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bigbluedefense
09-03-2011, 02:15 PM
The only guy I'm sad to see go was Adrian Tracy. I thought he was decent.

But we have such a logjam of LBs who are pretty much the same, something had to give.

It's sad to see Sintim get hurt again. I think we mismanaged the guy from day 1. I loved the pick when we made it.

But now it seems like his career is over. I guess we'll need an OLB in this upcoming draft too.

As of right now, we actually have a lot of needs going into next year. MIKE, OLB, WR, TE

All 4 positions could use a 1st round caliber player. We can take any of those 4 positions 1st round and I'd be ok with it.

LTgiants
09-03-2011, 02:44 PM
Dam I wanted to see big Gabe make the roster. I am also surprised they cut Tracy.

bigbluedefense
09-03-2011, 05:09 PM
Yeah I thought Gabe would stick. In this system, DTs are meant to be run stuffers, not pass rushers so you figure Gabe's fat ass would excel in it.

I guess we're just going to go into the season with shaky DT depth. We only have 2 DTs who are good, and 1 bench DT who can give us some decent snaps (Bernard).

bigbluedefense
09-03-2011, 05:11 PM
I'm also glad we're keeping Sage over Carr. David Carr sucks. He looked decent in some preseason games in the past, but all you have to do is blitz the hell out of him and he turns into a deer again.

He is what he is at this point. There's no fixing David Carr.

bigbluedefense
09-03-2011, 05:15 PM
Why didn't we give Scott a chance to return kicks/punts btw?

I wonder if we got something with him. He's got size and speed. Seems like a good 1 cut runner, but you don't really know what he is until he gets some first string snaps, bc those holes close a lot quicker with the 1st string.

Giantsfan1080
09-03-2011, 05:51 PM
I'm also glad we're keeping Sage over Carr. David Carr sucks. He looked decent in some preseason games in the past, but all you have to do is blitz the hell out of him and he turns into a deer again.

He is what he is at this point. There's no fixing David Carr.


Umm Carr is the backup. We put Sage on IR. I don't know how or why we're getting away with that but whatever.

Tracy and Trattou should go to the Practice Squad. We didn't talk enough about Trattou but he reminds of a Tollefson type player which has a lot of value in this league.

I think we will try to get Perriloux on the practice squad as well. No shock Brown was cut for Ware as I predicted that yesterday. The only suprise to me was Weatherford over Dodge. They made the right move but I thought they would keep Dodge around.

Giantsfan1080
09-03-2011, 05:52 PM
Why didn't we give Scott a chance to return kicks/punts btw?

I wonder if we got something with him. He's got size and speed. Seems like a good 1 cut runner, but you don't really know what he is until he gets some first string snaps, bc those holes close a lot quicker with the 1st string.

This is what I said yesterday. Maybe he can't catch?

LTgiants
09-03-2011, 05:53 PM
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Giants-announce-53-man-roster/a7f9a7b6-163b-43b8-897a-b923887bd9cf

Here is the 53 man roster

Has Derrick Martin really performed that well that he was worth keeping?

Giantsfan1080
09-03-2011, 05:55 PM
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Giants-announce-53-man-roster/a7f9a7b6-163b-43b8-897a-b923887bd9cf

Here is the 53 man roster

Has Derrick Martin really performed that well that he was worth keeping?

Who would you have kept over him? We need secondary depth and the coaching staff obviously likes something. I'm very happy with the final 53.

LTgiants
09-03-2011, 06:01 PM
Who would you have kept over him? We need secondary depth and the coaching staff obviously likes something. I'm very happy with the final 53.

I would have left the spot open and look to get a TE. However with the guys we cut I would probably would have kept Jamon Meredith since I would like a little more line depth then we have.

Giantsfan1080
09-03-2011, 06:06 PM
I would have left the spot open and look to get a TE. However with the guys we cut I would probably would have kept Jamon Meredith since I would like a little more line depth then we have.

Well they could still cut Martin and pick up someone else. I was a little suprised about Meredith as well but I'd rather have depth in the secondary right now.

LTgiants
09-03-2011, 06:19 PM
I would rather have the line depth since with how Eli and the Wr's are performing running the ball is going to be even more important. Grant and Sash can do a good enough job when Rolle goes into the nickel spot.

Giantsfan1080
09-03-2011, 06:20 PM
I would rather have the line depth since with how Eli and the Wr's are performing running the ball is going to be even more important. Grant and Sash can do a good enough job when Rolle goes into the nickel spot.

If we get to our 10th OL we're in trouble anyway.

LTgiants
09-03-2011, 06:24 PM
If we get to our 10th OL we're in trouble anyway.

Ya that is true however your more in trouble when your line breaks down. We have better depth in the secondary then we do at the line.

Giantsfan1080
09-03-2011, 06:25 PM
Ya that is true however your more in trouble when your line breaks down. We have better depth in the secondary then we do at the line.

Yeah but we kept Martin because he's also good on ST while Meredith can't play there.

LTgiants
09-03-2011, 06:28 PM
Yeah but we kept Martin because he's also good on ST while Meredith can't play there.

Is he good on ST? cause I really didn't watch that last preseason game and idr if he played at all during the first 3.


I guess you are right we need all st coverage help we can get.

Giantsfan1080
09-03-2011, 06:32 PM
Is he good on ST? cause I really didn't watch that last preseason game and idr if he played at all during the first 3.


I guess you are right we need all st coverage help we can get.

Yeah that is definitely the reason he's sticking around right now.

BaLLiN
09-03-2011, 06:36 PM
DT Ibrahim Abdulai, RB Andre Brown, CB Darnell Burks, DB Joe Burnett, G Brant Clouser, C Jim Cordle, LB Phillip Dillard, P Matt Dodge, DE Alex Hall, DE Dwayne Hendricks, TE Christian Hopkins, OT Jarriel King, DE Craig Marshall, OT Jamon Meredith, DE Ayanaga Okpokowuruk, QB Ryan Perrilloux, WR Darius Reynaud, RB Charles Scott, DB David Sims, DB Jerrard Tarrant, LB Adrian Tracy, DE Justin Trattou, WR Todd Watkins

I dont see Gabe Watson in there, what are you guys talking about?

Giantsfan1080
09-03-2011, 06:40 PM
Offense (25)
Quarterbacks (2): Eli Manning, David Carr

Running Backs (4): Ahmad Bradshawhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/ahmad-bradshaw/4a7057d6-e4eb-47b9-85ac-5736f9379104/), Brandon Jacobshttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/brandon-jacobs/6e7b3fb4-d4ad-47d7-919d-2b71a6277702/), D.J. Warehttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/dj-ware/a1f9599f-e223-49d1-9f23-796049b48f60/), Da’Rel Scott

Fullbacks (2): Bear Pascoehttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/bear-pascoe/53e3b979-14c9-4456-b6f5-8b411cfa2566/), Henry Hynoskihttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/henry-hynoski/fb037599-ff97-41c5-ada9-d3c12b598dcb/) (Pascoe also plays tight end)

Wide Receivers (6): Hakeem Nickshttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/hakeem-nicks/b9e0c6fd-ed96-4855-b124-4c600a121da1/), Mario Manninghamhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/mario-manningham/ddb57828-bf36-4781-adc9-83b6ab220f73/), Domenik Hixonhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/domenik-hixon/8c724270-50d0-40d1-9fa4-98e091aeca2f/), Devin Thomashttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/devin-thomas/29941f77-04a3-4078-976a-099e21c7738e/), Victor Cruzhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/victor-cruz/79cb61a9-f26c-4b06-93f8-8ba2d84e4695/), Jerrel Jernigan

Tight Ends (2): Travis Beckumhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/travis-beckum/4e6ecc5a-b3e5-44be-a068-4f33691deec7/), Jake Ballardhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/jake-ballard/8b6c7da2-c09a-4921-a9c5-41c75495f281/)

Offensive Linemen (9): David Diehlhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/david-diehl/3f0337cc-d5c5-498f-abd5-c851a190234c/), Chris Sneehttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/chris-snee/7de29d06-41fa-4b85-b158-7c4ebd0ad53d/), Kareem McKenziehttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/kareem-mckenzie/6d8adea7-7402-4f65-8f3f-a0540a2b31f4/), Will Beattyhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/will-beatty/6eb2b68e-a123-45bc-84fb-3b1cd428e602/), David Bass, Stacy Andrewshttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/stacy-andrews/5aff0885-266c-4089-96f0-938d9e8285c0/), Mitch Petrushttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/mitch-petrus/5c2ffe7c-d18b-41bd-a1f8-745e80bb0367/), James Brewerhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/james-brewer/473f250a-8abb-4f5b-8e8f-795794ff4a03/), Kevin Boothehttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/kevin-boothe/dda56de4-8b2a-4d2f-94d6-361124970f0b/)

Defense (25)
Defensive Linemen: (8): Justin Tuckhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/justin-tuck/3d7dd383-bdc1-412a-b934-54867b5f9a2a/), Osi Umenyiorahttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/osi-umenyiora/494e2297-649e-488b-8dee-230198faa704/), Chris Cantyhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/chris-canty/64461fb7-f15d-4e16-abf2-de519455967e/), Linval Josephhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/linval-joseph/3674349f-ab85-4e48-bf8e-e83eb923d007/), Jason Pierre-Paulhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/jason-pierre-paul/460f7583-1556-471f-8fa8-67a05f8ca955/), Rocky Bernardhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/rocky-bernard/3b51a35b-ae5a-4c1d-a7b5-ff283d32034a/), Dave Tollefsonhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/dave-tollefson/b19a7602-83e7-4913-ad2b-3e682408b2a9/), Jimmy Kennedyhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/jimmy-kennedy/e4fc09ad-f5c5-4c5d-b040-3554d1e71e9c/)

Linebackers (7): Mathias Kiwanukahttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/mathias-kiwanuka/99d91467-91c6-42cc-8d54-eb4af3625299/), Jonathan Goffhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/jonathan-goff/ac0e8e58-dea0-4afc-8012-c656aac62860/), Michael Boleyhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/michael-boley/5f483a6f-38d0-4dbe-8b41-eb3ea81caa4f/), Jacquian Williams, Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones, Spencer Paysinger.

Cornerbacks (5): Corey Websterhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/corey-webster/1e74fb59-713a-46c1-9c1b-acfa6d0668e9/), Aaron Rosshttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/aaron-ross/21dd1c94-ac4d-4195-b1e5-ebbfa6b9b5d1/), Michael Coehttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/michael-coe/c11a0a32-8f78-46ef-892c-cfb3ad2b2b08/), Brian Williamshttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/brian-williams/050b0fd7-3235-4bb9-bcbc-10acafe0f7cf/), Prince Amukamarahttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/prince-amukamara/fdbcfb4b-7835-4fc1-995c-52ee36409fea/)

Safeties (5): Antrel Rollehttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/antrel-rolle/89edc2f3-1c62-4800-a941-85327aa8b4d9/), Deon Granthttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/deon-grant/6c74cd05-6293-4a48-a7c3-754c740176ab/), Kenny Phillipshttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/kenny-phillips/1f7554cd-a355-45ee-9680-905a89b23b25/), Tyler Sashhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/tyler-sash/520c5059-b602-4d0f-ad2f-eda78bf9b9c4/), Derrick Martinhttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/derrick-martin/e974a707-d72c-474e-8d6f-d52908c69a59/)

Specialists (3)
Kicker (1): Lawrence Tynes
Punter (1): Steve Weatherford
Long Snapper (1): Zak DeOssiehttp://www.giants.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.giants.com/team/roster/zak-deossie/4e914b60-4416-4e0e-ad55-333e51dc4798/)










Watson isn't on roster.

LTgiants
09-03-2011, 06:44 PM
DT Ibrahim Abdulai, RB Andre Brown, CB Darnell Burks, DB Joe Burnett, G Brant Clouser, C Jim Cordle, LB Phillip Dillard, P Matt Dodge, DE Alex Hall, DE Dwayne Hendricks, TE Christian Hopkins, OT Jarriel King, DE Craig Marshall, OT Jamon Meredith, DE Ayanaga Okpokowuruk, QB Ryan Perrilloux, WR Darius Reynaud, RB Charles Scott, DB David Sims, DB Jerrard Tarrant, LB Adrian Tracy, DE Justin Trattou, WR Todd Watkins

I dont see Gabe Watson in there, what are you guys talking about?

The team terminated the contracts of six veterans: wide receiver Michael Clayton, tight end Daniel Coats, guard Ikechuku Ndukwe, center Chris White, defensive tackle Gabe Watson and kicker Rhys Lloyd

Here you go.

bigbluedefense
09-03-2011, 08:05 PM
Oh well. I guess we're rolling with David Carr. Doesn't matter really, if Eli goes down I rather tank the season and get a higher draft pick anyway.

I'd like to see Tracy make it to the PS. I like him. He's nothing special, but he's serviceable.

Overall, I'm pleased with the final 53. Hanson got cut by the Eagles, I wouldn't mind picking him.

Also, when Barden and Koets come off the PUP, keep in mind that means 2 of these guys are out the door as well. Will be interesting to see which ones are gone then.

Unless 2 more guys hit the IR before then. Let's hope not. We can't afford anymore injuries. We went from a deep team, to a team that's awfully thin at a couple of positions.

Rosebud
09-03-2011, 08:12 PM
Hixon I think is the 3rd best due to just being in the system longer. He knows what he is doing. He filled in and played X when Plax went down. He can play Z and Y too. I think that alone lifts his value. I think Cruz has a lot to do to prove himself. I feel more comfortable with Hixon than anyone else. I wouldn't want him to get hurt and then have Cruz put in there. My guess is that he'd just play Z with Mario coming in. I am not sure how he would do if he played Y.

Even Eric on BBI, said we will see in 10 days. I think it may be JJ the way we are force feeding him. If Hixon gets the nod it may be good from the special teams standpoint, but I would not want to risk him because of his value and versatility he brings.

Just because Hixon knows the different positions doesn't mean he's necessarily better than a guy like Cruz at any given one position is all I'm trying to get at, so if Cruz is doing better than him at one of the spots I wouldn't be surprised to see him out there with Manningham and Nicks over Hixon at which point what exactly are we shielding him from? If injuries strike at WR Hixon's versatility will be a boon, but if we stay this healthy I don't think it's a given he gets the third most attention.

Oh well. I guess we're rolling with David Carr. Doesn't matter really, if Eli goes down I rather tank the season and get a higher draft pick anyway.

I'd like to see Tracy make it to the PS. I like him. He's nothing special, but he's serviceable.

Overall, I'm pleased with the final 53. Hanson got cut by the Eagles, I wouldn't mind picking him.

Also, when Barden and Koets come off the PUP, keep in mind that means 2 of these guys are out the door as well. Will be interesting to see which ones are gone then.

Unless 2 more guys hit the IR before then. Let's hope not. We can't afford anymore injuries. We went from a deep team, to a team that's awfully thin at a couple of positions.

My guess is one of Boothe or Andrews gets cut to make room for Koets, probably Andrews cause he's new, unless someone hits IR.

I'd love to have Hanson come in. He could give us some solid snaps as an inside corner once he got acclimated. Question is how long would that take and is he at that point going to be much better than Coe or Brian Williams' corpse?

bigbluedefense
09-03-2011, 08:12 PM
I think we're pretty deep along the oline though. Which is a pleasant surprise.

Losing Dillard makes that draft pick hurt even more. I remember wanting a LB bad in that draft, but after we passed on LB in the first 3 rounds, I rather us not draft 1 at all. To me, there was no point of getting another middle round body at the position bc it wouldn't solve anything.

Think about the players we passed on. Geno, Aaron Hernandez come to mind immediately. We could have used both of those guys right now.

In fact, Beckum hurts more than anyone, bc we passed on a lot of TEs in that draft class bc we believed in Beckum. And Beckum sucks. Imagine if we had Jimmy Graham, or Aaron Hernandez right now. We'd be set.

We only have 3 picks left on the team from that draft class. JPP, Linval, and Petrus. Luckily for us, I think all 3 are going to be future studs. But losing Chad Jones tragically and whiffing on Dillard hurt a little. We could have had an even better draft if we hit on those 2 rounds. And while typically you say that's asking for too much, the 2010 draft class was the deepest draft class of the past 15 years, it was totally doable. We had 2nd round talent falling to the 4th round in that draft class, it was sick.

I guess I can't complain though. We nailed 3 of those picks.

bigbluedefense
09-03-2011, 08:19 PM
Just because Hixon knows the different positions doesn't mean he's necessarily better than a guy like Cruz at any given one position is all I'm trying to get at, so if Cruz is doing better than him at one of the spots I wouldn't be surprised to see him out there with Manningham and Nicks over Hixon at which point what exactly are we shielding him from? If injuries strike at WR Hixon's versatility will be a boon, but if we stay this healthy I don't think it's a given he gets the third most attention.



My guess is one of Boothe or Andrews gets cut to make room for Koets, probably Andrews cause he's new, unless someone hits IR.

I'd love to have Hanson come in. He could give us some solid snaps as an inside corner once he got acclimated. Question is how long would that take and is he at that point going to be much better than Coe or Brian Williams' corpse?

I thought Andrews actually looked pretty good. I don't see us losing anyone on the oline. I think some other position probably sees a cut.

We probably do a couple of phantom IRs as well. Kind of like Cruz's season ending hamstring injury.

Rosebud
09-03-2011, 08:27 PM
I thought Andrews actually looked pretty good. I don't see us losing anyone on the oline. I think some other position probably sees a cut.

We probably do a couple of phantom IRs as well. Kind of like Cruz's season ending hamstring injury.

That's what I'd assume. Whichever young LB is making the least impact will probably get IR'd if they're banged up at all, likewise I could see one of our FB/TEs finding their way onto IR with a surprising injury.

As for the OL I'm just not sure how many we want to keep around. We've got Beatty, Diehl, McKenzie and Brewer who can play outside. We've got Snee, Diehl, Petrus, Andrews and Boothe who can play Guard and once Koets is back we'll have him and Baas at Center. I just don't think we'll keep 5 guys who can play guard provided our starters aren't injured.

bigbluedefense
09-03-2011, 09:29 PM
I'm predicting Brewer goes on IR with a phantom injury. He's raw as hell anyway and won't do us any good this season wasting a roster spot.

I know IR'ing him means he can't practice, but he'll get 6 more weeks of practice, plus he'll probably work out on his own.

The other IR is probably some LB like you said. My guess is Paysinger.

Giantsfan1080
09-04-2011, 10:02 AM
Bring Will Allen back!!! He's be a perfect 3rd/4th CB for this team. He still plays the run really well and he won't be covering anyone tough considering who's ahead of him on our team. He's a perfect fit. I fully understand this won't happen though.

Jughead10
09-04-2011, 10:17 AM
I'd rather have Hanson. Granted I haven't seen either play in a little bit, since last year, but I have to think Hanson being cut is more a matter of the Eagles just being super deep there, where I'm not sure that is the case with Allen.

Jughead10
09-04-2011, 10:19 AM
You think we IR'ed Sage because he can basically do the same job on the roster or on IR? He's really just a second set of eyes for Eli. Almost like a coach.

Jughead10
09-04-2011, 10:48 AM
I also really like Jimmy Kennedy as a one year player. I thought he played well for the Vikes in a situational role. In all honesty he'll probably be better this year than Austin would have been.

bigbluedefense
09-04-2011, 11:15 AM
I think Kennedy can be a decent backup. He did look good for Minny the few times I saw him last year.

I want Hanson. Allen is old now and he had an ACL, I know he was decent in the past but that was a long time ago.

Any TEs worth a damn hit the waivers? Is Donald Lee any good anymore?

bigbluedefense
09-04-2011, 11:20 AM
Seeing the Bill Belichick commercial on NFL network showing how he is around his team and coaches, and how choked up he got when he visited Giants stadium one last time really makes me want him as our next coach.

I know it will never happen, but I have a feeling that BB's dream is to end his career with the Giants. I typically don't want HCs who already won superbowls bc no HC who won a SB won another one with a different team, but I'd make the exception for Bellichick.

Love that guy. He's still a Giant to me. And I think deep down, he feels the same way.

Jughead10
09-04-2011, 12:19 PM
Seeing the Bill Belichick commercial on NFL network showing how he is around his team and coaches, and how choked up he got when he visited Giants stadium one last time really makes me want him as our next coach.

I know it will never happen, but I have a feeling that BB's dream is to end his career with the Giants. I typically don't want HCs who already won superbowls bc no HC who won a SB won another one with a different team, but I'd make the exception for Bellichick.

Love that guy. He's still a Giant to me. And I think deep down, he feels the same way.

Haha thought the same thing when I saw it. When does his contract end? Does anyone know? His contract is like the most secretive document ever.

BigBlueNorwegian
09-04-2011, 02:30 PM
I'm really happy that we managed to get Andre Brown signed to our practice squad. He's got some potential, so it's good to have him around our team.

And I'm really glad to have Herzlich on the roster. I just have this sneaking feeling that he's going to be good in a couple of years. I surely wouldn't bet against him, he just sounds like a man on a mission to get back to his old form. A true feelgood story.

Oh, and I agree with you guys. If we ever got Bellichick to come back as our HC, I would jizz in my pants. And that show seems really good. definetly going to try to watch it.

OSUGiants17
09-04-2011, 03:21 PM
Contract status

Although the Patriots are known for being very secretive about the details of Belichick's contract, an ESPN.com report in September 2007, shortly after the Spygate incident began, indicated that the Patriots had extended Belichick's contract, before the 2007 season began, through at least the 2013 season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick#Contract_status

Malaka
09-04-2011, 03:35 PM
I think we're pretty deep along the oline though. Which is a pleasant surprise.

Losing Dillard makes that draft pick hurt even more. I remember wanting a LB bad in that draft, but after we passed on LB in the first 3 rounds, I rather us not draft 1 at all. To me, there was no point of getting another middle round body at the position bc it wouldn't solve anything.

Think about the players we passed on. Geno, Aaron Hernandez come to mind immediately. We could have used both of those guys right now.

In fact, Beckum hurts more than anyone, bc we passed on a lot of TEs in that draft class bc we believed in Beckum. And Beckum sucks. Imagine if we had Jimmy Graham, or Aaron Hernandez right now. We'd be set.

We only have 3 picks left on the team from that draft class. JPP, Linval, and Petrus. Luckily for us, I think all 3 are going to be future studs. But losing Chad Jones tragically and whiffing on Dillard hurt a little. We could have had an even better draft if we hit on those 2 rounds. And while typically you say that's asking for too much, the 2010 draft class was the deepest draft class of the past 15 years, it was totally doable. We had 2nd round talent falling to the 4th round in that draft class, it was sick.

I guess I can't complain though. We nailed 3 of those picks.

I hear you bro, I am shocked we passed on Hernandez for Beckum. Maybe someone could refresh my memory, but was Beckum honestly rated higher than Hernandez? Both are H-Back type TEs...

bigbluedefense
09-04-2011, 04:01 PM
I hear you bro, I am shocked we passed on Hernandez for Beckum. Maybe someone could refresh my memory, but was Beckum honestly rated higher than Hernandez? Both are H-Back type TEs...

You got your years mixed up bro. Beckum was drafted a year before Hernandez.

We passed on TEs in that draft bc we drafted Beckum the year before. Which in hindsight is obviously a mistake. We still should have went after Hernandez though. We knew we had Boss' contract coming up.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-04-2011, 04:14 PM
You got your years mixed up bro. Beckum was drafted a year before Hernandez.

We passed on TEs in that draft bc we drafted Beckum the year before. Which in hindsight is obviously a mistake. We still should have went after Hernandez though. We knew we had Boss' contract coming up.

We thought we could re-sign Boss.

Malaka
09-04-2011, 04:38 PM
You got your years mixed up bro. Beckum was drafted a year before Hernandez.

We passed on TEs in that draft bc we drafted Beckum the year before. Which in hindsight is obviously a mistake. We still should have went after Hernandez though. We knew we had Boss' contract coming up.

Ah I knew something was funny. Thank you for clearing that up.

Don't remind me about Boss... I am still depressed lol, I think he was a much bigger loss than Smith. I actually think Smith won't ever be the same player, but Boss... Boss wasn't an All-Pro but he was good enough, now we have absolutely no one at TE.

bigbluedefense
09-04-2011, 05:38 PM
Boss wasn't really a loss. Long term, it was actually a better move to let him walk. I didn't want us to tie up money to him and force us not to go out and upgrade the position. Now while this move hurts us this year, we will upgrade the position now in the future and that is in the best interest of the offense.

Smith was a huge blow. He was Eli's checkdown. The microfracture hurts him sure, but he was never a world beater athlete to begin with. He was a guy who found holes in the defense and got open underneath.

Before the microfracture we probably would have overpaid for a possession WR, but now we could have got him cheaper. Hopefully we still can. I think he'll be fine.

But chances are he's seen his last days with the Giants which is unfortunate

Giantsfan1080
09-04-2011, 05:48 PM
I love Belichick. I'd throw Coughlin or any coach out for him in a heartbeat. Spags is next. He still doesn't get enough credit.

bigbluedefense
09-04-2011, 05:51 PM
Spags </3

I really was hoping we'd find a way to keep him. The Giants have a notorious history for letting brilliant young assistants go elsewhere.

The only one we kept was Parcells. And we got lucky on that.

Giantsfan1080
09-04-2011, 05:57 PM
It would have been unprecedented but I would have told Spags he has the coaching job 1 year after the SB. I like Coughlin but I'd have throw him out for Spags.

bigbluedefense
09-04-2011, 06:02 PM
I would have done the same. I felt Spags was a guy we absolutely couldn't have let go.

We've been searching for a steady brilliant defensive mind to run this team for years. We finally found it, and we let him go.

Where else are we gonna find a smart, young, up and coming guy who is a blitzing coordinator in a 4-3 scheme?

They don't even exist anymore. Every blitzing coordinator runs a 3-4 now.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-04-2011, 08:16 PM
We couldnt stop Spags. He is climbing the coaching ladder.

bigbluedefense
09-05-2011, 10:39 AM
I don't think the Redskins are going to be as easy of a victory as they have been in the past.

They actually have slowly built up their roster. Oline isn't putrid anymore. Not great, but not putrid. They have decent weapons. Not great, but decent.

They have a good run game. They have a respectable front 7.

And with our lack of chemistry on offense, a couple of turnovers could cost us the game. Hopefully we slap Beck around on defense.

I just want us to run the ball all game long. They'll tap out eventually.

Forenci
09-05-2011, 12:33 PM
I don't think the Redskins are going to be as easy of a victory as they have been in the past.

They actually have slowly built up their roster. Oline isn't putrid anymore. Not great, but not putrid. They have decent weapons. Not great, but decent.

They have a good run game. They have a respectable front 7.

And with our lack of chemistry on offense, a couple of turnovers could cost us the game. Hopefully we slap Beck around on defense.

I just want us to run the ball all game long. They'll tap out eventually.

They have arguably the worst QB situation in the NFL though. I'm not overly worried about them, but they are somewhat better in their overall roster. The drop off at QB is miserable though.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-05-2011, 03:50 PM
http://www.giants.com/media-vault/videos/Coach-Tom-Coughlin/98aa571b-fa37-401d-82e0-d0b50b47ddfc

JBCX
09-06-2011, 12:52 PM
The Redskins will win this game and Grossman will be shockingly efficient.

Jughead10
09-06-2011, 12:57 PM
The Redskins will win this game and Grossman will be shockingly efficient.

The sky is purple and I'm going to sleep with 5 supermodels this week.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-06-2011, 02:01 PM
"That's what gives you a chance. Otherwise you're a play behind," Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said. "If I have a curl route and you're in a 2 zone, you got me. If you're in two man, you got me. But if I have (something) which allows me to convert, I got you."


Giants' Receivers Need Ph.D.s in Route-Running

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576024021655455958.html

Jughead10
09-06-2011, 02:09 PM
"That's what gives you a chance. Otherwise you're a play behind," Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said. "If I have a curl route and you're in a 2 zone, you got me. If you're in two man, you got me. But if I have (something) which allows me to convert, I got you."


Giants' Receivers Need Ph.D.s in Route-Running

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576024021655455958.html

Haha. You think Mario can spell Ph.D?

NY+Giants=NYG
09-06-2011, 03:44 PM
I have sad news... So sit down.. Put a belt in your mouth just in case you guys may want to bite down. Ok.. Ready...

Per league source, Giants LB Jonathan Goff has torn ACL and is out for the year. Team is expected to sign Kawika Mitchell to replace him.


So, add 1 more to the IR fest!

NY+Giants=NYG
09-06-2011, 03:46 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/ProFootballTalk/status/111175690539384832

Jughead10
09-06-2011, 03:49 PM
I don't think this injury hurts as much as if we lost another CB or DL. Granted we did go into the final 53 with 4 rookie LBs, but Goff is replaceable. I like him and I think he does a fine job, but he's a two down LB who can't cover. I think Jones can fill in.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-06-2011, 03:52 PM
Giants middle linebacker Jonathan Goff lost for season with torn ACL
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2011/09/giants_middle_linebacker_jonat.html

Jughead10
09-06-2011, 03:59 PM
Per depth chart the Giants released today, Hixon is returning punts. Jernigan was third string.

BigBlueNorwegian
09-06-2011, 04:05 PM
****** INJURIES! every ****** year we get a ******** of injuries that totally screw us out of any chance at a legitimate superbowl run. We are SO cursed it's not even funny

NY+Giants=NYG
09-06-2011, 04:06 PM
Per depth chart the Giants released today, Hixon is returning punts. Jernigan was third string.

Yeah, they must have made it recently, because the TC presser, he wasn't sure. It helps the position, but with the rate of ACLs, I truly hope it doesn't take away from WR, or worse hixon doesn't get hurt.

Giantsfan1080
09-06-2011, 04:09 PM
More crappy news but I think Jones can do an admirable job.

Jughead10
09-06-2011, 04:12 PM
It also had Ballard ahead of Beckum. If we had any type of depth at TE, I have to think Beckum doesn't make this team. I've completely given up on him as well now.

OSUGiants17
09-06-2011, 04:23 PM
So I guess we better hope all those great junior LBs declare for the draft. Whatever I wasn't that high on Goff and I missed Kawika and this gives Jones and Herzy more playtime

JBCX
09-06-2011, 08:01 PM
Holy ****, I thought it was bad enough already, but the Giants just lost Jonathan Goff on top of all that?

I'm not a Giants fan, but I offer my condolences. That's f-in crazy. You guys lost your MLB, #1 CB, #3 CB, #3 DT, and OLB all in the span of one off-season.

I've never seen anything like it before.

Damix
09-06-2011, 10:05 PM
You'd think we'd be interested in Lofa now.

Rosebud
09-06-2011, 11:10 PM
Holy ****, I thought it was bad enough already, but the Giants just lost Jonathan Goff on top of all that?

I'm not a Giants fan, but I offer my condolences. That's f-in crazy. You guys lost your MLB, #1 CB, #3 CB, #3 DT, and OLB all in the span of one off-season.

I've never seen anything like it before.

No we didn't...we lost our #1 MIKE, #2 CB, #4/5 CB, #3-5 DT and #2 SAM for the season...which sucks enough for you not to have to twist the facts to make our situation seem worse than it is.

Rosebud
09-06-2011, 11:11 PM
You'd think we'd be interested in Lofa now.

Aren't we signing Kawika Mitchell? He played great for Fewell when he left us after the SB win.

scottyboy
09-06-2011, 11:39 PM
so looks like we've signed Kawika, but they're saying he won't be ready for Sunday...so Greg Jones is penciled in at starting Mike...which I am EXTREMELY excited to see.

BigBlueNorwegian
09-07-2011, 06:36 AM
I guess this means Boley goes back to calling the defensive plays in the huddle? If I remember correctly, wasn't he the one calling the plays when Pierce went down in the 2009 season?

bigbluedefense
09-07-2011, 12:13 PM
Losing Goff hurts. Say what you want about the guy, but he was a very solid player. Was he a great player? No, but he's still better than anything else we had at MIKE. And he was improving too. Now he's suffered a torn ACL in a contract year, so he probably won't have much of a future with us anymore. Sad.

This probably means we finally go after a LB (or 2) in the draft. Hopefully. Let's cross our fingers on that one.

In the mean time, I guess we'll see even more 3 safety sets now. Jones can do a decent job inside for us. I don't expect him to be as good as Goff was, but he'll soften the blow.

Don't really care about Kawika. He was great for us in 07, but that was 4 years and 2 ACLs ago. Let's temper expectations.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-07-2011, 12:14 PM
so looks like we've signed Kawika, but they're saying he won't be ready for Sunday...so Greg Jones is penciled in at starting Mike...which I am EXTREMELY excited to see.

Me too! If he can get into beast mode than he never looks back and can be a rookie starter who can be an impact.

bigbluedefense
09-07-2011, 12:17 PM
I liked Jones in college. So far he's looked good. But it's asking a lot of him to step in right away like this. There will be a learning curve.

And let's not forget, the guy still has physical limitations. So he won't be a savior. Just hopefully a guy who can come in and give us a little bit of what Goff gave us.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-07-2011, 12:26 PM
Or he can be our new AP. Undrafted guy who proves to be a leader and won't get old for a while. Let's see how he progresses.

bigbluedefense
09-07-2011, 12:31 PM
Maybe.

He can also be a dud. All I'm saying is, let's temper expectations. I like the guy too, but I'm not gonna expect him to be a savior.

I hope Herzy can continue to get his athleticism back and give us something on the outside as well.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-07-2011, 12:33 PM
Maybe.

He can also be a dud. All I'm saying is, let's temper expectations. I like the guy too, but I'm not gonna expect him to be a savior.

I hope Herzy can continue to get his athleticism back and give us something on the outside as well.

Yes, so either way let's give him a chance and see him play.

Giantsfan1080
09-07-2011, 03:16 PM
Looks like we worked out Chase today as well.

Forenci
09-07-2011, 03:31 PM
Makes sense. I've never really liked him as a starter, but I've always thought he's been a good back up and great special teams player. I'm surprised a team like San Diego didn't pick him up with their lack of special teams ability.

scottyboy
09-07-2011, 05:16 PM
good, bring chase back. i was pissed that we didn't bring him back

scottyboy
09-08-2011, 12:42 PM
so Eli, Boley and Snee all re-worked their contracts...is a big sexy move coming? are we paying Osi? hmmm

Giantsfan1080
09-08-2011, 01:05 PM
so Eli, Boley and Snee all re-worked their contracts...is a big sexy move coming? are we paying Osi? hmmm

I doubt it. They probably want to pay some more money now to make room for the future.

Giantsfan1080
09-08-2011, 01:07 PM
Ohh yeah Tuck isn't practicing today because of a neck injury. Who wants to bet he doesn't play Sunday?

Jughead10
09-08-2011, 01:19 PM
He'll play, I have no doubt in that. It's just how effective will the injury allow him to be.

Giantsfan1080
09-08-2011, 01:27 PM
He'll play, I have no doubt in that. It's just how effective will the injury allow him to be.

We'll see. I don't put anything past this team injury wise at this point.

Giantsfan1080
09-08-2011, 02:27 PM
Looks like I was right.

From Tuck:

"You can't fight through a neck injury. I won't risk an entire season for one game."

bigbluedefense
09-08-2011, 02:45 PM
My concern is if this is a season ending injury. Knowing our luck, it probably will be.

Forenci
09-08-2011, 03:21 PM
I hope not. Nonetheless, JPP will need to step up big this game. It's too bad there's a linebacker shortage or I imagine Kiwi would be putting his hand on the ground the entire game.

bigbluedefense
09-08-2011, 04:08 PM
If Tuck doesn't play, I'm almost positive Kiwi will play End full time on Sunday.

Kiwi is playing LB strictly to get our best men on the field on all downs. With Tuck out, that would no longer be needed.

weiket
09-09-2011, 06:39 AM
I miss the old one :(

i miss it also .

bigbluedefense
09-09-2011, 08:59 AM
Watching that game last night makes you realize that even though we can manage in the secondary without Thomas or Prince, we're still going to struggle vs elite passing teams without them.

We better pray that Ross stays healthy all season and Prince can come back as soon as possible and give us a season like McCourty did for the Pats.

This season is shaping up to be a disappointment though with our rash of injuries. We have depth (thanks to Reese), but depth is still not as talented as starters. That's just how it is.

And I hate how we're treating the Redskins like a walk in the park, like we just have to show up and we'll win. That concerns me.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-09-2011, 10:10 AM
Watching that game last night makes you realize that even though we can manage in the secondary without Thomas or Prince, we're still going to struggle vs elite passing teams without them.

We better pray that Ross stays healthy all season and Prince can come back as soon as possible and give us a season like McCourty did for the Pats.

This season is shaping up to be a disappointment though with our rash of injuries. We have depth (thanks to Reese), but depth is still not as talented as starters. That's just how it is.

And I hate how we're treating the Redskins like a walk in the park, like we just have to show up and we'll win. That concerns me.

We? Are you planning on playing Sunday? Hmm are you a coach or player and have been holding out on us BBD?

We, as fans, probably are thinking it will be a walk in the park, but I doubt Coughlin is. We got some young guys who haven't played so I am sure they will treat them and respect the redskins and be excited to play.

Fans can do whatever, but I have faith Coughlin will get these guys focused.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-09-2011, 10:25 AM
Burress takes direct aim at Coughlin, Manning and fans
http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/burress_takes_direct_aim_at_coughlin_0OcYacuejM7mQ u1SoGXIgK

Rosebud
09-09-2011, 10:25 AM
We? Are you planning on playing Sunday? Hmm are you a coach or player and have been holding out on us BBD?

We, as fans, probably are thinking it will be a walk in the park, but I doubt Coughlin is. We got some young guys who haven't played so I am sure they will treat them and respect the redskins and be excited to play.

Fans can do whatever, but I have faith Coughlin will get these guys focused.

Do you really? I like coughlin a lot but our team plays so differently depending on whether they're getting hyped or shat on in the media that I'm not really sure just how well TC commands that locker-room. That said I do think we'll come out focused and fired up because we're getting shat on quite a bit.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-09-2011, 10:32 AM
Do you really? I like coughlin a lot but our team plays so differently depending on whether they're getting hyped or shat on in the media that I'm not really sure just how well TC commands that locker-room. That said I do think we'll come out focused and fired up because we're getting shat on quite a bit.

Yeah, he prepares us very well. Now if the team misses assignments and can't run the right routes in key situations, it's not Coughlin's fault. That's on the players and their ability to do the right things.

Jughead10
09-09-2011, 10:44 AM
Burress takes direct aim at Coughlin, Manning and fans
http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/burress_takes_direct_aim_at_coughlin_0OcYacuejM7mQ u1SoGXIgK


He's an idiot. Always has been, apparently always will be. Jail seems to have done nothing for him according to these comments. That being said, he could always play and play very well.

I don't think it was the not practicing that was always an issue. It was the missing and being late to meetings and other practices. It's just all about him in his mind.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-09-2011, 10:51 AM
He's an idiot. Always has been, apparently always will be. Jail seems to have done nothing for him according to these comments. That being said, he could always play and play very well.

I don't think it was the not practicing that was always an issue. It was the missing and being late to meetings and other practices. It's just all about him in his mind.

That's why we gave him a joke of a contract and no one came to his aide and said yea lets sign him. Eli didn't and Coughlin didn't. That speaks volumes.

Rosebud
09-09-2011, 10:51 AM
Yeah, he prepares us very well. Now if the team misses assignments and can't run the right routes in key situations, it's not Coughlin's fault. That's on the players and their ability to do the right things.

I'm not trying to blame coughlin but I do think a part of the measure of a great head coach is how focused his team plays and our teams' focus is affected by the media and outside world more than most. Sure that may be a roster issue, but it's not only on the players.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-09-2011, 10:57 AM
I'm not trying to blame coughlin but I do think a part of the measure of a great head coach is how focused his team plays and our teams' focus is affected by the media and outside world more than most. Sure that may be a roster issue, but it's not only on the players.

The scheme is proven, I think the HC and his coordinator hirings are an issue. But the players have to do better with mental mistakes. Coughlin has shown that when guys focus good things happen. When players don't focus the whole car falls apart. People forget about Fasshole and what happens when players lose focus and give up.

Giantsfan1080
09-09-2011, 11:31 AM
Plax is such a moron. He's delusional.

Forenci
09-09-2011, 12:35 PM
I need to find a stream of the game online for Sunday. There aren't any really good bars around here that seem to carry the game so I'm going to need a find a place to watch it online.

I'll cry if I don't get the game. I'm PUMPED!

Jughead10
09-09-2011, 12:48 PM
I need to find a stream of the game online for Sunday. There aren't any really good bars around here that seem to carry the game so I'm going to need a find a place to watch it online.

I'll cry if I don't get the game. I'm PUMPED!

Where are you? Your best bet might be a Buffalo Wild Wings or something like that.

Giantsfan1080
09-09-2011, 12:52 PM
@NYPost_Hubbuch Doesn't sound like Travis Beckum will play for #NYG on Sunday. Both hamstrings are bothering him.

Jughead10
09-09-2011, 01:01 PM
@NYPost_Hubbuch Doesn't sound like Travis Beckum will play for #NYG on Sunday. Both hamstrings are bothering him.

We're doomed now!

Giantsfan1080
09-09-2011, 01:05 PM
We're doomed now!

This is actually a good thing. We really did flub the TE situation though.

Jughead10
09-09-2011, 01:10 PM
I was thinking the same thing. That's one less block he won't be able to not make this week.

Forenci
09-09-2011, 01:10 PM
Where are you? Your best bet might be a Buffalo Wild Wings or something like that.

South Carolina. I'm about a half hour out of Charlotte. I know there is a BWW in or near Charlotte but it's kind of a pain in the ass to get to from where I am.

Giantsfan1080
09-09-2011, 02:40 PM
I was thinking the same thing. That's one less block he won't be able to not make this week.

Yea, I feel much more comfortable with Hynoski and FB and Pascoe and Ballard lining up at the TE spots.

Jughead10
09-09-2011, 02:49 PM
And I hate how we're treating the Redskins like a walk in the park, like we just have to show up and we'll win. That concerns me.

They're terrible. We beat them easily with half our starters on offense missing last year. And they've only gotten worse at QB.

Honestly, as long as we have Eli and a good offensive line, we should beat them.

Giantsfan1080
09-09-2011, 02:52 PM
Landry isn't playing for them either so that's a loss for them.

Jughead10
09-09-2011, 02:54 PM
Landry isn't playing for them either so that's a loss for them.

Too bad.

Que Jacobs youtube video.

Giantsfan1080
09-09-2011, 03:19 PM
If we don't win Sunday then it will be a very long year most likely. I'm already worried about the 6 game stretch where we play @Patriots, Eagles, @Saints, Packers, and @Cowboys. We also play the 49'ers in there but we still have to fly out to the west coast.

Giantsfan1080
09-09-2011, 03:21 PM
Too bad.

Que Jacobs youtube video.

http://www.nfl-giants.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jacobs-destroys-landry-week-1.gif

Jughead10
09-09-2011, 03:22 PM
If we don't win Sunday then it will be a very long year most likely. I'm already worried about the 6 game stretch where we play @Patriots, Eagles, @Saints, Packers, and @Cowboys. We also play the 49'ers in there but we still have to fly out to the west coast.

With all injuries, I'll worry about those game then and see what our roster looks like when they come. I just want to start 2-0, and take it from there.

Jughead10
09-09-2011, 03:26 PM
http://www.nfl-giants.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jacobs-destroys-landry-week-1.gif

Haha. It never gets old. I just emailed it to a friend down here who is a Redskins fan. Email subject line: "Eat it".

Giantsfan1080
09-09-2011, 03:28 PM
It looks like Jacobs was back to being that type of runner in the preseason so that's why I'm not to worried about the offense right now. Bradshaw and Jacobs behind our O-Line should help give Manning the time he needs to get acclimated to all the players that need to step up.

bigbluedefense
09-09-2011, 04:30 PM
We should be able to just pound them into submission. I really hope we run it 70% of the time on Sunday.

I just don't see us doing that though. I'll still be shocked if we lose.

Can we just cut Beckum? That turd pisses me off. What a waste of a draft pick.

Our run game should be exponentially better this year. With Diehl at LG and Baas at Center, we significantly improved our oline. Plus Hyonski and Pascoe make for better run blockers in each of their positions as well.

We basically upgraded the run blocking to 4 positions. So I fully expect the run game to be dominant this year. Of course there's a give and take. Our passing attack is going to be mediocre.

ESPN broke down Eli on 3rd down last year and there were alarming numbers. Against 5 DBs, when Eli threw to Smith or Boss, his qb rating was roughly in the 90s.

When he threw against 5 DBs to either Nicks or Mario....his rating was in the 60s.

Think about that. That's scary. He lost his 2 safety valves and he's going to have to force feed it to Nicks and Mario. That statistic tells me that those 2 are consistently not in the right spots. And now we have no choice but to forcefeed it to them.

The passing attack is going to be ugly this year. I fully expect Eli to have a poor statistical season.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-09-2011, 04:45 PM
We should be able to just pound them into submission. I really hope we run it 70% of the time on Sunday.

I just don't see us doing that though. I'll still be shocked if we lose.

Can we just cut Beckum? That turd pisses me off. What a waste of a draft pick.

Our run game should be exponentially better this year. With Diehl at LG and Baas at Center, we significantly improved our oline. Plus Hyonski and Pascoe make for better run blockers in each of their positions as well.

We basically upgraded the run blocking to 4 positions. So I fully expect the run game to be dominant this year. Of course there's a give and take. Our passing attack is going to be mediocre.

ESPN broke down Eli on 3rd down last year and there were alarming numbers. Against 5 DBs, when Eli threw to Smith or Boss, his qb rating was roughly in the 90s.

When he threw against 5 DBs to either Nicks or Mario....his rating was in the 60s.

Think about that. That's scary. He lost his 2 safety valves and he's going to have to force feed it to Nicks and Mario. That statistic tells me that those 2 are consistently not in the right spots. And now we have no choice but to forcefeed it to them.

The passing attack is going to be ugly this year. I fully expect Eli to have a poor statistical season.



He better not! I can't take the MB and offseason trolls if that were to happen. If we are going to be bad, then go for epic bad, so we can get Luck. Don't be avg bad, be the champion of bad.

Forenci
09-09-2011, 05:02 PM
We should be able to just pound them into submission. I really hope we run it 70% of the time on Sunday.

I just don't see us doing that though. I'll still be shocked if we lose.

Can we just cut Beckum? That turd pisses me off. What a waste of a draft pick.

Our run game should be exponentially better this year. With Diehl at LG and Baas at Center, we significantly improved our oline. Plus Hyonski and Pascoe make for better run blockers in each of their positions as well.

We basically upgraded the run blocking to 4 positions. So I fully expect the run game to be dominant this year. Of course there's a give and take. Our passing attack is going to be mediocre.

ESPN broke down Eli on 3rd down last year and there were alarming numbers. Against 5 DBs, when Eli threw to Smith or Boss, his qb rating was roughly in the 90s.

When he threw against 5 DBs to either Nicks or Mario....his rating was in the 60s.

Think about that. That's scary. He lost his 2 safety valves and he's going to have to force feed it to Nicks and Mario. That statistic tells me that those 2 are consistently not in the right spots. And now we have no choice but to forcefeed it to them.

The passing attack is going to be ugly this year. I fully expect Eli to have a poor statistical season.

I think Nicks will improve in his route choices this year. He's a pretty intelligent player who's had a couple injuries and lack of time in the system hold him back. Hopefully he stays healthy all year and becomes a dominant wide receiver in the NFL.

OSUGiants17
09-09-2011, 07:04 PM
Just read this article from Burress:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d822138b5/article/burress-says-giants-coughlin-treated-players-like-kids?module=HP11_headline_stack

Don't get me wrong, I love Coughlin, but he is so old school and I would love a youthful coaching staff to liven up this team. We need more life in this team, that's one thing that I noticed has really been missing since our SuperBowl run. Maybe the reason some of our guys don't resign is the fact that Coughlin really knows how to be an asshole. Not to mention Killdrive needs to go, this crazy offense that requires players to have a PhD isn't working, maybe we should simplify a bit and let Eli run the offense more. If we miss the playoffs this year I would have no problem getting rid of those two and keeping Perry only.

bigbluedefense
09-10-2011, 03:24 PM
There's nothing wrong with Coughlin, I like how he manages the team. I just have a problem with his assistants, and his refusal to overrule them. He's too loyal to his assistants.

The team plays hard for him, they respond to him. Plax is just a turd. It's so obvious he hasn't changed. Everyone can see it. He has no remorse or accountability at all. He's the same old Plax.

Giantsfan1080
09-10-2011, 03:49 PM
We called up Trattou to the active roster and IR'ed Goff which leads me to believe we will be playing without Tuck tomorrow.

I don't know if it's all the injuries or the lockout or what but this is the least excited I've been in 10 years for a Giants season. It's disappointing.

BaLLiN
09-10-2011, 05:16 PM
I'd much rather have Kiwi playing DE then LB, no offense to him but he's an liability in coverage. He's at his best when his hand is in the dirt and he's rushing the passer, we need more of that. This move will allow us to upgrade our LB position vs coverage (where we'll need it most vs the redskins) and rest Tuck so he doesn't have to miss an extended amount of time.

I don't know who we'd start at LB, but i hope that we go with Paysinger just because Herzlich doesn't seem like he's 100% yet and Jacquain Williams isn't as apt in coverage although he offers a lot more as a rushbacker. Kawika prob is a possibility but two ACL's? yeah... not good (why the hell aren't we looking at Lofa Tatupu?)

bigbluedefense
09-10-2011, 05:16 PM
We called up Trattou to the active roster and IR'ed Goff which leads me to believe we will be playing without Tuck tomorrow.

I don't know if it's all the injuries or the lockout or what but this is the least excited I've been in 10 years for a Giants season. It's disappointing.

As crazy as it sounds, we have em right where we want em.

I'm superstitious, so i'm not gonna really make any predictions or go into this season with any expectations. Let's just see how it plays out.

Giantsfan1080
09-10-2011, 05:18 PM
Kawika isn't on the team yet.

BaLLiN
09-10-2011, 05:24 PM
http://www.dikkers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/underdog.jpg

Giantsfan1080
09-10-2011, 05:25 PM
I'm sorry to do this also because I tried to get over it but how the hell did our doctors screw up the Smith thing so bad???????

He's playing tomorrow and we said he wouldn't be back until at least Week 6 or 7? I mean that's seriously a terrible terrible job on our part. When he scores his 1st TD I don't know what I'll do.

At least maybe we can take Sanu. 13 catches for 199 yds and an incredible TD catch today. You're spot on with the Nicks comparison BBD.

bigbluedefense
09-10-2011, 05:32 PM
I'm sorry to do this also because I tried to get over it but how the hell did our doctors screw up the Smith thing so bad???????

He's playing tomorrow and we said he wouldn't be back until at least Week 6 or 7? I mean that's seriously a terrible terrible job on our part. When he scores his 1st TD I don't know what I'll do.

At least maybe we can take Sanu. 13 catches for 199 yds and an incredible TD catch today. You're spot on with the Nicks comparison BBD.

I want Sanu. Bad. Unless a stud MIKE is on the board, I want Sanu. He's a carbon copy to Nicks.

The only WR I've seen so far that I like more than Sanu (to be fair I haven't seen them all yet) is Blackmon. Sanu is a beast.

And don't get me started on Smith. I don't care what anyone says, heads should roll for this Smith fiasco.

Giantsfan1080
09-10-2011, 05:35 PM
Blackmon and Jeffrey are definitely better than Sanu but this is turning into a similar WR class to that of 2008 when we took Nicks.

Kuechly has looked excellent so far also so he's #1 on my LB board for now. Since he's a BC boy there is a very good chance we'll be in on him.

Giantsfan1080
09-10-2011, 05:39 PM
So with no Tuck tomorrow I guess we'll go with Grant as our 3rd LB most of the game?

We'll have JPP, Canty, Joseph, Kiwi on the line and Boley and Jones as the 2 LB's. Our secondary is going to have to dictate a lot of the game tomorrow especially Rolle and Phillips. We need Phillips to take that step up again to becoming a top tier S. I am super pumped to watch Joseph go and if he steps up like I think he will then it's going to be fun to watch this D-Line when fully healthy.

bigbluedefense
09-10-2011, 05:49 PM
Luke won't come out though. Those BC boys tend to stay 4 years.

Teo is another LB I have my eye on.

I want Tuck to rest. Move Kiwi to DE for now. Why risk it? I like Williams as a blitzing LB. The guy has serious speed and knows how to use it when he blitzes.

Giantsfan1080
09-10-2011, 06:16 PM
I didn't see enough of Williams but I'd be a little nervous throwing him out there in a big situation. That goes for Paysinger and Herzlich also.

I think Teo is kind of overrated at this point but I'll try an keep an eye on him more especially tonight.

Giantsfan1080
09-11-2011, 01:54 PM
No Tuck. I'm sick of these injuries.

Rob S
09-11-2011, 05:47 PM
JPP is very, very good

BaLLiN
09-11-2011, 06:10 PM
i might throw up

scottyboy
09-11-2011, 06:22 PM
****.
10 characters. honestly i dont even care.

**** **** ****.

we. looked. horrendous

BigBlueNorwegian
09-11-2011, 06:42 PM
So yeah, we suck.

JPP was beasting while being doubled almost every down, but that's the only positive thing I saw all game long.

Our O-line played like crap, Passing game is crappy except for Nicks, and our D can't cover anyone.

OSUGiants17
09-11-2011, 07:08 PM
They found every hole in our zone, and in man we gave such big cushions, our pass blocking sucked, Eli had happy feet the whole game and was constantly dancing in the pocket, Nicks, or Hicks as Joe Schmuck called him, is our only WR and we can't get a pass rush without Tuck or Osi. So yea we're ****** thanks to all these injuries and losses in the passing game.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-11-2011, 08:01 PM
I don't know what you guys expected defensively. Half the team is gone, lol. And the ones that aren't on IR are not playing! Prince, Tuck and Osi out.. We did what we could but got beat.

Offensively, it's what I been saying regarding our OL. They need time to gel, and it showed. Pass pro was terrible!!!!! Maybe now we can stop drafting defense and go offense 1st round? We need more weapons on offense.

Forenci
09-11-2011, 11:13 PM
I'm not going to say much now, but in regards to the OL....I think McKenzie is finished. I don't know who can replace him but he just looks old and slow. Beatty was good early on but missed some assignments. I think it's an experience thing with him as he just hasn't seemed great against the 3-4.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 07:31 AM
If I ever see that 10 yard soft zone ever again I might take Fewell out myself. Just horrendous coaching yesterday.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 08:01 AM
Between the game yesterday and how hungover I am, I really thought about driving into the divider on my way to work.

BigBlueNorwegian
09-12-2011, 08:28 AM
Between the game yesterday and how hungover I am, I really thought about driving into the divider on my way to work.

Don't do it yet! When the Eagles put up 50 on us week 3, I won't try to stop you. But it's still too early!

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 08:34 AM
Don't do it yet! When the Eagles put up 50 on us week 3, I won't try to stop you. But it's still too early!

It's the Redskins though. Embarrassing.

BigBlueNorwegian
09-12-2011, 08:41 AM
It's the Redskins though. Embarrassing.


Not going to argue with you there. Rex ******* Grossman shouldn't be able to put up those kinds of numbers against our defense, regardless of how many injuries we had. That soft zone was horrible.

Not looking forward to a potential humiliation on MNF next week.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 08:44 AM
Well we can thank the Eagles for practically taking out every "weapon" the Rams have. If we can't beat them next week then we better pack up and clean house.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 08:49 AM
Well we can thank the Eagles for practically taking out every "weapon" the Rams have. If we can't beat them next week then we better pack up and clean house.

Who got hurt?

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 08:53 AM
Who got hurt?

Everyone worth a damn. Jackson, Amendola, Jason Smith, Mikell, Bartell, and I think I'm missing one or two more. I don't know how bad all of them are but it didn't look good for Jackson or Amendola.

BigBlueNorwegian
09-12-2011, 08:54 AM
Who got hurt?

Danny Amendola is out for the season. And Steven Jackson injured his Quad, so he's probably questionable.

But most importantly, Bradford injured his trowing hand. They're not quite sure about the severity of the injury, but Spags seemed very concerned, and stated that he "would be up all night praying".

If both Bradford and Jackson are out against us, and we can't win, heads should roll all over the place.

M.O.T.H.
09-12-2011, 09:06 AM
Mikell got hurt? He was having a damn fine game.

You may be hurting in the secondary, but it's not like Bradford has anyone to throw to anyway. And now that Amendola is out for a long ass time, good luck. I wish they'd call Randy. I dont see how you guys dont roll to an easy victory.

Bradford actually returned to the game after being injured, he should be fine. He said he didnt see anyway he would miss the Giants game.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 09:13 AM
Mikell was definitely out of the game but I'm not sure what injury he sustained or how bad it is.

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 09:16 AM
that and we'll have tuck back next week. but yeah, if we lose to the Rams with them not having Sjax, it's time to pack up and play the Blackmon/Jeffery sweepstakes

M.O.T.H.
09-12-2011, 09:18 AM
Mikell was definitely out of the game but I'm not sure what injury he sustained or how bad it is.

Yeah, I dont doubt he was out. I have him on my fantasy team, and I watched the majority of the first half of that game, and he was playing some great ball. He also had like 8 points in the 1st half, which is fantastic for a S. haha. Well that sucks for them.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 09:20 AM
The defense is to blame for that loss by the way Scotty. I saw you say something otherwise in that other thread. Don't get me wrong the offense was by no means any good but the defense is to blame.

BigBlueNorwegian
09-12-2011, 09:31 AM
The defense is to blame for that loss by the way Scotty. I saw you say something otherwise in that other thread. Don't get me wrong the offense was by no means any good but the defense is to blame.


Well, I think that everyone deserves some blame for that loss. The Offense did not click at all, and we abandoned the run way too early. Defensively, the problems have already been stated. And let's not forget that the special teams did not look good either, with the big missed FG that could have given us some momentum, as well as some poor returns and missed tackles on the redskins' returns.

Mix that up with 8 penalties and poor coaching gameplans on both sides, and you have the blueprint for losing against another NFL team.

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 09:31 AM
I disagree with you on that one Zak. The D only gave up 21 points and was on the field for so so so so much of that game. The offense couldn't move the ball one bit and give them a breather. This and the injuries killed them. Justin Trattou was getting significant snaps in the 2nd half because he was our 3rd DE and Tolly and JPP were getting exhausted.

The D isn't fully off the hook, the zone coverages, the rookie LB play, Rolle, and the coverages in general were just awful

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 09:44 AM
I could also really kill Gilbride. They showed a shot of him once and I really wanted to throw something at the TV. I think it was after Mario ran a wrong route too.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 09:56 AM
I disagree with you on that one Zak. The D only gave up 21 points and was on the field for so so so so much of that game. The offense couldn't move the ball one bit and give them a breather. This and the injuries killed them. Justin Trattou was getting significant snaps in the 2nd half because he was our 3rd DE and Tolly and JPP were getting exhausted.

The D isn't fully off the hook, the zone coverages, the rookie LB play, Rolle, and the coverages in general were just awful

I've never seen such pathetic coverage in my life even in a zone defense. It looked like we had 5 CC Brown's out there. The whole secondary was just atrocious. Even when Phillips made that good play on Armstrong on the sideline knocking the ball out it was his fault in the first place for hhim being so wide open. He was late getting over. JPP and Joseph were probabaly the only 2 who played well. Boley was decent and Jones was missing which isn't a surprise. I blame Fewell the most for not bringing pressure and making everyone play off the line but even then the coverage was basically some of the worst I've ever seen.

The offense wasn't good overall due to crappy O-Line play but they still made plays when we needed them. I actually thought Eli played good. He was very smart with the football and only took chances when a guy was open. We did get away from the run way to quickly even though we were moving the ball at will on them early in that department for which Gilbride is to blame. How come we don't have any dual RB packages with both Bradshaw and Jacobs in the backfield by the way?

Plenty of thoughts are jumping in and out of my head though so I'll probabaly just ramble all day.

JBCX
09-12-2011, 11:45 AM
The Redskins will win this game and Grossman will be shockingly efficient.

*Rubs crystal ball with smirk on face*

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 11:50 AM
Does this bother anyone else?:

The Giants asked Mathias Kiwanuka if he wanted to play more defensive end on Sunday with Justin Tuck out. Kiwanuka, though, deferred, insisting instead that Dave Tollefson deserved the time.

"They approached me about it and there was some consideration given to it but what I was saying was that a guy like Dave Tollefson, who hasn’t gotten a lot of attention and hasn’t been in the spotlight a lot, [deserved to play]. You watch his play and there isn’t any dropoff from our first to our second, when JPP and Dave Tollefson are on the field," Kiwanuka said.

Rosebud
09-12-2011, 12:16 PM
Does this bother anyone else?:

Eh, not really. It's just Kiwi saying that if he's going to be starting games with his hand up he'd like to stay there and focus on that instead of continuing to flip flop between linebacker and lineman. Plus it's the first game of a season where Osi is out at the moment with a contract dispute and Tuck is out to but should be back, so if Kiwi did play DE last game it'd just be a temporary thing. Kiwi's a smart guy and a has worked really hard for this team, so it wouldn't surprise me if he also genuinely thought Tolly deserved the extra time.

Rosebud
09-12-2011, 12:17 PM
*Rubs crystal ball with smirk on face*

Gotta hand it to you, you were the only person to have predicted that Tuck would be out for this game which really hurt our pass rush...

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 12:22 PM
Well I thought Tuck would be out also but regardless I don't know why you bother with that fool.

JBCX
09-12-2011, 12:22 PM
Gotta hand it to you, you were the only person to have predicted that Tuck would be out for this game which really hurt our pass rush...

Even with Tuck in there, the Redskins win and Grossman looks efficient.

The Giants' secondary sucks and will suck for probably the entire season, and Eli willl subsequently look poor for the entire season as well.

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 12:33 PM
Even with Tuck in there, the Redskins win and Grossman looks efficient.

The Giants' secondary sucks and will suck for probably the entire season, and Eli willl subsequently look poor for the entire season as well.

The secondary will improve a bit when Prince returns.

And he may look poor, but I refuse to fault him. On 3rd downs, we don't have a go to guy. Nicks gets doubled, Manningham just runs a go route, nobody bothers with Ballard, and everyone else drops the ball or can't get open. And because of that, we just run screens and draws to Bradshaw and Ware. Super dooper efficient. But then again, the Eli haters knew that all offseason and have been licking their chops.

Eli gets some blame as he didn't look sharp, but a very, very small piece of it

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 12:35 PM
Does this bother anyone else?:

and as being the biggest Tolly supporter on this board...and maybe in the world outside of his family members and friends, I'm perfeectly ok with this.

Plus, Kiwi probably didn't want us throwing in 2 rookie LB knowing that with him there and Tolly at DE we were better off than Kiwi at DE and 2 rooks at LB...and maybe he's like **** it, let me just stay at LB and have a true position for once dammit hah

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 12:41 PM
I don't know maybe he should have made the switch back because I couldn't even tell he was playing yesterday besides a play or two.

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 12:45 PM
actually come to think of it, I don't remember hearing Kiwi's name much at all yesterday. I don't think he even made much of an impact. Wasn't really watching him

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 12:47 PM
actually come to think of it, I don't remember hearing Kiwi's name much at all yesterday. I don't think he even made much of an impact. Wasn't really watching him

That was my point haha. He was terrible.

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 12:48 PM
That was my point haha. He was terrible.

haha I just re-read your post. totally mis-read it at first. yeah, he wasnt an impact at all yesterday.
and anyone else worried that, like Kiwi, we haven't heard from BBD yet? I'm getting a little nervous

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 12:53 PM
Guys, long story short, we have a bad coaching staff. Fewell is doing what I thought he'd do. Instead of trusting his guys, he's running soft zones bc of our injuries. He's a bad coordinator. I hate Cover 2, and he's a Cover 2 coordinator. He's not great at drawing up blitzes either.

And Eli is to blame too, enough already. Yeah he has no weapons this year outside of Nicks, but he also refuses to even look at the other guys. It's like he doesn't trust them at all and instead just stares down Nicks and Mario the whole game. He's had a bad camp, a bad preseason, and now a bad regular season. He deserves to get criticized.

I think we can still salvage this. The oline clearly needs time to gel. Both in pass pro and the run game. But we desperately need another passing threat to emerge. Right now it's looking like we'll have a horrible passing attack all season. I've been trying to warn you guys about it all offseason, now maybe you'll see what I'm saying.

Defensively, we'll be ok. This wasn't the defenses fault. They were on the field all game. And injured, and they still made plays when they needed to. The offense couldn't do anything.

As long as Fewell gets his head out of his ass and runs more man, we'll be ok.

Even then, the WRs didn't kill us. The TE did. Bc we ran Cover 2, Cover 3, and Quarters all game.

Offensively, the run game will improve with time. But if we don't find another pass catcher and soon, we're in for a long season. St. Louis is a must win, bc Philly is smoking us.

Hopefully this was a wake up. I called it, I was worried about our approach to this game. We treated it like we can just walk in there and win. We definitely took them for granted and they stuck it to them all game long. The Redskins dominated that game, they deserved to win.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 12:54 PM
I feel like he hasn't been posting as much lately so I'm sure he'll chime in sooner rather than later.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 12:55 PM
Meanwhile, Steve Smith is shoving his balls in my mouth.

Thanks a lot Giants medical staff. You all can go F yourselves.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 12:56 PM
I feel like he hasn't been posting as much lately so I'm sure he'll chime in sooner rather than later.

Haha, busy at work. I'll be around.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 12:57 PM
Meanwhile, Steve Smith is shoving his balls in my mouth.

Thanks a lot Giants medical staff. You all can go F yourselves.

Do the Giants and Mets have the same medical staff? Our sideline doctor is like 90. Is he really the guy that wears a tweed jacket and old grandpa hat?

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 12:57 PM
I actually thought Eli played really smart yesterday. He took his chances when he had to. From our TV view I couldn't tell if guys were open and he wasn't looking their way but from what I saw I actually thought he played well.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 12:58 PM
Do the Giants and Mets have the same medical staff? Our sideline doctor is like 90. Is he really the guy that wears a tweed jacket and old grandpa hat?

Yes they actually do. Hospital for Special Surgery. I'm starting to think it's not a coincidence even though it's considered one of the better hospitals in the country.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 01:03 PM
Training staff and medical staff needs to get replaced.

It's not a coincidence anymore.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 01:04 PM
I think the only chance we have at salvaging our passing attack this year is if Ramses Barden comes back and tears it up. If not, we're done for.

Bc nobody else looks like they're worth a damn right now.

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 01:06 PM
HE'S ALIVE!

and we needed to run the ball more. 4 of our 5 OL are known as run blockers. We have 2 starting calibur RB's. POUND THE ROCK DOWN THEIR ******* THROATS. and that will set up playaction, which is Eli's favorite. And playfakes can help Mario get by the defenses with his speed on go routes.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 01:07 PM
I think the only chance we have at salvaging our passing attack this year is if Ramses Barden comes back and tears it up. If not, we're done for.

Bc nobody else looks like they're worth a damn right now.

Ballard actually had some nice plays. But I think that was a fluke more than anything. You can see he looks uncomfortable and his route running is poor.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 01:10 PM
I think my "favorite" part of the game was when we only rushed 3 on a crucial 3rd and long in the 3rd quarter and the secondary was still playing about 10 yards off. This is after Coughlin comes out after the half and said the #1 priority was to get more pressuse on Grossman.

You'd think we would have blitzed more often to cover up the fact that our D-Line had a rookie UDFA playing a ton of snaps.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 01:15 PM
Ballard actually had some nice plays. But I think that was a fluke more than anything. You can see he looks uncomfortable and his route running is poor.

If you thought Boss was slow, Ballard makes him look like Deion Sanders.

Luckily for Ballard, the Skins did not respect him at all and left him 1 on 1 with 50 year old London Fletcher the entire game, or a DE who dropped in coverage.

That was a fluke. We should pick up Donald Lee and hope he can give us something.

Like Scotty said, and like I was saying before the game, we should have pounded the rock all game. Instead we think we're the Packers.

Hopefully next week is another week. I need to get this bad taste out of my mouth.

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 01:16 PM
I think my "favorite" part of the game was when we only rushed 3 on a crucial 3rd and long in the 3rd quarter and the secondary was still playing about 10 yards off. This is after Coughlin comes out after the half and said the #1 priority was to get more pressuse on Grossman.

You'd think we would have blitzed more often to cover up the fact that our D-Line had a rookie UDFA playing a ton of snaps.

i literally screamed and called that during the play. just ask my roommate. i yelled WHY THE **** ARE WE RUSHING 3 WITH OUR TOP 2 DE'S OUT?
actually, i think my neighbors heard me too come to think of it...

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 01:24 PM
also, here's my "I'm bored and really dont wanna go to class in 20 minutes and completely over-reacting and getting ahead of myself" breakdown of the possible outcomes and reactions to next weeks game:

Giants come out, look sharp, dominate the Rams on national TV
Reaction: Redskins game was a fluke and the Redskins are a better team this year than in the past. Giants came out and beat up on a team they should have and the offense is looking more comfortable out there.

Giants look sloppy, eek out a win against the Rams
-Giants are just not a good team, they'll win some games and be a mediocre middle of the pack team all year. Beat an injured and less talented Rams team.

Giants lose to the Rams
-Giants suck. Cut everyone. Shut down everything. Bottom 5 team in league.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 01:28 PM
Hey at least JPP is a beast right guys?

:(

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 01:31 PM
I think the lesson we can learn from this season is we grossly overrated our WR core.

We thought we had a good WR core, but we really don't. We had 2 very good WRs in Nicks and Smith, and a bunch of mediocre ones. Once we lost Smith, the rest of the pieces exposed their mediocrity.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 01:42 PM
I think the lesson we can learn from this season is we grossly overrated our WR core.

We thought we had a good WR core, but we really don't. We had 2 very good WRs in Nicks and Smith, and a bunch of mediocre ones. Once we lost Smith, the rest of the pieces exposed their mediocrity.

From all our reaction to Smith leaving, I don't think anyone really overrated it too much.

How did Hixon play yesterday?

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 01:44 PM
Well the three we had last year were perfect compliments. I don't think you find that in the NFL that often that 3 different WR's all bring different skill sets to the table and do it well.

JPP and Joseph were the only players I took out of yesterday that had me encouraged.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 01:44 PM
From all our reaction to Smith leaving, I don't think anyone really overrated it too much.

How did Hixon play yesterday?

Invisible.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 01:45 PM
From all our reaction to Smith leaving, I don't think anyone really overrated it too much.

How did Hixon play yesterday?

Hixon was a JAG. I think Eli didn't complete a single pass to a WR not named Nicks or Mario until garbage time when the game was already decided.

That's how bad the situation is right now. And to make matters worse, we don't have a RB to check down to, or a TE worth a lick to act as a security blanket.

Hixon looked good on special teams though.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 01:54 PM
I think letting Hagan walk is proving to be a costly mistake. Say what you want about the guy, but Hagan made plays for us, and he was a reliable checkdown that Eli trusted.

How different would our passing attack be if we had Hagan? I think we'd have a much more successful passing game with him out there.

I'm off the Cruz bandwagon. He was a fluke. Jernigan is Sinorice Moss part 2. Barden is always hurt and won't be ready for us by week 6, and quite frankly, the way we're playing, the season might be over by then. Hixon is a JAG.

We're in trouble. I see no quick fix to this. We're kind of screwed.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 02:00 PM
Burress looking great last night felt like a punch to the gut too.

Let's get Moss dammit. Tired of this ****.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 02:02 PM
**** Burress. I hope he shoots himself again. What a **** of a human.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 02:10 PM
Btw Reese, thanks for letting Cotchery slip through our hands.

Good one.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 02:45 PM
So Nicks' knee has swollen up today....


I guess we're in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes.

BigBlueNorwegian
09-12-2011, 02:53 PM
So Nicks' knee has swollen up today....


I guess we're in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes.


Yeah, logged on to report the same thing. Not good at all. We won't be 1st overall pick-bad, but we will suck badly if we miss Nicks for an extended period of time on top of everything else.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 02:55 PM
If we're not gonna make the playoffs, I wouldn't mind sucking hard instead. It's time for a change anyway, get a new coaching staff in here, keep Reese, keep the 4-3 alignment on defense, keep Eli of course, and just start fresh.

We don't need many changes, but I think it's time we start fresh. Look for a stud WR or TE in the draft and go from there. We probably can get better value going stud WR in the 1st and LB in the 2nd if we have a top 8 pick.

LTgiants
09-12-2011, 03:01 PM
MikeGarafolo Mike Garafolo
Source concurs Nicks is fine. "Bone bruise at worst." #nyg

BigBlueNorwegian
09-12-2011, 03:03 PM
If we're not gonna make the playoffs, I wouldn't mind sucking hard instead. It's time for a change anyway, get a new coaching staff in here, keep Reese, keep the 4-3 alignment on defense, keep Eli of course, and just start fresh.

We don't need many changes, but I think it's time we start fresh. Look for a stud WR or TE in the draft and go from there. We probably can get better value going stud WR in the 1st and LB in the 2nd if we have a top 8 pick.

Totally agree with you, but i'm not sure if they let Reese stay if we have a total failure of a season. It would be a crime to fire him, because a lot of this is not his fault at all.

I hope in that case, that they would let Reese stay and pick his own coaching staff, a staff that knows how to use the talent he drafts every year.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 03:03 PM
Still want Sanu lol.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 03:05 PM
Totally agree with you, but i'm not sure if they let Reese stay if we have a total failure of a season. It would be a crime to fire him, because a lot of this is not his fault at all.

I hope in that case, that they would let Reese stay and pick his own coaching staff, a staff that knows how to use the talent he drafts every year.

I would hope so too. Reese is one of the best GMs in the business, I wouldn't let him go.

I really want a defensive minded HC. We need an aggressive 4-3 guy as our next HC. That alone would solve so many problems on our team. Our defense would finally be utilized properly, and a defensive coach would be more conservative on offense, and give Eli more freedom to run things.

Plus I'm hoping it would mean we'd have a simpler offensive scheme in place as well, which would also do wonders.

It's really time for a change. I like Coughlin, he's a good coach, but we need a fresh start. We need to find the next Spagnuolo.

Rosebud
09-12-2011, 03:50 PM
I feel like he hasn't been posting as much lately so I'm sure he'll chime in sooner rather than later.

I lol'd

Well I thought Tuck would be out also but regardless I don't know why you bother with that fool.

Part boredom, part I'm having fun with him, helps vent some of the frustration from the loss and injuries, part trying to get myself into the season more since I've been the least sports interested this summer than I've been yet in my life.

Even with Tuck in there, the Redskins win and Grossman looks efficient.

The Giants' secondary sucks and will suck for probably the entire season, and Eli willl subsequently look poor for the entire season as well.

Speculation stated as fact!

Observations from a small sample season assumed to expand directly over a larger sample size AND speculation stated as fact!

Reference to previous years, tangential diatribe about our offensive system! Reference to obscure fact followed by speculation stated as fact. Cliched "need time to gel" comment followed up by patronizing remark.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 03:52 PM
MikeGarafolo Mike Garafolo
Source concurs Nicks is fine. "Bone bruise at worst." #nyg

That's what they said about Ike Davis also.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 03:52 PM
That's what they said about Ike Davis also.

Haha. I literally laughed out loud at work when I read this.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 03:53 PM
Still want Sanu lol.

Yes please. If we really want to go WR in this draft in the 1st round we're going to have plenty of options.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 03:54 PM
Haha. I literally laughed out loud at work when I read this.

Sad but true. I can't handle that again.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:03 PM
I'm betting Tuck and Nicks are going on IR.

I can taste it. It just makes sense at this point. Why not? The whole team will be on IR by week 5.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 04:05 PM
I wanted to make a gif of Sanu's sick TD catch but this will have to do for now:

http://reesenews.org/files/2011/09/100911_catch_GJC_695x400.jpg

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:09 PM
Beast.

Put him and Nicks opposite of each other, and we'll be back in business next year. Hell, draft Sanu and bring Smith back. F it, why not?

And let's get a damn running back who can catch while we're at it.

And a TE who doesn't run a 8 second 40.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 04:10 PM
Haha I'm not totally giving up on this year. There were at least a few positives. They played the run well. If Tuck and Osi come back healthy and Fewell cleans his dumb zone scheme up we can still be fine. Those are some big if's though I guess.

Rosebud
09-12-2011, 04:11 PM
Seriously guys? Over-reaction much? It's been one game after a shortened season with a bunch of young receivers in a stupidly complex offense with a new OL learning how to play together and an injury ravaged defense. If we look like **** next week and the week thereafter with no signs of progress then we can worry. But we knew these guys would need the early part of the season to gel on offense and neither Nicks or Tuck are on IR yet and Osi's not back yet. This team can still play a lot better than they did.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 04:12 PM
I think everyone is having a little fun to let some steam off from yesterday. By no means do I think the season is over as evidenced by my post above yours.

D-Unit
09-12-2011, 04:13 PM
Beast.

Put him and Nicks opposite of each other, and we'll be back in business next year. Hell, draft Sanu and bring Smith back. F it, why not?

And let's get a damn running back who can catch while we're at it.

And a TE who doesn't run a 8 second 40.
No, this is not allowed. Sorry.

I came here wondering who felt worse about yesterdays losses... Giants fans or Cowboys fans... Still don't know. But doesn't it suck?

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:13 PM
Even if we somehow salvage this season, I still want a WR.

Why not? We need playmakers on offense. It's obvious, even if Barden magically pulls a career out of his ass we still need another WR.

And a TE.

Other than LB, we shouldn't touch defense this coming draft. It should be offense, offense, and more offense.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:14 PM
Yeah I'm clinging onto hope for now. I really wish Barden was healthy. That's the x factor of our season. He'll ultimately determine our fate if it isn't sealed before he gets off the PUP.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 04:15 PM
All above is true. But this is a must win in my opinion. And you never want that scenario week 2. Yes I know we went 0-2 and almost lost week 3 when we won the Super Bowl, but 0-2 teams rarely make the playoffs. And it won't be getting any easier with our schedule.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:16 PM
No, this is not allowed. Sorry.

I came here wondering who felt worse about yesterdays losses... Giants fans or Cowboys fans... Still don't know. But doesn't it suck?

Yup...

At least you guys looked good out there vs a great team. We looked like ass vs the Redskins.

The Redskins. I know they won't suck that bad this year, but they still aren't a good team.

Plus we have an all star team on the IR roster right now.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 04:18 PM
All above is true. But this is a must win in my opinion. And you never want that scenario week 2. Yes I know we went 0-2 and almost lost week 3 when we won the Super Bowl, but 0-2 teams rarely make the playoffs. And it won't be getting any easier with our schedule.

Jackson and Amendola already confirmed as out. Tuck should be back and I believe Osi will be back Week 3. Maybe we will pull something out of our ass against the Eagles and then all of a sudden yesterday doesn't look as bad.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 04:18 PM
Plus we have an all star team on the IR roster right now.

I don't know about that, but yeah we're banged up right now.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:19 PM
I don't know about that, but yeah we're banged up right now.

I was being sarcastic.

Thomas stings though. Of all the people to get hurt, that one stings the most.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 04:21 PM
I was being sarcastic.

Thomas stings though. Of all the people to get hurt, that one stings the most.

It does. Because of the quality of the player but also the position. I feel CB is maybe the biggest drop of talent between a starter and say your 4th-6th players. QB too obviously.

Mr. Goosemahn
09-12-2011, 04:21 PM
Sorry to barge in here with a seemingly useless fantasy question, but I need help with it and trust you Giants fans.

I have a spot for DLinemen and currently have Justin Tuck. Should I keep him or swap him for JPP? JPP beasted yesterday, as far as Dlinemen go, so I was wondering if you guys knew if he'll be in a position to keep similar numbers during the season, or if Tuck will cut into his playing time, or what happens.

Who'd you get/keep?

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:24 PM
Sorry to barge in here with a seemingly useless fantasy question, but I need help with it and trust you Giants fans.

I have a spot for DLinemen and currently have Justin Tuck. Should I keep him or swap him for JPP? JPP beasted yesterday, as far as Dlinemen go, so I was wondering if you guys knew if he'll be in a position to keep similar numbers during the season, or if Tuck will cut into his playing time, or what happens.

Who'd you get/keep?

Keep Tuck. Because JPP will probably be used strictly as a 3rd down rusher once Osi comes back.

It does. Because of the quality of the player but also the position. I feel CB is maybe the biggest drop of talent between a starter and say your 4th-6th players. QB too obviously.

Yeah. Plus WR cores tend to be deeper than CB cores to begin with, so when you lose a very good CB, the domino effect is exponential having a #3 CB suddenly have to cover the other team's #2 WR which means your 4 is on their 3 etc.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 04:25 PM
Thomas was always one of the best tacklers on the team so we took a hit there as well.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 04:25 PM
I'd get JPP at least until both Osi and Tuck come back. He should have more sacks. I feel like his talents will show up more in a stat sheet than Tucks will.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:29 PM
JPP's club is scary good. He's so strong, and he's so long, when he clubs you it's like you weren't even there. He tosses people with that club move.

I really hope Fewell uses Tuck as UT and JPP as RE on nickel formations like Spags did. He did that during the PS and the results were great.

It's so simple and effective, yet nobody has done it since Spags left. I just don't get coaches sometimes. It's like they try to overthink it instead of doing what's obviously effective.

Jughead10
09-12-2011, 04:30 PM
I agree. Nothing effects a QB more like pressure right up the middle.

D-Unit
09-12-2011, 04:31 PM
Yup...

At least you guys looked good out there vs a great team. We looked like ass vs the Redskins.

The Redskins. I know they won't suck that bad this year, but they still aren't a good team.

Plus we have an all star team on the IR roster right now.
Eli is a smart QB... from what I saw, your OL wasn't doing him any favors.

You think your team will go WR high again? Nicks is a recent 1st rounder and Jernigan was a 3rd this year. I'm thankful you guys didn't bring back Plax. I think a veteran WR is more of the way to go than the draft... though I say that thinking I hope to hell you don't draft a guy like Sano. :)

As for TE, I think Beckum is finally ready to break out. Though strictly as a receiving threat. He's kind of a hybrid TE/WR. A real weapon if you can use him right.

Personally, I think it's time you guys go RB and continue to look at high caliber Tackles. I thought Will Beatty was a good pick at the time, but he's been looking pretty iffy.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 04:31 PM
No Beckum will never break out, especially for us. He needs to be cut.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:35 PM
Yeah Beckum sucks. Hard.

Beatty is ok. It was actually Diehl, Baas and McKenzie who struggled. I chalk Diehl and Baas's struggles to chemistry. McKenzie is just old. His time is probably up.

We need playmakers. I wanted us to get Sproles in the offseason bc I felt he'd be an instant upgrade to our STs plus a nice insurance to Bradshaw. So far he's looking like a great investment by NO.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 04:37 PM
I feel like when we get athletes on this team we don't know how to use them properly. Someone like Sproles would be useless this team. Coughlin and staff are way to old school to properly use the "newer" breed of player.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:40 PM
Sad but true.

God forbid we'd use the TE position. Every qb's safety valve. Except ours.

And a RB who can catch? Who needs that?

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 04:53 PM
even if we have an average season, we could easily grab Sanu at around 20 I'd say. I really believe that. and that, my friends, would be simply orgasmic. No matter what smelly forenci says.

and I was thinking this today while I sat in traffic on the stupid LX bus (BBD and Zak should know what i'm talking about). I love Coughlin, always have been a TC supporter but I think this team needs a change. Just because I feel it's getting...for lack of a better word, stale. I feel like we need a guy who will get our team riled up and get us to "punch them in the mouth" football. Not pompous ass Rex Ryan style, but a little more energy and motivation.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 04:55 PM
Classes 8am taking the bus from Busch to Douglas was always a huge kick in the balls.

Especially when you go to bed at like 3am at earliest as a college student.

I miss those days. Nowadays I'm up at 530 in the morning, go to work, go to school after work, go the gym, go to bed, then get up and go to work again.

I didn't understand how great I had it in college until it was too late. I should have enjoyed it more than I did.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 05:00 PM
I've been trying to think of coaching candidates, but I just can't think of any.

The Giants historically have went after known commodities at HC opposed to young up and comers, so I think we can throw a lot of names out the window based on that.

Plus the known commodities don't impress me. Do we really want Cowher? I don't want a 3-4 defense, not with the talent we have on our roster being strictly 4-3 talent up front, and Cowher's teams choke in the playoffs. He was Marty 2.0 until the refs giftwrapped him a SB.

The only name I can think of that fits the bill is Mike Zimmer. Parcells disciple, he's a tough guy, he's an aggressive 4-3 DC who plays a lot of man coverage, and he'll probably be less of a micromanager on offense.

The problem with him is, I've viewed Zimmer as a good DC, but not a great one. To be fair, he's never had the kind of talent we have on defense.

I don't know, it's tough.

Rosebud
09-12-2011, 05:01 PM
I've been trying to think of coaching candidates, but I just can't think of any.

The Giants historically have went after known commodities at HC opposed to young up and comers, so I think we can throw a lot of names out the window based on that.

Plus the known commodities don't impress me. Do we really want Cowher? I don't want a 3-4 defense, not with the talent we have on our roster being strictly 4-3 talent up front, and Cowher's teams choke in the playoffs. He was Marty 2.0 until the refs giftwrapped him a SB.

The only name I can think of that fits the bill is Mike Zimmer. Parcells disciple, he's a tough guy, he's an aggressive 4-3 DC who plays a lot of man coverage, and he'll probably be less of a micromanager on offense.

The problem with him is, I've viewed Zimmer as a good DC, but not a great one. To be fair, he's never had the kind of talent we have on defense.

I don't know, it's tough.

Spags or Beli *prays*

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 05:02 PM
Unless we want to give Greg Williams a chance. Williams is a great DC, but I don't know if he's a great HC.

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 05:02 PM
Jessie. Armstead.

actually, Jessie would be more helpful on the field for us at this point instead of being our HC haha

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 05:05 PM
Spags or Beli *prays*

I was crushed when Fox didn't take the year off and signed with Denver. I was really hoping he'd come back home and be our next HC.

I don't want Jeff Fischer either. Although I do like Fischer's style. He's just too average of a coach though.

But then again, I thought the same thing of Coughlin before we hired him. Fisch would bring a 4-3 defense, a nasty tough attitude, and an aggressive mentality defensively.

Plus he'd run the rock. Maybe Fischer is our guy.

Giantsfan1080
09-12-2011, 05:06 PM
Spags or Beli *prays*

Those would be my 2 but it would never happen. I think part of Belichick would love to come back here and win a SB though.

Also, I used to have to take the bus from Livingston to Douglass at 9 AM my Fr year for a math class which was absolute death.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 05:08 PM
I just realized Reese is a Tennessee native and also coached for UT.

Possible link?

bigbluedefense
09-12-2011, 05:13 PM
I like Mike Pettine, the Jets DC, but I know I'm the only one who does.

If he can bring the Rex Ryan scheme to the Giants, I'd LOVE that. Rex runs the perfect style of defense for our talent.

And the Jets aren't a true 3-4 either, they run a lot of 4 man lines. He could easily adjust to running a 4-3.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-12-2011, 08:22 PM
No, this is not allowed. Sorry.

I came here wondering who felt worse about yesterdays losses... Giants fans or Cowboys fans... Still don't know. But doesn't it suck?

Not sure... revamped OL

10 people on IR

No Tuck
No Osi
No first round pick

Inactive 3 and 4 round pick.. So basically our whole early part of the draft didn't play! LOL. 1 rounder foot, 2nd round IR, 3rd and 4th I think inactive, and basically Greg Jones played.

And our Wr Nicks is a beast! Flat out beast!

Our system on offense I am not a fan of, and funny how QBs like Ryan F. can throw for 4 TDs in that system, yet our system, Eli threw for 0 TDs. But he did run for 1!

Forenci
09-12-2011, 08:24 PM
even if we have an average season, we could easily grab Sanu at around 20 I'd say. I really believe that. and that, my friends, would be simply orgasmic. No matter what smelly forenci says.

and I was thinking this today while I sat in traffic on the stupid LX bus (BBD and Zak should know what i'm talking about). I love Coughlin, always have been a TC supporter but I think this team needs a change. Just because I feel it's getting...for lack of a better word, stale. I feel like we need a guy who will get our team riled up and get us to "punch them in the mouth" football. Not pompous ass Rex Ryan style, but a little more energy and motivation.

I love Sanu you fool!

But if we're going to suck I'd rather we try to get in the top 15 and get Blackmon. He is so damn sexy.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-12-2011, 08:29 PM
BBD,

I want offensive draft! No more defense! Unless again, someone falls to us, but we need a big time offense boast! No more project cases. Let's get some weapons and re-load this thing.

scottyboy
09-12-2011, 09:36 PM
Round 1: Sanu
Round 2: Tight End
Rounds 3-7: More Rutgers players

NY+Giants=NYG
09-12-2011, 09:49 PM
Sanu is fine, but get me more offensive players.

Rosebud
09-13-2011, 12:56 AM
Honestly. I'd love a stud LB if one's there for us. Von Miller would've been absolutely perfect for us had we been in position to draft and I don't know if that type of stud will be available for us this year, but if we got a shot at a guy like that I'd pull the trigger. I know our O could be more deadly with more weapons, but an absolute stud LB to pair with Boley would give us defense with top 3 talent, no weaknesses to exploit, the ability to take over games and an identity that no matter what happens offensively we'll have a chance to win every game.

Now after that I'd be all for spending second round pick on a weapon or even a first rounder if there's no stud LB or can't pass on faller to be had. Our O still has a lot of learning to do, the OL needs to gel and will need some more time next year when Petrus steps in and Diehl moves again to RT, our WRs need to keep growing and so I'm not willing to say the sky is falling offensively yet. McKenzie might be rusty from the short offseason, the young receivers clearly suffer from a lack of reps with Eli in this offense, Beatty will get better, Diehl will get used to playing guard again and Baas will get acclimated. In time our O can still be good with the piece on hand, even if Barden doesn't come back and play as well as he has the potential to play.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-13-2011, 11:40 AM
Our defensive picks are all made of glass it would seem. I'd rather pass on the stud LB and develop the group we have. We need offensive weapons ASAP. For once, I'd like to see us draft offensive players next year. Granted if BPA dictates defense then fine, but I want more toys on offense. It pretty much was the Eli and Nicks show on sunday.

Jughead10
09-13-2011, 11:41 AM
Our defensive picks are all made of glass it would seem. I'd rather pass on the stud LB and develop the group we have. We need offensive weapons ASAP. For once, I'd like to see us draft offensive players next year. Granted if BPA dictates defense then fine, but I want more toys on offense. It pretty much was the Eli and Nicks show on sunday.

Relax Mike Martz. I think we are all aware of your desire for offensive draft picks.

Rosebud
09-13-2011, 11:49 AM
Our defensive picks are all made of glass it would seem. I'd rather pass on the stud LB and develop the group we have. We need offensive weapons ASAP. For once, I'd like to see us draft offensive players next year. Granted if BPA dictates defense then fine, but I want more toys on offense. It pretty much was the Eli and Nicks show on sunday.

But the draft is a long time away. Once the OL gels we'll be running the ball a lot better and more often, with time Mario can get back to playing really well and we still don't know for sure that no one's going to step into the 3rd WR role and play well. Hell Barden could still come back and give us that high caliber troika of receivers. I'm not opposed to getting another weapon, but that doesn't mean I've already given up on the guys we do have after one game coming off of a shortened offseason.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-13-2011, 11:50 AM
Relax Mike Martz. I think we are all aware of your desire for offensive draft picks.

He and the Bears offense did a number on the Falcons. So not sure that would be a bad thing at this point.

I wouldn't mind defensive players if it wasn't every god damn year.


And when we do draft offensive players they are all inactive, lol. Where are we going to get production from this year's draft? It's almost as if we didn't have a draft this year.

1st rounder = out
2nd rounder IR
3rd rounder = inactive
4th rounder = Inactive
6th rounder = starting
6th rounder = special teams
6th rounder = special teams or inactive
7th rounder = inactive.


That's a pretty miserable return on investment early on.