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gpngc
01-31-2011, 11:25 PM
*Tell me why it's a bad pick.

Good reasons: GM drafting tendencies, scheme, recent games of that player suggest he's not actually a top-100 pick (you should only use this reason if you've seen the guy play).

Bad reasons: you don't like the player, that's not our biggest need, there's "no way" he'll go that high (or low), _____ plz.

Round 1

1. Carolina (2-14): Nick Fairley
2. Denver (4-12): Da'Quan Bowers
3. Buffalo (4-12): Cam Newton
4. Cincinnati (4-12): Blaine Gabbert
5. Arizona (5-11): Patrick Peterson
6. Cleveland (5-11): A.J. Green
7. San Francisco (6-10): Prince Amukamara
8. Tennessee (6-10): Marcell Dareus
9. Dallas (6-10): Cameron Jordan
10. Washington (6-10): Julio Jones
11. Houston (6-10): Von Miller
12. Minnesota (6-10): Stefen Wisiniewski
13. Detroit (6-10): Akeem Ayers
14. St. Louis (7-9): Mark Ingram
15. Miami (7-9): Mikel LeShoure
16. Jacksonville (8-8): Ryan Kerrigan
17. New England - from Oakland (8-8): Gabe Carimi
18. San Diego (9-7): J.J. Watt
19. New York Giants (10-6): Tyron Smith
20. Tampa Bay (10-6): Aldon Smith
21. Kansas City* (10-6): Justin Houston
22. Indianapolis* (10-6): Nate Solder
23. Philadelphia* (10-6): Aaron Williams
24. New Orleans* (11-5): Corey Liuget
25. Seattle* (7-9): Jimmy Smith
26. Baltimore* (12-4): Cameron Heyward
27. Atlanta* (13-3): Robert Quinn
28. New England* (14-2): Brandon Burton
29. Chicago* (11-5): Derek Sherrod
30. New York Jets* (11-5): Rahim Moore
31. Green Bay* (10-6): Anthony Costanzo
32. Pittsburgh* (12-4): Benjamin Ijalana

Round 2

1. New England - from Carolina (2-14): Christian Ballard
2. Buffalo (4-12): Adrian Clayborn
3. Cincinnati (4-12): Quinton Carter
4. Denver (4-12): Stephen Paea
5. Cleveland (5-11): Jurrell Casey
6. Arizona (5-11): Martez Wilson
7. Tennessee (6-10): Ryan Mallett
8. Dallas (6-10): Davon House
9. Washington (6-10): Jake Locker
10. Houston (6-10): Muhammad Wilkerson
11. Minnesota (6-10): Bruce Carter
12. Detroit (6-10): Brandon Harris
13. San Francisco (6-10): Sam Acho
14. Denver - from Miami (7-9): Kyle Rudolph
15. St. Louis (7-9): Phil Taylor
16. Oakland (8-8): Mike Pouncey
17. Jacksonville (8-8): Christian Ponder
18. San Diego (9-7): Jerrel Jernigan
19. Tampa Bay (10-6): Jerrard Tarrant
20. New York Giants (10-6): Jordan Todman
21. Indianapolis* (10-6): Drake Nevis
22. Philadelphia* (10-6): Jason Pinkston
23. Kansas City* (10-6): Leonard Hankerson
24. New Orleans* (11-5): Pernell McPhee
25. Seattle* (7-9): Marvin Austin
26. Baltimore* (12-4): Torrey Smith
27. Atlanta* (13-3): Titus Young
28. New England* (14-2): Brooks Reed
29. San Diego - from New York Jets* (11-5): Ahmad Black
30. Chicago* (11-5): Jonathan Baldwin
31. Green Bay* (10-6): Jeremy Beal
32. Pittsburgh* (12-4): Ras-I Dowling

Round 3

1. Carolina (2-14): Lance Kendricks
2. Cincinnati (4-12): Greg Little
3. Denver (4-12): Jarvis Jenkins
4. Buffalo (4-12): D.J. Williams
5. Arizona (5-11): Jabaal Sheard
6. Cleveland (5-11): Johnny Patrick
7. Dallas (6-10): Marcus Cannon
8. New Orleans - from Washington (6-10): Lawrence Wilson
9. Houston (6-10): Randall Cobb
10. New England - from Minnesota (6-10): Cecil Shorts
11. Detroit (6-10): Rodney Hudson
12. San Francisco (6-10): Shareece Wright
13. Tennessee (6-10): Mason Foster
14. St. Louis (7-9): Quan Sturdivant
15. Miami (7-9): Orlando Franklin
16. Jacksonville (8-8): Vincent Brown
17. Oakland (8-8): Kenrick Ellis
18. San Diego (9-7): Greg Jones
19. New York Giants (10-6): Jalil Brown
20. Tampa Bay (10-6): Danny Watkins
21. Philadelphia* (10-6): Jaiqwan Jarrett
22. Kansas City* (10-6): Tandon Doss
23. Indianapolis* (10-6): Curtis Brown
24. New Orleans* (11-5): Daniel Thomas
25. San Diego - from Seattle* (7-9): Kendric Burney
26. Baltimore* (12-4): Ryan Williams
27. Atlanta* (13-3): Jacquizz Rodgers
28. New England* (14-2): Dwayne Harris
29. Chicago* (11-5): John Moffitt
30. New York Jets* (11-5): K.J. Wright
31. Green Bay* (10-6): Jerrell Powe
32. Pittsburgh* (12-4): Kendall Hunter

Matthew Jones
02-01-2011, 12:00 AM
It'd be a travesty if the Patriots passed on Robert Quinn at #17, but he won't fall that far down. Brandon Burton is a huge reach and doesn't even fill a major need with Bodden/McCourty penciled in as the starters for next year. Ballard is decent but I'd rather have Muhammad Wilkerson there. Nice pick with Brooks Reed there. The Patriots have a lot of WRs on roster already so I don't think they draft two. Maybe one.

49erNation85
02-01-2011, 12:03 AM
I think you for got to draft SF a QB in the second round .Love the first pick for the CB . Dunno about Acho might be to high.Descent 3rd tho .

thebow305
02-01-2011, 12:07 AM
Not the most exciting Phins draft, but fills some big needs. Not bad.

AntoinCD
02-01-2011, 02:48 AM
Really not feeling this Pats mock to be honest. I wouldn't mind Carimi at 17, only if the top players they would target are off the board.

Players with a realistic shot of being there at 17 the Pats would target IMO

Julio Jones, Cameron Jordan, Ryan Kerrigan, Robert Quinn, Aldon Smith, Justin Houston, JJ Watt, Cameron Heyward, Nate Solder.

Only Jones, Jordan and Kerrigan of those players listed are gone, and with the exception of Solder I would prefer any other player on the list before Carimi.

At 28 I really dislike the Burton pick. I only think CB will be a first round selection if the value is too good to pass on, ie PP or Prince start falling.

No complaints with the second round. Ballard is a nice fit, although a little soft, and Reed could be a very good pass rusher at OLB.

In the third, I dont like Shorts as he's not the type of WR we need and I think the value for Hudson is too good to pass up, whether he play OG or C. I think exactly the same thing about Harris

akvikefan89
02-01-2011, 03:58 AM
I would be furious if the Vikings did that at #12. You say "There's no way he'll go that high" is a bad reason to bash the pick, but that makes no sense. You put a guy ranked around the bottom of round 1 or the top of round 2 by just about every draft analyst out at pick #12 overall, people have a right to strongly disagree. Wiesniewski at #12 is a mega-reach, and passing on Locker/Mallett just makes it worse.

But I'll play by those "Good reasons" rules for a second: The Vikings have not drafted O-Lineman in round 1 since 2002, and that was an offensive tackle in Bryant McKinnie. Since 1986, in all rounds, the Vikings have drafted 3 centers (2 if you count Ryan Cook as an offensive tackle, which is the only position he's played for us.) NFL Draft history-wise, the last time a Center was taken in the top 12 picks was 1976.

We could use an upgrade at Center, but have to use a later pick.

Even if we don't go the QB route, Akeem Ayers (Vikings used a mid-1st rounder on Chad Greenway in 2006 and had success, need a new OLB opposite him) or JJ Watt (LE Ray Edwards leaving, no good replacement) would be solid picks.


In round 2 (although I don't mind Carter) I would think the Vikings would take Brandon Harris, seeing as Cedric Griffin has 2 shredded knees, and Chris Cook's knees seem to be from the same DNA. That leaves and aging Winfield and scrubs. Pouncey or Ponder (if no round 1 QB) would also be good fits.

shylo3716
02-01-2011, 10:56 AM
Brandon Harris is not a 2nd Round talent. 1 bad game vs Michael Floyd won't make him fall that far.

the_dark_knight
02-01-2011, 10:59 AM
Quizz doesn't fit the Falcons profile, not saying I don't want him, just saying that he doesn't really fit what TD has done here so far. I really like this draft for the Falcons a ton though. Hits on my biggest concerns really, and I think after hearing Thomas Dimitroff talking about needing more explosive plays, that both the 2nd and 3rd round picks fit that description

ChicagoBearsVet23
02-01-2011, 11:03 AM
Great Bears Draft!! I'd prefer Harris in the 1st but he won't fall to us so Sherrod is a good pick.

K Train
02-01-2011, 11:05 AM
id prefer phil taylor or mike pouncey at 32, then jarvis jenkins over dowling but i wouldnt be upset at dowling either.

kendall hunter is a nice little luxury pick

Poz51
02-01-2011, 11:15 AM
[QUOTE=gpngc;2504455
3. Buffalo (4-12): Cam Newton
2. Buffalo (4-12): Adrian Clayborn
6. Arizona (5-11): Martez Wilson
14. Denver - from Miami (7-9): Kyle Rudolph
15. St. Louis (7-9): Phil Taylor
4. Buffalo (4-12): D.J. Williams
7. Dallas (6-10): Marcus Cannon
13. Tennessee (6-10): Mason Foster
15. Miami (7-9): Orlando Franklin
19. New York Giants (10-6): Jalil Brown[/QUOTE]

I like the first pick, with Newton having time to learn, watch, and acclimate. Love the Clayborn value in the second, but not sure about the fit in the 3-4... Wilson is a upgrade next to Poz in the 2nd, Rudolph would fill maybe the biggest hole on the team (Bills TE's last year 23 catches, 1 TD) and like Wilson would be a better fit/need/value IMO. Taylor could be a dark horse despite drafting Troup last year. Would rather see them use a 4th rounder to move up and land Rudolph or Kendricks than take Williams (who's baffling me right now), Luke Stocker fits as a blocker and pass catcher IMO better. Cannon could upgrade RT potentially, as could Franklin, Foster could upgrade ILB, but I think they are looking for more size, and Brown's value could be too much to pass up.

T-RICH49
02-01-2011, 11:53 AM
don't know anything about Doss but GREAT 1st 2 picks for KC

jCut
02-01-2011, 11:57 AM
Pretty good job with Denver's draft. If we were to grab Mason Foster in the third, it would be perfect.

crites09
02-01-2011, 12:20 PM
Mike Brown is set on not trading Carson Palmer... so he won't waste a high 1st round pick on a mediocre QB. I like the Quinton Carter pick though

hoping Benjamin Ijalana drops to Bengals in round 2, then DeAndre McDaniel in round 3

prock
02-01-2011, 12:26 PM
I would be furious if the Vikings did that at #12. You say "There's no way he'll go that high" is a bad reason to bash the pick, but that makes no sense. You put a guy ranked around the bottom of round 1 or the top of round 2 by just about every draft analyst out at pick #12 overall, people have a right to strongly disagree. Wiesniewski at #12 is a mega-reach, and passing on Locker/Mallett just makes it worse.

But I'll play by those "Good reasons" rules for a second: The Vikings have not drafted O-Lineman in round 1 since 2002, and that was an offensive tackle in Bryant McKinnie. Since 1986, in all rounds, the Vikings have drafted 3 centers (2 if you count Ryan Cook as an offensive tackle, which is the only position he's played for us.) NFL Draft history-wise, the last time a Center was taken in the top 12 picks was 1976.

We could use an upgrade at Center, but have to use a later pick.

Even if we don't go the QB route, Akeem Ayers (Vikings used a mid-1st rounder on Chad Greenway in 2006 and had success, need a new OLB opposite him) or JJ Watt (LE Ray Edwards leaving, no good replacement) would be solid picks.


In round 2 (although I don't mind Carter) I would think the Vikings would take Brandon Harris, seeing as Cedric Griffin has 2 shredded knees, and Chris Cook's knees seem to be from the same DNA. That leaves and aging Winfield and scrubs. Pouncey or Ponder (if no round 1 QB) would also be good fits.

I second this. Glad someone else typed it out so I didn't have to.

NGSeiler
02-01-2011, 12:51 PM
14. St. Louis (7-9): Mark Ingram

Not a very good pick, IMO. The Rams' need at running back is for a change of pace 'back to compliment Jackson, someone with top end speed who can take it the distance down the sidelines. Ingram seems like a poor fit, especially when you consider that the Rams are not a very good between-the-tackles run blocking team. It's hard to believe Robert Quinn, Aldon Smith, or Ryan Kerrigan wouldn't be a better pick in this spot for a team that will probably need to replace James Hall in the next year or two max.

15. St. Louis (7-9): Phil Taylor

Hmm, okay. Well, the Rams do need a defensive tackle. However, I'm not sure he's the best schematic fit, and I question whether he would be a realistic consideration due to the Rams' emphasis on intangibles (their "4 Pillars" approach). If you're focused on DT here, I kind of think Drake Nevis might be a better fit. That said, with the Rams passing on WR in the first round of your mock, then Hankerson or Torrey Smith would be better choices here. The Rams' need for a new starter at RG would also lead on to believe that Pouncey would warrant consideration.

14. St. Louis (7-9): Quan Sturdivant

Still no receiver for the Rams, which is the team's biggest need. For that reason, I'd give Vincent Brown some consideration here if you view him as a third round pick. I'd also think that Danny Watkins would be an option, given the reasoning I mentioned earlier for Pouncey. Sturdivant is a solid enough pick for a team desperately in need of OLB help, though.

Monomach
02-01-2011, 12:55 PM
This Bears mock is sexy.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
02-01-2011, 12:55 PM
I would involuntarily defecate in my trousers if that happened for the Bears.

Then I would purposely **** my pants. Nice job.

Monomach
02-01-2011, 12:57 PM
I would involuntarily defecate in my trousers if that happened for the Bears.

Then I would purposely **** my pants. Nice job.

If the Bears mock goes like this, I'll be so happy that I'll **** in OTHER people's pants!

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
02-01-2011, 01:14 PM
If the Bears mock goes like this, I'll be so happy that I'll **** in OTHER people's pants!

haha Then expect JAs draft to act as a public service.

steelersfan2011
02-01-2011, 02:40 PM
The biggest area the Steelers need to get young in is the Defense where 6 of the starters are over the age of thirty as opposed to 2 on offense. Probably ILB first round.

jrdrylie
02-01-2011, 03:30 PM
The people in charge of the Bears aren't nearly smart enough to have a draft that great. Each pick is absolutely perfect and fills our biggest needs.

RufusMcDaniel
02-01-2011, 04:17 PM
Absolutely love the Titans draft, Improved the front seven and got ourselves a QB. Besides that, we really need to figure out the interior of the offensive line.

Hurricane Ditka
02-01-2011, 04:35 PM
If the Bears mock goes like this, I'll be so happy that I'll **** in OTHER people's pants!

I would cry.


And then **** my pants.

ATLDirtyBirds
02-01-2011, 04:58 PM
I'd blow my load all over the TV if the Falcons draft went down like this.

holt_bruce81
02-01-2011, 05:07 PM
If Tandon Doss is still on the board in the 3rd round and the Rams don't select him, I'd be very upset.

thegreatone
02-01-2011, 06:29 PM
A good draft for the Ravens.

Menardo75
02-01-2011, 07:37 PM
I like the first two pics might be a little high for Acho. They need DBs but not two should probably go OG there in the third.

GB12
02-01-2011, 07:58 PM
Given what's available I like the first two rounds a lot. I like Powe too, but we don't really need another DL. I mean it's still a good pick because of value and we could force someone out for him, but not completely needed. With Kendall Hunter available I'd go with him.

gpngc
02-01-2011, 08:29 PM
Not a very good pick, IMO. The Rams' need at running back is for a change of pace 'back to compliment Jackson, someone with top end speed who can take it the distance down the sidelines. Ingram seems like a poor fit, especially when you consider that the Rams are not a very good between-the-tackles run blocking team. It's hard to believe Robert Quinn, Aldon Smith, or Ryan Kerrigan wouldn't be a better pick in this spot for a team that will probably need to replace James Hall in the next year or two max.



Hmm, okay. Well, the Rams do need a defensive tackle. However, I'm not sure he's the best schematic fit, and I question whether he would be a realistic consideration due to the Rams' emphasis on intangibles (their "4 Pillars" approach). If you're focused on DT here, I kind of think Drake Nevis might be a better fit. That said, with the Rams passing on WR in the first round of your mock, then Hankerson or Torrey Smith would be better choices here. The Rams' need for a new starter at RG would also lead on to believe that Pouncey would warrant consideration.



Still no receiver for the Rams, which is the team's biggest need. For that reason, I'd give Vincent Brown some consideration here if you view him as a third round pick. I'd also think that Danny Watkins would be an option, given the reasoning I mentioned earlier for Pouncey. Sturdivant is a solid enough pick for a team desperately in need of OLB help, though.

First bold:

...next year. The draft isn't about just next year. SJax's decline will come abruptly if it hasn't started already (I think FBO said he was one of the least effective starting RBs after contact this year). Plus you need two RBs in the NFL (especially if one has as much mileage as SJax). And a good third-down back doesn't necessarily have to be a speedster. Ingram can block and catch as well as any back in this draft - he's an IDEAL 3DB.

I think any defensive player would be a BETTER pick, but a mock is about projecting what you think is going to happen, not what should. I could DEFINITELY see the Rams going Ingram the same way they went SJax when Marshall Faulk was still decent.

Phil Taylor point taken.

As for WR - I disagree that it's their clear #1 need. I don't think they really need a WR. They kinda have a logjam right now. Clayton was fantastic last season. Avery could potentially be a star. Amendola is a perfect slot guy. Alexander has some potential. Gibson isn't AWFUL. Gilyard has some talent and isn't a bad developmental guy as a fourth or fifth WR. I think if the top two are healthy, the Rams are OK at WR. I think improving the running game will go a long way for that offense and SB and Ingram would help keep SJax fresh as well as perform himself...

I agree that they could definitely use a young DE, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll target one (though it IS Spags... hmmm...)

SimonRath
02-01-2011, 08:34 PM
can i have sex with the falcons draft? ill clean up after myself.. promise.

gpngc
02-01-2011, 08:38 PM
I would be furious if the Vikings did that at #12. You say "There's no way he'll go that high" is a bad reason to bash the pick, but that makes no sense. You put a guy ranked around the bottom of round 1 or the top of round 2 by just about every draft analyst out at pick #12 overall, people have a right to strongly disagree. Wiesniewski at #12 is a mega-reach, and passing on Locker/Mallett just makes it worse.

But I'll play by those "Good reasons" rules for a second: The Vikings have not drafted O-Lineman in round 1 since 2002, and that was an offensive tackle in Bryant McKinnie. Since 1986, in all rounds, the Vikings have drafted 3 centers (2 if you count Ryan Cook as an offensive tackle, which is the only position he's played for us.) NFL Draft history-wise, the last time a Center was taken in the top 12 picks was 1976.

We could use an upgrade at Center, but have to use a later pick.

Even if we don't go the QB route, Akeem Ayers (Vikings used a mid-1st rounder on Chad Greenway in 2006 and had success, need a new OLB opposite him) or JJ Watt (LE Ray Edwards leaving, no good replacement) would be solid picks.


In round 2 (although I don't mind Carter) I would think the Vikings would take Brandon Harris, seeing as Cedric Griffin has 2 shredded knees, and Chris Cook's knees seem to be from the same DNA. That leaves and aging Winfield and scrubs. Pouncey or Ponder (if no round 1 QB) would also be good fits.

Bold: No, they don't. You don't have to look too far in the past to see February 2nd rounders actually go top ten...

But you're valid point is the positional value. I can see why you'd disagree with a C going #12 - it doesn't ever happen.

I just hate that #12 pick. I don't think Ayers is worth it, and I don't think the Vikes will either. I also wanted to make a point to drop Locker/Mallett to the second round - I can definitely envision both of them dropping like rocks on draft day.

I used to mock them a DE but purple fans pointed to the Griffen pick last year. Given his recent legal issue, I think I'm comfortable mocking a DE for them now.

So I don't hate that #12 pick as much as I did 30 seconds ago (thinking out loud).

Though a trade-down and pick of Wis in the 20s is possible as well I think...

gpngc
02-01-2011, 08:40 PM
can i have sex with the falcons draft? ill clean up after myself.. promise.

Quizz on that turf just makes too much sense...

However the more I think about it, the less I think Quinn will fall that far. Anything is possible though...

Pat Sims 90
02-01-2011, 08:43 PM
Gabbert is not the pick unless Carson retires because Mike Brown is not trading Carson. No OL in the 1st 3 rounds makes this a fail Bengals draft. If we get Gabbert he would get killed behind the OL we have.

SimonRath
02-01-2011, 08:43 PM
Quizz on that turf just makes too much sense...

However the more I think about it, the less I think Quinn will fall that far. Anything is possible though...

he wont fall, theres no way in hell he falls.
which is why i wanna take this opportunity to make love to the idea. one night stand i guess :/

gpngc
02-01-2011, 08:51 PM
Gabbert is not the pick unless Carson retires because Mike Brown is not trading Carson. No OL in the 1st 3 rounds makes this a fail Bengals draft. If we get Gabbert he would get killed behind the OL we have.

Is it POSSIBLE to draft Gabbert and have him sit behind Palmer until CPs contract runs out/Gabbert is ready?

Pretty much exactly what happened with Kitna/Palmer?

GB12
02-01-2011, 08:53 PM
Is it POSSIBLE to draft Gabbert and have him sit behind Palmer until CPs contract runs out/Gabbert is ready?

Pretty much exactly what happened with Kitna/Palmer?

Not trading Palmer and then still drafting his replacement would probably really piss him off.

Pat Sims 90
02-01-2011, 08:54 PM
Is it POSSIBLE to draft Gabbert and have him sit behind Palmer until CPs contract runs out/Gabbert is ready?

Pretty much exactly what happened with Kitna/Palmer?

No because Mike Brown is too cheap to pay 2 QB top 10 money and let 1 sit on the Bench. Plus Carson has like 4 or 5 years still left on his deal.

Kitna made **** for money that is y they took Palmer. Palmer is one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL.

gpngc
02-01-2011, 08:58 PM
Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiuuuuuuuuuuu

gpngc
02-01-2011, 09:01 PM
No because Mike Brown is too cheap to pay 2 QB top 10 money and let 1 sit on the Bench. Plus Carson has like 4 or 5 years still left on his deal.

Kitna made **** for money that is y they took Palmer. Palmer is one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL.

Well wtf is that... ugh. Can't cut him with that, can't trade him with that... he'll just continue to be miserable and unless there's a way to cut ties they can't find his replacement for another two years at the earliest. LOL what a **** situation....

I just can't see them going WR...

akvikefan89
02-01-2011, 09:02 PM
I just hate that #12 pick. I don't think Ayers is worth it, and I don't think the Vikes will either. I also wanted to make a point to drop Locker/Mallett to the second round - I can definitely envision both of them dropping like rocks on draft day.

I used to mock them a DE but purple fans pointed to the Griffen pick last year. Given his recent legal issue, I think I'm comfortable mocking a DE for them now.

So I don't hate that #12 pick as much as I did 30 seconds ago (thinking out loud).

Though a trade-down and pick of Wis in the 20s is possible as well I think...

Well you have Ayers going 1 pick later at #13, though, so that's a bit confusing as to why you're against him going #12...

Even without the arrest/s, Griffen has shown nothing to convince anyone he's more than a backup. Certainly not anything to pass on a 1st round DE for. If we don't go QB at #12, I think DE is what the Vikings will target. #12 is looking like a great spot to get a very good LE prospect. Frazier knows how different our defense is when the front-4 are getting pressure. With Edwards leaving, that's going to be a major issue...

Pat Sims 90
02-01-2011, 09:03 PM
He wants out regardless of who they draft at #4... He's already miserable... The Brat firing may have bought them some time but I wouldn't be surprised at all if this story resurfaced...

If you're sitting at #4 and you like a QB, you aren't going to pass on him because it may ruffle the feathers of your old, declining, miserable starter...

Maybe they won't like him. I just can't see them taking a WR at #4.

I didnt say they would take a WR at 4 i said they wont take a QB in the Top 10 unless Mike Brown somehow trades Carson or Carson stays to his word and retires.

But they could take a WR at 4 because they are trying to keep Carson happy that is y they fired Brat in the 1st place because Carson did not agree with his playcalling.

gpngc
02-01-2011, 09:08 PM
I didnt say they would take a WR at 4 i said they wont take a QB in the Top 10 unless Mike Brown somehow trades Carson or Carson stays to his word and retires.

But they could take a WR at 4 because they are trying to keep Carson happy that is y they fired Brat in the 1st place because Carson did not agree with his playcalling.

I DELETED THATTTTTTTTT!!! AHHH

I think Lewis wants to re-establish the running game more than anything. That's too high for Ingram but with a probable rookie wage scale it might be a possibility...

I'm leaning towards DT if Palmer really does stay...

gpngc
02-01-2011, 09:11 PM
Well you have Ayers going 1 pick later at #13, though, so that's a bit confusing as to why you're against him going #12...

Even without the arrest/s, Griffen has shown nothing to convince anyone he's more than a backup. Certainly not anything to pass on a 1st round DE for. If we don't go QB at #12, I think DE is what the Vikings will target. #12 is looking like a great spot to get a very good LE prospect. Frazier knows how different our defense is when the front-4 are getting pressure. With Edwards leaving, that's going to be a major issue...

Bold: ahgeoiahgeakh

Agreed about Griffen. Plus you can never have too many pass rushers. Your safeties tend to look a lot better when there's a rush.

Half the league "needs" safeties but if you think about it the teams that need better coverage probably need a better pass rush for the most part... No secondary can cover for 4 or 5 seconds...

Pat Sims 90
02-01-2011, 09:12 PM
I DELETED THATTTTTTTTT!!! AHHH

I think Lewis wants to re-establish the running game more than anything. That's too high for Ingram but with a probable rookie wage scale it might be a possibility...

I'm leaning towards DT if Palmer really does stay...

It will all depend on what OC they bring in. If they hiring a Running OC then i could see DL in the 1st if they hire a Passing OC then it will be a WR in the 1st.

Nalej
02-01-2011, 09:46 PM
Last time you made a mock, I wrote you an essay about each and every pick for the Pats.
I feel like if I wrote anything this time, I'd just be repeating myself
So I'll just let you know what the better selections would be.
The Pats 1st rd is an abortion...

1-R.Quinn OLB
1-D.Sherrod/A.Constanzo OT
2-M.Wilkerson DE
2-B.Reed OLB
3-R.Hudson OG
3-BPA