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jetsfan0099
01-25-2011, 10:15 PM
Is he really that fast at LB?? Is he any good at pass rushing??

BUSTKUNTLAWL
01-25-2011, 10:23 PM
No.

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descendency
01-26-2011, 12:00 AM
If he does, he doesn't play like it. So, it doesn't matter.

TACKLE
01-26-2011, 12:11 AM
Maybe I'm just gullible but I believe he can run sub 4.4.

jtice2003
01-26-2011, 12:16 AM
4.35-4.40...probably realistically 4.40-4.45

RaiderNation
01-26-2011, 12:18 AM
I'm guessing a 4.49, which is still impressive.

PossibleCabbage
01-26-2011, 04:15 AM
Moch has a background as a track sprinter. So he's familiar with effective get-off technique of the starting block, as it were. A good start versus a bad start can add or subtract tenths of a second from everybody's forty time.

So I think he's actually as fast as some 4.4 guys, but he'll probably run with better technique than them so I would not be surprised if he's in the 4.3 range.

brasho
01-26-2011, 08:02 AM
THis is from August. According to this article he ran a 4.18... they didn't believe the time so they had him run it again, and he ran 4.08. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/wac/2010-08-18-preview-nevada-dontay-moch_N.htm On hisi third attempt he went 4.20.

Also, in high school, Moch ran a 10.78 100 and a 22.12 200. He won the Arizona state 200 m title.

I think it is possible he can run 4.25. Whether people think he can do it or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he has had witnesses see him do it and he has the background.

J52
01-26-2011, 09:38 AM
Why would they put 245 pounds on weight on him with that speed. Lean him up and put him at a skill position.

the_dark_knight
01-26-2011, 09:44 AM
Why would they put 245 pounds on weight on him with that speed. Lean him up and put him at a skill position.

May not have the skill to play a skill position

brasho
01-26-2011, 09:47 AM
Why would they put 245 pounds on weight on him with that speed. Lean him up and put him at a skill position.

He only weighed 229 at the Shrine Bowl... LB is now his only position.

ElectricEye
01-26-2011, 09:58 AM
Anything under 4.5 will still be outright freaky.

jtice2003
01-26-2011, 11:36 AM
at 6'1,229, sounds like he could compete at safety, maybe they school give him a look.

Theres a guy named keenan clayton who played for oklahoma..not near as fast as this guy is said to be but, still 4.4 material. he came in to play SS for them at 6'1, 205-210ish. he was moved to ROLB because of his strength and lateral movement, ability to stop the run. he left OU at 6'1,230 and now plays for the philidelphia eagles.

If he is indeed this fast, and can relay that to the field, this guys is a HUGE sleeper prospect, and i see him on a defense like tampa..take advantage of his speed by using him as a freelancer. hopefully this guys intelligence stacks up with his god given physical talents.

ellsy82
01-26-2011, 11:44 AM
Vernon....Gholston...

brasho
01-26-2011, 12:07 PM
Vernon....Gholston...

Way way off on that one. The big difference between Moch and Gholston is that Moch consistently puts up good tackle numbers. Gholston on the other hand, never had tackle numbers that suggested he had any kind of motor. Moch consistently took on double teams designed to stop him, so Nevada devised schemes where he would routinely take on OGs head up and he would blow through and by them. He was an absolute terror on every play....unlike Gholston who would flash 2-3X a game but was a nonfactor otherwise.

Check out Gholston's numbers, off the top of my head he had 37 or so tackles his junior year, 17 of those were sacks... He made 20 tackles in an entire 13-14 game season that weren't sacks... BAD MOTOR! These two guys are nothing alike. Moch gives maximum effort for his little frame. Effort is not his question mark,now his questions are his size and can he transistion to LB in the NFL.

brasho
01-26-2011, 12:08 PM
at 6'1,229, sounds like he could compete at safety, maybe they school give him a look.

Theres a guy named keenan clayton who played for oklahoma..not near as fast as this guy is said to be but, still 4.4 material. he came in to play SS for them at 6'1, 205-210ish. he was moved to ROLB because of his strength and lateral movement, ability to stop the run. he left OU at 6'1,230 and now plays for the philidelphia eagles.

If he is indeed this fast, and can relay that to the field, this guys is a HUGE sleeper prospect, and i see him on a defense like tampa..take advantage of his speed by using him as a freelancer. hopefully this guys intelligence stacks up with his god given physical talents.

I don't think Tampa's gap control defense could handle a "free lancer". If he were to go to Tampa he would go in as a Sam and likely stay on in the Nickle to rush the passer.

foozball
01-26-2011, 04:44 PM
If Vernon Davis can run 4.38 at 250lbs, this Moch kid better run 4.25

brasho
01-26-2011, 04:49 PM
If Vernon Davis can run 4.38 at 250lbs, this Moch kid better run 4.25

Yeah, because 4.38's fall out of trees. I mean who doesn't run 4.38? I run 4.38 to the mailbox, 4.25 if I'm expecting something important.

descendency
01-26-2011, 05:40 PM
at 6'1,229, sounds like he could compete at safety, maybe they school give him a look.

Theres a guy named keenan clayton who played for oklahoma..not near as fast as this guy is said to be but, still 4.4 material. he came in to play SS for them at 6'1, 205-210ish. he was moved to ROLB because of his strength and lateral movement, ability to stop the run. he left OU at 6'1,230 and now plays for the philidelphia eagles.

If he is indeed this fast, and can relay that to the field, this guys is a HUGE sleeper prospect, and i see him on a defense like tampa..take advantage of his speed by using him as a freelancer. hopefully this guys intelligence stacks up with his god given physical talents.

He can't play safety if he's stiff. You can't even play linebacker if you are stiff, which most DL are.

fenikz
01-26-2011, 05:46 PM
...you people have gone mad, he is strictly a LB most likey 3-4 Rushbacker

my 40 prediction 4.42

cajuncorey
01-26-2011, 06:02 PM
im going out on a limb(or 4 of them) and say he breaks chris johnsons 4.24 record at the combine

RealityCheck
01-26-2011, 06:37 PM
I predict 4.44.

senormysterioso
01-26-2011, 08:06 PM
It seems like most guys in his position sacrifice some speed to put on some weight for the combine. If I were him I'd go all in on the 40. Even if he drops below 220. Blow everybody away with a sub 4.4 and don't worry about the weight at all. Oakland will take you with one of their first two picks if nobody else bites.

jnew76
01-27-2011, 01:49 AM
If Vernon Davis can run 4.38 at 250lbs, this Moch kid better run 4.25

VD's 4.38 was on the old surface which was faster. That would be about a 4.42 (still freaky good) on the new Indy surface. I am thinking Moch runs in that range 4.42-4.45

brasho
01-27-2011, 07:24 AM
It seems like most guys in his position sacrifice some speed to put on some weight for the combine. If I were him I'd go all in on the 40. Even if he drops below 220. Blow everybody away with a sub 4.4 and don't worry about the weight at all. Oakland will take you with one of their first two picks if nobody else bites.

I'm not sure about their second round pick but I know NE has Oakland's 1st rounder.

descendency
01-27-2011, 09:50 AM
It seems like most guys in his position sacrifice some speed to put on some weight for the combine. If I were him I'd go all in on the 40. Even if he drops below 220. Blow everybody away with a sub 4.4 and don't worry about the weight at all. Oakland will take you with one of their first two picks if nobody else bites.

You'd need to run sub 4.3 at 220 LBs. . . Al Davis is dumb, but he isn't drafting just track athletes.

brasho
01-27-2011, 10:15 AM
You'd need to run sub 4.3 at 220 LBs. . . Al Davis is dumb, but he isn't drafting just track athletes.

No, he's not. Between Heyward-Bey, Stanford Routt, James Jett, Chaz Schielens, Tyvon Branch, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Fabian Washington, James Trapp, and Carlos Francis I don't think there was a shot putter among them.

But seriously, Al doesn't just like speed. He also loves Heisman Trophy winners (Woodson, Tim Brown, and stong-armed (Andrew Walter, Major Harris) underachieving (JaMarcus Russell, Marinovich) QBs too, physical freaks of nature (Chester McGlockton, Darrell Russell, Rickey Dudley, Thomas Howard, Janikowski, Bruce Campbell, and the small-school reaches that nobody sees coming (Bob Buckowski----ok, so Howie Long worked out pretty well, the jury is still out on Veldeheer).

I'd say Al has lots of different players he goes for other than track athletes.

Track guys
Heisman winners
Freakish athletes
and small school reaches

bullg8rdaddy
01-27-2011, 11:22 AM
That pretty much nails it, IMO. ^^^

cajuncorey
01-27-2011, 04:05 PM
No, he's not. Between Heyward-Bey, Stanford Routt, James Jett, Chaz Schielens, Tyvon Branch, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Fabian Washington, James Trapp, and Carlos Francis I don't think there was a shot putter among them.

But seriously, Al doesn't just like speed. He also loves Heisman Trophy winners (Woodson, Tim Brown, and stong-armed (Andrew Walter, Major Harris) underachieving (JaMarcus Russell, Marinovich) QBs too, physical freaks of nature (Chester McGlockton, Darrell Russell, Rickey Dudley, Thomas Howard, Janikowski, Bruce Campbell, and the small-school reaches that nobody sees coming (Bob Buckowski----ok, so Howie Long worked out pretty well, the jury is still out on Veldeheer).

I'd say Al has lots of different players he goes for other than track athletes.

Track guys
Heisman winners
Freakish athletes
and small school reaches

how is michael mitchell not on this list?!?!?!? scott didnt even have him on his Saftey rankings and he got picked in the 2nd round