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MI_Buckeye
02-05-2011, 05:36 PM
Included some trades in this one but am way too tired to give a detailed explanation on any of the. Just give me some feedback, and I will respond promptly.

I put in some reaches here, and it totally screwed up the board. I found myself stunned at how low some players were falling. It kind of felt like the real thing!



1. Carolina Nick Fairley, Auburn DT
2. Denver Patrick Peterson, LSU CB
3. Buffalo Von Miller, Texas A&M OLB
4. Washington* Cam Newton, Auburn QB
Skins give up 1st and 2nd to Cincy
5. Arizona Prince Amukamara, Nebraska CB
6. Tennessee* Blaine Gabbert, Missouri QB
Titans give up 1st and 3rd to Cleveland
7. San Francisco Marcel Dareus, Alabama DE
8. Cleveland* A.J. Green, Georgia WR
9. Jacksonville* Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson DE
Jags trades 1st, 3rd and 5th to Dallas
10. Cincinnati* Robert Quinn, North Carolina DE
11. Tampa Bay* Aldon Smith, Missouri DE
Tampa trades 1st, 3rd and 6th to Houston
12. Minnesota Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin OT
13. Kansas City* Julio Jones, Alabama WR
KC trades 1st and 2nd to Detroit
14. St. Louis Corey Liuget, Illinois DT
15. Miami Mark Ingram, Alabama RB
16. Dallas* Ben Ijalana, Villanova OT
17. New England Cameron Jordan, Cal DE
18. San Diego Cameron Heyward, Ohio State DE
19. Chicago* Nate Solder, Colorado OT
Bears give up 1st and 3rd to G-Men
20. Houston* Phil Taylor, Baylor DT
21. Detroit* Brandon Harris, Miami CB
22. Indianapolis Stephen Paea, Oregon State DT
23. Philadelphia Akeem Ayers, UCLA OLB
24. New Orleans Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue DE
25. Seattle Mike Pouncey, Florida OG
26. Baltimore Torrey Smith, Maryland WR
27. Atlanta JJ Watt, Wisconsin DE
28. Buffalo* Tyron Smith, USC OT
Buffalo trades 2nd, 5th and 2012 conditional pick to Pats
29. Giants* Rahim Moore, UCLA S
30. Jets Justin Houston, Georgia OLB
31. Pittsburgh Jimmy Smith, Colorado CB
32. Green Bay Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple DE


33. New England Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State C
34. New England* Titus Young, Boise State WR
35. Cincinnati Jon Baldwin, Pitt WR
36. Denver Brooks Reed, Arizona DE
37. Cleveland Aaron Williams, Texas CB
38. Arizona Jake Locker, Washington QB
39. Tennessee Martez Wilson, Illinois LB
40. Dallas Christian Ballard, Iowa DE
41. Cincinnati* Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State OT
42. Houston Ouinton Carter, Oklahoma S
43. Minnesota Ryan Mallett, Arkansas QB
44. Detroit Mason Foster, Washington LB
45. San Francisco Drake Nevis, LSU DT
46. Denver Mikel Leshoure, Illinois RB
47. St. Louis Leonard Hankerson, Miami WR
48. Oakland Chimdi Chekwa, Ohio State CB
49. Jacksonville Curtis Brown, Texas CB
50. San Diego Anthony Castonzo, Boston College OT
51. Tampa Bay Kendric Burney, North Carolina CB
52. Giants Bruce Carter, North Carolina OLB
53. Indianapolis Jerrel Jernigan, Troy WR
54. Philadelphia Demarcus Love, Arkansas OG
55. Detroit* Will Rackley, Lehigh OG
56. New Orleans Marvin Austin, North Carolina DT
57. Seattle Adrian Clayborn, Iowa DE
58. Baltimore Will Hill, Florida S
59. Atlanta Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame TE
60. New England Demarco Murray, Oklahoma RB
61. San Diego Austin Pettis, Boise State WR
62. Chicago Jurrell Casey, USC DT
63. Pittsburgh Marcus Cannon, TCU OG
64. Green Bay Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina ILB



65. Carolina Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin TE
66. Cincinnati Deunta Williams, North Carolina S
67. Denver Sione Fua, Stanford DT
68. Buffalo Greg Little, North Carolina WR
69. Arizona Marcus Gilbert, Florida OT
70. Cleveland Allen Bailey, Miami DE
71. Dallas Ras-I Dowling, Virginia CB
72. New Orleans Greg Jones, Michigan State LB
73. Houston Jalil Brown, Colorado CB
74. New England Ricky Stanzi, Iowa QB
75. Detroit Rashad Carmichael, Virginia Tech CB
76. San Francisco Colin Kaepernick, Nevada QB
77. Cleveland* Luke Stocker, Tennessee TE
78. St. Louis D.J. Williams, Arkansas TE
79. Miami Danny Watkins, Baylor OG
80. Dallas* John Moffitt, Wisconsin OG
81. Oakland Rodney Hudson, Florida State OG
82. San Diego Mark Herzlich, Boston College LB
83. Giants Jason Pinkston, Pitt OT
84. Houston* Ronald Johnson, USC WR
85. Philadelphia Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech RB
86. Kansas City Orlando Franklin, Miami OT
87. Indianapolis Shareece Wright, USC CB
88. New Orleans Charles Clay, Tulsa ??
89. San Diego Randall Cobb, Kentucky WR
90. Baltimore Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma OLB
91. Atlanta Vincent Brown, San Diego State WR
92. New England Kenrick Ellis, Hampton DT
93. Giants* Daniel Thomas, Kansas State RB
94. Jets Johnny Patrick, Louisville CB
95. Pittsburgh Jeremy Kerley, TCU WR
96. Green Bay Dontay Moch, Nevada OLB

vidae
02-05-2011, 05:40 PM
Ehhh, I don't like giving up a pick and I'm not sure how likely it is Pioli will trade up, but I like Jones so solid job.

Babylon
02-05-2011, 05:45 PM
If the Seahawks take Mike Pouncey over Jake Locker then they're dumber than a rock.

Hurricanes25
02-05-2011, 05:47 PM
30. Jets Justin Houston, Georgia OLB
94. Jets Johnny Patrick, Louisville CB


I love the Hosuton pick but I'm not liking the Patrick pick. We need some defensive line help, badly.

Pat Sims 90
02-05-2011, 05:53 PM
Bengals draft is ok but i would like them to take a OG over a OT in the 2nd and take a RB in the 1st 3 rounds

Don Vito
02-05-2011, 05:54 PM
A lot of that is realistic for the Pats and there are some good picks, but I have beef with a few picks.

Titus Young is talented and we could use a receiver, but we don't need another wee one. We could use a receiver with some size, we have a tiny receiving corps.

I could see us taking a guy like DeMarco Murray but I think we would be better off looking to build up the defensive front 7 and offensive line. You gave us Cam Jordan and Wisniewski which is nice, but we need a pass rusher and maybe even another OL. We don't really need two skill position players with our first four picks.

Stanzi has ability but I think that would be a bit of a wasted pick in the third. I like Stanzi, but Hoyer is more than capable as a backup and with our other needs we could probably hold off on QB.

Cameron Jordan and Wisniewski are good picks. Kendrick Ellis wouldn't really be needed at the end of the third.

prock
02-05-2011, 06:32 PM
Carimi is a reach but this is an awesome Vikings mock.

MI_Buckeye
02-05-2011, 06:43 PM
Ehhh, I don't like giving up a pick and I'm not sure how likely it is Pioli will trade up, but I like Jones so solid job.

I know it does kind of go against Piolis typical MO, but I think Jones is special enough, and the Chiefs need a receiver bad enough, to justify a break from philosophy.

Poz51
02-05-2011, 06:44 PM
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3. Buffalo Von Miller, Texas A&M OLB
28. Buffalo* Tyron Smith, USC OT
Buffalo trades 2nd, 5th and 2012 conditional pick to Pats.
68. Buffalo Greg Little, North Carolina WR

Not to be mean or offensive, but this mock makes me want to vomit... Miller to the Bills actually makes less sense than many on this board think, especially considering Nix and Gaileys comments regarding the state of the franchise and what they are looking for IMO. Is it a possibility? Of coarse, all things considered there are better directions for this team to go in. I do like him, his ability and character.
Tyron Smith IMO is almost all hype right now, I understand the athleticism, feet, potential and all that, but until he adds weight, gets stronger at the point of attack, creates running lanes and produces agains some top level talent as a LT, he is all potential, no substance IMO. We have plenty of projects at the tackles already to take on another. Trading up and then watching Sherrod be available when we would have picked in the 2nd would be a swift kick to my junk.
Little... World of potential, uses his body to catch too much from what I remember, which drives me insane. All of the Bills receivers last year produced, despite his lack of production Lee Evans still drew a lot of over/under double coverage, and Easley their 4th rounder from last year was out with an injury and returning this year. Little only crowds one of the few team strengths. Last year the Bills draft had no red flags that I can think of, and Little having missed a year is a big one IMO.
This mock has a world of potential and a Aaron Maybin (Vomit) bust quality that makes me feel ill...

ATLDirtyBirds
02-05-2011, 06:45 PM
Maybe I'm blind, but no Kerrigan?

MI_Buckeye
02-05-2011, 06:52 PM
A lot of that is realistic for the Pats and there are some good picks, but I have beef with a few picks.

Titus Young is talented and we could use a receiver, but we don't need another wee one. We could use a receiver with some size, we have a tiny receiving corps.

I could see us taking a guy like DeMarco Murray but I think we would be better off looking to build up the defensive front 7 and offensive line. You gave us Cam Jordan and Wisniewski which is nice, but we need a pass rusher and maybe even another OL. We don't really need two skill position players with our first four picks.

Stanzi has ability but I think that would be a bit of a wasted pick in the third. I like Stanzi, but Hoyer is more than capable as a backup and with our other needs we could probably hold off on QB.

Cameron Jordan and Wisniewski are good picks. Kendrick Ellis wouldn't really be needed at the end of the third.


I understand your concerns with some of the picks, but keep in mind, it is hard projecting this many picks to a team without many holes.

I know Young is similar to some of the receivers they already have, but the Pats dont have anyone nearly as explosive as him. I have a feeling they dont really care for bigger receivers all that much anyway, unless he defies the laws of nature like Moss. When was the last time they had a big possession-type receiver like Baldwin or Hankerson?

I can understand not liking the Stanzi pick, but the Pats might want to bring in some competition for Hoyer. It is not like the Pats to let anyone get too comfortable in their roles, and Stanzi has the tools to eventually develop into good trade value. Plus, he was just made to wear the Red, White and Blue!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlU0GQgooWM

Ellis is another player with big-time physical tools who can provide good depth at nose tackle.

akvikefan89
02-05-2011, 06:54 PM
Was mad at first that we reached on Carimi at #12, but then saw we got Mallett in the second. Mallett + Carimi = Awesome first 2 rounds.

And this was already pointed out, but you left off Kerrigan...

MI_Buckeye
02-05-2011, 06:59 PM
Not to be mean or offensive, but this mock makes me want to vomit... Miller to the Bills actually makes less sense than many on this board think, especially considering Nix and Gaileys comments regarding the state of the franchise and what they are looking for IMO. Is it a possibility? Of coarse, all things considered there are better directions for this team to go in. I do like him, his ability and character.
Tyron Smith IMO is almost all hype right now, I understand the athleticism, feet, potential and all that, but until he adds weight, gets stronger at the point of attack, creates running lanes and produces agains some top level talent as a LT, he is all potential, no substance IMO. We have plenty of projects at the tackles already to take on another. Trading up and then watching Sherrod be available when we would have picked in the 2nd would be a swift kick to my junk.
Little... World of potential, uses his body to catch too much from what I remember, which drives me insane. All of the Bills receivers last year produced, despite his lack of production Lee Evans still drew a lot of over/under double coverage, and Easley their 4th rounder from last year was out with an injury and returning this year. Little only crowds one of the few team strengths. Last year the Bills draft had no red flags that I can think of, and Little having missed a year is a big one IMO.
This mock has a world of potential and a Aaron Maybin (Vomit) bust quality that makes me feel ill...


Well, if I was a Bills fan, all of their actual drafts would make me want to vomit. LOL. I would not be a fan of this draft either, but I was trying to project what actually could happen, not what I would want if I was a fan of the teams.

I think Miller would fit in their hybrid defense because he would not have to come off the field. The Bills badly need a pass rush.

Smith is probably going in the first round whether you like it or not. He actually went a little lower than I think he will, so that is why I had the Bills moving up to fill one of their biggest holes.

MI_Buckeye
02-05-2011, 07:03 PM
Maybe I'm blind, but no Kerrigan?

What? You think he deserves to go in the first three rounds?! Ha ha, Idiot!

Obviuously JK. Total goof on my part. Looking at this mock, I would have him go to the Saints at 24, pushing Watt to the Falcons and Clayborn out of the first. I will edit this immediately.

T-RICH49
02-05-2011, 07:13 PM
I am ok with the trade up for Jones but in rd 3 I'd want Moch or Ellis.right there with WR NT and OLB are major needs

Brent
02-05-2011, 07:14 PM
not ideal, but I could live with that Niners draft.

Monomach
02-05-2011, 07:53 PM
That Bears trade is one of the stupidest mock trades I've ever seen. Seriously. You must be a Giants fan who just wanted to trade down and flipped a coin to see who got ****** in the ass.

holt_bruce81
02-05-2011, 08:06 PM
That would be a terrible Rams draft.

Dam8610
02-05-2011, 08:08 PM
Wow, that's downright terrible. You drafted no OL for the Colts but 3 players for positions where the Colts are 5 deep (DT, WR, CB). That makes no sense.

Hermstheman83
02-05-2011, 08:27 PM
Ehhh, I don't like giving up a pick and I'm not sure how likely it is Pioli will trade up, but I like Jones so solid job.

Yea, I guess I'd be ok with it. Although Pioli would probably cut out his own kidney before he trades up...especially with the needs on our team.

MI_Buckeye
02-05-2011, 08:29 PM
Wow, that's downright terrible. You drafted no OL for the Colts but 3 players for positions where the Colts are 5 deep (DT, WR, CB). That makes no sense.

You're kidding right? You think you are set at DT?! Your interrior defensive line stinks and is part of the reason you guys are fading.

Also, I think Jernigan makes perfect sense since he is more explosive than any of the receivers currently on your roster and Gonzo and Collie can not be counted on to stay healthy. That leaves them with Blair White as a No. 3. Don't try to tell me Jernigan doesn't make sense, cause Indy picks these kinds of players all the time.

You're not that strong at corner either, at least you're not strong enough that you couldn't use some depth.

I normally don't get so defensive when criticized. I just don't think your critiques are very valid at all.

49erNation85
02-05-2011, 08:31 PM
Horrible SF draft.We would NOT draft two DT specially if AJ green was there at number 7.Then QB in round two.CK is just way too far of a reach at round 3.Would rather have Ponder in the second.And go defense rest of the round.

MI_Buckeye
02-05-2011, 08:34 PM
That Bears trade is one of the stupidest mock trades I've ever seen. Seriously. You must be a Giants fan who just wanted to trade down and flipped a coin to see who got ****** in the ass.

How exactly? The Bears gave up the most sacks in the NFL this season and lost their QB for the second half of the NFC title game because he had no protection. Solder is viewed by most as one of the highest upside tackles in years. Seems like a perfect match of highly-rated prospect and good team with a big hole. That is usually when teams trade up. (By the way, I hate Nate Solder and wouldn't personally spend a first or second round pick on him.)

MI_Buckeye
02-05-2011, 08:44 PM
Horrible SF draft.We would NOT draft two DT specially if AJ green was there at number 7.Then QB in round two.CK is just way too far of a reach at round 3.Would rather have Ponder in the second.And go defense rest of the round.

Jeez, I thought you would love it just because I didn't have them taking Gabbert. LOL

Anyway, I get why you wouldn't like two DTs in the first couple rounds, but if they are switching to a 4-3, they need to restructure their D line badly. I personally think they would have to be on crack to take Green over Dareus, especially with only the Smiths to get him, Crabtree, VD and Morgan the ball. Nevis, on the other hand, is debatable, but I thought he was just too good a value at that point.

Kaepernick is a guy I think Harbaugh would like as a developmental type. I would expect San Fran to look for a veteran stop gap like McNabb if the CBA allows them, and then use a mid-round pick on someone Harbaugh thinks he can develop to be a starter by year three.

SimonRath
02-05-2011, 08:44 PM
27. Atlanta JJ Watt, Wisconsin DE

59. Atlanta Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame TE

91. Atlanta Vincent Brown, San Diego State WR


ARE YOU A FALCONS FAN?! this is simply amazing!

CJSchneider
02-05-2011, 08:45 PM
Charles Clay is a RB/FB and if we draft him in the 3rd, I will start a bar-fight.

vikes_28
02-05-2011, 08:47 PM
I would jizz in my pants if the vikings got Mallett in the second round.

MI_Buckeye
02-05-2011, 08:49 PM
ARE YOU A FALCONS FAN?! this is simply amazing!

No, but I am a HUGE Thomas Dimitroff fan!

SimonRath
02-05-2011, 08:51 PM
No, but I am a HUGE Thomas Dimitroff fan!

i think even Tommy D would jizz his pants if this draft happened.

Bills2083
02-06-2011, 12:28 AM
Well, if I was a Bills fan, all of their actual drafts would make me want to vomit. LOL. I would not be a fan of this draft either, but I was trying to project what actually could happen, not what I would want if I was a fan of the teams.

I think Miller would fit in their hybrid defense because he would not have to come off the field. The Bills badly need a pass rush.

Smith is probably going in the first round whether you like it or not. He actually went a little lower than I think he will, so that is why I had the Bills moving up to fill one of their biggest holes.

Nix has come out and said that he likes our OLBs and ILB is a greater need. We just resigned Merriman and Kelsay, have Moats, Batten, Maybin, Coleman, and Torbor. Even though it isn't exactly a great set of OLBs, it looks like it's what we're stuck with going into next year.

I also rememer reading somewhere that Nix doesn't like to trade up because draft picks are too valuable to give up.. or something like that. Especially when we don't have a pressing need for LT, like you think we do. Bell is a serviceable LT who played hurt much of last year. He should continue to improve next year and beyond. Bell is at LT, Levitre at LG, and Wood at C (most likely). Gailey and Nix have also gone out of their way to compliment the right side of the line (Pears/Urbik/Rinehart/Howard, etc.) They're a bunch of mid-round draft picks who I don't see making a huge impact for this team. However, the team seems to be content with them moving forward.

We have more pressing needs at ILB, DE, and OLB (in the mid to late rounds)

Unbiased
02-06-2011, 12:37 AM
Jacksonville isn't a DE away from being a contender. They have a lot of holes on defense and at the quarterback position. They've also been burnt in the past making a similar trade. Regardless of how much better you think Bowers is than Harvey, they need all the picks they can acquire. Very good effort on the mock, though, and trades are always interesting to predict. Thanks for the mock.

proshoota25
02-06-2011, 12:43 AM
i agree with don vito's assesment. also, why on earth would the patriots trade with Buffalo? i highly doubt we would ever trade with a division opponent to make them better. it would never happen.

derza222
02-06-2011, 01:09 AM
I love the Hosuton pick but I'm not liking the Patrick pick. We need some defensive line help, badly.

On top of that, even if the Jets don't re-sign Cro they have last year's first round pick Kyle Wilson waiting in the wings. I wouldn't put it past Rex to push for a corner since he loves them, but there's a lot of other things that I'd address first after taking an OLB: DL as Canes said, safety, and probably RT or WR though that depends on how the offseason goes. I'd imagine Woody gets cut though and one of Edwards/Holmes is gone so there should be a need at one of those spots.

Verloren
02-06-2011, 02:14 AM
Jeez, I thought you would love it just because I didn't have them taking Gabbert. LOL

Anyway, I get why you wouldn't like two DTs in the first couple rounds, but if they are switching to a 4-3, they need to restructure their D line badly. I personally think they would have to be on crack to take Green over Dareus, especially with only the Smiths to get him, Crabtree, VD and Morgan the ball. Nevis, on the other hand, is debatable, but I thought he was just too good a value at that point.

Kaepernick is a guy I think Harbaugh would like as a developmental type. I would expect San Fran to look for a veteran stop gap like McNabb if the CBA allows them, and then use a mid-round pick on someone Harbaugh thinks he can develop to be a starter by year three.

Vic Fangio is a 3-4 guy, and installed it at Stanford. He also worked with Dom Capers for a while. Therefore, taking 2 DTs doesn't make much sense.

You also miss out on a key Niners need - secondary help, which would be far more important than getting a 3rd or 4th DT (Franklin may end up being re-signed, and RJF is his backup).

patman
02-06-2011, 07:44 AM
Fine for the pats, just put Watkins in for Stanzi.

Poz51
02-06-2011, 07:54 AM
Well, if I was a Bills fan, all of their actual drafts would make me want to vomit. LOL. I would not be a fan of this draft either, but I was trying to project what actually could happen, not what I would want if I was a fan of the teams.

I think Miller would fit in their hybrid defense because he would not have to come off the field. The Bills badly need a pass rush.

Smith is probably going in the first round whether you like it or not. He actually went a little lower than I think he will, so that is why I had the Bills moving up to fill one of their biggest holes.

Your first comment is right on IMO, up until last year. Although I did not agree with the Spiller pick, I understood it, and the rest of draft was actually solid, and had direction, unlike drafts of the previous decade. I am not commenting subjectively as a fan, but rather trying to remain objective based on the comments made by Gailey and Nix, while doing the same with the roster moves, and play of the players on the field. Last year their first pick was BPA, then after that they went almost exclusively with need. Spiller = BPA, Troup = 3-4 NT need, Carrington = 3-4 DE need, Easley = WR need (Johnson was not himself yet, Reed was let go, Parrish was an unknown, and there was nothing else on the roster with TO gone, outside of Evans there was a tone of uncertainty), Wang = Tackle depth need, Moats/Batten = 3-4 OLB need, Calloway = tackle depth need, Levi Brown = potential? value? just needed to pick someone? Flyer?
As for what could happen; Miller could, I agree. The Bills however just gave Merriman and Kelsey extensions on the strong side, Moats and Batten were drafted last year, Moats progressed rather nicely, especially the second half the season, they were very high on Batten before the injury, Coleman made the roster as a UDFA and started seeing PT later in the season. Torbor was brought in through FA and had a presence, Maybin (vomit) is on the roster as expensive former (vomit) first rounder by the Jauron Admin. So objectively looking at the roster, considering they were the worst team in the league defending the run, the current administrations comments about improving the run D, getting bigger, there comments about liking there situation at OLB, and need to improve at ILB, taking an OLB with their first pick does not make a lot of sense. Depth at the strong side behind Merriman because of injury concerns and Kelsey who is out of position later in the draft make more sense. Make no mistake that I am commenting on what I want, but rather taking an objective approach as to what there actual needs to improve the team are. Miller is a fantastic player, but they have stated that they will go BPA with their first pick, objectively looking at it, I have not seen any one who has him as the third best player in the draft on any list, so logically it stands to reason the Bills will not have him that high. Any thing could happen, but what actually will happen? As a fan, I would love to see Merriman and Miller on the edges, and maybe they will trade down (Nix's history), but at three it does not fit looking at it objectively.
The Bills do need a pass rush, and watching Moats play the "Joker" or weakside last year provided one, especially during the 2nd half of the season, but if they can not stop the run and are weak up the middle, what good is a pass rush when teams are running it down your throat?
Im sure Smith will go in the first round "wether I like it or not" but again looking at him objectively, he needs a lot of work, which is what I tried to point out, taking my personal feelings out of it, his scouting reports read a lot like Bruce Campbell's from last year, what I have seen is a guy with a ton of athletic ability and great feet, what I dont see is the strength, refinement and proven ability of guys drafted in the past worthy of a first round pick. There are many "if's" mentioned with him and "potential" is his biggest attribute right now, again for a team in need of certainty with many holes, having publically stated their support for Bell, having drafted Wang last year as a project to provide depth behind him, and Nix's history of trading down and accumilating more draft picks, never trading up, never picking a T in the first round... It stands to reason, objectively that trading up and taking Smith makes little sense for this team, who's also stated that they need to get more push in the run game. I actually agree with you that Tackle is one of the weakest positions on the team, they do not, although there confidence in the right tackle is mostly talk IMO, but injuries cloud the situation.

MI_Buckeye
02-06-2011, 10:14 AM
i agree with don vito's assesment. also, why on earth would the patriots trade with Buffalo? i highly doubt we would ever trade with a division opponent to make them better. it would never happen.

Because they're Buffalo. They're no threat to the Pats and will probably screw it up anyways.

MI_Buckeye
02-06-2011, 10:18 AM
Vic Fangio is a 3-4 guy, and installed it at Stanford. He also worked with Dom Capers for a while. Therefore, taking 2 DTs doesn't make much sense.

You also miss out on a key Niners need - secondary help, which would be far more important than getting a 3rd or 4th DT (Franklin may end up being re-signed, and RJF is his backup).

Well, anyways the end (5 tech) position is what both Dareus and Nevis would play in a 3-4. You are probably right though. With the 9ers keeping a 3-4, Dareus and Nevis would probably not make that much sense. Thanks for the heads up!

Matthew Jones
02-06-2011, 02:22 PM
1. I think Kerrigan is a cleaner projection into New England's defense than Jordan, so I think he'd be the pick there, although it's possible it's Jordan or someone entirely different.

2. New England would like to trade down but I doubt they'd trade down with someone in their division, especially that early in the draft, even if it is the Bills.

3. Titus Young wouldn't be a great pick there, he might be a little bit too cocky and one-dimensional for the Patriots to choose, although I suppose he could develop into a nice option.

4. No chance the Patriots draft a fifth-round quarterback prospect in the third round. Tom Brady is going to be around for four more seasons at the least, probably as long as Stanzi's contract would even last to begin with.

Best guess as to what the Patriots would do there (not projecting the trade down):

1. LB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue (perfect size for 3-4 OLB at 6'4", 260, coaches will love intelligence/work ethic/motor, from school that produced Vrabel, Colvin, Avril, etc.)

1. DE Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple (perfect size for 3-4 RE at 6'5" 305, similar to when Patriots "reached" on 6'6" 305 lb. Seymour)

2. C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn St. (seems to be on another level technically speaking and could immediately replace Koppen, who's been exposed in playoffs last three appearances)

2. OT Marcus Gilbert, Florida (Florida guy, could man the swing tackle backup spot behind Matt Light for another year, then step in at RT when Vollmer moves over)

3. OG Danny Watkins, Baylor (Patriots scouted during the season, overaged but the Patriots drafted other old offensive linemen in Vollmer/Kaczur, could potentially be a rookie starter at right guard)

3. FS Ahmad Black, Florida (Shane described the Patriots as being very interested in Ahmad Black, another Florida guy, and there are rumors that the Patriots could be entertaining offers for Meriweather)

CashmoneyDrew
02-06-2011, 02:41 PM
I think we've got too many needs to trade a 3rd just to move up two spots and take a guy who would've been at eight anyways. And even with our need at QB I'd hope we wouldn't pass on A.J. Green if he fell to us.

I like the second round pick though.

TACKLE
02-06-2011, 03:01 PM
I don't mind Torrey Smith or Jeremy Beal but Will Hill is a HUGE reach in the second.

21ST
02-06-2011, 03:48 PM
i would rather the skins take AJ Green if they were to trade up

703SKINS202
02-06-2011, 04:13 PM
this mock couldn't piss me off more

coordinator0
02-06-2011, 04:42 PM
Nice first and third round picks for Baltimore. Epic reach/bad pick in the second with Hill though.

thebow305
02-06-2011, 07:24 PM
Decent Phins mock.

Seasonticketholder
02-06-2011, 07:33 PM
Outside of Kerrigan, this is a terrible draft for the Saints. And the Saints would not take Marvin Austin. He's not a Sean Payton type guy for the Saints to invest such a high pick in him.

Dam8610
02-06-2011, 09:53 PM
You're kidding right? You think you are set at DT?! Your interrior defensive line stinks and is part of the reason you guys are fading.

Also, I think Jernigan makes perfect sense since he is more explosive than any of the receivers currently on your roster and Gonzo and Collie can not be counted on to stay healthy. That leaves them with Blair White as a No. 3. Don't try to tell me Jernigan doesn't make sense, cause Indy picks these kinds of players all the time.

You're not that strong at corner either, at least you're not strong enough that you couldn't use some depth.

I normally don't get so defensive when criticized. I just don't think your critiques are very valid at all.

You ignored the Colts needs as badly as you ignored the point of my last post. The Colts need to draft at least one, hopefully more like 2 or 3, OL in the first 3 rounds. I'm far more comfortable with the situation at DT, WR, and CB on the current roster than I am with the situation at OL.

MI_Buckeye
02-06-2011, 10:11 PM
You ignored the Colts needs as badly as you ignored the point of my last post. The Colts need to draft at least one, hopefully more like 2 or 3, OL in the first 3 rounds. I'm far more comfortable with the situation at DT, WR, and CB on the current roster than I am with the situation at OL.

I gotcha. I did struggle on the decision to give them Paea or Tyron Smith in the first but decided the need at OT was mitigated by the greatness of 18, so I went defense instead. After that, I was just going by my impressions of Bill Polian and what likes to do in the draft, valuing speed and skill over power. Polian is also not afraid to stockpile players he likes at positions that seem set, especially receivers.

Honestly, since Tarik Glenn retired and Tony Ugoh turned out to be a bust, I have thought they have ignored O Line far too often. The Colts are always an interesting team to mock; they seem to evaluate and select talent in a way unique to the rest of the league.

Abaddon
02-07-2011, 09:19 AM
81. Oakland Rodney Hudson, Florida State OG

I would be really surprised if Al drafted a lineman this small. If he can play center, that would be interesting. But I can't imagine Hudson being what Al envisions as his next great offensive guard.