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SimonRath
02-15-2011, 09:51 AM
I've been contemplating it for some time now, I was jus wondering if any of you guys were in the military and how you liked it?

diabsoule
02-15-2011, 10:06 AM
there are a couple of guys that were previously in/still are in the military that will be helpful to talk to.

I will be joining this year. I talked to a recruiter just a few days ago and once I lose 40lbs I can be in. That's not a difficult task and one that I started tackling immediately upon talking to him.

I guess some initial information would be: How in shape are you? Do you have a college degree? Why are you wanting to join? Etc...

SimonRath
02-15-2011, 10:07 AM
there are a couple of guys that were previously in/still are in the military that will be helpful to talk to.

I will be joining this year. I talked to a recruiter just a few days ago and once I lose 40lbs I can be in. That's not a difficult task and one that I started tackling immediately upon talking to him.

I guess some initial information would be: How in shape are you? Do you have a college degree? Why are you wanting to join? Etc...

im 5'10" 175lbs and in pretty good shape. not amazing, but good enough.
no college degree.
and i wanna join cause i think its a good career opportunity

Don Vito
02-15-2011, 10:14 AM
It isn't as bad of an option as a lot of people make it out to be. There aren't too many jobs out there and although it isn't a huge moneymaker, you have a decent steady income with few expenses if you use your money wisely. A lot of people today are joining after college and military experience looks very good to employers, it is actually something I am considering when I graduate from Ole Miss in December.

SimonRath
02-15-2011, 10:16 AM
It isn't as bad of an option as a lot of people make it out to be. There aren't too many jobs out there and although it isn't a huge moneymaker, you have a decent steady income with few expenses if you use your money wisely. A lot of people today are joining after college and military experience looks very good to employers, it is actually something I am considering when I graduate from Ole Miss in December.

the fact it is a steady income is very nice to me, I work full time at Whole Foods and like 90% of my money goes towards bills so it's been very stressful.

diabsoule
02-15-2011, 10:21 AM
im 5'10" 175lbs and in pretty good shape. not amazing, but good enough.
no college degree.
and i wanna join cause i think its a good career opportunity

It's a great career opportunity and it's something I encourage people to try. Joining has been a goal of mine for a few years now and this year I will make it a reality. There is just too much opportunity to pass up and once you finish your enlistment you'll have marketable job skills and being in the service looks amazing on a resume.

Halsey
02-15-2011, 10:31 AM
I did 6 years in the Navy, working in the submarine force. I'm very glad I did it. There were a lot of crappy days, but there were also good days and many interesting experiences. The pay is pretty good in the sub force, as far as military jobs go. I used the MGI Bill to help me pay for school after I got out. Really glad I did it.

If you're going to join the military, I highly recommend using the educational options available. Invest into the GI Bill and take classes while in the military, if you ever have time.

Babylon
02-15-2011, 10:40 AM
As much as you'll question it going through when you look back it will be one of the better experiences you'll ever have.

Brent
02-15-2011, 11:36 AM
SuperKevin needs to return from the abyss and contribute to this. He was pretty darn knowledgeable considering he's still enlisted.

Vikes99ej
02-15-2011, 11:54 AM
I'm not 100% positive, but I think Ironman and senormysterio have military experience. CJ, too.

FlyingElvis
02-15-2011, 11:55 AM
Definitely take advantage of the education opportunities they make available. ROTC has done great things for some friends of mine. One in particular who got an undergrad from Notre Dame and then a post grad law degree. Spend some time on the beaches of Iraq for her trouble, but that's the life you're signing up for.

Babylon
02-15-2011, 02:57 PM
I'm not 100% positive, but I think Ironman and senormysterio have military experience. CJ, too.

4 years in the Army, two in Nam. Dont know if that's experience or just stupidity.

CJSchneider
02-15-2011, 03:15 PM
You will never get a better chance to better your education at a better price than joining the military. Because of the Montgomery/G.I. Bill, I was able to not have to work and focus on studies my first 3 years of school. If enlistment is your goal, go in with a purpose. Seek to enlist in an MOS (military word for "job") that you will not only enjoy but that will aid you in the real world after your service is over, even if that happens to be acquiring leadership skills.
If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

Nalej
02-15-2011, 03:23 PM
I've been in the Navy eight years and am still active.
I got selected for a commissioning program now so I get paid to go to school full time.
I use the GI Bill to pay for tuition and get a paycheck every two weeks. Pretty good deal.

I qualified to work on subs but did my tours on carriers though.
My suggestion would be, make sure you get a job you'd like doing.
Start running 3 miles a couple times a week.
Also, definitely use that GI Bill if you can.
Not much time to use it while you're active duty so probably afterwards.

RaiderNation
02-15-2011, 03:55 PM
Ive always told myself that if I have nothing going for me by age 24 or 25 you might as well join the military.

diabsoule
02-15-2011, 06:02 PM
My likely MOS will be in intelligence or something dealing with computers since the recruiters all told me that I can handpick my "job" due to how high I scored on the ASVAB and that I already have a college degree.

I'm very excited about joining. Last time I went into the recruiters office they told me I need to drop 8.5" from my waist. I have lost 1.5" in about 3 weeks and will drop more once I get on the weight loss supplement that I'll be getting next week. I'm looking to join in 3-5 months.

Nalej
02-15-2011, 06:12 PM
My likely MOS will be in intelligence or something dealing with computers since the recruiters all told me that I can handpick my "job" due to how high I scored on the ASVAB and that I already have a college degree.

I'm very excited about joining. Last time I went into the recruiters office they told me I need to drop 8.5" from my waist. I have lost 1.5" in about 3 weeks and will drop more once I get on the weight loss supplement that I'll be getting next week. I'm looking to join in 3-5 months.

Are you going commissioned?
The pay is waaaayyyyyy better

diabsoule
02-15-2011, 06:21 PM
Are you going commissioned?
The pay is waaaayyyyyy better

That's the plan. I plan on making it a career

Nalej
02-15-2011, 06:26 PM
Just making sure, I know a lot of enlisted fellas that had degrees.
The recruiters were just busy about their quota and never told them they could be commissioned.
It's actually pretty sad. I have a couple of friends (Navy, like I) that are in the Intelligence field.
Alot of picture scanning, briefs, briefs and briefs lol

Nalej
02-15-2011, 06:43 PM
What's your "field"...?

Nalej
02-15-2011, 07:10 PM
Eh, as far as the sales and support... maybe Supply?
Supply Officers have the most cake job (at least in the Navy)
Not really sell but whenever anyone needs anything, they're in charge of ordering it.
As an officer, you wouldn't be doing any of that, just making sure that department is on top of its ****.
That's sales-ish and support. No real programming...

UNLESS... you want to be a Crypto...
Those dudes are the computer geniuses who hack and do all that top secret ish I little knowledge about.
Again though, I know little about programming
(I'M STUGGLING SO HARD WITH MATLAB IN SCHOOL RIGHT NOW!!!)
so don't know if programming = computer genius lol

As for Supply guys, I also heard after one tour (2 yrs?), they get sent to Harvard to get their masters in business something on the navy's dime.
Pretty sweet deal.

It's hard to get into the field though... bc it's pretty cake and awesome

dabears10
02-15-2011, 07:17 PM
i'm intrigued* by the idea that it looks good on resumes. i'd imagine there are *some* fields where that's true, but it would be completely irrelevant in mine, for instance. (and anecdotally, it hasn't done a good friend any good whatsoever. he's actually been turned down for jobs because employers figured it was likely he'd end up back in the ME in the near future).

* - but seriously, not snarkily.

Basically it seems employers really love it at managerial positions. People feel that if the person went through the military they are likely organized understand 'chain of command' and how to be a leader. None of these are obviously automatically truthful, but it is how it shows on a resume.

senormysterioso
02-15-2011, 07:18 PM
I love it. I've been in the Army for 6 years and it's the best decision I've ever made in my life. I've been a Civil Affairs specialist the whole time, but after I get back from the mission we have in Afghanistan I'm going to packet for selection into Special Forces.

If you're planning on using the Military for job experience and educational benefits, don't get too wrapped around the axle trying to be a bad ass. Trust me, nobody in the real world cares that I can shoot expert on my M4, or that I can jump out of planes, or that I'm level 3 certified in combatives, or any of that happy hooah stuff. The stuff that looks good on my resume is the medical training, leadership schools, and civilian certs that I've gotten.

senormysterioso
02-15-2011, 08:43 PM
I think a lot of people have this misconception that as soon as somebody joins the military they automatically turn into this high speed, squared away superman. The military is just like any other organization, there are good soldiers, average soldiers, and complete dirt bags. If a turd comes into an interview for a position who happens to have military experience, employers are not going to ignore the fact that the dude is a turd.

Babylon
02-15-2011, 08:56 PM
I love it. I've been in the Army for 6 years and it's the best decision I've ever made in my life. I've been a Civil Affairs specialist the whole time, but after I get back from the mission we have in Afghanistan I'm going to packet for selection into Special Forces.

If you're planning on using the Military for job experience and educational benefits, don't get too wrapped around the axle trying to be a bad ass. Trust me, nobody in the real world cares that I can shoot expert on my M4, or that I can jump out of planes, or that I'm level 3 certified in combatives, or any of that happy hooah stuff. The stuff that looks good on my resume is the medical training, leadership schools, and civilian certs that I've gotten.

Totally agree. I put down on a job application once that i was 11 bravo in the Army and the interviewer said the next time we get invaded by the Viet Cong i'll keep you in mind.

terribletowel39
02-15-2011, 09:02 PM
Any of you have any families?? How hard is that to work around?? My step-son was sworn in today (air force). And ever since he has started talking about joining, it has caught my interest.

TitanHope
02-15-2011, 09:20 PM
Totally agree. I put down on a job application once that i was 11 bravo in the Army and the interviewer said the next time we get invaded by the Viet Cong i'll keep you in mind.

Did you end up Seagal-ing him?

CJSchneider
02-15-2011, 09:43 PM
Any of you have any families?? How hard is that to work around?? My step-son was sworn in today (air force). And ever since he has started talking about joining, it has caught my interest.

Tell Hunter I said congratulations (since you never ******* call anymore). The divorce rate in the military is actually the same as non-military. Not what you would think. Deployments can be tough, but I think it all boils down to the strength of the relationship in the first place.

terribletowel39
02-15-2011, 09:50 PM
Tell Hunter I said congratulations (since you never ******* call anymore). The divorce rate in the military is actually the same as non-military. Not what you would think. Deployments can be tough, but I think it all boils down to the strength of the relationship in the first place.
Man, I haven't gotten any rep lately. Just Kaeding!! I keep forgetting. :) haha

I'm not worried about divorce or anything. You know we have a strong enough relationship. I don't really know what I was asking about. I guess experiences. Moving from place to place. Things like that.

And I will. When I speak to him on some Sunday. He is already off to his 8 weeks. Only gets an hr on Sunday on the phone.

proshoota25
02-16-2011, 12:24 AM
if i cant find a job once i graduate in may.... im thinking trying to become an officer in the air force or navy. id be going in the meteorology field.... and would great on resumes after i was done with the military.. but ive been told if im gunna be an officer, that i might as well do it for like 15-20 years.... decisions,decisions

Shahin
02-16-2011, 04:33 AM
going to commission as soon as i get my degree. army.

CJSchneider
02-16-2011, 05:42 AM
With a commission, you are required to serve a minimum of eight years regardless. For most services, promotion bottle necks after 0-3 (Captain in the Army, Air Force and Marines; Lieutenant Senior Grade in the Navy). Most have decided at 7 years if they are going to pursue 0-4 or get out.

Nalej
02-16-2011, 06:18 AM
With a commission, you are required to serve a minimum of eight years regardless. For most services, promotion bottle necks after 0-3 (Captain in the Army, Air Force and Marines; Lieutenant Senior Grade in the Navy). Most have decided at 7 years if they are going to pursue 0-4 or get out.

Not trying to sound like a prick but it's just called Lieutenant.
0-2 though, is the one that's referred to as Lieutenant Junior Grade.

As far as military families. I've been in eight and been married three.
My wife met me right after my last deployment so she's never experienced a deployment
but she's dealt with the moving and the ****** hours so far and our marriage is still strong.

As far as divorces, I can't speak for the entire military but where I worked- I think the divorce rate was 75% it seemed like.
When you're at work 36 out of ever 48 hrs, some relationships just crumble.
I googled the military divorce rate of 2010 and it was just slightly higher than the civilian rate (3.6 > 3.4) with it platueing after a steady increase the last couple of years due to Operation Iraqi/Enduring Freedom.
So the marriage rate is even with the civilians just about.
A strong relationship is needed to make it through but honestly, who would have gotten married if they didn't think they were in a strong enough relationship in the first place?

I think I'm lucky due to the fact that my wife served in the Air Force and was an army brat growing up so all the moving and hours and (name it), she's accostumed to it all already. I feel like I'm cheating picking a wife already trained up on military life lol

senormysterioso
02-16-2011, 08:45 AM
It makes me sad that there are so many future officers on here.

Nalej
02-16-2011, 10:56 AM
lol, why is that?
Still bitter about them during your tour?

senormysterioso
02-16-2011, 11:25 AM
lol, why is that?
Still bitter about them during your tour?

In special operations most officers are a bunch of do-nothing asshats that are more interested in getting ribbons and badges on their class-a's than doing actual work. There was a SF captain that we went out with in Sadr City that basically just wanted us to drive around on our first mission outside the wire until we got shot at so he could put in for his CAB.

MetSox17
02-16-2011, 11:27 AM
A friend of mine was a firefighter in the AF (i believe) and said it was one of the most jackoff jobs in the military. Once he came out he got a 50k job as a firefighter in a city close by since he already had all the certifications needed.

diabsoule
02-16-2011, 02:06 PM
In special operations most officers are a bunch of do-nothing asshats that are more interested in getting ribbons and badges on their class-a's than doing actual work. There was a SF captain that we went out with in Sadr City that basically just wanted us to drive around on our first mission outside the wire until we got shot at so he could put in for his CAB.

That's just ******. I know this isn't the same thing at all but I have read several military leadership books, most notably Fick's One Bullet Away and Winter's Beyond Band of Brothers, that explains exactly what's needed in a successful officer in the military. Rely heavily on the NCO's, listen to your sergeants, and don't do anything stupid (easier said than done, I guess).

I feel that that by going in being older (28) and going officer will give me a certain maturity over younger officer that are yearning for promotions. An officer is someone that should strive to be someone that will simply do what it takes to accomplish the mission and bring his platoon, company, what-have-you home safely with as few casualties as possible .

senormysterioso
02-16-2011, 02:19 PM
That's just ******. I know this isn't the same thing at all but I have read several military leadership books, most notably Fick's One Bullet Away and Winter's Beyond Band of Brothers, that explains exactly what's needed in a successful officer in the military. Rely heavily on the NCO's, listen to your sergeants, and don't do anything stupid (easier said than done, I guess).

I feel that that by going in being older (28) and going officer will give me a certain maturity over younger officer that are yearning for promotions. An officer is someone that should strive to be someone that will simply do what it takes to accomplish the mission and bring his platoon, company, what-have-you home safely with as few casualties as possible .

Personally, I think former NCOs make the best officers. The guys that have been there and done that just get it whereas the ROTC scumbags and direct commissions tend to rely on tradoc and OBLC stuff. It sounds like you've got the right attitude. The NCO corps is the backbone of the Army. A good officer tells his NCOs what needs to be done, supports them however he can, and most importantly gets the hell out of the way and let's them complete their task in the best way that they know how. The other advice that I will give you is be man enough to take an ass-chewing. Don't throw anybody under the bus to save your own skin and stick your neck out for good soldiers. When I say support your NCO's however you can, that might mean going infront of a field grade officer and telling him he's ****** up.

Nalej
02-16-2011, 07:05 PM
Pretty much, I was a NCO for 8 years and I agree with everything you said.
I decided to go commissioned bc I saw how life was night and day under the
leadership of a good officer and and a terrible one.

I'm navy so I have no field experience. I worked as a nuke mechanic in the
reactor powered propulsion plants down at the bottom of the air craft carriers.
130 degree, steam filled air for 12 hours a day of rotating shift work (pretty much)
I've seen many people get discharged medically due to psychological problems bc they couldn't handle the grind.
The job is brutal enough, but when the officer you work for is worthless, it can be damn near unbearable.

I'm taking the lessons I've learned as a NCO with me.
Best lesson I've learned is... as an officer, you're either an umbrella or a magnifying glass.
There will always be **** and that **** will always roll downhill onto you (the officer).
You can either protect your division or you can let the **** continue rolling down hill.
All the good ones are umbrellas.
(Of course, this is if you division is doing what it's suppose to be doing and you know the **** is unwarranted)

andyjo672
02-16-2011, 07:23 PM
I've got some buddies here at Michigan's MBA program (one of the top in the country) that came from the military. It's a great "non-traditional" background for MBA programs but it's definitely not an automatic in like one poster mentioned about Harvard. You still need the high GMAT score and a story about how your previous service could help you transition, as well as a strong academic pedigree from a reputable undergrad. However, I agree that it is terrific experience and provides terrific opportunities as well as a noble contribution to society that you don't get bagging groceries at Whole Foods.

CJSchneider
02-17-2011, 12:46 PM
I was sooooooooooooo looking forward to showing up to my first duty station as an officer in my dress blues with my PLDC ribbon. ROTC butter-bars get their asses handed to them.

GoRavens
02-17-2011, 01:45 PM
I never suggest anyone join the military.
You have no voice, you become another soldier.
No soldier has any clue what he's fighting for.
You fight some fat rich man's battles, so they get richer.
Military will end the world

SimonRath
02-17-2011, 02:59 PM
I never suggest anyone join the military.
You have no voice, you become another soldier.
No soldier has any clue what he's fighting for.
You fight some fat rich man's battles, so they get richer.
Military will end the world

woooooooooooow..

CJSchneider
02-17-2011, 03:23 PM
I never suggest anyone join the military.
You have no voice, you become another soldier.
No soldier has any clue what he's fighting for.
You fight some fat rich man's battles, so they get richer.
Military will end the world

You can thank me for defending your 1st ammendment right to say that via your payment to my PayPal account.

diabsoule
02-17-2011, 04:26 PM
I never suggest anyone join the military.
You have no voice, you become another soldier.
No soldier has any clue what he's fighting for.
You fight some fat rich man's battles, so they get richer.
Military will end the world

How old are you?

someone447
02-17-2011, 05:15 PM
You can thank me for defending your 1st ammendment right to say that via your payment to my PayPal account.

I have the utmost respect for our soldiers. The vast majority of them join for the right reasons. The vast majority of them want to better the world. It is something that I know I could not do. I will shake the hand of any soldier I meet and thank them for the sacrifices they have made. However, I would go to any politician who has sent our soldiers into harms way simply to enrich themselves and their golfing buddies to go **** themselves.

However, I do not respect the military apparatus. I believe the places our military is sent does very little to help mankind. We ignore those places where genocide is happening so we can enrich the richest members of our society. Our military is run by those people who care nothing for anyone except themselves. They play politics in order to accumulate as much power as possible for themselves.

Really, truly think about the sacrifices you will be making if you join the military. Is having a good resume worth the PTSD, the time away from family, the necessary dissolution of self, and the very real possibility of lifelong injury? If you answer yes to all those, then by all means do it. But it is not something to enter into lightly, it is not something to enter into just because you don't know what else to do. It is only something to do if you truly want to do it.

Ravens was right about one thing: war is always to enrich the already rich. Every war in history has had some concept of "Rich man's war, poor man's fight." Each soldier has a different reason for fighting--but the reason the soldiers are in any given combat zone is always the same--money.

niel89
02-17-2011, 05:28 PM
I never suggest anyone join the military.
You have no voice, you become another soldier.
No soldier has any clue what he's fighting for.
You fight some fat rich man's battles, so they get richer.
Military will end the world

I never suggest you call out the military around military people.
You have no right, you sound like another ****.
You have no clue what individuals are fighting for.
You talk like you know it all, and we all get dumber.
Acting like this will be your end.


Your tone makes it sound like all military people too dumb to make their own choices. Please show more respect.

Hurricanes25
02-17-2011, 09:19 PM
I never suggest anyone join the military.
You have no voice, you become another soldier.
No soldier has any clue what he's fighting for.
You fight some fat rich man's battles, so they get richer.
Military will end the world

This prick deserves to be rep raped.

hockey619
02-17-2011, 10:14 PM
I never suggest anyone join the military.
You have no voice, you become another soldier.
No soldier has any clue what he's fighting for.
You fight some fat rich man's battles, so they get richer.
Military will end the world

The only really bad thing he said was this. I know exactly what ill be fighting for.

yes, when you join you really do lose your voice, your opinion is irrelevant and you are a pawn that goes where he is told. its a sacrifice you decide to make for the best interests of everyone.

But your reason for fighting is your own, you signed up for it. yeah, its crap that the top guys send the bottom to fight and dont go themselves. but you sign up knowing it can (and will) happen. but the reason that makes you sign up is still the reason that makes you help and fight.

someone447
02-17-2011, 11:13 PM
The only really bad thing he said was this. I know exactly what ill be fighting for.

yes, when you join you really do lose your voice, your opinion is irrelevant and you are a pawn that goes where he is told. its a sacrifice you decide to make for the best interests of everyone.

But your reason for fighting is your own, you signed up for it. yeah, its crap that the top guys send the bottom to fight and dont go themselves. but you sign up knowing it can (and will) happen. but the reason that makes you sign up is still the reason that makes you help and fight.

I think he just worded it very poorly. Everyone has their own reasons for signing up. No one knows why the brass decided to send them to these god-forsaken places.

Shahin
02-18-2011, 01:15 AM
I believe the places our military is sent does very little to help mankind.


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senormysterioso
02-18-2011, 12:30 PM
I never suggest anyone join the military.
You have no voice, you become another soldier.
No soldier has any clue what he's fighting for.
You fight some fat rich man's battles, so they get richer.
Military will end the world

A well thought out opinion of somebody who has never lifted a finger to affect good in the world. Go on thinking that not doing **** is more morally praiseworthy than my guys going half way around the world to get schools and hospitals built in Iraq and Afghanistan, please. I want you to sleep as nice and cozy as possible at night. I'm glad you think of us as a bunch of mindless automoton droids blindly following orders, and I'm glad that you would never join the military because there is no place for a coward like you in my Army. I would also love to meet your girlfriend, and in the immortal words of General Tommy Franks, "shake your hand, then wink at her because she knows that she's dating a *****."

Don Vito
02-18-2011, 12:34 PM
A little off topic but did anyone watch "The Battle for Marjah" on HBO? That was crazy.

Eaglez.Fan
02-18-2011, 02:04 PM
Maybe GoRavens was thinking along the lines of one of the most decorated soldiers in US History.

War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

Babylon
02-18-2011, 02:47 PM
I never suggest you call out the military around military people.
You have no right, you sound like another ****.
You have no clue what individuals are fighting for.
You talk like you know it all, and we all get dumber.
Acting like this will be your end.


Your tone makes it sound like all military people too dumb to make their own choices. Please show more respect.

It's called free speach. You pay your taxes i feel you have the right to shoot your mouth off. As someone who was in the service i dont entirely agree with what he was saying but i also stopped drinking the Kool-Aid many years ago.

GoRavens
02-19-2011, 03:53 PM
my tone may come across as pessimistic and ungrateful, so let me clear up my thoughts. I am anti-war, not in America, on our whole planet. I truly do appreciate every soldier for what they do. They make sacrifices I couldn't even imagine. But my problem with the military isn't the soldiers. It's the decision makers, the rich government officials that influence who does what, where they do it, and exactly how it's done. We could sit and debate military all day and all night, but one major point will stand out; Our government is corrupt, extremely corrupt. We stick our nose into other countries business, we bully, we intimidate, and we harass. Like the next man, I'm all for world peace, but at this point in existence, that's almost impossible. It's all about bombs, bombs, bombs, money, money, money. I have many friends and family members who joined the armed forces, but I do not agree with what were fighting for. The war in Iraq? Are you kidding me? Ask anybody who knows what their talking about and they'll say we have no place over there. Weapons of mass destruction my a$$. Every country has nukes, and America, out of all of them, is by far the least liked country in the world, and for good reason. I wish the world was easier, calmer, and less dramatic. It's just rich, power hungry, egotistical officials that can influence where and what thousands of soldiers do. I'm no coward, and if our country ever got invaded/bombed/whatever, I'll enlist and fight for a GOOD cause. I'll fight for my family, for my city, and for my country, but I will not join to go to Iraq and start drama. America likes to talk a lot of crap, and they back it up with our trillion dollar military. Our taxpayers money goes to building bombs, and that's just not right. Are we blind?? In the 90s, America funded BILLIONS to Al-Queda, and now I'm supposed to be amped to go to the middle east and fight with them? C'mon son.. Obama is just a puppet and the media controls us to believe everything is okay..
Whatever happened to equality? Sharing with your neighbor, seeing others differences as a good thing, not as bad. What happened to the simple life? Our world is manipulated on a daily basis, from the news to what you pop in the microwave for dinner. America is corrupt, end of story. It's a bunch of sick illuminati members that can't mind their own business, so they tell you who your enemy is.
"I love the place that I live, but I hate the people in charge."
- Immortal Technique

descendency
02-19-2011, 10:37 PM
Completely off topic: The military have some of the funniest sayings. I love the honesty sometimes.

When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend.

You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other son-of-a-***** die for his. - General Patton

If it's stupid but works, it isn't stupid.

Cluster bombing from B-52s is very, very accurate - - the bombs always hit the ground.

If the enemy is in range, so are you.

The difficult we do immediately. The impossible takes a little while longer. - U.S. Navy Seabees

It is generally inadvisable to eject directly over the area you just bombed.

Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons!

When in doubt empty the magazine.

If God had meant for us to be in the Army, we would have been born with green, baggy skin.

Try to look unimportant, they may be low on ammo.

"You, you, and you: Panic. The rest of you, come with me."

Odd objects attract fire - never lurk behind one.

Incoming fire has the right of way.

Don't look conspicuous: it draws fire.

Tracers work both ways.

Five second fuses only last three seconds.

A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit. — from the Army's magazine of preventive maintenance.

Who *cares* if a laser guided 500 lb bomb is accurate to within 9 feet?

The easy way is always mined.

Don't ever be the first, don't ever be the last and don't ever volunteer to do anything.

Never share a fox hole with anyone braver than you.

Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid.

If your attack is going well, you have walked into an ambush.

Never trust a private with a loaded weapon, or an officer with a map.

If you can't remember, the Claymore is pointed towards you.

Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy someone else to shoot at.

Push to test... Release to detonate.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.

There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole.

No combat ready unit has ever passed inspection.

Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out.

Any ship can be a minesweeper... once.

Never tell the Platoon Sergeant you have nothing to do.

The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war.

Don't draw fire, it irritates the people around you.

The enemy invariably attacks on one of two occasions: 1. When you're ready for them. 2. When you're not ready for them.

Combat will occur on the ground between two adjoining maps.

Friendly fire - isn't.

Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography. - Paul Rodriguez

The side with the simplest uniforms wins.

When you're short of everything but the enemy, you're in combat.

Mines are equal opportunity weapons.

We are not retreating, we are advancing in another direction.

If you find yourself in a fair fight you didn't plan your mission properly!

Instruction printed on US Rocket Launcher - "Aim towards Enemy"

diabsoule
02-19-2011, 11:54 PM
I had to lose 9.5" to join. So far I've lose 3.5". I've dropped considerable weight since seeing the recruiter by hardcore dieting and exercising. I've been doing a lot of running, pushups, and situps. My motivating factor is that I can join the Army this year. Seriously, I'm stoked about joining.

senormysterioso
02-20-2011, 12:06 AM
my tone may come across as pessimistic and ungrateful, so let me clear up my thoughts. I am anti-war, not in America, on our whole planet. I truly do appreciate every soldier for what they do. They make sacrifices I couldn't even imagine. But my problem with the military isn't the soldiers. It's the decision makers, the rich government officials that influence who does what, where they do it, and exactly how it's done. We could sit and debate military all day and all night, but one major point will stand out; Our government is corrupt, extremely corrupt. We stick our nose into other countries business, we bully, we intimidate, and we harass. Like the next man, I'm all for world peace, but at this point in existence, that's almost impossible. It's all about bombs, bombs, bombs, money, money, money. I have many friends and family members who joined the armed forces, but I do not agree with what were fighting for. The war in Iraq? Are you kidding me? Ask anybody who knows what their talking about and they'll say we have no place over there. Weapons of mass destruction my a$$. Every country has nukes, and America, out of all of them, is by far the least liked country in the world, and for good reason. I wish the world was easier, calmer, and less dramatic. It's just rich, power hungry, egotistical officials that can influence where and what thousands of soldiers do. I'm no coward, and if our country ever got invaded/bombed/whatever, I'll enlist and fight for a GOOD cause. I'll fight for my family, for my city, and for my country, but I will not join to go to Iraq and start drama. A
merica likes to talk a lot of crap, and they back it up with our trillion dollar military. Our taxpayers money goes to building bombs, and that's just not right. Are we blind?? In the 90s, America funded BILLIONS to Al-Queda, and now I'm supposed to be amped to go to the middle east and fight with them? C'mon son.. Obama is just a puppet and the media controls us to believe everything is okay..
Whatever happened to equality? Sharing with your neighbor, seeing others differences as a good thing, not as bad. What happened to the simple life? Our world is manipulated on a daily basis, from the news to what you pop in the microwave for dinner. America is corrupt, end of story. It's a bunch of sick illuminati members that can't mind their own business, so they tell you who your enemy is.
"I love the place that I live, but I hate the people in charge."
- Immortal Technique

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, that's the basic tenant of our country. But I'm sorry, this is such a bulls**t canned response that the liberal media has ingrained in the half-sentient populace (which is preferential to the non-sentient right wing tea party types). Sure, the war in Iraq was started under false pretenses...fine, there is egg on the NSA and CIA's faces. But, you know what. Real, observable improvements have been made in Iraq and the middle east because of that war...ill gotten or not. I saw Sadr City go from a post apocalyptic, mad max style terrorist play ground, to a relatively secure, and stable neighborhood. I don't care why the President and the Senate send me where they decide to send me. My group and I are going to do good things wherever we are with whatever resources we're afforded. The brass just sign the checks and make the travel arrangements, it's up to me what happens on the ground.

And if you're going to spout off a bunch of quasi-intellectual rhetoric, at least do some ******* research. The United States never funded Al-Qaeda, the CIA financially backed the mujaheddin of Afghanistan when the Soviet Union invaded them in the late 70's-80's. Such was Regan's foreign policy. He supported any anti-Soviet activities during his Presidency. This was actually one of the least ******-up things that happened with regards to his foreign policy. The Iran/Contra affair and the secret wars of Central America were far more messed up...but guess what, real tangible good was still done on the ground by your military. Al-Qaeda was founded after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, along with the Taliban. The United States were among the first to recognize them as a terrorist organization. Forget the black helicopters and Da Vinci code nonsense. The conspiracy theory horse **** is a waste of time and frankly immature. Obviously there is corruption in our government, but if you had any perspective or world view you would understand that it is among the least corrupt in the world. I live in Wisconsin, and our governor is trying to take away public sector employees right to collectively bargain, I'm far from happy with my government. That said, I resent you intimating that the entire military is a bunch of pawns for corporate interest and that I'm risking my life for nothing. I know exactly what I'm risking my life for every time I file my trip ticket and cross the wire and it's worth it every time.

As I said, you're absolutely entitled to your opinions but I strongly urge you to reassess them.

CJSchneider
02-20-2011, 09:57 AM
Huuuuuaaaaaaa!!!!

FlyingElvis
02-25-2011, 02:07 PM
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, that's the basic tenant of our country. But I'm sorry, this is such a bulls**t canned response that the liberal media has ingrained in the half-sentient populace (which is preferential to the non-sentient right wing tea party types). Sure, the war in Iraq was started under false pretenses...fine, there is egg on the NSA and CIA's faces. But, you know what. Real, observable improvements have been made in Iraq and the middle east because of that war...ill gotten or not. I saw Sadr City go from a post apocalyptic, mad max style terrorist play ground, to a relatively secure, and stable neighborhood. I don't care why the President and the Senate send me where they decide to send me. My group and I are going to do good things wherever we are with whatever resources we're afforded. The brass just sign the checks and make the travel arrangements, it's up to me what happens on the ground.

And if you're going to spout off a bunch of quasi-intellectual rhetoric, at least do some ******* research. The United States never funded Al-Qaeda, the CIA financially backed the mujaheddin of Afghanistan when the Soviet Union invaded them in the late 70's-80's. Such was Regan's foreign policy. He supported any anti-Soviet activities during his Presidency. This was actually one of the least ******-up things that happened with regards to his foreign policy. The Iran/Contra affair and the secret wars of Central America were far more messed up...but guess what, real tangible good was still done on the ground by your military. Al-Qaeda was founded after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, along with the Taliban. The United States were among the first to recognize them as a terrorist organization. Forget the black helicopters and Da Vinci code nonsense. The conspiracy theory horse **** is a waste of time and frankly immature. Obviously there is corruption in our government, but if you had any perspective or world view you would understand that it is among the least corrupt in the world. I live in Wisconsin, and our governor is trying to take away public sector employees right to collectively bargain, I'm far from happy with my government. That said, I resent you intimating that the entire military is a bunch of pawns for corporate interest and that I'm risking my life for nothing. I know exactly what I'm risking my life for every time I file my trip ticket and cross the wire and it's worth it every time.

As I said, you're absolutely entitled to your opinions but I strongly urge you to reassess them.

Brilliant post.


I believe it was right around this line: "My group and I are going to do good things wherever we are with whatever resources we're afforded." that The Battle Hymn started up in my head. lol

StickSkills
02-25-2011, 02:33 PM
EDIT: answered my question by reading entire thread.