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SolidGold
02-24-2011, 08:52 AM
I don't have any updates but figured I might as well be the one to create the thread for this year's combine.

ElectricEye
02-24-2011, 09:31 AM
Weigh ins today right?

scottyboy
02-24-2011, 09:36 AM
i've been so swamped with school this just snuck up on me, wow

TACKLE
02-24-2011, 10:01 AM
Tyron Smith: 6'5 307, 36 3/8" arms, 11 inch hands.

It's good to see him officialy check in at that weight. I knew his arms were long but 36 and 3/8. That's just ridiculous.

DiG
02-24-2011, 10:31 AM
Tyron Smith: 6'5 307, 36 3/8" arms, 11 inch hands.

It's good to see him officialy check in at that weight. I knew his arms were long but 36 and 3/8. That's just ridiculous.

keep the info coming! thanks in advance to all who post results over the next few days as they happen.

ChiFan24
02-24-2011, 10:40 AM
I vowed not to fall for Tyron Smith, but those measurables.....damn. I'd take him over Solder, for sure.

Shane P. Hallam
02-24-2011, 10:44 AM
Chan Gailey was pretty candid from what I heard. He commented that he prefers QBs from pro style offense, and has faith in Fitzpatrick. They will use more 4-3 this year but use a hybrid, and pass rusher is a big need.

SRogers92
02-24-2011, 10:45 AM
That should help those mocksters out there.

Shane P. Hallam
02-24-2011, 10:51 AM
Rivera commented Panthers looking at 7-10 players at #1 (one who will be visiting is Cam Newton).

Spags said Rams will look at Randy Moss as a possible FA.

It's all coach speak stuff, but it is fun :)

TACKLE
02-24-2011, 10:56 AM
Gee, it sure would be swell if someone could sticky this thread for this week.

foozball
02-24-2011, 11:23 AM
Updates please!

Razor
02-24-2011, 11:37 AM
Does anybody know a twitter account that tweets the weigh-in results?

Shane P. Hallam
02-24-2011, 11:40 AM
Ijalana was 6'3, 317, 36 inch arms

Marcus Cannon down to 358 pounds

Kyle Rudolph 6'6, 259

Sniper
02-24-2011, 11:42 AM
Updates please!

I can guarantee you that they will be posted when they come in. No one's hiding info on here.

SimonRath
02-24-2011, 11:43 AM
I guess there is no chance Tyron Smith falls the the falcons pick now..

Shane P. Hallam
02-24-2011, 11:44 AM
Jeff Ireland stated Chad Henne is their starting QB.

ElectricEye
02-24-2011, 11:47 AM
Ijalana longer than expected. Good measurements for a potential right tackle.

Dam8610
02-24-2011, 11:48 AM
Tyron Smith: 6'5 307, 36 3/8" arms, 11 inch hands.

It's good to see him officialy check in at that weight. I knew his arms were long but 36 and 3/8. That's just ridiculous.

Wow, someone just vaulted up boards, provided he doesn't do terribly in the drills and athletic tests. How'd he look at the weigh in?

Ijalana was 6'3, 317, 36 inch arms

Marcus Cannon down to 358 pounds

Kyle Rudolph 6'6, 259

Disappointing news about Ijalana, some team is going to draft him high, definitely within the top 50 picks IMO.

ATLDirtyBirds
02-24-2011, 11:48 AM
I guess there is no chance Tyron Smith falls the the falcons pick now..

He's not someone we'd pick anyway.

A Perfect Score
02-24-2011, 11:49 AM
Do we have any idea how Cannon looked at 358? How did he carry it, did he just look fat, etc.

Shane P. Hallam
02-24-2011, 11:49 AM
Bucs GM Mark Dominik says team will tender free agents with less than 6 yrs as RFAs, including G Davin Joseph

cdmPSU17
02-24-2011, 11:50 AM
Jeff Ireland stated Chad Henne is their starting QB.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!11!

Shane P. Hallam
02-24-2011, 11:52 AM
Slippery Rock OL Brandon Fusco at 6'4 305

Matthew Jones
02-24-2011, 11:53 AM
Ijalana was 6'3, 317, 36 inch arms

Marcus Cannon down to 358 pounds

Kyle Rudolph 6'6, 259

DOWN to 358? Does this guy live in a Cheesecake Factory or something? How much did he weigh before? I was hoping he'd show up to the combine around 330.

Razor
02-24-2011, 11:54 AM
Do we have any idea how Cannon looked at 358? How did he carry it, did he just look fat, etc.

I guess we'll have to wait until he opts to run the 40 yard dash without his shirt on..

http://www.sportsagentblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/andresmith.jpg

Shane P. Hallam
02-24-2011, 12:01 PM
Wesyle Saunders a soft 6'5 270.

Mike Pouncey 6'5, 303, 32 1/4 inch arms.


Orlando Franklin 6'5 1/2, 316 35 inch arms

SenorGato
02-24-2011, 12:07 PM
Lots of long arms this year....

Why is Saunders at the combine?

Grizzlegom
02-24-2011, 12:14 PM
Jeff Ireland stated Chad Henne is their starting QB.

He did qualify by saying "Right now" and that we 'need depth' so I wouldn't read too much into this meaning we don't need another one.

SimonRath
02-24-2011, 12:14 PM
Lots of long arms this year....

Why is Saunders at the combine?

hes eligible to be drafted.

Grizzlegom
02-24-2011, 12:16 PM
Stefen Wisniewski 6'3" 313 33" arms. So much for small.

SenorGato
02-24-2011, 12:20 PM
hes eligible to be drafted.

Really? When'd that happen? A while back it sounded like he'd be lucky to go in the supp. draft...

ElectricEye
02-24-2011, 12:22 PM
Yeah, I thought Saunders was in limbo due to a paperwork issue.


Stefen Wisniewski 6'3" 313 33" arms. So much for small.


Now that's interesting. I thought he was maxed out at around 300. That's very good size.

SimonRath
02-24-2011, 12:28 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/14/nfl-declares-weslye-saunders-eligible-for-april-draft/

underscore
02-24-2011, 12:35 PM
Now that's interesting. I thought he was maxed out at around 300. That's very good size.

He graduated in December, I believe...so I'm sure he's been working out full time.

Razor
02-24-2011, 12:51 PM
DOWN to 358? Does this guy live in a Cheesecake Factory or something? How much did he weigh before? I was hoping he'd show up to the combine around 330.

According to Wes Bunting's twitter account he was playing at 375 lbs last season.. Jebus...

Babylon
02-24-2011, 12:53 PM
Ijalana was 6'3, 317, 36 inch arms

Marcus Cannon down to 358 pounds

Kyle Rudolph 6'6, 259

What's his schedule for the week?

PhillyBirds25
02-24-2011, 02:08 PM
Where are you guys getting these weigh in results at? Is there a web site I can follow for the weigh ins? I'm watching the NFL network but as usual its a bunch of bs instead of actual combine results.

Thanks

Grizzlegom
02-24-2011, 02:14 PM
I'm seeing all of these on Twitter. They are getting tweeted by Media-types that are there.

PhillyBirds25
02-24-2011, 02:22 PM
I'm seeing all of these on Twitter. They are getting tweeted by Media-types that are there.

I'm not twitter savy but I'm trying. Any particular names I should follow for the weigh in results?

Babylon
02-24-2011, 02:59 PM
I'm not twitter savy but I'm trying. Any particular names I should follow for the weigh in results?

So far Tyron Smith stands out with his length. Dallas had a great RT named Rayfield Wright who was one of the great tackles to play the game, Smith seems to fit into that athletic mold to me.

Razor
02-24-2011, 03:08 PM
So far Tyron Smith stands out with his length. Dallas had a great RT named Rayfield Wright who was one of the great tackles to play the game, Smith seems to fit into that athletic mold to me.

I think he means people to follow on twitter to get updates. The only guy I found on twitter posting the results rather quickly is Wes Bunting (WesBunting). The other media guys are mostly talking about the press conferences.

Babylon
02-24-2011, 03:11 PM
I think he means people to follow on twitter to get updates. The only guy I found on twitter posting the results rather quickly is Wes Bunting (WesBunting). The other media guys are mostly talking about the press conferences.

Sorry about that.

Hines
02-24-2011, 03:41 PM
Marcus Cannon scares me with his weight. He might have problems in the NFL with that. I would still use a second round pick on him, though.

Wiz really shot up boards with his weight IMO. I think he could play in all systems now.

Orland Franklin's measurements are a good thing as well IMO. Means he could play both guard and tackle.


I'm excited to watch the drills.

brasho
02-24-2011, 03:48 PM
It's possible that this site is updated on their weigh-in info.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants

SeanTaylorRIP
02-24-2011, 03:49 PM
If he did indeed play at 375 during the season that's crazy considering how good his feet looked at that weight. If he can get down to the 335ish range by seasons start you can only assume that his feet will be even quicker. I still love him and really his weight doesn't detract anything from me as a prospect. If anything it makes me more impressed with how he looked this year with extra unecessary weight.

A Perfect Score
02-24-2011, 03:51 PM
It's possible that this site is updated on their weigh-in info.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants

Did Devine actually weigh in at 180? That would be very interesting.

brasho
02-24-2011, 03:51 PM
THere are some weights that are right on with what was reported but there are some heights that I know are wrong. Kaepernick 6'6 when he was 6 4 5/8" at the Senior Bowl, Devine at 5'8 180 when he was 5'7 160... perhaps only the OL measurements are right and the rest are estimated?

Dam8610
02-24-2011, 03:53 PM
perhaps only the OL measurements are right and the rest are estimated?

That would make sense since they seem to be the only ones with any weights coming out at this point.

Zello
02-24-2011, 03:56 PM
Wow! Marcus Cannon is friggin' huge.

Babylon
02-24-2011, 04:10 PM
Robert Quinn at 254 pounds seems a lot lighter than advertised, does this make him an OLB in a 3-4? You would think he could have pounded down a few pizzas in his year off.

regoob2
02-24-2011, 04:13 PM
Robert Quinn at 254 pounds seems a lot lighter than advertised, does this make him an OLB in a 3-4? You would think he could have pounded down a few pizzas in his year off.

I called that months ago. With all season to prepare for this that is a huge disappointment.

TACKLE
02-24-2011, 04:17 PM
Robert Quinn at 254 pounds seems a lot lighter than advertised, does this make him an OLB in a 3-4? You would think he could have pounded down a few pizzas in his year off.

With his skill set and style of play, 3-4 OLB was always his best fit.

thenewfeature06
02-24-2011, 04:22 PM
Johnny White got an inviteeeeeeeeeeee!

I think he can be a solid guy, very strong legs.

Babylon
02-24-2011, 04:27 PM
If accurate, Patrick Peterson at 6-1 and 211 (probably rounding up the 6-1 at that) seems smaller than most would think but might actually help him more. To me if he was 220 there may have been some question about being quick enough. I think this is a good thing.

FloridaFootball1
02-24-2011, 04:29 PM
Quinn hasn't even weighed in yet.

ATLDirtyBirds
02-24-2011, 04:31 PM
Yeah, I'm guessing those are estimates. No way Devine got up to 180.

TACKLE
02-24-2011, 04:33 PM
Yeah, I'm guessing those are estimates. No way Devine got up to 180.

They are. Pretty sure only O-Line and TE's weighed in today.

FloridaFootball1
02-24-2011, 04:35 PM
and special teams, that's it

JohnCandy
02-24-2011, 04:48 PM
Derek Sherrod 6'5" 321lbs.

Nice size and hopefully he shows the added power.

Tyron Smith 6'5" 307lbs.

His weigh in will keep him away from the Bears.

Stefen Wisniewski 6'3" 313lbs.

That is some serious weight for what some people have described as an undersized C.

OG Marcus Cannon 6'5" 358lbs.

That is really big and will need to see how he moves, but a real weight risk if you cannot show up for the combine at less then 358lbs.

Babylon
02-24-2011, 04:52 PM
Derek Sherrod 6'5" 321lbs.

Nice size and hopefully he shows the added power.

Tyron Smith 6'5" 307lbs.

His weigh in will keep him away from the Bears.

Stefen Wisniewski 6'3" 313lbs.

That is some serious weight for what some people have described as an undersized C.

OG Marcus Cannon 6'5" 358lbs.

That is really big and will need to see how he moves, but a real weight risk if you cannot show up for the combine at less then 358lbs.

I'd drop Marcus Cannon from my board, too many lbs to deal with and given a fat new contract well you get the point.

Every time i see John Candy i crack up, whenever i get bored i pop "Stripes" into the DVD and LMAO.

brasho
02-24-2011, 04:58 PM
If he did indeed play at 375 during the season that's crazy considering how good his feet looked at that weight. If he can get down to the 335ish range by seasons start you can only assume that his feet will be even quicker. I still love him and really his weight doesn't detract anything from me as a prospect. If anything it makes me more impressed with how he looked this year with extra unecessary weight.

Fat guys that drop weight only right before the combine equals big red flags to me. They are and always have been humongous risks (figuratively and literally).

An O or DT coming into the league can realistically expect to gain 20-30 lbs in their first 3 seasons or so... and if Cannon were to gain 30, he'd be pushing 390 and out of the league. Take him off my draftboard, please.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-24-2011, 05:01 PM
Fat guys that drop weight only right before the combine equals big red flags to me. They are and always have been humongous risks (figuratively and literally).

An O or DT coming into the league can realistically expect to gain 20-30 lbs in their first 3 seasons or so... and if Cannon were to gain 30, he'd be pushing 390 and out of the league. Take him off my draftboard, please.

No that's because most OL coming into the league are trying to add weight to their frame. Cannon will be trying to slim down. There's a difference. Your talking about OT's who are 305ish with smallish frames. Also not sure where you get that 20-30 pound range.

JohnCandy
02-24-2011, 05:08 PM
Rodney Hudson 6'2" 300lbs is a nice weigh in for him and may push him into the top 40 picks maybe the 1st round.

no bare feet
02-24-2011, 05:13 PM
I dont think these weights will push anyone from the late 2nd to late first. It may just affirm for someone like Wiz, who some people thought was like 220lbs that he is indeed a larger dude and was worth a late first but still is worth it

brasho
02-24-2011, 05:13 PM
No that's because most OL coming into the league are trying to add weight to their frame. Cannon will be trying to slim down. There's a difference. Your talking about OT's who are 305ish with smallish frames. Also not sure where you get that 20-30 pound range.

It's a fact of playing the OL and DT spots in the NFL... these guys are very young and they are going to naturally grow. How many good 350 lb OL have come into the league and been able to maintain their weight and not eat themselves out of the league? Stockar McDougle? Aaron Gibson? Mike Williams? Toniu Fonotu? Andre Smith wasn't even 350 but he's already almost eaten himself out of Cincy.

Duffman57
02-24-2011, 05:13 PM
I'd drop Marcus Cannon from my board, too many lbs to deal with and given a fat new contract well you get the point.

Every time i see John Candy i crack up, whenever i get bored i pop "Stripes" into the DVD and LMAO.

It depends on how you describe fat. Is he heavy? yes, could he be a built 358, possibly. The way he carried his 375 (if the reported value is true) was FAR from fat. He's not a Terrance Cody. He looks alot like Marcus McNeil the way he carried his massive weight insanely well (no i'm not comparing the two, just looking at their build), though McNeil was 6'8". I'd love to have him as the Chargers next RT

brasho
02-24-2011, 05:23 PM
It depends on how you describe fat. Is he heavy? yes, could he be a built 358, possibly. The way he carried his 375 (if the reported value is true) was FAR from fat. He's not a Terrance Cody. He looks alot like Marcus McNeil the way he carried his massive weight insanely well (no i'm not comparing the two, just looking at their build), though McNeil was 6'8". I'd love to have him as the Chargers next RT

They said the same thing about Stockar McDougle, Aaron Gibson, and others.... big is big.... and 358 is too big to invest a high round pick on The only sure thing is with big players... you add one big player + one big contract and you get a giant mistake.

ElectricEye
02-24-2011, 05:32 PM
I called that months ago. With all season to prepare for this that is a huge disappointment.

Why? That's perfect side to potentially play in either scheme. Should be able to get up to 265 rather quickly if drafted by a 4-3 team, but his best fit is in a 3-4 and always has been.

Chidi29
02-24-2011, 05:34 PM
They said the same thing about Stockar McDougle, Aaron Gibson, and others.... big is big.... and 358 is too big to invest a high round pick on The only sure thing is with big players... you add one big player + one big contract and you get a giant mistake.

The weight has nothing to do with the issue of players "coasting" after getting a big contract. That can happen to any player regardless of weight. They get out of shape and are above their weight relative to their position.

It's all about the players work ethic and character. If that checks out clean, the number doesn't matter. I'll take that player at 358 (and like others have said, carrying it well) over a player that is 320 and go all Haynesworth once he signs the dotted line.

Honestly, 358 isn't that absurd. It just looks high because a lot of offensive lineman in the NFL are listed much lower on their bios. Casey Hampton, obviously a defensive lineman but a prime example, has been listed at 320 for years. Not a chance.

I remember a Steeler commenting in regards to Max Starks weight something to the effect of, "As long as you're under 370, coach doesn't care."

FUNBUNCHER
02-24-2011, 05:35 PM
AJ Green - 6'4 208#.

Thought he'd weigh in heavier.

Cam Newton 6'6 248#. A tank.

Nic Fairley - 6'5 299#

Noel Devine 5'8 180# How the heck to Devine put on 20# since the Senior Bowl???

Are the heights/weights listed on NFL.COM current???

A Perfect Score
02-24-2011, 05:36 PM
AJ Green - 6'4 208#.

Thought he'd weigh in heavier.

Cam Newton 6'6 248#. A tank.

Nic Fairley - 6'5 299#

Noel Devine 5'8 180# How the heck to Devine put on 20# since the Senior Bowl???

Are the heights/weights listed on NFL.COM current???

Only the OL and TE are accurate apparently. Everything is else is an estimate or previously reported.

PossibleCabbage
02-24-2011, 06:01 PM
OL, TE, and ST weighed in today.
QBs, WRs, and RBs weigh in tomorrow.
DL and LBs weigh in Saturday
DBs weigh in Sunday.

Scott Wright
02-24-2011, 06:02 PM
Here is a link to the sites coverage:

Draft Countdown's 2011 Scouting Combine Coverage
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/ScoutingCombine.php

brasho
02-24-2011, 06:03 PM
The weight has nothing to do with the issue of players "coasting" after getting a big contract. That can happen to any player regardless of weight. They get out of shape and are above their weight relative to their position.

It's all about the players work ethic and character. If that checks out clean, the number doesn't matter. I'll take that player at 358 (and like others have said, carrying it well) over a player that is 320 and go all Haynesworth once he signs the dotted line.

Honestly, 358 isn't that absurd. It just looks high because a lot of offensive lineman in the NFL are listed much lower on their bios. Casey Hampton, obviously a defensive lineman but a prime example, has been listed at 320 for years. Not a chance.

I remember a Steeler commenting in regards to Max Starks weight something to the effect of, "As long as you're under 370, coach doesn't care."

Casey Hampton came INTO the league at 320... then as I said before, he gained 30 lbs.... when Cannon regains his weight... and adds a few more... he's done.

Prove me wrong, please... Find me a guy that came INTO the league at 350 and was able to keep his weight down and didn't eat himself out of the league. It's hard enough to find guys that weighed more than 330 that didn't let their weight get out of control. Here is one certainty, any player weighing 330 or more has a healthy appetite, and they are 100X more likely to gain weight than lose or maintain it. This guy's weight has reportedly already been in the 370 range, that fact alone leads one to believe that he had plenty of excess weight to lose but didn't do it until he knew he was going to get onto a scale (and get paid).

Again, like I said, interior DL and OL gain massive amounts of weight during their careers. Guys like Kris Jenkins, who came into the league in the 320's and ballooned to nearly 400, are the norms, not the exceptions. These guys are already big to begin with despite being so young, weigh a ton... and they don't weigh a ton because they DON'T like to eat. They do...and then they eat more, and more, and more, and next thing you know they're out of the league.

brasho
02-24-2011, 06:04 PM
AJ Green - 6'4 208#.

Thought he'd weigh in heavier.

Cam Newton 6'6 248#. A tank.

Nic Fairley - 6'5 299#

Noel Devine 5'8 180# How the heck to Devine put on 20# since the Senior Bowl???

Are the heights/weights listed on NFL.COM current???

More importantly, how would he have grown an entire inch in that time?

FloridaFootball1
02-24-2011, 06:10 PM
More importantly, how would he have grown an entire inch in that time?



Seriously?

Scott Wright
02-24-2011, 06:12 PM
AJ Green - 6'4 208#.

Thought he'd weigh in heavier.

Cam Newton 6'6 248#. A tank.

Nic Fairley - 6'5 299#

Noel Devine 5'8 180# How the heck to Devine put on 20# since the Senior Bowl???

Are the heights/weights listed on NFL.COM current???

These are not accurate, those positions haven't even had their weigh-in yet.

Babylon
02-24-2011, 06:17 PM
Scott, where is Kyle Rudolph at in his rehabilitation?

bored of education
02-24-2011, 06:17 PM
Scott Wright, this is not the same since they are with out your bubblebuttesque descriptions :(

JohnCandy
02-24-2011, 06:33 PM
Apparently Derek Sherrod is carrying 321lbs. well and looks good with the added weight.

regoob2
02-24-2011, 06:36 PM
Why? That's perfect side to potentially play in either scheme. Should be able to get up to 265 rather quickly if drafted by a 4-3 team, but his best fit is in a 3-4 and always has been.
Thats very light for an every down 4-3 DE. He had all year to get to 265. He looks like more of a pure 3-4 OLB.

draftguru151
02-24-2011, 06:38 PM
He hasn't even weighed in yet.

regoob2
02-24-2011, 06:39 PM
He hasn't even weighed in yet.Im an idiot....

Scott Wright
02-24-2011, 06:44 PM
Scott, where is Kyle Rudolph at in his rehabilitation?

Sounds like Rudolph may be able to work out at some point prior to the draft.

descendency
02-24-2011, 07:05 PM
does anyone have the results yet? (and not just a few of them)

Iamcanadian
02-24-2011, 07:06 PM
No that's because most OL coming into the league are trying to add weight to their frame. Cannon will be trying to slim down. There's a difference. Your talking about OT's who are 305ish with smallish frames. Also not sure where you get that 20-30 pound range.

The facts are simple for GM's and scouts, Cannon played at 375lbs his senior year clearly indicating he has no commitment to staying in shape and to have expectations that he will try to stay in shape as a pro has no basis to rely on.
He has likely put himself into round 3 at best because pro football personnel people have zero respect for prospects who don't work hard to stay in shape.
It is one thing to come into the league as a 320lber and add muscle and strength to get up to 370, it is quite another thing to show up out of shape at the most important interview of you life.
It doesn't matter how much talent you have as a prospect if you have shown no interest in the past at getting into shape. It is a huge red flag and will drop him substantially in the draft.

JohnCandy
02-24-2011, 07:07 PM
Is it me or does the Rodger Saffold breakdown from last year seem a lot like Derek Sherrod from this year.

Pros

* Very athletic, agile, good quick movements, and comfortable in space
* Good footwork, moves laterally pretty well
* Could play any position on the offensive line except center, versatile build
* Smart player who understands angles, and does a good job picking up blitzes and stunts
* 4 Year starting experience in the *********
* Plays with great pad level, good knee bend, and creates proper leverage
* Quick, active hands
* Hard worker, leader on and off the fiel

Cons

* Height and arm length is not ideal, probably not a fit at left tackle
* Not very strong, more of a finesse blocker
* Isn't strong at the line of scrimmage, and doesn't anchor well against bull rush
* Isn't very aggressive, gives defenders too much space

descendency
02-24-2011, 07:08 PM
Rodney Hudson 6'2" 300lbs is a nice weigh in for him and may push him into the top 40 picks maybe the 1st round.

He doesn't pass the eye test, from what I've heard. Looks like a huge blob of fat.

gutman54
02-24-2011, 07:08 PM
How'd my kickers look?!!!??!?!?? I hope like average joe's at best, i need to feel like, when i look in the mirror, i could be an NFL player.

Scott Wright
02-24-2011, 07:14 PM
Check out my thoughts on some of the notables from today's weigh-in's:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/Buzz.php

regoob2
02-24-2011, 07:22 PM
Check out my thoughts on some of the notables from today's weigh-in's:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/Buzz.php

What do you think about Cannon playing at 375? Thats an ugly number.

Scott Wright
02-24-2011, 07:27 PM
What do you think about Cannon playing at 375? Thats an ugly number.

Honestly, I don't care what a guy weighs as long as he's effective.

Obviously 375 isn't ideal for Cannon, but watch how athletic he is in drills at 358.

A Perfect Score
02-24-2011, 07:28 PM
Any other interesting tidbits Scott? Im curious to hear how Hudson looked today.

Babylon
02-24-2011, 07:33 PM
Honestly, I don't care what a guy weighs as long as he's effective.

Obviously 375 isn't ideal for Cannon, but watch how athletic he is in drills at 358.

I hear what you're saying. Nate Newton was about 350 when he played for Dallas and was a multiple pro bowler, problem is there isnt much room for error if that car keeps turning into Burger King.

Iamcanadian
02-24-2011, 07:44 PM
Honestly, I don't care what a guy weighs as long as he's effective.

Obviously 375 isn't ideal for Cannon, but watch how athletic he is in drills at 358.

He going to drop in the draft no matter how athletic he is, at 358lbs and no guarantee he'll stay that thin, he will only be able to perform for a quarter or 2 at full speed and will be useless in the 3rd and 4th quarters of a game.
He reminds me of Max Jean-Gilles, the All-American OG from Georgia who after 4 years in the league only got to start this year because of injuries. Guess his weight when he entered the league -358lbs. He lasted till round 4 because of his weight issues.

Duffman57
02-24-2011, 07:52 PM
Casey Hampton came INTO the league at 320... then as I said before, he gained 30 lbs.... when Cannon regains his weight... and adds a few more... he's done.

Prove me wrong, please... Find me a guy that came INTO the league at 350 and was able to keep his weight down and didn't eat himself out of the league. It's hard enough to find guys that weighed more than 330 that didn't let their weight get out of control. Here is one certainty, any player weighing 330 or more has a healthy appetite, and they are 100X more likely to gain weight than lose or maintain it. This guy's weight has reportedly already been in the 370 range, that fact alone leads one to believe that he had plenty of excess weight to lose but didn't do it until he knew he was going to get onto a scale (and get paid).

Again, like I said, interior DL and OL gain massive amounts of weight during their careers. Guys like Kris Jenkins, who came into the league in the 320's and ballooned to nearly 400, are the norms, not the exceptions. These guys are already big to begin with despite being so young, weigh a ton... and they don't weigh a ton because they DON'T like to eat. They do...and then they eat more, and more, and more, and next thing you know they're out of the league.

I can name a few.

Marcus McNeil
Haloti Ngata
Paul Soliali
BJ Raji
Loadholt
shawn Andrews
Chris Kemoeatu

were the biggest guys who were high picks i could find since 03, and all of whom are in the 330 range now, that came into the league around 340 (Andrews came into the league at 366, dropped 35 lbs to his listed weight, dont know what he actually weighs who Cannon reminds me alot of.).

Again, you cant just assume because a guy is big, that he's gonna eat his way out of the league. There's many guys who come into the league and drop weight. Its not that hard with the professional help they give you, as long as you are willing to do what they tell you, which leads back to Character, nothing more, nothing less. If a guy is a money hog, then yeah, he's going to be albert haynesworth. He's one of the better character guys coming into the draft, so i dont have anything to worry about.

Chidi29
02-24-2011, 07:53 PM
Casey Hampton came INTO the league at 320... then as I said before, he gained 30 lbs.... when Cannon regains his weight... and adds a few more... he's done.

Prove me wrong, please... Find me a guy that came INTO the league at 350 and was able to keep his weight down and didn't eat himself out of the league. It's hard enough to find guys that weighed more than 330 that didn't let their weight get out of control. Here is one certainty, any player weighing 330 or more has a healthy appetite, and they are 100X more likely to gain weight than lose or maintain it. This guy's weight has reportedly already been in the 370 range, that fact alone leads one to believe that he had plenty of excess weight to lose but didn't do it until he knew he was going to get onto a scale (and get paid).

Again, like I said, interior DL and OL gain massive amounts of weight during their careers. Guys like Kris Jenkins, who came into the league in the 320's and ballooned to nearly 400, are the norms, not the exceptions. These guys are already big to begin with despite being so young, weigh a ton... and they don't weigh a ton because they DON'T like to eat. They do...and then they eat more, and more, and more, and next thing you know they're out of the league.

Again, you're looking too much into the number instead of the player himself. There are so many more factors that will determine how he will be able to manage his weight than the number he's at now.

For all we know, the TCU coaching staff was fine with him playing at 375 and there was no reason for him to drop the weight. Like I said, coaching staffs can allow their line to get that heavy. Cannon could have experience, for lack of a better word, of being able to stay at a target weight (if it was set at 380 and he always had to make sure he stayed under).

And if he's a hard worker who is going to make an effort to keep his weight in check, I don't see the problem. I understand the past history of heavy players, but I'm going to let the individual determine whether or not he can keep his weight in check. Not everyone else.

Plus, a lot of those big guys aren'tt hat mobile. Cannon is one of the more mobile "houses" in recent memory. He isn't like Herman Johnson who was huge, but was utterly immobile.

And using your theory of players gaining 30 pounds once they enter the NFL, if Cannon is able to drop to 345-ish for his Pro Day, he'd be back up to 375 for the NFL. As I stated before, there are plenty of players in the league that are around that weight.

Monomach
02-24-2011, 08:02 PM
More importantly, how would he have grown an entire inch in that time?

Maybe he opened one of those natural peener enlargement emails that were spamming up his inbox.

JHL6719
02-24-2011, 09:03 PM
Here is a link to the sites coverage:

Draft Countdown's 2011 Scouting Combine Coverage
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/ScoutingCombine.php




I don't see anything but names there. Did the OL and TE guys get measured?

PossibleCabbage
02-24-2011, 09:12 PM
does anyone have the results yet? (and not just a few of them)

There are no results to have yet. Thursday the OL , TE, and STs weighed in and did medical. Tomorrow the QB, WR, and RBs will do that, and the OL, TE, and STs will do interviews and "psychological testing."

There are no workouts until Saturday.

49erNation85
02-24-2011, 09:20 PM
Did any one catch the combine news on NFL N today?I'm watching my dvr of it.Some good in site.From the OL, DL , WR and other topics threw out the 3 hour segment.I was bummed they couldn't pray any more info on SF QB problem from JH from him being on set.

Bills2083
02-24-2011, 10:03 PM
Chan Gailey was pretty candid from what I heard. He commented that he prefers QBs from pro style offense, and has faith in Fitzpatrick. They will use more 4-3 this year but use a hybrid, and pass rusher is a big need.


I wouldn't put that much stock into what comes out of OBD's mouth anymore.
At the Senior Bowl, Bills GM Buddy Nix said that we are running a predominantly 3-4 defense with a few 4-3 looks. They'll be drafting and signing for a 3-4 defense, strictly.

cajuncorey
02-24-2011, 10:14 PM
tyron smith has made him the first offensive lineman off the board just by answering the only question about him and that was his weight.

Babylon
02-24-2011, 10:34 PM
tyron smith has made him the first offensive lineman off the board just by answering the only question about him and that was his weight.

The long arms never hurt for a tackle either, i've got him penciled in to the Cowboys at #9, not that anyone is hanging on my every prediction.

JohnCandy
02-24-2011, 10:44 PM
Does anyone like the increased size [321lbs.] that Derek Sherrod came in at?

For a player who's strength and anchor has been questioned I think that he needed to come in bulked up.

A Perfect Score
02-24-2011, 10:55 PM
Jake Locker's interview tonight on NFL Total Access was incredibly impressive. He showed excellent football intelligence talking about specific throws in specific games and dissecting defenses from memory. Sounded very comfortable with that sort of material.

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 09:17 AM
Not going to hit all the fractional heights, but here ya go:

Jamie Harper down to 233 pounds.

Gabbert: 6'4, 234

Mallet, 6'6 3/4, 253

Newton: 6'5 248


Ingram: 5'9, 215

Leshoure: 5'11 1/2, 227


AJ Green: 6'3 1/2, 211

Julio: 6'2 1/2, 220

Baldwin: 6'4, 228

Zello
02-25-2011, 09:59 AM
Supposedly Mallett is incredibly out of shape.

TheMorningZoo
02-25-2011, 10:05 AM
So much for Julio Jones being 6'4, but at least he is a solid 220

Halsey
02-25-2011, 10:05 AM
Is Mallett just too tall? I mean being tall is good, but there's a reason you don't see any 7 foot QBs. It's no surprise that Mallett isn't the most nimble guy in the world. His legs will be big targets in the NFL. If it's true he's out of shape, I'm not convinced he's even a 2nd rounder.

TimmG6376
02-25-2011, 10:12 AM
Jake Locker's interview tonight on NFL Total Access was incredibly impressive. He showed excellent football intelligence talking about specific throws in specific games and dissecting defenses from memory. Sounded very comfortable with that sort of material.

Saw that too. It was impressive. The pessimist in me tells me that there is no way in hell his agent let him do that interview without knowing ahead of time the kinds of questions he would get (allowing for some preparation). He did come off well though.

Sniper
02-25-2011, 10:12 AM
Ingram: 5'9, 215

Much smaller than I expected.

JoeJoeBrown
02-25-2011, 10:16 AM
Jake Locker's interview tonight on NFL Total Access was incredibly impressive. He showed excellent football intelligence talking about specific throws in specific games and dissecting defenses from memory. Sounded very comfortable with that sort of material.

I really think in the right situation, the kid will be good. He needs a good OLine and a few good WRs. And a bunch of time before seeing real action. He has a boatload of talent, but I think that his in game confidence is shot. Hopefully the right team can try and get him in the right mindset.

SolidGold
02-25-2011, 10:21 AM
I saw the Locker interview as well. I came away impressed. I still think the Redskins will draft him in the first even if Gabbert/Newton are available when they pick.

Grizzlegom
02-25-2011, 10:22 AM
Greg Little 6'2" and a half and 231 pounds.

Halsey
02-25-2011, 10:26 AM
Isn't 5'9 215 exactly what Emmitt Smith was? Freaky.

A Perfect Score
02-25-2011, 10:28 AM
Not going to hit all the fractional heights, but here ya go:

Jamie Harper down to 233 pounds.

Gabbert: 6'4, 234

Mallet, 6'6 3/4, 253

Newton: 6'5 248


Ingram: 5'9, 215

Leshoure: 5'11 1/2, 227


AJ Green: 6'3 1/2, 211

Julio: 6'2 1/2, 220

Baldwin: 6'4, 228

Green and Julio both bigger then I expected them to be. Ingram shorter as well.

Greg Little 6'2" and a half and 231 pounds.

230 at 6'2 for a guy who has been out of football for a year? That can't be good.

DiG
02-25-2011, 10:29 AM
Greg Little 6'2" and a half and 231 pounds.

any word how he looked? i think he played around 220.

Grizzlegom
02-25-2011, 10:34 AM
any word how he looked? i think he played around 220.

Apparently he interviewed well and has been working with MMA trainer. Haven't seen anyone say he was ripped or anything but from all the tweeting, it sounded like he was really impressive overall and not that it was bad weight or anything.

Grizzlegom
02-25-2011, 10:36 AM
DeAndre Brown 6'5.5 and 233 pounds.
Jernigan just under 5'9" and 185 pounds. Long arms and looked strong.
Torrey Smith just under 6'1" and 204 pounds.

A Perfect Score
02-25-2011, 10:37 AM
Is NFL Network actually showing the weigh ins or is this just twitter results?

BigBanger
02-25-2011, 10:38 AM
Jake Locker's interview tonight on NFL Total Access was incredibly impressive. He showed excellent football intelligence talking about specific throws in specific games and dissecting defenses from memory. Sounded very comfortable with that sort of material.
I agree. As much Jake Locker bashing as I have done, I really like the kid. I think he's a bit of a project, but the way he was basically called out by Mayock, in a nice roundabout way, and said this is what I've done to improve my footwork and base / drop back... he showed great maturity, accountability and the fact that he's smart and coachable. He's gonna kill it in the interviews.

He's easily my #2 QB in the draft behind Gabbert, but still only an early 2nd or late 1st kind of guy.

I also loved the breakdown Mayock did on Gabbert. He only talked about his positives and I want to see what he has to say about his ability to go through progressions instead of looking for the #1 option and then bailing out of the pocket, which I think he does too often. Mayock alluded to some of his issues by saying he's a catch, rock and throw kind of guy with limited footwork and limited NFL drop backs.

regoob2
02-25-2011, 10:39 AM
Is Mallett just too tall? I mean being tall is good, but there's a reason you don't see any 7 foot QBs. It's no surprise that Mallett isn't the most nimble guy in the world. His legs will be big targets in the NFL. If it's true he's out of shape, I'm not convinced he's even a 2nd rounder.

If just shy of 6'7" is 7 foot then is 5'9" = 6'2"?

Tim Metcalfe
02-25-2011, 10:42 AM
Anyone know what Solder officially checked in at?

A Perfect Score
02-25-2011, 10:42 AM
I agree. As much Jake Locker bashing as I have done, I really like the kid. I think he's a bit of a project, but the way he was basically called out by Mayock, in a nice roundabout way, and said this is what I've done to improve my footwork and base / drop back... he showed great maturity, accountability and the fact that he's smart and coachable. He's gonna kill it in the interviews.

He's easily my #2 QB in the draft behind Gabbert, but still only an early 2nd or late 1st kind of guy.

I also loved the breakdown Mayock did on Gabbert. He only talked about his positives and I want to see what he has to say about his ability to go through progressions instead of looking for the #1 option and then bailing out of the pocket, which I think he does too often. Mayock alluded some of his issues by saying he's a catch, rock and throw kind of guy with limited footwork and limited NFL drop backs.

I was blown away by the interview. Locker handled some serious critiques from Mayock very well and instead of coming back at him he just showed him what he worked on. Talking about the Oregon State game from memory was impressive as well. I've maintained throughout this process Locker is a Top 20 guy and Id be shocked to see him get past the Redskins, assuming Newton and Gabbert are off the board at that point. You've gotta think Minnesota at 12 is a realistic landing choice for him as well. That interview just further cemented in my mind that Jake Locker isn't the kind of guy you want to bet against having NFL success.

Grizzlegom
02-25-2011, 10:42 AM
Is NFL Network actually showing the weigh ins or is this just twitter results?

Mine are all twitter results from ppl at the combine. Not at home so idk if NFLN is actually showing stuff or not.

Don Vito
02-25-2011, 10:43 AM
I forgot DeAndre Brown declared. He is such an idiot and has injury concerns, but he could wind up being a huge steal for somebody if he cares.

Scott Wright
02-25-2011, 10:43 AM
Anyone know what Solder officially checked in at?

319 pounds, which is up a bit since the Senior Bowl.

Halsey
02-25-2011, 10:43 AM
Maybe I'm just getting carried away by Green, but it can be argued he has the absolute ideal build for a big play WR. We all like big WRs built like Baldwin and Jones, but it's not like Randy Moss and Jerry Rice were super muscular and 225lbs. Green may not be the best blocker or able to push around CBs, but he's built more for speed and quickness than jumbo WRs.

DiG
02-25-2011, 10:52 AM
Apparently he interviewed well and has been working with MMA trainer. Haven't seen anyone say he was ripped or anything but from all the tweeting, it sounded like he was really impressive overall and not that it was bad weight or anything.

thats what i like to hear. im hoping his build is kinda TO-esque

Babylon
02-25-2011, 10:54 AM
Saw that too. It was impressive. The pessimist in me tells me that there is no way in hell his agent let him do that interview without knowing ahead of time the kinds of questions he would get (allowing for some preparation). He did come off well though.

It's not politics where the candidate gets the questions ahead of time. These kids are going to have to answer a lot of questions this weekend without any notes, that's the whole point. Not a surprise how Locker handles himself, compared to the other top 3 he comes across as the adult of the group.

BigBanger
02-25-2011, 10:54 AM
NFLN has nothing but reruns of NFL Total Access from last night. The Jake Locker interview just ended.

DeepThreat
02-25-2011, 10:56 AM
Anyone have a link to all the OL weigh ins? I can't seem to find them anywhere.

Master Exploder
02-25-2011, 10:57 AM
Maybe I'm just getting carried away by Green, but it can be argued he has the absolute ideal build for a big play WR. We all like big WRs built like Baldwin and Jones, but it's not like Randy Moss and Jerry Rice were super muscular and 225lbs. Green may not be the best blocker or able to push around CBs, but he's built more for speed and quickness than jumbo WRs.

I've seen Green push around plenty of CB's during his career at UGA. I don't think that will be that much of an issue in the pros.

Babylon
02-25-2011, 11:14 AM
I've seen Green push around plenty of CB's during his career at UGA. I don't think that will be that much of an issue in the pros.

Green looks wirey strong to me, interested in the 40 but what the heck is there not to like with this guy.

jnew76
02-25-2011, 11:25 AM
NFLN has nothing but reruns of NFL Total Access from last night. The Jake Locker interview just ended.

Is it me or did Jake Locker look just a little taller than Mike Mayock?

BigBanger
02-25-2011, 11:36 AM
Is it me or did Jake Locker look just a little taller than Mike Mayock?
They both looked 6'2''

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 11:39 AM
Allen Bradford: 5'11, 242 pounds

Niles Paul: 6'1, 224

Tandon Doss: 6'2, 201

Dion Lewis: 5'6 1/2, 193

Kendall Hunter: 5'7 199

Noel Devine weighed in at 179

ATLDirtyBirds
02-25-2011, 11:41 AM
Surprised Ingram is only 5'9.

SolidGold
02-25-2011, 11:42 AM
Dion Lewis is small...any comparisons to MJD? Lewis must be built like a tank.

killxswitch
02-25-2011, 11:53 AM
Anyone know if Carimi has healed from his injury? He tweaked a hammy or something during the Senior Bowl. I'd really like to see him dominate the positional practices. IMO he is the best OT in this draft.

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 12:06 PM
He has, that injury was only a week to two week thing.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-25-2011, 12:09 PM
Surprised Ingram is only 5'9.

I don't really find that surprising.

703SKINS202
02-25-2011, 12:12 PM
Devine at 179, wow. That will help his stock some along with a good 40.

Don Vito
02-25-2011, 12:12 PM
I don't really find that surprising.

Yeah I could have bet on that one, I'm pretty sure the consensus for Ingram has been 5-9 215 for quite some time and probably around a 4.5 forty.

DiG
02-25-2011, 12:13 PM
I don't really find that surprising.

agreed. he has been listed through the years by bama at 5'10. i figured most of the time these guys are usually half an inch to an inch shorter than their listed height.

ATLDirtyBirds
02-25-2011, 12:16 PM
agreed. he has been listed through the years by bama at 5'10. i figured most of the time these guys are usually half an inch to an inch shorter than their listed height.


Wow, goof on my part then. I thought he was listed at 5'11.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-25-2011, 12:16 PM
Plus just watching him he looks short and stocky although part of that is with how he has good knee bend when he runs.

Grizzlegom
02-25-2011, 12:18 PM
Shane Vereen at 5'10" 210 pounds. Good size, hope he still burns.

TACKLE
02-25-2011, 12:19 PM
In no way does Ingram being 5'9 make him any less appealing to me.

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 12:19 PM
Todman just under 5'9, 203

Grizzlegom
02-25-2011, 12:20 PM
I still love Ingram for the Phins. That size doesn't bother me one bit, about the same height I expected and only a couple pounds lighter.

Don Vito
02-25-2011, 12:20 PM
Todman just under 5'9, 203

That is pretty good size for Todman if you ask me, someone might take him in the late second if he runs well. Still think he will be off the board in the third but I am a big fan of Todman's.

shylo3716
02-25-2011, 12:43 PM
I'm more interested in Patrick Peterson's measureables then anyone else. I hope he is 220lbs.

TACKLE
02-25-2011, 12:46 PM
I'm more interested in Patrick Peterson's measureables then anyone else. I hope he is 220lbs.

Well considering he told Scott his goal was to be down at around 207, weighing in at 220 seems unlikely.

TimmG6376
02-25-2011, 12:51 PM
It's not politics where the candidate gets the questions ahead of time. These kids are going to have to answer a lot of questions this weekend without any notes, that's the whole point. Not a surprise how Locker handles himself, compared to the other top 3 he comes across as the adult of the group.

No I wouldn't think he'd get the questions ahead of time but these guys are definitely coached by their agents on how to respond to a variety of possible questions. Too much money on the line not to.

LizardState
02-25-2011, 12:53 PM
Chan Gailey was pretty candid from what I heard. He commented that he prefers QBs from pro style offense, and has faith in Fitzpatrick. They will use more 4-3 this year but use a hybrid, and pass rusher is a big need.

I saw that too. Can afford to be candid coaching a team that is so bad, any win is called an upset by "those pesky Bills," lol. In bypassing a QB in this weak class of underwhelmers & fill one of the Bills' 227 other needs with their 1st pick.

When do the LBs/ DEs run? All eyes wll be on Dontay Moch is his 40 yd. dash.

shylo3716
02-25-2011, 12:54 PM
Well considering he told Scott his goal was to be down at around 207, weighing in at 220 seems unlikely.

When did PP have his interview with Scott? I've been on & off the site, but I haven't been on like I used to.

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 12:55 PM
AJ Green said his biggest weakness is "preparation." Errr....

TACKLE
02-25-2011, 12:59 PM
When did PP have his interview with Scott? I've been on & off the site, but I haven't been on like I used to.

PP made an appearance at Senior Bowl and Scott talked to him there. The weight is mentioned in one of the Senior Bowl blogs.

J255979-11nine
02-25-2011, 01:04 PM
AJ Green said his biggest weakness is "preparation." Errr....

Do you chalk that one up to stupidity or honesty?

TimmG6376
02-25-2011, 01:05 PM
AJ Green said his biggest weakness is "preparation." Errr....

Tom Condon just did a facepalm

DiG
02-25-2011, 01:07 PM
AJ Green said his biggest weakness is "preparation." Errr....

ha sounds like he doesnt wanna be a bengal or brown...

gpngc
02-25-2011, 01:07 PM
Honesty. First of all, he's a WR so it's not like he's preparing for anything besides coverage tendencies (which are usually similar from teams game-to-game in college). He dictates how CBs will play him. They need to prepare for him more than the other way around.

Also, this is a very correctable weakness. He can and will improve. I'd rather have a guy say it now so that the coaches get on him about film study and knowing your opponent during the week than have him coast through the season.

Plus it's also a testament to his talent because I can't think of any physical or WR-specific weakness the kid has lol...

gpngc
02-25-2011, 01:11 PM
No I wouldn't think he'd get the questions ahead of time but these guys are definitely coached by their agents on how to respond to a variety of possible questions. Too much money on the line not to.

A former GM addressed this. (forgot who)

He said that pretty much ALL the kids SAY the right things because they've been coached to do so.

So what they try to do is get a feel for whether or not they're being honest.

I think the interviews are more about reading intelligence, how they respond to pressure, honesty, clearing up past issues, etc. than actually coming away like you know the guy that great. Like a job interview in the real world pretty much...

What's more important is the investigative research - his family, friends, teammates, coaches - talking to people who have been around him for years - not a 10 minute meeting...

DiG
02-25-2011, 01:12 PM
i don't disagree gpngc. just secretly hoping he falls to 10...

keylime_5
02-25-2011, 01:15 PM
for AJ Green, something that is your biggest weakness is not necessarily a very big weakness compared to other WRs.

TimmG6376
02-25-2011, 01:21 PM
You could spin it this way:

He never had to prepare in college. He was just that much more talented than the opposition. He's acknowledging that he needs to work on preparation because his physical gifts won't be enough on their own at the next level. This self-awareness could be viewed as a positive.

Babylon
02-25-2011, 01:24 PM
Do you chalk that one up to stupidity or honesty?

The tape doesnt lie with Green, he could say whatever he wants because he shows up to play. I wouldnt personally hang on every word these guys say.

Grizzlegom
02-25-2011, 01:27 PM
Ponder said he's gonna throw since he found out him and Gabbert were only two that weren't going to.

Now Gabbert only QB not throwing (and McElroy but McElroy is hurt).

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 01:28 PM
Carimi with 29 on the bench press

Castonzo with 28 reps on bench press

Babylon
02-25-2011, 01:32 PM
Ponder said he's gonna throw since he found out him and Gabbert were only two that weren't going to.

Now Gabbert only QB not throwing (and McElroy but McElroy is hurt).

Gabbert needs to throw, easily could be the 3rd QB taken if he doesnt.

Wodwo
02-25-2011, 01:34 PM
I still love Ingram for the Phins. That size doesn't bother me one bit, about the same height I expected and only a couple pounds lighter.

That size shouldn't bother you.

It's funny... I forget who it was... somebody on NFL Network was asked to compare Ingram to an NFL running back and they chose Frank Gore. Well, now Ingram is exactly the same size. I think Ingram has more powerful arms, though. He's built solid.

I'd rather have a back that's an inch shorter, but built with the right proportions for the position. Low center of gravity and thick stocky build.

Ingram looks the part to me. Anyway, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, yeah?

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 01:35 PM
Rodney Hudson weighed in at 299. Great weight for him!

TNPatsFan
02-25-2011, 01:36 PM
AJ Green said his biggest weakness is "preparation." Errr....

If you really believe that's your biggest weakness... then make up another weakness quick even if it's not really a weakness. Then that will come across as humility and you won't be telling coaches that you aren't good at preparing or don't care to be prepared.

In the end I don't think it will matter much. The guy can play. But you gotta be careful how you answer things.

jrdrylie
02-25-2011, 01:38 PM
Honesty. First of all, he's a WR so it's not like he's preparing for anything besides coverage tendencies (which are usually similar from teams game-to-game in college). He dictates how CBs will play him. They need to prepare for him more than the other way around.

Also, this is a very correctable weakness. He can and will improve. I'd rather have a guy say it now so that the coaches get on him about film study and knowing your opponent during the week than have him coast through the season.

Plus it's also a testament to his talent because I can't think of any physical or WR-specific weakness the kid has lol...

The lack of a good work ethic (which is what it seems like he has from that answer) is not a very correctable weakness. I think not being a hard worker is one of the main things that causes guys to bust. What makes you think he will improve this? If he doesn't work hard with preperation while in college, why would he do it when he has millions of dollars in his pocket? I've said it before and I'll say it again, Julio Jones will be a better pro.

FloridaFootball1
02-25-2011, 01:41 PM
Anyone know what Noel Devine came in at? and where are you guys finding this info?

shylo3716
02-25-2011, 01:41 PM
Any sites where I can watch the coverage online?

gpngc
02-25-2011, 01:43 PM
The lack of a good work ethic (which is what it seems like he has from that answer) is not a very correctable weakness. I think not being a hard worker is one of the main things that causes guys to bust. What makes you think he will improve this? If he doesn't work hard with preperation while in college, why would he do it when he has millions of dollars in his pocket? I've said it before and I'll say it again, Julio Jones will be a better pro.

I heard it as preparing for your next game, x's and o's.

Admitting to having a poor work ethic is frightening but that's not how I read the quote.

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 01:45 PM
Anyone know what Noel Devine came in at? and where are you guys finding this info?

I've heard weight wise he was 179.

shylo3716
02-25-2011, 01:50 PM
What are the dates per positional measurements?

SolidGold
02-25-2011, 01:50 PM
Jake Locker
6024 231 Hands - 9 5/8

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 01:51 PM
Bench Press:

Orlando Franklin: 26, Marcus Gilbert: 30, James Carpenter: 23, Rodney Hudson: 27, Joseph Barksdale: 29, Ryan Bartholomew: 34

jrdrylie
02-25-2011, 02:00 PM
I heard it as preparing for your next game, x's and o's.

Admitting to having a poor work ethic is frightening but that's not how I read the quote.

To me, there are only two reasons why a player should have troubles preparing for the next game. The first would be because he just doesn't have a good work ethic. There is no reason to expect that will be corrected after signing a multi-million dollar contract.

The other reason is that he tries to prepare, he just doesn't have the intelligence to understand the game plan. Not being able to understand a game plan in college is not a big deal, because AJ Green is a good enough athlete to dominate with phyiscal ability alone. But in the NFL, where defenses are much more complex and defensive backs are on an equal plane physically, not having the mental capacity to prepare for the next game is a huge red flag.

I don't know which one of the two scenarios AJ Green falls into. But to me,it doesn't matter. Both are major red flags that would make me think twice about drafting him top-five. Once again, give me Julio Jones.

P-L
02-25-2011, 02:00 PM
I'm very interested to see Devine's 40 time. Putting on 29 lbs in that short of time means it can't all be good weight.

CashmoneyDrew
02-25-2011, 02:04 PM
What did Julio measure in at? I saw Shane said it was a little disappointing.

TitansCJftw
02-25-2011, 02:05 PM
quizz rodgers 5'5" 7/8" 196lbs

Hines
02-25-2011, 02:07 PM
quizz rodgers 5'5" 7/8" 196lbs

I'm bigger than Quizz Rodgers. Can I go to the Combine too?

TACKLE
02-25-2011, 02:08 PM
What did Julio measure in at? I saw Shane said it was a little disappointing.

6026 220lbs 9 3/4" hands

Idk, I don't see how its that dissapointing. I guess he's a touch shorter than expected but not by much.

Saints-Tigers
02-25-2011, 02:10 PM
I think people expected Julio to be closer to Calvin Johnson size, while he's more Dez Bryant.

Excellent weight for Quizz Rodgers and even Noel Devine.

Under 5'6 at 196 is really thick, no wonder he's so hard to bring down.

DeepThreat
02-25-2011, 02:10 PM
I am very interested to see Hudson's 40 and other numbers. Weighing in at 299 and doing 27 reps is very good for him. If he still has his athleticism, I wouldn't be shocked to see him go late 1st or early 2nd.

Babylon
02-25-2011, 02:17 PM
I heard it as preparing for your next game, x's and o's.

Admitting to having a poor work ethic is frightening but that's not how I read the quote.

I agree. Physically there is no evidence that he isnt prepared. Who knows how much they shrunk the playbook after Stafford left, he might not need a whole lot of preparing. Give me 3 or 4 of these guys and i'd be happy.

shylo3716
02-25-2011, 02:30 PM
6026 220lbs 9 3/4" hands

Idk, I don't see how its that dissapointing. I guess he's a touch shorter than expected but not by much.

6'2'' vs 6'4'' is a big difference when everyone thinks you are a LEGIT 6'4''

shylo3716
02-25-2011, 02:31 PM
If Jacory Harris was at the comibe I can guarantee he'll come in at 175 rather than the 190 listed at.

Babylon
02-25-2011, 02:36 PM
6'2'' vs 6'4'' is a big difference when everyone thinks you are a LEGIT 6'4''

Almost 6-2 3/4 is a good size WR. Running crisper routes would be more of a concern to me.

CashmoneyDrew
02-25-2011, 02:40 PM
6'2'' vs 6'4'' is a big difference when everyone thinks you are a LEGIT 6'4''

6'2" and 3/4 is basically 6'3". One inch isn't as big a deal as it sounded initially to me. I actually didn't think he was 6'4" whenever I watched him.

TimmG6376
02-25-2011, 02:41 PM
John Clay 6-1 230. He certainly has trimmed down. Very interesting.

Babylon
02-25-2011, 02:51 PM
Blaine Gabbert not throwing. This i believe is some bad advice from his agent, especially with the other top guys laying it on the line. Pro Days i think are pretty much for show and opinions are sometimes formed by then. To me the assumption that he is the top QB in this draft is a little premature.

shylo3716
02-25-2011, 02:58 PM
Measurements please?

Patrick Peterson-
A.J. Green-
Prince Amukamara-
Tyrod Taylor-
Ras-I Dowling-
Jimmy Smith-

descendency
02-25-2011, 02:59 PM
I'm very interested to see Devine's 40 time. Putting on 29 lbs in that short of time means it can't all be good weight.

It was 19 pounds (from 160 to 179) and he supposedly was only down to 160 because of an injury.

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 03:03 PM
More bench reps:

Will Rackley had 29 reps, John Moffitt: 23, Kris O'Dowd: 31, Lee Ziemba: 20, S Wisniwski: 30, D Watkins: 29

Tim Metcalfe
02-25-2011, 03:03 PM
Measurements please?

Patrick Peterson-
A.J. Green-
Prince Amukamara-
Tyrod Taylor-
Ras-I Dowling-
Jimmy Smith-

I don't believe DB's get measured today.

Babylon
02-25-2011, 03:04 PM
More bench reps:

Will Rackley had 29 reps, John Moffitt: 23, Kris O'Dowd: 31, Lee Ziemba: 20, S Wisniwski: 30, D Watkins: 29

Ziemba didnt do himself any favors there.

TimmG6376
02-25-2011, 03:05 PM
More bench reps:

Will Rackley had 29 reps, John Moffitt: 23, Kris O'Dowd: 31, Lee Ziemba: 20, S Wisniwski: 30, D Watkins: 29

Seems like a nice number for Rackley coming from a small school. 23 from Moffitt is a little disappointing don't you think?

DoughBoy
02-25-2011, 03:05 PM
That is terrible for Ziemba, I thought he had somewhat short arms as well?

jrdrylie
02-25-2011, 03:06 PM
Measurements please?

Patrick Peterson-
A.J. Green-
Prince Amukamara-
Tyrod Taylor-
Ras-I Dowling-
Jimmy Smith-

Defensive backs haven't been measured yet.

AJ Green- 6035 211
Tyrod Taylor- 6008 217

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 03:07 PM
Seems like a nice number for Rackley coming from a small school. 23 from Moffitt is a little disappointing don't you think?

Yeah, a bit for Moffitt for sure. Rackley is a legit 3rd round pick.


Very disappointing with Ziemba's arm length.

jrdrylie
02-25-2011, 03:07 PM
That is terrible for Ziemba, I thought he had somewhat short arms as well?

Arms too short to play tackle. Not strong enough to move inside. Looks like a 6th rounder and career backup now.

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 03:08 PM
Pouncey not lifting until Pro Day. Also said he didn't go to Senior Bowl as a business decision.

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 03:09 PM
Nate Solder had 21 reps, yech.

Daniel Thomas will not work out at the Combine due to "tweaked" hamstring

Bostonblows91
02-25-2011, 03:09 PM
Nate Solder only 21 bench reps. 29 for Tyron smith.

DiG
02-25-2011, 03:12 PM
It was 19 pounds (from 160 to 179) and he supposedly was only down to 160 because of an injury.

yup. hes always been listed at 180 throughout his time at wvu and i never figured him to be under 175. the 160 weight was supposedly due to injury issues and im glad hes back up to his playing weight. should not have any effect on his speed whatsoever.

shylo3716
02-25-2011, 03:14 PM
Who will have the best Wonderlic Test & who will scouts say will have the best interview?

DoughBoy
02-25-2011, 03:17 PM
Anyone have the height and weight on Luke Stocker?

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 03:18 PM
23 for Sherrod, 27 for Love

Don Vito
02-25-2011, 03:24 PM
28 reps is pretty good for Castonzo, only one less than Carimi. I didn't see Castonzo's measurements but I am pretty sure he has fairly long arms too.

A Perfect Score
02-25-2011, 03:27 PM
Bench rep numbers are pretty underwhelming for most guys this year. 21 for Solder and 23 for Sherrod are both very disappointing.

Good to hear about Rodney Hudson coming in at a strong weight and putting up a good number of reps. One of the most decorated linemen in ACC history. He's highly intelligent and very experienced. I think you plug him in at C and don't look back for a decade. I know there was some concern as to whether he could anchor against the bigger NTs...Shane? Scott? Thoughts?

CashmoneyDrew
02-25-2011, 03:29 PM
Anyone have the height and weight on Luke Stocker?

Luke measured in at just under 6'5". I forget his weight. 250 something.

Scott Wright
02-25-2011, 03:31 PM
Keep in mind that last year Anthony Davis did 21 reps and Trent Williams did 23.

Didn't seem to hurt them on Draft Day.

underscore
02-25-2011, 03:32 PM
30 reps for Wiz...for a guy many thought wasn't very strong. I know 30 isn't superstar...but it's not bad

Grizzlegom
02-25-2011, 03:32 PM
Stefen Wisniewski continues to show well. Size and strength both better than people thought based on what we've seen so far.

FUNBUNCHER
02-25-2011, 03:32 PM
Blaine Gabbert not throwing. This i believe is some bad advice from his agent, especially with the other top guys laying it on the line. Pro Days i think are pretty much for show and opinions are sometimes formed by then. To me the assumption that he is the top QB in this draft is a little premature.

Cam Newton wants to know, what are you scared of, stud?? Me??

Don Vito
02-25-2011, 03:34 PM
I personally think Hudson will be a very good pro and center is his best bet, but he may struggle with the big 3-4 NT's. He is a good run blocker and has some strength for his size, but I think guys like Wilfork and Casey Hampton will be able to get the better of him one on one more times than not. Keep in mind there are so few centers in the league that can actually win one on one battles with the elite 3-4 NT's, so that isn't really too big of a knock. Mangold, Pouncey, and Jason Brown a few years ago were the guys I noticed that could actually hold their own against 3-4 NT's. I hear a lot of good things about Alex Mack but I don't see too much of him, and all those guys are like 6-3 310 at least. Hudson with added combine beef is 6-2 300 with pretty short arms, I don't see him being one of those rare guys that can hang with 3-4 NT's without a lot of help.

Shane P. Hallam
02-25-2011, 03:35 PM
Bench rep numbers are pretty underwhelming for most guys this year. 21 for Solder and 23 for Sherrod are both very disappointing.

Good to hear about Rodney Hudson coming in at a strong weight and putting up a good number of reps. One of the most decorated linemen in ACC history. He's highly intelligent and very experienced. I think you plug him in at C and don't look back for a decade. I know there was some concern as to whether he could anchor against the bigger NTs...Shane? Scott? Thoughts?

I'm a Hudson fan, I think he can hold up and will be a nice 2nd round pick.

A Perfect Score
02-25-2011, 03:35 PM
Cam Newton wants to know, what are you scared of, stud?? Me??

Cam's too busy staring at himself in the mirror and wondering how much money he can make on endorsements next year to worry about whether Gabbert is throwing or not.

FUNBUNCHER
02-25-2011, 03:38 PM
Cam's too busy staring at himself in the mirror and wondering how much money he can make on endorsements next year to worry about whether Gabbert is throwing or not.

As long as he keeps his extracurricular pursuits mainly in the offseason, Newton is good. September to January should be ONLY football.

jrdrylie
02-25-2011, 03:39 PM
Who will have the best Wonderlic Test & who will scouts say will have the best interview?

Based on everything I've seen of him, I think Jake Locker is going to kill the interviews. As for Wonderlic, McElroy was up for a Rhodes Scholarship, so I'm guessing he'll be among the top scores.

Texas Homer
02-25-2011, 03:41 PM
On Julio at 6'026....I think that should equal out to 6'4" or so in cleats (imo).

TimmG6376
02-25-2011, 03:44 PM
Ryan Williams 5'9" 212.

That helps him as long as he keeps his speed.

He was listed at just over 200 this season.

the natural
02-25-2011, 03:49 PM
Anyone have arm lengths for the top skill position guys?

Babylon
02-25-2011, 03:51 PM
Bench rep numbers are pretty underwhelming for most guys this year. 21 for Solder and 23 for Sherrod are both very disappointing.

Good to hear about Rodney Hudson coming in at a strong weight and putting up a good number of reps. One of the most decorated linemen in ACC history. He's highly intelligent and very experienced. I think you plug him in at C and don't look back for a decade. I know there was some concern as to whether he could anchor against the bigger NTs...Shane? Scott? Thoughts?

I think Carimi, Castonzo and T. Smith have seperated themselves from the pack although there is some ways to go.

On the other end Solder and Pouncey look more and more like round 2 guys.

Babylon
02-25-2011, 03:53 PM
Based on everything I've seen of him, I think Jake Locker is going to kill the interviews. As for Wonderlic, McElroy was up for a Rhodes Scholarship, so I'm guessing he'll be among the top scores.

Ponder is probably the wonderlic winner. As for scoring big in the interviews Locker should blow the top guys away.

Babylon
02-25-2011, 03:58 PM
Cam Newton wants to know, what are you scared of, stud?? Me??

I have no idea what he's thinking really. It may be a ploy by his agent to just let everyone think he's the top guy.

He may be the first QB taken because i dont know if there is that much seperation among the top 4 but no matter he should be out there, feel a little bad for the kid actually he seems to be just doing what he's told.

Texas Homer
02-25-2011, 03:58 PM
Any info on Texas DE/LB Sam Acho?

underscore
02-25-2011, 04:02 PM
Ponder is probably the wonderlic winner. As for scoring big in the interviews Locker should blow the top guys away.

Wiz will push for top Wonderlic score.

the natural
02-25-2011, 04:04 PM
Cam Newton wants to know, what are you scared of, stud?? Me??

The CAA guys never throw. Unless they really need to. Also the latest word out of the Newton camp is that there is no guarantee that Cam will do all the tests.

SchizophrenicBatman
02-25-2011, 04:14 PM
LOL @ hating on Gabbert for not throwing. Seriously, he has more to lose than to gain. It's not a bad decision and it doesn't mean ****

There are plenty of legitimate things to hate on him for but the amount of hate he gets for the smallest things is bordering on criminal

JoeJoeBrown
02-25-2011, 04:17 PM
LOL @ Hankerson being 6'2" not 6'5". Apparently Da U measures their players while wearing high heels.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
02-25-2011, 04:24 PM
LOL @ Hankerson being 6'2" not 6'5". Apparently Da U measures their players while wearing high heels.

Why does your 3 look like a 5.

Babylon
02-25-2011, 04:25 PM
LOL @ hating on Gabbert for not throwing. Seriously, he has more to lose than to gain. It's not a bad decision and it doesn't mean ****

There are plenty of legitimate things to hate on him for but the amount of hate he gets for the smallest things is bordering on criminal

I could see a guy like Matthew Stafford not throwing because everyone knew he was going in the top 3 but Gabbert might not even be a top 10 pick. Probably not going to drastically change anything but it could bump him down a few spots.

fenikz
02-25-2011, 04:29 PM
LOL @ Hankerson being 6'2" not 6'5". Apparently Da U measures their players while wearing high heels.

Hankerson has always been listed at 6'2 or 6'3

Halsey
02-25-2011, 04:36 PM
QBs who don't throw aren't doing it because they just don't want to. They likely have knowledgeable people advising them not to throw.

JoeJoeBrown
02-25-2011, 04:37 PM
****, I guess he was only listed as 6'3". (http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/10-mfootbl-roster.html)

Leonard Hankerson displayed his athleticism and ability to hold onto the ball while taking a massive hit. Thanks to his 6’5” frame he was able to go up and get a high pass from Harris. He took a hard hit and landed flat on his back, but he held onto the ball. Hankerson did a nice job of shielding defenders and caught virtually every pass thrown his way. He made several nice catches throughout the second half and without a doubt has the ability to be a successful receiver at the next level.

JoeJoeBrown
02-25-2011, 04:42 PM
Pouncey is 6'5" with a 32" sleeve.

I dub thee, "T-Rex".

Babylon
02-25-2011, 04:47 PM
Pouncey is 6'5" with a 32" sleeve.

I dub thee, "T-Rex".

I guess he's not lifting till his pro day. Good thing his name is Pouncey.

JoeJoeBrown
02-25-2011, 04:55 PM
I guess he's not lifting till his pro day. Good thing his name is Pouncey.

It should be easy to bench with those stubby arms.

DenverFan1974
02-25-2011, 05:22 PM
Ponder is probably the wonderlic winner. As for scoring big in the interviews Locker should blow the top guys away.

I'd bet McElroy, Kaepernick and Enderle gives Ponder a run for his money on the Wonderlic (Kaepernick already took it and got a 38 in October and Enderle apparently scored higher). Interviews . . . who knows. If there is one thing NONE of us know (unless you are an NFL scout or one of their coaches) is how these guys are one-on-one talking football, all we have seen are some interviews. I don't disagree that Locker will do well but I think Dalton, Stanzi, Tolzein, Kaepernick, McElroy and Enderle probably will do well as well.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
02-25-2011, 06:07 PM
Rodney Hudson weighed in at 299. Great weight for him!

He's carrying it like absolute crap, which means it isn't.

Tyron Smith put on great weight.

Scott Wright
02-25-2011, 06:14 PM
QBs who don't throw aren't doing it because they just don't want to. They likely have knowledgeable people advising them not to throw.

You got that right, Halsey.

Gabbert is making a wise decision, much more to lose than gain.

regoob2
02-25-2011, 06:24 PM
Pouncey not lifting until Pro Day. Also said he didn't go to Senior Bowl as a business decision.
What else can he not do....