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Day One Pick
01-31-2011, 04:08 PM
If you want an explanation for any particular picks just ask. I will offer an explanation for pick #35 because it will raise the most questions. Two things happen almost every draft. One being some surprising picks, and two being the Buffalo Bills reaching for somebody. I think after an up close look at Christian Ponder and the chance to begin to form a relationship with him the Bills will find themselves enamored with him. He won't have to start immediatly and can be developed into starter by year 2 or 3.

ROUND ONE

1. Carolina Panthers - Nick Fairley, DT, 6-4, 298, Auburn *

2. Denver Broncos - Da'Quan Bowers, DE, 6-4, 278, Clemson*

3. Buffalo Bills - Von Miller, OLB, 6-2, 240, Texas A&M

4. Cincinnati Bengals - Patrick Peterson, S, 6-1, 210, Louisiana State*

5. Arizona Cardinals - Cameron Newton, QB, 6-6, 250, Auburn*

6. Cleveland Browns - A.J. Green, WR, 6-4, 208, Georgia*

7. San Francisco 49ers - Prince Amukamara, CB, 6-1, 200, Nebraska

8. Tennessee Titans - Adrian Clayborn, DE, 6-3, 282, Iowa

9. Dallas Cowboys - Gabe Carimi, OT, 6-8, 300, Wisconsin

10. Washington Redskins - Marcell Dareus, NT, 6-3, 306, Alabama*

11. Houston Texans - Robert Quinn, OLB, 6-5, 268, North Carolina*

12. Minnesota Vikings - Nate Solder, OT, 6-8, 300, Colorado

13. Detroit Lions - Anthony Costonzo, OT, 6-7, 300, Boston College

14. St. Louis Rams - Julio Jones, WR, 6-4, 212, Alabama*

15. Miami Dolphins - Mark Ingram, RB, 5-10, 215, Alabama*

16. Jacksonville Jaguars - Blaine Gabbert, QB, 6-5, 240, Missouri*

17. New England Patriots (from OAK) - Aldon Smith, OLB, 6-5, 255, Missouri#

18. San Diego Chargers - Cameron Jordan, DE, 6-4, 285, California

19. New York Giants - Tyron Smith, OT, 6-6, 285, Southern California*

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Ryan Kerrigan, DE, 6-4, 263, Purdue

21. Kansas City Chiefs - Justin Houston, OLB, 6-3, 260, Georgia *

22. Indianapolis Colts - Brandon Harris, CB, 5-11, 195, Miami*

23. New Orleans Saints - Akeem Ayers, OLB, 6-4, 252, UCLA

24. Philadelphia Eagles - Cameron Heyward, DT, 6-6, 287, Ohio State

25. Seattle Seahawks - Michael Pouncey, OG, 6-5, 312, Florida

26. Baltimore Ravens - Jimmy Smith, CB, 6-2, 210, Colorado

27. Atlanta Falcons - Derek Sherrod, OT, 6-6, 305, Mississippi State

28. New England Patriots - J.J. Watt, DE, 6-6, 292, Wisconsin*

29. New York Jets - Phil Taylor, NT, 6-4, 355, Baylor

30. Chicago Bears - Marcus Gilbert, OT, 6-6, 318, Florida

31. Green Bay Packers - Aaron Williams, CB, 6-1, 190, Texas*

32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Stephen Paea, NT, 6-1, 312, Oregon State



ROUND TWO

33. New England Patriots (from CAR) - Stefen Wisniewski, OG, 6-3, 298, Penn State

34. Denver Broncos - Bruce Carter, OLB, 6-3, 235, North Carolina

35. Buffalo Bills - Christian Ponder, QB, 6-3, 220, Florida State

36. Cincinnati Bengals - Jonathan Baldwin, WR, 6-5, 225, Pitt*

37. Arizona Cardinals - Jabaal Sheard, OLB, 6-4, 260, Pitt

38. Cleveland Browns - Allen Bailey, DE, 6-4, 288, Miami

39. San Francisco 49ers - Jake Locker, QB, 6-3, 222, Washington

40. Tennessee Titans - Ryan Mallett, QB, 6-5, 255, Arkansas*

41. Dallas Cowboys - Rahim Moore, FS, 6-1, 197, UCLA*

42. Washington Redskins - Andy Dalton, QB, 6-2, 220, Texas Christian

43. Houston Texans - Quinton Carter, FS, 6-1, 195, Oklahoma

44. Minnesota Vikings - John Moffitt, OG, 6-4, 325, Wisconsin

45. Detroit Lions - Davon House, CB, 6-0, 185, New Mexico State

46. St. Louis Rams - Kyle Rudolph, TE, 6-6, 260, Notre Dame*

47. Denver Broncos (from MIA) - Drake Nevis, DT, 6-1, 292, Louisiana State

48. Jacksonville Jaguars - Titus Young, WR, 6-0, 170, Boise State

49. Oakland Raiders - Marvin Austin, DT, 6-3, 305, North Carolina

50. San Diego Chargers - Jerrell Powe, NT, 6-2, 320, Mississippi *

51. New York Giants - Mikel LeShoure, RB, 6-0, 230, Illinois*

52. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Jeremy Beal, DE, 6-3, 260, Oklahoma

53. Kansas City Chiefs - Randall Cobb, WR, 5-11, 188, Kentucky *

54. Indianapolis Colts - Danny Watkins, OG, 6-4, 310, Baylor

55. New Orleans Saints - Greg Romeus, DE, 6-5, 265, Pitt

56. Philadelphia Eagles - Ras-I Dowling, CB, 6-2, 195, Virginia

57. Seattle Seahawks - Jurrell Casey, DT, 6-1, 295, Southern California*

58. Baltimore Ravens - Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, 6-5, 300, Temple*

59. Atlanta Falcons - Leonard Hankerson, WR, 6-3, 215, Miami

60. New England Patriots - Daniel Thomas, RB, 6-2, 227, Kansas State

61. New York Jets - Cory Liuget, DE, 6-3, 300, Illinois *

62. Chicago Bears - Brandon Burton, CB, 6-0, 185, Utah*

63. Green Bay Packers - Casey Matthews, ILB, 6-2, 235, Oregon

64. Pittsburgh Steelers - Marcus Cannon, OG, 6-5, 348, Texas Christian


ROUND THREE

65. Carolina Panthers - Dwayne Harris, WR, 5-10, 205, East Carolina

66. Denver Broncos - Brandon Hogan, CB, 5-10, 190, West Virginia

67. Buffalo Bills - Joseph Barksdale, OT, 6-5, 315, Louisiana State

68. Cincinnati Bengals - DeMarco Murray, RB, 6-1, 208, Oklahoma

69. Arizona Cardinals - Kris O'Dowd, C, 6-5, 300, Southern California

70. Cleveland Browns - Dontay Moch, OLB, 6-1, 240, Nevada

71. San Francisco 49ers - Rodney Hudson, OG, 6-2, 290, Florida State

72. Tennessee Titans - Austin Pettis, WR, 6-3, 202, Boise State

73. Dallas Cowboys - Christian Ballard, DE, 6-4, 288, Iowa

74. New Orleans Saints (from WAS)* - Jarvis Jenkins, DT, 6-4, 320, Clemson

75. Houston Texans - DeMarcus Love, OG, 6-5, 315, Arkansas

76. New England Patriots (from MIN) - Torrey Smith, WR, 6-1, 200, Maryland*

77. Detroit Lions - Ugo Chinasa, DE, 6-6, 255, Oklahoma State

78. St. Louis Rams - Ahmad Black, S, 5-10, 190, Florida

79. Miami Dolphins - Orlando Franklin, OG, 6-7, 318, Miami

80. Jacksonville Jaguars - Robert Sands, FS, 6-4, 215, West Virginia*

81. Oakland Raiders - Colin Kaepernick, QB, 6-6, 215, Nevada

82. San Diego Chargers - Josh Bynes, ILB, 6-2, 240, Auburn

83. New York Giants - Jerrel Jernigan, WR, 5-9, 185, Troy

84. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Jacquizz Rodgers, RB, 5-7, 192, Oregon State*

85. Kansas City Chiefs - Ricky Stanzi, QB, 6-4, 225, Iowa

86. Indianapolis Colts - Greg Jones, LB, 6-1, 224, Michigan State

87. New Orleans Saints - Quan Sturdivant, ILB, 6-2, 232, North Carolina

88. Philadelphia Eagles - Colin McCarthy, ILB, 6-3, 242, Miami

89. San Diego Chargers (from SEA) - Tyler Sash, SS, 6-1, 210, Iowa *

90. Baltimore Ravens - Greg Little, WR, 6-3, 210, North Carolina

91. Atlanta Falcons - Sam Acho, DE, 6-3, 260, Texas

92. New England Patriots - Darius Morris, OT, 6-4, 318, Temple

93. San Diego Chargers (from NYJ) - Kendrick Ellis, NT, 6-5, 340, Hampton

94. Chicago Bears - Shiloh Keo, SS, 5-11, 216, Idaho

95. Green Bay Packers - Ryan Williams, RB, 5-10, 210, Virginia Tech#

96. Pittsburgh Steelers - Dion Lewis, RB, 5-8, 195, Pitt#

GB12
01-31-2011, 04:12 PM
The only pick I really have a problem with is Casey Matthews. He's Clay's brother, I get it, but that's no reason to reach for him in the second when we have no need for an inside linebacker.

bucfan12
01-31-2011, 04:14 PM
I like Tampa's draft, however I don't think they double up on DE, especially with Beal, who kind of showed he can't play with his hand in the dirt at the Senior Bowl.

Give us Ros I Dowling in the 2nd and convert him to FS.

In the 3rd, I think Shane Vereen would be a better choice at RB.

bucfan12
01-31-2011, 04:22 PM
The only pick I really have a problem with is Casey Matthews. He's Clay's brother, I get it, but that's no reason to reach for him in the second when we have no need for an inside linebacker.

Agree. He's not the type of player his brother is and is a 4th/5th round guy. 2nd is too early for him.

Also, John Moffit is not a 2nd round prospect either. 3rd/4th round guy.

Grizzlegom
01-31-2011, 04:24 PM
Good phins picks!

Unbiased
01-31-2011, 04:28 PM
Gabbert is a good pick. Young isn't. Tate isn't in the draft.

Day One Pick
01-31-2011, 04:50 PM
Agree. He's not the type of player his brother is and is a 4th/5th round guy. 2nd is too early for him.

Also, John Moffit is not a 2nd round prospect either. 3rd/4th round guy.

I think Casey Matthews is worth a 3rd round pick. The end of the second is close enough and I feel with how Clay has worked out they wouldn't hesitate to add him to the roster. Clay wasn't suppossed to be the player he's become...neither was Clay or Bruce.

Moffitt is a beast.

Unbiased
01-31-2011, 04:52 PM
I think Casey Matthews is worth a 3rd round pick. The end of the second is close enough and I feel with how Clay has worked out they wouldn't hesitate to add him to the roster. Clay wasn't suppossed to be the player he's become...neither was Clay or Bruce.

Moffitt is a beast.

The packers traded back into the first round to get Clay. A lot was expected of him.

prock
01-31-2011, 04:59 PM
As much as I don't like this Vikings draft, completely revamping the offensive line like this would be pretty awesome.

Day One Pick
01-31-2011, 05:02 PM
The packers traded back into the first round to get Clay. A lot was expected of him.

Well yeah apparently by the Packers, but the concensus around here and many other outlets was that he wasn't exactly all that. I'm saying because of their opinion of Clay then and given his actual success they very well could feel the same about Casey.

akvikefan89
01-31-2011, 05:14 PM
I stopped reading when I saw us pick Solder at #12...

Nalej
01-31-2011, 05:16 PM
Don't the Chargers have the Jet's 2nd rdr? Not their third? I could be wrong.

As far as the Pats mock... it's a very realistic one that I could see happening
So I'll just put in my personal input into it...
R.Kerrigan > A.Smith , other than that... I really can't complain

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
01-31-2011, 05:20 PM
**** my balls.

Hermstheman83
01-31-2011, 05:24 PM
Definately a good draft for Kansas City! Addresses our needs(except nose tackle). Not sure if I like the short wide reciever from kentucky though. I guess he would be a great wide out opposite D-Bowe.

49erNation85
01-31-2011, 05:30 PM
That is a dream 49ers draft there.Locker in the second and Amuk is major excitement going on.

Pat Sims 90
01-31-2011, 05:32 PM
I cant see the Bengals taking a Safety that high seems the Bengals dont vaule Safety postion as much as other teams.

I like Baldwin as a prospect but idk if the Bengals would take him because of problems with diva WRs in the past.

Murray is not what they need at RB Murray is going to be a 3rd down back and change of pace back which the Bengals already have in Scott and Leonard.

Better Draft for Bengals would be

1.AJ Green
2.John Moffitt or Marcus Cannon
3.Ryan Williams or Ricky Stanzi

GB12
01-31-2011, 05:33 PM
I think Casey Matthews is worth a 3rd round pick. The end of the second is close enough and I feel with how Clay has worked out they wouldn't hesitate to add him to the roster. Clay wasn't suppossed to be the player he's become...neither was Clay or Bruce.

Moffitt is a beast.

Even if you feel he's a second round pick, we still don't need an ILB. We have Bishop, Barnett, Hawk, and Chillar. Even if Hawk or Barnett is traded we'll probably just keep Francois or move Poppinga inside. I guess we could pick one up in the 6th or 7th, we sure as hell don't need one in the second.

jCut
01-31-2011, 05:46 PM
Denver draft is decent.

TheSlinger
01-31-2011, 05:56 PM
No way the Jags will take Titus Young, he doesn't fit the character requirements of GM Gene. Rounds 1 and 3 are very good; although I wouldn't be at all surprised if they double up and grab Kaepernick in the 3rd there.

Nebula
01-31-2011, 05:57 PM
Very poor draft for the Giants. They aren't going to draft offensive skill positions in the first 3 rounds, especially receiver! Steve smith will most likely not leave

vidae
01-31-2011, 06:17 PM
You had me (for KC) until Stanzi.

xpmar9x
01-31-2011, 07:18 PM
i'd be alright with the Titans draft... until I saw our 3rd rounder. We don't need a WR, at all.

49erNation85
01-31-2011, 09:16 PM
No way the Jags will take Titus Young, he doesn't fit the character requirements of GM Gene. Rounds 1 and 3 are very good; although I wouldn't be at all surprised if they double up and grab Kaepernick in the 3rd there.

Ha really ?I think this kid has really no off the field issues as it gets for a WR.Plus he comes from Boise State Jags need all the WR help they can get.

TheSlinger
01-31-2011, 09:17 PM
Ha really ?I think this kid has really no off the field issues as it gets for a WR.Plus he comes from Boise State Jags need all the WR help they can get.

Young was suspended my the team for ten games for undisclosed reasons. He was given an 18-month ban from talking to the media. I believe it was Hallam who described his personality as being "similar to Ochocinco".

Brown Leader
01-31-2011, 10:08 PM
AJ Green is understandable but Bailey-stock ought to drop after senior week and I had him as a mid second before the practices, and Moch-despite size still more suited for a 34 defense and he'd have to come close to those rumored times to go as a high 3rd imo, no thanks.

bullg8rdaddy
01-31-2011, 10:14 PM
Not too shabby.

thebow305
02-01-2011, 12:10 AM
Ingram is a solid pick, and there's almost zero chance that Blaine Gabbert falls to that point, but if he did, we couldn't pass on him!

Gabbert and Ryan Williams would be a much better combo in that situation. We can get a solid guard in the 4th.

AntoinCD
02-01-2011, 02:39 AM
Overall not a bad Patriots mock. I think at OLB the Pats are more likely to take Kerrigan or Houston than Smith, despite Smith having by far the highest upside.

The second is not bad although Im not that keen on taking a RB high.

In the third I believe Ahmad Black is more likely to be the pick than Torrey Smith and at the end of the third I would prefer to take Brooks Reed. It's not uncommon for the Pats to take multiple players at one position if there's good value. At the end of the third there is great value for Reed.

Abaddon
02-01-2011, 05:00 AM
49. Oakland Raiders - Marvin Austin, DT, 6-3, 305, North Carolina

Dear god no. The team has been moving away from the talented underachievers. Austin just doesn't fit the current mold.

81. Oakland Raiders - Colin Kaepernick, QB, 6-6, 215, Nevada

Al reaffirmed his Jason Campbell = Jim Plunkett assertion during the last press conference. Drafting a QB, at least this high, is out of the question. Al's riding with Campbell.

Day One Pick
02-01-2011, 06:14 AM
Dear god no. The team has been moving away from the talented underachievers. Austin just doesn't fit the current mold.



Al reaffirmed his Jason Campbell = Jim Plunkett assertion during the last press conference. Drafting a QB, at least this high, is out of the question. Al's riding with Campbell.

But Kaepernick will have a good 40 time...

no bare feet
02-01-2011, 08:44 AM
Some itneresting picks which you declared, but I dont get why you prefaced the mock with saying some picks you won't like.

It seem you are attempting to make a mock with some crazy picks jsut for the attention and reaching for certain types of picks just to say you are that guy.

I don't get it. if you feel strong about your convictions about certains players you don't need a neon sign saying I'm trying hard to be different because I really have no idea what I am doing.

no bare feet
02-01-2011, 08:51 AM
If you want an explanation for any particular picks just ask. I will offer an explanation for pick #35 because it will raise the most questions. Two things happen almost every draft. One being some surprising picks, and two being the Buffalo Bills reaching for somebody. I think after an up close look at Christian Ponder and the chance to begin to form a relationship with him the Bills will find themselves enamored with him. He won't have to start immediatly and can be developed into starter by year 2 or 3.

ROUND ONE

9. Dallas Cowboys - Gabe Carimi, OT, 6-8, 300, WisconsinI see the pick, but I don't see Jerry doing it
10. Washington Redskins - Marcell Dareus, NT, 6-3, 306, Alabama*NT really?, explain please


30. Chicago Bears - Marcus Gilbert, OT, 6-6, 318, FloridaRT or LT or back up swing?



55. New Orleans Saints - Greg Romeus, DE, 6-5, 265, Pitt The injury concerns concern me.



ROUND THREE

65. Carolina Panthers - Dwayne Harris, WR, 5-10, 205, East Carolina[b]they have a lot of average number 2/slot guys already. kind of odd pick.




94. [b]Chicago Bears - Shiloh Keo, SS, 5-11, 216, Idahothey have major wright, why not build those trenches more instead of getting a special teamer that will be behind Major?




some notes. I bolded the interesting ones

Day One Pick
02-01-2011, 08:52 AM
Some itneresting picks which you declared, but I dont get why you prefaced the mock with saying some picks you won't like.

It seem you are attempting to make a mock with some crazy picks jsut for the attention and reaching for certain types of picks just to say you are that guy.

I don't get it. if you feel strong about your convictions about certains players you don't need a neon sign saying I'm trying hard to be different because I really have no idea what I am doing.

That's not the case at all. It's a case of me not following the same old run of the mill mock, primarily in how the QB's come off the board. Many feel players like Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett will without a doubt be in the first round and the top 4 QB's will come off the board in that order. A lot of people have a hard time believing anything outside the perceived norm is wrong. Yet every year there are surprises throughout the draft and many seem to forget that.

no bare feet
02-01-2011, 08:54 AM
I hear you and understand where you are coming from. I like a lot of the picks some nice fits and seem like picks those teams would make giving the way your mock has fallen.

scar988
02-01-2011, 08:54 AM
good ATL draft.

Sniper
02-01-2011, 09:03 AM
Why is Philadelphia drafting a 3-4 DE who's not big enough or stout enough to play DT in a 4-3?

More importantly, why do they take that guy ahead of Pouncey, Sherrod, Smith and Williams? Why take an underachiever in Ras-I Dowling a round too early instead of Marcus Cannon?

Day One Pick
02-01-2011, 09:06 AM
some notes. I bolded the interesting ones

-Why is it that you find the Carimi pick surprising? I realize the Cowboys have a long track record of going defense in the 1st round, but their OL is a big need and Carimi would be a good fit. He may or may not be the Cowboys top OT, so the pick could change to another OT. The pick certainly isn't a lock, but I don't think it's that far fetched either. Carimi is getting overlooked IMO.

-I would think Gilbert would eventually be the Bears starting LT.

-15 years ago Greg Romeus would have fallen to undrafted status. Now a days there's not much reason to believe he can't fully recover. Without the injuries Romeus is a top 15 pick. Something a lot of people don't realize about Romeus is he's only been playing football for 5 years now, so the upside is very high if he can fully recover. Could be a steal at that point of the draft.

-Dwayne Harris is more than just a slot receiver. He's a playmaker and a guy who can return kicks. I think adding a playmaker to the Panthers offense and a guy who can be a dangerous return man is much more valuble than adding a bigger possesion type receiver.

-The Bears flip flop their safeties and don't have a true FS/SS position. Keo is a tough, talented football player with a great attitude. He could help them in many aspects.

Day One Pick
02-01-2011, 09:12 AM
Why is Philadelphia drafting a 3-4 DE who's not big enough or stout enough to play DT in a 4-3?

More importantly, why do they take that guy ahead of Pouncey, Sherrod, Smith and Williams? Why take an underachiever in Ras-I Dowling a round too early instead of Marcus Cannon?

I think Heyward would be a great pick for the Eagles. He's versatile and not just a 3-4 DE like you indicate. BTW, the #1 attribute for a 3-4 DE is to be stout at the POA so you contradict yourself there.

Dowling battled through injuries, not to be confused with underachieving. His stock dropped because of the injuries. Is it an assumption on your part that because his stock dropped that he underachieved? At the same time other CB prospects stepped up their game this season.

Sniper
02-01-2011, 09:37 AM
I think Heyward would be a great pick for the Eagles. He's versatile and not just a 3-4 DE like you indicate. BTW, the #1 attribute for a 3-4 DE is to be stout at the POA so you contradict yourself there.

He's not stout enough to be a 4-3 DT. He's more explosive than he is stout. Still, you've yet to explain to me where he would play? DE? Not after the Eagles drafted one in the first round last year and have a Pro Bowler on the other side. DT? Not in a 4-3, unless it's a Cover 2 defense. Why would the Eagles take him ahead of an OL or CB, two of their three most needed positons besides LB?

Dowling battled through injuries, not to be confused with underachieving. His stock dropped because of the injuries. Is it an assumption on your part that because his stock dropped that he underachieved? At the same time other CB prospects stepped up their game this season.

I just don't see Dowling as a corner at the next level nor do I see him as a second-round pick, especially not ahead of the guys on your board.

Day One Pick
02-01-2011, 09:51 AM
He's not stout enough to be a 4-3 DT. He's more explosive than he is stout. Still, you've yet to explain to me where he would play? DE? Not after the Eagles drafted one in the first round last year and have a Pro Bowler on the other side. DT? Not in a 4-3, unless it's a Cover 2 defense. Why would the Eagles take him ahead of an OL or CB, two of their three most needed positons besides LB?



I just don't see Dowling as a corner at the next level nor do I see him as a second-round pick, especially not ahead of the guys on your board.

He would play DT, I have that listed as his position in my mock. He reminds me a lot of Justin Tuck. Tuck played DT at a high level for the Giants and they aren't a cover 2 team.

DT's don't have to be short and fat...

1funguy
02-01-2011, 10:03 AM
Don't the Chargers have the Jet's 2nd rdr? Not their third? I could be wrong.

As far as the Pats mock... it's a very realistic one that I could see happening
So I'll just put in my personal input into it...
R.Kerrigan > A.Smith , other than that... I really can't complain

Yes they do.

Sniper
02-01-2011, 10:03 AM
He would play DT, I have that listed as his position in my mock. He reminds me a lot of Justin Tuck. Tuck played DT at a high level for the Giants and they aren't a cover 2 team.

Sure, we can act like Justin Tuck plays DT every down instead of just in pass-rushing situations. Whatever works best for your argument, even if it's far from the truth.

DT's don't have to be short and fat...

Show me where I said that they did. Right, you can't, because I didn't. If your best example for Heyward playing DT in a 4-3 is a guy who plays defensive end and rotates inside occasionally on passing downs, you've made my point for me.

Maybe you'll start making sense when you come back under a third name.

Day One Pick
02-01-2011, 10:15 AM
Sure, we can act like Justin Tuck plays DT every down instead of just in pass-rushing situations. Whatever works best for your argument, even if it's far from the truth.



Show me where I said that they did. Right, you can't, because I didn't. If your best example for Heyward playing DT in a 4-3 is a guy who plays defensive end and rotates inside occasionally on passing downs, you've made my point for me.

Maybe you'll start making sense when you come back under a third name.

Did Justin Tuck not make the pro bowl a few years ago as a full time DT?

You didn't say Dt's have to be short fat guys but infered that when you threw out the term stout. You said he was't stout even though that's one of the top attributes for a 3-4 DE which you indicated Heyward is limited to.

EdReedUnstoppable
02-01-2011, 10:21 AM
I like Smith but would hate the pick with Baldwin still on the board as Jon Baldwin is a perfect 1st round pick for us. Not a huge Wilkerson fan, seems to me to burn out too fast on the field and he doesn't have the 360lb excuse Cody has for us. And I love Greg Little so if we did grab Smith in rd 1 Little would be an excellent pick up in rd 3 for us.

Day One Pick
02-01-2011, 10:29 AM
I like Smith but would hate the pick with Baldwin still on the board as Jon Baldwin is a perfect 1st round pick for us. Not a huge Wilkerson fan, seems to me to burn out too fast on the field and he doesn't have the 360lb excuse Cody has for us. And I love Greg Little so if we did grab Smith in rd 1 Little would be an excellent pick up in rd 3 for us.

I'm a Steelers fan, so I hope the Ravens make all the wrong picks, lol.

Sniper
02-01-2011, 10:42 AM
Did Justin Tuck not make the pro bowl a few years ago as a full time DT?

No, he didn't. You know why? Because he's not a defensive tackle. He's a defensive
end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Pro_Bowl
Defensive end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Pro_Bowl
Defensive end.

You didn't say Dt's have to be short fat guys but infered that when you threw out the term stout. You said he was't stout even though that's one of the top attributes for a 3-4 DE which you indicated Heyward is limited to.

I didn't infer ****. I said he's not stout enough, as in not strong enough at the POA, to hold up as a full-time DT in a non-Cover 2 defense. Keep trying to put words in my mouth, though.

the_dark_knight
02-01-2011, 10:55 AM
Falcons could really use some more explosive players, but honestly, this is a very solid Falcons draft. The only pick I question is Acho, but DE is a major need for us, so I could see it as a very real possibility as well. Nice job for the Falcons.

K Train
02-01-2011, 10:58 AM
not crazy about paea in the first but im on board with cannon and lewis

K Train
02-01-2011, 10:59 AM
tuck played a ton of DT when osi and strahan were the starters

Sniper
02-01-2011, 11:04 AM
tuck played a ton of DT when osi and strahan were the starters

As a situational pass-rusher, sure. As a full-time DT? No.

Day One Pick
02-01-2011, 11:04 AM
No, he didn't. You know why? Because he's not a defensive tackle. He's a defensive
end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Pro_Bowl
Defensive end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Pro_Bowl
Defensive end.



I didn't infer ****. I said he's not stout enough, as in not strong enough at the POA, to hold up as a full-time DT in a non-Cover 2 defense. Keep trying to put words in my mouth, though.

OK, so he wasn't a Pro Bowler as a DT, my mistake. Non the less he played DT full time at a high level during the course of his career.

If that's your opinion of Heyward not being stout and strong at the POA you need to quit considering him a 3-4 DE. Apparently you don't understand the position. A 3-4 DE is essentially a DT. When a 3-4 DT makes the Pro Bowl they play DT. You refered to Heyward as explosive...that would indicate he should be a rush end.

Sniper
02-01-2011, 11:07 AM
Non the less he played DT full time.

No, he ******* hasn't. Get it through your head. Justin Tuck has never played and will never play defensive tackle full-time.

If that's your opinion of Heyward not being stout and strong at the POA you need to quit considering him a 3-4 DE. Apparently you don't understand the position. A 3-4 DE is essentially a DT. When a 3-4 DT makes the Pro Bowl they play DT. You refered to Heyward as explosive...that would indicate he should be a rush end.

I've got to hand it to you. You're certainly trying your damndest to put words in my mouth and attribute things to me that I never said. I never referred to Heyward as explosive. I said he is more explosive than stout in terms of an interior lineman. Again, stop ******* trying to put words in my mouth. Thanks.

Day One Pick
02-01-2011, 11:17 AM
No, he ******* hasn't. Get it through your head. Justin Tuck has never played and will never play defensive tackle full-time.



I've got to hand it to you. You're certainly trying your damndest to put words in my mouth and attribute things to me that I never said. I never referred to Heyward as explosive. I said he is more explosive than stout in terms of an interior lineman. Again, stop ******* trying to put words in my mouth. Thanks.

More explosive than stout would indicate he's better suited to be a rush end than a 5 tech (5 tech means 3-4 DE BTW).

Didn't put words in your mouth, that's what you said. You just now threw in the "in terms of an interior lineman" part.

BTW, are you aware Heyward played as much or more DT than DE during his career at Ohio State?

Sniper
02-01-2011, 11:23 AM
More explosive than stout would indicate he's better suited to be a rush end than a 5 tech

Not necessarily. I didn't say he had the first step of Robert Quinn, for Christ's sake. I said as an interior DL, he's more explosive than stout. He's not fast enough to be a rush end.

(5 tech means 3-4 DE BTW).

Gee thanks. Can you explain to me what QB means, too?

Didn't put words in your mouth, that's what you said.

I said that he's better suited to be a rush end? News to me.

BTW, are you aware Heyward played as much or more DT than DE during his career at Ohio State?

Are you aware that he played a ton of 3-4 DE at Ohio State because they ran a 3.5-3.5 a lot of the time? Are you aware that the position you play in college isn't always the one you play in the pros?

Cam Heyward is not a 4-3 DT unless it's a Cover 2 defense. He's either a power end in a 4-3 or a 5-tech. That's it. Philly does not run a Cover 2 defense, therefore the odds of them picking Heyward as a DT are about 0.0000000000000000001 percent.

Tell me more about Justin Tuck being a full-time DT even though it never happened, though. I'm intrigued.

K Train
02-01-2011, 11:47 AM
i do think heyward could play DT in a 43, but it would be a waste of his talents...kinda like canty in NY

StrikeAnywhere
02-01-2011, 11:51 AM
Just FYI - Your draft order is slightly off. Denver picks 2nd in the first round, 4th in the second round and 3rd in the third.

I'm not sure about the rest of the teams, I didn't look too hard beyond the Broncos draft.

Teams who tie for record rotate down in order throughout the draft with the teams they tied with. Dont know if that will have any effect on other teams picks, but you should be aware.

It's a good Denver draft, although they are in much more need of help at DT than DE, and I would personally be sad if they waited until the 3rd round to draft a CB.

crites09
02-01-2011, 12:27 PM
I cant see the Bengals taking a Safety that high seems the Bengals dont vaule Safety postion as much as other teams.

I like Baldwin as a prospect but idk if the Bengals would take him because of problems with diva WRs in the past.

Murray is not what they need at RB Murray is going to be a 3rd down back and change of pace back which the Bengals already have in Scott and Leonard.

Better Draft for Bengals would be

1.AJ Green
2.John Moffitt or Marcus Cannon
3.Ryan Williams or Ricky Stanzi

I want Benjamin Ijalana in the 2nd round the man is going to be a beast. Also fine with John Miffitt as well. 3rd Round I could see safety being addressed likes of DeAndre McDaniel

Monomach
02-01-2011, 12:52 PM
**** my balls.

I agree. Maybe the worst Bears mock of the year.

scottyboy
02-01-2011, 01:00 PM
the only time Tuck ever played DT was in rotation with Strahan and Osi on passing downs. He never played DT anywhere close to "full time". That's mistake number one.
Mistake 2: A WR? REALLY? why don't you just give us another pass rushing DE. ugh

vikes_28
02-01-2011, 01:22 PM
Solder at #12 is a bit of a reach. But none the less i like the Oline help.

Abaddon
02-01-2011, 02:15 PM
But Kaepernick will have a good 40 time...

You're so not funny...

Jakey
02-01-2011, 03:15 PM
I can dig that Steelers mock! :D

Menardo75
02-01-2011, 04:12 PM
Dream situation for the niners there.

redbills
02-02-2011, 01:13 PM
If that is the Bills draft I'd have to kill 20 people to get over it.

StripedWalrus
02-02-2011, 04:52 PM
I cant see the Bengals taking a Safety that high seems the Bengals dont vaule Safety postion as much as other teams.


Alot of people said the same thing about TE last year. They were wrong.

SimonRath
02-02-2011, 07:34 PM
Derek Sherrod gave me a boner.
Leonard Hankerson gave me pleasure.
Sam Acho made me bust a load.

Day One Pick
02-02-2011, 07:52 PM
Derek Sherrod gave me a boner.
Leonard Hankerson gave me pleasure.
Sam Acho made me bust a load.

Glad I could help.

SimonRath
02-02-2011, 08:14 PM
Glad I could help.

my girlfriend is pissed at you now.

VoiceofReason
02-02-2011, 08:56 PM
I'm liking how you have Denver drafting a player from each level of the defense. I would prefer patrick peterson 1st but I wouldn't mind Bowers 1st and Hogan 3rd. Good draft.

draftguru151
02-02-2011, 09:03 PM
Darnik is one condescending mofo.

gpngc
02-02-2011, 09:08 PM
I could see Seattle doing that.

I like the Carimi "surprise" at #9.

I think Arizona will get a veteran QB to go along with their two youngsters.

I like Quizz to the Bucs.

A lot of picks that don't fit the "BPA based on internet rankings in February + team's supposedly biggest need" criteria which is very good.

703SKINS202
02-05-2011, 12:54 PM
Andy Dalton round 2 explain the **** out of yourself.

T-RICH49
02-05-2011, 01:30 PM
You had me (for KC) until Stanzi.

this+infinity

draftguru151
02-05-2011, 01:49 PM
But he goes to Iowa....

Matthew Jones
02-05-2011, 02:12 PM
The first round looks good for New England, although I think they're more likely to take Kerrigan than Aldon Smith. I suppose it could be up for debate though. Cameron Jordan is also possible if Belichick sees him as a great fit, but I like Watt too. Wisniewski is a great pick. I'd be upset if Hankerson went one pick before #60, but I don't think Daniel Thomas is a good choice. His blocking, receiving, and ball security are all big issues, he's going to be 24, and he runs too upright. DeMarco Murray would be my choice there even though he unfortunately shares the upright running style - he's just so much more explosive than Thomas is, and a much more well-rounded player (71 catches in 2010.) I'd also prefer Jernigan to Torrey Smith - I think Belichick would see some Harvin similarities there in the ways you can gameplan with him and get him the ball from a variety of different looks. I don't know enough about Darius Morris to really offer any advice on that one.