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, Louisville, Auburn, Arkansas, Boston College, Cincinnati, North Carolina, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

-Zeke is the last prospect that could be considered "Mid-Western" with a B1G offer, as he's from the Kentucky suburbs of Cincinnati. With his current offer list it seems unlikely he'll end up in the B1G, however, although Notre Dame could get involved and shake things up.

Current Prediction: Kentucky

Bennie Coney, Plant City (FL)
B1G Offers: Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Other Offers: Auburn, Florida State, Virginia Tech, South Florida, Texas Tech..

-Plant City is near Tampa, so if there's a hometown team here it's South Florida. That said, Coney was suspended from his High School team and has some serious issues, so moving away may be in his best interests. I think Michigan is a seriously player here, but for now I'll go with the Cam-mentum and the team that couldn't care less about personal issues.

Current prediction: Auburn

Matt Davis, Klein (TX)
B1G Offers: Iowa, Purdue
Other Offers: Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, Auburn, Oklahoma State...

-Davis might be the best junior in Texas despite missing all of last season with an injury, so it's a bit of a wonder why he doesn't have a Texas offer, let alone offers from more B1G schools. I think he's a Horn if they offer, and potentially a shorter Vince Young, but for now I'll say..

Current Prediction: LSU


Jameis Winston, Hueytown (AL)
B1G Offers: Ohio State
Other: Alabama, Auburn, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, South Carolina, Mississippi

-Can Ohio State go into Alabama and take a QB prospect from under their noses? Probably not.

Prediction: Alabama

Tyler Jupiter, Plantation (FL)
B1G Offers: Illinois
Other offers: South Florida, Louisville, Rutgers, Boston College

-Unless one of the Big 3 in Florida offers, I see no reason Zook can't pull some recruiting magic.

Prediction: Illinois

Shane Dillon, El Cajon (CA)
B1G Offers: Ohio State
Other offers: Cincinnati

-If the offer list looks weird to you, it should. Dillon is a skinny dude with great mechanics, but his OSU offer largely stems from his training under George Whitfield Jr., a Tressel disciple.

Prediction: Ohio State

Midwest Quarterbacks with offers from non-Big Ten schools:

-Wes Lunt, Rochester (IL): Boston College
-Maty Mauk, Kenton (OH): Notre Dame, Missouri, Cincinatti
-Brendan Nosovitch, Allentown (PA): Virginia

ironman4579
01-29-2011, 12:58 PM
I realize it's not listed in his Rivals or Scout pages, but I'm fairly sure Michigan actually recently offered Zeke Pike.

Silver & Blue
01-29-2011, 01:56 PM
I realize it's not listed in his Rivals or Scout pages, but I'm fairly sure Michigan actually recently offered Zeke Pike.

Yes we did, it would be nice if we are able to pick him up but we have a lot of competition trying to get him. He also has great size(6-5 225lbs) and from what I've seen is that he actually has decent speed for a pro style QB.

Hines
01-29-2011, 01:59 PM
Brendan Nosovitch just got offered by PSU I believe.

bearsfan_51
01-29-2011, 03:23 PM
Do you have links for either of those two guys?

ironman4579
01-29-2011, 04:16 PM
Do you have links for either of those two guys?

It was mentioned in a thread on MGoblog. People over there are usually pretty accurate in terms of who's been offered at least, but I don't have a real source, which is why I said I was only fairly sure.

Sniper
02-03-2011, 06:29 AM
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/shawn-conway-play-arizona-western

Michigan WR Shawn Conway will play at Arizona Western next year to get his academics in order.

ironman4579
02-03-2011, 07:42 AM
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/shawn-conway-play-arizona-western

Michigan WR Shawn Conway will play at Arizona Western next year to get his academics in order.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling he'll never play a down at Michigan. Too bad, because I really liked him and thought he was pretty underrated. I'd still love him to make it to Ann Arbor at some point.

P-L
02-03-2011, 06:49 PM
I love Fred Jackson: "He (Thomas Rawls) is like Anthony [Thomas] and Chris [Perry], only faster."

He couldn't even make it one day without the ridiculous hyperbole. He's said almost the same thing about Mike Cox and Fitzgerald Toussaint.

Sniper
02-04-2011, 07:54 AM
I love Fred Jackson: "He (Thomas Rawls) is like Anthony [Thomas] and Chris [Perry], only faster."

He couldn't even make it one day without the ridiculous hyperbole. He's said almost the same thing about Mike Cox and Fitzgerald Toussaint.

"I saw Mark Ingram and Thomas is like him, but he's faster. He ran a 10.65 100 in track."

Oh Freddy, how I love you.

P-L
02-04-2011, 01:30 PM
bf51, do you still follow Akron football at all. If so, what do you think about Michigan hiring Curt Mallory?

iowatreat54
02-04-2011, 06:14 PM
Mallory wasn't really all that good at Illinois, and Akron's defense was atrocious. Mattison will be calling the plays which will help, but the last couple years wherever Mallory has been, the pass D has been non existent.

dannyz
02-04-2011, 07:08 PM
I think Shawn Watson will be Fired from Nebraska. Lets hope.

JoeJoeBrown
02-04-2011, 09:23 PM
I think Shawn Watson will be Fired from Nebraska. Lets hope.

It's cool to see a Nebraska fan in here :) Welcome!

dannyz
02-04-2011, 11:09 PM
It's cool to see a Nebraska fan in here :) Welcome!

Thanks. I thinks its a win/win for both Nebraska and the Big 10.

Nebraska gets away from Texas who rules everything in the Big12
The Big 10 gets a Team that has great Tradition and can now have a Championship Game.

bearsfan_51
02-05-2011, 10:35 AM
I love Lil' Red.

http://www.huskerj.com/Logos/Mascots-Logos/Lil_Red.jpg

dannyz
02-05-2011, 02:35 PM
I love Lil' Red.

http://www.huskerj.com/Logos/Mascots-Logos/Lil_Red.jpg

I have a picture with him when I was little.

iowatreat54
02-07-2011, 10:26 PM
OSU fans...a certain entertaining Illinois fan on the interwebz has proclaimed that Illinois overall OL talent and depth is just as good as OSU's going forward.

Discuss.

Hines
02-07-2011, 10:37 PM
Penn State's COULD be up there if all their OL gets in the past few recruiting years pan out.

HindSight
02-08-2011, 08:26 AM
OSU fans...a certain entertaining Illinois fan on the interwebz has proclaimed that Illinois overall OL talent and depth is just as good as OSU's going forward.

Discuss.
hehehe

Well we all know Bobek sucks......so he's probably right.

JoeJoeBrown
02-08-2011, 09:55 AM
OSU fans...a certain entertaining Illinois fan on the interwebz has proclaimed that Illinois overall OL talent and depth is just as good as OSU's going forward.

Discuss.

I can't really say as I don't know how good the Illini line is. I only pay attention to the good teams in the conference. However, I do think that for a big time school like OSU, their OL depth and quality is lacking. I'd put them at #3-#5 or so in the B1G. Wisconsin, Iowa, and PSU all have quality OL. And now with Nebraska in the fold, that mixes things up as well.

So it's quite possible.

BuckeyeDan17
02-08-2011, 05:38 PM
Dude we've got 5 or 6 scholarship OL players available for the first 5 games of the season. One or two injuries and our self-proclaimed sick stable of running backs is completely negated.

If Carter gets cleared of his butt-rape charges can he be cleared to be offered? O-line depth scurrz me lotz. But hey, we're stacked at linebacker.

Sniper
02-11-2011, 04:44 PM
Rich Rodriguez summed up in two sentences

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=6112303

In the fall of 2008, Clowney's sophomore year, then-Michigan assistant coach Tony Gibson was recruiting [CB Stephon] Gilmore. The Wolverines wanted him as a quarterback to run their zone read in Ann Arbor.

Let's recruit one of the top corners in the country- AND PUT HIM ON OFFENSE!

P-L
02-11-2011, 05:04 PM
Sniper, do you have access to the Lions forum?

Sniper
02-11-2011, 05:06 PM
Sniper, do you have access to the Lions forum?

I still do not.

P-L
02-11-2011, 06:04 PM
I still do not.
I'll see what I can do.

I want to keep an updated recruiting board in the Michigan thread and I would really appreciate if you and ironman could post updates if you guys come across new offers or interested prospects.

Camazing5
02-16-2011, 11:32 AM
Just throwing this out there, but it looks like Illinois will have another 1st round draft pick in the draft. Could this be a sign that the Zooker is turning the program around, just at a VERY slow pace? I'm an Illini homer so I'm very bias towards having faith in the Illini. It seems that I can play with just about anybody in the B1G, but have a bad habit of not playing well in the 2nd half, esp. in the 4th qrt.

What's everyone else think?

Sniper
02-16-2011, 01:30 PM
Just throwing this out there, but it looks like Illinois will have another 1st round draft pick in the draft. Could this be a sign that the Zooker is turning the program around, just at a VERY slow pace?

He went 7-6 and lost to Rich Rod, so no.

It seems that I can play with just about anybody in the B1G, but have a bad habit of not playing well in the 2nd half, esp. in the 4th qrt.

Good teams and teams that have turned around play well in the second half, especially the fourth quarter.

bearsfan_51
02-16-2011, 02:05 PM
It's a sign that Zook can recruit talented players and then completely underachieve with them.

So, no, more of them same.

iowatreat54
02-16-2011, 10:58 PM
It's a sign that Zook can recruit talented players and then completely underachieve with them.

So, no, more of them same.

Basically. Zook is a fantastic recruiter. But the fact that he has continually brought some top talent in and isn't even a .500 coach really shows that he can't develop or coach worth a lick.

He does have some good coordinators now, but they still need to prove that they can succeed based on actual gameplanning and not just getting by on shear tallent.

Sniper
02-24-2011, 08:53 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/23972/purdues-mcburse-not-expected-to-return

Purdue running back Al-Terek McBurse isn't expected to return to the team for the 2011 season, coach Danny Hope told The (Lafayette) Journal and Courier on Thursday.

A team spokesman confirmed that McBurse hasn't been participating in winter workouts the past few weeks but remains enrolled in school. McBurse entered the 2010 season as Purdue's top running back but missed two games with a toe injury and slipped behind Dan Dierking and others on the depth chart. He finished the year with 189 rush yards and a touchdown on 22 carries and added five receptions for 30 yards.

and...

Meanwhile, there's still no word from the NCAA on whether All-Big Ten receiver Keith Smith will receive a sixth year of eligibility. Last week, NFL.com reported that Smith would get an answer from the NCAA on Monday, but Hope told the Journal and Courier that no decision has been finalized.

iowatreat54
02-25-2011, 06:56 PM
Because I'm bored and never get to be on here anymore because of work...

Yep...but I honestly believe it. I don't think the Illini are that far away from a national championship...if you look at the overall scheme of things, Zook and this staff have really built a team. Liuget, Leshoure and Tez left, but there is a lot coming back and a lot coming in. The 2012 class could be the class that puts them over the top if they can add a couple of true instant impact, superstar type of players.

JoeJoeBrown
02-25-2011, 08:32 PM
Because I'm bored and never get to be on here anymore because of work...

Who the hell said that?

iowatreat54
02-25-2011, 11:05 PM
Who the hell said that?

2 guesses, most should only need 1. It's not a writer or coach or anything like that..

Sniper
02-26-2011, 07:24 AM
2 guesses, most should only need 1. It's not a writer or coach or anything like that..

I'll take ThaKid/bigbenn for $500, Alex.

ToldLikeItIs
02-26-2011, 09:48 AM
ThaKid is a total psychopath.

That being said, Iowa is going to win 18 games next year :)

HindSight
02-28-2011, 09:42 AM
If I had time I'd go on buckeyeplanet and pull up the posts he made about how they were on pace to win a NC by 2011 and he listed all these players that were going to be superstars. It's fun to go back and look at how stupid he was/is. Him and Told are the reasons my name is HindSight.

Sniper
02-28-2011, 04:34 PM
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/022811aaa.html

The NCAA has denied Purdue wide receiver Keith Smith's request for a sixth year of eligibility.

iowatreat54
02-28-2011, 06:05 PM
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/022811aaa.html

As a fan of Purdue's most hated and long standing rival, this pleases me...


Seriously though, sucks for Smith. He was tits.

bearsfan_51
02-28-2011, 06:14 PM
As a fan of Purdue's most hated and long standing rival, this pleases me...


Seriously though, sucks for Smith. He was tits.

http://qctimes.com/sports/college/big-10/iowa/article_e0abb1e6-b620-11df-845b-001cc4c03286.html

I also like this article because he compares Iowa to Ohio State and Nebraska. That's something that can only be done with a straight face in Iowa.

iowatreat54
02-28-2011, 06:28 PM
http://qctimes.com/sports/college/big-10/iowa/article_e0abb1e6-b620-11df-845b-001cc4c03286.html

I also like this article because he compares Iowa to Ohio State and Nebraska. That's something that can only be done with a straight face in Iowa.

Are you saying a .600ish team over the last 10 years, and overall .500ish team historically that hasn't made a Rose Bowl in 20+ years with like 3 Big Ten titles in the last 30 years and one semi-fake NC in their history isn't on par with OSU and Nebraska????

Our permanent rival is Purdue ffs...we command respect.

dannyz
02-28-2011, 09:17 PM
I think it's going to be a good game. Iowa has been a good really good team the last couple of years and I think it's the Best Rivalry for Nebraska in the Big 10.

iowatreat54
02-28-2011, 11:07 PM
I think it's going to be a good game. Iowa has been a good really good team the last couple of years and I think it's the Best Rivalry for Nebraska in the Big 10.

Oh yea, that. Well Iowa-Nebraska will be pretty good, but it's got nothing on IOwa-Purdue. The rivalry so good that neither knew it ever existed...

Sniper
03-01-2011, 06:39 AM
Ovhyfmqcg6k

Is your team's QB a clue on Jeopardy? Didn't think so.

DENARD FOR HEISMAN!

Sniper
03-01-2011, 07:40 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/24110/minnesotas-green-granted-hardship-waiver

Good news for Minnesota receiver Brandon Green, who has been granted a medical hardship waiver by the Big Ten.

Green played in two games in 2010 before suffering a season-ending knee injury. The 2010 season won't count against Green's eligibility, and he'll have two seasons left with the Gophers.

Sniper
03-01-2011, 07:44 AM
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-02-26/marvin-mcnutt-will-miss-spring-practice-at-iowa


Iowa receiver Marvin McNutt will miss spring practices after undergoing surgery on a thumb and shoulder recently, according to the Cedar Rapids Gazette.

McNutt, a senior, led the Hawkeyes with 53 catches for 861 yards. He was the target of many passes for quarterback Ricky Stanzi, who is at the NFL Combine.

Iowa will have to break in new quarterback James Vandenberg without McNutt's help.

iowatreat54
03-07-2011, 07:38 PM
http://thegazette.com/2011/03/07/220183/

Iowa-Nebraska game will be played the Friday after Thanksgiving.

Most Iowa fans are pissed, and when I first thought about it during the season I didn't like it. But I actually don't mind it now. Hopefully they can build a pretty sweet rivalry. At least a better one than Wisconsin/PSU-Nebraska would have ever been.

dannyz
03-07-2011, 07:48 PM
Why are Iowa fans pissed?

iowatreat54
03-07-2011, 07:58 PM
Why are Iowa fans pissed?

Well...
1. A bunch hate Nebraska and never wanted them in the Big 10 because they are like 800 years old.

2. They think Big Ten football should only be played on Saturday because they're old.

3. They apparently plan on traveling home from wherever at like 7 or 8 pm on the Friday night it will be played.

4. They think it's gimmicky.

In short, they are either grumpy old people or idiots, or mostly both.

dannyz
03-07-2011, 09:08 PM
Old People Man they piss me off

JoeJoeBrown
03-07-2011, 09:53 PM
Supposedly JT heard allegations (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ys-osuprobe030711) of the Tat5 dopes in April.

It wouldn't surprise me if he did hear about it and decided to not pursue it. The man isn't a saint. OTOH, who gives a crap?

Regardless, this really seems like an unsubstantiated hit piece, one that is almost unprovable.

JoeJoeBrown
03-08-2011, 10:36 AM
Rumors that the poo may really be hitting the fan at OSU. We'll see.

Haters get ready to rejoice!

bearsfan_51
03-08-2011, 10:42 AM
Iowa is the oldest state in the country, true story.

Sniper
03-08-2011, 11:16 AM
Rumors that the poo may really be hitting the fan at OSU. We'll see.

Haters get ready to rejoice!

I'll believe it when I see it.

JoeJoeBrown
03-08-2011, 11:28 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.

Actually, I agree. It would be very difficult to prove.

I mean, he probably get's inundated with allegations of misdoings. And I assume he passes those on. I doubt that they compliance guys look too deep into things.

Some conspiracy types think that Delany was behind the whole getting them to play in the SB deal. And that, by extension, he made OSU sit on this for the season since OSU was a contender. Conspiracy theorists are funny.

diabsoule
03-08-2011, 02:20 PM
Lots of news coming out concerning Jim Tressel, Ohio State, and the players that sold memorabilia for tattoos. Some speculating that Tressel will resign tonight at his presser (97.1 The Fan out of Ohio).

Yahoo reported last night that Tressel knew as early as April that he knew about what Pryor and others were doing. If this is proven so then Ohio State could be in some serious **** with the NCAA.

Presser tonight with Tressel, Gordon Gee, and others.

P-L
03-08-2011, 02:28 PM
Tressel isn't going resign. The press conference is just going to be an excuse as to why they didn't go to the NCAA sooner.

JoeJoeBrown
03-08-2011, 02:57 PM
Tressel isn't going resign. The press conference is just going to be an excuse as to why they didn't go to the NCAA sooner.

Yeah, there is no way they would get rid of him this way.

Also, the whole thing is hilarious. We have schools paying kids hundreds of thousands of dollars in the SEC and the NCAA does absolutely NOTHING.

OSU has some kids selling the merchandise that they OWNED getting in trouble. Which is fine, but it pales in comparison to Cam Newton.

And now this almost unprovable crap. Even if it did happen 1) big whoop and 2) how can you prove that he ignored it? He probably gets dozens of these complaints a week and sends them off to compliance.

diabsoule
03-08-2011, 02:59 PM
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&SPID=10408&SPSID=87747

No Ohio State coaching staff is listed for this year when yesterday they had a full staff page up

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 03:35 PM
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&SPID=10408&SPSID=87747

No Ohio State coaching staff is listed for this year when yesterday they had a full staff page up
Not only that, but the buzz is already circulating that the next Ohio State head coach will be Urban Meyer.

Link (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3517/3741058954_3837e82090.jpg)

Sniper
03-09-2011, 01:45 PM
http://www.freep.com/article/20110309/SPORTS06/110309037/Michigan-s-Brady-Hoke-calls-Jim-Tressel-good-man-

The coaches confirmed two position changes: Will Campbell is back at defensive tackle and Steve Watson is back at tight end.

Saints-Tigers
03-09-2011, 02:26 PM
Apparently the big 10 can't top the SEC in football or in sneakily cheating.

Get on yo game!!!

wonderbredd24
03-09-2011, 02:30 PM
Apparently the big 10 can't top the SEC in football or in sneakily cheating.

Get on yo game!!!
Unfortunately the Big Ten appears to have a conscience... a problem the SEC has never had

Saints-Tigers
03-09-2011, 02:31 PM
Hahha, yea, that's what it is.

P-L
03-09-2011, 02:36 PM
Apparently the big 10 can't top the SEC in football or in sneakily cheating.

Get on yo game!!!
For someone who claims to be a Miami Hurricanes fan, you certainly are all over the SEC's dick every chance you get. If you're not a fan of a team that plays in the SEC why is their superiority to the Big Ten so important to you?

Sniper
03-09-2011, 04:07 PM
http://mgoblog.com/content/football-luncheon-notes?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+mgoblog+(mgoblog)

Cameron Gordon will play outside linebacker, because they want to get the guys into the best position they can to make plays. "And then what's the most upside." He has great ability to grow, and has that upside at OLB. "As compared to being a safety, I think he can do that too, but we have other guys that can do that."

Mattison hasn't watched any film on the defense from 2010. The only useful thing would be for individual ability, but he'll learn that through conditioning. "The players we have here are who we have here." Improving the defensive rankings doesn't matter. "I want this defense to be the best they can possibly be... It doesn't matter what the numbers were before. If the numbers were 50 a game and it goes down to 40, that isn't good enough." The bar at Michigan is higher than most places.

Smart man.

Sniper
03-09-2011, 04:11 PM
TPeezy2
Damn!! Its Like that?RT @esprad13: @tpeezy2 these problems would have never ocurred if you weren't born.

Bizzurnnnnn.

JoeJoeBrown
03-09-2011, 05:12 PM
Bizzurnnnnn.

Harsh. Then, again, Pryor has been nothing but a cluster**** since coming to OSU. I think it was Shane (or some other OSU student) that was saying that he rolled with a bad crew early on in his attendance at OSU.

BTW, I know this isn't football, but the Fab Five is just full of awesome stupidity and racism. (http://nation.foxnews.com/duke/2011/03/09/espn-host-duke-only-recruits-uncle-toms)

Rose said, “For me, Duke was personal. I hated Duke. And I hated everything I felt Duke stood for. Schools like Duke didn’t recruit players like me. I felt like they only recruited black players that were Uncle Toms.”

Saints-Tigers
03-09-2011, 05:58 PM
For someone who claims to be a Miami Hurricanes fan, you certainly are all over the SEC's dick every chance you get. If you're not a fan of a team that plays in the SEC why is their superiority to the Big Ten so important to you?


It's not important, if the SEC weren't better, I wouldn't say it, I just think it's hilarious that people argue that it's even close, because it really isn't at all, and look how asshurt you guys get whenever it's said.

That, and there has been "SEC is only good cuz they cheat!!!" thing, particularly with Big-10 homers around here, or how "SEC SPEEEDZZZ" or how everyone talks about how overrated the SEC is, while they rape the country of championship trophies. Go look at Sniper's posts in the SEC thread, it's actually hilarious.

I'm not an LSU fan at all(since that is what you are hinting at I guess), I follow them a lot because they are on a lot, but I really could care less about their success, and hate the general bandwagon-ism that follows them in "tiger country" but the SEC is superior, and it's hilarious that people fight that.

PS: it's all in good fun anyway, chill!

Sniper
03-09-2011, 06:08 PM
Harsh. Then, again, Pryor has been nothing but a cluster**** since coming to OSU. I think it was Shane (or some other OSU student) that was saying that he rolled with a bad crew early on in his attendance at OSU.

BTW, I know this isn't football, but the Fab Five is just full of awesome stupidity and racism. (http://nation.foxnews.com/duke/2011/03/09/espn-host-duke-only-recruits-uncle-toms)

No hating on the Fab 5. That's where I draw the line, sir!

Saints-Tigers
03-09-2011, 06:38 PM
Yea, for real, I do love me some fab 5.

wonderbredd24
03-09-2011, 06:40 PM
No hating on the Fab 5. That's where I draw the line, sir!
The what 5?

Did anything they did actually count?

Smooth Criminal
03-09-2011, 06:55 PM
The what 5?

Did anything they did actually count?

Nope, it was basketball.

Sniper
03-11-2011, 10:35 AM
http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20110311/NEWS/110319965/1077&ParentProfile=1058

Officers responded to a report of a disturbance at the Regal. Maxwell Bullough, 19, Traverse, Mich., and Brian Linthicum, 23, Fallon, Ill., were arrested and transported to Pitkin County Jail. Bullough was charged with eluding police and underage possession of alcohol (18-20). Linthicum was charged with eluding police and third-degree assault.

Both Michigan State players. Bullough is a linebacker and Linthicum is a tight end.

CaneBang
03-11-2011, 10:37 AM
Not gonna look good on Linthicum's resume for next year.

bearsfan_51
03-22-2011, 10:46 AM
http://www.catviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/skeptical_cat4-270x300.jpg

Marino13
03-23-2011, 02:50 PM
Ray Vinopal has left Michigan and is going home to Youngstown

ironman4579
03-23-2011, 04:53 PM
Ray Vinopal has left Michigan and is going home to Youngstown

You should probably point out that it's for family reasons, and supposedly not anything to do with not wanting to be at Michigan.

Hines
03-23-2011, 04:55 PM
Seems like the last two Mooney kids that went to Michigan have went back home to play for YSU.

HindSight
03-24-2011, 12:12 PM
Honestly, the kid would have to be Adrian Peterson before I offered another person from Youngstown.

StickSkills
03-28-2011, 03:47 AM
This is just a funny article about Pryor that is 100% true. (http://victorybellrings.com/2011/03/28/terrelle-pryor-strikes-again/)

bearsfan_51
03-28-2011, 08:58 AM
The starters so far through Spring practice for Minnesota:

QB- Marquis Gray (JR)
RB- Duanne Bennett (SR)
WR- Da'Jon McKnight (SR)
WR- ? (Up for grabs)- Probably between Brandon Green and JUCO Ge'Shun Harris
TE- Eric Lair (SR)
OT- Ed Olson Jr. (SO)
OG- Chris Bunders (SR)
OC- Ryan Wynn (SR)
OG- Ryan Orton (SR)
OT- Jimmy Gjere (rFR)

(Every position on the D-line appears up for grabs, big problem getting sacks last year but almost everyone returns)
OLB- Keanon Cooper (JR)
ILB- Brandon Beal (Florida Transfer-SO)
OLB- Gary Tinsley/Mike Rallis (SR)
CB- Troy Stoudermire (SR)
CB- ? (Up for grabs)- Probably between Michael Carter and Brock Vereen
FS- Kim Royston (SR)
SS- James Manuel (SO)


A fair amount of seniors for a rebuilding program. It'll be interesting to see how much that changes over the Summer.

JFLO
05-02-2011, 09:53 AM
Ohio State linebacker and former 5-Star recruit Dorian Bell has been suspended for the entire 2011 season by the school for violating an unspecificed team rule.

Bell has been in and out of trouble since stepping foot in Columbus.

keylime_5
05-02-2011, 06:00 PM
sucks b/c he was gonna start at SAM linebacker this year before being an everydown WLB in 2012. It will only hurt us badly if Tyler Moeller gets hurt again b/c he will probably not come off the field this year (meaning we'll use a 4-2-5 at least 95% of the time)

bearsfan_51
07-01-2011, 08:07 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/651348/335229051_medium.jpg

Welcome to the Big Ten, Nebraska.

JoeJoeBrown
07-02-2011, 01:54 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/651348/335229051_medium.jpg

Welcome to the Big Ten, Nebraska.

Wow, someone did a really good job with that.

On a side note, I'm now hungry.

bearsfan_51
07-02-2011, 02:18 PM
It was Northwestern. Nerds are great.

bearsfan_51
07-21-2011, 11:55 AM
This thread is dead. I guess it was always 50% Sniper talking about Michigan.

Let's talk about recruiting. Here are my current class rankings.

1) Michigan
2) Penn State
3) Ohio State
4) Michigan State
5) Wisconsin
6) Minnesota
7) Nebraska
8) Indiana
9) Northwestern
10) Iowa
11) Purdue
12) Illinois

A lot of it has to do with the number of commitments (Minnesota has 17, Iowa has 6), so there will obviously be some fluidity to the list from now until January, but that's how I see it, and I follow midwest recruiting thoroughly.

JoeJoeBrown
07-21-2011, 12:49 PM
This thread is dead. I guess it was always 50% Sniper talking about Michigan.

Let's talk about recruiting. Here are my current class rankings.

1) Michigan
2) Penn State
3) Ohio State
4) Michigan State
5) Wisconsin
6) Minnesota
7) Nebraska
8) Indiana
9) Northwestern
10) Iowa
11) Purdue
12) Illinois

A lot of it has to do with the number of commitments (Minnesota has 17, Iowa has 6), so there will obviously be some fluidity to the list from now until January, but that's how I see it, and I follow midwest recruiting thoroughly.

What happened to Sniper?

bearsfan_51
07-21-2011, 03:47 PM
He got banned for being Sniper.