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Scott Wright
01-22-2011, 01:29 PM
Draft Countdown's 2011 Senior Bowl Coverage has officially begun!

You can get to the main hub via the link below.

Be sure to stop back early and often all week long, we've got a lot of fun stuff planned!

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/Senior-Bowl.php

Duffman57
01-22-2011, 01:39 PM
Just curious, when are weigh ins?

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 01:42 PM
I can't wait until Monday.I wish NFL N would just set up a camera and let us just watch the practice all day long.

Scott Wright
01-22-2011, 02:17 PM
Just curious, when are weigh ins?

The weigh-in is Monday morning and Shane and I will be there.

As soon as it's done we'll get to work inputting the results on the site.

We can even tweet some results immediately. Who is everyone interested in?

A Perfect Score
01-22-2011, 02:22 PM
The weigh-in is Monday morning and Shane and I will be there.

As soon as it's done we'll get to work inputting the results on the site.

We can even tweet some results immediately. Who is everyone interested in?

Personally, Im interested to see what Rodney Hudson weighs in as. Also, Mark Herzlich's muscle tone and how recovered he looks and some of the defensive lineman's weight (especially the potential 5 techs). Id love early updates on those Scott.

shylo3716
01-22-2011, 02:22 PM
I'm interested to see if Dowling is actually 6'2'' now.

JPP90
01-22-2011, 03:35 PM
Interested in which long snapper has the nicest 6 pack ...and which players may be affected by that nasty back acne.

underscore
01-22-2011, 04:06 PM
Mike Pouncey and Adrian Clayborn pulled out of the Senior Bowl

49erNation85
01-22-2011, 04:09 PM
Mike Pouncey and Adrian Clayborn pulled out of the Senior Bowl

Link or info ? That really sucks for Pouncey .

bucfan12
01-22-2011, 04:14 PM
I'm interested to see if Dowling is actually 6'2'' now.

I want to see coaches play Dowling at FS during the Senior Bowl week. I think he can be a baller there. Great vision and ball skills (Ballhawk) and can lay the wood and make open field tackles. Only problem is he doesn't have the hips and movement to stick with NFL WRs. Perfect comparison: Tanard Jackson of the Bucs (without the drug problem).

JPP90
01-22-2011, 04:15 PM
Link or info ? That really sucks for Pouncey .

They both needed it too.

bucfan12
01-22-2011, 04:16 PM
Mike Pouncey and Adrian Clayborn pulled out of the Senior Bowl

This just makes me dislike Clayborn even more. He looked lazy and lacked work ethic due to the fact he got fat during the offseason and looked out of shape the whole 2010 season at Iowa. Seriously, I watched games where in the 2nd half, he barely could get a burst off the snap and looked gassed by early 3rd qtr and took too many plays off. It sucks as a Bucs fan to read multiple mocks that have us taking him at 20. This is a real hit to his stock in my opinion.

ThePudge
01-22-2011, 04:18 PM
Wish I could be there this year but I'll be waiting until next year's game to make the trip down to Mobile. I received credentials to watch the practices/weigh-ins this year but in the end, my parents weren't psyched about letting me going down to Alabama to watch football for a week while missing class. Hopefully by next year I'll have the funds to make the trip and I'll be able to convince my professors that the Senior Bowl is relevant to my future & they should let me slide for that week. Until then, enjoy the week Scott and Shane! Always the best Senior Bowl practice reviews on the net.

underscore
01-22-2011, 04:18 PM
Link or info ? That really sucks for Pouncey .

From rotoworld.com

Babylon
01-22-2011, 04:35 PM
This just makes me dislike Clayborn even more. He looked lazy and lacked work ethic due to the fact he got fat during the offseason and looked out of shape the whole 2010 season at Iowa. Seriously, I watched games where in the 2nd half, he barely could get a burst off the snap and looked gassed by early 3rd qtr and took too many plays off. It sucks as a Bucs fan to read multiple mocks that have us taking him at 20. This is a real hit to his stock in my opinion.

Let's hope Clayborn is motivated by all the Benjamins he's going to make because he does look a bit lazy. With teams rotating defensive linemen in the pros he'll probably see less snaps than in college where he seemed to tire late in games. I dont question his talent at all.

bucfan12
01-22-2011, 04:39 PM
Let's hope Clayborn is motivated by all the Benjamins he's going to make because he does look a bit lazy. With teams rotating defensive linemen in the pros he'll probably see less snaps than in college where he seemed to tire late in games. I dont question his talent at all.

I don't question his talent either, but I question his desire and motivation. Is he going to work hard after he is handed that 1st round pay check? I don't know. Pulling out of the Senior Bowl, where he really needed to prove something is not a good sign, especially after a terrible senior year. I think a lot of scouts will do a lot of studying and homework on him and see how he tired so quickly.

dannyz
01-22-2011, 04:42 PM
Who are the tops Seniors not playing in this game? I know the best one is Prince and he is not playing but who else?

bucfan12
01-22-2011, 04:45 PM
Marvin Austin, who was tearing up the shrine bowl practices. Bruce Carter, although he tore his acl a few weeks ago. Not really sure who else.

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2011, 06:35 PM
Mike Pouncey and Adrian Clayborn pulled out of the Senior Bowl

Mentioned it in my latest blog entry. A shame. I'm sure tomorrow when we get the roster we will see a few more players not on it.

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2011, 06:37 PM
Who are the tops Seniors not playing in this game? I know the best one is Prince and he is not playing but who else?

Heyward due to injury. Wisniewski not playing either. Marcus Cannon didn't get an invite.

Mr. Goosemahn
01-22-2011, 08:52 PM
I'm curious to see what Solder weighs and if he's ripped, or has a belly, or is just average. Is he going?

Brent
01-22-2011, 08:55 PM
We can even tweet some results immediately. Who is everyone interested in?
accurate QB height and weight for Ponder, Stanzi, and Dalton

SchizophrenicBatman
01-22-2011, 08:59 PM
Nate Irving height/weight plz

Duffman57
01-22-2011, 09:01 PM
The weigh-in is Monday morning and Shane and I will be there.

As soon as it's done we'll get to work inputting the results on the site.

We can even tweet some results immediately. Who is everyone interested in?

I would love to see how the 5T's weigh in (is Heyward going and weighing in, or is he just not going all together due to his surgery?) like Jordan, Bailey and a few others like Paea (though he may or may not be a 5T depending on who you ask) and maybe Jenkins. Also a few other guys i would like to see are Roc Carmichael, especially Von Miller, Kapernick and Curtis Marsh are the guys i would like to see in terms of weight/build if you could get all those in.

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2011, 09:04 PM
I would love to see how the 5T's weigh in (is Heyward going and weighing in, or is he just not going all together due to his surgery?) like Jordan, Bailey and a few others like Paea (though he may or may not be a 5T depending on who you ask) and maybe Jenkins. Also a few other guys i would like to see are Roc Carmichael, especially Von Miller, Kapernick and Curtis Marsh are the guys i would like to see in terms of weight/build if you could get all those in.

Heyward is training in Arizona. Not sure we will be able to instantly get out all of these numbers, but we will try to tweet some at least.

Mr. Goosemahn
01-22-2011, 09:08 PM
Heyward is training in Arizona. Not sure we will be able to instantly get out all of these numbers, but we will try to tweet some at least.

Just a suggestion, but you could do one and one, so you each have a bit more time.

One you, one Scott, one you, etc.

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2011, 09:09 PM
Just a suggestion, but you could do one and one, so you have a bit more time or each.

One you, one Scott, one you, etc.

Well, I'll be writing down the numbers of the weigh-in while Scott does descriptions (or vice versa, but I know you all love Scott's player descriptions. We are all hoping for another "bubble butt" this year). So either way we will have to be quick.

SenorGato
01-22-2011, 09:19 PM
This just makes me dislike Clayborn even more. He looked lazy and lacked work ethic due to the fact he got fat during the offseason and looked out of shape the whole 2010 season at Iowa. Seriously, I watched games where in the 2nd half, he barely could get a burst off the snap and looked gassed by early 3rd qtr and took too many plays off. It sucks as a Bucs fan to read multiple mocks that have us taking him at 20. This is a real hit to his stock in my opinion.

Completely agreed...Clayborn's nothing for himself this year, and was overrated as heck last year.

descendency
01-22-2011, 09:24 PM
Rodney Hudson. His stock could depend a lot on it.

Brent
01-22-2011, 09:36 PM
I know you all love Scott's player descriptions. We are all hoping for another "bubble butt" this year).
Yes, more please.

Fred Savage
01-22-2011, 10:15 PM
Who do you guys think are the cutest guys participating? Who were the best dressed when not wearing the yucky standard uniform?

JPP90
01-22-2011, 10:33 PM
Who do you guys think are the cutest guys participating? Who were the best dressed when not wearing the yucky standard uniform?

Jake Locker is pretty cute. If you're a chubby chaser, Id check out Ben Ijalana.

GoRavens
01-22-2011, 10:54 PM
I'm psyched to see Cam Jordan.
He looked about 270 last year but if he can manage to bulk on up another 15 pounds, he'll be a star.
I look for him to dominate

TB_39
01-22-2011, 11:31 PM
I'm really excited to see how Allen Bailey does this week. I would be quite happy if Tampa picked him up. Also a huge fan of Rodney Hudson, regardless of size, I would like him on my team.

ElectricEye
01-22-2011, 11:40 PM
Would love to hear Solder's weight.

87Canes
01-23-2011, 12:38 AM
I expect Allen Bailey will measure 6'4" 280lbs.

That way he can still be swift but also pack a punch.

RaiderNation
01-23-2011, 01:48 AM
Really interested in how Jake Locker, Nate Solder, Cameron Jordan and Jimmy Smith look. All are guy I see rising up the boards into the top 15 with a good Senior Bowl.

This is Lockers chance to become a top 10 pick IMO, and maybe becomes the 1st QB taken in the draft. Hopefully he comes into 100% healthy and shows how he can play with talented players around him.

Solder is a guy who needs to weight in good to get top 15 looks. Im hoping he can weigh in around 315+ and actually have some bulk on him. He looks like a TE almost, and I think some teams will be scared about that. He is going to go up against some good pass rushers so not getting beat in practice will be important as well

Cameron Jordan's hype is going up and I wont be surprised if he is a top 15 pick. He is a complete player who I think can play in the 4-3 or 3-4. He has the production to back up his hype and NFL ready size as well. He should do well in practices and I see a team taking him early.

Lastly, Jimmy Smith is a prospect I love and I think he will be one of the best players from this draft. He reportably is 6'2 205lbs and runs in the 4.4's. That is some size rarely seen at CB, and he is a shut down corner. Only allowing 11 receptions his final 2 years at Colorado. He should do well against this Senior WR class though and show his talents

descendency
01-23-2011, 02:25 AM
Jake Locker is pretty cute.

No, just no. (if you're ben roethlisberger, I will grab, twist, and yank. . . )

Duffman57
01-23-2011, 03:18 AM
Heyward is training in Arizona. Not sure we will be able to instantly get out all of these numbers, but we will try to tweet some at least.

yah for sure, but if anyone try and focus on the 5T's Bailey, Jordan and then Paea and Miller are the 4 I'm the most interested in. Thanks for taking some requests.

Duffman57
01-23-2011, 03:22 AM
I expect Allen Bailey will measure 6'4" 280lbs.

That way he can still be swift but also pack a punch.

I would expect him to come in at around 290, maybe a bit more. I think his biggest asset is that he can play in a TON of places in all schemes and thats the weight he would be able to do it at (can play 5T, UT and LE (4-3) at 290). I think thats his best option to show up around there if he can get up that high in terms of weight.

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2011, 06:07 AM
Lastly, Jimmy Smith is a prospect I love and I think he will be one of the best players from this draft. He reportably is 6'2 205lbs and runs in the 4.4's. That is some size rarely seen at CB, and he is a shut down corner. Only allowing 11 receptions his final 2 years at Colorado. He should do well against this Senior WR class though and show his talents

Jimmy Smith didn't accept his invite to the Senior Bowl.

Abaddon
01-23-2011, 06:46 AM
Would love to see an op-ed on the guys who refused invites, backed out, or just didn't get an invite (How'd they not invite Cannon?). That would be quite interesting if it had some real info in it.

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2011, 06:48 AM
Would love to see an op-ed on the guys who refused invites, backed out, or just didn't get an invite (How'd they not invite Cannon?). That would be quite interesting if it had some real info in it.

There will be more dropping out today. Maybe we can hit up a few agents and get some reasoning to write a piece on it.

underscore
01-23-2011, 06:57 AM
Will there be last minute replacements to those opting out?

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2011, 07:20 AM
Will there be last minute replacements to those opting out?

Yup. Cliff Matthews replacing Clayborn. We will get the full roster tonight (hopefully!) and pass it on to all of you immediately.

Abaddon
01-23-2011, 07:27 AM
There will be more dropping out today. Maybe we can hit up a few agents and get some reasoning to write a piece on it.

That would be outstanding. The guys who really need a boost to their stock, the only reason I can think of for them to duck the Senior Bowl...and I don't think I'm alone here...is the fear or further hurting their stock because their fat asses just aren't prepared.

It's a lot like the Combine for me. You know it's coming. You know what a good showing can mean for your draft position, and thus your bank account. Why on earth would you not take it seriously, and why on earth would I want to draft/pay you if this process is just too much for you?

Matthew Jones
01-23-2011, 10:29 AM
Cool stuff, I'll be reading. Hoping you guys have some player-team observations for the Pats!

Hines
01-23-2011, 10:33 AM
I always enjoy watching the practices. I'm excited to watch all of the CBs and OL since that's what Pittsburgh needs the most.

RaiderNation
01-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Jimmy Smith didn't accept his invite to the Senior Bowl.

Hhhmmmm I think that is a mistake on his part, I think a good showing would have made him the clear #3 CB for me

ElectricEye
01-23-2011, 02:17 PM
Jimmy Smith didn't accept his invite to the Senior Bowl.

That really stinks. I was looking forward to seeing him. Could have helped himself a lot. Suppose he's in training or something to try to have a big combine though.

scottyboy
01-23-2011, 02:33 PM
please inform the masses of how sexy and awesome Joe Lefeged is at his weigh-in.

what? he's the only real prospect we've got this year. which means I have to pimp him up super hard.

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2011, 06:11 PM
Been a busy day already, but Scott and I have kept up on our blogs and notes. Make sure you read up!

49erNation85
01-23-2011, 06:32 PM
Shane , how is the first day there going ? Any one standing out yet .I know its early .But still excited for Monday !

brasho
01-23-2011, 06:38 PM
Yup. Cliff Matthews replacing Clayborn. We will get the full roster tonight (hopefully!) and pass it on to all of you immediately.

Good, I like Mathews better than Clayborn anyways.

ElectricEye
01-23-2011, 06:39 PM
Been a busy day already, but Scott and I have kept up on our blogs and notes. Make sure you read up!

I would love to be chilling in mobile drinking caffeinated beverages with you guys. Looking forward to great content as per usual.

Duffman57
01-23-2011, 07:19 PM
The Sr Bowl people just tweeted that their roster is now up to date, except that Courtney Smith has been invited! He's one of the guys i really want to watch.

Hurricanes25
01-23-2011, 09:33 PM
I'm enjoying the blogs. Good stuff guys.

Scott Wright
01-24-2011, 06:29 AM
Shane and I are running on less than five hours of sleep but we're up and have already started a new day of coverage! Technically this is the first day of the 2011 Senior Bowl but we already have two days of coverage up! I doubt anyone can beat that! Lots of good stuff on the slate today: Podcast, Weigh-In, Practice, Media Night, etc. Be sure to stop back often for the latest.

DOMINATEtheline
01-24-2011, 09:58 AM
Thanks for all the info!!! A+ across the board!!! : )

JhawkFitness
01-24-2011, 11:18 AM
NFL personnel put a keg and donuts in the players lounge and then hung back taking notes about who helped themselves.

gpngc
01-24-2011, 11:19 AM
^Elaborate?

dmoney1632
01-24-2011, 11:27 AM
I want to see how Titus Young and Greg Cooper perform throughout the week. Also, looking to see if Ronald Johnson is able to run good routes and create separation....

shylo3716
01-24-2011, 11:30 AM
What time do weigh-in starts?

keylime_5
01-24-2011, 11:36 AM
Von Miller only 237 lbs. Not gonna go top 3 if you're that undersized.

dmoney1632
01-24-2011, 11:53 AM
Von Miller only 237 lbs. Not gonna go top 3 if you're that undersized.

How did you find out this..Another site?

SMoore
01-24-2011, 12:03 PM
How did you find out this..Another site?

Shane twittered a few of the results.

keylime_5
01-24-2011, 12:09 PM
yeah, Shane has a twitter feed, Scott too I think, and other draftniks who are there like Wes Bunting have twitter feed going on the weigh-in. Rotoworld posts seom of Bunting's updates.

FUNBUNCHER
01-24-2011, 12:09 PM
Von Miller only 237 lbs. Not gonna go top 3 if you're that undersized.

That's not too bad for Von. I really thought there was a chance he'd show up at 230#.

D-Unit
01-24-2011, 12:09 PM
Von Miller only 237 lbs. Not gonna go top 3 if you're that undersized.
Sounds good. Top 9 is much more likely! :D

Matthew Jones
01-24-2011, 12:10 PM
A few interesting results:

Allen Bailey 6'3" 278
Rodney Hudson 6'2" 291
Cameron Jordan 6'4" 287
Jake Locker 6'2" 228
Stephen Paea 6'1" 295
DJ Williams 6'2" 236
Lee Ziemba 6'6" 317

Everything else seemed pretty standard to me.

FUNBUNCHER
01-24-2011, 12:11 PM
Noel Devine weighed in at 160#!!??

OMG!!!

dmoney1632
01-24-2011, 12:12 PM
He will probably a inside LB in a 3-4 or a SOLB in a 4-3

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 12:14 PM
Nice to hear Herzlich looked impressive. Surprised to hear Solder was 314, he's always looked very thin to me.

FUNBUNCHER
01-24-2011, 12:21 PM
Nice to hear Herzlich looked impressive. Surprised to hear Solder was 314, he's always looked very thin to me.

6'8, 314# IS thin for an OT.
I'd say Solder needs to gain about 25-30# at his height.

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 12:27 PM
6'8, 314# IS thin for an OT.
I'd say Solder needs to gain about 25-30# at his height.

I fully expected him to be below 300 based on everything we've seen so far.

brasho
01-24-2011, 12:28 PM
Noel Devine weighed in at 160#!!??

OMG!!!

Yeah, 5'7 160 is fairly small for a high school RB. I think his chances of being drafted before round 6 are nil.

SMoore
01-24-2011, 12:29 PM
Nice to hear Herzlich looked impressive. Surprised to hear Solder was 314, he's always looked very thin to me.

I wanna see what Scott's notes are on his build. I wouldn't be surprised if he called him a "thin" 314.

gpngc
01-24-2011, 12:31 PM
Senior Bowl weigh-ins.

"Where Championships teams are built and stars are born."

shylo3716
01-24-2011, 12:33 PM
A few interesting results:

Jake Locker 6'2" 228

I like Locker's measurables. He is very mobile to be in the 230 range. I believe this will only help him, especially if he does not have durability issues.

brat316
01-24-2011, 12:37 PM
Cameron Jordon, is reminding me more and more of Jamal Anderson.

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 12:38 PM
Cameron Jordon, is reminding me more and more of Jamal Anderson.

Not a good comparison IMO. Jordan's motor never stops. I think he's one of the most surefire players in this draft to be honest. He's much more Justin Tuck then Jamaal Anderson.

brat316
01-24-2011, 12:44 PM
Not a good comparison IMO. Jordan's motor never stops. I think he's one of the most surefire players in this draft to be honest. He's much more Justin Tuck then Jamaal Anderson.

hopefully not. Anderson was amazing in college double digit sacks and TFL. He just needed technique work. He got lazy once he got to the NFL.

keylime_5
01-24-2011, 12:46 PM
That's not too bad for Von. I really thought there was a chance he'd show up at 230#.

yeah, it's close to the 240 he was expected to be, some were hoping he'd be closer to 250 though like DeMarcus Ware as opposed to Aaron Maybin's size. Von was actually a linebacker in college though unlike those two.

scpanther22
01-24-2011, 12:49 PM
I think someone will get a steal with Greg Jones.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 12:54 PM
7% bodyfat will do that for you. 6'8 315 really isn't that small size wise, it's just about bulk for him not so much muscle.

Surprised Ponder is a legit 6'2. Looked a lot smaller to me.

Phil Taylor is a guy I think can REALLY help himself a ton this week with a good showing and shoot all the way up to being a high second round pick. Glad to hear he carried his weight well.

shylo3716
01-24-2011, 12:58 PM
How about Dowling? Is he actually 6'2''

D-Unit
01-24-2011, 12:59 PM
Phil Taylor is a guy I think can REALLY help himself a ton this week with a good showing and shoot all the way up to being a high second round pick. Glad to hear he carried his weight well.
I would be scared of another Gabe Watson. Even if Taylor has a good Senior Bowl week... question still arises... why doesn't his college resume stand out?

Babylon
01-24-2011, 01:06 PM
Impressed with the size of some of the top tackles. Carimi, Sherod, Castonzo all have the required height and arm length. Those 3 could make some teams very happy.

Thought Jake Locker would have come in closer to 6-3 than 6-2. i've actually stood next to him and he's taller than i am, maybe i'm shorter than i thought.

Ryan Kerrigan looks like he's more in that 3-4 OLB size as opposed to 4-3 DE size. Cant help the comparison to Mike Vrabel (hint hint Pats)

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 01:06 PM
I would be scared of another Gabe Watson. Even if Taylor has a good Senior Bowl week... question still arises... why doesn't his college resume stand out?

I caught a couple Baylor games this year and he looked pretty good. Last year he looked completely overmatched and looked out of shape and slow. He got off to a pretty fast start this year and sort of slowed down a bit down the stretch, but he still managed to get 60+ tackles. He's never going to be an elite guy like Wilfork who can eat space and still make plays in the backfield, I think it's pretty safe to say that. But he should be able to play NT a 2 Gap 3-4 adequately which is more than a lot of defensive tackle prospects can say. Still a raw guy, but the unprecedented demand for quality NT's certainly helps his stock a bit.

jrdrylie
01-24-2011, 01:18 PM
Impressed with the size of some of the top tackles. Carimi, Sherod, Castonzo all have the required height and arm length. Those 3 could make some teams very happy.

Thought Jake Locker would have come in closer to 6-3 than 6-2. i've actually stood next to him and he's taller than i am, maybe i'm shorter than i thought.

Ryan Kerrigan looks like he's more in that 3-4 OLB size as opposed to 4-3 DE size. Cant help the comparison to Mike Vrabel (hint hint Pats)

If Houston doesn't take him at 11 then I'm pretty sure Kerrigan will be a 4-3 DE because I'd be shocked if Jacksonville passed on him.

shylo3716
01-24-2011, 01:23 PM
Can someone post the list of all the measurables?

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 01:25 PM
Can someone post the list of all the measurables?

Main page dude, under the Senior Bowl coverage.

Hines
01-24-2011, 01:27 PM
I'm glad that Rodney Hudson has gained some weight, but his height still scares me as far as scheme versatility goes.

49erNation85
01-24-2011, 01:31 PM
If you guys haven't gone over to weight in section of the senior bowl section here.Most of the players are there for your view pleasure ,here is the link if some of you are lazy. 90 mins to live practices woot !

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Weigh-In.php

brat316
01-24-2011, 01:32 PM
If you guys haven't gone over to weight in section of the senior bowl section here.Most of the players are there for your view pleasure ,here is the link if some of you are lazy. 90 mins to live practices woot !

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Weigh-In.php

where are they showing the practices NFLN?

brat316
01-24-2011, 01:40 PM
Keep your eyes open for Jaiquawn Jarrett.

49erNation85
01-24-2011, 01:43 PM
where are they showing the practices NFLN?

Yup bhaaat only on NFL N if you don't have it I'm sure u can watch them at ADTHE . net where they show the NFL n . Enjoy it does start at 3:30pm EST .

TimmG6376
01-24-2011, 01:50 PM
Nice to hear Herzlich looked impressive.

Yeah. A shade under 6'4" and 250lbs. If he can still run 4.65 at that size, someone could get a steal assuming he drops a bit due to health issues.

shylo3716
01-24-2011, 01:51 PM
Did Graig Cooper & Ras-I Dowling pull out the Senior Bowl?

JustDezIT
01-24-2011, 01:53 PM
Yup bhaaat only on NFL N if you don't have it I'm sure u can watch them at ADTHE . net where they show the NFL n . Enjoy it does start at 3:30pm EST .


When do the praccys start? Today or tomorrow?

PS - look out for Ahmad Black this week. I heard he looked ripped at 185.

scottyboy
01-24-2011, 01:55 PM
Joe Lefeged: Safety, Rutgers- 5'11 1/4, 208
"Muscular V-shaped upper body. ripped"

please, oh please, tell me you thought of me while writing this <3

keylime_5
01-24-2011, 02:06 PM
I'm glad that Rodney Hudson has gained some weight, but his height still scares me as far as scheme versatility goes.

all indications are it is bad weight though. I think he's gonna be pigeonholed as a zone blocking scheme type guy.

draftguru151
01-24-2011, 02:07 PM
Mmm man boobs and bubble butts.

brat316
01-24-2011, 02:08 PM
I was hoping more leg talk about Rbs.

keylime_5
01-24-2011, 02:10 PM
on Dalton: "Very ordinary build and lacked definition"

no duh, he's a ginger.

703SKINS202
01-24-2011, 02:12 PM
Mmm man boobs and bubble butts.
Haha yea lot of man boob and bubble butt comments. I sent the link to my friend to show here where I saw the Devine measurable and he was like what kind of scout is this!!??

Devine is on Brandon Banks status and he is more quick than fast and lacks top end speed, gonna really hurt his stock, sigh.

draftguru151
01-24-2011, 02:13 PM
on Dalton: "Very ordinary build and lacked definition"

no duh, he's a ginger.

Hold on playa. [/Deion]

Babylon
01-24-2011, 02:25 PM
Mmm man boobs and bubble butts.

Anyone thinking of showing pictures of Andre Smith at the combine forgetaboutit.

703SKINS202
01-24-2011, 02:27 PM
What are the guys on NFL Network doing? So ******* fake and annoying.

McGahee
01-24-2011, 02:35 PM
Is there any way to watch this online? I dont have NFL Network and I dont see it anywhere on atdhe.net


edit - Nvm its on atdhe.net under NFL Network :)

Duffman57
01-24-2011, 02:39 PM
Courtney Smith i'm hoping is a guy who can be really impressive and the Chargers can pick him up late.

Is it just me, or with his really long arms (33.5 inch), does it seem that Paea can play 5T with that size, or do you think hes still stuck in a 4-3.

I REALLY like what Jordan has with his body. LONG arms, really strong looking (from reports) and MASSIVE hands (11 1/4 inch hands is HUGE). Perfect 5T, hopefully the Chargers can get a shot at him.

brat316
01-24-2011, 02:52 PM
I've lost coverage.

VoteLynnSwan
01-24-2011, 03:12 PM
Have to love the notes on the kickers' builds

Giantsfan1080
01-24-2011, 03:17 PM
Joe Lefeged: Safety, Rutgers- 5'11 1/4, 208
"Muscular V-shaped upper body. ripped"

please, oh please, tell me you thought of me while writing this <3

Most of the Rutgers guys always impress at these type of events. They do a great job of strength training.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 03:23 PM
How's Locker looking? Just came into it and he made a nice throw to Pettis.

SKim172
01-24-2011, 03:23 PM
Most of the Rutgers guys always impress at these type of events. They do a great job of strength training.

Mayock said Lefeged has tight hips. "Great in the box" but not good in coverage. Honestly, hasn't looked great in the few moments I have seen him.

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 03:25 PM
Both the Boise State receivers look really good in the one on ones. Titus Young especially looks good.

JohnCandy
01-24-2011, 03:26 PM
A couple OLmen that caught my attention,

DeMarcus Love [Arkansas] 6'4" 320lbs. with long arms [35] and being described as a huge upper body may help him if he wants to play multiple positions in the pros.

Caring 320lbs. he could play OG.

49erNation85
01-24-2011, 03:26 PM
Is there any way to watch this online? I dont have NFL Network and I dont see it anywhere on atdhe.net


edit - Nvm its on atdhe.net under NFL Network :)

Yes it is on ATDHE . net. It is on the NFL N channel they just done say senior bowl coverage I just checked the link.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 03:29 PM
Wow. Just looked at the weight. Go Mark Herzlich! I thought he would come in at like 235 and still be out of shape. Not a REAL surprise per say as he was really, really good late in the year, but that's awesome. As mentioned, if he runs well he could be right in the first round mix at that size.

DAMN. Locker to Vinctent Brown was sexy as hell.

Giantsfan1080
01-24-2011, 03:32 PM
Mayock said Lefeged has tight hips. "Great in the box" but not good in coverage. Honestly, hasn't looked great in the few moments I have seen him.

I could have told you that as well haha. He's also been a great safety against the run but has lacked in pass protection.

49erNation85
01-24-2011, 03:32 PM
Locker just threw a strike about 10 yards down field on the money oh and it was in the pocket too.

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 03:33 PM
Gorgeous throw by Locker. Wow.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 03:33 PM
Locker just threw a strike about 10 yards down field on the money oh and it was in the pocket too.

That was a hell of a throw. I came in slightly late, but he's look real good so far.

SKim172
01-24-2011, 03:34 PM
Vincent Brown looking very good.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 03:37 PM
Vincent Brown looking very good.

Yeah, I really like him too. More of a slot receiver type, but he's a very interesting guy.


Kaepernick still has an awkward delivery, but his arm is very strong. Also like the way he calls plays in the huddle. Sounds like a confident guy in command. Not a stupid guy by any means either.

shylo3716
01-24-2011, 03:52 PM
What's up with Cooper & Dowling?

papageorgio
01-24-2011, 03:52 PM
once again Locker will make an amazing throw in the beginning of practice than crapped the bed with his accuracy in these drills.

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 03:53 PM
Kerrigan just owned Nate Solder.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 03:54 PM
Kerrigan just owned Nate Solder.

Completely. The dip move was amazing.


once again Locker will make an amazing throw in the beginning of practice than crapped the bed with his accuracy in these drills.

Not REALLY. The miss to the runningback was bad but the pick was pure miscommunication. Mayock highlighted it even. He's looked pretty good today all and all. The throw to Brown earlier in the practice fantastic.

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 03:56 PM
I said midseason I like Kerrigan more then I liked Chris Long, Im sticking by that. He's going to be a beast in the NFL.

EDIT: Carimi just stonewalled Jeremy Beal twice as well. Looks good so far.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 03:56 PM
I said midseason I like Kerrigan more then I liked Chris Long, Im sticking by that. He's going to be a beast in the NFL.

He looks in shape at 255 too. That's a real attractive size to a 3-4 team. Might be a top ten pick.

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 03:58 PM
He looks in shape at 255 too. That's a real attractive size to a 3-4 team. Might be a top ten pick.

He's actually lighter then I expected, I was thinking more 265. Looks really good though, thats for sure.

FUNBUNCHER
01-24-2011, 04:00 PM
What position is Beal attempting to project towards in the NFL?? He's not really athletic enough at 268#.

He should lose about fifteen pounds and transition to OLB.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 04:00 PM
From what I saw, Titus Young and Gabe Carimi were the big winners today. Solder struggled a bit more than he should have.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-24-2011, 04:08 PM
Just flipped this on and checked the weights on the site. Nate Irving over 6'1 at 240+ will help him

Locker being about the same size as Ponder is interesting for both of them. Jake isn't really the physical specimen he's sold to be if he isn't 6'3. He's tall enough and probably has equal if not better tools than say Aaron Rodgers...but he's no Josh Freeman.

Also heard Mayock say that Locker was "erratic" today. Guess that was his teammates fault?

Derek Sherrod almost 6'6 with the biggest arms and hands at the Senior Bowl. I liked him before this...he might be my #1 OT depending how practices go this week.

Funny that Alex Henery looks like a computer nerd. IMO he looks like he could be related to Andrew Luck

Babylon
01-24-2011, 04:10 PM
He looks in shape at 255 too. That's a real attractive size to a 3-4 team. Might be a top ten pick.

I have him going 17th. Maybe we can find a rap sheet on this guy to keep him out of the top ten.

brasho
01-24-2011, 04:13 PM
I think the guy that hasn't been talked about is Kaepernick. He looked good, in the team drills he was the most accurate, we know he can run and he looks super fast the one time they called the read option. I also think too much is made of his delivery. He's got an excellent arm, throws a nice ball, and his hitch only comes down to the elbow/mid-torso area (compare that to Leftwich and Tebow's below the waist) and considering that, it comes out fairly quickly (which means he is only below-average but can definitely improve in that area).

I wish Kerrigan would quit making everybody look bad, otherwise he has no shot at being around at #20.

Duffman57
01-24-2011, 04:15 PM
Just flipped this on and checked the weights on the site. Nate Irving over 6'1 at 240+ will help him

Locker being about the same size as Ponder is interesting for both of them. Jake isn't really the physical specimen he's sold to be if he isn't 6'3. He's tall enough and probably has equal if not better tools than say Aaron Rodgers...but he's no Josh Freeman.

Also heard Mayock say that Locker was "erratic" today. Guess that was his teammates fault?

Derek Sherrod almost 6'6 with the biggest arms and hands at the Senior Bowl. I liked him before this...he might be my #1 OT depending how practices go this week.

Funny that Alex Henery looks like a computer nerd. IMO he looks like he could be related to Andrew Luck

Yeah, to nitpick a little, Cam Jordan had the biggest hadns at 11 1/4 over Sherrod's 11 inchers, but their still massive.

I'm a little dissapointed that there's no South practice shown today, i really wanted to see Courtney Smith, Allen Bailey and Charles Clay among others.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-24-2011, 04:20 PM
^ guess I missed that. 11 inch hands are big either way. Cam Jordan is a guy with some smoke behind him too. Think he's on the way up especially if he performs in the practices

87Canes
01-24-2011, 04:20 PM
After watching the North practice here are my standouts:

Kerrigan
SDSU WR
OU Safety
Cam Jordan
Titus Young

I'm bad with names :)

The QBs did as good as they could with hardly no chemistry with their WRs.

Out of the 3 tackles, Costanzo did the best but because he really didn't step up against anyone. LOL. Solder got owned by Kerrigan.

Locker looked sharp here and there but threw a pic :(

I'm excited to see the South practice. That one should be a little more full of speed...

Babylon
01-24-2011, 04:24 PM
Does anyone know what start time is in the morning?

49erNation85
01-24-2011, 04:33 PM
it starts at 8am PST babylon so set your dvr .

87Canes
01-24-2011, 04:33 PM
Does anyone know what start time is in the morning?

Here's the schedule:
Monday, January 24
3:30 PM 2011 Under Armour Senior Bowl: Day 1 practice (HD)
8:30 PM Senior Bowl Day 1 Recap (HD)

Tuesday, January 25
11:00 AM - 2011 Under Armour Senior Bowl: Day 2 practice North team (HD)
5:00 PM 2011 Under Armour Senior Bowl: Day 2 practice South team (HD)
8:30 PM Senior Bowl Day 2 Recap (HD)

Wednesday, January 26
11:00 AM 2011 Under Armour Senior Bowl: Day 3 practice North team (HD)
5:00 PM 2011 Under Armour Senior Bowl: Day 3 practice South team (HD)
8:30 PM Senior Bowl Day 3 Recap (HD)

Thursday, January 27
11:00 AM 2011 Under Armour Senior Bowl: Day 4 practice North team (HD)
5:00 PM 2011 Under Armour Senior Bowl: Day 4 practice South team (HD)
8:30 PM Senior Bowl Day 4 Recap (HD)

Saturday, January 29
3:30 PM NFL Total Access: Senior Bowl Pregame (HD)
4:00 PM 2011 Under Armour Senior Bowl (HD) LIVE from Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, AL

Duffman57
01-24-2011, 04:36 PM
Hey was there a South Practice today? If so can someone update me on a few of the guys, Bailey, Courtney Smith and Charles Clay?

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 04:49 PM
Locker being about the same size as Ponder is interesting for both of them. Jake isn't really the physical specimen he's sold to be if he isn't 6'3. He's tall enough and probably has equal if not better tools than say Aaron Rodgers...but he's no Josh Freeman.



Apples and oranges. Different types of quarterbacks. An inch really doesn't make a whole lot of difference. He's not a plus sized quarterback like Freeman or Mallet, but he makes up for it with being solidly built and athletic. It is slightly disappointing that he's not all of 6'3, but 6'2 is fine as well. Mark Sanchez and Matt Stafford are around that size and don't have any problem seeing over the defenses and such.

Erratic is not really fair. Hot and cold would be more accurate. I am biased a bit because I missed the first part of the practice, but at the end he really got in rhythm and was delivering strikes. The throw the Vincent Brown up the seam was the best one I saw out of anyone today. The interception was a partial overthrow and some miscommunication. Supposedly he struggled to hit some passes earlier in the practice, but it's not like it was any different than Kaepernick and Stanzi who also missed some throws because of chemistry.

Kaepernick impressed me. He's obviously been preparing for the transition to the NFL behind closed doors for awhile now. Been at the Manning Camp the past few years and it sort of shows. You gotta get past the throwing motion though. It's even funkier with a close up look than it is on tape. The velocity on his passes is exceptional and he has great size and straight line speed, but we'll have to watch him throughout the week.

no bare feet
01-24-2011, 04:52 PM
Vincent Brown will be an impact player from day one, would fit well as a number two option in many offenses. has great body control and catches with his hands naturally. I think he could be pick in the range of 65-80

FuzzyGopher
01-24-2011, 04:53 PM
• Allen Bailey Miami (FL) 6'3 278 34 10⅛
Notes: Adonis. Incredibly long arms.

I lol'd.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 04:55 PM
Yeah, that one got me too. Vincent Brown has a chance to be a real nice player for someone. Made some plays today. Not a physical specimen, but he catches the ball real well and can generate separation with his routes.

TACKLE
01-24-2011, 04:56 PM
Vincent Brown looked explosive and very sudden today and did catch the ball very well with his hands. He had one real nice snag in one-on-one's. Though he needs to be a little more under control in his routes but you could definitely see the ability there.

TimmG6376
01-24-2011, 04:57 PM
Apples and oranges. Different types of quarterbacks. An inch really doesn't make a whole lot of difference. He's not a plus sized quarterback like Freeman or Mallet, but he makes up for it with being solidly built and athletic. It is slightly disappointing that he's not all of 6'3, but 6'2 is fine as well. Mark Sanchez and Matt Stafford are around that size and don't have any problem seeing over the defenses and such.

Aaron Rodgers is listed at 6-2 225. 6-2 is tall enough.

no bare feet
01-24-2011, 05:00 PM
I learned some new words

muscularture
gait
hudrant - i assume hydrant

no bare feet
01-24-2011, 05:00 PM
Can we see some pics of these men oozing with machismo

SchizophrenicBatman
01-24-2011, 05:02 PM
I've tried to tell people that Kaepernick has a shot. His delivery still needs a lot of work (it's better than previous years though) but the fact is the guy gets it done and has great tools otherwise.

I'm not a guy who makes a huge deal about QB height but my problem with Locker is that he's sold to be this guy that has everything you want except the college accolades. Sorry, but if I'm building the ultimate QB prospect he's not 6'2. His team sucking is part of this but I bet the height is too in that he's better outside the pocket than in it

I didnt get to catch any of the practices though so I'll hold off until I get to see him some

SchizophrenicBatman
01-24-2011, 05:03 PM
Aaron Rodgers is listed at 6-2 225. 6-2 is tall enough.

yea and Drew Brees is 6 flat. Flutie was like 5'10 maybe. If a guy can play he can play. Locker needs to prove that he can.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 05:08 PM
I'm not a guy who makes a huge deal about QB height but my problem with Locker is that he's sold to be this guy that has everything you want except the college accolades. Sorry, but if I'm building the ultimate QB prospect he's not 6'2. His team sucking is part of this but I bet the height is too in that he's better outside the pocket than in it.

Yeah...none of this is true. There's plenty of guys in the 6'2 range of are completely successful as pocket passers. Does Locker need to prove he can be accurate within the pocket? Yeah. But that's not an issue of height and there's dozen of examples as guys who are 6'2. That's about an inch short of ideal size yeah, but we're not talking Troy Smith or even Colt McCoy here.

Sniper
01-24-2011, 05:18 PM
Erratic is not really fair. Hot and cold would be more accurate.

Erratic basically means "hot and cold".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/erratic?show=0&t=1295911025
characterized by lack of consistency, regularity, or uniformity

Kaepernick is a stud.

IheartBeefCakes
01-24-2011, 05:28 PM
Can we get some pics of the weigh ins?

I want to see these beefcakes, nh

RaiderNation
01-24-2011, 05:31 PM
Pissed, I forgot to DVR the practices today :(

Got the rest of the week though on record. Loving the blogs Scott and Shane, keep it up!!!!

Babylon
01-24-2011, 05:33 PM
Aaron Rodgers is listed at 6-2 225. 6-2 is tall enough.

I think Locker should send Rodgers a box of chocolates after his perfomances lately. Both guys are about the same size with strong arms, escape ability, strong character and when it is said and done may go in the same area of the draft.

87Canes
01-24-2011, 05:37 PM
Kapernick is not an NFL QB sorry - Just cause he's in the Senior Bowl, people give him hype but his release is slow and ugly. All he has is height and ball throwing strength. As Mayock said, he's this year Tim Tebow without all the awards and W's.

3rd or 4th round pick at best

Babylon
01-24-2011, 05:39 PM
Kapernick is not an NFL QB sorry - Just cause he's in the Senior Bowl, people give him hype but his release is slow and ugly. All he has is height and ball throwing strength. As Mayock said, he's this year Tim Tebow without all the awards and W's.

3rd or 4th round pick at best

Sounds like Charlie Whitehurst.

Brent
01-24-2011, 05:42 PM
the Adonis reference was awesome.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 05:50 PM
Erratic basically means "hot and cold".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/erratic?show=0&t=1295911025

Eh. I think hot and cold is a bit more of a neutral word choice which fits a bit better. Erratic is a bit more negative. Maybe it's just me with that though.

Agree about Kaepernick. At one point he outran all the linebackers on an option. Could very easily see him play a Brad Smith type role early.

FUNBUNCHER
01-24-2011, 06:13 PM
Kaepernick and Philip Rivers throw virtually the exact same ball. IF it's good enough for Rivers to become a pro bowler, it's good enough for CK to make it in the NFL.

I've never seen Kaepernick miss on a throw and think, 'dang if he didn't have that side arm throwing motion, it would have been a completion.'

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 06:15 PM
Kaepernick and Philip Rivers throw virtually the exact same ball. IF it's good enough for Rivers to become a pro bowler, it's good enough for CK to make it in the NFL.

I've never seen Kaepernick miss on a throw and think, 'dang if he didn't have that side arm throwing motion, it would have been a completion.'


Exception, not the rule, ect.


Also; I've seen passes get batted down. Lots. Way more than there should be for a guy his size. He also has a windup. Never a good thing to make it easier for the pass rushers to force turnovers. He'll need to work it to make it at the next level for sure. I think he can and his intangibles are underrated, but it's a concern.

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 06:22 PM
Kaepernick and Philip Rivers throw virtually the exact same ball. IF it's good enough for Rivers to become a pro bowler, it's good enough for CK to make it in the NFL.

I've never seen Kaepernick miss on a throw and think, 'dang if he didn't have that side arm throwing motion, it would have been a completion.'

Much less about how it gets to the target, much more about how it comes out. That sidearm leaves him much more susceptible to fumbles, bat downs, etc. I think Kaepernick can make it in the NFL but he will have to overhaul that motion, same as Rivers did.

San Diego Chicken
01-24-2011, 06:27 PM
I'm happy and pissed that Vincent Brown is doing well. Love the kid but I was hoping the Chargers could snag him up with one of their third round picks. Dude could play his way into the second if he keeps this up.

gpngc
01-24-2011, 06:28 PM
^Whole world saw that one coming a mile away. Brown will go real high.

TitanHope
01-24-2011, 06:47 PM
LOL at them making fun of the punters. Screw "adonis." I like me some "computer geek" and "grocery store stock boy."

shylo3716
01-24-2011, 06:49 PM
What's the progress on Ponder's arm?

brasho
01-24-2011, 07:09 PM
Kapernick is not an NFL QB sorry - Just cause he's in the Senior Bowl, people give him hype but his release is slow and ugly. All he has is height and ball throwing strength. As Mayock said, he's this year Tim Tebow without all the awards and W's.

3rd or 4th round pick at best

And then all Kaepernick did was make all the throws today that Tebow couldn't.

Here's the facts, Kaepernick has the requisite size, arm strength, and leadership qualities of a great QB. Tebow only had the leadership. Kaepernick is also far more nimble and faster than Tebow, which is important because QBs that run like FBs isn't as important as you might think. Also, Tebow had a far worse motion than Kaepernick and considering CK only drops down to just below his shoulder to throw the ball while TT went all the way down to his waist, it is safe to say he has far less to work on there.

You have no clue about QBs and are too busy listening to the talking heads and not busy enough seriously watching the players. When CK goes in the top 64 picks you'll likely just say, like everybody else does, "oops, I guess I missed on that one"... well let me be the first to tell you that you missed on this one.

brasho
01-24-2011, 07:11 PM
Why is Shane naming the list for bad bodies after Andre Smith?

Andre Smith wasn't the one that had that god awful pic from his weigh-in, that was Terrence Cody.

It was Andre Smith who elected to run without his shirt on at his pro day.

SKim172
01-24-2011, 07:13 PM
Kapernick is not an NFL QB sorry - Just cause he's in the Senior Bowl, people give him hype but his release is slow and ugly. All he has is height and ball throwing strength. As Mayock said, he's this year Tim Tebow without all the awards and W's.

3rd or 4th round pick at best

Because Tim Tebow really deserved to be a 1st rounder.


I'd say give Kaepernick a shot. I'm not all that worried about his release, I'm worried about his ability to run an NFL offense. Plus, he's never had the best touch or accuracy. But, he's got height, a strong arm, and some great speed. His release is nowhere near as ugly as Tebow's. I'd say he's a better pro prospect than Tebow was and if he can find his own crazy coach to draft him as his personal pet project *cough*McDaniels*cough*idiot*cough*, he could end up going pretty early.

Matthew Jones
01-24-2011, 07:55 PM
Patriots will meet with Iowa DL Christian Ballard tomorrow morning.

RWills
01-24-2011, 07:59 PM
I take it you can scratch Bailey as a 5-tech, he is suited to be a 4-3 LDE

Bald_81
01-24-2011, 08:00 PM
Note to Shane: You mentioned in your blog how Drake Nevis could've followed in the footsteps of Dorsey and Raji by having a dominant Senior Bowl week. I think you have Dorsey confused with Sedrick Ellis because he didn't participate in the Senior Bowl.

Mr. Goosemahn
01-24-2011, 08:02 PM
Are the practices on NFLN?

RWills
01-24-2011, 08:03 PM
Patriots will meet with Iowa DL Christian Ballard tomorrow morning.

Gives that pass rush on the 3-4 line they lack other than Wright, though controling the line against the run worries me. Solid 2/3 rnd.

IM on a Kerrigan kick right now

Babylon
01-24-2011, 08:09 PM
Gives that pass rush on the 3-4 line they lack other than Wright, though controling the line against the run worries me. Solid 2/3 rnd.

IM on a Kerrigan kick right now

My guess is they'll address that 3-4 end with one of their two firsts or the top pick in the second.

Von Miller according to another source looked great in the drills but that his size might dictate he's a 4-3 OLB, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Matthew Jones
01-24-2011, 08:15 PM
My guess is they'll address that 3-4 end with one of their two firsts or the top pick in the second.

Von Miller according to another source looked great in the drills but that his size might dictate he's a 4-3 OLB, not that there is anything wrong with that.

You're probably right about addressing five-technique early, whether it's Heyward, Watt, or possibly Jordan. One guy to keep your eye on is Muhammad Wilkerson, who is 6'5", 305 pounds, and seems like a good, smart kid. I could see New England drafting him with any of their picks including #17 overall. That's not to say Ballard isn't a possibility, though. There's the Kirk Ferentz connection, and he seems to have decent size and experience lining up at both end and tackle. He would probably represent an upgrade over Mike Wright/Myron Pryor rushing from a defensive tackle spot in the sub package, and could play a little bit of end in the base defense too. He's more of a pass rusher than a run stuffer at this point.

descendency
01-24-2011, 08:18 PM
As far as interesting ones (to me):
- Christian Ponder and Ricky Stanzi seem to be the best QBs from a physical standpoint at the Senior Bowl. Locker is a close 3rd (I like big hands on my QB)

- Noel Devine being 160 hurts his stock for sure. 160 is tiny.

- Leonard Hankerson has bigger hands than Hakeem Nicks. 10 LBs lighter but about the same size overall. Nicks had 1/2 longer arms. I'm not comparing their on field game, but their physical measurements seem comparable which I think helps Hankerson. The next step is to have a big senior bowl week. Another inch on Courtney Smith's hands and I think scouts would be drooling.

- Rodney Hudson is 290, but also very flabby... Still my #1 C and probably G for a ZBS team. Derek Sherrod has massive size.

- Cameron Jordan looks like the best DL and Allen Bailey is an inch or so shorter than expected. Christian Ballard still looks like Tarzan. . .

- Nate Irving should fly up draft boards this week. I have a strong feeling about that. Von Miller is 237 LBs (eww); that says 43 WLB to me. Herzlich is 250, so I can't wait to see how he plays this week. KJ Wright is someone who I think has late to mid round potential with huge upside; another outstanding size player.

- The Senior bowl DBs blow. Rashad Carmichael seems to be bigger than his 5'9" frame suggests... but that is below average.

TACKLE
01-24-2011, 08:20 PM
LOL at them making fun of the punters. Screw "adonis." I like me some "computer geek" and "grocery store stock boy."

Kurt Warner is better than Vernon Gholston so this must be true.

Matthew Jones
01-24-2011, 08:21 PM
Not a huge Carmichael fan, he seems like a very weak tackler in my experience watching him. Definitely not in the same class as fellow Hokies Brandon Flowers and Macho Harris.

keylime_5
01-24-2011, 08:52 PM
I take it you can scratch Bailey as a 5-tech, he is suited to be a 4-3 LDE

I think he'd be good in Baltimore or New York's 3-4, but not a very ideal fit in New England. Kinda reminds me of Justin Tuck, though not as productive.

RWills
01-24-2011, 09:03 PM
If the Pats miss out on Kerrigan I am hoping for Watt/Jordan or trade down for Houston, we need pass rushing from DE and OLB after that give me a RB and some tough lineman (Wisniewski, Love, Jackson, Pinkston)

Matthew Jones
01-24-2011, 09:06 PM
If the Pats miss out on Kerrigan I am hoping for Watt/Jordan or trade down for Houston, we need pass rushing from DE and OLB after that give me a RB and some tough lineman (Wisniewski, Love, Jackson, Pinkston)

I'm not sure Houston is someone they'd target. Seems to have good size and plays in a 3-4 but New England likes its linebackers to be able to drop into coverage and Houston hasn't really done that from what I've seen.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 09:11 PM
I'm not sure Houston is someone they'd target. Seems to have good size and plays in a 3-4 but New England likes its linebackers to be able to drop into coverage and Houston hasn't really done that from what I've seen.

I've seen him do a bit of that. The problem with Houston for us is that he's just not built like we like our pass rushers to be. More of a squat guy than a lanky one.

JohnCandy
01-24-2011, 09:13 PM
I thought OT James Brewer from Indiana was impressive today at OG and RT.

Did anyone hear about DeMarcus Love?

JustDezIT
01-24-2011, 09:28 PM
How are people commenting on Von? He didn't play today, did he?

And why wasn't the south on today? Will tomorrow be their first praccy?

Thanks.

nepg
01-24-2011, 09:40 PM
Allen Bailey is basically Chris Long as a prospect. He's been projected to 3-4 DE, 3-4 OLB, 4-3 DE, and 4-3 DT. Same size and tools...

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 09:50 PM
Allen Bailey is basically Chris Long as a prospect. He's been projected to 3-4 DE, 3-4 OLB, 4-3 DE, and 4-3 DT. Same size and tools...

In terms of role, yeah. But Bailey has much superior tools, but far less technique. Doesn't have a motor like Chris Long either.

jrdrylie
01-24-2011, 09:54 PM
Hankerson measuring only 6015 is disappointing. I thought he was 6'3". I wanted the Bears to take him but they need a bigger guy than that.

Quailman
01-24-2011, 10:00 PM
I think Allen Bailey is going to be terrible at the NFL level, like on par with Gholston as a bust. The guy is so slow off the line, has zero pass rushing moves, awful technique, plays too high, bad hand usage and when I watched him against Pitt he did absolutely nothing as a DT because he didn't have the bulk or leg drive to push the pocket after linemen locked onto him because he is slow off the line, plays with terrible leverage and has no pass rushing moves. The guy is just a bad football player who people like because of his physical tools.

TitansCJftw
01-24-2011, 10:13 PM
@ Scott and Shane, your initial impressions of Dwayne Harris?

descendency
01-24-2011, 10:14 PM
Hankerson measuring only 6015 is disappointing. I thought he was 6'3". I wanted the Bears to take him but they need a bigger guy than that.

Yea, please pass on a guy with 33 inch arms and 10 5/8 inch hands with deep speed. I really hope he goes to the Patriots in the bottom of the second round. Teams will surely regret that one (because it would allow them to get an OLB, DE, and OL or maybe RB or CB first :D)

niel89
01-24-2011, 10:16 PM
Are the practices on NFLN?

Yes, 1 broadcast for each team during the day, as well as a review show at 8:30pm est.

JustDezIT
01-24-2011, 10:18 PM
Yes, 1 broadcast for each team during the day, as well as a review show at 8:30pm est.

Why didn't they broadcast the south?

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2011, 10:55 PM
Why didn't they broadcast the south?

My guess is that NFLN will only broadcast afternoon practices, and the North and South will alternate morning/afternoon.

gpngc
01-24-2011, 10:58 PM
Didn't catch the practices today... I'll probably DVR whatever NFLN gives us this week. Wouldn't mind hearing from Shane or Scott on this subject but...

*opens up gigantic can 'o worms*

Tony Pauline of SI.com:

Jake Locker/QB/Washington: Locker struggled almost the entire first day in Mobile. He has an NFL arm, but the accuracy of his throws leaves much to be desired. Locker was constantly high of the mark, forcing receivers to leave their feet as they attempted to make the reception. His passes were also late as pass catchers were usually waiting for the ball to arrive.


Uh. That's the guy we saw all year...

Cue thread implosion in 3...2...

keylime_5
01-24-2011, 11:02 PM
you beat me to it by mere minutes.

where's all the "locker is gonna light up the senior bowl" talk? I thought he was gonna look like a changed man throwing to better receivers behind a better line. So far not so much. It's not like they are using anything but extremely simple coverages either out there. Dude's biggest concern by far was accuracy and so far it is still a huge problem from the sounds of things.

A Perfect Score
01-24-2011, 11:02 PM
Its the first day...

JPP90
01-24-2011, 11:25 PM
you beat me to it by mere minutes.

where's all the "locker is gonna light up the senior bowl" talk? I thought he was gonna look like a changed man throwing to better receivers behind a better line. So far not so much. It's not like they are using anything but extremely simple coverages either out there. Dude's biggest concern by far was accuracy and so far it is still a huge problem from the sounds of things.

Jesus Christ its Day 1! As much as you idiots hate the people that see potential in Jake Locker, its equally annoying to see you guys grasping at straws and overreacting over day 1. If he sucks all week, then if it makes you feel better get on and gloat. Ill be the first one to say "thought he'd have a good week, guess I was wrong." God knows if he tore it up from here on out you'd hear crickets from his critics. That's just the way it works. You and everyone else posting "oh nice throw, was that his supporting cast's fault" on day 1...****. I know there's a desperation on here to talk and judge but I'm not judging anyone on day 1. Go ahead and neg rep me now for adding a little p issed off, crystal clear perspective to day 1 of the Senior Bowl and the continued nit-picking of Jake Locker.

asdf1223
01-24-2011, 11:28 PM
Another draft site had this to say about Locker. I wont link to it since its against Scott's policy.
As I highlighted in my Senior Bowl Preview, Washington's Jake Locker would be under a microscope this week and that began today as he took the field for the first time. Locker, in my opinion, had a very good practice. He consistently showed plenty of arm strength to deliver the ball all over the field and more often than not was precise with his accuracy. On a few occasions he was off-target, however I think that can be attributed to getting timing down with brand new receivers more than anything. Locker was impressive and today did nothing to change my belief that he's worth a Top 15 pick in this year's draft. Nevada's Colin Kaepernick was equally impressive today. His awkward throwing delivery is going to annoy some scouts, however he has a strong arm and displayed better accuracy than I expected to see from him. He was going step-for-step with Locker for much of the practice. His mechanics, footwork, and overall delivery will need to be cleaned up, but he definitely helped himself today. Iowa's Ricky Stanzi, on the other hand, really seemed to struggle at times. His accuracy was erratic, more often than not sailing the ball over the receiver's head to the point that no one could catch it. He has a strong enough arm, but he will need to show better accuracy tomorrow.
Its all personal opinion. The Locker I saw on NFLN absolutely rifled passes, had one of the prettiest throwing motions out there and was very impressive. The same person might see something completely different.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 11:32 PM
For what it's worth, Locker was head an shoulders above Stanzi and Kaepernick today who both had similar issues but aren't getting anywhere near the amount of flack I expect Locker will get. I did not see the early stuff, but he went through a real nice stretch in the middle and towards the end where he was absolutely gunning throws in there. His arm is absolutely as advertised.

How often do we see a guy come into one of these games and just dominate? It's all about perspective here. They've never played with these receivers and there's bound to be miscommunication left and right. You've got to go weave through that for everyone, not just Locker. Phillip Rivers is the only quarterback in recent memory to come in and just light up the Senior Bowl.

gpngc
01-24-2011, 11:32 PM
I'm not sure what they do on Friday, but either 20 or 25% of his practice week is over. And the reports are not good.

I don't know. If you don't judge him on day one of practice because... it's day one... and you don't judge him during the season because... his team sucks... then when do you judge him? Only when he does well? That's what it seems like...

Matthew Jones
01-24-2011, 11:33 PM
From what I've heard, Locker was very impressive today. Gonna try and check out some of the practices tomorrow, when do they start? Hopefully I'm not in school...

Quailman
01-24-2011, 11:35 PM
So far Scott is the only person who has negatively reviewed Colin Kaepernick.

49erNation85
01-24-2011, 11:37 PM
Raven , the east starts at 8 am tomorrow PST .And North is 12:30 PST.Don't be hating on Locker on day already people.Its hard to do that already.Still he is way above the other QB 's there IMO .He just needs to settle down and get smooth going from here on out .

JPP90
01-24-2011, 11:39 PM
I'm not sure what they do on Friday, but either 20 or 25% of his practice week is over. And the reports are not good.

I don't know. If you don't judge him on day one of practice because... it's day one... and you don't judge him during the season because... his team sucks... then when do you judge him? Only when he does well? That's what it seems like...

You could reason that any of these players might be jittery, or rusty on day 1 of Senior Bowl week. By your own ingenious estimation, he has 75-80% of his practice week left. How bout you wait til any one of these guys have at least 50% left before you judge? Biases are prevailing here, its that simple, and its asinine. I'm not a Kaepernick fan but I'm not getting on here and judging on day 1 whether he lit it up or threw 5 picks. Put the biases aside and give the guy a chance...if he isn't improving tomm or Wednesday, probably a good indicator he isn't going to. But day 1...come on.

Matthew Jones
01-24-2011, 11:40 PM
So far Scott is the only person who has negatively reviewed Colin Kaepernick.

McShay had mixed feelings as well.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 11:41 PM
I'm not sure what they do on Friday, but either 20 or 25% of his practice week is over. And the reports are not good.
Jeez man. You've got the doomsday clock running huh? It wasn't even a full pad practice today.

I don't know. If you don't judge him on day one of practice because... it's day one... and you don't judge him during the season because... his team sucks... then when do you judge him? Only when he does well? That's what it seems like...

In the NFL! But yeah, you absolutely judge him today. He did pretty well and I'm far from the only one to say that. Issues with accuracy, but we already knew that. He was much better than both Stanzi and Kaepernick today who both were off on throws just as much if not more and neither of those two had the benefit of making any "Wow" throws. Locker managed to pull off two of those with the strike to Kendricks on the move and the throw to Vincent Brown over the middle.

gpngc
01-24-2011, 11:45 PM
^I agree the biases run wild.

I'm not even drawing any conclusions. I just DVRd the practices for tomorrow and hopefully they'll show a good chunk of Locker. All I do is comment on what actually happens. The report was that he didn't do well and it coincided with what he's done all season - I thought that was interesting and relevant considering the claims that Locker's accuracy issues were more a product of his situation than himself as a player.

I don't know how or why Tony Pauline would be biased... but maybe he is, who knows.

gpngc
01-24-2011, 11:50 PM
Jeez man. You've got the doomsday clock running huh? It wasn't even a full pad practice today.



In the NFL! But yeah, you absolutely judge him today. He did pretty well and I'm far from the only one to say that. Issues with accuracy, but we already knew that. He was much better than both Stanzi and Kaepernick today who both were off on throws just as much if not more and neither of those two had the benefit of making any "Wow" throws. Locker managed to pull off two of those with the strike to Kendricks on the move and the throw to Vincent Brown over the middle.

This is the problem for me. It's all about accuracy. He's got EVERYTHING else. I know about his rifle and athleticism and attitude and build. I need to see him look like a guy who can consistently read defenses from the pocket, step up, and deliver accurate passes to his targets. Issues with accuracy is a HUGE red flag for me...

This to me means nothing. I don't care how he compares to mediocre-at-best QB prospects. If I'm considering him in the first round he DAMN WELL better be light years ahead of Colin freakin' Kaepernick lol.

ElectricEye
01-24-2011, 11:53 PM
This to me means nothing. I don't care how he compares to mediocre-at-best QB prospects. If I'm considering him in the first round he DAMN WELL better be light years ahead of Colin freakin' Kaepernick lol.

What do you suggest measuring it on then? Stanzi is a high second round pick right now and everyones silver medal. Kaepernick is project, but he does have NFL talent. He was DAMN WELL better than those two just like he's supposed to be and you wanted him to be so what's the problem?

descendency
01-24-2011, 11:53 PM
This is the problem for me. It's all about accuracy. He's got EVERYTHING else. I know about his rifle and athleticism and attitude and build. I need to see him look like a guy who can consistently read defenses from the pocket, step up, and deliver accurate passes to his targets. Issues with accuracy is a HUGE red flag for me...

This to me means nothing. I don't care how he compares to mediocre-at-best QB prospects. If I'm considering him in the first round he DAMN WELL better be light years ahead of Colin freakin' Kaepernick lol.

LOL. Nice attempt to get his stock to drop like a rock so he is available for Seattle now :P

JPP90
01-24-2011, 11:55 PM
^I agree the biases run wild.

I'm not even drawing any conclusions. I just DVRd the practices for tomorrow and hopefully they'll show a good chunk of Locker. All I do is comment on what actually happens. The report was that he didn't do well and it coincided with what he's done all season - I thought that was interesting and relevant considering the claims that Locker's accuracy issues were more a product of his situation than himself as a player.

I don't know how or why Tony Pauline would be biased... but maybe he is, who knows.

He's not supposed to be. But he is paid to give his analysis and opinion...no on here is. And no one wants to get on NFL.com and read "we're holding off on our opinions til day 2 or 3. People want opinions NOW. They want to see guys tore down or built up immediately..and that's the reality of it. We all want to know day 1 who is an NFL star and who isn't and the intelligent thing to say is "I don't know, its day 1." No one is necessarily right or accurate about Locker on day 1. Its a point of view and if you don't like Locker to begin with, you're gonna find every flaw you can and tear him down. If you see potential in him, you're gonna focus on the good throws and not harp on the bad.

descendency
01-25-2011, 12:02 AM
Derek Sherrod: 84 inch wingspan

Babylon
01-25-2011, 12:10 AM
LOL. Nice attempt to get his stock to drop like a rock so he is available for Seattle now :P

I dont believe gpnc's a Locker fan, if it's an act he should be in Hollywood getting ready to receive his Academy Award.

niel89
01-25-2011, 12:12 AM
Why didn't they broadcast the south?

I believe it was at a different location and they don't have 2 full film crews. The practices from this point on are staggered but at the same location I believe.

Duffman57
01-25-2011, 12:16 AM
Does anyone know when NFL N starts broadcasting the north practices tomorrow?

gpngc
01-25-2011, 12:16 AM
What do you suggest measuring it on then? Stanzi is a high second round pick right now and everyones silver medal. Kaepernick is project, but he does have NFL talent. He was DAMN WELL better than those two just like he's supposed to be and you wanted him to be so what's the problem?

-Accuracy
-Decision-making

On tape.

Not in comparison to anyone. Just him. What happens. Film. Games. Game-like situations. Practices.

I don't know about the rest of you but I like my QBs to be able to take a 5-step drop, survey the field, read the defense, make a good decision, and deliver an accurate ball. Consistently.

I want to see him do THAT. Not show off a stronger arm than Kaepernick...

Borat
01-25-2011, 12:18 AM
Why didn't they broadcast the south?

They've always shown only one practice on Day 1. I hate that. They should be showing both the rest of the way out.

Babylon
01-25-2011, 12:18 AM
Does anyone know when NFL N starts broadcasting the north practices tomorrow?

1100 hours eastern.

Duffman57
01-25-2011, 12:25 AM
1100 hours eastern.

Is that when their practicing, or when NFL Net. is showing it, cuz i think its a few hours delayed. But if its not than their showing it at 8:00 PST??? THAT SUCKS

Master Exploder
01-25-2011, 12:26 AM
I'm not a Jake Locker fan, but I am going to give him the benefit of doubt this week. If he has a poor performance, then my opinion on him will not change at all, well I'll probably believe that his potential is hyped up too much. However, if he does come in and have great practices when the week is done and plays a great game, I can really see myself buying into his potential.

I look at it like this. Jake Locker's defense has always been that he's never had a supporting cast, and in my opinion he's really only got 1 shot to prove that he can perform like he's supposed to with a better supporting cast. If he fails, he'll continue to be listed as a "project" in my book. I fully expect him to be light years away from Stanzi and Kaepernick and if he doesn't create that seperation then he is just not worth being a top 5, 10, 15 draft pick.

Shane P. Hallam
01-25-2011, 12:33 AM
So far Scott is the only person who has negatively reviewed Colin Kaepernick.

Everyone on the sideline today wasn't thrilled with Kaepernick. I wasn't focused on the QBs, but both Locker and Stanzi were hit or miss in the 7 on 7.

JPP90
01-25-2011, 12:39 AM
Everyone on the sideline today wasn't thrilled with Kaepernick. I wasn't focused on the QBs, but both Locker and Stanzi were hit or miss in the 7 on 7.

Posters on here have been so on his nuts all day that I really did assume he must have had a good day. There is something about Kaepernick and Newton with a percentage of this board...they can do no wrong.

gpngc
01-25-2011, 12:42 AM
I'm not a Jake Locker fan, but I am going to give him the benefit of doubt this week. If he has a poor performance, then my opinion on him will not change at all, well I'll probably believe that his potential is hyped up too much. However, if he does come in and have great practices when the week is done and plays a great game, I can really see myself buying into his potential.

I look at it like this. Jake Locker's defense has always been that he's never had a supporting cast, and in my opinion he's really only got 1 shot to prove that he can perform like he's supposed to with a better supporting cast. If he fails, he'll continue to be listed as a "project" in my book. I fully expect him to be light years away from Stanzi and Kaepernick and if he doesn't create that seperation then he is just not worth being a top 5, 10, 15 draft pick.

Agree with first bold. I WANT him to be good. My team needs a QB! I just haven't seen it yet!

Second bold is just so freaking scary for a guy who's been starting for four years...

ElectricEye
01-25-2011, 12:43 AM
-Accuracy
-Decision-making

On tape.

Not in comparison to anyone. Just him. What happens. Film. Games. Game-like situations. Practices.

I don't know about the rest of you but I like my QBs to be able to take a 5-step drop, survey the field, read the defense, make a good decision, and deliver an accurate ball. Consistently.

I want to see him do THAT. Not show off a stronger arm than Kaepernick...
Cool... But that stuff has been discussed to death. We're talking about the Senior Bowl right now, not games and film. He outperformed the quarterbacks around him in a similar situation today and he deserves credit for that. He also DID those things today. Not the accurate ball thing, but the reads, the 5 step drop, and decision making were fine.

JHL6719
01-25-2011, 03:01 AM
Where is Vincent Brown's measurements? Are there some guys who's measurements are missing or what?

descendency
01-25-2011, 03:06 AM
Don't know if they are not listed on the site, but he's 5110, 184, with 10.5 inch hands, 33.25 inch arms, and 76.625 inch wingspan.

JHL6719
01-25-2011, 03:26 AM
Don't know if they are not listed on the site, but he's 5110, 184, with 10.5 inch hands, 33.25 inch arms, and 76.625 inch wingspan.

33 1/4" arms?! 10 1/2" hands! Lol... that's pretty awesome.

Scott doesn't have Vincent Brown's measurements listed on the site with all the others so I was wondering what his measurements were... thanks for the info.

Where are those listed at btw?

Duffman57
01-25-2011, 03:44 AM
33 1/4" arms?! 10 1/2" hands! Lol... that's pretty awesome.

Scott doesn't have Vincent Brown's measurements listed on the site with all the others so I was wondering what his measurements were... thanks for the info.

Where are those listed at btw?

The place i saw it is Walterfootball, but i'm sure its all over the place.

descendency
01-25-2011, 05:17 AM
33 1/4" arms?! 10 1/2" hands! Lol... that's pretty awesome.

Scott doesn't have Vincent Brown's measurements listed on the site with all the others so I was wondering what his measurements were... thanks for the info.

Where are those listed at btw?

Can't post a link, but if you go to an internet search engine and search for "senior bowl weigh ins" you will see quite a few websites with nice tables on them.

LizardState
01-25-2011, 08:58 AM
All eyes on Locker (measured 6-ft-2 , 228 lbs) as he's the only top tier QB present, IDK if expectations are realistic about his lighting things up behind a "better line," these guys only play together for 1 wk so don't expect a lot of chemistry, it's just sandlot-type straight up pass blocking, & maybe only 2 or 3 of the starting front 5 will play the entire game. And defensive blitzing & I think offensive OL pulling is disallowed -- DLs stunting is OK.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Senior-Bowl-practice-notes-Day-1.html

Per this article the WR standouts were Husker Niles Paul & speedster Titus Young of Boise St. (compared to smurfish WR Johnny Knox).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-GdJq-1dO0

D-linemen Jeremy Beal & Christian Ballard had trouble shedding blockers, & others confirmed earlier knocks on them that will keep them out of the 1st rd: Michigan St. LB Greg Jones is way too undersized (under 6 ft) & underperformed as well, & Colorado OT Nate Solder has a too elongated frame & looks more & more like an NFL project.

Sniper
01-25-2011, 09:13 AM
A little surprised about the comments on Alabama OL James Carpenter. I heard great things about the Tide's S&C coach. Maybe Carpenter's just not a workout fan.

McGahee
01-25-2011, 10:03 AM
Is the practice today starting right now? Does anyone else see a stream on ATDHE.net?

ElectricEye
01-25-2011, 10:09 AM
Pettis is much better than advertised. Pretty impressed with him.

keylime_5
01-25-2011, 10:14 AM
Jesus Christ its Day 1! As much as you idiots hate the people that see potential in Jake Locker, its equally annoying to see you guys grasping at straws and overreacting over day 1. If he sucks all week, then if it makes you feel better get on and gloat. Ill be the first one to say "thought he'd have a good week, guess I was wrong." God knows if he tore it up from here on out you'd hear crickets from his critics. That's just the way it works. You and everyone else posting "oh nice throw, was that his supporting cast's fault" on day 1...****. I know there's a desperation on here to talk and judge but I'm not judging anyone on day 1. Go ahead and neg rep me now for adding a little p issed off, crystal clear perspective to day 1 of the Senior Bowl and the continued nit-picking of Jake Locker.

fwiw I said "so far." I was a fan of Locker after his junior year, but there are still plenty of people that are all over his sack after his terribly disappointing senior year and they keep saying, "wait until the senior bowl and combine when he'll light it up." Let's let it play out, but the guy just doesn't have the accuracy to be a good QB, at least not yet. It's not like guys like Kyle Boller didn't light up the senior bowl and combine either, which is why I don't put too much stock into these all-star game settings for quarterbacks.

ElectricEye
01-25-2011, 10:16 AM
Titus Young is an absolutely dirty route runner. Put on two wow moves in practice already.

JoeJoeBrown
01-25-2011, 10:33 AM
Dunno if this has been mentioned, but Dane Sanzenbacher is a late addition (http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/22792/sanzenbacher-added-to-senior-bowl-roster) to the North roster.

ElectricEye
01-25-2011, 10:36 AM
Nate Solder looks better early today than he did the other day. Stonewalled Kerrigan, who really embarrassed him yesterday twice in a row.

keylime_5
01-25-2011, 10:37 AM
I know he had a great year, but I didn't realize he led the Big Ten in yards and touchdowns, wow.

Babylon
01-25-2011, 10:37 AM
Nate Solder looks better early today than he did the other day. Stonewalled Kerrigan, who really embarrassed him yesterday twice in a row.

For those of us that dont have access to the practices feel free to share what you see there.

ElectricEye
01-25-2011, 10:40 AM
For those of us that dont have access to the practices feel free to share what you see there.

Well, bad news is Cameron Jordan just ran right by him for like the thousandth time in their meet ups haha.

JoeJoeBrown
01-25-2011, 10:46 AM
I know he had a great year, but I didn't realize he led the Big Ten in yards and touchdowns, wow.

Exactly. The guy is going to be a good one. Teams are going to overlook him due to his size (5'11"??) and speed (say 4.55-4.6). Which is idiotic.

Speed and size are important but way down on the list compared to hands, route running, blocking ability, willingness to run routes in traffic, ability to diagnose defenses and break off routes due to blitzes or coverage, etc...

He will be a great 3rd or 2nd WR for some team.

Should be a 3rd rounder, will likely be a 6+ rounder.

keylime_5
01-25-2011, 10:49 AM
actually Sanzenbacher isn't a very good blocker in the run game. He's willing to block but I've seen him get owned by DBs a lot, but I usually laugh it off b/c he does everything else so well. He'll be better than Brian Hartline, who had a good year as a #2 WR in Miami.

ElectricEye
01-25-2011, 10:50 AM
Cameron Jordan is the early story of these practices for sure. He's been terrorizing this offensive line group.

JoeJoeBrown
01-25-2011, 10:52 AM
actually Sanzenbacher isn't a very good blocker in the run game. He's willing to block but I've seen him get owned by DBs a lot, but I usually laugh it off b/c he does everything else so well. He'll be better than Brian Hartline, who had a good year as a #2 WR in Miami.

He's an ok blocker, not great, I guess I was hyperbolic.

I think Hartline is a great comparison, except that I think Dane is tougher.