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Xiomera
04-01-2011, 12:09 PM
Give me Roy Halladay.

Give me Granderson.

D-Unit
04-01-2011, 12:11 PM
My trade block:

Ben Zobrist (1B, 2B, OF)
JP Arencibia (C)
Ike Davis (1B)
Brian Matusz (P)
Chad Billingsly (P)
Josh Beckett (P)
Kyle Drabek (P)
Stephen Strasburg (P)
Brandon Webb (P)
Erik Bedard (P)

Jughead10
04-01-2011, 12:13 PM
Give me Granderson.

Sure straight up for Doc?

D-Unit
04-01-2011, 12:13 PM
I'm looking for a power-hitting Outfielder.
Jay Bruce and Colby Rasmus are the only 2 remotely close to that that I have.

D-Unit
04-01-2011, 12:14 PM
Give me Granderson.
I want Doc...

Xiomera
04-01-2011, 12:15 PM
I won't trade Doc unless I get another very good starter in return .... Like Justin Verlander ....... plus more.

Jughead10
04-01-2011, 12:16 PM
I want Doc...

Granderson is going to have a big year. He probably would have hit 30 HRs last year had he not missed a whole month.

Xiomera
04-01-2011, 12:16 PM
I honestly just want to shake up my team a bit.

Anyone wanna trade a star player for a star player? Even at the same position, haha.

djp
04-01-2011, 01:22 PM
I honestly just want to shake up my team a bit.

Anyone wanna trade a star player for a star player? Even at the same position, haha.

Send me something. Seriously. I am in the same boat.

Jughead10
04-01-2011, 01:34 PM
You guys are too antsy. This is a marathon.

Xiomera
04-01-2011, 01:43 PM
Yes, it is. But it doesn't make me any less interested in changing things up a bit.

D-Unit
04-01-2011, 01:46 PM
I won't trade Doc unless I get another very good starter in return .... Like Justin Verlander ....... plus more.
Problem is you don't value Verlander as much as I do. I'd like to hear what kind of season numbers you think he'll end up with.

D-Unit
04-01-2011, 01:47 PM
Send me something. Seriously. I am in the same boat.
I'll send you Matusz for something. I don't care for him as much as you do... I think.

Xiomera
04-01-2011, 02:04 PM
Problem is you don't value Verlander as much as I do. I'd like to hear what kind of season numbers you think he'll end up with.

I project Halladay to be the best pitcher and Verlander to be in the top 8.

Jughead10
04-01-2011, 02:10 PM
I project Halladay to be the best pitcher and Verlander to be in the top 8.

Already missed out on a W because of what could be a significantly worse Philly offense.

Xiomera
04-01-2011, 02:11 PM
Already missed out on a W because of what could be a significantly worse Philly offense.

So who is the top pitcher then?

Felix will have the same exact problems only worse.

Frankly I like Jon Lester the best ... and I have him too. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

Jughead10
04-01-2011, 02:23 PM
So who is the top pitcher then?

Felix will have the same exact problems only worse.

Frankly I like Jon Lester the best ... and I have him too. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball. But I think he loses some wins off his 20 or 21 he got last year. Does that still make him the best fantasy pitcher? I don't know. It's hard to weigh the stats against the others. How many points of ERA is an extra 3-4 wins worth?

Xiomera
04-01-2011, 03:01 PM
Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball. But I think he loses some wins off his 20 or 21 he got last year. Does that still make him the best fantasy pitcher? I don't know. It's hard to weigh the stats against the others. How many points of ERA is an extra 3-4 wins worth?

Wins are unpredictable. I care about ERA, WHIP and K's.

KCJ58
04-01-2011, 04:36 PM
no 1 can have kershaw

but Lincecuminmyass is on the block

yodabear
04-01-2011, 07:22 PM
My whole team with the exception of Pujols on the block. If u want Pujols in return, I will laugh at ur offer, say **** u, and reject it. However, if Pujols is not in it, I will consider it, especially if u give me a top notch starting and/or relief pitcher. And no Xio and D-Unit, Max Sherzer, Dontrelle Willis, and Homer Bailey ARE NO top notch. That Yoda has been beaten out of me.

Xiomera
04-01-2011, 10:53 PM
Yoda, there's quite a descrepancy between Scherzer and the likes of Dontrelle and Homer Bailey, haha.

But it's OK, I'm keeping Mad Max.

yodabear
04-01-2011, 10:59 PM
Yoda, there's quite a descrepancy between Scherzer and the likes of Dontrelle and Homer Bailey, haha.

But it's OK, I'm keeping Mad Max.

Mad Max is good. But he is not good enough to be traded for Robinson Cano straight up.

Xiomera
04-01-2011, 11:13 PM
Mad Max is good. But he is not good enough to be traded for Robinson Cano straight up.

Who said anything about that. I have too many Yankees as is, and I only have the one (Soriano).

yodabear
04-01-2011, 11:21 PM
Who said anything about that. I have too many Yankees as is, and I only have the one (Soriano).

Scherzer for Cano was just a trade made by the great yodaetc.

yodabear
04-01-2011, 11:34 PM
JOSH HAMILTON IS AVAILABLE FOR THE RIGHT PRICE! (AKA: a starting pitcher that doesn't suck, a closer that is not injured, or I guess a catcher can suffice some too.

Xiomera
04-09-2011, 10:22 AM
Looks like HChu quit on the league.

Suggested replacements?

Jughead10
04-09-2011, 12:12 PM
Looks like HChu quit on the league.

Suggested replacements?

Just throw out the opportunity to take over the team, in the MLB thread.

Xiomera
04-09-2011, 03:00 PM
Yesterday I sat Soto and he homered. Today I sat Russ Martin and he homered ... twice.

I ******* hate guessing on what day which catcher will sit.

yodabear
04-09-2011, 07:41 PM
Oh, oh look who is on his way up. And of course I am starting to do good and Xio and D-Unit are wanting to trade me so I can make my team worse.

Xiomera
04-09-2011, 10:57 PM
Good job trading two top 40 players for a bunch of spare parts.

yodabear
04-09-2011, 11:26 PM
Good job trading two top 40 players for a bunch of spare parts.

So I can apparently only trade with u and they are only a good ones? Dude, I said I needed starting pitching. I got 2 aces and a guy tht if he stays healthy has the possibility of being a keeper. And then some people that I can fill in. Yeah, u offered me a trade, I ignored it cuz I saw it after Hanley got hurt. Why would I trade for an injured guy. Plus, that trade was a wash, it was a change for the sake of change. Plus, I don't wanna give away Tulo. But hey, u can try and get the league to veto this, but I doubt it cuz u can't keep enough people active to veto it. Plus Phillips is a d-bag.

Xiomera
04-10-2011, 12:11 AM
Haha, I offer you a trade you say was a wash, and in turn, you go out and make a deal that isn't a wash just to prove something?

yodabear
04-10-2011, 12:17 AM
Haha, I offer you a trade you say was a wash, and in turn, you go out and make a deal that isn't a wash just to prove something?

Okay, lets make a deal, whoever finishes higher in the league gets to decide what we do in bed for three years....

Xiomera
04-10-2011, 12:18 AM
Okay, lets make a deal, whoever finishes higher in the league gets to decide what we do in bed for three years....

I think that fact that I've won this league several times would dictate me having that control for the indefinite future. Also, I'm cheating on you.

yodabear
04-10-2011, 12:19 AM
I think that fact that I've won this league several times would dictate me having that control for the indefinite future. Also, I'm cheating on you.

WHAT!?!?!?!? Well, thats fine, obviously I've been sneaking around with D-Unit and a female behind you're back for quite a while now.

yodabear
04-10-2011, 12:20 AM
Oh, oh I am sorry D-Unit, I may have just portrayed u as a home wrecker.

Jughead10
04-10-2011, 12:43 PM
So I can apparently only trade with u and they are only a good ones? Dude, I said I needed starting pitching. I got 2 aces and a guy tht if he stays healthy has the possibility of being a keeper. And then some people that I can fill in. Yeah, u offered me a trade, I ignored it cuz I saw it after Hanley got hurt. Why would I trade for an injured guy. Plus, that trade was a wash, it was a change for the sake of change. Plus, I don't wanna give away Tulo. But hey, u can try and get the league to veto this, but I doubt it cuz u can't keep enough people active to veto it. Plus Phillips is a d-bag.

I already put my veto in.

Xiomera
04-10-2011, 01:09 PM
Who wants to trade?

Giantsfan1080
04-11-2011, 01:32 PM
I'm stuck in last. I'll probably start to panic within the next week or two if I don't start moving up. Crawford is killing me.

bearsfan_51
04-11-2011, 02:44 PM
I'm currently 2nd, which is still about 100 points behind MaxV.

Giantsfan1080
04-11-2011, 02:52 PM
Max is really hitting on all cylinders right now.

Jughead10
04-11-2011, 03:10 PM
A lot of the guys I was counting on for power have given me 0 so far. So I might want to deal for that in a bit as well.

D-Unit
04-11-2011, 03:27 PM
If you see anything on my team that interests you, just hit me up.

Giantsfan1080
04-11-2011, 03:45 PM
I'm pissed I can't check fantasy at work. It's probably a good thing but it's also annoying as hell.

D-Unit
04-11-2011, 03:58 PM
I'm pissed I can't check fantasy at work. It's probably a good thing but it's also annoying as hell.
Saaaaaaaaaaame. Only way is through my phone and that sucks.

MaxV
04-11-2011, 04:09 PM
I'm currently 2nd, which is still about 100 points behind MaxV.

Max is really hitting on all cylinders right now.

Well, so far so good.

But I'm not getting too excited. Last year my team had a great first half also (I remember having a big lead over Xio for awhile), only to fall apart in the 2nd half.

Xiomera
04-11-2011, 04:23 PM
I want to make a trade. I've got stolen bases available (Ellsbury or Victorino). Looking for another starter.

D-Unit
04-11-2011, 04:51 PM
Well, so far so good.

But I'm not getting too excited. Last year my team had a great first half also (I remember having a big lead over Xio for awhile), only to fall apart in the 2nd half.
Kenny Rogers has a great song for you...

kn481KcjvMo

djp
04-11-2011, 08:59 PM
If anyone wants to trade, just send me an offer and I'll either accept or counter, or just reject if it's bad enough I guess. Don't have time/interest to bargain back and forth over PM. Just don't be an idiot about it.

Xiomera
04-11-2011, 09:18 PM
If anyone wants to trade, just send me an offer and I'll either accept or counter, or just reject if it's bad enough I guess. Don't have time/interest to bargain back and forth over PM. Just don't be an idiot about it.

You might tell people what you're looking for / willing to trade first.

bearsfan_51
04-12-2011, 03:33 PM
I'm willing to cut bait on Phil Hughes, but I'm not one to panic.

MaxV
04-12-2011, 04:11 PM
Kenny Rogers has a great song for you...

kn481KcjvMo

Ha. Yeah, that works.

yodabear
04-12-2011, 08:32 PM
Any of u dirty mo fos still want Josh Hamilton? LOL.

yodabear
04-12-2011, 09:13 PM
Hamilton is gonna be my 5th guy on my DL. WTF man? I can't release any of these guys.....

bearsfan_51
04-12-2011, 09:37 PM
Josh Hamilton for Phil Hughes. Make it happen.

yodabear
04-12-2011, 09:40 PM
Josh Hamilton for Phil Hughes. Make it happen.

I somehow think that will be vetoed.

bearsfan_51
04-12-2011, 09:41 PM
Haters gonna hate, yoda.

D-Unit
04-13-2011, 04:32 AM
Now that Hamilton is out for 8 weeks, can I just say thank you to each of you who veto'd my trade with Yoda. I think that saved my season. :D

Xiomera
04-13-2011, 12:03 PM
Now that Hamilton is out for 8 weeks, can I just say thank you to each of you who veto'd my trade with Yoda. I think that saved my season. :D

Will it still be considered a "save" if you finish at the bottom of the standings again? http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

D-Unit
04-13-2011, 12:06 PM
Will it still be considered a "save" if you finish at the bottom of the standings again? http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif
Yeah because I didn't strategize that AT ALL..... http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

Purposely losing FTW!

MaxV
04-13-2011, 04:15 PM
Well, my team started collapsing earlier this year.

Xiomera
04-13-2011, 04:17 PM
It's WAY too early for anyone to believe they're out of it.

bearsfan_51
04-13-2011, 05:14 PM
You're all out of it.

KCJ58
04-13-2011, 09:30 PM
when I'm playing fantasy baseball I'm always in it

Xiomera
04-14-2011, 02:33 PM
Anyone want Ellsbury, Ichiro, Abreu, Werth, or Victorino?

I want a starting pitcher of comparable value in return.

D-Unit
04-14-2011, 03:46 PM
Anyone want Ellsbury, Ichiro, Abreu, Werth, or Victorino?

I want a starting pitcher of comparable value in return.
You trade for Ichiro, just to put him on the block a couple days later? Enough with your tricks.

Xiomera
04-14-2011, 04:17 PM
You trade for Ichiro, just to put him on the block a couple days later? Enough with your tricks.

I have a surplus of outfielders with speed. If he's the one someone is interested in, the fact that I recently acquired him is not going to be a sticking point.

I don't know how this concerns you.

D-Unit
04-14-2011, 04:45 PM
I have a surplus of outfielders with speed. If he's the one someone is interested in, the fact that I recently acquired him is not going to be a sticking point.

I don't know how this concerns you.
Any deal you complete concerns me because you are tricky.

Xiomera
04-14-2011, 04:48 PM
Any deal you complete concerns me because you are tricky.

I'm gonna ignore the hypocrisy of this comment.

Giantsfan1080
04-14-2011, 05:02 PM
I think he meant in a good way.

Xiomera
04-14-2011, 05:05 PM
I think he meant in a good way.

I KNOW he didn't mean it in a good way. This conversation arises 3-4 times a year. haha

D-Unit
04-14-2011, 06:00 PM
I'm gonna ignore the hypocrisy of this comment.
I see where you're going...

Fowler/Soriano = Ichiro

Ichiro = "pitcher of equal value"

"pitcher of equal value" > Fowler/Soriano

Xiomera
04-14-2011, 10:39 PM
I see where you're going...

Fowler/Soriano = Ichiro

Ichiro = "pitcher of equal value"

"pitcher of equal value" > Fowler/Soriano

Thanks for doing simple math, dummy.

D-Unit
04-14-2011, 11:20 PM
Thanks for doing simple math, dummy.
Oooh, did I hit a nerve???

Xiomera
04-14-2011, 11:55 PM
Oooh, did I hit a nerve???

Nope. Though you're trying to.

D-Unit
04-16-2011, 09:09 PM
Why can't we add players if they played today? Did we have that before? Take it off.

Xiomera
04-17-2011, 12:49 AM
Why can't we add players if they played today? Did we have that before? Take it off.

I didn't change any settings. I believe you can add players if they've already played, but you aren't allowed to drop a player whose game is already in progress for another guy.

I think.

yodabear
04-18-2011, 12:31 AM
I will one day learn to not post in the heat of the moment and find out what the man really meant. And keep my cool. Good day.

yodabear
04-18-2011, 12:38 AM
don't **** With Yoda!

bearsfan_51
04-18-2011, 09:23 AM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00796/P-Diddy_796482c.jpg

Xiomera
04-18-2011, 09:31 AM
http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/yoda-peg-costume-10-10-2006.jpg

Giantsfan1080
04-18-2011, 09:34 AM
At least I'm finally out of last.

D-Unit
04-18-2011, 11:53 AM
By ESPN 2011 Projections

Rank by position. ie. Zobrist is the 9th ranked 2B, Phillips is the 5th.

9. Zobrist 551 AB, 88 R, 17 HR, 85 RBI, 94 BB, 21 SB, .378 OBP
14. Arencibia 413 AB, 53 R, 20 HR, 69 RBI, 23 BB, 0 SB, .286 OBP
52. Wilson 195.0 IP, 87 BB, 163 K, 14 W, 3.74 ERA, 1.30 WHIP
Beachy - projections are off because ESPN doesn't project him as being in the rotation

5. Phillips 616 AB, 94 R, 19 HR, 68 RBI, 44 BB, 18 SB, .327 OBP
77. Soriano 469 AB, 63 R, 21 HR, 69 RBI, 38 BB, 6 SB, 308 OBP
102. Burnett 200.0 IP, 85 BB, 177 K, 13 W, 4.41 ERA, 1.43 WHIP

Can everyone who vetoed the trade, at least provide their reason? I'm not mad, I just want to know how everyone bases their opinion off of. I don't see how it was a bad trade. Zobrist has multiple position eligibility, Arencibia is an upgrade for Yoda at C and he also has good value as a young guy with high upside in a keeper league, Wilson is better than Burnett in any ranking you find, Soriano doesn't have a lot of respect (look how far he fell in the draft). I like his hot start, but not only is he old, Yoda admittingly doesn't even use him. He has excess at OF. Beachy is also a young prospect with upside.

Where's the wrong? Is there at stat category that is completely off? Is there value that's terrible? If you want to veto, that's fine... but I'd like to know why, because I think Yoda and I are close enough that we can still work something out. Oh and by the way, Phillips has a groin injury that has kept him out of several games and he has yet to come back.

Xiomera
04-18-2011, 12:44 PM
Personally, I vetoed it because there is no comparable player to Brandon Phillips going to Yoda in the trade. Phillips is a top 25 hitter that is off to a tremendous start. Zobrist, the best player Yoda gets, is off to a horrific start on the other hand and is well down the list in terms of pre-season ranks (which you've said you don't put stock in). It's sell low, buy high. Makes no sense. Zobrist's multi-position eligibility is of no real benefit given he already has Pujols at 1B, Phillips and Walker at 2B and plenty of outfielders.

Also, Yoda is exhausting his Innings Pitched at a rate well above average. Adding starting pitching doesn't seem to make sense for him.

And using Phillips' very minor injury isn't a viable justification. If you were even remotely concerned about it, you wouldn't have made a deal. Phillips has been quoted as saying he's upset the manager made him sit out at all because he thinks he's good to go.

I can't speak for anyone else that voted against it. It requires 5 votes, I believe, to overrule.

Jughead10
04-18-2011, 12:50 PM
The difference between Cj Wilson and Burnett isn't all the great as the ranking would indicate. The projected number are fairly similar, yet they are 50 spots apart.

Also JP is that great of a piece in a league where you only start 1 catcher. And he's not good enough to start as UTIL.

I also did not veto it. Although I would have had it not already gone through.

D-Unit
04-18-2011, 01:33 PM
Personally, I vetoed it because there is no comparable player to Brandon Phillips going to Yoda in the trade. Phillips is a top 25 hitter that is off to a tremendous start. Zobrist, the best player Yoda gets, is off to a horrific start on the other hand and is well down the list in terms of pre-season ranks (which you've said you don't put stock in). It's sell low, buy high. Makes no sense. Zobrist's multi-position eligibility is of no real benefit given he already has Pujols at 1B, Phillips and Walker at 2B and plenty of outfielders.

Also, Yoda is exhausting his Innings Pitched at a rate well above average. Adding starting pitching doesn't seem to make sense for him.

And using Phillips' very minor injury isn't a viable justification. If you were even remotely concerned about it, you wouldn't have made a deal. Phillips has been quoted as saying he's upset the manager made him sit out at all because he thinks he's good to go.

I can't speak for anyone else that voted against it. It requires 5 votes, I believe, to overrule.
The multiple position eligibility isn't of benefit to replace others, it's to gain extra starts when he's playing and others aren't. It saves roster spots. Instead of having 3 backups at those positions, he has it in 1 utility player.

Adding pitching for the sake of adding pitching doesn't make sense, but when you're adding pitching that's better than what you got, then it does.

Do you make trades on players being hot/cold or do you do it by projection? If I were to swap out Zobrist for Willie Bloomquist, does that make the trade better for you? C'mon now. It's projections that matter. ...and the trade wasn't that bad considering. But I'm not here to have an ongoing debate about it. Just gathering info.

bearsfan_51
04-18-2011, 01:39 PM
I didn't veto it, although banning yoda from trading might not be the worst idea.

Xiomera
04-18-2011, 01:51 PM
The multiple position eligibility isn't of benefit to replace others, it's to gain extra starts when he's playing and others aren't. It saves roster spots. Instead of having 3 backups at those positions, he has it in 1 utility player.

Adding pitching for the sake of adding pitching doesn't make sense, but when you're adding pitching that's better than what you got, then it does.

Do you make trades on players being hot/cold or do you do it by projection? If I were to swap out Zobrist for Willie Bloomquist, does that make the trade better for you? C'mon now. It's projections that matter. ...and the trade wasn't that bad considering. But I'm not here to have an ongoing debate about it. Just gathering info.

Bottom line for me: Phillips is a top 25 hitter. He didn't get anyone that's remotely close to an equal caliber player and he's not a guy that would benefit from a 2 for 1 type of deal that adds depth at the expense of sacrificing the best player in the deal. All of the other arguments I just made were superfluous in my reasoning.

KCJ58
04-18-2011, 10:09 PM
I'm stuck at 4th

Xiomera
04-18-2011, 10:31 PM
I'm stuck at 4th

I'm stuck in 5th. Let's trade.

yodabear
04-18-2011, 10:37 PM
2nd place BITCHES. 1 more to take down!

bearsfan_51
04-19-2011, 11:47 AM
I remember jughead saying that he didn't think my team would get enough HR's. I'm currently first, with 31; he's currently last, with 14. :)

D-Unit
04-19-2011, 12:31 PM
I remember jughead saying that he didn't think my team would get enough HR's. I'm currently first, with 31; he's currently last, with 14. :)
Lance Berkman going zonkers helps. Shame on me for not believing in the Big Puma.

Xiomera
04-19-2011, 11:08 PM
****. I benched a day's worth of offense tonight.

Ichiro: 4/5, BB, 3 R, 3 RBI, 2 SB

That ******* postponed game screwed me up. Wouldn't let me swap him in.

Jughead10
04-20-2011, 08:17 AM
I remember jughead saying that he didn't think my team would get enough HR's. I'm currently first, with 31; he's currently last, with 14. :)

I know. None of my HR guys have gotten going. Between Votto, Alvarez, and Stanton, I have 2. I was hoping for 100+ HRs from those three guys. Mark Reynolds only has 1 as well. I specifically took him with my first pick because I knew I needed HRs and would take the losses he provides elsewhere.

bearsfan_51
04-23-2011, 10:13 AM
I knew I shouldn't have cut Maybin. Oh well, I guess it never hurts to give to those less fortunate.

Xiomera
04-23-2011, 11:47 AM
I knew I shouldn't have cut Maybin. Oh well, I guess it never hurts to give to those less fortunate.

That's how I felt with Chase Headley ... and Michael Cuddyer. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

D-Unit
04-23-2011, 12:46 PM
I knew I shouldn't have cut Maybin. Oh well, I guess it never hurts to give to those less fortunate.
Just consider it a trade of Cameron Maybin for Derek Lee. :)

bearsfan_51
04-23-2011, 12:47 PM
That's how I felt with Chase Headley ... and Michael Cuddyer. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif
And Scott Baker. I've enjoyed his last two starts: 14 innings, 1 run, 10h/bb, 15k

Xiomera
04-23-2011, 12:49 PM
And Scott Baker. I've enjoyed his last two starts: 14 innings, 1 run, 10h/bb, 15k

I was only naming players I drafted THIS season.

All my castoffs are doing well. Heck, look at Anibal Sanchez last night.

D-Unit
04-25-2011, 11:13 AM
Way to go on the set up Xio. The fact that we can do adds/drops on a daily basis makes it way more fun and engaging than the other leagues I'm in.

Xiomera
04-25-2011, 12:49 PM
Way to go on the set up Xio. The fact that we can do adds/drops on a daily basis makes it way more fun and engaging than the other leagues I'm in.

It's the only way I'd ever do it.

Xiomera
04-25-2011, 12:50 PM
Anyone want to trade?

I'm seeking more RBI and Strikeouts. Have a surplus of speed (runs/steals) guys and saves.

D-Unit
04-25-2011, 02:41 PM
It's the only way I'd ever do it.
Yeah, it naturally makes me more active in this league. The others I only need to keep up with on the days before the waiver clear dates.

D-Unit
04-25-2011, 02:42 PM
Anyone want to trade?

I'm seeking more RBI and Strikeouts. Have a surplus of speed (runs/steals) guys and saves.
I'd like to trade for saves.

Xiomera
04-25-2011, 06:15 PM
I hope everyone is still setting their lineups regularly ...

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/46333/teams

bearsfan_51
04-25-2011, 07:16 PM
Everyone has given up; I can't blame them.

Xiomera
04-25-2011, 07:21 PM
Everyone has given up; I can't blame them.

I was within 10 points of you before Brian Wilson **** on himself yesterday. I will have caught you by mid-May.

D-Unit
04-25-2011, 07:26 PM
Everyone has given up; I can't blame them.
...pride cometh before the fall.

I'm right where I want to be...

bearsfan_51
04-25-2011, 07:36 PM
...pride cometh before the fall.

I'm right where I want to be...
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftk562o31qf8yek.gif

KCJ58
04-25-2011, 08:39 PM
It's Only F****** April

Xiomera
04-25-2011, 09:19 PM
It's Only F****** April

Wanna trade, KCJ? Or is it too early cause it's only April?

KCJ58
04-25-2011, 09:55 PM
Wanna trade, KCJ? Or is it too early cause it's only April?


the 2nd thing u said

Xiomera
04-25-2011, 10:45 PM
the 2nd thing u said

Enjoy the middle of the pack then. Gotta make efforts to improve in weaker categories in Roto.

bearsfan_51
04-26-2011, 10:16 AM
When Xio and D say they are bored and want to trade, what they really mean is they want to give you a mediocre player for a top 50 player.

Xiomera
04-26-2011, 12:59 PM
When Xio and D say they are bored and want to trade, what they really mean is they want to give you a mediocre player for a top 50 player.

I vehemently object to this statement.

Stop trying to discourage trading because you view it as a threat to your currently #1 team.

D-Unit
04-28-2011, 11:23 PM
Ben Zobrist got me 5 runs, 2 HRs, 10 RBIs, and a SB today. hahahahahahaha.

Xiomera
04-28-2011, 11:32 PM
Ben Zobrist got me 5 runs, 2 HRs, 10 RBIs, and a SB today. hahahahahahaha.

Only begins to make up for the rest of the month he's had ... haha

D-Unit
04-28-2011, 11:42 PM
Only begins to make up for the rest of the month he's had ... haha
Well, his OBP hasn't been good, but he's been more than fine other than that.

yodabear
04-28-2011, 11:48 PM
I'm in second places bitches!

Xiomera
05-04-2011, 03:24 PM
God damn it, every single time one of my two catchers homers, he's sitting on my bench. Same thing happened before I dealt Russ Martin.

Xiomera
05-04-2011, 03:25 PM
Anyone want Hanley?

bearsfan_51
05-04-2011, 03:59 PM
Yes, I want him.

Xiomera
05-04-2011, 04:12 PM
My pitching is pissing me off. Every pitcher not named Lester, Halladay and Wilson is on the block. Same goes for all my hitters not named Cabrera, Youkilis, Bautista and Ellsbury.

djp
05-04-2011, 06:34 PM
I'm looking for Runs and Homers. Basically just need hitting. Have an ungodly amount of starting pitching still available. I don't have the time or care to haggle back and forth so if you want to deal give me the framework and I will either accept or come with a counter offer. If it isn't to your liking, PM me and then we can talk.

Xiomera
05-05-2011, 03:45 PM
Anyone want Geo Soto?

Avila has made him expendable.

yodabear
05-05-2011, 04:44 PM
I just wanted to let u all know, I know I have injured players in my pitching slots. I am way over the inning limit, this was my strategery. I am in 2nd now.....don't question it lol!

djp
05-05-2011, 05:06 PM
Waiting for Pedroia, Price, and Felix to all get injured in an orgy together to continue the pattern my team has been on.

bearsfan_51
05-05-2011, 05:39 PM
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/499113/gyi0061187269.jpg

Giantsfan1080
05-05-2011, 05:56 PM
My team just sucks and it's not looking good that I can get out of the hole I've dug myself into.

yodabear
05-05-2011, 06:15 PM
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/499113/gyi0061187269.jpg

I really love that guy.

Jughead10
05-05-2011, 07:58 PM
I really love that guy.

Where the f was that when he was on the Yankees last year. Typical NL player. I'm also making moves up the standings. Watch out.

Xiomera
05-05-2011, 09:53 PM
My team just sucks and it's not looking good that I can get out of the hole I've dug myself into.

When hope is fading, make lots of trades.

I think it was Confucious that said that about his Fantasy team.

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 08:08 AM
Where the f was that when he was on the Yankees last year. Typical NL player. I'm also making moves up the standings. Watch out.

It's not like he was this good with the Astros last year. It just seems like he's fully healthy again.

KCJ58
05-06-2011, 02:03 PM
F the person who got Padilla off the wavier

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 02:09 PM
F the person who got Padilla off the wavier
I was really surprised I got him actually. I need saves like no other!

Still looking for more though. :/

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 02:14 PM
I was really surprised I got him actually. I need saves like no other!

Still looking for more though. :/

You know what you have to do then. :)

Jughead10
05-06-2011, 03:07 PM
I was really surprised I got him actually. I need saves like no other!

Still looking for more though. :/

I lucked out picking up both Santos and Sanchez before they were actually named closer.

Haha. I just saw that Yoda had 0 saves.

yodabear
05-06-2011, 03:56 PM
I lucked out picking up both Santos and Sanchez before they were actually named closer.

Haha. I just saw that Yoda had 0 saves.

And I am in 3rd place. Thats......wow haha. Thats bad.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 04:21 PM
I'll trade Farnsworth, Capps or Melancon.

Looking for starters to help me in the K, ERA, WHIP departments.

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 04:45 PM
I'll trade Farnsworth, Capps or Melancon.

Looking for starters to help me in the K, ERA, WHIP departments.
I'll give you Justin Verlander.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 05:01 PM
Pending trade. Hmm ...

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 05:04 PM
Pending trade. Hmm ...

Yup I took your advice.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 05:06 PM
Yup I took your advice.

You did. I remember the price being higher when I inquired a while back.

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 05:06 PM
Yup I took your advice.
...and I do admire Confucious myself sooo....

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 05:08 PM
You did. I remember the price being higher when I inquired a while back.

Should have waited me out then I suppose.

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 05:08 PM
You did. I remember the price being higher when I inquired a while back.
Somebody call the waaaambulance.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 05:11 PM
I didn't need those players. I have two top ten catchers and lead in saves by 10.

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 05:15 PM
By 6 saves. It will go to 10 though now that I dealt one of my guys.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 05:17 PM
By 6 saves. It will go to 10 though now that I dealt one of my guys.

Oh. It was ten the other day.

I'm not concerned about saves. I'm willing to trade some because at worst I would only stand to lose 1 or 2 slots in the standings there.

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 05:18 PM
I know I just wanted to talk a little trash since that's really the only category I was good at haha.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 05:20 PM
I know I just wanted to talk a little trash since that's really the only category I was good at haha.

BRING IT! At least you can smack talk Brodeur.

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 05:23 PM
BRING IT! At least you can smack talk Brodeur.

I can't even do that anymore. I'm in dead last as of today.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 05:26 PM
Don't worry. We start from scratch after next season.

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 05:38 PM
Don't worry. We start from scratch after next season.

Really already? I don't like that even though I'm in last. It gives me no incentive to even follow the league in a month.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 05:38 PM
Really already? I don't like that even though I'm in last. It gives me no incentive to even follow the league in a month.

Why no incentive to follow?

After NEXT season. And we may not be keeping 15 guys again. Might be a couple less.

If you guys are all against a re-draft, then we can reconsider, but that's been the plan all along.

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 05:43 PM
I have some nice young players that I can at least try to build around. I guess it depends on how many keepers.

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 05:58 PM
I don't see the need to start over. ...but part of me is alright starting over too. I like the current set up of setting your keepers and drafting. If we kept 10 in stead of 15 that might be enough to shake up the league if that's the intention of starting over.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 06:05 PM
I don't see the need to start over. ...but part of me is alright starting over too. I like the current set up of setting your keepers and drafting. If we kept 10 in stead of 15 that might be enough to shake up the league if that's the intention of starting over.

I was thinking of keeping 12. 10 is fine too if that is what people prefer.

The reason I thought we NEEDED to re-draft was because people would feel there isn't enough to do to improve their team from year to year. I don't want anybody thinking they can't win so they quit caring.

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 06:09 PM
I'd never quit as you know. I was just posting a hypothetical earlier. As long as we have a 10-12 keeper base I'm fine.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 06:13 PM
There were a ton of impact players in the draft even with all the keepers. I love trying to identify the players that are gonna break out or surprise people. Every one of us has 4-5 really good keepers, so keeping 10 should maintain an interesting, competitive league.

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 06:18 PM
There were a ton of impact players in the draft even with all the keepers. I love trying to identify the players that are gonna break out or surprise people. Every one of us has 4-5 really good keepers, so keeping 10 should maintain an interesting, competitive league.
Yeah, keeping 15 is definitely too much. When the first pick of the draft is Trevor Cahill... that sucks. ...though I was thrilled to get the Great Colby Rasmus!!!

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 06:28 PM
****! Hchu doesn't say a peep around here. The most boring member of the league... by FAR! ...and he picks up Julio Teheran today! Damn you Sneezy! That was slick.

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 06:30 PM
It's only a spot start though.

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 06:39 PM
It's only a spot start though.
Well that kind of makes me feel better on missing out on him.

djp
05-06-2011, 06:49 PM
How bout we decide on something and stick with it instead of saying "We might only keep 12 guys, we might keep 15, we might keep 10". It kind of destroys the idea of building your team when you don't know how many guys you are bringing from one year to the next.

If we want to re-draft, that's fine, too. Let's just figure it out now so we don't have people pissed off when they traded 3 guys for 1 to get down to 10 guys and find out they could have kept their players instead. Not saying it's a guarantee that it would happen but not the road we want to go down if we can avoid it. Agree or disagree?

Another idea would be, if we do want to re-draft, would be allowing teams to keep one pitcher and one hitter or something so this year isn't a complete sprint to the finish line knowing we're losing all our young guys anyways.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 06:52 PM
The plan has always been a re-draft following next season. Let's vote on that now.

And I have no problem keeping 15 again. As a guy toward the top of the standings, of course I'm cool with the status quo. It's people toward the bottom I'd worry more about losing interest due to stagnant rosters. Maybe I was totally wrong to think that would be the case.

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 06:59 PM
The plan has always been a re-draft following next season. Let's vote on that now.

And I have no problem keeping 15 again. As a guy toward the top of the standings, of course I'm cool with the status quo. It's people toward the bottom I'd worry more about losing interest due to stagnant rosters. Maybe I was totally wrong to think that would be the case.
I've been at or near the bottom the entire year and I don't want to start over.

I'm against keeping 15 though. That's too much. 10 is a good number, so that's my vote.

bearsfan_51
05-06-2011, 07:03 PM
I vote 15. Even people in the bottom of the league usually are more inclined to rebuild their teams rather than starting over.

princefielder28
05-06-2011, 07:07 PM
I'd prefer 10 keepers

djp
05-06-2011, 07:11 PM
I would vote 10 as well. 15 is a lot.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 07:12 PM
On initial reports, I'm thinking of making it 12 to split the difference.

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 07:12 PM
I vote for 10 as well as the last place team.

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 07:46 PM
It's lookin' like 10... no needing to split any vote.

Once I knew I wouldn't win 1st place last year, I strategized to lose hoping for a good draft. This year's draft sucked. I was expecting it to be better. Keeping 15 was too much. I don't think PF expected it either. Having the #1 pick and taking Trevor Cahill isn't gonna turn around the fortunes of a losing team. ...and as you can tell, PF's team is still struggling.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 07:49 PM
It's lookin' like 10... no needing to split any vote.

Once I knew I wouldn't win 1st place last year, I strategized to lose hoping for a good draft. This year's draft sucked. I was expecting it to be better. Keeping 15 was too much. I don't think PF expected it either. Having the #1 pick and taking Trevor Cahill isn't gonna turn around the fortunes of a losing team. ...and as you can tell, PF's team is still struggling.

We can wait a couple hours to let more people vote.

I think some people made some lazy picks in the draft. There were plenty of talents to be had.

Brodeur
05-06-2011, 07:51 PM
I'll go for 11, COMPROMISE.

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 07:58 PM
I'll go for 11, COMPROMISE.
Xio, who is this guy? Is he in our league?

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 08:00 PM
Xio, who is this guy? Is he in our league?

I was gonna ask the same thing of you ...

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 08:13 PM
I was gonna ask the same thing of you ...
6 years, 25K+ posts... seemingly all down the drain... tis a pity.

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 08:14 PM
I don't know what that means.

D-Unit
05-06-2011, 08:15 PM
I don't know what that means.
He's stopped posting here. Once in April. Only one this month (see post above)...

Xiomera
05-06-2011, 08:23 PM
Sounded like you were referring to me.

Giantsfan1080
05-06-2011, 09:35 PM
Leave Brodeur alone.

bearsfan_51
05-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Once I knew I wouldn't win 1st place last year, I strategized to lose hoping for a good draft.
Which is exactly why it should be as many keepers as possible.

yodabear
05-06-2011, 10:26 PM
I like to be on top! Altho, I got really lucky with some picks so far. I say 12 and split the difference!

Xiomera
05-07-2011, 12:32 PM
Anyone want Kevin Youkilis in a trade? I'm willing to deal him since I've got Bautista at 3B too. PM me.

Jughead10
05-07-2011, 12:41 PM
I'm for 12. I don't want a re-draft.

Xiomera
05-07-2011, 01:23 PM
Number of keepers voting:

BF - 15
PF - 10
DJP - 10
Xio - 15
GF - 10
D - 10 (I think)
Brodeur - 11
Jug - 12
HChu - 12
Yoda - 12

HChu
05-07-2011, 01:27 PM
I'm for 12.

yodabear
05-07-2011, 02:46 PM
Number of keepers voting:

BF - 15
PF - 10
DJP - 10
Xio - 15
GF - 10
D - 10 (I think)
Brodeur - 11
Jug - 12
HChu - 12

I said 12 as well.

Xiomera
05-07-2011, 02:51 PM
I think the consensus is 12, folks. That's 3 fewer than last year. Seems pretty reasonable.

D-Unit
05-07-2011, 07:31 PM
What happened to my trade with bf?

Xiomera
05-07-2011, 07:38 PM
What happened to my trade with bf?

I thought it went through ..

There's no way it got vetoed. And even if it did, it would have said that on the main page.

D-Unit
05-07-2011, 07:52 PM
I thought it went through ..

There's no way it got vetoed. And even if it did, it would have said that on the main page.
Figured it out. It was a 2 for 1 deal and I didn't have an empty spot. I dropped Jerry Sands just now. Can you push the trade through?

Xiomera
05-07-2011, 08:05 PM
I'll run the trade tomorrow when it allows me to. Can't cause Ortiz is in your lineup today.

D-Unit
05-08-2011, 01:42 PM
Leave it up to me to trade for a guy who goes on the DL the day the trade goes through.

I say the deal is nixed due to the player not passing the team physical. :/

bearsfan_51
05-08-2011, 03:41 PM
You can say whatever you want, that's ridiculous and you know it.

In fact, I'm not even sure what you mean. Young made numerous starts before I traded him and I had no knowledge of anything (nor did anyone else). I gave you a list of 5 guys, those were the two you chose.

djp
05-08-2011, 03:55 PM
You can say whatever you want, that's ridiculous and you know it.

In fact, I'm not even sure what you mean. Young made numerous starts before I traded him and I had no knowledge of anything (nor did anyone else). I gave you a list of 5 guys, those were the two you chose.

I think he was joking...

bearsfan_51
05-08-2011, 04:02 PM
I think he was joking...
He's not. Trust me.

D-Unit
05-08-2011, 05:33 PM
He's not. Trust me.
At that point I was being funny. I know you think I was serious because I sent you the PM asking if we could undo it, but I knew you would say no, that's why I came here making fun at myself. I didn't expect you to be mad that I asked, but it's all good. I'll live with my mistake.

Xiomera
05-08-2011, 10:12 PM
OK folks, we settled on keeping 12 players for next season after the league vote. That's down from 15 keepers this year.

Next question: Complete re-draft after next season? 12 keepers again? Maybe 2 to 5 "lifetime" keepers?

What do you guys want? We better decide so we can proceed accordingly.

Jughead10
05-08-2011, 10:14 PM
I'd rather just stay with 12 keepers. Rosters are large enough that you can change your team year to year and grab young guys.

Xiomera
05-08-2011, 10:16 PM
I'd rather just stay with 12 keepers. Rosters are large enough that you can change your team year to year and grab young guys.

I guess I'd be in favor of some keepers, but maybe not as many as 12 again. But I'll go with whatever the consensus is. I know some of you guys want to continue to value younger players for future success.

Giantsfan1080
05-09-2011, 07:05 AM
I'd rather just stay with the 12 keepers as well then having a re-draft.

D-Unit
05-09-2011, 02:49 PM
I'd rather just stay with the 12 keepers as well then having a re-draft.
Same. Maybe there will be a time when we all agree it's time to start over. But that time isn't close, imo.

djp
05-09-2011, 02:58 PM
Same. Maybe there will be a time when we all agree it's time to start over. But that time isn't close, imo.

I would agree with this.

Xiomera
05-09-2011, 03:03 PM
Proceed accordingly: We'll be keeping 12 players per season indefinitely.

D-Unit
05-09-2011, 06:09 PM
Verlander on the block. Looking for OF upgrades.

Xiomera
05-09-2011, 10:14 PM
Verlander on the block. Looking for OF upgrades.

You can have the Flyin' Hawaiian.

bearsfan_51
05-09-2011, 10:27 PM
I have lots of guys who play outfield better than Verlander.

D-Unit
05-11-2011, 03:51 PM
Looks like we have a trade to vote on.

yodabear
05-11-2011, 04:01 PM
Yeah its time for the trade police come.....woo! Yoda made a trade. However, hear me out. I am in last place in two statistical categories: stolen bases and steals. The guys I traded away don't get me those. The guys I get back, especially Ichiro and Fuentes, do. No, I am not an idiot, I asked for Jacoby and not Ichiro. Xio didn't wanna trade him. And I am a billion innings over the maximum. So I have to shred my starting pitching.

Jughead10
05-11-2011, 04:15 PM
Yeah its time for the trade police come.....woo! Yoda made a trade. However, hear me out. I am in last place in two statistical categories: stolen bases and steals. The guys I traded away don't get me those. The guys I get back, especially Ichiro and Fuentes, do. No, I am not an idiot, I asked for Jacoby and not Ichiro. Xio didn't wanna trade him. And I am a billion innings over the maximum. So I have to shred my starting pitching.

I like the trade.

djp
05-11-2011, 04:21 PM
I think Xio got the short end of that deal. Sizemore is hurt again.

D-Unit
05-11-2011, 04:28 PM
I think Xio got the short end of that deal. Sizemore is hurt again.
It's not serious... nor was it the same injured leg from the past.

The best trade is still the one I made with BF.

Chris Young out for the season. Laughing at myself right now. :D

Xiomera
05-11-2011, 05:04 PM
I think Xio got the short end of that deal. Sizemore is hurt again.

He's HURT!?

What!?

Xiomera
05-11-2011, 05:18 PM
It's not serious... nor was it the same injured leg from the past.

The best trade is still the one I made with BF.

Chris Young out for the season. Laughing at myself right now. :D

That isn't really that bad. Ortiz isn't the player he used to be. Straight up for one reliable pitcher isn't a big blow. There are replacement level players on the free agent list.

D-Unit
05-11-2011, 06:07 PM
He's HURT!?

What!?
I'll trade you for him.

Xiomera
05-11-2011, 06:10 PM
I'll trade you for him.

You'll trade ME for Grady Sizemore? Do you have that power? I don't play MLB ... yet.

bearsfan_51
05-11-2011, 10:08 PM
Yeah, I didn't think the Ortiz trade was bad at all, I was just clearly going over the innings limit.

D-Unit
05-11-2011, 10:34 PM
Yeah, I didn't think the Ortiz trade was bad at all, I was just clearly going over the innings limit.
Meh. Josh Tomlin had a hot start. He's bound to get roughed up here any moment now and expect him to send him to the waiver wire when it happens.

Ortiz hits in the middle of the order and will get you high OBP and above average power numbers and runs.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 12:01 AM
Can I get an explanation of why my trade was vetoed?

Frankly, it's pretty damn even and yoda gave a clear rationale for his motivation for making the deal.

Brodeur
05-12-2011, 12:06 AM
I don't see any problem with it really, it seemed like a balance trade for both sides. Ichiro and Marcum are fair enough value, and the corpse of Grady for Hill/Fuentes works. Now back into hiding I go.

djp
05-12-2011, 01:25 AM
I didn't veto.

Giantsfan1080
05-12-2011, 07:41 AM
I thought it was fair also and did not veto.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 09:31 AM
The absence of a few league members' commentary is conspicuous.

I want to know why this was vetoed or Yoda and I are running the same trade through again.

Jughead10
05-12-2011, 10:36 AM
I also did not veto.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 10:46 AM
It takes 4 or 5 (I forget) people to veto a trade. It's becoming pretty clear who must have voided it out and I want an explanation.

Marcum for Ichiro is dead even value. Sizemore = Hill + Fuentes. Where is the hitch, folks?

D-Unit
05-12-2011, 11:16 AM
The absence of a few league members' commentary is conspicuous.

I want to know why this was vetoed or Yoda and I are running the same trade through again.
Why are you acting like the league didn't vote on it? Nobody owes you an explanation. Stop acting like a baby. If you pulled a stunt like you are talking about, then I'd quit. You can't act so radical, especially as commissioner.

You act like there's no reason in the world why that trade shouldn't go through. Wake up buddy. How many saves do you project Fuentes to have for the rest of the season? How is he helping Yoda in saves? Yoda has Andrew Bailey for crying out loud. Fuentes is useless, the moment Bailey returns. You have so many great closers, but you couldn't find it in yourself to give him one of your legit ones. LOL.

Is Ichiro's age versus Sizemore's age a complete non-factor in this longterm keeper league? C'mon now. Ichiro is turning 39 years old in October!

...and don't think Marcum is some cheap ass liquor. We know better than that, even if Yoda doesn't. He's Yoda's best pitcher and you convinced him that he should follow some strategy that getting rid of his best pitcher is a good thing because he used up a lot of his innings. Hogwash! You stop playing or get rid of your BAD pitchers! NOT get rid of your GOOD ones. It's like cutting off your nose to save your face.

You got the two best players in the trade for your leftovers. The funny thing is you thought it was fair before you knew Sizemore got hurt!

This is not a good trade for Yoda. I got my trades with him rejected in the past and didn't make threats like you. I went back and tried to rework a new deal and that got rejected too. So just try to rework what you did before.

You guys rejected this:

Ben Zobrist/CJ Wilson/Brandon Beachy/JP Arencibia

for

Brandon Phillips/Alfonso Soriano/AJ Burnett

IMO, that's still a fair deal, but it was rejected. So yours getting rejected is no surprise buddy boy. Rejections aren't fun when it's your trades getting rejected. Maybe you get a little more lenience if trades weren't so viciously scrutinized in this league, but that's the way they have been. It's not likely things will change.

Maybe I rejected your trade, maybe I didn't. It doesn't matter. It got rejected by sufficient league vote. Quit cryin'. Rework it. Get him a legit closer... or include Ellsbury instead or Ichiro... or Ichiro/Hill for Marcum...

Sizemore and Marcum are worth more than what you gave up.

D-Unit
05-12-2011, 11:17 AM
It takes 4 or 5 (I forget) people to veto a trade. It's becoming pretty clear who must have voided it out and I want an explanation.

Marcum for Ichiro is dead even value. Sizemore = Hill + Fuentes. Where is the hitch, folks?
Green means go. Red means stop. :D

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 11:19 AM
Green means go. Red means stop. :D

Can you explain it further than that?

I have you trying to acquire Hill and someone else has currently offered me a deal for Fuentes on Yahoo, so clearly those players are popular enough.

Yoda has a serious need for saves and steals. Grady won't get him either of those.

Frankly, I'm not even sure which side you think is getting the short end of the deal. That's how even this trade is in reality.

D-Unit
05-12-2011, 11:35 AM
Can you explain it further than that?

I have you trying to acquire Hill and someone else has currently offered me a deal for Fuentes on Yahoo, so clearly those players are popular enough.

Yoda has a serious need for saves and steals. Grady won't get him either of those.

Frankly, I'm not even sure which side you think is getting the short end of the deal. That's how even this trade is in reality.
We talked about Hill for Porcello, but I didn't want to do it in the end. Marcum is way better than Porcello, so Ichiro/Hill for Marcum makes sense to me as I said in my other post... but I did say I would accept an Ichiro for Marcum deal as I highlighted in green... so I'm not totally Nazi against the thought.

Fuentes is not gonna rack up more than a handful of Saves going forward. Stop acting like your changing his fortunes in that category.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 12:07 PM
We talked about Hill for Porcello, but I didn't want to do it in the end. Marcum is way better than Porcello, so Ichiro/Hill for Marcum makes sense to me as I said in my other post... but I did say I would accept an Ichiro for Marcum deal as I highlighted in green... so I'm not totally Nazi against the thought.

Fuentes is not gonna rack up more than a handful of Saves going forward. Stop acting like your changing his fortunes in that category.

Ichiro/Hill for Marcum is not a fair trade. Aaron Hill has 60 homers the past 2 years from the 2nd base position. How many does Sizemore have?

Also, Fuentes is more valuable when traded to Yoda becuase he is the owner of Andrew Bailey. This assures him of having all the Oakland save opportunities, and Bailey was quoted this week as saying he still has forearm discomfort when he throws. He needs saves. I don't see anyone else offering up closers given that everyone seems to want more saves.

Also, have you seen how many OFs Yoda has? He can afford to lose one. A starting four of Holliday, Hamilton (soon), Chris Young and Alfonso is among the best sets of players any of us is running out there at the position.

There's a rule of thumb is Fantasy Baseball that you don't veto trades unless they are very one-sided. There is no way you can make a case that this was such. You agree that the center of this deal (Marcum for Ichiro) is fair. How can the small parts be what you object to?

D-Unit
05-12-2011, 12:27 PM
Ichiro/Hill for Marcum is not a fair trade. Aaron Hill has 60 homers the past 2 years from the 2nd base position. How many does Sizemore have?

Also, Fuentes is more valuable when traded to Yoda becuase he is the owner of Andrew Bailey. This assures him of having all the Oakland save opportunities, and Bailey was quoted this week as saying he still has forearm discomfort when he throws. He needs saves. I don't see anyone else offering up closers given that everyone seems to want more saves.

Also, have you seen how many OFs Yoda has? He can afford to lose one. A starting four of Holliday, Hamilton (soon), Chris Young and Alfonso is among the best sets of players any of us is running out there at the position.

There's a rule of thumb is Fantasy Baseball that you don't veto trades unless they are very one-sided. There is no way you can make a case that this was such. You agree that the center of this deal (Marcum for Ichiro) is fair. How can the small parts be what you object to?
I don't feel that is the case in this league. Sorry. Not when 2 of my trades have gone rejected. There is precedence for this trade to be rejected and you were a part of setting up that precedence.

You know you can't sell Aaron Hill on his history. He's looked pathetic this year. You can't bash me on trying to trade Zobrist (constantly calling him terrible) and then promote Hill based off his past. Besides, he has Brandon Phillips, there's no need for Hill. ...so you sold him on the ole "handcuff" story with Fuentes, huh? lol. Clever. Give him a legit closer, not a handcuff. Fuentes would be a throw-in, nothing more.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 12:35 PM
I don't feel that is the case in this league. Sorry. Not when 2 of my trades have gone rejected. There is precedence for this trade to be rejected and you were a part of setting up that precedence.

You know you can't sell Aaron Hill on his history. He's looked pathetic this year. You can't bash me on trying to trade Zobrist (constantly calling him terrible) and then promote Hill based off his past. Besides, he has Brandon Phillips, there's no need for Hill. ...so you sold him on the ole "handcuff" story with Fuentes, huh? lol. Clever. Give him a legit closer, not a handcuff. Fuentes would be a throw-in, nothing more.

Aaron Hill was on the DL and now he is off. That is the only reason his numbers aren't there yet. Have you forgotten the player he's being traded for? It's Grady "I've been on the DL for 2 years" Sizemore. You yourself thought enough of Hill to engage me in trade talks for him. He's stolen 6 bases in 17 games. Already a career high and the Jays are running more than pretty much every team in baseball. It'll continue.

There is no overselling of players histories. It's an undeniable fact that Yoda owning Fuentes helps him in the category. What is it that you're worried about with him surrendering Sizemore? Grady hits some homers, doesn't steal bases and has to sit out more than your average player to hold up health-wise. Yoda is 2nd in the league in homers. He doesn't benefit by having him in his lineup when all he needs is more speed and steals to contend.

Your trades being vetoed has nothing to do with this trade other than you feel the need to spite me because I disagreed with them previously. There isn't an uneven number of impact players being swapped here as there was in your trade.

You being the only voice of dissent on this trade further justifies my belief that it's even. If someone else wants to chime in, go for it.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 12:41 PM
And just to stone cold solidify the other part of this trade, look at this for proof:

Ichiro Suzuki — ESPN player rater has him at the 13th best at his position this season: http://games.espn.go.com/flb/playerrater?slotCategoryId=5

Shaun Marcum — Also ranking 13th at his position: http://games.espn.go.com/flb/playerrater?slotCategoryId=14

In the Yahoo scoring system we employ, they are ranked #51 and #55 this season.

I lead the league in OBP and steals. Yoda is last in steals and among the top in ERA and WHIP and about 100 IP over the limit on his projection. The perfect remedy to each of our woes at this point.

Additionally, the reason for Yoda giving up Sizemore is that he can't start all of the outfielders he has at once if he gets Ichiro. D-Unit, He can use Hill as his INF slot if he wanted to. Don't just say he's got Phillips so he's all set forever at that position. Morneau blows, so he can easily be bumped from that slot until he ever comes around (which he might not).

D-Unit
05-12-2011, 01:11 PM
Aaron Hill was on the DL and now he is off. That is the only reason his numbers aren't there yet. Have you forgotten the player he's being traded for? It's Grady "I've been on the DL for 2 years" Sizemore. You yourself thought enough of Hill to engage me in trade talks for him. He's stolen 6 bases in 17 games. Already a career high and the Jays are running more than pretty much every team in baseball. It'll continue.

There is no overselling of players histories. It's an undeniable fact that Yoda owning Fuentes helps him in the category. What is it that you're worried about with him surrendering Sizemore? Grady hits some homers, doesn't steal bases and has to sit out more than your average player to hold up health-wise. Yoda is 2nd in the league in homers. He doesn't benefit by having him in his lineup when all he needs is more speed and steals to contend.

Your trades being vetoed has nothing to do with this trade other than you feel the need to spite me because I disagreed with them previously. There isn't an uneven number of impact players being swapped here as there was in your trade.

You being the only voice of dissent on this trade further justifies my belief that it's even. If someone else wants to chime in, go for it.
It's still early for others not chiming in, but who gives a damn besides you? Nobody owes you an explanation. Maybe they don't want to chime in because of the ramifications that you'll spite them just to get them back. Maybe they want to avoid your bully antics. But I'm not afraid of you. I'll speak my mind. I know you'll reject my trades if I responded here or not. That's the way you roll when it comes to me.

What do you mean it's an undeniable fact that Fuentes will help him in saves? He'll only help him as a handcuff. Is it an undeniable fact that Bailey won't finish out the season as the closer? Hell no. Get him a legit closer. You have many.

Don't try to sell Hill's history and ignore his DL stint and then cut short Sizemore's history and promote his DL stint. Yes, I asked about Hill and thought about giving up Porcello. In the end, I didn't think it was worth it. You act like I was begging for Hill. LOL.

I gave it some thought to accept your trade, but in the end, I felt like I'm helping Yoda by rejecting your trade. Stop crying because you didn't get to power up your team. Adjust the trade or move on. Your backtalk is probably the exact reason why others haven't decided to speak up. Nobody HAS TO put up with it. Your trade got rejected fair and square. Stop preaching. Stop threatening. Move on.

bearsfan_51
05-12-2011, 01:19 PM
Me thinks you doth protest too much.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 01:22 PM
DUnit wrote:
It's still early for others not chiming in, but who gives a damn besides you? Nobody owes you an explanation. Maybe they don't want to chime in because of the ramifications that you'll spite them just to get them back. Maybe they want to avoid your bully antics. But I'm not afraid of you. I'll speak my mind. I know you'll reject my trades if I responded here or not. That's the way you roll when it comes to me.Hey, I didn't reject either of your recent trades. Quite frankly, your deal with GF is looking pretty lopsided right now, too. Stop making **** up. I think your deals from earlier in the season got unanimously overturned. No one was posting "I didn't have a problem with it and I thought it was fair" as four people have now publicly said on this one.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 01:24 PM
I gave it some thought to accept your trade, but in the end, I felt like I'm helping Yoda by rejecting your trade. Stop crying because you didn't get to power up your team. Adjust the trade or move on. Your backtalk is probably the exact reason why others haven't decided to speak up. Nobody HAS TO put up with it. Your trade got rejected fair and square. Stop preaching. Stop threatening. Move on.

Shut the heck up with the complaining about me wanting an explanation. Do I need to go back and find the damn posts you made asking for the same justification for us vetoing your trade with Yoda earlier?

Giantsfan1080
05-12-2011, 01:40 PM
VMart is just on a hot streak don't bring me into this. Jay Bruce has way more long term potential as well.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 01:47 PM
VMart is just on a hot streak don't bring me into this. Jay Bruce has way more long term potential as well.

I didn't veto the trade, so I don't want to get into this either. I'm just defending my stance against D's accusation that I oppose everything he does.

D-Unit
05-12-2011, 01:49 PM
Shut the heck up with the complaining about me wanting an explanation. Do I need to go back and find the damn posts you made asking for the same justification for us vetoing your trade with Yoda earlier?
There's a big difference buddy boy. I didn't say "if you don't give me a response then I'll push the trade through again". tsk tsk tsk. There isn't room for bully antics. Don't ruin the league.

D-Unit
05-12-2011, 01:50 PM
I didn't veto the trade, so I don't want to get into this either. I'm just defending my stance against D's accusation that I oppose everything he does.
Fine. If you don't, you don't. Good.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 01:52 PM
There's a big difference buddy boy. I didn't say "if you don't give me a response then I'll push the trade through again". tsk tsk tsk. There isn't room for bully antics. Don't ruin the league.

Don't ruin the league? Yeah, cause that's what I want to see. My league that's existed for 7 years to go away.

I'm the one who wanted a re-draft in order to ensure that the competitiveness of this league remained after 3 seasons of some teams getting so strong they can't be beaten. Oddly, that logic was thwarted by people at the bottom of the standings, so clearly it's only a concern in my head.

D-Unit
05-12-2011, 02:15 PM
VMart is just on a hot streak don't bring me into this. Jay Bruce has way more long term potential as well.
Case in point. People don't want to get into the drama you want to create out of this Xio.

D-Unit
05-12-2011, 02:16 PM
Don't ruin the league? Yeah, cause that's what I want to see. My league that's existed for 7 years to go away.

I'm the one who wanted a re-draft in order to ensure that the competitiveness of this league remained after 3 seasons of some teams getting so strong they can't be beaten. Oddly, that logic was thwarted by people at the bottom of the standings, so clearly it's only a concern in my head.
Yeah, well trying to force that trade through again after it already was rejected once is a good way to hurt the league.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 02:18 PM
Yeah, well trying to force that trade through again after it already was rejected once is a good way to hurt the league.

I didn't propose it a second time and have no intention to. I had a right to an explanation. I always gave you one.

Xiomera
05-12-2011, 02:19 PM
Case in point. People don't want to get into the drama you want to create out of this Xio.

D, you're the one making the bold sweeping accusations about league ruining. There's no drama here. You got your outcome. Go on your merry way.

D-Unit
05-12-2011, 02:29 PM
I didn't propose it a second time and have no intention to. I had a right to an explanation. I always gave you one.
Yeah you only threatened to. It's the whole reason why I felt the need to speak up. I think you might've carried out on that threat if I hadn't either. You'll thank me later for saving the league from your Nazi threats.