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thebow305
02-20-2011, 12:19 PM
We needed a new thread for the 2011 Draft. So someone please sticky this.

Anyway, to get things rollin', it looks like we are certainly doing our due dilligence on Auburn QB Cam Newton.

Per Rotoworld and the Miami Herald:

"The Dolphins are reportedly "heavily researching" Auburn QB Cam Newton."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/20/2075886/plenty-of-qbs-running-backs-on.html

Da-Phins
02-21-2011, 02:24 PM
Meh not really a big deal. I would think every team is "heavily researching" if Newton is a franchise QB or not.

Grizzlegom
02-22-2011, 08:37 AM
Personally hoping that Newton ends up legitimately raising his stock to the top 10 as I don't really want him on our team. I just don't think he's going to succeed in the NFL and even if he does, I think he needs time to get there and while I think Henne deserves another year with a better supporting cast, I think if we took Newton he'd probably end up playing sooner than later because Ross wants to sell tickets and having Newton play is the best way to do that.

Overall my dream scenario is that we trade down in the first (maybe more than once depending) and acquire more picks. Its a good year to have multiple 2nd/3rd round picks as the value of players, particularly at positions of need, really falls off after the 3rd this year in my opinion. I'd love to trade back to the late 20s (even early 30s) and acquire a 2nd and maybe an extra 3rd. If we're picking back in the tail end of the first or early second it makes taking someone like Wisniewski or Pouncey much more tolerable (interior line is priority number 1 for me). I'd honestly be a little disappointed in staying put and taking Ingram just because I feel like RB is REALLY deep this year and grabbing someone like Carter, Thomas, Hunter, Williams, Todman, or Vereen with a 3rd round pick isn't much different than using a first on Ingram/LeShoure.

Grizzlegom
02-22-2011, 01:34 PM
How would everyone rank our needs? This is how I have it but I'd be interested in seeing everyone else's too:

Starter:
1. C
2. LG
3. RB (depth only if Ronnie Brown returns)

Depth:
4. Deep Threat WR (still think Hartline is decent in his role but would be nice to have him in the 4/ST ace like we wanted him to be when we drafted him)
5. QB*
6. Pass catching TE (I like the upside of the young guys we collected last year but wouldn't be opposed with using a top pick on one instead of gambling one of them develops)
7. Pass rushing specialist OLB (Wake needs a backup and insurance policy)
8. Swing OT (Nate Garner could be this guy but I still fear a serious injury to Long or Carey enough to list this as a depth need)

*I am one of those people that still thinks Henne can be a productive NFL QB if he has a running game but last year the interior line and playcalling really killed any ideas of a run game. That's why I put C/OG so high and QB so low. I don't think we can totally ignore QB, we need to bring in a veteran we can trust in case of injury and a young gun, I just don't think we need to take the young gun in the first two rounds.

I also think it would be nice to find a long-term replacement for Yeremiah Bell but that could be Jones, Clemons, or Amaya so I don't really think we need to address that quite yet. If we lose Soliai, NT becomes a higher need but I like Chris Baker as a developmental guy there so as long as Soliai returns I don't think we need to address NT. I'd actually be ok with the depth inside if we got a good C and LG as Berger and McQ would be solid depth guys, just not good full-time starters. Competition for Polite, Carpenter, and Fields (Carp and Fields more to prevent them from wearing down like they did this year since we had no other camp legs) is necessary but not a draft pick.

Potential Draft Scenario:
1 (15). Trade down and get 2nd round pick
1 (Mid-to-late-20s). Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
2. Ben Ijalana, OG, Villanova
3. Delone Carter, RB, Syracuse
4. Julius Thomas, TE, Portland State
5. Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson
6. Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
7. Craig Marshall, OLB, South Florida
7. Ricardo Lockette, WR, Fort Valley State

Through together that draft scenario real quick so don't be take it as gospel haha

PhinsRock
02-25-2011, 08:35 AM
Trade down

1. Stefan Wisniewski
2. Jordan Todman
3. Lance Kendricks
4. John Moffitt

O-line: Long, Moffitt, Wisniewski, Garner/Jerry, Carey
TE: Fasano, Kendricks, Shuler
RB: Ronnie, Todman, Hilliard, Sheets, Cobbs

Trade future 1st round pick for Kolb. Get a WR in FA (preferably Jacoby Jones), an OLB for depth in FA....And watch this team make the Playoffs.

thebow305
02-25-2011, 10:47 AM
How would everyone rank our needs? This is how I have it but I'd be interested in seeing everyone else's too:

Starter:
1. C
2. LG
3. RB (depth only if Ronnie Brown returns)

Depth:
4. Deep Threat WR (still think Hartline is decent in his role but would be nice to have him in the 4/ST ace like we wanted him to be when we drafted him)
5. QB*
6. Pass catching TE (I like the upside of the young guys we collected last year but wouldn't be opposed with using a top pick on one instead of gambling one of them develops)
7. Pass rushing specialist OLB (Wake needs a backup and insurance policy)
8. Swing OT (Nate Garner could be this guy but I still fear a serious injury to Long or Carey enough to list this as a depth need)

*I am one of those people that still thinks Henne can be a productive NFL QB if he has a running game but last year the interior line and playcalling really killed any ideas of a run game. That's why I put C/OG so high and QB so low. I don't think we can totally ignore QB, we need to bring in a veteran we can trust in case of injury and a young gun, I just don't think we need to take the young gun in the first two rounds.

I also think it would be nice to find a long-term replacement for Yeremiah Bell but that could be Jones, Clemons, or Amaya so I don't really think we need to address that quite yet. If we lose Soliai, NT becomes a higher need but I like Chris Baker as a developmental guy there so as long as Soliai returns I don't think we need to address NT. I'd actually be ok with the depth inside if we got a good C and LG as Berger and McQ would be solid depth guys, just not good full-time starters. Competition for Polite, Carpenter, and Fields (Carp and Fields more to prevent them from wearing down like they did this year since we had no other camp legs) is necessary but not a draft pick.

Potential Draft Scenario:
1 (15). Trade down and get 2nd round pick
1 (Mid-to-late-20s). Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
2. Ben Ijalana, OG, Villanova
3. Delone Carter, RB, Syracuse
4. Julius Thomas, TE, Portland State
5. Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson
6. Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
7. Craig Marshall, OLB, South Florida
7. Ricardo Lockette, WR, Fort Valley State

Through together that draft scenario real quick so don't be take it as gospel haha

Wow, I'd be on the verge of suicide if that's how our draft ended up. One of the more bland drafts I've ever seen. Definitely see our FO pulling off something like that though.

I think our top need is obviously QB right now, but with little to no chance of Cam or Blaine falling to us, a trade down is both likely and essential to our success in this draft. We can grab a QB like Christian Ponder or Ricky Stanzi in the 2nd or 3rd, or maybe even Locker or Mallett depending on how far they fall on draft day.

In a trade down I could see us going a number of ways, maybe addressing the OL with a guard like Pouncey or an OT like Carimi or Castonzo depending on what we decide to do with Carey in the offseason. But OG and RB probably round off our two other biggest needs besides QB. Obviously RB becomes a higher priority if we let Ronnie AND Ricky walk as expected. I'm still holding out hope we reach a deal with Ronnie though.

Then the rest of the draft needs to be used to give us some more weapons on offense including a legit #2 WR like Leonard Hankerson, Titus Young or a guy like DeAndre Brown or Tandon Doss in the 4th or 5th. We also need a center that can come in and hold down that spot. We could use a tight end that can actually stretch the field behind Fasano and Shockey, who probably won't be around past this year. Then lastly add some depth at running back, linebacker and maybe even cornerback.

My list of needs goes like this:

1. QB
2. RB
3. OG/OT
4. WR
5. TE
6. ILB/OLB

And a draft like this, IMO would settle a lot of these needs:

(With Trade down)

1. Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
2. Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
3. Kendall Hunter, RB, Oklahoma State
4. Virgil Green, TE, Nevada
5. DeAndre Brown, WR, Southern Miss
6. Nick Claytor, OT, Georgia Tech
7. Alex Wujciak, LB, Maryland
7. Alex Green, RB, Hawaii

Quagmire
02-25-2011, 11:39 AM
How would everyone rank our needs? This is how I have it but I'd be interested in seeing everyone else's too:

Starter:
1. C
2. LG
3. RB (depth only if Ronnie Brown returns)

Depth:
4. Deep Threat WR (still think Hartline is decent in his role but would be nice to have him in the 4/ST ace like we wanted him to be when we drafted him)
5. QB*
6. Pass catching TE (I like the upside of the young guys we collected last year but wouldn't be opposed with using a top pick on one instead of gambling one of them develops)
7. Pass rushing specialist OLB (Wake needs a backup and insurance policy)
8. Swing OT (Nate Garner could be this guy but I still fear a serious injury to Long or Carey enough to list this as a depth need)

*I am one of those people that still thinks Henne can be a productive NFL QB if he has a running game but last year the interior line and playcalling really killed any ideas of a run game. That's why I put C/OG so high and QB so low. I don't think we can totally ignore QB, we need to bring in a veteran we can trust in case of injury and a young gun, I just don't think we need to take the young gun in the first two rounds.

I also think it would be nice to find a long-term replacement for Yeremiah Bell but that could be Jones, Clemons, or Amaya so I don't really think we need to address that quite yet. If we lose Soliai, NT becomes a higher need but I like Chris Baker as a developmental guy there so as long as Soliai returns I don't think we need to address NT. I'd actually be ok with the depth inside if we got a good C and LG as Berger and McQ would be solid depth guys, just not good full-time starters. Competition for Polite, Carpenter, and Fields (Carp and Fields more to prevent them from wearing down like they did this year since we had no other camp legs) is necessary but not a draft pick.

Potential Draft Scenario:
1 (15). Trade down and get 2nd round pick
1 (Mid-to-late-20s). Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
2. Ben Ijalana, OG, Villanova
3. Delone Carter, RB, Syracuse
4. Julius Thomas, TE, Portland State
5. Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson
6. Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
7. Craig Marshall, OLB, South Florida
7. Ricardo Lockette, WR, Fort Valley State

Through together that draft scenario real quick so don't be take it as gospel haha

I would say needs would be:

QB, RB, Speed WR, Interior OL, TE, ILB, OLB, S

I say a trade down or 2 could net them an extra #2 and a #3. Lets say to no. 18 with SD for a #3 and to #29 with Chicago for a #2 for my draft scenario.

As an aside, the 2 players I think they should consider and I think will move up by draft day to around the #15 spot would be Jon Baldwin and Kyle Rudolph. I think both will be big time guys who fill needs. I also think the OL positions will be taken care of with a big FA signing (whenever that is) A guy like a Blalock or Davin Joseph could be a target...

Anyway, here we go.

1 - Ryan Mallett
2 - Cecil Shorts
3a - Kendall Hunter
3b - Bilal Powell
4 - Virgil Green
After that, best available....

Da-Phins
03-18-2011, 02:24 PM
Is anyone else getting sick of seeing every mock having us take Mark Ingram? I mean seriously. Ingram isnt an elite back so why waste a top half pick on the guy? I just cant see how that would be a good pick. RB's are dime a dozen and we can easily find us a good back in the 3rd round. Now if we were able to trade down to mid 20's and pick up a 2nd, then I wouldnt mind Ingram but no way at 15th and without a 2nd rounder.

4U2NV
03-21-2011, 04:05 PM
Is anyone else getting sick of seeing every mock having us take Mark Ingram? I mean seriously. Ingram isnt an elite back so why waste a top half pick on the guy? I just cant see how that would be a good pick. RB's are dime a dozen and we can easily find us a good back in the 3rd round. Now if we were able to trade down to mid 20's and pick up a 2nd, then I wouldnt mind Ingram but no way at 15th and without a 2nd rounder.

I totally agree with you. It's getting quite annoying seeing Ingram's name in there in every mock. There's some great options for us in the 3rd round that would fill the exact same role, in my latest mock I've got us taking Ryan Williams there. I'm not even sure that Ingram is worth a 1st round pick in the first place. We have way more needs to take a RB that high.

thebow305
03-21-2011, 11:48 PM
I totally agree with you. It's getting quite annoying seeing Ingram's name in there in every mock. There's some great options for us in the 3rd round that would fill the exact same role, in my latest mock I've got us taking Ryan Williams there. I'm not even sure that Ingram is worth a 1st round pick in the first place. We have way more needs to take a RB that high.

You ould be onto somethign with that Williams pick. We've shown a ton of interest in him so far. Maybe we've cooled on taking Ingram so high and could be targeting a trade down to get a 2nd and getting Williams there in the 2nd. I'm on board, I love this kid!

4U2NV
03-22-2011, 01:16 AM
You ould be onto somethign with that Williams pick. We've shown a ton of interest in him so far. Maybe we've cooled on taking Ingram so high and could be targeting a trade down to get a 2nd and getting Williams there in the 2nd. I'm on board, I love this kid!

That would be perfect. Trade down to take a guard, get Williams in the 2nd and look for help on D in the 3rd.

bucfan12
03-28-2011, 10:55 AM
Don't mean to troll or anything, but as a Bucs fan, and hearings from certain boards, Miami may be looking to trade out of the 15 spot. Most mocks have Kerrigan going to Jacksonville at 16 and the Bucs have Kerrigan high on there board. As Dolphin fans, what do you think would be a reasonable trade up from 20 to 15? I was thinking a 1st, 3rd in this years draft, and 2012 5th round pick that can be a 4th with certain incentives.

I think Miami is a prime candidate for a trading partner with the Bucs who are going to covet a DE and to move up to 15 from 20 should not cost a 2nd round pick.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

Grizzlegom
03-28-2011, 11:41 AM
Don't mean to troll or anything, but as a Bucs fan, and hearings from certain boards, Miami may be looking to trade out of the 15 spot. Most mocks have Kerrigan going to Jacksonville at 16 and the Bucs have Kerrigan high on there board. As Dolphin fans, what do you think would be a reasonable trade up from 20 to 15? I was thinking a 1st, 3rd in this years draft, and 2012 5th round pick that can be a 4th with certain incentives.

I think Miami is a prime candidate for a trading partner with the Bucs who are going to covet a DE and to move up to 15 from 20 should not cost a 2nd round pick.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

Definitely think Miami is going to trade down but I'm not sure 20 is far enough. We REALLY want to get a 2nd round pick and there's a good chance there will be some great players on the board when we pick so I wouldn't be surprised to see a better offer come across that gives us that 2nd rounder.

Grizzlegom
03-28-2011, 11:43 AM
I totally agree with you. It's getting quite annoying seeing Ingram's name in there in every mock. There's some great options for us in the 3rd round that would fill the exact same role, in my latest mock I've got us taking Ryan Williams there. I'm not even sure that Ingram is worth a 1st round pick in the first place. We have way more needs to take a RB that high.

I think we're all sick of ingram there but fact is, nobody has Julio falling to us and nobody wants to put a big reach there like Pouncey or one of the QBs and nobody projects trades so its tough to find anything else.

FWIW, the two RBs I like the most are Jordan Todman and Shane Vereen. Lots of guys to like for a number of reasons this year so it should be interesting to see which one we end up with.

Grizzlegom
03-28-2011, 11:47 AM
Wow, I'd be on the verge of suicide if that's how our draft ended up. One of the more bland drafts I've ever seen. Definitely see our FO pulling off something like that though.


hahahaha, and this is why our opinions differ so much. i HATE flashy picks. I'm all about having a higher floor than a higher ceiling.

dolfan75071
03-31-2011, 01:11 PM
As we all know the Dolphins need SPEED (WR and RB) in a big way on Offense and Special Teams. They also need a QB to bring some competition to Henne. We could use OL help as well. IMO those are the top 3 needs for the fins and they all rate up there pretty high as far as needs. We could argue all day on which need is greater. Other needs include, TE, FS, NT and LB.

Here are a few players on my wish list. I am not 100% sure what round they are going to fall in but I hope the Dolphins take them.

RB Dion Lewis -- not real fast but VERY quick. Will be a very good change of pace/3rd down back and special teams returner.

RB Da’Rel Scott -- Fast RB with good vision and instincts. He also has decent lateral quickness.

There are 3 TE's that are intriguing to me. They are Jordan Cameron, Rob Housler and Schuylar Oordt. They are not your blocking TE types they are the pass catching TE's and will go in the late rounds. Jordan is my favorite of the 3.

MY QB wish list goes in order like this below.

Gabbert, Newton, Mallett, Kaepernick, Locker, Dalton, Stanzi, Devlin and then Van Camp.

The 1st 2 will be long gone before we pick at 15 but Mallett may be there. Do we risk a 15th pick here or trade down? I say trade down and keep sights on Kaepernick for a real late 1st rnd pick. If we miss the boat on the top 5 then Dalton and Stanzi may be available in the third and Devlin and Van Camp will be available in later rounds. I like Devlin but he may be more a west cost offense guy and not an option. Oh and lets not forget Enderle he could be a late round option too. I say the top 5 QB's listed above will be gone by early 2nd. This is why I would like to see the Fins trade down and pick up Kaepernick late first.

What say you?

dolfan75071
04-01-2011, 11:18 AM
Interesting tidbit from the Miami Herald.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/04/rbs-on-the-mind-in-meetings-in-the-later-rounds.html

Grizzlegom
04-04-2011, 08:07 PM
Did a forum mock elsewhere and here's how it turned out:

2. Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
2. Orlando Franklin, OG/OT, Miami (FL)
3. Jordan Todman, RB, Connecticut
3. Will Rackley, OG, Lehigh
4. D.J. Williams, TE, Arkansas
5. Traded for Vince Young
6. Ugo Chinasa, OLB, Oklahoma State
6. Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
7. Evan Royster, RB, Penn State
7. Harold Ayodele, NT, Emporia State
7. Frank Kearse, DT/DE, Alabama A&M

Traded around some here and there to acquire more picks/move up and down but overall I was really happy with the haul. Torrey Smith would become the number 2/deep threat we've been needing. Franklin and Rackley would compete for starting OG spots while Franklin could fill in at OT if Carey/Long had injuries. Todman would be, at worst, a COP back/KR while Royster would push Hilliard or be the third down back with his strong receiving and blocking skills. D.J. Williams would provide us with a receiving TE/H-Back which seems to be something the new OC wants to have. Chinasa would give us a pass rush specialist to backup Wake. Kearse would compete for McDaniel's old spot and Ayodele would compete for the backup NT position/give us a developmental guy as Soliai is a one-year wonder at this point and its not certain he'll get an extension immediately. VY and Potts give us an immediate competitor for Henne and a developmental QB as Pennington and Thigpen are likely to depart.

dolfan75071
04-05-2011, 09:39 AM
Nice trades and picks but unless there is a CBA before the draft there will be no player trades. Draft picks can be traded but not players. So the VY trade would not be possible.

I believe the pick all hinges on how they feel about Henne. If they feel he's only backup material they may take a chance on 1 of these 3 QB's late first -- Mallett, Kaepernick, or Locker. IMO all of those guys will go late 1st, early 2nd and Mallett may even go before that. Plus if Miami is going to take a chance late 1st on 1 of the 3 I would prefer Mallet or Kaepernick. So if Miami likes or wants 1 of those 3 they will prolly have to take that chance in the 1st. Mallet is moving up boards. His talent is overcoming all the issues/non-issues the personal stuff so he may be gone even before our pick at 15. Mallet to me is also a strong possibility if Miami stays at 15. He is meeting with the Fins next week.

If they feel Henne's the guy then 1 of the top OT's could be a strong possibility in the 1st. There is no doubt we need OL and a good right tackle would fit nicely and I like (Castonzo, Solder and Carimi). Tyron Smith will be gone. They could move Carey into RG. Or they could take Pouncey late 1st.

I really like the 2 backs I mention and know they can be had in later rounds. I am thinking 3rd or 4th but that is just a guess. What round do you see Da'Rel Scott and Dion Lewis going in?

If I am GM I trade down in the late 1st and pick up a 2nd rnd pick. Then with the late 1st, I take Mallet if he's there. If not I take Kaepernick.

My draftmas wish goes like this.

1st pick 15 -- trade
Late 1st -- Mallet QB Arkansas
2nd from trade partner -- Orlando Franklin, OT / OG, Miami (FL)
3rd # 79 -- Edmond Gates WR Abilene Christian
4th # 111 -- Jordan Cameron, TE, USC
5th # 146 -- Taiwan Jones, RB, Eastern Washington
6th # 179 -- Kris O'Dowd, C, USC
7th # 217 -- Dion Lewis RB Pitt
7th # 218 -- Terry Griffin NT Elizabeth City State
7th # 234 -- Keith Williams OG Nebraska

What say you?

Quagmire
04-11-2011, 09:11 AM
Well, we are 17 days and counting... I have begun to feel like some others that QB will not be an early priority (and I hope that is true). The only guy I could see them taking early (n/i Gabbert, Newton) is Stanzi. Just fits too much of the criteria for them to not consider him. If he somehow dropped to rd 3, I think he would be picked. Don't see that happening, though.

Anyway, in looking at the #15 spot, if no trade down winds up being available, I think there are 3 potential options... Pouncey, Aldon Smith and Ingram. They all have positives, but in the end, I think that I would rank those guys in that order, and I think Pouncey should be the pick, but not to play LG, not center. If Jerry winds up improving (and I think he will), that will give us 3 solid guys for the future of this line. I think Smith would be the next best option despite the more obvious offensive needs. Very talented guy who could be the perfect extra 3rd down pass rusher we need. Last would be Ingram. I just don't see any advantage to taking him when they could use picks in rds 3 to 5 to pick some guys who aren't that far behind him in potential....

Thoughts?

Jimmy
04-13-2011, 10:29 PM
Bros- just wondering what you think about the 4th slide of this article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/661965-deangelo-williams-the-next-great-denver-running-back-8-reasons?comment_id=4381441#comments

Do you think DeAngelo is a lock for the Fins or do you agree and think that you will resign Ronnie and/or Ricky

Quagmire
04-19-2011, 03:35 PM
I am really starting to think that they are not going to move down and that the pick will be Kaepernick in rd 1. As much as I would like Mallett to be the pick, I think Kaepernick "fits the suit" for them too much...

Grizzlegom
04-19-2011, 08:16 PM
Bros- just wondering what you think about the 4th slide of this article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/661965-deangelo-williams-the-next-great-denver-running-back-8-reasons?comment_id=4381441#comments

Do you think DeAngelo is a lock for the Fins or do you agree and think that you will resign Ronnie and/or Ricky

Delayed response but I don't see Ronnie returning. Regime has made a point to mention that durability is key for the RB position. Ricky might be brought back depending how the draft falls but I don't see Ronnie returning barring him getting zero interest in free agency. I think there's a ton of mutual interest for DeAngelo so I'd be surprised we didn't sign him as I don't think he'll get more money elsewhere. Honestly don't think the draft will affect free agency decisions though unless we double down on RBs early. They definitely want to add two to the mix that will definitely stick on the team. Whether its through draft, free agency, or re-signings.

Quagmire
04-27-2011, 07:58 AM
Well, I think Parcells screwed us last night. Have a feeling that what he showed is very similar to Dolphins board.... Some of the names were surprises..

Nate Irving - 1st rd
Dontay Moch - 2nd rd
Gabe Carimi - 3rd rd

There were many others referenced in the sun-sentinel article this morning, but I agree with the premise that the Miami board probably looks very similar to the one on TV last night.. That is all we needed.....

dolfan75071
04-27-2011, 09:28 AM
I doubt that Parcell's board hurt the Dolphins. I would imagine that several teams boards look the same.

Grizzlegom
04-29-2011, 08:50 AM
Pouncey it is. As much as I think its a reach, it fills what I considered our top need with the player that most think is the best in this draft so I can live with it. Sucks we couldn't make a trade. Only having one pick on day two sucks, tonight is where the true value of this draft lies.

thebow305
04-29-2011, 01:40 PM
Pouncey it is. As much as I think its a reach, it fills what I considered our top need with the player that most think is the best in this draft so I can live with it. Sucks we couldn't make a trade. Only having one pick on day two sucks, tonight is where the true value of this draft lies.

Agreed my friend, as usual. :)

Grizzlegom
04-30-2011, 05:50 AM
Thus far, it appears that Ireland's constant harping on speed in all his interviews and stuff was smokescreen cause we're still following the bigger is better Bill Parcells blueprint. Not gonna lie, when I saw we traded up I was freaking out, then I saw the terms of the deal and I was significantly less freaking out, then I saw that we took Daniel Thomas and not Mallett and my freaking outedness turned into bliss. After LeShoure, Thomas and Todman were the two backs I was in love with so I'm happy to come away with one of them.

thebow305
04-30-2011, 10:25 AM
For Pouncey, on the downside, I don't like him as a person and I will NEVER endorse an interior lineman in the Top 15. On the plus side, I think he definitely solidifies the entire offensive line as a whole, and for anyone that watched the Phins between last season and the season before could see how far our line fell off in between. We gutted the line last year and it was never the same. This should be a big step towards getting it back in that 2009-2010 level.

As for Thomas, I really like the player and I don't think it was a reach as he probably went right around where he should have. What I do have a problem with is giving away picks for him when there's a solid chance he would have been there at 79 and if not, there were still PLENTY of good backs we didn't have to give draft picks away for. However, He's probably one the most complete backs that were available at that spot and while I also really liked guys like Kendall Hunter, Jordan Todman, Taiwan Jones and Jacquizz Rodgers, I realize that each of those guys probably would have been much bigger risks in the first 3 rounds than Daniel Thomas. Each of them with the exception of Taiwan are under 5'9", and there are just not a ton of guys in the league that have been successfull at that size. As for Taiwan, I REALLY wanted him, Mallett or Hankerson when we traded up, but I see why they probably didn't want to place the reins of the backfield on someone who's still pretty slight, coming from a D2 school with not a lot of experience at the running back position. He's the homerun hitter we need, but he's probably not a starting running back in the NFL, at least not yet.

I definitely feel like I wanted Mallett at 62 because at that point I felt he was definitely worth the risk. But after talking with a buddy of mine, I came away thinking we have a VERY young offense and not so sure we have the infrastructure built with the uncertainty surrounding the QB position, the front office and the rebuilding of the backfield position to support a guy with such question marks surrounding him. When you sit back and look at the way they play, there's really not a HUGE difference between Chad Henne and Mallett and without the right enviroment to succeed, there's a good chance they both end up being the same player. And what would have been the point of going down that road.

As for Hankerson, I would've LOVED to pair him with Hankerson (who btw Washington took with our pick at 79) and give Henne a better chance to succeed, then take a TE and RB to surround him with in the 4th and 5th.

But overall I think we added two solid football players that WILL help this team, not the most exciting picks, but that's not who we are. And regardless of what these guys in the FO say every offseason, they always do the opposite so we're going to have to just keep that in mind from now on.

That being said, I hope we add some nice players here on Day 3. Guys like Quiz Rodgers, Taiwan Jones, Ricky Stanzi, Kendall Hunter, Edmond Gates, Noel Devine, Sam Acho, Tandon Doss, Virgil Green, D.J. Williams and Dwayne Harris could all be big time players and playmakers for us. Let's go get em!

dolfan75071
05-01-2011, 09:19 AM
Here are my thoughts on this draft.

What good is it to add a center that is athletic but not powerful when we're a power running team? What good is adding a speedy receiver if our QB can't hit him unless he's within 10 yards of him? What good is a RB that makes a lot of 10 to 20 yard runs if at the end of the play he fumbles? Believe me, if he had 6 fumbles last yr in college he'll have a whole lot more in the pros. He better get better at holding onto the ball.

So if we'd picked Ingram 1st, had the same move up and picked Mallett, then stayed Gates in the 4th we could keep Clay in the 6th and keep Kearse in the 7th and pick Derrick Locke RB (change of pace back) with our last pick. With that draft I would have been screaming for joy intead of screaming mad. AND we could have had it. THEN instead of trying to pick up a has been QB from another team and trading away more draft picks from next yrs draft (God please do not let them do that) we could have just got OL from free agency. THAT makes a whole more sense to me. We would have had a QB for many years to come and could have kept building from that. This coaching staff and GM screwed us out of the excitement Mr. Ross promised. I hope I am wrong but I doubt it. I give Irealnd and Co a C- for this draft. Sorry fellow Dolphin fans but we will be rebuilding yet again next yr.

draftguru151
05-01-2011, 09:57 AM
I liked the positions we addressed. The value of all the guys was about right. I liked the aggressiveness of moving up and getting the guys they wanted. The players definitely fit scheme wise. I just HATE Pouncey and Thomas. I think both can be solid players (Thomas less so than Pouncey), but screw solid players in the 1st and 2nd round. Really like the Gates and Clay picks though.

Grizzlegom
05-02-2011, 10:53 AM
I'm REALLY happy with this draft personally. As I've stated, I want to give Henne another shot and we finally went out and got some pieces for it. I thought interior line was our biggest need and we got the best one in this draft, Thomas was one of three backs that were on my 'man-crush' list so I was ecstatic to come away with him, Gates might have been my favorite pick of them all, finally a freaking deep threat to take advantage of Henne's deep ball. I like Clay, he's a good receiver and has more upside than any of the current TEs we have behind Fasano IMO. Kearse was my favorite small school sleeper in this draft and I LOVED that pick. Wilson is an interesting story and has special teams skills but he'll need to be out some established guys to make the roster and has an uphill climb so we'll see what happens.

Overall, I was happy with this haul. My only complaint is a lack of a developmental QB. Its tough to envision going into next season with just Henne and <insert veteran QB here>. We can still sign someone like Devlin, Portis, Potts, Tolzien, etc in free agency but with the lockout throwing things all out of whack, who knows if they'll get there in time to legitimately have a chance.

thebow305
05-02-2011, 01:24 PM
I liked the positions we addressed. The value of all the guys was about right. I liked the aggressiveness of moving up and getting the guys they wanted. The players definitely fit scheme wise. I just HATE Pouncey and Thomas. I think both can be solid players (Thomas less so than Pouncey), but screw solid players in the 1st and 2nd round. Really like the Gates and Clay picks though.

I just about agree with everything you said here. I like the aggressiveness as well, but wasn't so sure they needed to be aggressive in getting Thomas. I would've preferred to stay at 79 and take him if he was still there or go with another weapon like Taiwan Jones instead. If we were going to move up for Thomas, we should've done that for Ryan Williams or Mikel LeShoure, who I felt were perfect for us. Ryan probably went a little sooner than expected, which maybe could explain this, but LeShoure was only taken a couple spots before us and I feel like it was borderline negligent to not make a move there. Maybe Thomas was the guy they liked most, he's a solid player just not an exciting one.

I have to agree with Grizzlegom, Gates was definitely my favorite pick. Really thought he'd come off the board a lot sooner so I was excited when I realized he was still available and that we had finally gotten our deep threat. Maybe the fastest receiver in the draft.

A decent haul, but I definitely felt it could have been a lot better. Only time will tell I guess.

Grizzlegom
05-02-2011, 04:14 PM
I just about agree with everything you said here. I like the aggressiveness as well, but wasn't so sure they needed to be aggressive in getting Thomas. I would've preferred to stay at 79 and take him if he was still there or go with another weapon like Taiwan Jones instead. If we were going to move up for Thomas, we should've done that for Ryan Williams or Mikel LeShoure, who I felt were perfect for us. Ryan probably went a little sooner than expected, which maybe could explain this, but LeShoure was only taken a couple spots before us and I feel like it was borderline negligent to not make a move there. Maybe Thomas was the guy they liked most, he's a solid player just not an exciting one.

From what I saw/heard, they were really high on Williams, LeShoure, and Thomas so after Williams and LeShoure went, they half-panicked and felt they had to move up for Thomas. Remember, he's only player 2 years at RB ever so he's still got considerable upside.