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no bare feet
01-10-2011, 08:26 AM
East
85 Kyle Adams TE Purdue
95 Pierre Allen DE Nebraska
99 Marvin Austin DT North Carolina
70 JC Brignone C Mississippi State
71 Bryant Browning OG Ohio State
3 Delone Carter RB Syracuse
51 Akem Dent ILB Georgia
17 Patrick Devlin QB Delaware
4 Ricky Dobbs QB Navy
19 Ryan Donahue P Iowa
83 Charles Gantt TE Michigan State
43 Eric Gordon SS Michigan State
61 Christian Hairston OT Clemson
7 Jermale Hines SS Ohio State
32 Douglas Hogue OLB Syracuse
66 Randall Hunt OG Illinois
78 Zachary Hurd OG Connecticut
31 Brian Lainhart FS Kent State
94 Gregory Lyoyd II ILB Connecticut
83 Cliff Matthews DE South Carolina
97 Terrell McClain DT USF
44 Josh McNary OLB Army
49 Bruce Miller DE UCF
8 Jonas Mouton OLB Michigan
9 Martin Parker DT Richmond
76 Jah Reid OT UCF
22 Evan Royster RB Penn State
2 David Sims SS Iowa State
13 Greg Smith TE Texas
5 Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
80 Terrence Toliver WR LSU
1 Terrence Turner WR Indiana
21 Demarcus Van Dyke CB Miami
6 Lawrence Wilson ILB Connecticut

WEST
77 David Arkin OG Missouri State
88 Brandon Bair DT Oregon
84 Jordan Cameron TE USC
85 David Carter DT UCLA
43 Chris Carter OLB Fresno State
17 Chris Conte FS California
44 Ricky Elmore DE Arizona
10 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho
78 Adam Grant OT Arizona
25 Alex Green RB Hawaii
86 Virgil Green II TE Nevada
38 Trevor Hankins P Arizona State
69 Andrew Jackson OG Fresno State
54 Ben Jacobs ILB Fresno State
23 Jeron Johnson SS Boise State
1 Jerrod Johnson QB Texas A&M
13 Shiloh Keo SS Idaho
36 Karl Klug DE Iowa
41 Orie Lemon ILB Oklahoma State
60 Alex Linnenkohl C Oregon State
55 Dontay Moch OLB Nevada
18 Michael Mohamed ILB California
3 Jonathan Nelson SS Oklahoma
72 Caleb Schlauderaff OG Utah
33 Justin Taplin-Ross SS Utah
35 Vai Taua RB Nevada
81 Julius Thomas TE Portland State
7 Brandyn Thompson CB Boise State
16 Scott Tolzien QB Wisconsin
17 Winston Venable OLB Boise State
8 Ryan Whalen WR Stanford
9 Nate Williams SS Washington
51 Zachary Williams OG Washington State
98 Ryan Winterswke DE Boise S

Schedule of EventsMonday, January 17, 2011

Practice Schedule
Florida Citrus Bowl Practice Fields
Open to the public
East: 1:30 - 3 p.m.
West: 3:30 - 5 p.m.


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Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Practice Schedule
Florida Citrus Bowl Practice Fields
Open to the public
East: 10:30 a.m. - 12:30 p.m.
West: 2:30 - 4:30 p.m.


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Wednesday, January 19, 2011

Practice Schedule
Florida Citrus Bowl Practice Fields
Open to the public
East: 10:30 a.m. - 12:30 p.m.
West: 2:30 - 4:30 p.m.

Practice Schedule
Florida Citrus Bowl Practice Fields
Open to the public
East: 10:30 a.m. - 12:30 p.m.
West: 2:30 - 4:30 p.m.

East-West Shrine Game
4:00 p.m., kick-off
Florida Citrus Bowl, 1610 W. Church St., Orlando

no bare feet
01-10-2011, 08:27 AM
Who are some of your mid-late round picks you wanna watch in the game/practices?

Who do you feel will be the best overall player this week?

Who's stock will shoot up after this week?

no bare feet
01-10-2011, 08:30 AM
I like the EWSG week almost as much as Sr. Bowl Week. It provides another element to the pre-draft process.

Some guys to watch:
Jordan Cameron TE from USC
Douglas Hogue LB from Syracuse
Jeron Jonhnson SS from Boise St

The Qb that I think will have the best week and his stock could catapult would be Pat Devlin. He is a bit raw but to see how he measures up vs. some better comp. could really elevate his stock to become a 2nd rounder.

RealityCheck
01-10-2011, 08:32 AM
The Rise and Fall of Marvin Austin.

regoob2
01-10-2011, 09:46 AM
I'm going to the game. I really want to see Marvin Austin.

brasho
01-10-2011, 10:04 AM
Marvin Austin, even though he sucked when he did play, it will be interesting see if he is actually any good now...


And especially DONTAY MOCH.... this guy plays soooo much bigger than his size, he bull rushes OGs, he runs the arc, he splits double teams, I think he's underrated because people think he's a workout guy but regardless of if he runs a 4.25 or a 4.6, I think he could be a full-time starting DE in a 4-3. He uses his leverage and quickness and power to really play big.

shylo3716
01-10-2011, 10:10 AM
Tyrod's stock will soar

critesy
01-10-2011, 10:59 AM
rocky dobbs actually playing qb in this ?

and also tyrod to tolliver, should be good.

Babylon
01-10-2011, 11:12 AM
West has some interesting guys to watch:

Jerrod Johnson, Texas A&M
Ricky Elmore, Arizona
Jordan Cameron, USC
Nate Williams, UW

Grizzlegom
01-10-2011, 11:20 AM
I'm pumped for this game, lots of guys i like.

Pat Devlin, Delaware in a not dip and dunk offense.
Jerrod Johnson and Marvin Austin, lets see what you got.
Delone Carter and Evan Royster are two mid-to-late round backs I'm high on.
Charlie Gantt and Terrence Tolliver should stand out if the QBs can get the ball to them.
Winterswyk and Elmore are two later round pass rushers I like.
I like Chris Carter a lot too. Potential 34 ILB prospect.

draftguru151
01-10-2011, 11:21 AM
97 Terrell McClain DT USF
49 Bruce Miller DE UCF

Two underrated guys from Florida on the DL, though Miller is probably an OLB in the pros.

iowatreat54
01-10-2011, 11:21 AM
Iowa has one guy on the East and one on the West.

Interesting...

SolidGold
01-10-2011, 11:23 AM
I also want to see how Bruce Miller plays, he is flying under everyone's radar but was absurdly productive. It will be interesting to see what kind of numbers he puts up at the combine.

Dontay Moch also intrigues me.

D-Unit
01-10-2011, 11:25 AM
Alex Green is gonna open some eyes. 6'2", 232 pound workhorse with soft hands out of the backfield and has more pass block experience than any RB in the nation.

critesy
01-10-2011, 11:27 AM
Alex Green is gonna open some eyes. 6'2", 232 pound workhorse with soft hands out of the backfield and has more pass block experience than any RB in the nation.
i also like green, excited to see him get more carries here.

Duffman57
01-10-2011, 01:36 PM
i also like green, excited to see him get more carries here.

Yeah I've always liked him. He's good in space for such a big back. He also doesn't look 6'2 but I like that.

cajuncorey
01-10-2011, 02:49 PM
Two canadian invites include for the east offensive tackle matt o donnell (6'10, 340) from queens university and for the west WR anthony parker (6'2, 215) from Calgary U. both have big size could make an impact.

RealityCheck
01-10-2011, 03:51 PM
I love me some Alex Green too, very underrated player. Reminds me of Matt Forte coming out.

JPP90
01-10-2011, 04:07 PM
Delone Carter amd Doug Hogue reppin' the Cuse. These guys should do well.

Babylon
01-10-2011, 04:57 PM
Delone Carter amd Doug Hogue reppin' the Cuse. These guys should do well.

I was impressed with the Syracuse defense when they were up here in Seattle.

Chidi29
01-10-2011, 05:24 PM
This could be a coming out party for Hurd. He moves really well for a big man. Chris Kemoeatu clone in a lot of ways.

Fan of the Idaho guys. Enderle and Keo. Keo's had a lot of success against Kellen Moore.

I came across Julius Thomas' name yesterday. One of those former basketball guys who is athletic but raw. This year's Jimmy Graham?

Brent
01-10-2011, 05:39 PM
Jerrod Johnson!

ThePudge
01-10-2011, 06:11 PM
I'm going to sort these prospects in accordance with where they fit (as of now) into April's NFL Draft. They are sorted by both roster and general rounds.

EAST

Early Rounders (1st-2nd)
- None for the East at this point

Mid-Rounders (3rd-5th)
95 Pierre Allen DE Nebraska
3 Delone Carter RB Syracuse
99 Marvin Austin DT North Carolina
7 Jermale Hines SS Ohio State
32 Douglas Hogue OLB Syracuse
17 Patrick Devlin QB Delaware
78 Zachary Hurd OG Connecticut
61 Christian Hairston OT Clemson
83 Cliff Matthews DE South Carolina
97 Terrell McClain DT USF
80 Terrence Toliver WR LSU
6 Lawrence Wilson ILB Connecticut

Late Round - Undrafted (6th-UDFA)
85 Kyle Adams TE Purdue
70 JC Brignone C Mississippi State
71 Bryant Browning OG Ohio State
51 Akem Dent ILB Georgia
4 Ricky Dobbs QB Navy
19 Ryan Donahue P Iowa
83 Charles Gantt TE Michigan State
43 Eric Gordon SS Michigan State
66 Randall Hunt OG Illinois
31 Brian Lainhart FS Kent State
94 Gregory Lyoyd II ILB Connecticut
44 Josh McNary OLB Army
49 Bruce Miller DE UCF
8 Jonas Mouton OLB Michigan
9 Martin Parker DT Richmond
76 Jah Reid OT UCF
22 Evan Royster RB Penn State
2 David Sims SS Iowa State
13 Greg Smith TE Texas
5 Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
1 Terrence Turner WR Indiana
21 Demarcus Van Dyke CB Miami


WEST

Early Rounders
55 Dontay Moch OLB Nevada

Mid-Rounders
43 Chris Carter OLB Fresno State
44 Ricky Elmore DE Arizona
10 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho
23 Jeron Johnson SS Boise State
41 Orie Lemon ILB Oklahoma State
9 Nate Williams SS Washington

Late Round/UDFA
77 David Arkin OG Missouri State
88 Brandon Bair DT Oregon
84 Jordan Cameron TE USC
85 David Carter DT UCLA
17 Chris Conte FS California
78 Adam Grant OT Arizona
25 Alex Green RB Hawaii
86 Virgil Green II TE Nevada
38 Trevor Hankins P Arizona State
69 Andrew Jackson OG Fresno State
54 Ben Jacobs ILB Fresno State
1 Jerrod Johnson QB Texas A&M
13 Shiloh Keo SS Idaho
36 Karl Klug DE Iowa
60 Alex Linnenkohl C Oregon State
18 Michael Mohamed ILB California
3 Jonathan Nelson SS Oklahoma
72 Caleb Schlauderaff OG Utah
33 Justin Taplin-Ross SS Utah
35 Vai Taua RB Nevada
81 Julius Thomas TE Portland State
7 Brandyn Thompson CB Boise State
16 Scott Tolzien QB Wisconsin
17 Winston Venable OLB Boise State
8 Ryan Whalen WR Stanford
51 Zachary Williams OG Washington State
98 Ryan Winterswyk DE Boise State

nofalcons10
01-10-2011, 06:46 PM
I love me some Alex Green too, very underrated player. Reminds me of Matt Forte coming out.

I made the same comparison a few days a go. He even reminds me of a young Deshaun Foster or lighter lendale white. Can't wait to watch him.

gator3guy
01-10-2011, 07:38 PM
Are practices being televised this year?

DaBrowns41
01-10-2011, 10:03 PM
Virgil Green should rise up quite a bit if he gets a combine invite.

ellsy82
01-11-2011, 01:03 AM
I wanna see more of Hairston of Clemson. The Shrine Game should be quite telling.

no bare feet
01-11-2011, 07:13 AM
I am going to assume Tolzein outshines Nathan Enderle

underscore
01-17-2011, 09:52 AM
Ollie Ogbu (DT, Penn State) is on the East roster.

He's generously listed at 6'1, 285. He'd compare to a poor man's Anthony Adams.

toddmlazarchick
01-17-2011, 10:21 AM
What day is the actual game?

draftguru151
01-17-2011, 10:27 AM
Saturday the 22nd.

Also Miami RB Graig Cooper is on the roster.

bored of education
01-17-2011, 10:29 AM
COOOP!!!!!

Chidi29
01-17-2011, 11:21 AM
There isn't any other way to see the game without the NFL Network, right?

SolidGold
01-17-2011, 11:31 AM
Do all the propects get their ht/wt taken on the east-west shrine game? If so does anyone have a link to the results?

ThePudge
01-17-2011, 11:39 AM
Do all the propects get their ht/wt taken on the east-west shrine game? If so does anyone have a link to the results?

I don't have a link for you, but I've got some answers for you via Wes Bunting's twitter.

Jerrod Johnson - QB - Texas A&M
- 6050 250

Pat Devlin - QB - Delaware
- 6033 226

Tyrod Taylor - QB - Virginia Tech
- 6006 216

Graig Cooper - RB - Miami
- 5101 203

Terrance Tolliver - WR - LSU
- 6035 211

Ryan Whalen - WR - Stanford
- 6010 204

Jeff Maehl - WR - Oregon
- 6001 181

Ricky Elmore - DE - Arizona
- 6043 255

Marvin Austin - DT - North Carolina
- 6021 312

Brian Rolle - LB - Ohio State
- 5095 227

Chidi29
01-17-2011, 11:52 AM
Wow, Rolle is really short.

Morton
01-17-2011, 01:26 PM
Wow, Rolle is really short.

But he hits like somebody twice his size.

brasho
01-17-2011, 02:07 PM
I also read from Rob Rang's blog that Nathan Enderle was 6'4.2 and 242 and Cecil Shorts was 5'11.7 and 200.

regoob2
01-17-2011, 02:20 PM
That's a good weight for Austin.

RealityCheck
01-17-2011, 02:24 PM
6'4" and 240 is a great size for a QB.

brasho
01-17-2011, 02:31 PM
That's a good weight for Austin.

Yes, but his heart measured in 3 sizes too small.

ThePudge
01-17-2011, 02:35 PM
6'4" and 240 is a great size for a QB.

It sure is; unfortunately no QB prospect had a more disappointing season than Nathan Enderle. An awful track record against the better teams on his schedule. Before the season, I thought he could be in the 3rd-4th Round range but he'll need a good week to solidify a spot in the later rounds. With an outstanding week at the Shrine Game/Combine he could move up to the 5th Round range or so, but I'm not sure I see that happening.

JHL6719
01-17-2011, 02:44 PM
I assume all the height/weight measurements of the Shrine Game prospects will be posted in this thread?

ThePudge
01-17-2011, 02:48 PM
I assume all the height/weight measurements of the Shrine Game prospects will be posted in this thread?

At some point, probably.


Edit: But if you want news right away: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/EastWest-Shrine-game-notebook.html

All weigh-in info is below... I'll post some surprises/impressions a bit later.

Chidi29
01-17-2011, 03:14 PM
Barksdale is a lot shorter than I thought. 6'4 and a half.

Chidi29
01-17-2011, 03:15 PM
It sure is; unfortunately no QB prospect had a more disappointing season than Nathan Enderle. An awful track record against the better teams on his schedule. Before the season, I thought he could be in the 3rd-4th Round range but he'll need a good week to solidify a spot in the later rounds. With an outstanding week at the Shrine Game/Combine he could move up to the 5th Round range or so, but I'm not sure I see that happening.

There was a big turnover at Idaho though.

I still see a lot of potential from him. He's shown flashes of being able to do everything you look for in a QB. Hope he has a good week.

brasho
01-17-2011, 05:36 PM
I'm pretty disappointed with one player in particular. Dontay Moch, he measured in at a fairly predictable 6013 but only weighed 229. I honestly thought he had a shot at being a speed leverage DE a la Dwight Freeney in a 4-3. Looks like he will ONLY be looked at as a LB now and most likely only by teams in the 3-4.

brasho
01-17-2011, 05:52 PM
Virgil Green should rise up quite a bit if he gets a combine invite.

Oh yeah, he'll be invited, he's too athletic and made too many plays not to. Plus he just measured in at 6033 and 248... I thought he had a chance at 6'4 but figured he might be closer to 230 than 240.

Chidi29
01-17-2011, 06:01 PM
Oh yeah, he'll be invited, he's to athletic and made too many plays not to. Plus he just measured in at 6033 and 248... I thought he had a chance at 6'4 but figured he might be closer to 230 than 240.

He has some similarities to Aaron Maybin. Moch plays the run better and has better measurables, but he'll have to add weight which could hurt his speed. Maybin played in the 220s his last year with the Nittany Lions.

Mr. Goosemahn
01-17-2011, 06:22 PM
I'm interested in TE Kyle Adams. I see he's got short arms, or at least on the short side.

I see him as a very poor man's Heath Miller, a guy who can kind of do it all but has no elite measurables.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-17-2011, 06:53 PM
Tyrod at 6' 1/2 isn't going to help him. Won't hurt either, though

Chidi29
01-17-2011, 07:21 PM
Tyrod at 6' 1/2 isn't going to help him. Won't hurt either, though

Ten inch hands aren't too shabby though.

SolidGold
01-17-2011, 08:55 PM
sorry about that scott...i removed the url

ATLDirtyBirds
01-17-2011, 08:56 PM
I was hoping Moch would come in heavier than 229.

FUNBUNCHER
01-17-2011, 09:18 PM
Moch seems too small to play in a 3-4 at OLB.
Perfect Will prospect for some 4-3 team.

229# is a HUGE difference from 240-245.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-17-2011, 09:22 PM
Moch seems too small to play in a 3-4 at OLB.
Perfect Will prospect for some 4-3 team.

229# is a HUGE difference from 240-245.


Yeah, I was really hoping he'd be in that 240-245 range and then put on a few more pounds for the combine. He'd be an absolute stud potential pass rusher.

Scott Wright
01-18-2011, 12:44 AM
It's clearly stated in the rules of this forum that linking or promoting other draft sites is strictly prohibited. The same goes for doing it through private messaging, which can be monitored. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree, I won't pay for bandwidth to pump up a rival or potential rival. I built this site the hard way, through hard work, and didn't piggyback on the success of others. I understand that this is a controversial stance and I apologize if it comes off rude, I don't mean to offend anyone and that certainly isn't the intention.

Mr. Offseason
01-18-2011, 01:11 AM
No hard feelings Scott. I've been posting/reading on here for a long time, I was bound to break a rule eventually. lol

I don't envision this being a problem in the future.

Scott Wright
01-18-2011, 01:15 AM
No hard feelings Scott. I've been posting/reading on here for a long time, I was bound to break a rule eventually. lol

I don't envision this being a problem in the future.

No worries. Are you going to be in Mobile next week?

brasho
01-18-2011, 01:45 AM
Moch seems too small to play in a 3-4 at OLB.
Perfect Will prospect for some 4-3 team.

229# is a HUGE difference from 240-245.

A WILL that has rarely ever been asked to drop into coverage or cover one on one? Sam, maybe, but Will is asking a bit much. I don't think 229 is too small for a 3-4 (he plays with fantastic leverage), it is definitely not ideal, but 10 lbs and he's at 240 which is big enough, he may end up going to the combine at mid 230's or more.

Quailman
01-18-2011, 02:12 AM
I like how a guy's weight suddenly changes him as a prospect. I mean one day you have a guy who is estimated to be 240 pounds and he is seen as a pass rushing linebacker who would be best in an attacking 3-4 defense. Then suddenly he actually weighs 229 pounds and people say he is a perfect 4-3 WLB, as if his weight somehow changes Moch's game and that being 10 pounds lighter somehow magically made him less of a pass rusher and a better player in space. Same guy, just lighter, he is a 3-4 OLB still.

Quailman
01-18-2011, 03:05 AM
Is it just me or are the arm measurements very conservative? There are a few guys who I really thought had much longer arms, specifically Terrance Tolliver (31.25"), Cortez Allen (31.75"), USC's Cameron Jordan (at 6'5" he only has 32" arms) and a lot of linemen.

To put that into context, the 5'10" DeSean Jackson has 31.25" arms. If Tolliver despite being 6" taller than DeSean has the same arm length, thats a problem.

Some guys whose stock took a hit based on their weigh in numbers today:
-Bruce Miller, sheesh. We knew he wasn't an athletic guy but 30" arms for DE just isn't going to cut it no matter how good your motor is.
-Kenny Rowe, he came in at 6'2" but only had 31" arms which isn't good for an NFL pass rusher.
-He is 6'4" but he came in about 10 pounds lighter than expected and he only had 30.75" arms. You would be hard pressed to find a good DE with arms shorter than 32".
-Korey Lindsey aka woman hands... 7 7/8" hands are TINY and his arms were only 30". That frame won't match up with the NFL starters on the outside.

Some guys whose stock got a boost based on their weigh in numbers:
Lester Jean, he came in at 6'3" flat, weighing 211 pounds with 33" arms and the guy can fly on the field. Big time sleeper IMO and those numbers bode well for his draft stock. Hands aren't very big though.
-Chris Walker is short at 6'1" but he has 34.25" arms and 10" hands which are great numbers. Good frame.
-Joseph Barksdale with 35.5" arms? Jeesh, those would be some of the longest in the NFL, he came in a hair shy of 6'5" and he was closing in on 340 pounds. Could probably lose weight but man that is a good frame.

And despite their size I still like Winston Venable of Boise State and Brian Rolle of Ohio State. I like the way they play the game, despite being smaller they still go out there and make their impact felt. I think Rolle could start in the right situation (i.e. Tampa 2 WLB) and I think Venable is going to be a special teams demon.

FUNBUNCHER
01-18-2011, 06:14 AM
A WILL that has rarely ever been asked to drop into coverage or cover one on one? Sam, maybe, but Will is asking a bit much. I don't think 229 is too small for a 3-4 (he plays with fantastic leverage), it is definitely not ideal, but 10 lbs and he's at 240 which is big enough, he may end up going to the combine at mid 230's or more.

If Moch is drafted by a 3-4 team, he's going to need to gain about 15 pounds to hold up against NFL OTs.

230# for an OLB was 'small' 15 years ago. It's the rare athlete IMO who can play at that weight in the pros outside in a 3-4.

Mr. Offseason
01-18-2011, 08:03 AM
No worries. Are you going to be in Mobile next week?

Unfortunately no. I'm missing a week of classes to be down here at the Shrine game this week so even if I applied for media passes and got them to the Senior Bowl it would be one hard sell for my professors to let me miss the first two weeks of my semester. lol

Hopefully I'll be able to get down there next year though. Not that I don't like it here, it's really cool. I met Dan Reeves yesterday. As a Falcon fan that was absolutely awesome. I thought I might black out afterwards.

brat316
01-18-2011, 08:59 AM
Graig Cooper is going to be playing.

brasho
01-18-2011, 09:38 AM
If Moch is drafted by a 3-4 team, he's going to need to gain about 15 pounds to hold up against NFL OTs.

230# for an OLB was 'small' 15 years ago. It's the rare athlete IMO who can play at that weight in the pros outside in a 3-4.

That's pretty much what I said, that 229 is not too small because he could gain 10 lbs or so and be fine.------ but if you're talking about rate athletes, Moch is a rare one indeed... he'd still need to gain at least 10 before he lines up in the NFL if he were in a 3-4.

Day One Pick
01-18-2011, 10:16 AM
Here's some easier to read rosters with the Ht/Wt results (height is rounded), including a few roster additions/subtractions.

East-West Shrine Game Rosters

EAST Squad

OFFENSE

17 Pat Devlin, QB, 6-3, 226, Delaware

5 Tyrod Taylor, QB, 6-1, 216, Virginia Tech

4 Ricky Dobbs, QB, 5-11, 214, Navy

12 Delone Carter, RB, 5-9, 225, Syracuse

28 Graig Cooper, RB, 5-10, 203, Miami

22 Evan Royster, RB, 6-0, 218, Penn State

48 Anthony Sherman, FB, 5-10, 244, Connecticut

80 Terrence Toliver, WR, 6-4, 211, Louisiana State

1 Terrence Turner, WR, 6-2, 220, Indiana

10 Cecil Shorts, WR, 6-0, 200, Mt. Union

81 Lester Jean, WR, 6-3, 211, Florida Atlantic

6 Perry Baker, WR, 6-0, 167, Fairmont State

82 Charlie Gantt, TE, 6-4, 255, Michigan State

85 Kyle Adams, TE, 6-5, 250, Purdue

13 Greg Smith, TE, 6-3, 244, Texas

61 Chris Hairston, OT, 6-6, 333, Clemson

76 Jah Reid, OT, 6-7, 325, Central Florida

65 Mike Smith, OT, 6-5, 289, Nebraska

77 David Arkin, OG, 6-5, 302, Missouri State

66 Randall Hunt, OG, 6-6, 318, Illinois

71 Bryant Browning, OG, 6-4, 319, Ohio State

72 Ryan Bartholomew, C, 6-1, 300, Syracuse

70 Will Rackley, C, 6-3, 307, Lehigh

78 Beau Warren, C, 6-3, 292, Virginia Tech


DEFENSE

49 Bruce Miller, DE, 6-1, 258, Central Florida

83 Chris Walker, DE, 6-2, 232, Tennessee

84 Justin Trattou, DE, 6-3, 254, Florida

99 Marvin Austin, DT, 6-2, 312, North Carolina

97 Terrell McClain, DT, 6-2, 305, South Florida

86 Ollie Ogbu, DT, 6-1, 298, Penn State

9 Martin Parker, DT, 6-2, 300, Richmond

55 Kenny Rowe, OLB, 6-2, 234, Richmond

36 Brian Rolle, OLB, 5-10, 227, Ohio State

32 Doug Hogue, OLB, 6-2, 235, Syracuse

44 Josh McNary, OLB, 5-11, 230, Army

94 Greg Lloyd, ILB, 6-1, 247, Connecticut

51 Akem Dent, ILB, 6-1, 239, Georgia

33 Scott Lutrus, ILB, 6-2, 239, Connecticut

21 Demarcus Van Dyke, CB, 6-1, 174, Miami

15 Josh Thomas, CB, 5-10, 196, Buffalo

16 Justin Rogers, CB, 5-10, 183, Richmond

14 Mario Butler, CB, 6-0, 183, Georgia Tech

2 David Sims, SS, 5-9, 208, Iowa State

3 Jonathan Nelson, SS, 5-10, 197, Oklahoma

7 Jermale Hines, SS, 6-1, 214, Ohio State

43 Eric Gordon, SS, 6-0, 227, Michigan State

31 Brian Lainhart, FS, 6-0, 211, Kent State


SPECIALISTS

34 Wes Byrum, K, 6-1, 217, Auburn

19 Ryan Donahue, P, 6-2, 193, Iowa



WEST Squad

OFFENSE

1 Jerrod Johnson, QB, 6-5, 250, Texas A&M

16 Scott Tolzien, QB, 6-2, 209, Wisconsin

10 Nathan Enderle, QB, 6-4, 242, Idaho

31 Da'rel Scott, RB, 5-11, 210, Maryland

35 Vai Taua, RB, 5-9, 211, Nevada

25 Alex Green, RB, 6-0, 219, Hawaii

47 Pat DiMarco, FB, 6-1, 240, South Carolina

80 Armon Binns, WR, 6-2, 211, Cincinnati

23 Jeff Maehl, WR, 6-0, 181, Oregon

83 O.J. Murdock, WR, 5-11, 194, Fort Hays State

3 Anthony Parker, WR, 6-0, 208, Calgary

8 Ryan Whalen, WR, 6-1, 204, Stanford

20 Aldrick Robinson, WR, 5-10, 181, Southern Methodist

86 Virgil Green, TE, 6-3, 248, Nevada

84 Jordan Cameron, TE, 6-5, 244, Southern California

81 Julius Thomas, TE, 6-4, 251, Portland State

77 Joseph Barksdale, OT, 6-5, 336, Louisiana State

78 Adam Grant, OT, 6-6, 327, Arizona

50 Laupepa Letuli, OT, 6-5, 326, Hawaii

66 Matthew O'Donnell, OT, 6-10, 335, Queens, Ontario

69 Andrew Jackson, OG, 6-5, 302, Fresno State

72 Caleb Schlauderaff, OG, 6-4, 310, Utah

51 Zach Williams, OG, 6-3, 307, Washington State

60 Alex Linnenkohl, C, 6-2, 303, Oregon State

74 J.C. Brignone, C, 6-1, 304, Mississippi State


DEFENSE

44 Ricky Elmore, DE, 6-4, 255, Arizona

36 Karl Klug, DE, 6-3, 273, Iowa

45 Cheta Ozougwu, DE, 6-2, 251, Rice

98 Ryan Winterswyk, DE, 6-4, 268, Boise State

85 David Carter, DT, 6-4, 297, UCLA

82 Ted Laurent, DT, 6-1, 312, Mississippi

88 Brandon Bair, DT, 6-6, 273, Oregon

43 Chris Carter, OLB, 6-1, 245, Fresno State

55 Dontay Moch, OLB, 6-1, 229, Nevada

19 Winston Venable, OLB, 5-11, 218, Boise State

42 Nick Bellore, ILB, 6-1, 252, Central Michigan

54 Ben Jacobs, ILB, 6-4, 245, Fresno State

41 Orie Lemon, ILB, 6-1, 244, Oklahoma State

18 Mike Mohamed, ILB, 6-3, 241, California

14 Cortez Allen, CB, 6-1, 196, Citadel

21 Korey Lindsey, CB, 5-10, 181, Southern Illinois

7 Brandyn Thompson, CB, 5-9, 188, Boise State

2 Darrin Walls, CB, 6-0, 188, Notre Dame

22 Jeron Johnson, SS, 5-10, 210, Boise State

13 Shiloh Keo, SS, 5-11, 223, Idaho

24 Andrew Rich, SS, 6-2, 213, Brigham Young

33 Justin Taplin-Ross, SS, 6-2, 213, Utah

9 Nate Williams, SS, 6-0, 207, Washington


SPECIALISTS

95 Dan Bailey, K, 6-0, 198, Oklahoma State

38 Trevor Hankins, P, 6-3, 235, Arizona State

jrdrylie
01-18-2011, 11:56 AM
Is it just me or are the arm measurements very conservative? There are a few guys who I really thought had much longer arms, specifically Terrance Tolliver (31.25"), Cortez Allen (31.75"), USC's Cameron Jordan (at 6'5" he only has 32" arms) and a lot of linemen.

To put that into context, the 5'10" DeSean Jackson has 31.25" arms. If Tolliver despite being 6" taller than DeSean has the same arm length, thats a problem.

Some guys whose stock took a hit based on their weigh in numbers today:
-Bruce Miller, sheesh. We knew he wasn't an athletic guy but 30" arms for DE just isn't going to cut it no matter how good your motor is.
-Kenny Rowe, he came in at 6'2" but only had 31" arms which isn't good for an NFL pass rusher.
-He is 6'4" but he came in about 10 pounds lighter than expected and he only had 30.75" arms. You would be hard pressed to find a good DE with arms shorter than 32".
-Korey Lindsey aka woman hands... 7 7/8" hands are TINY and his arms were only 30". That frame won't match up with the NFL starters on the outside.

Some guys whose stock got a boost based on their weigh in numbers:
Lester Jean, he came in at 6'3" flat, weighing 211 pounds with 33" arms and the guy can fly on the field. Big time sleeper IMO and those numbers bode well for his draft stock. Hands aren't very big though.
-Chris Walker is short at 6'1" but he has 34.25" arms and 10" hands which are great numbers. Good frame.
-Joseph Barksdale with 35.5" arms? Jeesh, those would be some of the longest in the NFL, he came in a hair shy of 6'5" and he was closing in on 340 pounds. Could probably lose weight but man that is a good frame.

And despite their size I still like Winston Venable of Boise State and Brian Rolle of Ohio State. I like the way they play the game, despite being smaller they still go out there and make their impact felt. I think Rolle could start in the right situation (i.e. Tampa 2 WLB) and I think Venable is going to be a special teams demon.

Concerning Bruce Miller, I don't think it matters too much because he is projected to move to MLB.

underscore
01-18-2011, 02:13 PM
I don't know if I can link it, so I won't, but there's a review of today's practice sitting out there on Google News

regoob2
01-18-2011, 04:36 PM
Anyone know how Barksdale looks at that weight?

brasho
01-18-2011, 04:49 PM
I don't know if I can link it, so I won't, but there's a review of today's practice sitting out there on Google News

Is it on Rational Poot Tall Roast by Less Grunting?

HakeemtheMachine
01-18-2011, 04:51 PM
Here is a link to a chart of the actual height , weights,arm length "not rounded" i tried to copy and paste it and it didnt show up. Scroll down if U cant find it right away

http://boards.giants.com/forums/64/2062311/ShowThread.aspx#2062311

This is my draft thread on the Giants Message Board

brasho
01-18-2011, 05:00 PM
JUst read some news for on another site regarding the practices from the site that employs Bob Wang...I realize this is plagiarism but it ain't mine so sue me:

Nevada defensive end Dontay Moch was extremely productive as a pass rusher in college (42 tackles for loss, 15 sacks), but projects as a linebacker at the next level (checked in at only six-foot-one, 229 pounds in the morning's weigh-in). The athleticism he displayed in limited opportunities at linebacker for the Wolf Packer was evident again today. He looked like a defensive back during flip-your-hip drills and was very quick dropping into coverage during team scrimmages. He also took coaching well during practice.

Iamcanadian
01-19-2011, 12:23 PM
The guy with the most to gain is Marvin Austin who was the pro scouts concensus pre season ranked #1 DL. He sat out the whole year and it will be quite interesting to see where he ends up come draft day.

underscore
01-19-2011, 04:09 PM
Is it on Rational Poot Tall Roast by Less Grunting?

No...one of SI.com's guys whose had his own site for several years.

JPP90
01-19-2011, 09:57 PM
No surprise...Tyrod Taylor looking unimpressive in practices. Struggling with mechanics and accuracy.

Mr. Goosemahn
01-19-2011, 11:48 PM
I've been gearing some real good things on Joseph Barksdale.

Long arms, is supposedly carrying his weight well, and is looking great in pass protection.

Also read that so far, he's the guy who has improved his stock the most.

JPP90
01-20-2011, 12:01 AM
Depending on who you talk to, Enderle and Devlin have also impressed.

ThePudge
01-20-2011, 12:12 AM
Depending on who you talk to, Enderle and Devlin have also impressed.

And depending on who you talk to, Devlin has been very unimpressive. I've only seen one good review of his play so far. He doesn't appear to be standing out unfortunately.

JPP90
01-20-2011, 12:25 AM
And depending on who you talk to, Devlin has been very unimpressive. I've only seen one good review of his play so far. He doesn't appear to be standing out unfortunately.

Yeah hence my wording there Pudge...

brasho
01-20-2011, 11:58 AM
Depending on who you talk to, Enderle and Devlin have also impressed.

I've mostly seen pretty negative reports on him.

The one guy that I've read about more than once standing out is UCLA DT David Carter. Is he just that good of a practice player or what? The guy had something like 4-5 TFL this past season and 3.5 sacks and maybe 6-7 sacks his entire career (despite playing 3 of those seasons lined up next to TFL monster Brian Price)... I've found out very little about him as I pretty much skipped most UCLA games this season. Anybody have any info? 6'5 300... and that's it.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 02:49 AM
This game is in now in 12 hours...can't wait. Delone should make the Senior Bowl folks take notice...they really snubbed him for lesser backs. Can Tyrod make up for a putrid week of practice?

gpngc
01-22-2011, 02:50 AM
Cecil Shorts touchdowns: over/under 4.5

???

gpngc
01-22-2011, 02:53 AM
But seriously.

West -1? lol

Jerrod Johnson, Nathan Enderle, and Scott Tolzien

vs

Tyrod Taylor, Pat Devlin, and Ricky Dobbs

Hmmmmmmm

JPP90
01-22-2011, 03:07 AM
Well Taylor will turn it into a track meet. One of his big knocks this week is not going through any progressions...just tucking it and running too quickly. He's gonna end up at RB. Enderle and Devlin should have good games. Tolzien might. Dobbs...how in the hell did he make an all star game?

brat316
01-22-2011, 05:00 AM
Jerrod Johnson to WR with those massive arms.

Tyrod Taylor to Rb/WR.

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2011, 05:37 AM
Ricky Dobbs to....sailor?

SolidGold
01-22-2011, 11:32 AM
Jerrod Johnson to WR with those massive arms.

Tyrod Taylor to Rb/WR.

I doubt Jerrod Johnson gets drafted at all. I have heard nothing good about him this week during east-west shrine game practices. He has a noodle arm and cant really spin the ball even though he is like 6'5 250. He lost his starting job during the year. Nothing tells me he has the speed to play WR and I don't think he is physical enough to play TE.

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 02:52 PM
Arnold Palmers ready to go.

gpngc
01-22-2011, 02:53 PM
Which Side Should I Bet On!?

gpngc
01-22-2011, 03:05 PM
Cecil Shorts is going to own this game.

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 03:08 PM
Alright should be a fun game to watch.Who is everyone looking at for to make a big splash into today's game ?

HA that sucks for the West game.Scratch that HB down a bit.

D-Unit
01-22-2011, 03:20 PM
HA that sucks for the West game.Scratch that HB down a bit.

What happened? And who is that HB yo're talking about?

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 03:20 PM
I'm watching Moch all day, Carter looking good on that TD run.

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 03:23 PM
fml no blitzes nvm

gpngc
01-22-2011, 03:25 PM
Goooooooooooo EAST!

JPP90
01-22-2011, 03:26 PM
Delone is gonna be drafted a lot higher than most people think.

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 03:33 PM
What happened? And who is that HB yo're talking about?

Last name is Green on the west side.Though he has done a little better at protecting the ball. Both teams looking slow right now.But Taylor is so far looking good throwing the ball IMO . A smaller Vick .

gpngc
01-22-2011, 03:37 PM
Yea that's exactly what he's looked like. A smaller Michael Vick.

lolololololol

the_dark_knight
01-22-2011, 03:41 PM
97 Terrell McClain DT USF
49 Bruce Miller DE UCF

Two underrated guys from Florida on the DL, though Miller is probably an OLB in the pros.

It's funny to see Bruce getting talk. I went to college with his sister. In fact she dated my roommate for a while, hope he does well.

gpngc
01-22-2011, 03:41 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Shorts won't play.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 03:42 PM
Taylor had a horrible week of practice so he needs to make the game count. Scouts came away convinced he wasn't a natural passer and just more of a guy that looks to run and doesn't see the field well in the pocket due to his height. He killed any momentum he had going into the postseason.

ElectricEye
01-22-2011, 03:42 PM
This East line is getting **** on.

87Canes
01-22-2011, 03:42 PM
I hope Craig Cooper does well. He can be a good little/big scat back in the NFL. His injury last year really set him back...

ElectricEye
01-22-2011, 03:43 PM
I hope Craig Cooper does well. He can be a good little/big scat back in the NFL. His injury last year really set him back...

Nifty little return there.

bucfan12
01-22-2011, 03:45 PM
I think people are going to regret passing on Royster. Mayock said he doesn't have the 'look' of an NFL running back, but he has excellent vision and knows where the hole is and makes all the proper cuts. He could be a nice late round steal for some team needing a 2nd back.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
01-22-2011, 03:49 PM
Anyone on IRC? How does this work?

gpngc
01-22-2011, 03:49 PM
^He has no burst whatsoever.

And his speed isn't great either.

Does not look like an NFL-quality athlete.

I understand what you're saying about him being a good runner in terms of vision and patience but that doesn't matter if you aren't up to snuff athletically.

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 03:52 PM
Devine almost got him self killed with that scramble .

TACKLE
01-22-2011, 03:53 PM
Devine almost got him self killed with that scramble .

I think Devine would of been much more elusive on that run and might of scored.

ElectricEye
01-22-2011, 03:54 PM
This line really sucks.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 03:56 PM
I think Devine would of been much more elusive on that run and might of scored.

Lol...I thought we liked when QBs run?

ElectricEye
01-22-2011, 03:57 PM
Devlin good throw...then too late on the rollout.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 04:01 PM
I wonder if Scott Tolzien is considering a career change yet.

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 04:01 PM
Devlin looks pretty athletic, could be a decent player in the right system.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 04:05 PM
Ouch..Enderle.

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 04:08 PM
I wonder how well that long snapper on the West team , that kid who looks like he is 6'9" or something would do well in the NFL ? I would draft him in the late late rounds.

DcS
01-22-2011, 04:08 PM
Any thoughts on Ogbu so far this game? Looks to be playing pretty well.

Chidi29
01-22-2011, 04:09 PM
Ouch..Enderle.

What happened?

contento
01-22-2011, 04:15 PM
Andrew Jackson is money.





Puns!

ElectricEye
01-22-2011, 04:18 PM
Damn. Good throw by Enderle.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 04:18 PM
What happened?

Oh he's just not faring much better than Tolzien that's all

underscore
01-22-2011, 04:20 PM
Any thoughts on Ogbu so far this game? Looks to be playing pretty well.

Holding his own. He has a sack. He got pancaked on the first play of the game, but has done pretty well since.

I wonder how well that long snapper on the West team , that kid who looks like he is 6'9" or something would do well in the NFL ? I would draft him in the late late rounds.

The 6'10 OT from Canada that recovered the fumble for the safety?

ElectricEye
01-22-2011, 04:20 PM
Oh he's just not faring much better than Tolzien that's all

Little early there. Two straight good throws. Not a very good drive overall and he looks late like ever single quarterback has so far, but the TD and the two were great.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 04:23 PM
Little early there. Two straight good throws. Not a very good drive overall and he looks late like ever single quarterback has so far, but the TD and the two were great.

Lol yes premature

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 04:26 PM
Nathan Idaho kid is really playing well so far.Showing good accuracy and poise in the pocket .Still maybe a good 4th or late 3rd pick .

Chidi29
01-22-2011, 04:31 PM
Little early there. Two straight good throws. Not a very good drive overall and he looks late like ever single quarterback has so far, but the TD and the two were great.

Good. Thanks for an update.

ElectricEye
01-22-2011, 04:33 PM
That was a bad sequence. Should have been picked then screwed up on the dropback.

Matthew Jones
01-22-2011, 04:35 PM
Delone Carter beasted in the bowl game and looks great so far. Third rounder?

SchizophrenicBatman
01-22-2011, 04:37 PM
I just want to say that I hate the NFL Network. That is all

JPP90
01-22-2011, 04:43 PM
Delone Carter beasted in the bowl game and looks great so far. Third rounder?

Certainly wouldn't surprise me. He's better than a lot of the guys that most people automatically slot in that range.

Matthew Jones
01-22-2011, 04:46 PM
Enderle doesn't look very good mechanically and is making a lot of inaccurate throws. The touchdown was kind of impressive but I've seen way too many misses from him. That throw off the back foot on fourth and three was awful.

JaxJag_1
01-22-2011, 04:49 PM
Enderle doesn't look very good mechanically and is making a lot of inaccurate throws. The touchdown was kind of impressive but I've seen way too many misses from him. That throw off the back foot on fourth and three was awful.

He was stepped on by his OG. He had an excuse there.

Matthew Jones
01-22-2011, 04:52 PM
He was stepped on by his OG. He had an excuse there.

Ah, missed it. Internet stream isn't the best. Regardless, he's looked up and down at best, although I just started watching in the middle of the second quarter.

Chidi29
01-22-2011, 05:05 PM
How many highlights/game footage do you think will show up online? I'm mad they didn't show it on ESPN like I think they did last year. Will the Senior Bowl at least be on there?

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 05:20 PM
Enderle doesn't look very good mechanically and is making a lot of inaccurate throws. The touchdown was kind of impressive but I've seen way too many misses from him. That throw off the back foot on fourth and three was awful.
I agree, his mechanics have not been impressive. Austin has been pancaked a couple times and looks real rusty. Moch has impressed me standing up and has been reading pretty well. Greg Smith, TE Texas, has also impressed me. Really athletic for his size. Alex Green is having himself a nice game.

In comes Jerrod Johnson.

TitansCJftw
01-22-2011, 05:23 PM
Anybody got a link to this game?

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 05:23 PM
Johnson ,
Is looking pretty good so far . Quick release and descent arm maybe 5th round pick .

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 05:24 PM
Anybody got a link to this game?

Try ATDHE.net

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 05:25 PM
Johnson ,
Is looking pretty good so far . Quick release and descent arm maybe 5th round pick .
Really? I think his release is pretty poor. Doesn't get any zip on the ball either. I know some here are a fan of him, I am not one of them.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 05:26 PM
Too many damn QBs in these games. How do you properly evaluate them all when 2-3 play the majority of the game and Devlin and Johnson play so sparingly? Devlin has attempted 4 passes and was one of the better prospects at QB in the game...Tyrod Taylor and Dobbs are getting more time.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-22-2011, 05:27 PM
Too many damn QBs in these games. How do you properly evaluate them all when 2-3 play the majority of the game and Devlin and Johnson play so sparingly? Devlin has attempted 4 passes and was one of the better prospects at QB in the game...Tyrod Taylor and Dobbs are getting more time.

devlin fell to 2nd string behind tyrod in practice...that's all you need to know

JPP90
01-22-2011, 05:31 PM
devlin fell to 2nd string behind tyrod in practice...that's all you need to know

Lol I did not see one positive thing said about Tyrod all week. Not anything remotely positive.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-22-2011, 05:33 PM
LOL mayock just destroyed joseph barksdale

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 05:35 PM
Delvin just threw a bad ball and back to back picks now for each team .Darn horrible . Oh well . GO East team lol .Trattuao DE from Florida is having a nice game .Where do you guys see him going ?

SchizophrenicBatman
01-22-2011, 05:35 PM
this is the last game jerrod johnson will ever play at qb

not even the arena league wants this scrub

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 05:38 PM
this is the last game jerrod johnson will ever play at qb

not even the arena league wants this scrub
I agree, nothing about him says NFL to me.

Scott Wright
01-22-2011, 05:39 PM
this is the last game jerrod johnson will ever play at qb

not even the arena league wants this scrub

HARSH! :o)

87Canes
01-22-2011, 05:40 PM
I got the game on but I haven't been watching thanks to this blog. LOL

How's Marvin Austin done?

JPP90
01-22-2011, 05:41 PM
Well...I guess we know why Devlin and Johnson aren't playing much lol. Damn Devlin...I thought he'd show better than this.

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 05:43 PM
Well...I guess we know why Devlin and Johnson aren't playing much lol. Damn Devlin...I thought he'd show better than this.

Yea I'm with you JPP , I was hoping for production in all QB 's to see if they could hack the passing game in the NFL.But it purely sure doesn't look like it.I think most of these guys will either go un drafted or very late 5th or 6th round sadly.Hopefully the senior bowl QB's will show much better.Though I have been impressed with Boise State kids on defense .

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 05:43 PM
I got the game on but I haven't been watching thanks to this blog. LOL

How's Marvin Austin done?
Has not looked impressive. Plays too tall and has been on the ground a lot today. Rust is definitely there. 3rd rounder at best imo.

ElectricEye
01-22-2011, 05:46 PM
One thing to keep in mind with Devlin and Enderle is that these games are pretty much rigged against quarterbacks. Very rare you see that a quarterback comes into one of these post-season events and just straight up helps himself. It's not a fair situation for a pocket passer reliant on timing and chemistry to throw to a bunch of guys they really don't know. It's an interesting test to see how quick they build chemistry with guys around them, but what you should look out for is physical ability and mechanics. By the sounds of it, neither of them really stood out this week anyway, but still. Not entirely unexpected to see a tough game from a quarterback in a post season game. Only guy to truly light it up at one of these in recent memory was Phillip Rivers in the Senior Bowl.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 05:46 PM
Yea I'm with you JPP , I was hoping for production in all QB 's to see if they could hack the passing game in the NFL.But it purely sure doesn't look like it.I think most of these guys will either go un drafted or very late 5th or 6th round sadly.Hopefully the senior bowl QB's will show much better.Though I have been impressed with Boise State kids on defense .

It was pretty much Devlin/Enderle and everyone else, and Devlin and Enderle both disappointed. Sad when the most productive QBs are Tyrod Taylor and Ricky Dobbs.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-22-2011, 05:47 PM
i havent been able to watch much but the only guy who has stood out to me is the syracuse rb

kid is just more proof that you can shake a tree and find an NFL rb

SchizophrenicBatman
01-22-2011, 05:51 PM
mayock knows that sam mills is dead, right (RIP - one of my favorite players growing up)?

is the coach at this game sam mills III?

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 05:52 PM
i havent been able to watch much but the only guy who has stood out to me is the syracuse rb

kid is just more proof that you can shake a tree and find an NFL rb
He hasn't gained a ton of yards since his first carry but he has shown some real nice downfield toughness. One of the guys who really helped his stock this week. Alex Green looked pretty impressive as well.

A lot of the Boise guys have had nice games. Johnson looked very good in run support and Winterswyk looked pretty athletic out there as well.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 05:52 PM
i havent been able to watch much but the only guy who has stood out to me is the syracuse rb

kid is just more proof that you can shake a tree and find an NFL rb

You don't want Delone Carter carrying your load. He has a lot of tread of the tires already and has a history of injuries. His ideal placement is as a backup to a #1.

bucfan12
01-22-2011, 05:57 PM
It is very hard to judge QBs in these all star games. They have what, a few days to develop chemistry with WRs they've never worked with? They are also learning a playbook with in a short period of time. That is why I think some QBs decide to skip these all star games. Devlin may have had a shaky game, but he is a better prospect than this and is still a ton better than Dobbs or Taylor.

bucfan12
01-22-2011, 05:58 PM
Also I want to note the fact that Charlie Frye had an amazing Senior Bowl game a few years back and he never even made it as a back up in the NFL. Just so you know.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 06:00 PM
It is very hard to judge QBs in these all star games. They have what, a few days to develop chemistry with WRs they've never worked with? They are also learning a playbook with in a short period of time. That is why I think some QBs decide to skip these all star games. Devlin may have had a shaky game, but he is a better prospect than this and is still a ton better than Dobbs or Taylor.

Good points ....scouts don't care. They use it as a measuring stick

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 06:00 PM
Well this game is over with that touch down for the east game.The west just can't get any protection .All that speed from the sec players lol.I want to that Bhrum the Kicker from Auburn really sucks too.He seems to not hit anything short range .Hes only had two made FG .

JPP90
01-22-2011, 06:02 PM
Also I want to note the fact that Charlie Frye had an amazing Senior Bowl game a few years back and he never even made it as a back up in the NFL. Just so you know.

Brodie Croyle had a great Senior Bowl too. That worked out well. They also hyped Cadillac Williams into Walter Payton down there.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 06:03 PM
Lol...can't make any excuses to save Jerrod Johnson...he's just bad.

FUNBUNCHER
01-22-2011, 06:03 PM
Mayock commented that Marvin Austin stood out in Shrine bowl practices and was frequently unblockable one on one.

If any prospect helped their draft status, it was Austin IMO. He's probably going to have an impressive combine/pro day and solidify his late 2nd/3rd round status.

Not the same player on game days, but physically he's almost a clone of BJ Raji.

bucfan12
01-22-2011, 06:04 PM
Brodie Croyle had a great Senior Bowl too. That worked out well. They also hyped Cadillac Williams into Walter Payton down there.

True, however Caddalac Williams was on his way to being a stud until Gruden practically ran him into the ground his 1st two years and suffered 2 devastating knee injuries that brought him to a 3rd down back. It wasn't his talent, it was the injuries that hurt his career.

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 06:06 PM
Mayock commented that Marvin Austin stood out in Shrine bowl practices and was frequently unblockable one on one.

If any prospect helped their draft status, it was Austin IMO. He's probably going to have an impressive combine/pro day and solidify his late 2nd/3rd round status.

Not the same player on game days, but physically he's almost a clone of BJ Raji.
I wasn't impressed with him at all today, unless a team is really high on him I don't think he goes until the 3rd. He won't be getting too many 1 on 1 looks in the NFL either.

thenewfeature06
01-22-2011, 06:06 PM
Mayock commented that Marvin Austin stood out in Shrine bowl practices and was frequently unblockable one on one.

If any prospect helped their draft status, it was Austin IMO. He's probably going to have an impressive combine/pro day and solidify his late 2nd/3rd round status.

Not the same player on game days, but physically he's almost a clone of BJ Raji.

I think Raji is a true NT, Austin is quicker than that when he wants to be. His position would probably be a 4-3 DT.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-22-2011, 06:09 PM
Austin rarely stands out unless you look for him. He did manage to fall on a fumble in the end zone today

He isn't useless but I wouldn't go out of my way to draft him. If he's there in the 5th what the hell? But I wouldn't be the team that pops the 2nd/3rd on him

DaBrowns41
01-22-2011, 06:11 PM
Lol...can't make any excuses to save Jerrod Johnson...he's just bad.

It's that Ken Dorsey noodle.

703SKINS202
01-22-2011, 06:28 PM
It's that Ken Dorsey noodle.
Seriously, smh at Mayock saying he had a strong arm.

PossibleCabbage
01-22-2011, 06:36 PM
Not the same player on game days, but physically he's almost a clone of BJ Raji.

I'd really wait until the combine to say that. Raji's 1.69 10-yard split was astonishing for a man his size (compare, say Ron Brace's 1.88 and Terrence Cody's 1.95). That, and he's morphologically the perfect nose tackle... which is not a position I'd put Austin at.

underscore
01-22-2011, 07:24 PM
So, any obvious winners or losers today?

Buffalo M
01-22-2011, 07:30 PM
I'd like to say I saw several players show something but that was really a dull game with no standout performances.

I'll go with the practice reports for signs of ability.

ElectricEye
01-22-2011, 07:34 PM
Yeah, the game this year was exceptional dull. Some defensive line guys did some real nice thing but there was so much poor execution on offense that lead to that that it's really hard to care.

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2011, 07:39 PM
Scott and I updated our blogs with our thoughts:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/Senior-Bowl.php

Babylon
01-22-2011, 07:43 PM
Mayock commented that Marvin Austin stood out in Shrine bowl practices and was frequently unblockable one on one.

If any prospect helped their draft status, it was Austin IMO. He's probably going to have an impressive combine/pro day and solidify his late 2nd/3rd round status.

Not the same player on game days, but physically he's almost a clone of BJ Raji.

And while he was doing his little disertation on Austin he was being blocked on every snap. I'm going to go out on a short limb and say he cant hold B.J. Raji's jock, a lot of others too.

SolidGold
01-22-2011, 07:51 PM
How did Winterswyk and Moch look?

BeerBaron
01-22-2011, 07:57 PM
Scott and I updated our blogs with our thoughts:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/Senior-Bowl.php

Good write ups. I didn't get to watch the game being at work, but it sounds almost like Enderle is a Cutler-lite. Can make some real "WOW" throws and make up for bad play around him a bit, but is prone to inconsistency.

I'm still not sold on Marvin Austin...one game against "inferior" all stars (if there is such a thing) isn't going to sway my opinion of him just yet. It terrifies me that the Bears just may look in his direction in the first......sigh.

It doesn't sound like Devlin did much to help himself out either. He probably moves to the back of the middle tier of QBs then.

Midon
01-22-2011, 08:10 PM
Is TCU's Andy Dalton now considered a superior prospect to Devlin?

BeerBaron
01-22-2011, 08:13 PM
Is TCU's Andy Dalton now considered a superior prospect to Devlin?

For now, I'd say so. We'll see how he does in the upcoming Senior Bowl to be certain...if he does well, he could definitely move to the top of the 2nd tier of QBs behind the 4 at the top. If not, he'll be in the same boat as Devlin.

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2011, 08:14 PM
How did Winterswyk and Moch look?

Moch had trouble adjusting to LB from what I saw (though to be honest, the TV didn't show him much). Never even noticed Winterswyk...

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2011, 08:15 PM
And while he was doing his little disertation on Austin he was being blocked on every snap. I'm going to go out on a short limb and say he cant hold B.J. Raji's jock, a lot of others too.

They were double teaming Austin A LOT this game.

Jack203
01-22-2011, 09:39 PM
I missed the game. Did Tyrod Taylor and Nathan Enderle help/hurt/no affect, their current stock?

Legend234
01-22-2011, 10:23 PM
Did anyone notice the two canadians in the game? Anthony Parker was the receiver and Matt O'Donnel, the offensive tackle. How did they do?

JPP90
01-22-2011, 10:29 PM
I missed the game. Did Tyrod Taylor and Nathan Enderle help/hurt/no affect, their current stock?

Enderle and Taylor were both ok...probably the only things to come out of this game is that Jerrod Johnson assured scouts that he isn't an NFL QB and Delone Carter assured scouts that he's legit. Other than that pretty uneventful.

GoRavens
01-22-2011, 11:03 PM
- Nathan Enderle > Pat Devlin.. Devlin shouldn't even get drafted.
- Justin Rogers will be a small school stud. Great return man as well.
- Delone Carter will go in the first 3 rounds.
- Marvin Austin is a top 10 pick, pro bowl caliber.
- Will Hill pretty much screwed himself out of a first round selection. Not relevant, but his Twitter posts are epic. Big talent, little brain.

Chidi29
01-22-2011, 11:18 PM
Did anyone notice the two canadians in the game? Anthony Parker was the receiver and Matt O'Donnel, the offensive tackle. How did they do?

I only saw a little bit of O'Donnell, but he didn't struggle with leverage as much as I thought he would. And he held his own on the edge.

Having said that, I still fail to see how a guy who is just under 6'10 is going to get under the pad level of defenders on a consistent basis.

gpngc
01-23-2011, 12:04 AM
Austin either really has his head in the right place or is a fantastic actor.

He said he was brutally honest with scouts, admitted to his mistakes, and wants to move forward. He also said he doesn't really have any other issues (doesn't drink, etc.).

He's going high. Probably sometime in the second.

The year off won't hurt him much.

Quailman
01-23-2011, 03:36 AM
The Quarterbacks
-Not one of the quarterbacks should EVER start in the NFL.

The Defensive Tackles Dominated
The two most impressive from my POV were Ollie Ogbu and Martin Parker, they were quick, they got constant penetration, they disrupted the QB, they disrupted the run game, they got QB hits. These guys really impressed me. Other guys like Brandon Bair, Marvin Austin and David Carter had good games too.

Hard Charging Runningbacks:
Delone Carter is really good despite playing behind a very bad offensive line, Alex Green reminds me of Marshawn Lynch and Vai Taua is a hard running, straight line runner. Delone Carter reminds me of Michael Turner with his good balance, great build, very thick lower body, low center of gravity, did a good job of making one cut and charging upfield, good vision and he finishes his runs all while showing sneaky quickness. Alex Green runs HARD and I actually think he is better than he showed, he might have ball security issues but I liked him with the ball in his hands and he catches the ball well. Green was stuck behind a god awful offensive line but his running style, build, sneaky elusiveness and good hands really conjures up images of Lynch in my head. And Vai Taua is a guy who gets to top speed quickly, wastes no motion and doesn't dance. Da'Rel Scott is a sleeper but he didn't get many chances today.

Shiloh Keo
-I really felt like Shiloh Keo is a good player, he did everything today and he showed a ton of passion. He supported the run very well, was on special teams coverage, returned kicks and from what I saw he played well in coverage against terrible quarterbacks.

I wish there was more competent QB play so that I could've seen the receiver talent utilized, I was really interested in seeing Aldrick Robinson and Lester Jean compete.

Also I really like the three athletic tight ends that were there in Virgil Green, Julius Thomas and Cameron Jordan. I also liked the guys from Texas and Michigan State as well.

Also I didn't notice Doug Houge, anyone get a read on him?

Buffalo M
01-23-2011, 03:55 AM
Matt O'Donnel, the offensive tackle.
That 6-10 Tackle from Queens College got beat bad early with some edge rushes on the outside. Looked like he was barely getting out of his stance before his man blew by him. He struggled with the speed but improved a bit later.

regoob2
01-23-2011, 09:39 AM
They were double teaming Austin A LOT this game.
He was doubled every play I saw except for the one play he drove Jackson into the QB. Austin played great.

regoob2
01-23-2011, 09:54 AM
Good write ups. I didn't get to watch the game being at work, but it sounds almost like Enderle is a Cutler-lite. Can make some real "WOW" throws and make up for bad play around him a bit, but is prone to inconsistency.

I'm still not sold on Marvin Austin...one game against "inferior" all stars (if there is such a thing) isn't going to sway my opinion of him just yet. It terrifies me that the Bears just may look in his direction in the first......sigh.

It doesn't sound like Devlin did much to help himself out either. He probably moves to the back of the middle tier of QBs then.
Austin was a team captain for the game and seemed like a very like-able guy. I have us taking Austin in the 2nd and he looked great. A lot of power and athleticism.

703SKINS202
01-23-2011, 12:01 PM
Austin was doubled a lot but still I don't get the praise for him, he was on his ass all day basically.

Scott, what did you see from Cooper that impressed you? I thought he played pretty poor, has that jitter quality at the line and second level that I don't think scouts will like and didn't really show any burst.

Enderle looked pretty sloppy to me. He had that nice TD pass and 2 point conversion but overall his footwork was bad as he was throwing off his back foot and not getting his feet set a lot. The West's offensive line was atrocious though.

What do you think of Winterswyk? He impressed me a lot and another guy who caught my eye speaking of TE's was Greg Smith. He had impressive athleticism for his size and made a really nice adjustment in the air on one catch from Taylor.

Dontay Moch also was pretty impressive dropping back, surprised he was only 229 though.

brasho
01-23-2011, 01:17 PM
How did Winterswyk and Moch look?

Moch looked good in the open field, with his movement and speed and ability to avoid cut blocks but on numerous occasions he got pinned inside by the TE blocking him one-on-one and allowed the RB to get outside of him. He probably could project to Sam in the 4-3 but he has to do a better job of maintaining outside leverage.