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WiSeIVIaN
02-13-2011, 01:55 PM
This draft seems to be chucked full of more athletic QB's with strong arms than perhaps any draft in history.

As such, how fast do you think guys like Gabbart, Newton, Locker, Kaepernick are? Predict as many as you want, but those seem to be the big-4 athletes with arm strength.

the natural
02-13-2011, 02:02 PM
Locker - 4.5
Gabbert - 4.55
Kaepernikc - 4.6
Newton - NA DNP

BeerBaron
02-13-2011, 02:06 PM
If history teaches us anything, especially these last few years it seems, it would be that most players with high expectations fail to live up to them in the 40. Guys in years past who people think will tear it up come in like .2 slower than thought....not sure why, but it seems to be the case.

Given that, I think Locker and Kaepernick will run high 4.5s or low 4.6s, with Gabbert around a 4.7. Newton probably won't run at the combine, but if he does at his pro day, I expect it to be in the 4.5 range. He does have ridiculous burst though, so he'd probably be faster over a shorter course.

shylo3716
02-13-2011, 03:56 PM
Tyrod Taylor may or may not have the fastest 40 time but I'm quite sure he will beat everyone in the agility test.

4.53 40 for Tyrod im projecting

Caulibflower
02-13-2011, 04:27 PM
Didn't Vince Young run a 4.67 or something? I remember lots of people thought he was going to run a 4.4.

BeerBaron
02-13-2011, 04:29 PM
Didn't Vince Young run a 4.67 or something? I remember lots of people thought he was going to run a 4.4.

This is what I referencing in my earlier post. Players always seem to time significantly slower than many would project. We'll see like all-world track athletes show up at the combine and run like 4.45 after being projected in the 4.2s or something...

WiSeIVIaN
02-13-2011, 04:46 PM
Didn't Vince Young run a 4.67 or something? I remember lots of people thought he was going to run a 4.4.

4.58 fwiw.

Caulibflower
02-13-2011, 05:24 PM
I'm pretty sure the 4.58 is from his pro day. Not that it really matters. I just remember people thinking that his times were significantly slower than what you'd expect for such a prolific runner. There were a number of less-accomplished quarterbacks in the same draft who ran faster than he did. Like... 5 or 6. But VY was definitely the best runner in that QB class. Similarly, I kinda expect Jake Locker to run faster than Cam Newton, but Newton is still the better open-field runner by far, Locker's freshman season notwithstanding.

Day One Pick
02-13-2011, 06:57 PM
Colin Kaepernick - 4.48

Tyrod Taylor - 4.56

Cam Newton - 4.62

Jake Locker - 4.66

Blaine Gabbert - 4.74

ATLDirtyBirds
02-13-2011, 07:02 PM
Kaepernick: 4.47

Cam: 4.55

Locker: 4.62

Gabbert: 4.82

SolidGold
02-13-2011, 07:20 PM
Im just interested to see if those rumors of Locker running in the 4.3s are true. Other than that QB 40 Times are only useful for Madden Ratings

BamaFalcon59
02-13-2011, 07:22 PM
Kaepernick: 4.58

Cam: 4.55

Locker: 4.51

Gabbert: 4.71

Tyrod: 4.54

Caulibflower
02-13-2011, 07:56 PM
At any rate:

Tyrod Taylor: 4.48

Jake Locker: 4.52

Colin Kaepernick: 4.58

Cam Newton: 4.62

Blaine Gabbert: 4.79

Ryan Mallett: 5.64

REDSKINSWARRIOR82
02-14-2011, 10:26 PM
Tyrod Taylor: 4.55

Jake Locker: 4.67

Colin Kaepernick: 4.51

Cam Newton: 4.50

Blaine Gabbert: 4.88

Ryan Mallett: 5.41

BuddyCHRIST
02-14-2011, 11:44 PM
No Ponder mentions? I wouldn't be surprised to see him run a sub 4.7, and if nothing else post an outstanding cone time. I think he had the fastest cone time on FSU's team.

And unless Locker has great track form, I don't think he'll run a sub 4.6, atleast he doesnt look thaat fast to me on the field. DOn't see him running by people that much.

Babylon
02-15-2011, 12:03 AM
Im just interested to see if those rumors of Locker running in the 4.3s are true. Other than that QB 40 Times are only useful for Madden Ratings

The 4.3 rumors for Locker are bogus and even he'd admit to that. I expect he should run some number that starts with 4.5...

Caulibflower
02-15-2011, 12:48 AM
I think 4.7 is probably about where Ponder will run. And fwiw, I was kidding about Mallett running a 5.6... I think.

AS11toFG21
02-15-2011, 01:01 AM
Newton - NA DNP

Racist....

the natural
02-15-2011, 01:40 AM
Racist....
You think that Newton will run at the Combine? Sure doesn't sound like it so far.

batman15
02-15-2011, 03:13 PM
Mallett-5.27

Lol.

brasho
02-15-2011, 05:21 PM
I think Mallet is more athletic than people give him credit for. I expect between 5.0-5.2, which is still slow, but will be no 5.4 or 5.6... 6.8.

the natural
02-18-2011, 11:51 PM
No Ponder mentions? I wouldn't be surprised to see him run a sub 4.7, and if nothing else post an outstanding cone time. I think he had the fastest cone time on FSU's team.

And unless Locker has great track form, I don't think he'll run a sub 4.6, atleast he doesnt look thaat fast to me on the field. DOn't see him running by people that much.

There is a website out there devoted to combine tests and times. The 40 times for certain guys are changing in the space of a week or so. I think they're getting the numbers live from the training centers. Not for all prospects, but some. Gabbert has been down at 4.51 and 4.58. Ponder 4.68 and 4.62 over the past week or so. fwtw.

Caulibflower
02-18-2011, 11:53 PM
There is a website out there devoted to combine tests and times. The 40 times for certain guys are changing in the space of a week or so. I think they're getting the numbers live from the training centers. Not for all prospects, but some. Gabbert has been down at 4.51 and 4.58. Ponder 4.68 and 4.62 over the past week or so. fwtw.

...link?





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the natural
02-19-2011, 12:05 AM
...link?





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It's just called 40-yard-dash-times or something like that. I just ran across it googling 40 times.

DenverFan1974
02-19-2011, 12:35 AM
Newton - 4.55
Locker - 4.51
Kaepernick - 4.46
Gabbert - 4.7
Mallet - 5.02
Ponder - 4.6
Dalton - 4.7
Taylor - 4.49
Devlin - 4.9

LizardState
02-19-2011, 09:44 AM
Kaepernikc - 4.6

6 posts later.....

Kaepernick - 4.46

He's getting faster by the hr!

BUt seriously folks, the same Nevada Wolfpack has a DE/OLB named Dontay Moch who's faster than the proverbial speeding bullet, chk out that 40 time, 4.25

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75935&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

Also 22 TFLs, & 8.5 sacks.

Tom Servo
02-19-2011, 10:08 AM
I only saw Mizzou play once this yr. but Gabbert didn't strike me as being that athletic. I'm surprised at these predictions for him.

Locker will definitely be under 4.6

RealityCheck
02-19-2011, 10:28 AM
Kaepernick - 4.50
Taylor - 4.55
Locker - 4.62
Ponder - 4.62
Newton - 4.63
Dalton - 4.68
Gabbert - 4.71
Mallett - 4.82

Babylon
02-19-2011, 11:45 AM
Kaepernick - 4.50
Taylor - 4.55
Locker - 4.62
Ponder - 4.62
Newton - 4.63
Dalton - 4.68
Gabbert - 4.71
Mallett - 4.82

Watching these 3 play i'd say one of those predictions is off base.

RealityCheck
02-19-2011, 12:00 PM
I don't see Newton going under 4.6. Just like Tebow last year.

fenikz
02-19-2011, 12:02 PM
I don't see Newton running.

ViperVisor
02-19-2011, 12:19 PM
Trent Dilfer through the grapevine said Gabbert could run in the 4.5s

That could be just his best time with some variable help and is relayed to someone like Dilfer cause it is a wow and gets his name out there.

He did run in the 4.6s back as a recruit.

the natural
02-19-2011, 12:28 PM
I don't see Newton running.
Agreed. Why ruin the myth?

the natural
02-19-2011, 12:31 PM
Trent Dilfer through the grapevine said Gabbert could run in the 4.5s

That could be just his best time with some variable help and is relayed to someone like Dilfer cause it is a wow and gets his name out there.

He did run in the 4.6s back as a recruit.

Pretty sure Gabbert was running under 4.6 in Phoenix. Whether he can do that in Indy remains to be seen. I think he beats every QB except Locker or some little guys.

jrdrylie
02-19-2011, 12:37 PM
Kaepernick- 4.42
Locker- 4.49
Taylor- 4.52
Cam Newton- 4.62
Gabbert- 4.68
Ponder- 4.71
Dalton- 4.78
Mallett- 13.8 (he'll have to stop in the middle to take a shot of whiskey)

fenikz
02-19-2011, 12:42 PM
Pretty sure Gabbert was running under 4.6 in Phoenix. Whether he can do that in Indy remains to be seen. I think he beats every QB except Locker or some little guys.

Fields are pretty fast in Arizona but I could see it

Babylon
02-19-2011, 12:49 PM
Kaepernick- 4.42
Locker- 4.49
Taylor- 4.52
Cam Newton- 4.62
Gabbert- 4.68
Ponder- 4.71
Dalton- 4.78
Mallett- 13.8 (he'll have to stop in the middle to take a shot of whiskey)

I just choked on my Latte.

descendency
02-19-2011, 02:08 PM
I have a feeling Newton will run in the 4.5s and run the fastest 20 yard SS in the history of the combine for any QB.

OSUGiants17
02-19-2011, 05:21 PM
I just choked on my Latte.

http://mseewv.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/man-card.jpg

Babylon
02-19-2011, 05:57 PM
http://mseewv.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/man-card.jpg

Yeah but it was a double shot.

RealityCheck
02-20-2011, 09:54 AM
If Newton doesn't run, he will officially become my least favorite football player ever.

Babylon
02-20-2011, 11:51 AM
If Newton doesn't run, he will officially become my least favorite football player ever.

I don't expect he will run, probably will wait for Auburn's pro day. In his defense he probably has nothing to gain by running.

RealityCheck
02-20-2011, 12:27 PM
Exactly. If he does a 4.75 or something he'll fall bad.

thenewfeature06
02-20-2011, 12:41 PM
Not sure if serious RC lol

RealityCheck
02-20-2011, 12:47 PM
Yeah, Newton will run a 7.8 and still be a Top 5 pick because he won the National Championship, for God's sake.

thenewfeature06
02-20-2011, 12:52 PM
Hey you calm down. :(

QB class SEEMS to be weak. Who the **** cares if he runs a 4.7?

The only QB's to take the NFL by storm with there feet were Vick more so in the ATL days, and the Steve Young who was great at both. I still am a little worried how he will pan out, but depends on his situation.

Babylon
02-20-2011, 12:55 PM
Yeah, Newton will run a 7.8 and still be a Top 5 pick because he won the National Championship, for God's sake.

I think there are enough things in his game to question without bringning up his speed, which is elite for a QB. He could stop and grab someone's laptop and still finish in less than 7.8

DenverFan1974
02-21-2011, 02:04 AM
I think there are enough things in his game to question without bringning up his speed, which is elite for a QB. He could stop and grab someone's laptop and still finish in less than 7.8

Love it! The 40 seems a bit over-hyped for QBs but then again a lot of NFL teams are turning to unique offensive sets part of the time so maybe speed is important. In any case, I'd rather have a quick QB that has pocket presence, can dance side-to-side, back and forward than a guy that can run 7 yards into a 255 lb linebacker doing a 4.5 40. Not too many guys going to last too long if they have to run for first downs in the NFL no matter how big the guy is.

Caulibflower
02-21-2011, 03:41 AM
Love it! The 40 seems a bit over-hyped for QBs but then again a lot of NFL teams are turning to unique offensive sets part of the time so maybe speed is important. In any case, I'd rather have a quick QB that has pocket presence, can dance side-to-side, back and forward than a guy that can run 7 yards into a 255 lb linebacker doing a 4.5 40. Not too many guys going to last too long if they have to run for first downs in the NFL no matter how big the guy is.

Or, like Josh Freeman, you could become invaluable to your team by extending plays and converting 42% of your 68 runs for first downs. And Newton is faster than Freeman. And Freeman wasn't taking shots and getting hurt, he was taking the open grass defenses gave him and helping his team win. Newton will be able to take more open field than Freeman, and that's going to help whichever teams drafts him in a big way. I can understand people having a preference for a pocket passer, but acting as though the ability to run and having a pocket awareness are mutually exclusive traits is really unfounded, and again people are somehow trying to fault great athletes for being great athletes. You really don't think Newton can be quick and "dance side-to-side?" Have you watched him? He can do both. Who says that if he runs he has to run straight into a linebacker? You're acting like his ability to pull away from Patrick Peterson in the open field somehow means that he won't be able to evade the rush as well. And a quarterback who can pick up critical first downs with his legs, provided he's an adequate passer, will last long in the NFL. ****, punters get career-ending injuries without even being hit. It's a contact sport. Guys who weigh 260 generally do pretty well.

Halsey
02-21-2011, 08:01 AM
AJ Green: 4.42

Justin Houston: 4.8

Cam Newton: 4.55

DenverFan1974
02-21-2011, 11:01 AM
Or, like Josh Freeman, you could become invaluable to your team by extending plays and converting 42% of your 68 runs for first downs. And Newton is faster than Freeman. And Freeman wasn't taking shots and getting hurt, he was taking the open grass defenses gave him and helping his team win. Newton will be able to take more open field than Freeman, and that's going to help whichever teams drafts him in a big way. I can understand people having a preference for a pocket passer, but acting as though the ability to run and having a pocket awareness are mutually exclusive traits is really unfounded, and again people are somehow trying to fault great athletes for being great athletes. You really don't think Newton can be quick and "dance side-to-side?" Have you watched him? He can do both. Who says that if he runs he has to run straight into a linebacker? You're acting like his ability to pull away from Patrick Peterson in the open field somehow means that he won't be able to evade the rush as well. And a quarterback who can pick up critical first downs with his legs, provided he's an adequate passer, will last long in the NFL. ****, punters get career-ending injuries without even being hit. It's a contact sport. Guys who weigh 260 generally do pretty well.

I'm a Kaepernick guy so you don't need to sell me on the virtues of a running QB but I do have to say that having your QB run often in the NFL (no matter his size) is asking for an injury. If you can have both a quick and fast QB then I think you're in good shape but if he can't play out of the pocket, make reads and go through his progressions all the size and speed in the world isn't going to make him a great QB.

the natural
02-21-2011, 12:16 PM
Or, like Josh Freeman, you could become invaluable to your team by extending plays and converting 42% of your 68 runs for first downs. And Newton is faster than Freeman.

The only confirmed 40 time I found for Newton was 4.75 at the Scout Combine. Freeman ran 4.68 at the same event a year earlier. They were about the same size then and now.

Babylon
02-21-2011, 01:17 PM
The only confirmed 40 time I found for Newton was 4.75 at the Scout Combine. Freeman ran 4.68 at the same event a year earlier. They were about the same size then and now.

To be quoting highschool 40 times is really not going to do much for anyone's credibility.

the natural
02-21-2011, 01:39 PM
To be quoting highschool 40 times is really not going to do much for anyone's credibility.

Yeah, I suppose some guys get faster as they get older and heavier, while others get slower. Funny how that is.