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DBNYDP
02-15-2011, 03:01 PM
Didn't see a thread but he just got a surgery for a partially torn meniscus
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/14693067/potential-no-1-overall-pick-bowers-had-knee-surgery

descendency
02-15-2011, 03:04 PM
It's only a scope.

SRogers92
02-15-2011, 03:05 PM
It's not a major surgery, by any means ... this won't affect his stock at all, IMO.

the natural
02-15-2011, 03:09 PM
It's not a major surgery, by any means ... this won't affect his stock at all, IMO.

But they say he may not be able to workout prior to the draft. That would affect his stock to some extent at least.

batman15
02-15-2011, 03:15 PM
But they say he may not be able to workout prior to the draft. That would affect his stock to some extent at least.

Not at all. I honestly couldn't see this even being a concern for any GM.

descendency
02-15-2011, 03:17 PM
But they say he may not be able to workout prior to the draft. That would affect his stock to some extent at least.

Lots of players in the top 5 say FU to workouts pre-draft.

the natural
02-15-2011, 03:21 PM
Lots of players in the top 5 say FU to workouts pre-draft.

Bowers is a one year wonder. Fairley too. Their workouts are important.

SRogers92
02-15-2011, 03:29 PM
Not really ... his issues were about "work ethic" and motivation ... he'll address those as best as he can during interviews ... his physical tools have never been questioned. There's always Pro Days, too ...

This isn't a concern.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-15-2011, 03:31 PM
Bowers is a one year wonder. Fairley too. Their workouts are important.

And a workout in shorts and t-shirt would prove anything? Those two guys could shut it down till the draft and still go top 10 in their sleep, they are far and away the best prospects at their position.

Babylon
02-15-2011, 03:32 PM
I doubt it would hurt his draft status much. Ironically guys that sit out like Bradford and Robert Quinn seem to see their stock actually go up. Something about not being scrutinized i guess.

the natural
02-15-2011, 03:39 PM
I doubt it would hurt his draft status much. Ironically guys that sit out like Bradford and Robert Quinn seem to see their stock actually go up. Something about not being scrutinized i guess.
Not sure about Quinn, but Bradford put together back to back Heisman Trophy worthy seasons before he was hurt.

no bare feet
02-15-2011, 03:46 PM
Bowers is a one year wonder. Fairley too. Their workouts are important.

you are a zero year wonder!

Babylon
02-15-2011, 04:03 PM
you are a zero year wonder!

Is that anything like a legend in his own mind?

JHL6719
02-15-2011, 04:12 PM
Is that anything like a legend in his own mind?


Most of you would know...

Razor
02-15-2011, 04:23 PM
And a workout in shorts and t-shirt would prove anything? Those two guys could shut it down till the draft and still go top 10 in their sleep, they are far and away the best prospects at their position.

That depends on who you ask I guess... I have Dareus ranked ahead of Fairley, and Jordan isn't that far behind. Bowers is a one year wonder, but he doesn't seem to be the typical one year wonder boom or bust type. Based on potential I'd still rank Quinn ahead of Bowers, but not playing this past season might have hurt his stock a bit. Aldon Smith is up there as well, again based on potential. I can see why people like Bowers and some of his lack of production was because of injuries, I get that.. Bowers is definetly a top 10 player, but saying he's far and away the best prospect at his position isn't true imo. With that said, I don't see this injury hurting his stock. He had a great season, his physical skills are known and easily spotted when you see him play. All he has to do is interview well and I'm sure he'll be off the board pretty early.

87Canes
02-15-2011, 08:15 PM
Bowers is not a one year wonder.

Brown Leader
02-15-2011, 08:17 PM
[quizzical eyebrow] Having any kind of surgery to his knee, this close to the combine and pro day, definitely impacts his stock. Who knows to what extant, but to say its a complete non issue?...no.

descendency
02-15-2011, 08:18 PM
Lots of players are 1 year wonders before entering the draft and succeeding.

edit: you could argue that this will help his stock. We all assume you need to have a good workout to keep your stock high, but as long as no one else does way more than they were expected to do, then Bowers isn't going to fall.

Workouts are just to measure your "potential". This just protects him from having a potentially bad workout.

ElectricEye
02-15-2011, 09:56 PM
This could cost him a few draft spots if he doesn't work out. Right or wrong, one of the questions people have about him is how high his athleticism threshold is. I could see Carolina or Denver having that reservation and preferring to select Fairley if they have to chose between the two as there's really no gap.

He'll likely do some stuff at the combine and then run at his Pro-Day though.

Brown Leader
04-12-2011, 06:31 PM
Anyone catch Charlie Casserly today saying that from what he's been told Bowers knee may have an arthritic condition and there was swelling after his pro day? He and Mike Lombardi commented that he is coming off team's boards and is too much a risk for the first round now. wow.

FuzzyGopher
04-12-2011, 06:44 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/12/reports-bowers-medical-recheck-revealed-long-term-issues/

Multiple places are reporting it, but there are also other places saying his knee is fine. Lotta gamesmanship going on right now.

FUNBUNCHER
04-12-2011, 06:44 PM
That sucks but I'm not really surprised. If Bowers can stay healthy and play to the level of his early predraft grade, he'll eventually make his money, but no one is going to give him guaranteed millions with a gimpy leg before he's ever played a down in the NFL.

Iamcanadian
04-12-2011, 07:47 PM
Anyone catch Charlie Casserly today saying that from what he's been told Bowers knee may have an arthritic condition and there was swelling after his pro day? He and Mike Lombardi commented that he is coming off team's boards and is too much a risk for the first round now. wow.

Didn't quite say that, said he was dropping and off a number of team's boards but didn't say he had fallen out of round 1 although that is certainly a strong possibility.

descendency
04-12-2011, 09:28 PM
Didn't quite say that, said he was dropping and off a number of team's boards but didn't say he had fallen out of round 1 although that is certainly a strong possibility.

I didn't see it, but I heard from numerous people that he did say that teams have removed him from first round consideration. That doesn't mean all teams - just some. (and probably most)

The initial report was that he didn't even have an MRI though lol.

Brown Leader
04-12-2011, 09:52 PM
Didn't quite say that, said he was dropping and off a number of team's boards but didn't say he had fallen out of round 1 although that is certainly a strong possibility.

uhhh..he certainly did...
Casserly.."It sounds to me you've got to pass on this guy, not only in the top ten, but in the first round."

I_C_DeadPeople
04-12-2011, 10:42 PM
No doubt that his condition is a real huge red flag. Anthony Munoz came out with supposed bad knees but went to the HOF. Having said that, a DE pass rush specialist may very well be far more hampered with a weak knee than a tackle.

drd23
04-12-2011, 11:03 PM
Bower's agent has released a statement re Bowers medical re-check
On January 4, 2011, Da'Quan underwent an arthroscopic procedure that included what is, technically, a very small chondroplasty to a non-weight bearing area of his knee. The surgeon, Dr. Larry Bowman, observed, arthroscopically, a very healthy knee with no signs of arthritis.

....

As to his progress and the feedback from the medical recheck, every team we've spoken to, including multiple GMs, has said that, overall, Da'Quan's knee has shown good healing, has continued to get better since the Combine, and, perhaps most importantly, showed absolutely no acute or remote ill-effects as a result of his April 1 workout (i.e. no swelling, no increase in laxity, etc.). We know of at least two "stations" (multiple doctors) at the recheck who improved his grade from the Combine. In short, their doctors indicated that the fact that the knee didn't swell up after a full pro-day workout, followed immediately by a week of visiting teams via air travel (which can increase swelling) is clearly a very positive sign.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Da-8217-Quan-Bowers-8217-agent-releases-state?urn=nfl-wp917

It sounds like this whole thing about microfracture surgery and Bowers being a big medical risk is more than likely a smokescreen put out by teams picking in the teens that want Bowers (i.e Detroit, Tampa)

GaMeTiMe
04-13-2011, 02:21 AM
No one really knows the deal with Bowers right now. There's been a lot of negative talk, which people are saying are smokescreens to get him to fall, and then there's a lot of talk about him being fine, which people are saying his agent is putting out there.

He could go in the top-10, the top-20, or fall out of the first round where in turn we would all say "so all the Bowers stuff really was true!"

descendency
04-13-2011, 02:28 AM
Bower's agent has released a statement re Bowers medical re-check

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Da-8217-Quan-Bowers-8217-agent-releases-state?urn=nfl-wp917

It sounds like this whole thing about microfracture surgery and Bowers being a big medical risk is more than likely a smokescreen put out by teams picking in the teens that want Bowers (i.e Detroit, Tampa)

Just keep in mind that Bowers is a cash cow and that the quote you posted is from his agent.

If Bowers loses 30 million, his agent probably just lost 3% or roughly 1 million.

TACKLE
04-13-2011, 02:33 AM
It's hard to know what to make of all this because it seems as if it would be beneficial for a lot of teams to put out misinformation on Bowers that could result in him falling.

Iamcanadian
04-13-2011, 02:45 PM
At this point it doesn't matter what his agent says, teams interested in Bowers will have their own doctors fully examine him and will go strictly by what the doctors tell them. It is now out of the scouts, HC's and GM's hands.

K Train
04-13-2011, 03:03 PM
i still think the lions are his floor...they would have a hard time passing on him

Iamcanadian
04-13-2011, 04:03 PM
i still think the lions are his floor...they would have a hard time passing on him

If the doctors say his knee will never be 100% and will be followed by a short career, he could drop to round 2 or even 3. No telling how far he falls.

descendency
04-13-2011, 05:43 PM
Yeah. No one wants an average DE (what he will be with a bad knee) for 5 years. Especially not in the first round.

Wrathman
04-14-2011, 01:58 AM
i still think the lions are his floor...they would have a hard time passing on him

It's too early to make a statement on his floor until we know what they injury status is. His floor is UDFA...like every other player eligible for the draft. Where reality will land is unknown today.

miz11
04-28-2011, 11:03 PM
And a workout in shorts and t-shirt would prove anything? Those two guys could shut it down till the draft and still go top 10 in their sleep, they are far and away the best prospects at their position.

o'rly?

...:D