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Shane P. Hallam
02-21-2011, 01:04 PM
Few things:

1. REMEMBER, not every team drafts strictly on need. Not every team drafts strictly on who you think fits each system. Some teams will surprise, overvalue or undervalue specific players.

2. REMEMBER, this is not how I see the value of the prospects but how I project the NFL to. Some of the players I am projecting based on what I think they will do at the combine, some, not so much.

3. Finally, a mock isn't meant to be EXACTLY what the draft will be. It actually is more useful as a tool to explore different situations and possibilities. I tweaked some of the "normal" picks we see (while keeping some,) to see how the situations will unfold themselves.


Round 1
1. Carolina (2-14) – Da’Quan Bowers DE/Clemson
2. Denver (4-12) – Patrick Peterson CB/LSU
3. Buffalo (4-12) – Nick Fairley DE/Auburn
4. Cincinnati (4-12) – Cam Newton QB/Auburn
5. Arizona (5-11) – Von Miller LB/Texas A&M
6. Cleveland (5-11) – AJ Green WR/Georgia
7. San Francisco (6-10) – Prince Amukamara CB/Nebraska
8. Tennessee (6-10) – Blaine Gabbert QB/Missouri
9. Dallas (6-10) – Marcell Dareus DE/Alabama
10. Washington (6-10) – J.J. Watt DE/Wisconsin
11. Houston (6-10) – Robert Quinn LB/North Carolina
12. Minnesota (6-10) – Cameron Jordan DE/Cal
13. Detroit (6-10) – Akeem Ayers LB/UCLA
14. St. Louis (7-9) – Julio Jones WR/Alabama
15. Miami (7-9) – Jimmy Smith CB/Colorado
16. Jacksonville (8-8) – Aldon Smith LB/Missouri
17. New England - from Oakland (8-8) – Gabe Carimi OT/Wisconsin
18. San Diego (9-7) – Tyron Smith OT/USC
19. New York Giants (10-6) – Martez Wilson LB/Illinois
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) – Adrian Clayborn DE/Iowa
21. Kansas City* (10-6) – Justin Houston LB/Georgia
22. Indianapolis* (10-6) – Mark Ingram RB/Alabama
23. Philadelphia* (10-6) – Anthony Castonzo OT/Boston College
24. New Orleans* (11-5) – Stephen Paea DT/Oregon State
25. Seattle* (7-9) – Corey Liuget DT/Illinois
26. Baltimore* (12-4) – Brandon Harris CB/Miami
27. Atlanta* (13-3) – Ryan Kerrigan DE/Purdue
28. New England* (14-2) – Cameron Heyward DE/Ohio State
29. Chicago* (11-5) – Christian Ballard DT/Iowa
30. New York Jets* (11-5) – Jonathan Baldwin WR/Pittsburgh
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) – Aaron Williams CB/Texas
32. Green Bay* (10-6) – Brooks Reed LB/Arizona


Round 2
1. New England - from Carolina (2-14) – Torrey Smith WR/Maryland
2. Buffalo (4-12) – Kyle Rudolph TE/Notre Dame
3. Cincinnati (4-12) – Ryan Williams RB/Virginia Tech
4. Denver (4-12) – Drake Nevis DT/LSU
5. Cleveland (5-11) – Allen Bailey DE/Miami
6. Arizona (5-11) – Nate Solder OT/Colorado
7. Tennessee (6-10) – Muhammad Wilkerson DT/Temple
8. Dallas (6-10) – Derek Sherrod OT/Mississippi State
9. Washington (6-10) – Jake Locker QB/Washington
10. Houston (6-10) – Phil Taylor DT/Baylor
11. Minnesota (6-10) – Ryan Mallett QB/Arkansas
12. Detroit (6-10) – Davon House CB/New Mexico State
13. San Francisco (6-10) – Christian Ponder QB/Florida State
14. Denver - from Miami (7-9) – Mason Foster LB/Washington
15. St. Louis (7-9) – Rahim Moore S/UCLA
16. Oakland (8-8) – Chykie Brown CB/Texas
17. Jacksonville (8-8) – Edmond Gates WR/Abilene Christian
18. San Diego (9-7) – Jeremy Beal LB/Oklahoma
19. Tampa Bay (10-6) – Lance Kendricks TE/Wisconsin
20. New York Giants (10-6) – Stefen Wisniewski OG/Penn State
21. Indianapolis* (10-6) – Ben Ijalana OT/Villanova
22. Philadelphia* (10-6) – Curtis Brown CB/Texas
23. Kansas City* (10-6) – Randall Cobb WR/Kentucky
24. New Orleans* (11-5) – Mikel Leshoure RB/Illinois
25. Seattle* (7-9) – Marcus Cannon OG/TCU
26. Baltimore* (12-4) – Leonard Hankerson WR/Miami
27. Atlanta* (13-3) – Titus Young WR/Boise State
28. New England* (14-2) – Ahmad Black S/Florida
29. San Diego - from New York Jets* (11-5) – Jerrel Jernigan WR/Troy
30. Chicago* (11-5) – Danny Watkins OG/Baylor
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) – Mike Pouncey OG/Florida
32. Green Bay* (10-6) – Rodney Hudson OG/Florida State





Round 3
1. Carolina (2-14) – Brandon Burton CB/Utah
2. Cincinnati (4-12) – Marvin Austin DT/North Carolina
3. Denver (4-12) – Luke Stocker TE/Tennessee
4. Buffalo (4-12) – Colin Kaepernick QB/Nevada
5. Arizona (5-11) – Kendric Burney CB/North Carolina
6. Cleveland (5-11) – Orlando Franklin OT/Miami
7. Dallas (6-10) – Curtis Marsh CB/Utah State
8. New Orleans - from Washington (6-10) – Bruce Carter LB/North Carolina
9. Houston (6-10) – Jeron Johnson S/Boise State
10. New England - from Minnesota (6-10) – Sam Acho LB/Texas
11. Detroit (6-10) – John Moffitt C/Wisconsin
12. San Francisco (6-10) – Jabaal Sheard LB/Pittsburgh
13. Tennessee (6-10) – Clint Boling OG/Georgia
14. St. Louis (7-9) – Taiwan Jones RB/Eastern Washington
15. Miami (7-9) – Kendall Hunter RB/Oklahoma State
16. Jacksonville (8-8) – Will Rackley OG/Lehigh
17. Oakland (8-8) – Dontay Moch LB/Nevada
18. San Diego (9-7) – Ras-I Dowling CB/Virginia
19. New York Giants (10-6) – Daniel Thomas RB/Kansas State
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) – Mark Herzlich LB/Boston College
21. Philadelphia* (10-6) – Quan Sturdivant LB/North Carolina
22. Kansas City* (10-6) – Kelvin Sheppard LB/LSU
23. Indianapolis* (10-6) – Greg Little WR/North Carolina
24. New Orleans* (11-5) – Colin McCarthy LB/Miami
25. San Diego - from Seattle* (7-9) – Jurrell Casey DE/USC
26. Baltimore* (12-4) – Jarvis Jenkins DE/Clemson
27. Atlanta* (13-3) – DeMarco Murray RB/Oklahoma
28. New England* (14-2) – Jordan Todman RB/UConn
29. Chicago* (11-5) – Johnny Patrick CB/Louisville
30. New York Jets* (11-5) – Kendrick Ellis DT/Hampton
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) – DJ Williams TE/Arkansas
32. Green Bay* (10-6) - Rashad Carmichael CB/Virginia Tech

AntoinCD
02-21-2011, 01:12 PM
Based on what we know about how the Pats draft it is very possible they don't take a pass rusher high in the draft. That being said Ryan Kerrigan seems to meet a lot of what Belichick looks for and would be a very good pick at 17. However it is a pretty realistic draft for the Patriots and one I wouldn't be overly disappointed in

TACKLE
02-21-2011, 01:15 PM
Few things:

1. REMEMBER, not every team drafts strictly on need. Not every team drafts strictly on who you think fits each system. Some teams will surprise, overvalue or undervalue specific players.

2. REMEMBER, this is not how I see the value of the prospects but how I project the NFL too. Some of the players I am projecting based on what I think they will do at the combine, some, not so much.

3. Finally, a mock isn't meant to be EXACTLY what the draft will be. It actually is more useful as a tool to explore different situations and possibilities. I tweaked some of the "normal" picks we see (while keeping some,) to see how the situations will unfold themselves.

What is this all about??? Mocks are intended to please every teams fans by giving them the best player at their biggest position of need who fits their scheme perfectly. What is all this projection stuff? ;)

Nice work Shane-o. Harris, Hank and Jenkins is alright. You can never go wrong with bringing in two Canes. I will say this about the Jarvis Jenkins pick...the Ravens run a lot of 3-4 over which almost ends up turning into almost a 4-3 and the DE opposite of Ngata (Corey Redding in our case) plays almost like a 4-3 LDE at times. I don't see Jenkins as someone really suited to do that and we have Art Jones (who the coaching staff is very high on) backing up Ngata. Now Jenkins is not out of the question at all and neither is a slight shift in our base defensive fronts with a change in coordinator. Just thought it was something that should be noted.

Shane P. Hallam
02-21-2011, 01:20 PM
Gotcha. I think Jenkins versatility will make him more valued by Baltimore than anyone else. I feel he could play anywhere on their defensive line due to the scheme. Move inside to nose, play outside, back-up Ngata, etc.

akvikefan89
02-21-2011, 01:23 PM
Cameron Jordan and Ryan Mallett. That is the bomb.

TACKLE
02-21-2011, 01:24 PM
Gotcha. I think Jenkins versatility will make him more valued by Baltimore than anyone else. I feel he could play anywhere on their defensive line due to the scheme. Move inside to nose, play outside, back-up Ngata, etc.

Agree. I've seen him projected to us on numerous occasions but mostly just as a 3-4 DE which seems a bit off schematically. Though I do like your idea of bringing him in as a versatile interior player.

T-RICH49
02-21-2011, 01:25 PM
why Cobb over Hankerson in the 2nd?just curious

Shane P. Hallam
02-21-2011, 01:25 PM
Agree. I've seen him projected to us on numerous occasions but mostly just as a 3-4 DE which seems a bit off schematically. Though I do like your idea of bringing him in as a versatile interior player.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see a 4-3 team bring him in as a Nose, or even specific 3-4 teams (Houston, etc,) bring him in as a Nose. He is versatile and I've talked to a few who think that will help him massively on draft day.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-21-2011, 01:26 PM
I'm all for Locker if it's the 2nd round or at worst a trade up into the late first. As for Watt would understand the pick but wouldn't be thrilled by it. Definitely would prefer Cam Jordan although really I wouldn't want any Dlineman at 10 other than Darreus. We have some decent bodies on the line and I think we would benefit more from another rush backer to go along with Orakpo like Quinn or a receiver above 6 feet tall like Julio.

Shane P. Hallam
02-21-2011, 01:26 PM
why Cobb over Hankerson in the 2nd?just curious

A bit more versatility. I think Pioli would take the risk of Cobb over Hankerson IMO.

fed36
02-21-2011, 01:28 PM
I like the Locker pick for the Skins - but only if like in your mock we take him in the second round. I do not think the skins need to take a QB in the first round as well. I really like Watt...but I think I would prefer to skins took Quinn and paired him on the other side of Orakpo. Good job overall.

Bengals78
02-21-2011, 01:38 PM
I love the Ryan Williams pick. But that's about the extent of me liking this one.

Matthew Jones
02-21-2011, 01:42 PM
I don't think the Patriots will pick Carimi - he's not a great fit for zone blocking, which is the cornerstone of Dante Scarnecchia's system. I'd argue he's easily the least athletic of the first-round offensive tackle prospects. New England will probably re-sign Matt Light unless his status as the team's player rep to the NFLPA prevents that somehow like it did for Kevin Mawae. Regardless, I think the Patriots pass on an OT in the first. Tyron Smith is a possibility given his experience at right tackle and athleticism though. I also think Castonzo, Solder, and Derek Sherrod are more likely than Carimi. They have the athleticism and technique that would intrigue the team. Ryan Kerrigan would be my choice there of course - great pedigree, intangibles, size, experience, production, etc. I think it'd be a perfect fit.

Heyward works at #28. I really doubt the Patriots will take Torrey Smith though. Not the kind of receiver the team usually targets, and they have much bigger needs than a receiver who's unpolished as a route runner and catches passes with his body. I'd have drafted Kerrigan, Heyward or Wilkerson, and Solder thus far. Solder reminds me of Vollmer a bit, so that could really appeal to the Patriots.

I could see Ahmad Black being the pick, but when New England fired Corwin Brown after one season working with the secondary and moved Matt Patricia from linebackers to safeties, I think that signaled that the team felt Meriweather wasn't being coached properly and wants to give him another chance with the team's most talented defensive coach, so Danny Watkins or Mike Pouncey would be better there. Acho is a great fit, I could see that but I don't think the Patriots will wait until the third round to get a pass rusher if they have an opportunity to land one earlier. Moffitt and Boling would be good fits at that spot. Todman is possible given Belichick's admiration for Randy Edsall.

My guesses based on who's left (keeping in mind team captains, seniors, system fit, size requirements, tendencies etc.):

1. Ryan Kerrigan
1. Cameron Heyward
2. Nate Solder
2. Mike Pouncey
3. Clint Boling
3. Shane Vereen

Shane P. Hallam
02-21-2011, 01:45 PM
I'm not hearing great things about Kerrigan and his NFL fit. Maybe that bodes well for NE picking him, but I'm not so sure there. Carimi could move inside to guard, and he COULD work in a ZBS if need be.

diabsoule
02-21-2011, 01:47 PM
I want to bathe myself in that Saints mock

coordinator0
02-21-2011, 01:48 PM
Nice work Shane-o. Harris, Hank and Jenkins is alright. You can never go wrong with bringing in two Canes. I will say this about the Jarvis Jenkins pick...the Ravens run a lot of 3-4 over which almost ends up turning into almost a 4-3 and the DE opposite of Ngata (Corey Redding in our case) plays almost like a 4-3 LDE at times. I don't see Jenkins as someone really suited to do that and we have Art Jones (who the coaching staff is very high on) backing up Ngata. Now Jenkins is not out of the question at all and neither is a slight shift in our base defensive fronts with a change in coordinator. Just thought it was something that should be noted.

Exactly.

Harris seems like he can project to a #1 CB which is what the team needs. I'd also say that Kerrigan and Reed could get a lot of attention as well. Our front office has stated a few times this off-season that tehy would like to improve the pass-rush across from Suggs and I'm not sure that we will be able to do that via free agency.

I'm liking Hankerson more and more for the Ravens. We still need an explosive receiver but we also need a guy who can play on the outside.

Jenkins would be a very good pick if Pagano does shift our 3-4 front into more of the traditional version but as it stands I'm not so sure about his fit like TACKLE said. Versatility is nice though and something Ozzie will surely covet.

Overall this would be a very nice first three rounds for the Ravens.

prock
02-21-2011, 01:49 PM
This would be a pretty awesome Vikings mock. I hate would Mallet in the first, but in the second he would be awesome.

CheeseKnuckles
02-21-2011, 01:50 PM
Wow I really like the Packers draft. The only thing though is I think OLB is less likely at #32 considering we will have Jones, Zombo, and Walden going to battle for a roster spot this offseason. Players I would like to see over Reed would be Torrey Smith, Wisniewski, Ijalana, Hankerson or LeShoure.

Otherwise I would be happy with this draft!

Matthew Jones
02-21-2011, 01:58 PM
I'm not hearing great things about Kerrigan and his NFL fit. Maybe that bodes well for NE picking him, but I'm not so sure there. Carimi could move inside to guard, and he COULD work in a ZBS if need be.

I don't think the Patriots would draft an offensive tackle at #17 overall to move inside to offensive guard and who "COULD" work in their system though. If they were dead-set on taking a guard (they should be), players like Pouncey, Watkins, or Wisniewski makes a lot more sense at the end of the first or top of the second. If we're talking about a tackle, any of the other guys would be a much cleaner projection.

derza222
02-21-2011, 02:10 PM
I could absolutely see the Jets' draft falling that way. To be honest I don't like Baldwin a whole lot, but he could definitely be a tall downfield threat and grow with Sanchez. Fits the role that Edwards played very well and would be a logical replacement, plus based on who's available and value it makes sense. Ellis would fit as well, both on the team and in terms of drafting philosophy. Could move around on the line where help is obviously needed and that's right around the range I expect them to try to address the DL based on how low a priority it's seemed to be since Ryan got here (in terms of the assets, financially and draft pick wise, they've allocated to the line despite there having been question marks at DE since he started). Not my favorite draft, but I definitely buy it as being realistic. Nice job.

fatmosh
02-21-2011, 02:15 PM
There has been a lot of talk about the Bucs taking a TE in Round 2 and I just don't see it, at all.

I would be very surprised if in the their first two picks they took something other than OL, DE, or LB.

vidae
02-21-2011, 02:43 PM
Oh Shaun E Hallum, great job for KC. I would prefer Hank in the second though!

gpngc
02-21-2011, 03:02 PM
I think Quizz goes before a lot of those backs in the 3rd... Someone is going to fall in love with him.

princefielder28
02-21-2011, 03:07 PM
Brooks Reed - love the pick!

Rodney Hudson - left guard is definitely a need but would prefer Moffitt

Rashad Carmichael - i like to see corner addressed, just not sure how i feel about Rashad

gpngc
02-21-2011, 03:08 PM
Also, I like where you have your QBs going. I wouldn't be surprised to see Locker fall even farther...

I could see Mallett creep back up though.

Don Vito
02-21-2011, 03:16 PM
I could see the Pats draft winding up looking something like that. I wouldn't want us to wait that long to pick up a pass rusher, but I am expecting it. I like Carimi and think he could play RT for us, but as ROP said he isn't an ideal fit for what we do. I still think he could be a great lineman for us. Heyward is a very good pick, I am not too high on Torrey Smith to us though. We need a big, physical receiver if anything. Tate isn't a finished product but he is in the mold of a deep threat, we don't have anyone resembling a physical wide receiver. I could see us taking Ahmad Black and that would be a pretty good pick, the same goes for Todman. Wouldn't be jumping out of my seat for either but I wouldn't be too disappointed, they are both good players we just have more important needs.


1. Ryan Kerrigan
1. Cameron Heyward
2. Nate Solder
2. Mike Pouncey
3. Clint Boling
3. Shane Vereen

Three OL, a 5-tech, and a pass rusher. I would be very happy with this.

AkiliSmith
02-21-2011, 03:27 PM
I can safely say I HATE all 3 Bengal picks. Yes they have taken chances on players with issues in the past. No they aren't going to draft 3 players in the first 3 rounds with major issues.

Williams is the only pick I could live with, only if his injuries check out. But I'm still convinced Benson gets re-signed.

Vince, I mean Cam Newton is the exact opposite of what they need at QB right now. The franchise cannot risk it's future on a QB with so many issues both on the field and off. Even if Palmer is gone.

Marvin Austin doesn't fill a need at all, Atkins and Peko are more than solid, and has way too many issues on and off the field himself.

I'm beginning to think people who do mocks for the Bengals just look for players with major character issues and pencil them in to them.

tjsunstein
02-21-2011, 03:45 PM
Not ecstatic about it but a definite possibility. Could see an OT in the first, though.

JFINK11
02-21-2011, 04:05 PM
I have to say my favorite part of this mock is Mike Pouncey in round 2. I dont necessarily want the Steelers to draft him even there because when I watch him I see good talent but certainly nothing in the same breathe as his brother. I see people putting him down around the late teens and just shake my head. This guy has talent and its not disrespectful to call him a 2nd round pick. How many true brother combinations actually work out in the NFL either? Props for not going with the consensus pick, one which I actually tab as lazy evaluating for a Steelers choice.

That being said, both Aaron Williams and Pouncey fill great needs and fit the type of thinking that is similar to the Steelers front office. They dont hate their offensive line nearly as much as the media does and I think the playoffs/pats have shown them their weakness and how important it is they take steps to dealing with it. DJ Williams though....doesnt really fit how we use a TE under Bruce Arians....although he is from the Colts coaching tree and if he can make DJ Williams half the player Dallas Clark is, i think management could live with that.

TheFinisher
02-21-2011, 04:55 PM
That's basically an ideal Dallas draft.

thebow305
02-21-2011, 05:17 PM
If we took Jimmy Smith at #15, I'd probably strangle everyone in the room, then myself. I'd LOVE an explanation for that pick. It makes no sense considering we have two of the youngest starters in the league, who have had their ups and downs but have also shown the potential to be special at times. Then we also have Nolan Carroll who we are developing at the nickel spot and could even possibly bring Will Allen back into the fold for cheap. I see that as more of a possibility than us taking a corner at #15. I'd be willing to bet good money that we won't take a defensive player in the first, let alone a corner who has no business in the top 15 IMO. Add to this that Stephen Ross has already said he would like to make the offense more explosive and exciting. How does a corner help out stagnant offense from last year? Please tell me how that pick makes any sense for Miami. Honestly, I'd love to hear it because I'm flabbergasted right now.

As terrible as that pick is, I would be ECSTATIC if we took Kendall Hunter in the 3rd, great all-around back could be the bell cow of our offense. Nice pick there!

Shane P. Hallam
02-21-2011, 05:34 PM
How does a corner help out stagnant offense from last year?


I think Jimmy Smith will pump himself into the Top 20 after the combine. I recognize Sean Smith and Vontae Davis. I don't find Smith very effective myself and plenty I've talked to feel the same way. You can correct me if I'm wrong there, and I may be, but it has to be on their radar. That being said, I don't find much offensive value at 15 and it would be prime position for Miami to trade down.

Seasonticketholder
02-21-2011, 05:56 PM
I want to bathe myself in that Saints mock

Really?! I do not. I would MUCH PREFER Ryan Kerrigan over Stephen Paea. We need a true NT. Paea is undersized and is too close to Sed Ellis.

In the second, I am cool with LeShoure. I am definitely cool wtih Bruce Carter in third third. With the second third rounder, give me Kenrick Ellis.

1. Ryan Kerrigan
2. Mikel LeShoure
3a. Bruce Carter
3b. Kenrick Ellis

This draft fills our top 4 needs.

TimmG6376
02-21-2011, 07:02 PM
I'm not hearing great things about Kerrigan and his NFL fit. Maybe that bodes well for NE picking him, but I'm not so sure there. Carimi could move inside to guard, and he COULD work in a ZBS if need be.

I've seen several people question Carimi's fit in the ZBS. I don't get it. Even though UW's backs are big and powerful the blocking scheme is in fact zone. So why would he not fit in a scheme he has been playing in for 4 years?

PhinsRock
02-21-2011, 07:14 PM
I don't understand Miami taking Jimmy Smith? CB is the deepest position they have on the entire roster. Vontae and Sean Smith were both very good in their second seasons, the organization LOVES Nolan Carrol who they see as their future nickel corner, and Will Allen re-structured his deal to come back in 2011.

If they do go Defense, it'll be OLB.

PhinsRock
02-21-2011, 07:15 PM
I think Jimmy Smith will pump himself into the Top 20 after the combine. I recognize Sean Smith and Vontae Davis. I don't find Smith very effective myself and plenty I've talked to feel the same way. You can correct me if I'm wrong there, and I may be, but it has to be on their radar. That being said, I don't find much offensive value at 15 and it would be prime position for Miami to trade down.

Sean Smith was dominant the 2nd half of last season. Much better than Vontae was.

Grizzlegom
02-21-2011, 07:32 PM
I think Jimmy Smith will pump himself into the Top 20 after the combine. I recognize Sean Smith and Vontae Davis. I don't find Smith very effective myself and plenty I've talked to feel the same way. You can correct me if I'm wrong there, and I may be, but it has to be on their radar. That being said, I don't find much offensive value at 15 and it would be prime position for Miami to trade down.

I agree on the overall value of Jimmy Smith but I'd have to agree with thebow and PhinsRock on Miami not targeting a CB. I honestly wasn't a fan of Sean Smith when we took him or for the first 1.5 seasons but he appears to finally be putting things together. He was actually outperforming Vontae Davis at the end of the season this year. I think the up-and-down careers of both Davis and Smith is the main reason they decided to bring back Will Allen on a restructured deal. Between Allen, Carroll, and Ness (two ST beasts they are high on), I don't think we'll target a corner early but at the same time, NOBODY saw them targeting a 34DE last year and they took Odrick.

Miami is hard to project though, I think that's why everyone just gives them Ingram. I honestly don't think there is any chance we are going to be picking at 15 on draft day anyway as we desperately want to get a 2nd round pick back and I agree with you, not really any good offensive value at 15 unless a RB or two boosts their stock to the point where we can justify taking them there.

Unbiased
02-21-2011, 08:09 PM
Even considering apology #1, Aldon Smith as a linebacker in a 4 man front seems worthy of head scratch. So was Alualu, but there weren't any real qualms about where he'd fit in a 4-3.

49erNation85
02-21-2011, 08:24 PM
Nice SF Shane.Ponder and Amuk is our two biggest need!

_YL_
02-21-2011, 08:29 PM
Oakland's biggest need is OL and not one pick goes to invest in one.

RealityCheck
02-21-2011, 09:39 PM
Shane, all the picks were great, but Carimi just sucked. Don't see us taking him there. Maybe at #33 or even #28, but... wow.

defensiveback23
02-21-2011, 11:27 PM
Not a fan of the Chargers' first pick nor do I think it is very likely. AJ Smith has tendencies, and selecting offensive linemen with high draft choices is not among them. I also do not think OT is that high of a need for them, Clary is a fa but they will likely retain him and despite what others believe about him, the Chargers like him and have stuck by him. In the event that they do not retain him, Dombrowski has the confidence of the team. I think there is a high probability they take an OT, but it will be like in years past when it is with mid to late round selections.

The team does like to take front 7 players high and they have a glaring need at DE. I like your philosophy of trying to gauge the unexpected, and AJ Smith has proven he is nothing if not a man who makes the unexpected decision, and I think that Corey Liuget would fit that bill well. He is not traditionally thought of as a 5 tech 34 end necessarily, but I think he could be a great fit within their scheme with his quickness and power. The pick would be reminiscent of Castillo's selection as it came out of nowhere but made sense on further evaluation.

I like the Beal selection but I think they would be hard pressed to pass on Sheppard in the 3rd.

Abaddon
02-22-2011, 12:08 AM
No OL for Oakland? lolwut?

gouldo
02-22-2011, 03:14 AM
Miami picking a CB in the 1st....Not a chance.

We need a playmaker/difference maker on the offence more than anything else. Our defence was ranked top 10 last year, and will improve again with Edds, Odrick & Carroll more than likely starting in 2011.

If we dont trade down in the 1st, then we will take the best player available for the offence. Be it the O Line or RB (Ingram probably), we need players on the points scoring side of the ball.

Poz51
02-22-2011, 08:42 AM
3. Buffalo (4-12) – Nick Fairley DE/Auburn
4. Cincinnati (4-12) – Cam Newton QB/Auburn
2. Buffalo (4-12) – Kyle Rudolph TE/Notre Dame
8. Dallas (6-10) – Derek Sherrod OT/Mississippi State
4. Buffalo (4-12) – Colin Kaepernick QB/Nevada
22. Kansas City* (10-6) – Kelvin Sheppard LB/LSU


As it is that is a very good Bills mock. A couple thoughts looking at it, Nix prefers players with a 2-3 years starting experience, so I do not think Fairley will be as high on thier board as many think (or in my case would like to think), personally I would love to have him and Carrington rotating at the 5 technique. I think they will overlook that aspect with Newton in that he played all last season and the year before (although it was in JUCO) and that he is a QB who seems to be a perfect fit with Gailey's system and having stated that they have no problem taking a QB, stashing him away and developing him. Honestly, objectively, Newton would benefit a ton from learning from Gailey and Fitzpatrick for a couple of years.
I love Rudolph as a prospect and player, and think he would be a great TE for this offense, and help diversify it. Having said that I am alot higher on Sherrod than most, and he also has the body of work Nix likes and I think would present a good dilema for Buffalo, and would also be very worthy of their second pick. Either way its a win for Buffalo and a good pick.
Kaepernick seems like a good fit with Gailey and I could see them taking him in the third to develop. Subjectively I dont like him, objectively I think his throwing motion seems really off to me, I think he's got some Tebow/Leftwhich type windmill action/arm drop, as well as accuracy issues, it could be me... I would much rather see if he is available in the fourth, or trading up for him or Shepard with one of thier 4ths. Shepard I think is the best fit for what they want to do defensively, they want a big LB to help stop the run, and showing up to the senior bowl at 250 gives him the size the Bills are looking for. Thats my .02, as it is, it would be a good draft.

Nalej
02-22-2011, 11:10 AM
I'd be pretty sad if the Pats wait til the third to address their biggest weakness.
With that said, anything is possible.
If I were to change one thing, it would be Sheard > Acho.

Dam8610
02-22-2011, 11:41 AM
Mark Ingram?! Total opposite of a Colts RB, plus Polian already tried addressing RB in an attempt to cover for his ****** OL (Donald Brown), didn't work, and he's been talking about the OL in some form or another since the end of XLIV. I don't see how he avoids addressing OL with his highest pick in 9 years, and given what's off the board, I'd say it's Sherrod there. That said, absolutely LOVE the 2nd round pick, and I'm hoping he'll last that long. If the Colts can grab him AND one of the first round OTs, they should end up with a nice bookend pair that can be around for some time. Rounding it out, Greg Little makes about as little sense as Ingram. The Colts are 5 deep at WR at the moment, and that's not counting TEs Clark and Tamme, both viable receiving threats. Based on who you have going where here, this is a more likely spot for a RB for the Colts, as DeMarco Murray is still on the board, and he has everything the Colts look for in a RB. That said, I think Addai is likely to resign with the Colts for a reasonable contract, so I doubt someone like Murray or Ingram would get decent playing time in their first season, unless of course they've just given up on Brown, which doesn't seem likely after just 2 seasons and the investment of a 1st round pick in him.

21ST
02-22-2011, 11:51 AM
Robert Quinn and Phil Taylor the the skins would be lovely

Diehard
02-22-2011, 01:50 PM
Solid draft for the Broncos. Nice work.

BeerBaron
02-22-2011, 02:59 PM
Note to self: Shane is actually Jerry Angelo.

That's probably as realistic as it gets.

wicket
02-22-2011, 04:46 PM
I want to bathe myself in that Saints mock

really, cuz I dont dislike the paea pick and im fine with the carter pick but I HATE the LeShoure pick and the McCarthy pick. I really flat out dislike mccarthey as a prospect and I dont like him projected outside at all either. Ive also been very vocal about the saints not needing a running back and if they happen to get one anyway, what sort of back it should be and LeShoure does not fit the profile of a back that thrives in a passing offense. He has also exhibited durability issues, which is the only conceivable excuse for drafting a running back anyway.

Matthew Jones
02-22-2011, 06:00 PM
really, cuz I dont dislike the paea pick and im fine with the carter pick but I HATE the LeShoure pick and the McCarthy pick. I really flat out dislike mccarthey as a prospect and I dont like him projected outside at all either. Ive also been very vocal about the saints not needing a running back and if they happen to get one anyway, what sort of back it should be and LeShoure does not fit the profile of a back that thrives in a passing offense. He has also exhibited durability issues, which is the only conceivable excuse for drafting a running back anyway.

The value on that pick is great, and LeShoure is a much better blocker and receiver than someone like Ingram. I doubt he lasts that long but I don't see that as an unrealistic pick at all. I'll agree with you on McCarthy being a bad pick though.

JFINK11
02-22-2011, 08:50 PM
The value on that pick is great, and LeShoure is a much better blocker and receiver than someone like Ingram. I doubt he lasts that long but I don't see that as an unrealistic pick at all. I'll agree with you on McCarthy being a bad pick though.

Agreed, LeShoure I think perfectly in that offense honestly. Downhill runner with some power and quickness. After watching tape on him I cant think of many better fits. Maybe the skins but not that early

RaiderNation
02-23-2011, 01:23 AM
I cant see us passing on Wisniewski in the 2nd, infact I would bet we will trade up for him if thats who we are indeed targeting. The fact that we hired his uncle as an assistant, we have a huge need at Center and he fits our scheme all point to him being in silver and black.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
02-23-2011, 09:56 AM
If the colts draft Ingram i hope there is a lockout

Tom Hagger
02-23-2011, 11:18 AM
If the colts draft Ingram i hope there is a lockout

I think Shane is just trolling no way he thinks the Colts actually take Ingram....right Shane....

wicket
02-23-2011, 12:02 PM
Agreed, LeShoure I think perfectly in that offense honestly. Downhill runner with some power and quickness. After watching tape on him I cant think of many better fits. Maybe the skins but not that early

disagreed, if there is a back to replace its either gonna be pierre thomas or reggie bush. Either way the back needed needs to be about as good of a receiveras he is a runner which LeShoure is not. It is possible that the saints al of a sudden go for 2 similar backs on the roster but they havent yet with Payton as a coach, he always had 4-5 different types of backs on his roster

ATLDirtyBirds
02-23-2011, 02:48 PM
This is pretty much my ideal Falcons mock. I'd be doing ************* back flips if it played out like that.