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bigbluedefense
03-03-2012, 10:45 AM
He probably won't be able to come back. But they're giving him a shot. My guess is he gets cut after training camp.

scottyboy
03-03-2012, 10:57 AM
we better ******* bring chase back. if we don't, i'll be livid

bigbluedefense
03-03-2012, 11:02 AM
I think I'm gonna buy a Chase Blackburn SB jersey <3

I love Chase. He's white Jessie Armstead <3

NY+Giants=NYG
03-03-2012, 12:14 PM
Eli Manning vs. Hall of Fame quarterbacks at 30

I found this on the newsday site. It was in slide show format so made the formatting better. But I thought this was interesting. Obviously some of the Qbs are a lot older and played in a different era. But it's still interesting to see how Eli fairs thus far, with a lot more years ahead of him.




Eli Manning vs. Hall of Fame quarterbacks at 30

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-vs-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-at-30-1.3493231#1

ELI MANNING
Active
Team: Giants (2004-11)
Games: 121 (119 starts)
Passing: 2,291-for-3,921, 58.4%, 27,579 yards
TD/INT: 185 TDs, 129 INTs
Passer rating: 82.1
Titles: 2 Super Bowls
Playoff record as a starter: 8-3





TROY AIKMAN
Inducted: 2006
Team: Cowboys (1989-96)
Games: 113 (113 starts)
Passing: 2,000-for-3,178, 62.9%, 22,733 yards
TD/INT: 110 TDs, 98 INTs
Passer rating: 83.0
Titles: 3 Super Bowls
Playoff record as a starter: 11-2
Photo Credit: AP

GEORGE BLANDA
Inducted: 1981
Teams: Bears (1949, 1950-58), Colts (1950)
Games: 104 (26 starts)
Passing: 443-for-981, 45.2%, 5,917 yards
TD/INT: 48 TDs, 70 INTs
Passer rating: 51.4
Titles: 0
Playoff record as a starter: 0-1
Photo Credit: AP

TERRY BRADSHAW
Inducted: 1989
Team: Steelers (1970-78)
Games: 113 (103 starts)
Passing: 1,215-for-2,387, 50.9%, 16,194 yards
TD/INT: 121 TDs, 138 INTs
Passer rating: 65.6
Titles: 3 Super Bowls
Playoff record as a starter: 11-4
Photo Credit: AP

LEN DAWSON
Inducted: 1987
Teams: Steelers (1957-59), Browns (1960-61), Texans (1962), Chiefs (1963-65)
Games: 84 (55 starts)
Passing: 762-for-1,366, 55.8%, 10,493 yards
TD/INT: 108 TDs, 73 INTs
Passer rating: 84.7
Titles: 1 NFL Championship
Playoff record as a starter: 1-0
Photo Credit: AP


JOHN ELWAY
Inducted: 2004
Team: Broncos (1983-1990)
Games: 116 (114 starts)
Passing: 1,959-for-3,572, 54.8%, 24,721 yards
TD/INT: 135 TDs, 128 INTs
Passer rating: 74.3
Titles: 0
Playoff record as a starter: 6-4
Photo Credit: AP

DAN FOUTS
Inducted: 1993
Team: Chargers (1973-81)
Games: 112 (105 starts)
Passing: 1,849-for-3,203, 57.7%, 24,256 yards
TD/INT: 145 TDs, 142 INTs
Passer rating: 78.4
Titles: 0
Playoff record as a starter: 2-3
Photo Credit: AP


OTTO GRAHAM
Inducted: 1965
Team: Browns (1946-51)
Games: 78 (67 starts)
Passing: 876-for-1,579, 55.5%, 14,233 yards
TD/INT: 117 TDs, 77 INTs
Passer rating: 90.3
Titles: 4 AAFC Championships, 1 NFL Championship
Playoff record as a starter: 7-1
Photo Credit: AP


BOB GRIESE
Inducted: 1990
Team: Dolphins (1967-75)
Games: 104 (100 starts)
Passing: 1,199-for-2,205, 54.4%, 16,002 yards
TD/INT: 128 TDs, 116 INTs
Passer rating: 75.1
Titles: 2 Super Bowls
Playoff record as a starter: 6-3
Photo Credit: AP


SONNY JURGENSEN
Inducted: 1983
Teams: Eagles (1957-63), Redskins (1964)
Games: 97 (55 starts)
Passing: 809-for-1,492, 54.2%, 12,573 yards
TD/INT: 100 TDs, 86 INTs
Passer rating: 80.7
Titles: 1 NFL Championship*
Playoff record as a starter: 0-0
*As a reserve
Photo Credit: AP

JIM KELLY
Inducted: 2002
Team: Bills (1986-90)
Games: 71 (71 starts)
Passing: 1,251-for-2,088, 59.9%, 15,730 yards
TD/INT: 105 TDs, 72 INTs
Passer rating: 85.8
Titles: 0
Playoff record as a starter: 3-3
Photo Credit: AP

BOBBY LAYNE
Inducted: 1967
Teams: Bears (1948), Bulldogs (1949), Lions (1950-56)
Games: 107 (88 starts)
Passing: 1,146-for-2,339, 49.0%, 16,398 yards
TD/INT: 123 TDs, 148 INTs
Passer rating: 63.3
Titles: 1 NFL Championship
Playoff record as a starter: 3-1
Photo Credit: AP

DAN MARINO
Inducted: 2005
Team: Dolphins (1983-91)
Games: 135 (133 starts)
Passing: 2,798-for-4,730, 59.2%, 35,386 yards
TD/INT: 266 TDs, 149 INTs
Passer rating: 88.2
Titles: 0
Playoff record as a starter: 4-4
Photo Credit: AP

JOE MONTANA
Inducted: 2000
Team: 49ers (1979-86)
Games: 111 (87 starts)
Passing: 1,818-for-2,878, 63.2%, 21,498 yards
TD/INT: 141 TDs, 76 INTs
Passer rating: 91.2
Titles: 2 Super Bowls
Playoff record as a starter: 7-3
Photo Credit: Allsport/Rick Stewart

WARREN MOON
Inducted: 2006
Team: Oilers (1984-86)
Games: 45 (45 starts)
Passing: 715-for-1,315, 54.4%, 9,536 yards
TD/INT: 40 TDs, 59 INTs
Passer rating: 69.1
Titles: 0
Playoff record as a starter: 0-0
Photo Credit: AP

JOE NAMATH
Inducted: 1985
Team: Jets (1965-73)
Games: 97 (91 starts)
Passing: 1,374-for-2,738, 50.2%, 21,065 yards
TD/INT: 131 TDs, 149 INTs
Passer rating: 69.2
Titles: 1 Super Bowl
Playoff record as a starter: 2-1
Photo Credit: SMI

BART STARR
Inducted: 1977
Team: Packers (1956-64)
Games: 112 (85 starts)
Passing: 1,032-for-1,818, 56.8%, 13,874 yards
TD/INT: 81 TDs, 79 INTs
Passer rating: 77.9
Titles: 1 NFL Championship
Playoff record as a starter: 2-1
Photo Credit: AP


ROGER STAUBACH
Inducted: 1985
Team: Cowboys (1969-72)
Games: 31 (14 starts)
Passing: 202-for-360, 56.1%, 2,943 yards
TD/INT: 18 TDs, 16 INTs
Passer rating: 81.1
Titles: 1 Super Bowl
Playoff record as a starter: 3-1
Photo Credit: Getty Images

FRAN TARKENTON
Inducted: 1986
Teams: Vikings (1961-66), Giants (1967-70)
Games: 140 (133 starts)
Passing: 1,849-for-3,411, 54.2%, 25,917 yards
TD/INT: 205 TDs, 146 INTs
Passer rating: 81.1
Titles: 0
Playoff record as a starter: 0-0
Photo Credit: AP


Y.A. TITTLE
Inducted: 1971
Teams: Colts (1948-50), 49ers (1951-56)
Games: 106 (75 starts)
Passing: 1,229-for-2,274, 54.0% 16,982 yards
TD/INT: 110 TDs, 132 INTs
Passer rating: 70.2
Titles: 0
Playoff record as a starter: 0-1
Photo Credit: AP

JOHNNY UNITAS
Inducted: 1979
Team: Colts (1956-63)
Games: 100 (95 starts)
Passing: 1,489-for-2,726, 54.6%, 21,491 yards
TD/INT: 168 TDs, 131 INTs
Passer rating: 81.0
Titles: 2 NFL Championships
Playoff record as a starter: 2-0
Photo Credit: AP

NORM VAN BROCKLIN
Inducted: 1971
Team: Rams (1949-56)
Games: 92 (53 starts)
Passing: 879-for-1632, 53.9%, 14,009 yards
TD/INT: 98 TDs, 106 INTs
Passer rating: 75.7
Titles: 1 NFL Championship
Playoff record as a starter: 1-3
*As a reserve
Photo Credit: AP


BOB WATERFIELD
Inducted: 1965
Team: Rams (1945-50)
Games: 68 (41 starts)
Passing: 675-for-1,332, 50.7%, 9,628 yards
TD/INT: 81 TDs, 107 INTs
Passer rating: 61.2
Titles: 1 NFL Championship
Playoff record as a starter: 2-2
Photo Credit: AP

STEVE YOUNG
Inducted: 2005
Teams: Buccaneers (1985-85), 49ers (1987-91)
Games: 65 (39 starts)
Passing: 640-for-1,104, 58.0%, 8.412 yards
TD/INT: 51 TDs, 35 INTs
Passer rating: 84.3
Titles: 1 Super Bowl*
Playoff record as a starter: 0-0
*As a reserve
Photo Credit: AP

bigbluedefense
03-03-2012, 12:36 PM
You can't compare eras like that. It was a different game back then. Having that said, I'm very confident Eli will be a HOFer by the end of his career.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-03-2012, 12:44 PM
You can't compare eras like that. It was a different game back then. Having that said, I'm very confident Eli will be a HOFer by the end of his career.

I know that's why I said different era. But non the less it's interesting to see where he stands in general. But for HOF people will compare good or bad. You have a different era, and then pre free agency era vs now in the free agency era. People will compare no matter what fair or not fair.

bigbluedefense
03-03-2012, 12:46 PM
I know that's why I said different era. But non the less it's interesting to see where he stands in general. But for HOF people will compare good or bad. You have a different era, and then pre free agency era vs now in the free agency era. People will compare no matter what fair or not fair.

I know. Eli has a good chance to make the HOF though. He's a 2 time SB champ and 2 time SB MVP. Every other 2 time SB MVP is in the HOF already. As long as Eli continues to play at his current level for the rest of his career, he'll make the HOF.

If he wins 1 more SB, then he's a slam dunk for the HOF. But he should get in even without another ring.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-03-2012, 12:53 PM
I know. Eli has a good chance to make the HOF though. He's a 2 time SB champ and 2 time SB MVP. Every other 2 time SB MVP is in the HOF already. As long as Eli continues to play at his current level for the rest of his career, he'll make the HOF.

If he wins 1 more SB, then he's a slam dunk for the HOF. But he should get in even without another ring.

185 TDs, and now it's a QB driven league, where the rules help. He can play anywhere from 8-10 more years. Assuming he continues with 25 TDs a year that puts him in the 300s for career TDs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_passing_touchdown s_leaders


That's top 5ish. He has the rings, and team awards and now you know what. He has team awards, rings, SB MVP, and money. Now I kinda wish for him to get his stats. Not at the price of wins obviously, but let him get the stats. At the goaline, screw handing it off. Let him throw it and get his.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-03-2012, 12:56 PM
Anyone have sites where they had super bowl pictures I can save and print out? getty images had it super bowl 42 back in 2007-2008. Anyone find any sits where they have super bowl pics? I'd like to save and print them on photo paper.

bigbluedefense
03-03-2012, 12:57 PM
Don't worry about stats. The only stat that matters is wins. Eli wins.

If handing off at the goal line means we win, then hand it off. I don't care about stats. Look at Phillip Rivers. The guy has all the stats in the world, but he's ringless, and will never be on Eli or Ben's level until he wins at least 1 SB.

It's all about winning. That's what this game is about.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-03-2012, 01:06 PM
Don't worry about stats. The only stat that matters is wins. Eli wins.

If handing off at the goal line means we win, then hand it off. I don't care about stats. Look at Phillip Rivers. The guy has all the stats in the world, but he's ringless, and will never be on Eli or Ben's level until he wins at least 1 SB.

It's all about winning. That's what this game is about.

And he will win. I have no doubt about that. Well, if we get the defense to be good on a consistent basis then I know we will be fine. That's the side of the ball that is a big let down. Can we actually get that working from game 1 and have it set? Can we actually keep our coordinators on that side of the ball?

I am not worried about wins, because we will get them. Rivers is on the opposite side of the fence. He is a stat guy, like Romo. But that's because of mismanagement on AJ Smith's part. But he needs that ring for that class. Eli will get wins, I have no doubt. He has money and rings. So now let him loose. Let him gets his stats. There is no rule that if you get stats now you can't get a ring. So let's let him get his as well. I don't think that will hurt us. I am not saying throwing Stafford like 663 attempts, or the 589 Eli had this year. Just let him get those TDs.

bigbluedefense
03-03-2012, 05:48 PM
While I want us to develop a 3rd WR in the draft, preferably in the 1st round and maintain a 3 headed WR core that's difficult to contain, I also want us to maintain balance on offense and I hope we make a concentrated effort this offseason to improve our run game this season.

I think a couple of changes can help:

1. Hopefully Petrus improves his pass protection enough that he can start. He's a mauler in the run game, him and Diehl on the left side will instantly upgrade our ability to run left.

2. Hopefully Baas gets his head out of his ass and develops some chemistry with the rest of the unit.

3. Hopefully we have a RT in place to replace McKenzie come training camp. Brewer doesn't sound ready, Beatty is a backup swing tackle, we need someone to step up here.

4. Hopefully we draft some RBs who run with authority. Jacobs is washed up, Bradshaw isn't the same runner he used to be, he's always running on broken feet and dances way too much now. We need fresh blood at RB.

5. Hopefully Hynoski improves his run blocking.

Basically, everything is in house changes that involve practice and repetition outside of getting a RT and some RBs.

OSUGiants17
03-04-2012, 05:35 PM
Saw an interesting article about potential Manningham replacements, and it mentioned Robert Meachem. If we have the money and he is willing I would love to have him as our outside WR with Cruz in the slot. I really don't want Steve Smith, because it means moving Cruz outside.

OSUGiants17
03-05-2012, 03:56 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/Giants/status/176775328897839104

YES! Weatherford is coming back!

OSUGiants17
03-05-2012, 04:37 PM
http://prod.static.giants.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/Homepage-Photos/signing-schedule.pdf

For anyone interested in meeting JPP, Manningham, Rolle and/or Nicks and wanting to buy the SuperBowl DVD

bigbluedefense
03-07-2012, 05:06 PM
Anyone watch the SuperBowl DVD yet? Is it just the Super Bowl or does it go over the entire season like the 07 DVD?

OSUGiants17
03-07-2012, 05:12 PM
Anyone watch the SuperBowl DVD yet? Is it just the Super Bowl or does it go over the entire season like the 07 DVD?

I'm assuming it is the same as the 07 DVD with the whole regular and post season, plus the Super Bowl and some extras. I plan on buying it for my dad for his birthday or Father's day, maybe a Super Bowl champs T-Shirt as well

bigbluedefense
03-07-2012, 05:14 PM
I heard it's only an hour long, that's why I was curious. How can the whole season be done in 1 hour? Unless I'm mistaken, the 07 dvd didn't feel like just 1 hour.

Giantsfan1080
03-07-2012, 05:21 PM
The 2007 DVD was a little over an hour also. I planned on going out and buying the new one on Blu-Ray this weekend. I also can't wait until they release the full games on Blu-Ray.

OSUGiants17
03-07-2012, 05:22 PM
The 2007 DVD was a little over an hour also. I planned on going out and buying the new one on Blu-Ray this weekend. I also can't wait until they release the full games on Blu-Ray.

Full games? Do they release a more in-depth DVD for a little more $?

Giantsfan1080
03-07-2012, 05:24 PM
Yeah in 2007 a couple months after the 2007 season in review DVD came out they released every playoff game and the Week 17 game against the Pats on DVD(no commercials). The Blu Ray might have more extras than the regular DVD but I'm not sure.

Damix
03-07-2012, 06:12 PM
McKenzie will be allowed to walk. I think we all expected that.

Early prediction on line: Beatty, Boothe, Baas, Snee, Diehl

bigbluedefense
03-07-2012, 06:17 PM
When you take a step back and stare at that line for a second...

you realize how awful it is. Let's hope Beatty never sniffs the starting lineup again, and let's hope that Petrus can step up at LG and Baas gets his head out of his ass.

Giantsfan1080
03-07-2012, 06:18 PM
Sad to see McKenzie go even though he hasn't been good in a while. What a great FA signing and more importantly a great NY Giant.

Damix
03-07-2012, 06:20 PM
I can almost guarantee Beatty will be our starting LT barring unforeseen circumstances.

bigbluedefense
03-07-2012, 06:22 PM
It wouldn't surprise me but it would be an awful decision. He's just not a good player. If this is the case, I'm starting to hope a LT falls to us in the 1st so we can take that guy.

Giantsfan1080
03-07-2012, 06:25 PM
Keep Diehl at LT. Diehl-Boothe-Baas-Snee-FA Sign.

bigbluedefense
03-07-2012, 06:31 PM
I'm fine with Diehl at LT. He's the Nissan Sentra of Left Tackles. Good enough, reliable enough, and cheap.

It sounds like Brewer is not even close to being ready at RT, which means we either

1. Move Beatty there
2. Move Diehl there
3 Sign someone
4. Draft someone

We're gonna miss McKenzie. Class act, a great Giant. But it was time to move on. We'll miss his run blocking a lot.

LTgiants
03-07-2012, 06:33 PM
I think Beatty will be better off on the right side. Beside do we even have enough money to sign a quality starting lineman right now?

Giantsfan1080
03-07-2012, 06:37 PM
I've always thought he would be much better suited at RT but I can't really find many people to agree with me. That's why I put a FA signee there instead of Beatty.

bigbluedefense
03-07-2012, 06:40 PM
The problem I have with Beatty at RT is he's an awful run blocker. And we love running to our right.

When he played LT, our run game to the left was so bad that we literally were only capable of running right. Then teams loaded the right side and we couldn't run at all.

When Diehl moved to LT our run game went from utterly pathetic on the left side to just real bad. Beatty was the culprit.

Then when Petrus came into the lineup our ability to run left was actually decent.

While I want to keep our WR core our strength, I also want us to reestablish the run game this offseason as well. And Beatty is a speed bump of epic proportions when it comes to that.

Plus the guy weighs 290 lbs soaking wet. I fear the thought of him being bull rushed.

bigbluedefense
03-07-2012, 06:40 PM
I admit he's better on the right side, but he still sucks.

Giantsfan1080
03-07-2012, 06:43 PM
I admit he's better on the right side, but he still sucks.

Unfortunately I'm leaning towards this as well.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-07-2012, 06:44 PM
When you take a step back and stare at that line for a second...

you realize how awful it is. Let's hope Beatty never sniffs the starting lineup again, and let's hope that Petrus can step up at LG and Baas gets his head out of his ass.

I hope we can bring someone to challenge David D. Maybe Brewer can do something or if we draft Mike Adams or whatever his name is from Ohio State. I want someone to challenge David D. let's actually play the guys we draft and see what they can do.

bigbluedefense
03-07-2012, 06:46 PM
I hope we can bring someone to challenge David D. Maybe Brewer can do something or if we draft Mike Adams or whatever his name is from Ohio State. I want someone to challenge David D. let's actually play the guys we draft and see what they can do.

Shush you. Diehl is good enough. Enjoy your 4th round developmental linemen. You know that's what you're gonna get.

Giantsfan1080
03-07-2012, 06:49 PM
I mean we did win not 1 but 2 Super Bowls with Diehl at LT. I'm fine with him staying there.

bigbluedefense
03-07-2012, 06:53 PM
Yeah Diehl isn't the problem at all. The real problem is C and now RT. Go back and watch the playoff runs all over again, Baas was so awful it wasn't even funny.

He's awful. What a horrible signing. If we didn't sign him, I'd be all aboard the Peter Konz train right now. Petrus needs to work on his pass pro so he can move to LG.

It's no surprise our oline was significantly better when Boothe replaced Baas. He's just so bad.

I'm in the minority on this, but I believe that the C position is the new LT. LTs are overrated now, but Cs are not. They are such great value picks in the 1st round, and it's such an important position now.

And our Center blows.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-07-2012, 06:55 PM
Shush you. Diehl is good enough. Enjoy your 4th round developmental linemen. You know that's what you're gonna get.

I don't want good enough protecting a 2 time super bowl MVP in his prime. He is starting to become a bandaide. Hey, we have a hole on one side. Stick David D there and call it a day. I would rather have him challenged for his spot, and see if he can earn it.

Giantsfan1080
03-07-2012, 06:59 PM
I don't think Baas was as bad as you're making him out to be in the playoff run, I actually think he did very well in the first half against the 49'ers before the whole line went to trash. Also, in the SB Wilfork wasn't that much of a factor because Baas did a damn good job on him. Give him the full year to work with the other guys and get healthy and at worst he'll be average at C.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-07-2012, 07:03 PM
Baas was hurt a lot of the year with no off season, so he needs to learn, get better and the whole OL needs chemistry.

scottyboy
03-07-2012, 08:35 PM
who knows...maybe Brewer will be the developmental OT who works out for us

bigbluedefense
03-07-2012, 09:16 PM
Maybe we can grab Anthony Collins from Cinncy.

scottyboy
03-08-2012, 09:54 AM
we officially re-sign Ballard and Bruce Johnson for 1 year $540,000 each

Jughead10
03-08-2012, 10:39 AM
On Eli's cap number.

His cap number is now $9.6M for this season, which is nearly $7M less than it was. ... It balloons to over $20M next year, though.

2013: $20.85m (was 18.6)
2014: $20.4m (was $18.15)
2015: $19.75 (was $17.5)

Not sure how I feel about this?

NY+Giants=NYG
03-08-2012, 10:46 AM
Well we have to pay the guy. So take it now or later. I guess we will take it next year. That is the costs of doing business and having a franchise QB.

Giantsfan1080
03-08-2012, 10:51 AM
They chopped $9 million off the yearly salary of 2012 and converted it into guaranteed bonus money. The $9 million can now be spread equally throughout the remaining 4 years of his deal. I don't think his cap number will be as high as your listing.

Giantsfan1080
03-08-2012, 10:57 AM
Well after looking through everything I guess it is right. That cap better go up by the amount they're expecting.

Jughead10
03-08-2012, 10:58 AM
They chopped $9 million off the yearly salary of 2012 and converted it into guaranteed bonus money. The $9 million can now be spread equally throughout the remaining 4 years of his deal. I don't think his cap number will be as high as your listing.

It 100% will be. Those are the numbers. The bad part is they aren't expecting the cap to go up until 2014.

Giantsfan1080
03-08-2012, 11:08 AM
It 100% will be. Those are the numbers. The bad part is they aren't expecting the cap to go up until 2014.

Yeah it looks like we might have to tread water until then. Next offseason we might see some bigger named surprise cuts.

bigbluedefense
03-08-2012, 11:51 AM
Which is why it's so important to draft well. You can't keep teams together very long in the NFL anymore.

Keep pumping in talent into the dline and WR core, and make do with the rest of it.

This team will look very different in 2014, maybe even 2013.

Giantsfan1080
03-08-2012, 12:01 PM
Which is why it's so important to draft well. You can't keep teams together very long in the NFL anymore.

Keep pumping in talent into the dline and WR core, and make do with the rest of it.

This team will look very different in 2014, maybe even 2013.

I'm comfortable in saying that the only players that will definitely be on this team in 2014 are Eli, Nicks, Cruz, JPP, Linval, Prince, and maybe J. Williams. I think everyone else is a toss up.

Jughead10
03-08-2012, 12:07 PM
I'm comfortable in saying that the only players that will definitely be on this team in 2014 are Eli, Nicks, Cruz, JPP, Linval, Prince, and maybe J. Williams. I think everyone else is a toss up.

Problem is 3 of those guys will need new contracts for that to happen.

bigbluedefense
03-08-2012, 12:12 PM
I'm comfortable in saying that the only players that will definitely be on this team in 2014 are Eli, Nicks, Cruz, JPP, Linval, Prince, and maybe J. Williams. I think everyone else is a toss up.

That's fair to say.

Which is another reason why I'm perfectly fine with drafting another OLB some time in the draft if the right one is there. By the time we cut Boley, we have a guy in house to replace him. That's how the great teams do it. We have to be ready for that.

Jughead10
03-08-2012, 12:14 PM
I would also add Bradshaw to that list as well if he can stay fairly healthy. He has a very reasonable deal. No reason to cut him. And Snee. Even if his play continues to fall, I can't see him wanting to play for another team. I'd like to think he'd be a big team player and come back at a good price.

bigbluedefense
03-08-2012, 12:17 PM
The big question we have to ask ourselves is do they re-sign Tuck?

That's going to be the biggest possible cut. He's injury prone and honestly won't be worth the money he'll get, but at the same time, he's the face of the defense and we know the Giants are sentimental.

Giving Tuck a big contract moving forward could be a problem.

Jughead10
03-08-2012, 12:20 PM
The big question we have to ask ourselves is do they re-sign Tuck?

That's going to be the biggest possible cut. He's injury prone and honestly won't be worth the money he'll get, but at the same time, he's the face of the defense and we know the Giants are sentimental.

Giving Tuck a big contract moving forward could be a problem.

I think this season will be big for him. If he plays like he did the last 6 games of the year, he'll probably get an extension.

bigbluedefense
03-08-2012, 12:24 PM
I think this season will be big for him. If he plays like he did the last 6 games of the year, he'll probably get an extension.

And then he'll get hurt the following year. That's the thing with Tuck. The question has never been about ability. When he's healthy he's a beast. The problem is he can never stay healthy for 2 seasons in a row. He's a walking bandage.

Jughead10
03-08-2012, 12:26 PM
And then he'll get hurt the following year. That's the thing with Tuck. The question has never been about ability. When he's healthy he's a beast. The problem is he can never stay healthy for 2 seasons in a row. He's a walking bandage.

I think it was in his head this year. He wasn't any less hurt at the end of the year. I think he just found out how to push himself through it. I hate to say it but he may have just been a bit soft in the past. And Rolle called him out on it.

bigbluedefense
03-08-2012, 12:30 PM
I think it was in his head this year. He wasn't any less hurt at the end of the year. I think he just found out how to push himself through it. I hate to say it but he may have just been a bit soft in the past. And Rolle called him out on it.

Very true. Let's hope. Speaking of Rolle, he's probably gone in 2014.

And in regards to Tuck, he's MUCH better as an inside rusher vs an outside guy. If you noticed, when he kicks in to UT on 3rd down, that's when he gets most of his pressure. He's not a great edge rusher, but when he kicks inside, he's unbelievable.

Giantsfan1080
03-08-2012, 12:42 PM
I wanted to add Tuck/Snee to those player but because they're on the lines I thought the injury factor might hurt them. I do think in the end both will still be here also though. I guess I should have added DeOssie also since he'll long snap for us as long as he wants to.

As for Tuck it wasn't just his head/neck that was hurt. In an interview he actually said all of the following were hurt:

Shoulder, Neck, Foot, Knee, Groin, Wrist,tore 2 ligaments in fingers

Giantsfan1080
03-08-2012, 12:43 PM
The transformation of Rolle has amazed me also. This guy started as a yapper and while he still talks now I see him as the leader of the defense along with Tuck. For him to have that heart to heart with Coughlin and totally change his tune was unbelievable.

bigbluedefense
03-08-2012, 02:40 PM
Yeah Rolle has definitely changed for the better. I'm amazed at how the light just turned on for him. Him calling out Tuck was the best thing to happen to our season. We don't win the SB if he doesn't do that.

Giantsfan1080
03-08-2012, 02:44 PM
It was certainly one of the major factors.

Giantsfan1080
03-08-2012, 02:45 PM
Did Prince play at all in the Super Bowl?

bigbluedefense
03-08-2012, 03:23 PM
Yeah. Special teams. I think he might have gotten a snap or 2 on defense too. Not sure.

BigBlueNorwegian
03-09-2012, 02:57 PM
Giants will release Jacobs per Garafolos twitter. Thanks for the memories Jacobs, but it was time. Your body has broken down too much to get the salary you demanded.

Giantsfan1080
03-09-2012, 03:19 PM
Me sad even with Jacobs loud mouth. Another great Giant and I'm very upset to see him go.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-09-2012, 03:23 PM
I Never was a fan of him. Couldn't stand him actually. But thanks for your services and being part of 2 super bowl teams. Good luck to you.

BaLLiN
03-09-2012, 03:32 PM
I Never was a fan of him. Couldn't stand him actually. But thanks for your services and being part of 2 super bowl teams. Good luck to you.

I feel like this, but I am sad to see the big baby go. He had a big mouth and didn't always back it up, but he was a big part of our team for the last 7 years?

NY+Giants=NYG
03-09-2012, 03:48 PM
I feel like this, but I am sad to see the big baby go. He had a big mouth and didn't always back it up, but he was a big part of our team for the last 7 years?

I can understand it I guess. I am listening to the fan and listening to all the Jacobs fan venting on him being cut. LOL. Personally, and this is my opinion going back to doing my game breakdowns and going play by play, but I think Jacobs was the most over rated Giant I can remember. Not only that he was a dirty player, and couldn't keep his mouth shut. There really is nothing I like about that fool.

LTgiants
03-09-2012, 03:52 PM
How is he a dirty player?

NY+Giants=NYG
03-09-2012, 03:55 PM
How is he a dirty player?

Did we all forget games where he got in his boxing stance and start swinging? I didn't, he did that a lot in his tenure here.

LTgiants
03-09-2012, 04:02 PM
Did we all forget games where he got in his boxing stance and start swinging? I didn't, he did that a lot in his tenure here.

That doesn't make him a dirty player. It makes him a stupid player who does and says stupid things.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-09-2012, 04:05 PM
That doesn't make him a dirty player. It makes him a stupid player who does and says stupid things.

Eh, semantics. I think it's dirty when a player thinks he is boxing when he is offended about something, and starts swinging like he is in the ring. He also smacked the heck out of a skins player in the face. I have a gif on that somewhere. It was on the extremeskins MB a while back. But I am glad he is gone now.

LTgiants
03-09-2012, 04:11 PM
Eh, semantics. I think it's dirty when a player thinks he is boxing when he is offended about something, and starts swinging like he is in the ring. He also smacked the heck out of a skins player in the face. I have a gif on that somewhere. It was on the extremeskins MB a while back. But I am glad he is gone now.

I think dirty is like if he intentionally went out there trying to take people out and end their careers or taking a cheap shot on somebody. Actions like those are dirty.

When I think of Jacobs actions I think more stupidity.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-09-2012, 04:14 PM
I think dirty is like if he intentionally went out there trying to take people out and end their careers or taking a cheap shot on somebody. Actions like those are dirty.

When I think of Jacobs actions I think more stupidity.

I think that falls into dirty as well. I consider all that dirty and punk like. Like I said it's perhaps semantics. Basically the point is, I dislike when he did those things a lot. Big time turn over and while I am appreciative of his services, I am not going to miss him. I disliked him a lot on our team.

LTgiants
03-09-2012, 04:19 PM
I think that falls into dirty as well. I consider all that dirty and punk like. Like I said it's perhaps semantics. Basically the point is, I dislike when he did those things a lot. Big time turn over and while I am appreciative of his services, I am not going to miss him. I disliked him a lot on our team.

I think there are degrees of things but pretty much we are talking semantics.

I liked him especially his first couple years but like you I am not going to miss him. He is replaceable.

BaLLiN
03-09-2012, 04:33 PM
I think dirty is like if he intentionally went out there trying to take people out and end their careers or taking a cheap shot on somebody. Actions like those are dirty.

When I think of Jacobs actions I think more stupidity.

Bingo. Say what you want, but I've liked some of the things he's done. Telling Ryan he was gonna punch him in the face and that he was full of hot air was awesome.

He has taken multiple pay cuts to keep other players, he's a team player, he's just not smart and stopped using his strengths (running north and south) and began getting fancy.

OSUGiants17
03-09-2012, 04:34 PM
I Never was a fan of him. Couldn't stand him actually. But thanks for your services and being part of 2 super bowl teams. Good luck to you.

I agree with this, will be strange seeing him on another team next year though

BaLLiN
03-09-2012, 04:37 PM
I agree with this, will be strange seeing him on another team next year though

You think someone will take him? Why wouldn't we try to trade him for anything at all?

OSUGiants17
03-09-2012, 04:50 PM
You think someone will take him? Why wouldn't we try to trade him for anything at all?
Someone will definitely take him, we probably asked for too much in a trade and only got offered late round picks that we can get as comp picks anyways.

bigbluedefense
03-09-2012, 05:30 PM
I met Jacobs. Off the field he is humble, and a great guy. Very down to earth, and always great with the fans.

I'll miss him. He was one of my favorite Giants. In his prime he was great. Yes he was dumb on the field, yes he was washed up for the past 3 years, but he was still a key piece to our team for 7 years, and I'm gonna miss him.

He was the poster boy for smash mouth Coughlin football for this team in his prime. He set the tone for us on offense with his physicality.

Thanks for the great memories Jacobs. You'll be missed and will always be a Giant.

Giantsfan1080
03-09-2012, 06:01 PM
Very well said BBD. Also, let's not forget the most important 1 yard he did get in SB 42.

Giantsfan1080
03-09-2012, 07:40 PM
In honor of Jacobs:

http://dest.tv/images/killdozer.gif

BaLLiN
03-09-2012, 10:18 PM
time to change my avatar i guess :/

OSUGiants17
03-10-2012, 11:15 AM
So um, on another forum I saw Osi for Briggs. Would you do it? I mean I just don't know if I would want a OLB, but Briggs is a monster.

Rosebud
03-10-2012, 02:45 PM
So um, on another forum I saw Osi for Briggs. Would you do it? I mean I just don't know if I would want a OLB, but Briggs is a monster.

Yeah, it would make our D phenomenal to have Briggs and Boley out there together at all times. I'd probably let Briggs take over at the WILL and shift Boley over to SAM or even Mike, since he played very well as our MIKE in the Nickel until Chase came into the fold. Yeah Briggs is getting older, but he's still an elite player quite possible the best 4-3 LB in the league. If we had a Briggs-Boley-Jacquain LB corps in front of our secondary we'd be so damn hard to throw the ball against. With a front 4 of JPP-Canty-Joseph-Tuck in front of them we wouldn't even be as weak against the run as the size of the LBs would suggest.

Giantsfan1080
03-10-2012, 03:10 PM
Yeah I love Osi a ton but I think I would do that at this point. I'd want us to draft a DE early though or sign someone else. Doesn't Briggs make more than Osi also though and he's been complaining about his contract?

LTgiants
03-10-2012, 03:13 PM
This is Briggs contract according to rotoworld.
2012: $3.75 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: Free Agent

and this is osi

2011: $3.125 million, 2012: $3.975 million, 2013: Free Agent

Rosebud
03-10-2012, 03:20 PM
Yeah I love Osi a ton but I think I would do that at this point. I'd want us to draft a DE early though or sign someone else. Doesn't Briggs make more than Osi also though and he's been complaining about his contract?

I would look for a DE, but not force anything. We shift Kiwi over there this year and we've still got our 3 studs. Hopefully one ends up in the discussion for BPA in the second or third and we get another kid to groom. I have no clue about Briggs' contract situation though, so if it's not feasible it's not feasible.

Rosebud
03-10-2012, 03:25 PM
Looks like if that trade ever happened, a Briggs extension would be part of the trade.

Giantsfan1080
03-10-2012, 03:43 PM
Looks like if that trade ever happened, a Briggs extension would be part of the trade.

I don't think we have the cap space to sign a player like Briggs.

bigbluedefense
03-10-2012, 03:44 PM
I love Briggs, I think he's one of the most underrated players in the league, but he's getting old and will want a contract. It's the Osi situation just with a LB instead of a DE.

I rather just go after a LB in the draft. Stay young, stay cheap. We're going to have to be smart about how we rebuild this team, bc this core unit only has 1 to 2 years left.

Spence can be a ILB/OLB tweener like Beason who can become our ILB of the future/Boley replacement and he'll be much cheaper and younger.

Gotta stay with the draft and just build wisely through the draft. We have to be real smart about how we hand out contracts over the next 2 years so we don't go into a rebuilding mode.

Giantsfan1080
03-12-2012, 12:10 PM
Tollefson unlikely to return. :(

NY+Giants=NYG
03-12-2012, 12:27 PM
I liked him! I wish he could have stayed. I wonder if we like someone else perhaps on the PS or unknown guy. I like Tolly, but I wish him the best.

scottyboy
03-12-2012, 12:48 PM
dammit! if we lose tolly and chase i'm going to be PISSED

NY+Giants=NYG
03-12-2012, 01:05 PM
dammit! if we lose tolly and chase i'm going to be PISSED

Then I can see you being very pissed pretty soon.

Giantsfan1080
03-12-2012, 01:09 PM
I believe that's now 3 of the players who have won 2 rings with us that will be gone. Ross is next and possibly Osi.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-12-2012, 01:13 PM
I guess that means a lot of younger guys will be playing this coming year. I like that actually. Play the guys we draft and see what we have.

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 01:30 PM
I can't say I'm surprised. I think we're going to see a very different roster in the next couple of years. It's around that time. This is the problem with drafting the way we do, it's impossible to keep everyone when you land 4 guys each draft, bc you can't pay all of them. It's obviously a good problem to have, but that's just life in the FA era.

I'm gonna miss them. I liked all of them. Especially Chase. I think not re-signing Chase is a huge mistake.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-12-2012, 01:38 PM
I can't say I'm surprised. I think we're going to see a very different roster in the next couple of years. It's around that time. This is the problem with drafting the way we do, it's impossible to keep everyone when you land 4 guys each draft, bc you can't pay all of them. It's obviously a good problem to have, but that's just life in the FA era.

I'm gonna miss them. I liked all of them. Especially Chase. I think not re-signing Chase is a huge mistake.

I think the problem specifically is developing players. Now we need to play people faster. Scott, Brown, Brewer, and any of the rookie Lbs drafted last season. Come on down! Your turn to step the F up! WRs? Barden get your butt in there now or get the F off the team! JJ your turn, Dillard, Willard, Tracy, and all those guys. Let's go! Patience is wearing thin. Your up! Anyone else? Petrus! Get your butt in the starting line up! Win your training camp position battle!

Prince! You better be ready to start. We can't wait, so Webster and you better hold it down. Sash! Let's go and step up!

Now is the opportunity or better yet moment where these guys need to step up! Next man up!

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 02:01 PM
That's the thing though. You can't rush guys either. You just have to let the chips fall where they may. Just keep drafting well and keep plugging guys in where you can. Don't give out bad contracts, draft well. That's all you can do.

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 04:49 PM
Bring back Boss for cheap. Sounds like a plan.

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 05:18 PM
I wonder if we should go after Levi Brown. Might be worth it. Only for a reasonable contract though. Same with Boss.

Giantsfan1080
03-12-2012, 05:34 PM
Boss would come very cheap I'd imagine. We'd still need to bring in another vet TE besides him though because of his concussion issues.

OSUGiants17
03-12-2012, 05:40 PM
I don't wanna lose Tolly or Chase, especially Chase. I would much, much, much prefer to keep Chase over Goff.

LTgiants
03-12-2012, 05:52 PM
That's right this FA period we should just bring in all former Giants lol.

scottyboy
03-12-2012, 06:15 PM
so read on BBI that Tolbert said he'd love to be a giant (and bashed the Jets).

He would be so good of a fit, it makes me head explode

OSUGiants17
03-12-2012, 06:18 PM
so read on BBI that Tolbert said he'd love to be a giant (and bashed the Jets).

He would be so good of a fit, it makes me head explode

If he really wants to come here I will gladly welcome him. His power with Bradshaw and Scott could give us Earth Wind & Fire again! Also, him wanting to play here may mean we could save a little money and pay him a little less.

LTgiants
03-12-2012, 06:28 PM
Maybe we can use the new 1.6 million we got from the Cowboys/Redskins overpaying to get Tolbert.

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 09:06 PM
Pass on Tolbert. We need to go young. Let's stay with the youth movement, we need fresh blood at RB. Young and cheap.

The FAs I would love are Boss on a cheap/reasonable contract, Shincao on a 1 year deal, Eric Winston if we can get him for a reasonable price, and that's pretty much it.

If we can get Boss and Winston, that's 2 huge needs we fill before the draft which allows us to go BPA all the way through the whole draft. It would be huge.

Not having a contract in place with Terrel Thomas yet is getting me nervous. What's going on? I hope this doesn't become another Steve Smith situation.

Also, while I really wanted Moss, him signing with the 49ers is great news for us. That's 1 less team who would look at WR in the 1st round. Maybe that gives us a better chance of Stephen Hill. Or Kendall Wright, which either one is fine with me.

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 09:07 PM
Lofton too, but he's going to get more money than he's probably worth.

scottyboy
03-12-2012, 09:25 PM
idk BBD, I don't want to waste an early pick on RB and if we could get him cheap, him and Bradshaw is a damn good duo.

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 09:30 PM
I wouldn't mind a 3rd round pick on a RB. We need fresh blood at RB. Bradshaw is not the same RB from 07. His feet are constantly broken, he dances way too much now behind the line. He used to be a 1 cut and go guy. Now he's a dancer. He's not the same player and to be honest I think he's one of our more overrated players. He's a tough SOB, but his vision has gone to ****.

And behind him we have a raw 7th round RB as the backup. That's not good enough going into this season. We need another guy in there, a quality guy, who can step up and give us some quality snaps.

I'm eyeing Robert Turbin as our Jacobs replacement. He's perfect for us.

Giantsfan1080
03-12-2012, 09:34 PM
I think Thomas is going to walk. I feel another team is going to offer more than we are going to.

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 09:37 PM
It feels like the Steve Smith situation all over again.

That begs the question, do you re-sign Ross now if Thomas walks? I think if the price is right, we should bring Ross back. Ross is a solid #2 outside CB. He can't play the slot to save his life, but as an outside guy defending the opposition's #2, I think he's solid.

Giantsfan1080
03-12-2012, 09:38 PM
It feels like the Steve Smith situation all over again.

That begs the question, do you re-sign Ross now if Thomas walks? I think if the price is right, we should bring Ross back. Ross is a solid #2 outside CB. He can't play the slot to save his life, but as an outside guy defending the opposition's #2, I think he's solid.

I think it's pretty imperative that we sign one of them back. I don't care who at this point because I think Prince will step up fine into the #2 role next year.

scottyboy
03-12-2012, 09:43 PM
think it means someone like Gilmore from South Carolina could be a chance for us at 32. I like that kid and think he could be a good corner for us

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 09:45 PM
Drafting Prince wound up being such a huge pick for us. It's amazing how sometimes it all falls into place. He went from a complete luxury pick to a necessity.

I have a feeling we lose both of them. It's a Jerry Reese move. Lowball both of em, lose em in FA, and just draft a replacement/pull a replacement out of your ass.

Reese is good enough to make it work though. But I'd still prefer to sign one of them back.

Giantsfan1080
03-12-2012, 09:48 PM
I'd feel a lot more comfortable at least getting one of them back but at this point you have to give Reese the benefit of the doubt. If they don't want to come back at our price then next guy steps in.

LTgiants
03-12-2012, 09:52 PM
I think you can at least replace Aaron Ross. I know he played well last season but I think Bruce Johnson is able to replace him if he is healthy and given the chance.

TT on the other hand even will be the one harder to replace.

Giantsfan1080
03-12-2012, 09:54 PM
Who knows what Thomas can bring to the table though after the 2 ACL tears.

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 09:54 PM
The more I look at it, the more I realize this team is going to look very different in 2 years. I think our core unit is going to get blown up very soon.

Thomas and Ross and possibly Osi will be gone this year on defense. We'll lose Mario, McKenzie, and Jacobs on offense. Next year we'll probably lose Kenny, maybe Canty, and who knows what else.

We just have to hope we keep drafting well. Bc if we don't, we're screwed.

Giantsfan1080
03-12-2012, 09:56 PM
The more I look at it, the more I realize this team is going to look very different in 2 years. I think our core unit is going to get blown up very soon.

Thomas and Ross and possibly Osi will be gone this year on defense. We'll lose Mario, McKenzie, and Jacobs on offense. Next year we'll probably lose Kenny, maybe Canty, and who knows what else.

We just have to hope we keep drafting well. Bc if we don't, we're screwed.

Yeah that's why I posted the other day that it's possible in 2 years we only have 6 or 7 players remaining from this SB victory. The turnover is going to be way more than between 42 and 46.

LTgiants
03-12-2012, 09:57 PM
Who knows what Thomas can bring to the table though after the 2 ACL tears.

You don't know. However I am assuming the Giants feel at least somewhat comfortable with his progress otherwise I don't think they would be negotiating with him.

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 10:00 PM
I like Bruce Johnson a lot. He's a great nickel CB. I really like having 3 very good CBs though. I think you need that in today's league, and if we lose both TT and Ross, we lose that.

scottyboy
03-12-2012, 10:12 PM
Yeah that's why I posted the other day that it's possible in 2 years we only have 6 or 7 players remaining from this SB victory. The turnover is going to be way more than between 42 and 46.

well 42 was incredible because we won with so many young guys and rookies making impact plays. that was nice. damn, what a special season.

But hey, we need to keep drafting well and hit on some of our lower picks

bigbluedefense
03-12-2012, 10:27 PM
Well if Austin pans out, we just need another stud de in the draft and our dline is complete assuming we lose Osi and Kiwi long term. Williams replaces Boley, we need other LBs anyway, Rolle replaces KP, Prince replaces TT, we're just a de, safety, cb and lb away on completing the roster turnover on defense. On offense, Eli can make whatever we have work, as long as we keep Nicks and Cruz long term so I'm not worried.

Long story short, 2 solid drafts and we'll be just fine. In Reese we trust.

Rosebud
03-12-2012, 11:03 PM
Pass on Tolbert. We need to go young. Let's stay with the youth movement, we need fresh blood at RB. Young and cheap.

The FAs I would love are Boss on a cheap/reasonable contract, Shincao on a 1 year deal, Eric Winston if we can get him for a reasonable price, and that's pretty much it.

If we can get Boss and Winston, that's 2 huge needs we fill before the draft which allows us to go BPA all the way through the whole draft. It would be huge.

Not having a contract in place with Terrel Thomas yet is getting me nervous. What's going on? I hope this doesn't become another Steve Smith situation.

Also, while I really wanted Moss, him signing with the 49ers is great news for us. That's 1 less team who would look at WR in the 1st round. Maybe that gives us a better chance of Stephen Hill. Or Kendall Wright, which either one is fine with me.

Wait a minute...Eric Winston's a FA? We better trade Osi then. Dude's been on of the best RTs in football and would be like a better version of the McKenzie signing.

Big_Pete
03-13-2012, 03:38 AM
There is a lot of talk that the raiders are going to cut Kevin Boss, he would be a great fit here.

Big_Pete
03-13-2012, 05:03 AM
RB Mike Tolbert has expressed interest in replacing Jacobs

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13162/tolbert-says-he-can-fill-jacobs-void

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 08:27 AM
T2 is back. Very happy. Still awaiting details.

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 08:39 AM
Excellent news!! Glad I was wrong that I started to believe he was going to walk. In Reese we trust!!!

BigBlueNorwegian
03-13-2012, 08:48 AM
T2 is back. Very happy. Still awaiting details.

Great news!:banana: :banana: :banana:

bigbluedefense
03-13-2012, 08:59 AM
Great news. Now our secondary is solid for next year as long as we bring back another depth guy.

Now onto Eric Winston! Go get em Reese. He's worth it. Especially since we can't develop OTs to save our life.

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 09:09 AM
I'd like to still bring Tryon back. Last I read is that they were close so hopeful that's still the case.

Winston is going to have a lot of money thrown at him. Don't think that we'll be able to compete for him but he would be a perfect fit.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 09:16 AM
Bass restructures. Lowering his cap hit by 2.1 million.

His remaining cap numbers after 2012 were going to be:

2013: $6.2m
2014: $6.7m
2015: $6.95m

I assume you can add 700k onto each one of those now. After some quick math, I believe if we cut him next year, we would get some cap relief even after the restructure.

bigbluedefense
03-13-2012, 09:19 AM
He should restructure himself off the team. **** you Baas.

That was a bad contract. Hopefully he's tolerable this year.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 09:20 AM
Actually I think my math is wrong. It would cost us more money to cut him after this season than to keep him. By a half million I think.

bigbluedefense
03-13-2012, 09:22 AM
6.5 mill a season for a mediocre C. What an awful contract. Winston is a top 5 RT in the league and was due 5 million this year and got cut.

Put that in perspective.

We can sugarcoat it all we want, but that was a bad contract. We have to dump him somehow. I'll be pissed if that contract prevents us from re-signing a core guy 2 years from now.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 09:27 AM
Cutting him doesn't make sense until he plays 2 more seasons.

bigbluedefense
03-13-2012, 09:41 AM
I was hoping we could cut him after this season. I guess we're stuck then.

All we can do is hope he plays much better next year after having a TC with these guys.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 09:44 AM
I was hoping we could cut him after this season. I guess we're stuck then.

All we can do is hope he plays much better next year after having a TC with these guys.

We could I guess. It would just cost us a little more to cut him than keep him. Even if he isn't starting you might as well have him as a reserve if it is going to cost 500k to 1 million more to cut him.

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 10:09 AM
You are really the most impatient person here BBD. Yankees fan like.

scottyboy
03-13-2012, 10:11 AM
TT being back is huge. Go get tolbert, Draft OL, WR, TE, DE. boom. we're set

oh, and bring back chase

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 10:15 AM
You are really the most impatient person here BBD. Yankees fan like.

LOL. That's why I blame BBD for the problems in the world, for example global warming.

On another note, that's why we delegate him to the defensive side of the ball!

BBD! Let's see what the center can do with a full off season and such. Maybe the whole OL can get their act together. Let's see how he does this season with a full off season.

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 10:17 AM
Exactly. He started off slow and was terrible I'll fully admit that. He showed a lot of improvement however and was actually very steady from the Jets game on. The whole unit as a whole got bitched in the 2nd half by the 49'ers so I'm not putting that on him. This is all with no offseason and some injury problems. I look forward to see what he does next year.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 11:37 AM
I know our offense is high risk/high reward, but as I was watching videos of our offense, I noticed when Eli has lots of time to throw, he still is waiting for guys to get open. We have no short, dump off threats in our system. In the GB play off game, Eli has forever to throw. Probably 5-6 seconds, just sitting back there, and no one got open. I am assuming they ran their routes, saw Eli still waiting, then broke off their routes to come back to the ball. This worked where Eli would make plays and we saw sacks as well.

We NEED a shorter check down option in terms of play design, so we can get the player the ball when nothing is down field. That will help Eli as he gets older from taking hits. I noticed this a lot actually.

I took a while watching this and it bothered me. Even in the super bowl, no one was open in the red zone and Eli got sacked. Bradshaw was open near him couple of times but too late. We need that option where we can check down a lot more.

It's funny because Sanchez is captain checkdown, and we are the opposite. Maybe we can do that more in the red zone rather than get sacked due to waiting for someone to get open OR running the damn draw play.

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 11:39 AM
I felt like we did a much better job checking down in the playoffs than the regular season. I don't know if the stats reflect it but I seem to remember more Hynoski, Pascoe, Bradshaw, Jacobs, Ware passes during the stretch run.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 11:40 AM
The offense isn't built to score via the pass in the red zone. I've been saying this forever. You just have to accept it. We aren't going to change the plays to be like the Siants. To be more efficient in the red zone, we need to improve our offensive line.

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 11:43 AM
And maybe try to use our 6'6 WR to out jump a smaller CB.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 12:24 PM
4 year deal, 5th year option for TT.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 12:25 PM
I felt like we did a much better job checking down in the playoffs than the regular season. I don't know if the stats reflect it but I seem to remember more Hynoski, Pascoe, Bradshaw, Jacobs, Ware passes during the stretch run.

Yeah I remember those, but those were quicker. I am talking when your going back, no pass rush, and he is sitting there bouncing for like 5 seconds, and no one is open. The usual routes or come backs or side line routes then. I kinda wish, we had a shorter route there. Maybe have all the WRs then run 9 routes and go upfield once they run their routes.

Do something I guess is my point, preferably a shorter route.


JUG,

Yeah one big time knock on Gilbride is that our situational play calling 3rd down and red zone is poor. 9-0 on the pats, and we have a shot to bury them, and we call bush league plays. I HATE that draw.

Such a big difference between the Payton, Brees we are passing and putting our foot on your throat vs our bush league stuff we run. I just want us to put away opponents! Is it illegal to actually run up the score if need be? I am not saying 62 points, but damn, we had a shot to go 16-0 on the Pats and settled for FGs.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 12:28 PM
JUG,

Yeah one big time knock on Gilbride is that our situational play calling 3rd down and red zone is poor. 9-0 on the pats, and we have a shot to bury them, and we call bush league plays. I HATE that draw.

Such a big difference between the Payton, Brees we are passing and putting our foot on your throat vs our bush league stuff we run. I just want us to put away opponents! Is it illegal to actually run up the score if need be? I am not saying 62 points, but damn, we had a shot to go 16-0 on the Pats and settled for FGs.

We weren't in the red zone to go up 16-0 on the Pats. At least I don't think we were. We didn't go up 16-0 because of the BS hold on Boothe that ruined that one drive.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 12:29 PM
We weren't in the red zone to go up 16-0 on the Pats. At least I don't think we were. We didn't go up 16-0 because of the BS hold on Boothe that ruined that one drive.

No, not that drive. That was going right to left. I think this was going left to right on your tv.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 12:31 PM
No, not that drive. That was going right to left. I think this was going left to right on your tv.

No such drive exists.

scottyboy
03-13-2012, 12:31 PM
And maybe try to use our 6'6 WR to out jump a smaller CB.

NO!
you're going to take a shotgun draw to Ware and you are going to like it

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 12:32 PM
$23-$24 mil for Thomas. $11-12 guaranteed. Way more than I thought it would me. They must really feel fine with this ability to recover.

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 12:33 PM
NO!
you're going to take a shotgun draw to Ware and you are going to like it

I actually love those draws that Eli calls into. They end up working most of the time. It's the other run plays that are lacking.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 12:34 PM
$23-$24 mil for Thomas. $11-12 guaranteed. Way more than I thought it would me. They must really feel fine with this ability to recover.

There may be some sort of team friendly opt out after year 1 to guard against him not coming back from the ACL fully.

LTgiants
03-13-2012, 12:34 PM
$23-$24 mil for Thomas. $11-12 guaranteed. Way more than I thought it would me. They must really feel fine with this ability to recover.

Holy crap that is alot more then I thought. Figured he would get the Kiwi show me type deal.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 12:35 PM
No such drive exists.

I'll have to check when I am done studying. It resulted in a FG. I know one was the ROb N. sack with Bradshaw wide open in tow. That was going from left to right. I thought there were more. I thought there was another drive where we stalled out. I don't remember the score or cirumstance.

However, my point is the killer instinct to put teams away. We were ahead of Dallas 21-0 and then on top of the Jets but someone teams get closer on us. I remember and this is in general after we get ahead we tend to put things on cruise control, rather than stick to what got us the lead.

scottyboy
03-13-2012, 12:36 PM
Zak's right, with that kind of deal, we must feel he's really healthy and recovering well. WHICH, is awesome, meaning we've got 3 damn good CB's

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 12:37 PM
I'll have to check when I am done studying. It resulted in a FG. I know one was the ROb N. sack with Bradshaw wide open in tow. That was going from left to right. I thought there were more. I thought there was another drive where we stalled out. I don't remember the score or cirumstance.

However, my point is the killer instinct to put teams away. We were ahead of Dallas 21-0 and then on top of the Jets but someone teams get closer on us. I remember and this is in general after we get ahead we tend to put things on cruise control, rather than stick to what got us the lead.

We didn't score another point after going up 9-0 until was 17-9 Patriots.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 12:37 PM
I actually love those draws that Eli calls into. They end up working most of the time. It's the other run plays that are lacking.

They used to be money when we had a god like offensive line. That's where Snee would down block the 1 T and O'hara used to fold and block the Mike. I did countless game break downs where we ran that. But different OL, and the play is not as effective as it was before.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 12:38 PM
We didn't score another point after going up 9-0 until was 17-9 Patriots.

That sounds right.. 9-0... 17-9.. 17-12...17-15...21-17

That's it how it went, right? I think I was drunker than I thought.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 12:38 PM
That sounds right.. 9-0... 17-9.. 17-12...17-15...21-17

That's it how it went, right? I think I was drunker than I thought.

It might have been for when we settled for one of the second half FGs but we were behind by then.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 12:54 PM
That might have been it. But this was a happened a lot throughout the season. I will have to document this this year. When I did do game breakdowns I took good notes so I had all that stuff.

bigbluedefense
03-13-2012, 02:09 PM
You are really the most impatient person here BBD. Yankees fan like.

I just don't see it with Baas. Even during his "better" games, I saw him get abused in the run game. He's just not that great.

LOL. That's why I blame BBD for the problems in the world, for example global warming.

On another note, that's why we delegate him to the defensive side of the ball!

BBD! Let's see what the center can do with a full off season and such. Maybe the whole OL can get their act together. Let's see how he does this season with a full off season.

It's one thing to miss your assignments, which he does all the time. But on top of that, he's regularly losing his 1 on 1 matchups, and that's unacceptable. That's not a chemistry problem. That's a sucking ass problem.

The offense isn't built to score via the pass in the red zone. I've been saying this forever. You just have to accept it. We aren't going to change the plays to be like the Siants. To be more efficient in the red zone, we need to improve our offensive line.

Most offenses aren't. It's simple, if you can't run the ball, you're going to have a poor redzone offense. You have to be able to run in the redzone to score touchdowns.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 02:15 PM
It's one thing to miss your assignments, which he does all the time. But on top of that, he's regularly losing his 1 on 1 matchups, and that's unacceptable. That's not a chemistry problem. That's a sucking ass problem.

Well you had NO off season, hurt, and because of that it messes everything up. You can't practice your assignments on certain pass pro calls, AND thus your chemistry can't be developed. Towards the end he played a lot better AND no must take that next step with a FULL off season. So grade him off of that. That's more of an accurate read BBD with little patience.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 02:17 PM
Most offenses aren't. It's simple, if you can't run the ball, you're going to have a poor redzone offense. You have to be able to run in the redzone to score touchdowns.

You could do other things, but we just don't. The Saints run all kind of picks in the red zone so Brees can get the ball out in 2 seconds to a wide open man.

BaLLiN
03-13-2012, 02:54 PM
You could do other things, but we just don't. The Saints run all kind of picks in the red zone so Brees can get the ball out in 2 seconds to a wide open man.

Lance Moore. Victor Cruz is good (i don't think he's as good at getting free in such a small area), but with Colston and Graham being legit red zone threats you cannot dictate the coverage to him.

Kevin Boss and Steve Smith would be very good adds imo. Smith was actually pretty fast, we just didnt use him that way often (he ran a 4.4). If we add both of these guys, who know the system already. Mario just didn't win 1 on 1's as often as he should've and hardly ever caught the ball at its highest point.

If we add both of them for minimal contracts, we fill two positions of need with players who can contribute immediately. Its not like drafting a rookie. So we can focus on other positions such as RB, LB, and OL.

scottyboy
03-13-2012, 03:21 PM
I'd like to see, if Nicks is matched up one on one on the outside, throw him a damn screen. He's big and strong enough to fight off a defender from 5 yards out. I think that needs to be utilized more. all over the field too, not just in the red zone

scottyboy
03-13-2012, 03:52 PM
via garafolo's twitter we brought back tryon and coe. along with a scrub TE and OL i never heard of.

Looks like our corners are set with Webster-Prince-TT-Bruce-Tryon-Coe

OSUGiants17
03-13-2012, 04:03 PM
Looks like our corners are set with Webster-Prince-TT-Bruce-Tryon-Coe

I am more than fine with that group, I really like Bruce and Tryon.

DI
03-13-2012, 04:07 PM
Supposedly Martellus Bennett coming in for a visit and they hope to get a contract done. Not a fan of this.

OSUGiants17
03-13-2012, 04:12 PM
Supposedly Martellus Bennett coming in for a visit and they hope to get a contract done. Not a fan of this.

:grrrrrr: :grrrrrr: :grrrrrr: :grrrrrr: WHYYYYYYYYYY GOD WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

scottyboy
03-13-2012, 04:15 PM
i don't see how it could really hurt though. I'm iffy on this one

BaLLiN
03-13-2012, 04:18 PM
via garafolo's twitter we brought back tryon and coe. along with a scrub TE and OL i never heard of.

Looks like our corners are set with Webster-Prince-TT-Bruce-Tryon-Coe

Thats a good group, so Im pretty sure this means no CB in the draft.

Supposedly Martellus Bennett coming in for a visit and they hope to get a contract done. Not a fan of this.

why....

bigbluedefense
03-13-2012, 04:30 PM
Martellus Bennet?!

I get what they see in him, they see a punishing blocker and a guy with potential to be a great pass catcher, but this is a horrible signing if they make it.

He's a clown, he has no work ethic, he's an idiot, locker room cancer, can't catch, constantly messes up his assignment, has no passion for the game, can't take in coaching, he's just a bad football player.

He's not the type of guy you gamble on. He's a cancer. I am not a fan of this and won't sign off on it. Reese is making a mistake.

scottyboy
03-13-2012, 04:31 PM
we'll see. he's talented but has a ten cent head. maybe being on a real team will set him straight. i dont see how badly it can hurt

BaLLiN
03-13-2012, 04:32 PM
I like how we're trying to get on our needs before the draft, but DO NOT WANT.

bigbluedefense
03-13-2012, 04:34 PM
When you see the contract, you'll see how badly it can hurt. Anything more than the league minimum is a horrible signing for this guy. I just don't want this kind of trash on our team.

Why not get Moss if we are ok with this? Moss would have given us 200x the production this guy would.

LTgiants
03-13-2012, 04:40 PM
In Reese I Trust. If Reese wants Bennett I will support it.

bigbluedefense
03-13-2012, 04:43 PM
LT, he's the Carmelo Anthony of TEs!

Don't fall for the trap! </3

Damix
03-13-2012, 04:44 PM
Completely fine with Bennett as long it is a reasonable deal.

bigbluedefense
03-13-2012, 04:44 PM
Actually, Melo is giving him too much credit. He's the JR Smith of TEs.

LTgiants
03-13-2012, 04:44 PM
LT, he's the Carmelo Anthony of TEs!

Don't fall for the trap! </3

Hey I trust Jerry Reese more then I trust James Dolan Glen Grunwald and ISIAH.

Reese has build a championship roster twice. I trust him.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 04:47 PM
I am glad he is coming in. I wouldn't mind signing MB if he worth the price. I think he can get better with Coach Pope. We have leaders on our team it isn't like the Dallas team.

bigbluedefense
03-13-2012, 04:49 PM
Have you guys ever watched Hard Knocks? Go watch Marty B on Hard Knocks. That series will show you everything you need to know about Bennett. He's a giant turd.

I'll be shocked if he works out.

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 04:50 PM
Love that we got both those CB's signed back. I'm digging our depth there and Johnson and Tryon are going to be perfect for the dime.

I'm going with a big no on Martellus. This can't catch for ****. I know he's turned it a great blocker but I feel like once this guy gets paid we are going to see bonehead move. Of course I trust Reese but he's not going to be right EVERY time. Please let Bennet think he's more than he's worth.

CDCB14
03-13-2012, 04:52 PM
I am glad he is coming in. I wouldn't mind signing MB if he worth the price. I think he can get better with Coach Pope. We have leaders on our team it isn't like the Dallas team.

This is pro football with grown men. You have no leaders the Cowboys don't have. Whether Marty B works out is his own doing.

That said, I will hate it if you guys land him. Classic situation of him leaving, going to a division, rival, and becoming a beast. He has all the physical tools and blocks like a champion. Also, he might be lazy but if there is one thing Marty B does has, it's pride. Going to a division rival just may be the motivation he needs.

This could be a very underrated signing 2 years from now. Damnit.

BaLLiN
03-13-2012, 04:52 PM
Also, I don't want Blackmon back, I don't know if he's a FA or whatever, just cut him if he's signed. He's terrible, he is worse than a guy just fair catching it every time.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 04:52 PM
Have you guys ever watched Hard Knocks? Go watch Marty B on Hard Knocks. That series will show you everything you need to know about Bennett. He's a giant turd.

I'll be shocked if he works out.

I trust our coaching staff and personnel we have, in terms of coaching, and Eli to help the immaturity. I think Pope can help this guy. I'd take Pope over Garrett as the TE coach. I am willing to take this risk.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 04:55 PM
This is pro football with grown men. You have no leaders the Cowboys don't have. Whether Marty B works out is his own doing.

That said, I will hate it if you guys land him. Classic situation of him leaving, going to a division, rival, and becoming a beast. He has all the physical tools and blocks like a champion. Also, he might be lazy but if there is one thing Marty B does has, it's pride. Going to a division rival just may be the motivation he needs.

This could be a very underrated signing 2 years from now. Damnit.

Our leaders get the team to raise their game when it's critical. You team does not. One of your players, hatcher, I think it was ripped your team about not having leadership didn't he?

I do trust Pope and I am willing to roll the dice on MB. Let's see how things pan out.

scottyboy
03-13-2012, 05:03 PM
no offense CDCB, but I'm going to take Coughlin to motivate Marty B and get his head out of hiss ass 100/100 times over Wade and Garret

LTgiants
03-13-2012, 05:04 PM
Some info on Thomas' contract

Per a league source, however, it’s a one-year contract worth $2 million, with the remaining $26 million hinging on whether he plays well enough in 2012 to justify the team picking up the option.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2012, 06:20 PM
1 I <3 NY, the city. Favorite place in the world

Tweet from wife of MB

Rosebud
03-13-2012, 06:29 PM
I had a feeling Bennett was going to be the type of guy we want after...well hopefully it's cheap and it really motivates him to learn from Pope.

PS JR, call Winston, now and make it happen. Trade Osi and make everyone re-structure again to make it work, but just make it work. Diehl/Beatty-Petrus-Baas-Snee-Winston would be absolutely amazing and our redzone offense wouldn't suck again!

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 06:32 PM
Looks like this Bennett signing is definitely going down. Let's just hope Coughlin/Gilbride/Pope/Eli can get into his head and he unleashes his potential here.

Big_Pete
03-13-2012, 06:57 PM
I don't mind us signing Bennett, I think our environment could be what he needs. At the very least he will be a cheap no 2 TE with some potential.

I would still like to see us bring back Boss as well.

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 07:07 PM
At worst he's going to help our run game. From everything you read and see he's really developed into an above average run blocker. Anything else after that would be gravy.

LTgiants
03-13-2012, 08:55 PM
@TheBlueScreen
Looks like OL David Diehl restructured his contract, lowering his base salary from $4.2M to $1.2M. That clears another $1.5M in cap space.

scottyboy
03-13-2012, 09:13 PM
restructures all over the place.

which could kick us in the ass later

Giantsfan1080
03-13-2012, 09:14 PM
The cap better go wayyyyyyy up in 2014. Next year might be scary.

BaLLiN
03-13-2012, 10:48 PM
Anyone know what our cap is right now?

Big_Pete
03-14-2012, 03:06 AM
restructures all over the place.

which could kick us in the ass later

unlikely as the cap is likely to go up big time.

The owners have already been working on the next tv deal which is arounf $8bn compared to the $1bn of the current deal.

The playes get 55% of the tv money under the new deal, so there will be a sizeable increase in the cap in 2014.

Big_Pete
03-14-2012, 03:28 AM
Anyone know what our cap is right now?

from insidefootball.com
http://insidefootball.com/blog/archives/4022

apparently we were $3.156M under the cap.

Factor in Baas and Diehl restructuring and we have some room to play with so probably somewhere a little over $6.5m cap room pending the Thomas and RFA tenders.

I would like to see us rework the following contracts with restructure/extensions (listed is their 2012 cap number and end year)

Antrel Rolle - $9,100,000, end year 2014
Justin Tuck - $8,000,000, end year 2013
Chris Canty - $7,666,667, end year 2014
Chris Snee - $7,783,333 end year 2014
Corey Webster $6,750,000, end year 2013
Michael Boley $5,650,000, end year 2013
Matthias Kiwanuka $5,550,000, end year 2012

If we move 1/4 of their 2012 cap numbers to 2014 (or later) though reworking current deals or signing extensions with key players with that would create another $12,625,000 in cap room,

we also have Osi's $4,617,857 2012 cap number we can work with, or we can rework Osi's deal if we choose.

We won't be huge players in free agency, but we can be reasonably active with a few well priced moves.

Big_Pete
03-14-2012, 03:35 AM
details on CB Terrell Thomas's deal

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/03/giants_cornerback_terrell_thom_1.html

BaLLiN
03-14-2012, 11:13 AM
So who are we making this extra room for? Thomas's contract for this season is a max of 3.75 million, so taking the cap number you're saying (6.5) and the possible restructures minus 3.75 million (thomas), but excluding Osi's contract because we should trade him we'll have around 17,242,857? really?

BigBlueNorwegian
03-14-2012, 11:33 AM
So who are we making this extra room for? Thomas's contract for this season is a max of 3.75 million, so taking the cap number you're saying (6.5) and the possible restructures minus 3.75 million (thomas), but excluding Osi's contract because we should trade him we'll have around 17,242,857? really?

We're obviously making room so we can sign Peyton as our back-up :coolface:

Jughead10
03-14-2012, 11:41 AM
So who are we making this extra room for? Thomas's contract for this season is a max of 3.75 million, so taking the cap number you're saying (6.5) and the possible restructures minus 3.75 million (thomas), but excluding Osi's contract because we should trade him we'll have around 17,242,857? really?

Your numbers are so messed up I believe. We may have 8 million. Maybe, I dont even think that. That might be enough for Bennett, our rookies, and another low to mid range FA.

LTgiants
03-14-2012, 02:48 PM
Mr. Cap N Crunch Martellus Bennett Signed for 1 year 2.5 million

5lP8fHN53t0

Damix
03-14-2012, 03:31 PM
2.5 million for MB after Carlson got 25 million?

I'll take it.

Jughead10
03-14-2012, 03:32 PM
I can't believe we haven't signed Weatherford long term to free up maybe another million. Seems like it would be easy, considering the day after we won the Super Bowl rumors were they basically had something worked out.

Big_Pete
03-14-2012, 03:41 PM
2.5 million for MB after Carlson got 25 million?

I'll take it.

I think it is quite reasonable, he is already a very good blocker and has plenty of potential as a reciever. I wouldn't be surprised if Coughlin, Gilbride, Pope and Eli get the best out of Bennett this year.

The fact he is willing to sign here knowing the culture and environment we have here is a good sign Bennett is willing to work hard.

scottyboy
03-14-2012, 03:42 PM
and apparently Carr is back. Nice day we're having

NY+Giants=NYG
03-14-2012, 03:48 PM
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431030_10150748406723455_829358785_n.jpg

Jughead10
03-14-2012, 03:49 PM
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431030_10150748406723455_829358785_n.jpg

Were we interested in him at the draft? I can't remember. Pope normally works out all the TEs at the combine so there may have been a relationship from 4 years ago.

OSUGiants17
03-14-2012, 04:06 PM
Next up, re-sign Chase(as a STer at the very least), sign Tolbert(yea, I want him! He is only 26, a good receiver out of the backfield and wants to play here), sign Weatherford long term, and give Osi his money or trade him

NY+Giants=NYG
03-14-2012, 04:32 PM
Good signing! I like what we can possibly do with this guy. Apparently so does Reese!

Paul Schwartz
Also In New York Giants

Giants general manager Jerry Reese on newly-signed Martellus Bennett: "We had a very good, open, forthright visit with Martellus and we hare excited to have him join the Giants family. He's ready to go to work and wants to prove he can be one of the top tight ends in the NFL. We think the sky is the limit for him here.'' #nyg


Ralph Vacchiano
Also In Football

Tom Coughlin on Martellus Bennett: "“In our situation it’s a perfect match, because here we are with two guys that aren’t going to be able to go. We get a guy with this quality and we can say to him, ‘You go out on the field, you go from less than 30 percent play time to 70-75-80 percent play time just by virtue of if you come here and if you are willing to pay the price to be what you want to be. Here’s the opportunity.’” #NYG

Paul Schwartz
Also In New York Giants

More Coughlin on Bennett: "What you have is a talented athlete who played behind an all-pro. Who is not very satisfied, is not very fulfilled, is anxious to prove the quality of athlete and football player that he can be. He feels like he hasn't scratched the surface of what he can do. He's a young, aspiring, athletic tight end who can run.'' #nyg

Giantsfan1080
03-14-2012, 05:10 PM
Wow I can't believe we signed him so cheap. I guess this is like a trial run and if he passes maybe he try to work something out long term. I actually am starting to really like this signing, there is nothing to lose.

I'm glad Carr is back also. Seems like Eli and him have a good relationship.

Jughead I still we get something done with Weatherford. We're going to be interested in the 2nd and 3rd tier guys anyway so there's no rush.

bigbluedefense
03-14-2012, 05:37 PM
Yeah it's a good signing for the money. I still don't like him, and I don't trust him in a big spot in the 4th quarter to run the right route/catch the ball/pick up his assignment in the run game or pass pro, but for the money it's worth the gamble I guess.

And this means we don't go TE in round 1, which is great news bc that would be a major reach.

And bc it's just 1 year, it allows us to draft a legit TE next year if we can't extend him if he does in fact pan out.

I still would have prefered Shincao but whatever.

Giantsfan1080
03-14-2012, 05:58 PM
We are still going to sign another TE so you never know.

LonghornsLegend
03-14-2012, 06:06 PM
Bennett is is just going to be insanely frustrating for you guys, I can tell you right now. Witten didn't really have anything to do with it. He just has so many mental lapses and is so immature, that is the reason why he hasn't developed properly. There is no denying that he can truly breakout, he's got that freakish TE ability that not many share at the position, excellent blocker(you'll love that about him immediately), and he's got the type of athleticism to where he's an instant mis-match when he runs routes.


He's just the type who'll get the false start in the game when it was the worst time to have it, catch his first 3 passes with guys draped all over him then drop a wide open TE screen that left 30 yards on the field to kill a drive, and all-around just goofs off.


That said, while he's still young, he was drafted at a really young age and while we would like them to all have it, not everyone "gets it" right away. I mean he had 4 TD's as a rookie, which I think were all in a row, so there is no denying you've upgraded the position, but he's going to need Eli or 1 of the vets to stay on him. He's the only thing stopping him from being so much better then he's showed.


For the price though, worth the risk no doubt. Seeing as how he can play us twice I wouldn't doubt that he doesn't pull it together. He's just going to very quickly, more then likely be most of your most frustrating player on the team now because you'll see all the flashes of the talent and potential he has in training camp but he'll likely lack that consistency to make anything out of it.


I'm still a fan so I hope he gets his priorities together.

Rosebud
03-14-2012, 06:26 PM
Yeah it's a good signing for the money. I still don't like him, and I don't trust him in a big spot in the 4th quarter to run the right route/catch the ball/pick up his assignment in the run game or pass pro, but for the money it's worth the gamble I guess.

And this means we don't go TE in round 1, which is great news bc that would be a major reach.

And bc it's just 1 year, it allows us to draft a legit TE next year if we can't extend him if he does in fact pan out.

I still would have prefered Shincao but whatever.

That's why I don't mind it, if he puts in the work and breaks out, he may well earn that trust, and if he doesn't at least we should be getting Ballard back before the playoffs.

Rosebud
03-14-2012, 06:31 PM
Bennett is is just going to be insanely frustrating for you guys, I can tell you right now. Witten didn't really have anything to do with it. He just has so many mental lapses and is so immature, that is the reason why he hasn't developed properly. There is no denying that he can truly breakout, he's got that freakish TE ability that not many share at the position, excellent blocker(you'll love that about him immediately), and he's got the type of athleticism to where he's an instant mis-match when he runs routes.


He's just the type who'll get the false start in the game when it was the worst time to have it, catch his first 3 passes with guys draped all over him then drop a wide open TE screen that left 30 yards on the field to kill a drive, and all-around just goofs off.


That said, while he's still young, he was drafted at a really young age and while we would like them to all have it, not everyone "gets it" right away. I mean he had 4 TD's as a rookie, which I think were all in a row, so there is no denying you've upgraded the position, but he's going to need Eli or 1 of the vets to stay on him. He's the only thing stopping him from being so much better then he's showed.


For the price though, worth the risk no doubt. Seeing as how he can play us twice I wouldn't doubt that he doesn't pull it together. He's just going to very quickly, more then likely be most of your most frustrating player on the team now because you'll see all the flashes of the talent and potential he has in training camp but he'll likely lack that consistency to make anything out of it.


I'm still a fan so I hope he gets his priorities together.

If the giants sign Boss or Shiancoe to compete with him while Ballard and Beckum are out I think the giants have a pretty shot of squeezing that attitude out of him. He'll know that if he doesn't keep his focus, he's not coming back and down the stretch will be faded out of the offense. He'll be competing for passes with insanely hard working Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz and will have Pope and Eli riding his ass. I don't expect him to work out at all, but if it does I wouldn't be surprised if it came with an attitude change that would negate those issues to a significant degree.

bigbluedefense
03-14-2012, 08:07 PM
Bennett is is just going to be insanely frustrating for you guys, I can tell you right now. Witten didn't really have anything to do with it. He just has so many mental lapses and is so immature, that is the reason why he hasn't developed properly. There is no denying that he can truly breakout, he's got that freakish TE ability that not many share at the position, excellent blocker(you'll love that about him immediately), and he's got the type of athleticism to where he's an instant mis-match when he runs routes.


He's just the type who'll get the false start in the game when it was the worst time to have it, catch his first 3 passes with guys draped all over him then drop a wide open TE screen that left 30 yards on the field to kill a drive, and all-around just goofs off.


That said, while he's still young, he was drafted at a really young age and while we would like them to all have it, not everyone "gets it" right away. I mean he had 4 TD's as a rookie, which I think were all in a row, so there is no denying you've upgraded the position, but he's going to need Eli or 1 of the vets to stay on him. He's the only thing stopping him from being so much better then he's showed.


For the price though, worth the risk no doubt. Seeing as how he can play us twice I wouldn't doubt that he doesn't pull it together. He's just going to very quickly, more then likely be most of your most frustrating player on the team now because you'll see all the flashes of the talent and potential he has in training camp but he'll likely lack that consistency to make anything out of it.


I'm still a fan so I hope he gets his priorities together.

I'm not a fan of the signing, I don't like his attitude and hope he doesn't leave an impression in the locker room. But for 1 year, I guess it's ok if it means we don't draft a TE in the first round. I'd just leave him in to block every play. He can't screw up if he just does that...right? :/

CDCB14
03-14-2012, 08:16 PM
I'm not a fan of the signing, I don't like his attitude and hope he doesn't leave an impression in the locker room. But for 1 year, I guess it's ok if it means we don't draft a TE in the first round. I'd just leave him in to block every play. He can't screw up if he just does that...right? :/

With the Cowboys cursed luck and the Giants knack to pull **** out of their ass, Martellus Bennett is going to turn into Jimmy Graham. Just watch. Especially when they play the Cowboys. He'll probably go for 150 yards and 3 td's, including the game winner as time expires.

You heard it here first.

bigbluedefense
03-14-2012, 08:18 PM
With the Cowboys cursed luck and the Giants knack to pull **** out of their ass, Martellus Bennett is going to turn into Jimmy Graham. Just watch. Especially when they play the Cowboys. He'll probably go for 150 yards and 3 td's, including the game winner as time expires.

You heard it here first.

I don't trust him in our option route offense. He couldn't run the right routes in a Zampese system, what makes us think he's going to read a defense and run the right route in a choice route?

It makes me nervous. Hopefully he just holds the fort for Ballard until he can come off the PUP.

CDCB14
03-14-2012, 08:30 PM
I don't trust him in our option route offense. He couldn't run the right routes in a Zampese system, what makes us think he's going to read a defense and run the right route in a choice route?

It makes me nervous. Hopefully he just holds the fort for Ballard until he can come off the PUP.

Ballard blew out his knee in February. Don't hold your breath.

As for Bennett, I just think it's one of those classic cases where a dude with great talent gets a fresh start and flourishes. He's 6'7'' 275 runs a 4.6, has good hands, can jump, and we all know about his blocking. Eli will find a way to get the best out of him, and of course his best games will be against the Cowboys.

It's just the way it works my friend. He's gonna go Jimmy Smith on the Cowboys.

bigbluedefense
03-14-2012, 08:39 PM
Ballard blew out his knee in February. Don't hold your breath.

As for Bennett, I just think it's one of those classic cases where a dude with great talent gets a fresh start and flourishes. He's 6'7'' 275 runs a 4.6, has good hands, can jump, and we all know about his blocking. Eli will find a way to get the best out of him, and of course his best games will be against the Cowboys.

It's just the way it works my friend. He's gonna go Jimmy Smith on the Cowboys.

If that does in fact happen, where he thrives in NY, then you have to seriously question your coaching staff's ability to develop players. Bc this would be the 2nd time we took an underachiever in Dallas and made him into a player (Canty being the first).

CDCB14
03-14-2012, 08:47 PM
If that does in fact happen, where he thrives in NY, then you have to seriously question your coaching staff's ability to develop players. Bc this would be the 2nd time we took an underachiever in Dallas and made him into a player (Canty being the first).

Ehhh that can be argued. There are two distinct variables in each case.

For Canty, he actually was a pretty solid player in Dallas, you guys just paid him way more than we could afford and he is probably better playing in a 4-3 with you guys. He is also playing alongside better players with you guys. All we had on thew front when we was here was Ware. Ratliff wasn't Ratliff yet, and we had all JAG's besides that.

For Bennett, I don't care what anybody says, he was playing behind a future hall of famer who is still in his prime. Our offense is not a two tight end offense. We aren't the Patriots. We come out in a two tight end set sometimes, but it isn't often and we usually run the ball, and if we throw it Bennett is definitely the 3rd or 4th read.

Plus, I think our coaching staff right now is probably the best it has been in a while. Canty wasn't under this regime and Bennett has only been for the last year and a half of his career.

It's a two sided coin. Marty B has all the tools, and he probably knows this is his last chance to prove himself and get a big deal. He might be able to stick around the league for a while because he is only 25, but this is his shot. He is going to get good playing time with Eli Manning throwing him the ball, and a good receiving corps to take coverage off him.

The Cowboys curse will be in full force. He'll be jumping over safeties for TD's like it's nobody's business. Just wait.

BaLLiN
03-14-2012, 11:36 PM
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/03/nfl_free_agency_giants_martell.html

good article
It was kind of like love at first sight. Once we started talking I almost asked him(Pope) to marry me,” said Bennett, who sat next to Pope as he signed his contract. “He’s lived 70 years of life. Anyone who’s been around that long, there’s a lot of knowledge there. There’s a lot of wisdom.”

bigbluedefense
03-15-2012, 07:15 AM
I'm skeptical. He has to prove it to me. At least I know our run game will improve with him sealing the edge. TE seals are so critical to our running concepts.

scottyboy
03-15-2012, 09:21 AM
lolz shockey wants to come back and we're all like "ehhhhh"

LTgiants
03-15-2012, 10:34 AM
Seems we are interested in another former Cowboy

One day after former Dallas TE Martellus Bennett signed with New York, Cowboys WR Kevin Ogleetree is visiting the Giants today.

bigbluedefense
03-15-2012, 12:33 PM
I think we pretty much got all the FAs we need already. Just lock up our own guys and leave it at that. Unless theres a chance to land Eric Winston, we should stay away from everyone else.

Giantsfan1080
03-15-2012, 01:00 PM
We'll be bringing in more of the B and C types as FA moves along. We're not only going to bring Bennett in.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-15-2012, 01:57 PM
You may be right. However, I will take Coughlin over Tubby and JG to motivate him. I will also take ANY day Coach Pope over Garrett at that TE position too. So I am comfortable with this gamble. If it fails, then no harm, it's a 1 year deal. But i like our TE coach who can make chicken salad out of chicken s...

NY+Giants=NYG
03-15-2012, 01:58 PM
Also, Shockey and Toomer going at it on twitter.

LTgiants
03-15-2012, 03:15 PM
The Giants may have signed BBD's old buddy Chris Horton

bigbluedefense
03-15-2012, 03:24 PM
Great signing! I loved Horton. I think this was a great underrated addition. He's a great in the box safety. At least he used to be. Let's see what he has left in the tank.

LTgiants
03-15-2012, 03:36 PM
Great signing! I loved Horton. I think this was a great underrated addition. He's a great in the box safety. At least he used to be. Let's see what he has left in the tank.

Here is some recent footage of him

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Giantsfan1080
03-15-2012, 06:34 PM
Love this signing as well. Gives Sash another year on specials on learn and now Horton most likely can play in the Grant role. I love Reese.

Damix
03-15-2012, 07:16 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make the roster. He was out of football last year.

Giantsfan1080
03-15-2012, 07:38 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make the roster. He was out of football last year.

I wouldn't be either but it's one of those signings that can really work out well for us. He fits a great role in Fewell's defense here where on other teams he wouldn't be able to play to his strengths like this.

Bostonblows91
03-15-2012, 10:11 PM
Is anyone else really frustrated that they haven't brought back devin thomas or chase blackburn yet? Neither of them will probably earn more than the minimum...it bothers me

Giantsfan1080
03-16-2012, 07:10 AM
Is anyone else really frustrated that they haven't brought back devin thomas or chase blackburn yet? Neither of them will probably earn more than the minimum...it bothers me

I like them both but I'm not frustrated by it. Chase was a FA until that GB game for a reason.

bigbluedefense
03-16-2012, 11:24 AM
I'm frustrated by it. I love Chase. Great special team player, great backup LB, great lockerroom guy. For the league minimum, I don't see why we wouldn't bring him back. It's a no brainer to me.