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gpngc
01-18-2011, 05:45 PM
*Tell me why it's a bad pick.

Good reasons: GM drafting tendencies, scheme, recent games of that player suggest he's not actually a top-100 pick (you should only use this reason if you've seen the guy play).

Bad reasons: you don't like the player, that's not our biggest need, there's "no way" he'll go that high, _____ plz.

Round 1

1. Carolina (2-14): Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
2. Denver (4-12): Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
3. Buffalo (4-12): Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
4. Cincinnati (4-12): Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
5. Arizona (5-11): Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
6. Cleveland (5-11): A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
7. San Francisco (6-10): Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
8. Tennessee (6-10): Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
9. Dallas (6-10): Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
10. Washington (6-10): Jake Locker, QB, Washington
11. Houston (6-10): Robert Quinn, DE/LB, North Carolina
12. Minnesota (6-10): Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA
13. Detroit (6-10): Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
14. St. Louis (7-9): Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
15. Miami (7-9): Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois
16. Jacksonville (8-8): Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
17. New England - from Oakland (8-8): Nate Solder, OT, Purdue
18. San Diego (9-7): Cameron Jordan, DE, Cal
19. New York Giants (10-6): Tyron Smith, OT, USC
20. Tampa Bay (10-6): Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
21. Kansas City* (10-6): Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
22. Indianapolis* (10-6): Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
23. Philadelphia* (10-6): Brandon Harris, CB, Miami Fl.
24. New Orleans* (11-5): Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
25. Seattle* (7-9): Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
26. Baltimore* (12-4): Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
27. Atlanta* (13-3): Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
28. New England* (14-2): Brandon Burton, CB, Utah
29. Green Bay* (10-6): Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
30. New York Jets* (11-5): J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
31. Chicago* (11-5): Jason Pinkston, OT, Pittsburgh
32. Pittsburgh* (12-4) : Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State

Round 2

1. New England - from Carolina (2-14): Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa
2. Buffalo (4-12): Benjamin Ijalana, OL, Villanova
3. Cincinnati (4-12): Ahmad Black, S, Florida
4. Denver (4-12): Martez Wilson, ILB, Illinois
5. Cleveland (5-11): Bruce Carter, OLB, North Carolina
6. Arizona (5-11): Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
7. Tennessee (6-10): Quinton Carter, S, Oklahoma
8. Dallas (6-10): Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
9. Washington (6-10): Jurrell Casey, DT, USC
10. Houston (6-10): Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
11. Minnesota (6-10): Rahim Moore, S, UCLA
12. Detroit (6-10): Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia
13. San Francisco (6-10): Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
14. Denver - from Miami (7-9): Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple
15. St. Louis (7-9): Drake Nevis, DT, LSU
16. Oakland (8-8): Stefen Wisiniewski, C, Penn State
17. Jacksonville (8-8): Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
18. San Diego (9-7): Jerrel Jernigan, WR, Troy
19. Tampa Bay (10-6): Quan Sturdivant, LB, North Carolina
20. New York Giants (10-6): Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State
21. Indianapolis* (10-6): Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
22. Philadelphia* (10-6): DeMarcus Love, OT, Arkansas
23. Kansas City* (10-6): Vincent Brown, WR, San Diego State
24. New Orleans* (11-5): Jabaal Sheard, DE, Pittsburgh
25. Seattle* (7-9): Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
26. Baltimore* (12-4): Randall Cobb, WR, Kentucky
27. Atlanta* (13-3): D.J. Williams, TE, Arkansas
28. New England* (14-2): Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College
29. Green Bay* (10-6): Jacquizz Rodgers, RB/KR, Oregon State
30. San Diego - from New York Jets* (11-5): Colin McCarthy, ILB, Miami Fl.
31. Chicago* (11-5): Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
32. Pittsburgh* (12-4): Mike Pouncey, OL, Florida

Round 3

1. Carolina (2-14): Marcus Cannon, OG, TCU
2. Cincinnati (4-12): Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
3. Denver (4-12): Luke Stocker, TE, Tennessee
4. Buffalo (4-12): Pernell McPhee, DE, Mississippi State
5. Arizona (5-11): Jeremy Beal, OLB, Oklahoma
6. Cleveland (5-11): Kelvin Sheppard, ILB, LSU
7. Dallas (6-10): Orlando Franklin, OG, Miami Fl.
8. New Orleans - from Washington (6-10): Rodney Hudson, OG, Florida State
9. Houston (6-10): Tyler Sash, S, Iowa
10. New England - from Minnesota (6-10): Cecil Shorts III, WR, Mount Union
11. Detroit (6-10): Kristofer O'Dowd, C, USC
12. San Francisco (6-10): Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor
13. Tennessee (6-10): Mason Foster, LB, Washington
14. St. Louis (7-9): Dontay Moch, LB, Nevada
15. Miami (7-9): John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin
16. Jacksonville (8-8): Sam Acho, DE, Texas
17. Oakland (8-8): Jarvis Jenkins, DT, Clemson
18. San Diego (9-7): DeAndre McDaniel, S, Clemson
19. New York Giants (10-6): DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma
20. Tampa Bay (10-6): Johnny Patrick, CB, Louisville
21. Philadelphia* (10-6): Lawrence Wilson, LB, Connecticut
22. Kansas City* (10-6): Danny Watkins, OT, Baylor
23. Indianapolis* (10-6): Ryan Williams, RB, Virginia Tech
24. New Orleans* (11-5): Kenrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
25. San Diego - from Seattle* (7-9): Tandon Doss, WR, Indiana
26. Baltimore* (12-4): Daniel Thomas, RB, Kansas State
27. Atlanta* (13-3): Dwayne Harris, WR, ECU
28. New England* (14-2): K.J. Wright, OLB, Mississippi State
29. Green Bay* (10-6): Chris Rucker, CB, Michigan State
30. New York Jets* (11-5): Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida
31. Chicago* (11-5): Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
32. Pittsburgh* (12-4): Chimdi Chekwa, CB, Ohio State

steelersfan2011
01-18-2011, 05:58 PM
I agree that Mike Pouncey drops below the first round because of the play of Florida and Mike himself. I also agree that somehow Mike will end up with the Steelers.

49erNation85
01-18-2011, 06:06 PM
Grr at the Gabbert pick Locker instead please!! Since he drops 3 picks down.But your other two picks are fine except we don't need a DT but always good to have depth .

diabsoule
01-18-2011, 06:08 PM
I love the Paea pick for the Saints in the first. He fills a huge need opposite Sed Ellis.

2nd round - I'm not in love with the Sheard pick. I feel that there is better talent on the board that fit Gregg Williams scheme better. Jeremy Beal and Pernell McPhee seem to fit the scheme better, although, if you have watched the Saints play this year you would see that OLB needs to be addressed if round 2 if the value is there. Mason Foster would be the ideal pick in the 2nd if he's on the board as he possesses all of the skills that the Saints and their coaching staff covet. He would be an ideal SAM in our defensive scheme.

3rd - If we go Beal or McPhee in the 2nd and Foster with our first pick in the third then I would like to see Casey Matthews or Bruce Carter with our 2nd pick in the 3rd round. We have adequate depth along the defensive line and don't need another DT especially if we draft one in the first. We would more than likely try to get another LB or a RB at that spot.
It's very likely that we will re-sign Carl Nicks and while we could use depth along the OL, I doubt we go for depth in the 3rd with so many holes that we need to fill on defense.

JaxJag_1
01-18-2011, 06:14 PM
Jaguar GM Gene Smith will NEVER take a WR in the 1st round. Gene is a BAP guy and I have a seriously difficult time any WR would be atop our board at 16 unless it was AJ Green.

Gene won't take Johnny Patrick because he's been arrested and charged. GM Gene avoids those guys.

Sam Acho isn't likely either. Good football player, high character guy, but he doesn't smell like a GM Gene pick.

Master Exploder
01-18-2011, 06:16 PM
This is a pretty unique draft.

I absolutely LOVE Ryan Kerrigan to Atlanta in the 1st and D.J. Williams in the 2nd!

I have to admit, I don't know too much about Dwayne Harris from ECU though, but you definitely targeted our needs pretty early.

jCut
01-18-2011, 06:20 PM
Great first two rounds for Denver. I don't like the Stocker pick, however. John Fox never spent early round picks on a TE and I definitely don't see him using one on a guy like Luke Stocker. Phil Taylor, Danny Watkins, DeAndre McDaniel, Curtis Brown or even Daniel Thomas would be perfect there.

gpngc
01-18-2011, 06:20 PM
Jaguar GM Gene Smith will NEVER take a WR in the 1st round. Gene is a BAP guy and I have a seriously difficult time any WR would be atop our board at 16 unless it was AJ Green.

Gene won't take Johnny Patrick because he's been arrested and charged. GM Gene avoids those guys.

Sam Acho isn't likely either. Good football player, high character guy, but he doesn't smell like a GM Gene pick.

Johnny Patrick point taken.

Acho point = ? Size?

I just don't think Jacksonville will pass on Jones if he's there at #16. They won't re-sign MSW and have very little behind Thomas (Dillard hasn't done squat in 2 years).

I understand the WR point but the fact is Jones is one of the few impact players in this draft and the Jags need a difference-maker. You say Smith is a BPA guy and a case can definitely be made that Jones is the BPA on the board at that spot.

Please name some guys you'd prefer...

Possibilities I have for Jacksonville are:
S (no first rounders)
DE
CB (no 3rd CB has stepped up, Smith looks like a C2 guy)
QB (none will be left)
WR

GB12
01-18-2011, 06:21 PM
Bad first round. We don't need any DL at any point in the draft, and sure as hell not in the first. Jenkins-Raji-Pickett is one of the best starting lines in the league. Behind them we have Mike Neal, who we just took in the second round last year, coming back from IR. He looks like he can be a very solid rotational player. We also have Johnny Jolly coming back if he stayed in shape, and he was a good starter for us last year. Besides those two, the bench that we actually had this year has played well. Howard Green has been a nice midseason addition as a back up NT, and both CJ Wilson and Jairus Wynn are worthy of a roster spot. We don't have room for another DL, we'll have to cut one or two of those guys already.

I like Jacquizz a lot, so I'm fine with that pick even though I think we can wait until the 3rd or 4th for a RB.

Getting a corner is good, but that's a big reach for Rucker. I'd rather have Chekwa, among others.

gpngc
01-18-2011, 06:21 PM
LOL I'm missing A.J. Green. Yikes. EDIT coming.

thebow305
01-18-2011, 06:26 PM
I actually really like LeShoure and Moffitt as players, so I wouldn't be upset at all. But I do feel that we would be reaching a little with both of them. I just feel like we would be missing out on a ton of more talented players if we take these two that high. LeShoure obviously would be a realistic option if all the QB's are gone as well as Mark Ingram. That would be my absolute worst case scenario, so in that case I would prefer to add more firepower at WR and grab Julio, who's still hangin around. Then take my chance with a talented back like DeMarco Murray in the 3rd and grab a guard in Round 4 or 5. This is more along the lines of BPA rather than jumping all over players because we panic and have to fill some needs.

Pat Sims 90
01-18-2011, 07:32 PM
Dareus is not a good fit for the Bengals. AJ Green there or PP.


Black is fine in the 2nd but would rather see them adress the OL in the 2nd

gpngc
01-18-2011, 07:33 PM
Dareus is not a good fit for the Bengals. AJ Green there or PP.


Black is fine in the 2nd but would rather see them adress the OL in the 2nd

Why is he not a good fit?

Pat Sims 90
01-18-2011, 07:40 PM
Why is he not a good fit?

Because he is better suited for 3-4 and they already have a lot young 4-3 UT in Sims, Atkins, and McDonald they also still have Tank Johnson. They are set at NT with Peko also. If they go DL in the 1st it will prolly be a DE. But i figure they will target a WR in the 1st

senormysterioso
01-18-2011, 07:54 PM
I like Bowers a ton more in the 4-3, but he's a good football player and he could find a spot on a 3-4. I think Cincy at 4 is the absolute furthest that AJ will drop unless he has a terrible showing at the combine/pro days. Ingram to St. Louis is a pretty confusing pick to me. Jackson still has good years left, Julio Jones to St. Louis seems like a slam dunk to me.


I like what you have for the Packers though, I'm VERY high on Carimi. I personally think he's better than Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe were as prospects. Not at the level of say Joe Thomas or Jake Long but a steal at the end of the first. Quiz would give us some explosiveness that we've lacked in the return game. We might even need a WR if we let James Jones walk.

prock
01-18-2011, 07:55 PM
I would be really mad if we took Ayers, but Moore would be fine.

gpngc
01-18-2011, 08:00 PM
^#12 is a difficult pick to mock.

This draft class sucks.

gpngc
01-18-2011, 08:08 PM
I like Bowers a ton more in the 4-3, but he's a good football player and he could find a spot on a 3-4. I think Cincy at 4 is the absolute furthest that AJ will drop unless he has a terrible showing at the combine/pro days. Ingram to St. Louis is a pretty confusing pick to me. Jackson still has good years left, Julio Jones to St. Louis seems like a slam dunk to me.


I like what you have for the Packers though, I'm VERY high on Carimi. I personally think he's better than Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe were as prospects. Not at the level of say Joe Thomas or Jake Long but a steal at the end of the first. Quiz would give us some explosiveness that we've lacked in the return game. We might even need a WR if we let James Jones walk.

The Broncos are moving to a 4-3.

Ingram to the Rams for three reasons:
1) He's one of the best players on the board at that time.
2) Running backs decline abruptly and unexpectedly. SJax has a lot of mileage on his tires.
3) The team lacks a 3rd down back (Ingram is solid in the pass pro) and a 1b RB (Darby's a free agent I think and even if he's not, Ingram's clearly an upgrade). It's a two-back league.

But now that they just hired McDaniels (found out AFTER I made this mock), I guess it's less likely.

Still, the draft isn't about plugging in your "biggest needs" - it's about building for the future. Ingram would be a nice building block.

senormysterioso
01-18-2011, 08:15 PM
The Broncos are moving to a 4-3.

Ingram to the Rams for three reasons:
1) He's one of the best players on the board at that time.
2) Running backs decline abruptly and unexpectedly. SJax has a lot of mileage on his tires.
3) The team lacks a 3rd down back (Ingram is solid in the pass pro) and a 1b RB (Darby's a free agent I think and even if he's not, Ingram's clearly an upgrade). It's a two-back league.

But now that they just hired McDaniels (found out AFTER I made this mock), I guess it's less likely.

Still, the draft isn't about plugging in your "biggest needs" - it's about building for the future. Ingram would be a nice building block.

Really? I hadn't heard that about the Broncos moving to a 4-3, in that case Bowers does make a ton of sense.

crites09
01-18-2011, 08:23 PM
I don't mind your Bengals, I don't like Dareus personally but could see it happening. We need to address Oline in first 3 rounds as well...

JaxJag_1
01-18-2011, 08:36 PM
Johnny Patrick point taken.

Acho point = ? Size?

I just don't think Jacksonville will pass on Jones if he's there at #16. They won't re-sign MSW and have very little behind Thomas (Dillard hasn't done squat in 2 years).

I understand the WR point but the fact is Jones is one of the few impact players in this draft and the Jags need a difference-maker. You say Smith is a BPA guy and a case can definitely be made that Jones is the BPA on the board at that spot.

Please name some guys you'd prefer...

Possibilities I have for Jacksonville are:
S (no first rounders)
DE
CB (no 3rd CB has stepped up, Smith looks like a C2 guy)
QB (none will be left)
WR

We need those positions, but Gene won't draft for just need. I highly doubt we stay at 16, but if we do I think Penn State C Stefen Wisniewski is a candidate.

Acho doesn't smell like a GM Gene guy, just my got feel. That's all.

Regarding the WR's, Mike Thomas is a great up and comer, Dillard when he's been healthy has made plays in pre-season games and a few great highlight reel plays his rookie year in 2009. You're also leaving out Jason Hill who burst onto the scene when we claimed him off waivers in November. We'll address the position in the draft, but knowing Gene the way I do there's no way a WR will be atop the board at 16 unless it's an elite Andre Johnson guy.

We do have a 3rd (nickel) CB, William Middleton. And Smith? Do you mean Cox, as in Derek Cox. Derek Cox is an excellent RCB (#2 CB) for the now and future.

gpngc
01-18-2011, 08:50 PM
I don't mind your Bengals, I don't like Dareus personally but could see it happening. We need to address Oline in first 3 rounds as well...

They need to improve the pass rush. Dareus accomplishes that from the interior.

None of those other DTs are in the same class as Dareus in terms of getting after the QB.

I just don't buy the Bengals taking a WR at #4. They just spent a high pick on Gresham last year and have two nice young pieces in Shipley and Simpson (and Caldwell's not terrible in the slot). And that's without considering 85, who is probably on his way out but is still under contract right now...

And I just think they're going to try to establish the run and play D better (what got them to the playoffs in 09) given how horrible their passing game (QB, pass pro, vet receivers) was this season.

derza222
01-18-2011, 08:55 PM
I definitely think Watt to the Jets in the first round is a solid pick. Gilbert definitely makes sense as the RT of the future, particularly with Woody's injuries. Only thing that would cause that to make less sense is if Wayne Hunter continues to be solid in his absence. I still think protecting the investment that they made in Sanchez, whether people think he's good or not, makes sense so going with a RT early seems like a logical direction to go in.

Pat Sims 90
01-18-2011, 08:59 PM
They need to improve the pass rush. Dareus accomplishes that from the interior.

None of those other DTs are in the same class as Dareus in terms of getting after the QB.

I just don't buy the Bengals taking a WR at #4. They just spent a high pick on Gresham last year and have two nice young pieces in Shipley and Simpson (and Caldwell's not terrible in the slot). And that's without considering 85, who is probably on his way out but is still under contract right now...

And I just think they're going to try to establish the run and play D better (what got them to the playoffs in 09) given how horrible their passing game (QB, pass pro, vet receivers) was this season.

Shipley is strickly a slot guy will never be more then that. Simpson and Caldwell are #2 WRs and Ochocinco is done is Cincy they may still have him under contract but he does not want to be here and does not want to play for Marvin anymore so i could see them realaseing him or trading him plus he not half the WR he use to be and he gives up on plays alot. The Bengals dont have a true threat WR on this roster and no true #1 WR. They want to give Carson a full year with young WRs that dont give up on plays.

T-RICH49
01-18-2011, 09:24 PM
why Brown over Baldwin for KC?curious

gpngc
01-18-2011, 09:37 PM
^Donnie Avery over DeSean Jackson, Jordy Nelson first WR off the board, etc.

There are ALWAYS head-scratchers on draft day - especially at WR for some reason.

Baldwin's arrow is pointing down also - he may not have the quickness to consistently get separation at the NFL level. I was tempted to mock him out of the first three rounds but gave in to public perception (preparing to publish this mock on a website so I'm sacrificing going out on a limb for possible accuracy for pleasing readers).

Brown's a kid who a lot of people are high on. He's got NFL size/speed and the production/film to back it up. I expect his stock to rise.

Nalej
01-18-2011, 10:03 PM
I'm not a fan of the Pats mock. You obviously know the positions of need for the team but addressed them in the wrong order.

N.Solder- I like the pick as far as the player but I highly doubt the Pats go OL with their first pick. If Nick K returns from injury well then he'll be our RT with Vollmer moved to the left side. We need interior line help at both C and RG (hopefully we resign Mankin). The Pats biggest issue as a TEAM is pass rush and with the 2nd best OLB prospect available (R.Kerrigan), he'd be a much better pick there. Take an interior lineman with the next pick.

B.Burton- Terrible pick. When L.Bodden returns next year, we have him, Arrington, Wilhite, Butler and McCourty already on the squad. Where exactly would another CB fit? The secondary only looks bad because the Pats can't generate any pass rush and the QBs get 5+ seconds to throw the ball. Improving the pass rush will simultaneously improve the secondary play.
JJ Watt would be a steal here.

C.Ballard- Great pick. A bit early but that's never bothered BB. If Watt is the previous pick though then Ijalana or Wisneiski would be nice guys to have here.

Hertz- He projects as an ILB in our scheme and the Pats are set there. Also, he's much to light for the OLBs BB likes on his outside. 260+ is what he looks for. The Pats need a C to replace Koppen who can't block anyone anymore. K.O'dowd, if cleared medically, would be great value here. Could start from day one.

C3- Another project WR. While I can see the pick due to BBs recent history (Tate, Price), those two players are still projects. I'd hate to see a third project added to the mix. My personal feelings on it (which do not effect BB's drafting strategy obviously) is that if the Pats don't come away with Green/Jones then they'll look at FA/trades for another WR. I could see Gilbert RT taking here. He has the Florida connection BB oh so loves.

Wright... don't know much about him but I'm all for improving the Pass rush and not putting all our eggs onto one player (Kerrigan) so I like it.

My re-mock:

Kerrigan OLB
JJ Watt DE
Wisneiski RG
K.Odowd C
M.Gilbert RT
KJ Wright OLB



Good job on the 3 rdr

vidae
01-18-2011, 10:33 PM
why Brown over Baldwin for KC?curious

Was gunna say this. Baldwin > Brown, but great KC mock other than that.

gpngc
01-18-2011, 10:35 PM
I'm not a fan of the Pats mock. You obviously know the positions of need for the team but addressed them in the wrong order.

N.Solder- I like the pick as far as the player but I highly doubt the Pats go OL with their first pick. If Nick K returns from injury well then he'll be our RT with Vollmer moved to the left side. We need interior line help at both C and RG (hopefully we resign Mankin). The Pats biggest issue as a TEAM is pass rush and with the 2nd best OLB prospect available (R.Kerrigan), he'd be a much better pick there. Take an interior lineman with the next pick.

B.Burton- Terrible pick. When L.Bodden returns next year, we have him, Arrington, Wilhite, Butler and McCourty already on the squad. Where exactly would another CB fit? The secondary only looks bad because the Pats can't generate any pass rush and the QBs get 5+ seconds to throw the ball. Improving the pass rush will simultaneously improve the secondary play.
JJ Watt would be a steal here.

C.Ballard- Great pick. A bit early but that's never bothered BB. If Watt is the previous pick though then Ijalana or Wisneiski would be nice guys to have here.

Hertz- He projects as an ILB in our scheme and the Pats are set there. Also, he's much to light for the OLBs BB likes on his outside. 260+ is what he looks for. The Pats need a C to replace Koppen who can't block anyone anymore. K.O'dowd, if cleared medically, would be great value here. Could start from day one.

C3- Another project WR. While I can see the pick due to BBs recent history (Tate, Price), those two players are still projects. I'd hate to see a third project added to the mix. My personal feelings on it (which do not effect BB's drafting strategy obviously) is that if the Pats don't come away with Green/Jones then they'll look at FA/trades for another WR. I could see Gilbert RT taking here. He has the Florida connection BB oh so loves.

Wright... don't know much about him but I'm all for improving the Pass rush and not putting all our eggs onto one player (Kerrigan) so I like it.

My re-mock:

Kerrigan OLB
JJ Watt DE
Wisneiski RG
K.Odowd C
M.Gilbert RT
KJ Wright OLB



Good job on the 3 rdr

Thanks for the response.

C3 is my Gronkowski this year.

He's going to be awesome.

akvikefan89
01-18-2011, 10:37 PM
That's a sucky situation for the Vikings in round 1. None of the big 4 QBs, and neither of the top 2 CBs. Picking Ayers would really seem like overkill on LBs as we have Henderson and Greenway making a great tandem already. I would probably lean towards and OT (Tyron Smith?) or a DE if Ray Edwards leaves.


EDIT: Moore in the 2nd round is superb, though. We need a safety badly, and getting the best prospect in the class in round 2 is perfect.

gpngc
01-18-2011, 10:50 PM
That's a sucky situation for the Vikings in round 1. None of the big 4 QBs, and neither of the top 2 CBs. Picking Ayers would really seem like overkill on LBs as we have Henderson and Greenway making a great tandem already. I would probably lean towards and OT (Tyron Smith?) or a DE if Ray Edwards leaves.


EDIT: Moore in the 2nd round is superb, though. We need a safety badly, and getting the best prospect in the class in round 2 is perfect.

Greenway and Leber are both free agents I believe.

akvikefan89
01-18-2011, 11:18 PM
Greenway and Leber are both free agents I believe.

Yes, but most people feel pretty certain that Greenway is coming back. The Vikings really can't afford to let a young stud like him walk, and he's made it clear he wants to be back. If he did unexpectedly leave, I'd be down with a LB in round 1, but I highly doubt it happens.


Leber is indeed a FA as well, but most Vikings fans are fine with him leaving. He's aging and his play has declined. Should not be difficult to replace. That's where the 1st round pick would be overkill...

MNRunLeft
01-18-2011, 11:28 PM
If the draft went down like this I think the Vikings might lean towards a versatile d lineman like cam jordan. I also think they would love to see Wisniewski or Pouncey there in round 2 center was the weakest position on the Vikings oline last season.

billsfootball15
01-19-2011, 12:10 AM
ok so Cam Newton at 3 is high but certainly not out of the question. Trust me I dont think Fitz is the answer or the long term solution by any stretch of the imagination, however he is not a bad stop gap and I certainly would have no problem drafting a QB to come in and study behind him ala carson palmer. Also i totally understand Gailey's love for mobile QBs as that is pretty well documented. So while I dont love the pick and think Dareus would be a better choice im certainly not against Newton, he just better show up this offseason and show how good he really is because the Natl Championship didnt quite convince me.

Round 2 is where it gets interesting tho…I have serious doubts about Ijalanas ability to translate as an OT in the NFL which is the position along the offensive line we would need to address. The interior is set with two young guards with Levitre and Wood who are certainly here to stay and then we have Hangartner who has been fine at center. Tackle is where help is needed…no more Cornell Green, ever! Maybe some people see something different in Ijalana but i see him as a guard in the NFL which would not be a position we need to worry about.

Mr. Goosemahn
01-19-2011, 12:17 AM
For Pittsburgh, switch OT Derek Sherrod for either CB Jimmy Smith or DE Adrian Clayborn in the first.

Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert draft a combination of BPA and need, inclined more towards BPA. Jimmy Smith at CB and Adrian Clayborn at DE are better prospects than Sherrod at OT, IMO, and even though it might not seem like it, OT is actually the position where we have the most depth for next season (barring injuries and retirements) out of those 3.

Starks and Colon will be back, which probably means that Adams will be our backup tackle, maybe Jonathan Scott too. We don't really have a #2 CB, as McFadden has struggled and William *** doesn't appear to have what it takes to be a starter. And after Keisel and Hood, we have nobody at DE, and I think Aaron Smith will retire after this season.

Second round pick is perfect, and I can deal with the third pick too.

Good stuff though.

Bald_81
01-19-2011, 12:42 AM
The Rams could very well pass on Julio Jones, but if they did it would not be to take Mark Ingram. It is not an insult to Ingram at all -- I just believe since we already have Steven Jackson, if we did decide to pass on Julio it would be to address DT/DE. I know this is something you don't want to hear (bad reasoning), but it's simply the truth. There is no doubt a need to find a compliment to Jackson because we have CRAP behind him and he is turning 28 but that wouldn't be pertinent in the first and I feel we're going to definitely address it in the second or third.

Besides that, it's solid. I like Nevis for us in the second and Moch is intriguing however given our scheme I believe Spags and Co. will adress OLB with free agency because he has shown with both the Giants and Rams the ability to find "lesser" guys suited for his defense and just plug them in.

islandboy843
01-19-2011, 02:19 AM
Foster in the 3rd round jizzzzzzzzz

Matthew Jones
01-19-2011, 08:50 AM
Nate Solder is a solid pick to start the draft off with, and I could see something like that happening, but New England has shown they will draft defensive linemen high (Seymour 1st, Warren 1st, Wilfork 1st, Hill 2nd, Brace 2nd, etc.) and this is a year where I expect that to happen. Cameron Heyward is a good fit for the Patriots' M.O. (they like seniors, team captains, players with lots of experience, versatility, high character) and can occupy multiple blockers.

Patriots have said they don't really like tall cornerbacks because then they're not as quick or fluid, so Brandon Burton doesn't really make sense there. The Patriots have Devin McCourty as a strong #1 corner, and Leigh Bodden returning from injury and coming off of a big contract extension to man the other starting spot. Kyle Arrington was very solid this year for the most part and should be great in the slot role (which Wilhite did a pretty good job with this year.)

Christian Ballard and Herzlich are weird fits too. Ballard would probably be the sub package under tackle in New England, which is on the field for a good chunk of the game but probably isn't worth taking that high. Ballard isn't really a two-gap run defender, he offers all of his value in rushing the passer and doesn't have a place in the team's base defense. Herzlich is a decent blitzer, but projects as being too similar to Rob Ninkovich - the Patriots are probably going to look for someone to make a much bigger impact there.

Basedon what I know of the team's draft tendencies, in each situation I'd project these picks:

1. DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio St.
1. C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn St.
2. WR Jerrel Jernigan, Troy
2. OG Mike Pouncey, Florida
3. LB Sam Acho, Texas
3. OT Marcus Gilbert, Florida

crites09
01-19-2011, 09:21 AM
They need to improve the pass rush. Dareus accomplishes that from the interior.

None of those other DTs are in the same class as Dareus in terms of getting after the QB.

I just don't buy the Bengals taking a WR at #4. They just spent a high pick on Gresham last year and have two nice young pieces in Shipley and Simpson (and Caldwell's not terrible in the slot). And that's without considering 85, who is probably on his way out but is still under contract right now...

And I just think they're going to try to establish the run and play D better (what got them to the playoffs in 09) given how horrible their passing game (QB, pass pro, vet receivers) was this season.


Yea Dareus seems nice on paper, but later on in the season when all the young guys got in the line up thats when we started getting pressure.... Dunlap got most of his sacks lining up at DT... Dunlap and Geno Atkins at DT on passing downs was consistently getting pressure if not sacking the QB at least knocking them down and rushing throws.

And I agree with Shipley is strictly a slot wr and Caldwell is a rotational guy at best Simpson is still really an unknown... I mean he had 2 good games but does he hold up for a whole season? Can he produce at the high level he was producing at the whole time? So while you may not think Bengals will go AJ Green @ 4 because they don't take WR's in the first round, well they didn't take TE's in the first round either but they took the BPA that fit a need... WR is a big need and AJ Green is by far the BPA

tfry
01-19-2011, 10:30 AM
The Rams could very well pass on Julio Jones, but if they did it would not be to take Mark Ingram. It is not an insult to Ingram at all -- I just believe since we already have Steven Jackson, if we did decide to pass on Julio it would be to address DT/DE. I know this is something you don't want to hear (bad reasoning), but it's simply the truth. There is no doubt a need to find a compliment to Jackson because we have CRAP behind him and he is turning 28 but that wouldn't be pertinent in the first and I feel we're going to definitely address it in the second or third.

Besides that, it's solid. I like Nevis for us in the second and Moch is intriguing however given our scheme I believe Spags and Co. will adress OLB with free agency because he has shown with both the Giants and Rams the ability to find "lesser" guys suited for his defense and just plug them in.

I agree with this for the most part. The Rams simply don't have the luxury of drafting a RB in round 1 as a backup. We need immediate impact players...not backups. Anyone that watched the Rams play this year could see that WR cost a few games (And a division title). Finding a target is the Rams top offseason priority...coaches and the front office have both mentioned it. Second biggest need is DE where we need to find a replacement for the aging James Hall. This doesn't have to be addressed in Rd 1, but if we are passing on a Jones then we need to fill this position.

Another area of concern is safety where it looks like Otogwe will once again be an UFA. That's a position that could be addressed early than expected if he isn't re-signed.

Trogdor
01-19-2011, 12:08 PM
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1-9. Dallas (6-10): Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Yes. A+

2-8. Dallas (6-10): Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
Lots of value here but I question Clayborn in the 3-4 (both as a DE and OLB). The glaring need at safety and the oline also meets with value with Rahim Moore (FS), Stefen Wisiniewski (C), or DeMarcus Love (OT).

3-7. Dallas (6-10): Stephen Schilling, OG, Michigan
I've watched a bunch of Big Ten football (PSU grad) and I honestly don't think he should be in the top 100. He isn't the most stout lineman and unless Dallas undergoes a completely line makeover he isn't a fit schematically. If DeAndre McDaniel is sitting here in the 3rd round it would be extremely tough to pass on him considering the holes in our secondary.

Overall not a bad draft especially hitting needs. Just think with some slight tweaking it could be an amazing outcome.

Sniper
01-19-2011, 12:09 PM
[b]I've watched a bunch of Big Ten football (PSU grad) and I honestly don't think he should be in the top 100. He isn't the most stout lineman

You're right. He's not worth a pick before the mid-fourth at the earliest.

scar988
01-19-2011, 12:20 PM
good atl mock

Arsenal
01-19-2011, 01:33 PM
I kind of get the feeling San Fran isn't going to be get a quarterback at #7. If they do though Gabbert would definitely be in consideration.

Jimmy Smith is great in the 2nd.

Phil Taylor doesn't really fit a need unless Franklin walks...I don't think the team will let him to be honest. If Franklin leaves it fills a huge hole though.