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Poz51
02-24-2011, 11:26 AM
Constructive (logical reasoning, scheme/offensive/defensive philosophy, the why I am wrong) is criticism is greatly appreciated. I try to take i value, need and schematic fit into account as best I can. I included my current draft grades after my thoughts/analysis, and the previous pick from my last mock as well. Many of the picks occured before Bailey resigned or Newton opened his mouth. This mock has dragged on for three weeks now, for a variety of reasons, but I wanted to put out an honest effort before the combine further complicated things, so have at it!! As always I will respond when I can.

2011 Mock Draft 4.0

1st Round

1 – Carolina – Nick Failey (DT – Auburn)
Carolina’s roster at defensive tackle reads like a who’s who of nobodies. An upgrade is clearly warranted. Fairley would not have been the first DT selected last year, and may have been the third in all reality, however this is not the 2010 NFL draft. With Ron Rivera knowing how important front line talent is to a defense, the Panthers will look to give him a big piece of the puzzle for his defense. The Panthers could go with A.J. Green to fill the hole at the #1 receiver spot and let Steve Smith move on, or to the #2 receiver where he is a better fit, but I think they will continue to develop the young receivers on their roster at this point. DaQuan Bowers makes sense, but Charles Johnson had a break out year, Greg Hardy, Everette Brown, and Eric Norwood are all young and full of potential. They could always go QB, falling in love with, and taking Blaine Gabbert or Cam Newton is not out of the question either, but giving up on Jimmy Clausen who was the Panthers first pick last year, does not make a lot of sense, unless it is for a sure fire #1 QB like Andrew Luck. At the end of the day, Fairley ability to disrupt and alter the outcome of a game from the interior of the defensive line, making those around him better as well, and improving the team as a whole. The “Red Flag” label is interesting in that he would fit right into the AFC North, where his “dirtiness” and “intensity” would not only be applauded, but would not make Sunday’s in 2011 (if there is a 2011 season) and beyond, any different than Sunday’s in of the past two plus decades I have been watching football. As for the “off the field” concerns, I still cannot find any legitimate documented concerns, and the correlation to Jamarcus Russell is absurd. Cal and Billy Ripken grew up in the same house and were nothing like each other. His work ethic is being applauded by his trainer, and until teams interview him I cannot buy into the chatter.
Grade: Top Five – Previous Pick: Andrew Luck

2 – Denver – Patrick Peterson (CB – L.S.U.)
Peterson is a top five talent with safety/linebacker size and strength, in a corners body. In the last 13 years of the draft I cannot find one corner prospect I like more outside of Charles Woodson and Champ Bailey. Peterson is on that shut down level as a prospect, and he is more physically opposing. A physical specimen who can blanket speed receivers and jump with the bigger receivers in the league, Peterson is everything one would want in a corner, and infuses a top five talent into the Bronco’s secondary. He very well could be the most all around talented player in this draft. The only thing that beats him on middle to long range throws is a perfect pass. Although the Bronco’s desperately need help in the along their defensive front, particularly in the middle, the change to the 4-3 should bring some help on the edge. Robert Ayers never should have been moved to OLB, and putting his hand back in the dirt should help him realize his potential and provide a natural positional fit, and Elvis Dumervil should have no problem transitioning back to the other defensive end spot. With those two already on the roster, I cannot see the Bronco’s going with Bowers, unless John Fox and Company do not have faith in Dumervil or Ayers, or are concerned with Dumervil coming off the injury... If the Panthers pass on Fairley, the Bronco’s will have to serious thinking to do, but in this mock the smart money is on Peterson. Could their public interest in Peterson just be a smoke screen? I don’t know, but I do know the value is right, if Champ Bailey leaves this could be a necessity, if not still could be warranted. Bowers makes plenty of sense, and value wise makes sense as well. The depth along the defensive line in this draft helps the Bronco’s decide to take the most talented player in the draft.
Grade: Top Five – Previous Pick: Nick Fairley

3 – Buffalo – Cam Newton (QB – Auburn)
The Bills went with C.J. Spiller last year in the first round, citing that he was the best player on their board, and had no character concerns, and followed the up the rest of the draft with guys with no character concerns. I would think maturity, and decision making are concerns with Quinn, and do not think Nix and Gailey would truly go with Quinn with regards to that aspect, having missed a season because of related issues. The talent and schematic versatility Quinn offers, make him a valid option, and deservedly so. Are there character concerns with Newton, whose history is spotty in this regard as well? Absolutely, not to mention you have a “meddling” father concern as well. However, there is a full year of tape with Newton, who has kept himself clean for two years now, and has a higher ceiling than any other QB in the draft at this point. His decisions regarding his father, and since leaving Florida have not been an issue, showing growth in the maturity aspect, and improved decision making. After watching the SEC championship game, some of my concerns regarding his arm have be alleviated, and his size and mobility fit what Gailey likes to have in a QB, with Fitzpatrick playing well this season, Newton would have time to develop a NFL caliber game, and work on his technique flaws, particularly throwing off his back foot and weight transfer. I am generally not a supporter of dual threat QB’s who cannot throw, but Newton’s arm impresses me the more I watch him, there are mechanical flaws for sure, but fixable and easily corrected, and I believe he is different than the rest. It is after all, a QB driven league, and can Fitzpatrick be the one to take the Bills to the promise land?. Newton is a better prospect than Vince Young in my opinion and he went third. With holes all over the place there are several directions Buffalo could go, including a trade down. I know a lot of the talk with this pick revolves around Von Miller, but Cam Jordan is just what Buddy Nix looks for when drafting.
Grade: Top Five – Previous Pick: Cam Newton

4 – Cincinnati – Blaine Gabbert (QB – Mizzu)
I don’t like to project personnel moves, but I just have the feeling Carson Palmer (retirement) is done in Cincinnati, one way or another, which is too bad, because I think Jay Gruden the west coast offense, A.J. Green and Co. would have been an ideal situation for him next year. Alas, it is now the Jordan Palmer or Dan LeFevour show… That’s not good, and outside of maybe taking Christian Ponder later, Gabbert might be the best option right now moving forward at the QB spot through the draft, and outside of free agency. A.J. Green still makes a lot of sense but without a franchise type QB, it would be a long 2011 (if there is a season), and how much hope would there be for the future?
Grade: 1st-2nd Round – Previous Pick: A.J. Green

5 – Arizona – A.J. Green (WR – Georgia)
This pick might be surprising to most, so here it is. For me, it comes down to, A.J. Green, Robert Quinn, Von Miller and Prince Amukamara, Green was the only one with a top five grade, so BAM! If Skelton, Hall or whomever does not show improvement, they can start over next year, without reaching this year for a QB, giving their man this year every opportunity to prove himself. Quinn and Miller would upgrade the pass rush, but Quinn’s year off is a major red flag, Miller is climbing boards and becoming the darling of the draft community, but is not a top five value, and Prince opposite Cromartie sure would be nice and will merit plenty of consideration, but again not a top five value yet. I would look for Arizona to trade down in the current situation, but if forced to stay, I think they take the value, giving the QB of the future another stud at wide out, and possibly opening the door for a potential (although doubtful) Larry Fitzgerald trade…
Grade: Top Five – Previous Pick: Prince Amukamara

6 – Cleveland – Da’Quan Bowers (DE – Clemson)
Dick Jauron means a 4-3 in Cleveland, who is now razor thin in the personnel department upfront. Who leaves for free agency? Who does the franchise really want back? How does Browns brass pass on the only top 5 DE in the draft at the 6th spot when it fills a huge hole? They don’t, and make the smart pick.
Grade: Top 5 – Previous Pick: Justin Blackmon

7 – San Francisco – Prince Amukamara (CB – Nebraska)
Prince Amukamara was rarely targeted by opposing offenses, who avoided him like a plague last year. Great anticipation and instincts, smooth athletically, with the ability to play man and zone, and an ability support the run make the mature fringe top five value a corner stone of the 49ers for the next decade. Robert Quinn and Von Miller would be fantastic upgrades to the pass rush for the 49ers, but Amukamara being the best value makes him the pick.
Grade: Top Ten – Previous Pick: Robert Quinn

8 – Tennessee – Robert Quinn (DE – U.N.C.)
Quinn’s talent is undeniable, how much will a year off, and maturity issues drop him in the draft? I don’t know, for me it is out of the top five and to Tennessee at eight, right now. I am sure Quinn will light up the combine, and show that he is still an athletic specimen. It’s his team interviews, and public interviews I want to hear about. Has he matured? Is money and fame a primary concern for Quinn? Did he just get caught up in something? Will there be a Dez Bryant affect? We will know more after the combine, right now Quinn helps put pressure on Manning, Schaub, and Garrard, is a big time priority, and Quinn could potentially be the best at it in this draft. With no franchise QB of value at this spot, the Titans look to go BPA.
Grade: Top Ten – Previous Pick: Ryan Mallett

9 – Dallas – Marcell Dareus (DE/DT – Alabama)
With the potential secondary help gone, and no offensive lineman worthy of this pick, the Boys look to upgrade the defensive front with Dareus who very likely could not even be here when the Cowboys pick. Dareus when healthy can take over a game, and experience in a 3-4 will allow for a smooth transition. I truly believe that Dallas will make every effort to trade up and snag Peterson or Amukamara, with their situation at corner being fairly bleak as Newman turns 33 in September, and Jenkins has regressed.
Grade: Top Ten – Previous Pick: Macell Dareus

10 – Washington – Jake Locker (QB – Washington)
The Redskins desperately need help on the defensive front; pieces that fit the 3-4 would help, DE, NT, and OLB. Julio Jones could really be the weapon McNabb needs, but how long will he be around? I’m was guessing not past next year at this time during my last mock, and now feel comfortable saying that McNabb will not be part of this team if there is a next year. While having next to no production in 2010, Locker will have one more chance to raise his stock at the combine, and having by all accounts made a B line straight for Locker at the Senior Bowl, this pick continues to make sense for the Skins. Locker has a big arm and is mobile, two attributes Shanahan loves in QB’s. Honestly watching the Redskins this past year, I would take Cameron Jordan or Von Miller, but I think Shanahan will lobby hard for Locker, and get what he wants, rather than what is best for the franchise. If they would have taken him at 4 last year as reports have indicated, what would hold them back from taking him at 10 this year?
Grade: 2nd – 1st Round – Previous Pick: Jake Locker

11 – Houston – Von Miller (OLB – Texas A & M)
Houston’s change to the 3-4 brings two clear needs, one is along the defensive line, where they seem to have pieces that can fit, or could be a temporary fix. The other need is at OLB, particularly a pass rusher. Miller quickly became one of the darlings of the Senior Bowl, and easily could go earlier than this. Cam Jordan would also make sense, but with capable transition pieces along the defensive line, Miller makes the most sense, and has equal value.
Grade: Top Ten – Previous Pick: Adrian Clayborn

12 – Minnesota – Cameron Jordan (DE – California)
If Von Miller was the darling of the Senior Bowl, Jordan was darling 1B, nearly un-blockable throughout the week. Jordan should be gone by now, but is not, and the Vikings get a supreme value pick at 12. A stout run defender, Jordan has a variety of pass rush moves, and despite not being the ideal fit for the 4-3 base defense Minnesota runs, is an upgrade along the defensive line. If they decide to go with a scheme specific fit, Adrian Clayborn would make sense. All things considered and with no quarterbacks worthy of this pick, the Vikings make the smart pick. I would fully expect Minnesota to look into trading down if this scenario panned out, picking up a third that they gave to New England for nothing, and landing a player they need at a better value. I would not be surprised to see them take a tackle in this spot, but again, Jordan’s value is too much to pass up.
Grade: Top Ten – Previous Pick: DaQuan Bowers

13 – Detroit – Derek Sherrod (LT – Miss. St.)
I have Sherrod as my top rated LT prospect in this draft, he has stoned the best pass rushers in the SEC this year, gets a push in the run game, and knows how and when to move to the second level. While not on the elite level as many of the LT’s from the last few drafts, Sherrod in my opinion is a legit top 15 talent with the ability to come in and start immediately. The most mature and well rounded tackle in the class, Sherrod has the proven ability to come in and protect Matthew Stafford, while being able to help the run game as well. Not the best tackle at the senior bowl, but solid and steady with 36 consecutive starts at left tackle.
Grade: 1st Round – Previous Pick: Patrick Peterson

14 – St. Louis – Julio Jones (WR – Alabama)
Sam Bradford has a bunch of nice targets with good upside, none of whom project to be a #1 receiver. Not the fastest receiver on the field, Jones is strong, has good size and has been consistent against top competition. Jones should be a better pro than collegiate receiver playing with an elite level QB like Bradford. I see Jones comparing favorably with Eric Moulds, and providing Bradford with a truly talented pass catcher to grow with. The Rams could look in several other directions, none of which however provide them with the value that Julio Jones does.
Grade: 1st Round – Previous Pick: Allen Bailey

15 – Miami – Mark Ingram (RB – Alabama)
This is a no-brainer with no QB, interior offensive lineman of relevance or value available.
Grade: 1st Round – Previous Pick: Kyle Rudolph

16 – Jacksonville – Aldon Smith (DE – Mizzu)
Gene Smith has a history of taking the best player available, and although many do not agree with his rankings, I think at his point he will have Aldon Smith as his BPA, and snatch him up before the Patriots can with their next pick. There are more questions than answers at defensive end on the Panthers defensive front, and Smith has the work ethic, and attitude that Gene Smith likes, not to mention a world of upside.
Grade: 1st Round – Previous Pick: Rahim Moore

17 – New England (via Oakland) – Ryan Kerrigan (OLB – Purdue)
Kerrigan’s tenacity and all out effort reminds me of Mike Vrabel, and with Aldon Smith off the board becomes the rest pass rusher available. New England could opt to go for DE J.J. Watt, but I think Kerrigan will be higher on their board given the need for a pass rusher. Of course the Pat’s could always trade down…
Grade: 1st Round, Previous Pick: Derek Sherrod

18 – San Diego – Justin Houston (OLB – Georgia)
Larry English is looking like a bust, and the Chargers will look for the next candidate to provide them with a pass rush. I am not sure why more people are not talking about Houston who has fantastic size at 6’3” and 258 pounds, plays in a 3-4, is capable in run support and in coverage, and knows how to get after the QB. His measurables might not be the greatest, but Boss Bailey’s were and look at the phenomenal career he had… Akeem Ayers has all the physical tools in the world, but are his instincts at the level they need to be?
Grade: 1st Round, Previous Pick: Justin Houston

19 – N.Y.G. – Gabe Carimi (T – Wisconsin)
Might not be a true LT, but could be the road grinder at RT who can help the run game, and handle pass protection on the strong side. However Carimi was a 4 year starter, who was a key piece of a high powered offense. With the Giants starting tackles getting into their 30’s, question marks behind them, and Carimi’s long term potential to play left tackle while being immediately able to step in on the right side, Carimi offers long and short term ability. My second rated tackle, Carimi like Sherrod has a sound body of work, and does not have the bust potential many in this tackle class offer.
Grade: 1st Round, Previous Pick: Aaron Williams

20 – Tampa Bay – Adrian Clayborn (DE – Iowa)
Adrian Clayborn is the type of player with a non-stop motor that has the ability to play the run and rush the passer consistently. Clayborn is able to shed blocks, uses his eyes, hands and feet well to work through traffic, understands leverage and containment principals, and his initial punch is strong enough to keep blockers off him. His best fit is in a 4-3 front, and is a top ten type talent. Erb’s palsey is a concern and may cause him to fall in the draft, but his consistent effort, and overall ability will enhance an already up and coming Tampa Bay defensive line.
Grade: 1st round, Previous Pick: Ryan Kerrigan

21 – Kansas City – Phil Taylor (NT – Baylor)
I was really stuck with this pick… Jon Baldwin has dropped as I see it into the second round, I don’t see any receivers of comparable value at this spot, and all the other players who are great fits are already off the board. If Houston or Kerrigan were available I would think that the Chiefs would be all over them. Ayers is too soft in my opinion. The Chiefs could go RT, but I don’t like the value or fit, as the remaining tackle prospects are second values in my opinion. So I looked at other needs, a nose tackle would certainly round out the up and coming defensive line. Kyle Rudolph and Tony Moeaki (man did I miss the boat on him last year) would give the Chiefs a Patriots style tight end duo, but is not a huge need either. Then there is the issue at center, where Wiegmann is 38 next year, and Steve Wisniewski sure would make a lot of practical sense. I have a 1st round grade on Taylor and Rudolph, and a 2nd – 1st on Wisniewski. Pioli likes to load up on the defensive side of the ball, so Taylor gets the nod with Pioli not being afraid to pull the trigger on his man no matter the position on the board. Trading down for K.C. like many other teams makes a lot of sense in this situation as well.
Grade: 1st Round, Previous Pick: Jonathan Baldwin

22 – Indianapolis – Nate Solder (LT – Colorado)
Despite myself not being on the Solder train yet, I can see him going in the first round. The two time All-Big Twelve, All-American left tackle has plenty of good tape, and certainly fits the bill athletically, as well as mentally. The Colts have to protect Manning if they want to compete for the Super Bowl before the hall of famer hangs up the cleats. Solder has rare athleticism for a man of his stature, and having allowed just 2 sacks and 3 pressures in nearly 400 plays this year says a lot, as does beating out Okung (6th overall in the 2010 draft) and Williams (4th overall in 2010) for the conference offensive lineman of the year.
Grade: 1st – 2nd, Previous Pick: Demarcus Love

23 – Philadelphia – Jimmy Smith (CB – Colorado)
I have Smith as my third rated corner, more of a press man corner than zone, but he is more than capable in zone, and capable of improving in this area. Allowed 11 catches over his last two seasons while in man coverage, only one for a first down, and last year was thrown at 20 times with 5 deflections, and one touchdown allowed. Great size, and if he runs a 4.35 like Colorado reported he did, could be long gone before Philly is on the clock. Smith is a willing and capable run defender, who was avoided like a plague while at Colorado.
Grade: 1st Round, Previous Pick: Brandon Harris

24 – New Orleans – J.J. Watt (DE – Wisconsin)
A heart and soul type player, Wyatt has a non-stop motor, natural understanding of the game, and is flexible in his ability to play odd and even fronts. Watt fits the Saints profile of bigger, well rounded defensive ends and should be a great compliment to Will Smith. A defensive tackle for the Saints to pair with Ellis makes plenty of sense, if there is no DE worthy of this pick.
Grade: 1st Round, Previous Pick: Bruce Carter

25 – Seattle – Brandon Harris (CB – Miami)
Harris is a versatile all around corner. Harris does everything well in coverage, has good instincts, a genuine passion for the game, is coachable, and has a non-stop motor. A willing tackler, with a solid overall skill set, and accepts accountability for his play. Harris is arguably the BPA available and fills a huge need for Seattle, killing two birds with one stone.
Grade: 1st Round, Previous Pick: Julio Jones

26 – Baltimore – Cameron Heyward (DE – O.S.U.)
A 5 technique with the skill set that the Ravens love. Good strength, long, with very good athleticism, and a good work ethic. Heyward can play two gaps, showing good containment discipline and the ability to crash down on inside running plays. My concerns with him are consistency, getting off blocks, getting his hands up when he cannot defeat the blocker in front of him, staying low and using proper leverage, and when anchoring on double teams. Heyward is very well conditioned, with a good motor and clearly a very good talent, who is coachable and will help the Ravens front seven. A #1 corner is needed, but I don’t see one that warrants this pick, and Heyward will provide some balance opposite Ngata along the defensive line. If the Ravens fall in love with, a corner they might pull the trigger on the need aspect, but I see the rest as second round talents, so for my money the value is in Heyward, and a certain GM seems to BPA, and it has worked out nicely for this franchise. With Akeem Ayers being too soft to fit in, I look at Brooks Reed as a potential compliment to Terrell Suggs as a possibility should the Ravens go in that direction, a wide receiver with speed like Torrey Smith should draw some consideration as well, but again, in the BPA department Heyward is the pick.
Grade: 1st, Previous Pick: Cameron Heyward

27 – Atlanta – Torrey Smith (WR – Maryland)
Smith needs work, but could be the perfect complement to Roddy White. Smith adds an explosive playmaker to the receiving core, which should open up things for White and Gonzalez. Thomas Dimitroff likes high character guys, who were team captains. Coach Friedgen raves about Smith’s character and dedication, and he was the special team’s captain for Mayland. With the run on DE’s, Smith is the type of player who should fit right into Atlanta’s drafting philosophy while filling a need.
Grade: 2nd – 1st, Previous Pick: Cameron Jordan

28 – New England – Anthony Castonzo (T – Boston College)Smart, athletic, and physical, Castonzo could be the blindside protector that takes over for Matt Light, or he could allow Sebastian Vollmer to slide over to LT, and take over the right side. Either way Castonzo offers versatility, even showing during the senior bowl that he can play guard.
Grade: 2nd – 1st, Previous Pick: Aldon Smith

29 – Chicago – Tyron Smith (LT – U.S.C.)
The Bears need help along the offensive line, no doubt about it. Kreutz is declining, Chris Williams has not panned out at either tackle spot, and may have found a home at guard. The situation is bleak… Tyron Smith is climbing NFL draft boards rather quickly, and possesses the ability to help keep Jay Cutler upright, and word is that he will come to the combine at over 300 lbs!
Grade: 2nd Round, Previous Pick: Nate Solder

30 – N.Y.J. – Akeem Ayers (OLB – U.C.L.A)
The Jets are really getting long in the tooth along the defensive line, and a guy like Muhammad Wilkerson would really help add some youth. But alas, they live and die by the blitz, and are getting a little long in the tooth at outside linebacker as well. Ayers will need to develop some pass rushing moves, but will add speed and youth on the edge, and Rex Ryan should be able to help bring out the inner beast in Ayers.
Grade: 1st – 2nd, Previous Pick: Von Miller

31 – Pittsburgh – Aaron Williams (CB – Texas)
All around technique combined with good size, Williams is able to play the run and pass well, Williams is too much to pass up at this point, especially with offenses spreading it out more and more now-a-days. Williams plays with pride, has fluid hips, natural athleticism, a smooth backpedal, and is quick and coachable. Williams is one of two first round values left on my board, so considering the need opposite Ike Taylor and talent/value Williams offers it’s a good fit. Like many others on this board I want them to reunite the Pouncey brothers, but watching the Packers spread the Steelers out in the Super Bowl, I would have to believe getting another quality corner is a bigger priority.
Grade: 1st, Previous Pick: J.J. Watt

32 – Green Bay – Brooks Reed (OLB – Arizona)
Teaming Reed with Matthews just makes sense, and would give offensive coordinators and quarterbacks alike nightmares. I could see the Packers going with a guard, tackle, receiver or corner, but with little on the value front, and the lack of potential 3-4 OLB’s in the second round, and value at other positions later in the draft, the Pack upgrade the pass rush.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Akeem Ayers

2nd Round

33 – New England (via Carolina) – Stefan Wisniewski (C/G – Penn St.)After almost pulling the trigger on Wisniewski with the 28th pick, the Pat’s are relieved he is still there at pick 33. Offering flexibility in being able to play both guard and center, Wisniewski can provide depth, and spot start immediately, one day taking over Koppen.
Grade: 2nd-1st, Previous Pick: Mark Ingram

34 – Buffalo – Kyle Rudolph (TE – Notre Dame)
Bills TE’s last year: 23 catches, 1 TD. Gailey has had success with TE’s in the past, and prefers ones that can block and receive, making Rudolph a perfect fit. Would have gone in the first round had he not sustained a season ending injury. Value pick.
Grade: 1st, Previous Pick: Gabe Carimi

35 – Cincinnati – Mike Pouncey (G – Florida)
Cincinnati grabbed the QB of the future in the first round, now it’s time to protect him, enhancing the running game does not hurt.
Grade: 2nd-1st, Previous Pick: Marcus Cannon

36 – Denver – Stephen Paea (DT – Oregon St.)
Having gone BPA in round one the Bronco’s look to upgrade the defensive line with the BPA in round 2. Paea has the strength to hold up at the point of attack and natural ability to help Denver’s run D.
Grade: 1st – 2nd, Previous Pick: Stephen Paea

37 – Cleveland – Corey Luiget (DT – Illinois)
Changing scheme’s means new personnel, and Luiget gives the Browns a great piece with Bowers.
Grade: 1st-2nd, Previous Pick: Janoris Jenkins

38 – Arizona – Martez Wilson (LB – Illinois)
One of the underrated pass rusher in this draft IMO, Wilson infuses youth into an aging pass rush from either the OLB or ILB. Able to play any LB spot effectively.
Grade: 1st-2nd, Previous Pick: Anthony Castonzo

39 – Tennessee – Ryan Mallett (QB – Arkansas)
With Vince Young and Jeff Fisher out, a franchise caliber QB is needed, and Mallett has the tools. Although I do believe Ponder at this point is a legit option as well.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Stefen Wisniewski

40 – Dallas – Rahim Moore (FS – U.C.L.A.)
Dallas needs secondary help and takes the best player available on the back end.
Grade:1st-2nd, Previous Pick: Mark Barron

41 – Washington – Jonathan Baldwin (WR – Pitt)
Despite needing refinement and polish, the Skins take Baldwin with Shanahan having visions of his next Brandon Marshall. Muhammad Wilkerson, Christian Ballard, or a guard like Cannon is who I would go with, but like in round one, Shanny gets his guy. With Santa Moss leaving the cupboard is bare at WR.
Grade:1st – 2nd, Previous Pick: Michael Floyd

42 – Houston – Brandon Burton (CB – Utah)
Houston still needs help in the secondary if they wish to truly compete in the AFC South.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Brandon Burton

43 – Minnesota – Christian Ponder (QB – Florida St.)
Ponder has elevated his stock back into the second round IMO, and Minnesota needs a QB of the future.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Christian Ponder

44 – Detroit – Bruce Carter (LB – U.N.C.)
I wanted to go with Quan Sturdivant to give some flexibility in the LB core, but the Lions take a gamble and roll the dice on Carter, who was a first rounder before the ACL injury. Carter is a work out freak, who will do everything it takes to get back on the field.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Greg Jones

45 – San Francisco – Danny Watkins (G – Baylor)
With limited value at positions of need, the 49ers look to continue upgrading the offensive line with the mature Watkins, whose work ethic will blend right in with Coach Harbaugh.
Grade: 2nd Round, Previous Pick: Jimmy Smith

46 – Denver (via Miami) – Marcus Cannon (T/G – T.C.U.)
Will Ryan Harris be back? Injuries and contract demands lead me to say no. Cannon’s athleticism, size and flexibility make him a solid pick. Cannon reminds me of Jeff Otah coming out.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Dontay Moch

47 – St. Louis – Allen Bailey (DE – Miami)
Spag’s Tuck Jr. Can move inside on passing downs and handle the run from his DE spot on running downs. An athletic freak who will go higher than I believe his on field ability should.
Grade: 3rd, Previous Pick: Drake Nevis

48 – Oakland – Benjamin Ijalana (G/T – Villanova)
Oakland needs help at center, but would have to reach on O’Dowd, so they go with Ijalana, who I think will be at his best at guard, but could play tackle as well, offering flexibility to go with value at this spot.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Mike Pouncey

49 – Jacksonville – Quinton Carter (S – Oklahoma)
Jacksonville desperately needs help in the secondary, and Carter offers flexibility being able to play either safety spot. Capable in run support, and very good in coverage.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: DeAndre McDaniel

50 – San Diego – Muhammad Wilkerson (DE/DT – Temple)
5 technique of the future? Upgrade along the defensive line? I think so. Best available player doesn’t hurt either.
Grade: 2nd-1st, Previous Pick: Jerrel Jernigan

51 – Tampa Bay – Jabaal Sheard (DE – Pitt.)
Tampa stock piled DT’s last year in the draft, and this year they do the same at DE. Sheard stepped up last season for the Panthers and a starting dline of Price, McCoy, Clayborn and Sheard will be devastating in the near future, especially with the depth behind them.
Grade: 2nd-3rd, Previous Pick: Shane Vereen

52 – N.Y.G. – Mikel LeShoure (RB – Illinois)
Giants Brass is not going to allow a talent like LeShoure to get by them in the second round. Bye Brandon Jacobs and inflated contract, hello Mikel LeShoure, who will compliment Ahmad Bradshaw.
Grade: 2nd -1st, Previous Pick: Kris O’Dowd

53 – Indianapolis – Rodney Hudson (G/C – F.S.U.)
Indianapolis needs to continue to upgrade the offensive line. Hudson could be their center of the future, while helping out at guard in the short term.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Benjamin Ijalana

54 – Philadelphia – Greg Jones (OLB – Michigan St.)
I believe Jones will be a better OLB in the NFL, than ILB in college, and will replace Ernie Simms from day one. Very instinctual defender.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Rodney Hudson

55 – Kansas City – Leonard Hankerston (WR – Miami)
A compliment to Bowe and McCluster, Hankerston could be an ideal #2 WR. Best value for need.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Jeremy Beal

56 – New Orleans – Mason Foster (OLB – Washington)
Foster is one of the best pure tacklers in the draft, a capable blitzer, whose head is always on a swivel. Drake Nevis will be tough to pass up, but an upgrade at LB is very much warranted.
Grade: 2nd – 3rd, Previous Pick: Marvin Austin

57 – Seattle – Demarcus Love (T/G – Arkansas)
Seattle could use some reinforcements along the offensive line, and despite his stock falling recently, Love can play RT and G, allowing for flexibility along the Seahawks offensive line.
Grade: 3rd-2nd, Previous Pick: Greg Romeus

58 – Baltimore – Jerrell Jernigan (WR – Troy)
Jernigan will add some much needed explosiveness to the Ravens receiving core, even if it is just from the slot. With age and free agency playing a role in Baltimore at receiver, receiver could be a huge need.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Ras-I Dowling

59 – Atlanta – Sam Acho (DE – Texas)
Another former team captain, Acho has the non-stop motor, and work ethic the Falcons love. The value might not be there, but pass rushers are flying out the door in this draft and the Falcons get a guy who fits their character profile, and meets a need at a premium position.
Grade: 2nd-3rd, Previous Pick: Matt Reynolds

60 – New England – Christian Ballard (DE/DT – Iowa)
The Pats commit a draft “Robbery” that would make the “Snitchuation” proud. I know…
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Christian Ballard

61 – San Diego (via N.Y.J.) – Titus Young (WR – Boise St.)
Even with Vincent Jackson coming back, the Chargers could use stand an explosive playmaker into the receiving core, and having addressed the defense already with the first two picks, the Chargers give Rivers a weapon to play with.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Jerrel Jernigan

62 – Chicago – Drake Nevis (DT – L.S.U.)
Although a G/C type like John Moffitt is probably needed more, but Jerry Angelo cannot help himself and has to pick a defensive lineman in the first two rounds.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Deunta Williams

63 – Pittsburgh – Marcus Gilbert (T – Florida)
Pittsburgh could use help at both tackle spots, Gilbert has the footwork to succeed on either side, work ethic to improve regardless, and size Pittsburgh likes in its tackles. I could see Gilbert being high on Tomlin’s list given his background.
Grade: 3rd, Previous Pick: Davon House

64 – Green Bay – Cecil Shorts III (WR – Mount Union)
Will Driver retire? Will “Mr. Consistancy” James Jones be around next year? Despite playing D3 ball, Shorts has pro-game, and can run the route tree as well as anyone in this draft, and can play all the split, flanker or slot positions. My most under rated prospect of this draft, Shorts will need some time to adjust to the pro-game, but once he does, he should become a weapon Rodgers can lean on for some time.
Grade: 3rd, Previous Pick: Lee Ziemba

3rd Round

65 – Carolina – Quan Sturdivant (LB – U.N.C.)Whether Sturdivant allows Beason to move outside, or moves outside himself, Carolina’s front 7 gets another significant upgrade. Versatile and constant, Sturdivant is a productive leader.
Grade: 3rd

66 – Cincinnati – Jurrell Casey (DT – U.S.C.)
Casey provides insurance along the interior of the Bengals defensive line long term, and short term depth at worst.
Grade: 2nd – 3rd

67 – Denver – Mark Herzlich (OLB – B.C.)
I am not sure who will be playing LB next to D.J. Williams next year, but even despite not being the Herzlich of old, he is an upgrade over current options as I see it, and allows Denver to get better at all three levels of the defense so far in this draft.
Grade: 2nd – 3rd

68 – Buffalo – Kelvin Sheppard (ILB – L.S.U.)
Buffalo was hoping a defensive lineman of value would be available to help out the run, there is not, so opt for the ILB who has the football IQ and new found bulk to help the run D.
Grade: 2nd – 3rd

69 – Arizona – Jeremy Beal (OLB – Oklahoma)
Washington, Wilson inside, Beal and Schofield outside is a nice looking future at the linebacker position. Beal does not have ideal measurables, but is a productive player on the field.
Grade: 3rd

70 – Cleveland – Nate Irving (LB – N.C. St.)
With the transition to the 4-3, I am not sure how the Browns LB situation is going to play out, but I think Irving can come in from day one and make an impact, most likely inside.
Grade: 3rd – 2nd

71 – Dallas – Davon House (CB – New Mexico St.)
Dallas needs help on the island, and House has the skill set and short term memory to become a productive starter sooner rather than later.
Grade: 2nd

72 – New Orleans (via Washington) – Dontay Moch (OLB – Nevada)
Greg Williams should find a home for Moch to make plays, whether it be from the weak side, defensive end in pass rushing situations, or whatever the case maybe.
Grade: 2nd -3rd

73 – Houston – Ahmad Black (S – Florida)
Houston continues to upgrade its defensive secondary.
Grade: 2nd - 3rd

74 – New England (via Minnesota) – Clint Boling (G/T – Georgia)
One way or another, the future of the offensive line is looking up with this draft. Boling provides a potential starting right guard and depth at tackle.
Grade: 3rd

75 – Detroit – John Moffitt (G/C – Wisconsin)
Moffitt offers flexibility in being able to start at guard and shift over to center if the need arises. Grade: 2nd – 3rd

76 – San Francisco – Andy Dalton (QB – T.C.U.)
Dalton is a smart QB, with a natural understanding of the game, who just wins and shows up game in and game out, and has great accuracy. A prospect coach Harbaugh can work with.
Grade: 3rd – 4th

77 – Tennessee – Will Rackley (G – Lehigh)
The former Patriot league star at tackle slides inside giving Mallett the guard he needs in pass pro, and helps in the running game with a relentless style that will fit in well with what coach Munchak wants to do.
Grade: 3rd – 4th

78 – St. Louis – Ryan Williams (RB – Va. Tech.)
St. Louis would love to upgrade elsewhere but Williams is high on their board and could be the transition back that helps extend Jackson’s career, and allows for a smooth transition into the future.
Grade: 3rd

79 – Miami – Edmond Gates (WR - Abilene Christian)
A deep threat opposite Brandon Marshall only opens up the passing game, and dictates some coverage. Colin Kaepernick makes sense as does a center, but I have Gates rated higher at this point.
Grade: 3rd

80 – Jacksonville – Curtis Brown (CB – Texas)
Brown should be able to contribute in nickel and dime packages immediately, and in time form a solid one – two punch with Derek Cox in the future. Rashean Mathis will be 31 heading into next season, and you can never have enough good DB’s playing against P. Manning.
Grade: 2nd

81 – Oakland – Kristofer O’Dowd (C – U.S.C.)
If there was ever a need pick, this could be it.
Grade: 3rd

82 – San Diego – James Carpenter (T – Alabama)
One of the unheralded starts of the South’s offensive line in the senior bowl, Carpenter is a gamer with a well rounded game. Beal was off sides…
Grade: 3rd – 4th

83 – N.Y.G. – Johnny Patrick (CB – Louisville)
Capable in both man and zone coverage, Patrick can only help as teams spread it out offensively, and offers great value in the third round.
Grade: 2nd – 3rd

84 – Tampa Bay – Colin McCarthy (LB – Miami)
Will Ruud go in free agency? How many LB’s with no size can one team have? McCarthy IMO can play both the Mike and Sam LB spots in a 4-3, and diversifies the Buccaneers linebacking core.
Grade: 3rd – 2nd

85 – Philadelphia – Jason Pinkston (T/G – Pitt.)
The Eagles could probably upgrade the offensive line earlier in this draft, but they wait, and get Pinkston who can play RT or G for the Eagles and at worst provide solid depth.
Grade: 4th

86 – Kansas City – Chris Carter (OLB – Fresno St.)
The 2010 WAC Defensive Player of the Year is tough and has an explosive first step. He needs to develop some pass rush and counter moves, but has great speed off the edge. Reports are that he is up to 247 and has kept his speed. Could be a diamond in the rough, and provide a pass rush opposite Hali.
Grade: 4th – 3rd

87 – Indianapolis – Randall Cobb (WR – Kentucky)
Having addressed the offensive line already in the draft, they would be shocked to see Cobb sitting there in the third round, and would be wise to quickly grab him.
Grade: 3rd

88 – New Orleans – Jarvis Jenkins (DT – Clemson)
Having already upgraded the defense significantly, the Saints continue to do so, and add a stout run defender to pair with Ellis, allowing some flexibility on the interior of their defensive line.
Grade: 3rd

89 – San Diego (via Seattle) – Jerrell Powe (NT – Ole. Miss.)
San Diego continues to strengthen its front seven. Although Powe may never be more than a run stuffer, that’s all he needs to be.
Grade: 3rd – 2nd

90 – Baltimore – Ras-I Dowling (CB – Virginia)
Dowling infuses some size into the Ravens cornerbacks. Can convert over to safety in time, if need be. Dowling drops in this mock due to his injury last year, and like usual the Ravens grab the BPA, and one who also fills a need.
Grade: 2nd -3rd

91 – Atlanta – Luke Stocker (TE – Tennessee)
Although not the receiving threat T-Gonz was, Stocker is a reliable pass catcher, and a big target. A capable blocker, with things to work on, Stocker will have a year of development behind T-Gonz, that should do wonders for his professional career. After Kyle Rudolph, the most well rounded TE in the draft.
Grade: 3rd

92 – New England – Greg Little (WR – U.N.C.)
A risky pick for the character conscious Patriots, but the added physicality and size he brings to the Patriots receiving core can only enhance it, and add a unique dimension to it. A bit of a gamble, but in reality the Pats have already traded down three times have two picks in each of the first three rounds of the 2012 draft, landed all the same players, and can take a risk.
Grade: 4th

93 – Chicago – Curtis Marsh (CB – Utah St.)
An all around athlete, whose best days are ahead of him. Marsh has natural instincts that should allow him to play zone effectively, and he has the hips and size to be an effective man corner in press coverage.
Grade: 3rd

94 – N.Y.J. – Kendrick Ellis (NT – Hampton)
Red flags? Rex Ryan could care less, although he certainly cares about the hole in the middle of his defensive line.
Grade: 4th

95 – Pittsburgh – Lawrence Guy (DE – Arizona St.)
Guy can learn the technique he needs from some of the best in the business, and one day take over for them. Has the skill set to be an effective NFL player with the right coaching.
Grade: 3rd – 4th

96 – Green Bay – Kendrick Burney (CB – U.N.C.)
Burney is one of those football players who just plays the game, and understands it naturally. Rarely out of position, Burney is physical, and in a passing league has true value as a nickel/dime corner who can come in a spot start if needed. Will be a special team’s demon.
Grade: 3rd

SimonRath
02-24-2011, 11:37 AM
Torrey Smith and Sam Acho are great fits in atlanta. LOVE IT.

DiG
02-24-2011, 11:52 AM
10 – Washington – Jake Locker (QB – Washington)
The Redskins desperately need help on the defensive front; pieces that fit the 3-4 would help, DE, NT, and OLB. Julio Jones could really be the weapon McNabb needs, but how long will he be around? I’m was guessing not past next year at this time during my last mock, and now feel comfortable saying that McNabb will not be part of this team if there is a next year. While having next to no production in 2010, Locker will have one more chance to raise his stock at the combine, and having by all accounts made a B line straight for Locker at the Senior Bowl, this pick continues to make sense for the Skins. Locker has a big arm and is mobile, two attributes Shanahan loves in QB’s. Honestly watching the Redskins this past year, I would take Cameron Jordan or Von Miller, but I think Shanahan will lobby hard for Locker, and get what he wants, rather than what is best for the franchise. If they would have taken him at 4 last year as reports have indicated, what would hold them back from taking him at 10 this year?
Grade: 2nd – 1st Round – Previous Pick: Jake Locker

41 – Washington – Jonathan Baldwin (WR – Pitt)
Despite needing refinement and polish, the Skins take Baldwin with Shanahan having visions of his next Brandon Marshall. Muhammad Wilkerson, Christian Ballard, or a guard like Cannon is who I would go with, but like in round one, Shanny gets his guy. With Santa Moss leaving the cupboard is bare at WR.
Grade:1st – 2nd, Previous Pick: Michael Floyd


This draft would be pretty damn upsetting to me. Thats not to say that I couldn't see either pick happening, because I definitely could see arguments for both. However, I think there are equal, if not more reasonable, arguments as to why neither pick should occur.

First, Shanahan does not have a strong history of drafting WRs early. Marshall was taken in the 4th round. Unless they think an AJ Green, or Julio Jones can have an immediate impact as a rookie (which is uncommon among WRs) than I don't see the Skins pushing for any other wr early in the draft. I also believe that the odds of Santana Moss resigning are a lot higher than Carlos Rogers are this point. So if you are basing picks off of anticipated players leaving in free agency than you might reconsider moving CB up towards the top of the list. Specific to Baldwin, I don't like him. I think he is slow out of breaks, lazy, moderate at best route running, and has serious maturity concerns.

I'll admit, I'm completely confused when it comes to the Skins and Locker. The big difference between this year and last year is that last year Locker was consistently considered a top 5 pick by most draft sites and draftniks. This year, its rare to see many rankings that still have him in the top 25. I don't doubt that Shanahan is interested in Locker but I do believe that Locker still has a lot to prove before hes the Skins guy at 10. I think its more likely that the Skins consider moving up from the early 2nd round to grab locker late in the first than take him at 10. Too many other needs and too good of value available.

Poz51
02-24-2011, 11:59 AM
Torrey Smith and Sam Acho are great fits in atlanta. LOVE IT.

I thought the Acho pick would see some resistance, but I thought it made alot of sense. What about Stocker in the 3rd?

SimonRath
02-24-2011, 12:16 PM
I thought the Acho pick would see some resistance, but I thought it made alot of sense. What about Stocker in the 3rd?

I like Luke Stocker. I wish we could get a TE like Jermichael Finley but I know they just dont come around every draft :/

Poz51
02-24-2011, 12:21 PM
This draft would be pretty damn upsetting to me. Thats not to say that I couldn't see either pick happening, because I definitely could see arguments for both. However, I think there are equal, if not more reasonable, arguments as to why neither pick should occur.

First, Shanahan does not have a strong history of drafting WRs early. Marshall was taken in the 4th round. Unless they think an AJ Green, or Julio Jones can have an immediate impact as a rookie (which is uncommon among WRs) than I don't see the Skins pushing for any other wr early in the draft. I also believe that the odds of Santana Moss resigning are a lot higher than Carlos Rogers are this point. So if you are basing picks off of anticipated players leaving in free agency than you might reconsider moving CB up towards the top of the list. Specific to Baldwin, I don't like him. I think he is slow out of breaks, lazy, moderate at best route running, and has serious maturity concerns.

I'll admit, I'm completely confused when it comes to the Skins and Locker. The big difference between this year and last year is that last year Locker was consistently considered a top 5 pick by most draft sites and draftniks. This year, its rare to see many rankings that still have him in the top 25. I don't doubt that Shanahan is interested in Locker but I do believe that Locker still has a lot to prove before hes the Skins guy at 10. I think its more likely that the Skins consider moving up from the early 2nd round to grab locker late in the first than take him at 10. Too many other needs and too good of value available.

Lol, I thought you would not like it, and I understand completely as vicarious skins fan. It was upsetting to me, and I dont like it either...
I agree with you on Baldwin for the most part, especially the maturity concerns. I hope Moss comes back, besides some drops I thought he was thier only consistant receiver this past year, and think he needs to be brought back, and another piece added to the receiver core. I do believe however, Shanahan is more concerned with constructing his offense before putting much focus on the defense. Like I said with the Locker pick, I would go Jordan or Miller, and take Jordan and not blink. I did have thoughts of Jimmy Smith as well in regards to the cornerback situation, and if they had a third would have taken Johny Patrick.
Im with you on the Skins and Locker situation, and ideally think trading down, or up from the second is the best way for them to land him with taking what would widely be considered a reach at this point. Not having a third will make trading up hard, and/or a expensive proposition in that it would have to involve a high first round pick next year I would think. Plus I would think someone else will be thinking the same thing, or grab him before the Skins could put it all together...
I do agree with you on the value, and will be interested to see just how much control/influence Shanny has on the draft, which I think this draft will be very telling in that respect. I treated this mock like he does have a huge say, although I do hope that I am wrong in that respect, becuase I think a Cameron Jordan and whomever is a better combination for the future of the franchise and is a better way to approach things myself...

Poz51
02-24-2011, 12:23 PM
I like Luke Stocker. I wish we could get a TE like Jermichael Finley but I know they just dont come around every draft :/

Agreed, and this class is very limited at TE IMO. Stocker is actually the only other TE in this class that I like at this point, beside Rudolph. The rest are limted or one dimensional (not acceptionally) IMO.

SimonRath
02-24-2011, 12:26 PM
i actually really like weslyn saunders

wicket
02-24-2011, 12:36 PM
LOVE the saints draft, dont even know what Id do differently

Grizzlegom
02-24-2011, 12:47 PM
Good Phins pick in the first round but not a fan of McDaniel. Bell has two more good years left in him and its looking like we are grooming Reshad Jones and Chris Clemons to be our two starting safeties for the long haul as both can play FS or SS. Would rather see Kaepernick or a speedy WR or TE there.

txparkes49x
02-24-2011, 01:15 PM
Allen Bailey in the second and thats great mock. Hoping we re-sign Lawson though if this was the draft.

thenewfeature06
02-24-2011, 01:21 PM
Really wouldn't be too mad if we went that direction again in the draft..

Iljiana and then O'Dowd could be future starters.

prock
02-24-2011, 01:36 PM
Cam Jordan is a good pick, but I am not sure about Ponder in the second, I don't think his value will be that high. I wouldn't hate it, but I might prefer a lineman like Cannon there.

DiG
02-24-2011, 01:39 PM
Lol, I thought you would not like it, and I understand completely as vicarious skins fan. It was upsetting to me, and I dont like it either...

I agree with you on Baldwin for the most part, especially the maturity concerns. I hope Moss comes back, besides some drops I thought he was thier only consistant receiver this past year, and think he needs to be brought back, and another piece added to the receiver core. I do believe however, Shanahan is more concerned with constructing his offense before putting much focus on the defense.

Fair point with the offensive concerns. I just don't see Baldwin as a good pick. Hell I'd rather "reach" on Greg Little (not a reach imo but going by most rankings it would be). In addition to AJ Green, Julio, and Torrey Smith, I have Little, Cobb, Young, Jernigan, and Hankerson ranked ahead of Baldwin. I've been reading alot of positive things on Tandon Doss too recently who seems like a good fit.

Babylon
02-24-2011, 01:40 PM
Seattle

Like the Harris pick but would probably not be crazy about Love in the second, Boling i think would be a better choice.

Overrall this is as good a mock as i've seen

TNPatsFan
02-24-2011, 01:47 PM
First, you really put a lot of analysis on there. Must have taken a while. Good job.

Now, the Patriots picks:
1. Kerrigan - Top choice, or one of the top choices, for most of us Pats fans. My only critique of your analysis is that I don't think he would be higher on the Pats board than Watt simply because it's a bigger need. I don't think they rate players based on need. Simply on how good they are regardless of position. Great pick though.

1. Castonzo - I personally am not a fan of Costanzo but confident the Pats will address the OL in this draft it's a pick that makes sense.

2. Wisniewski - Depending on what happens with Matt Light the Pats may be more likely to address interior OL before OT. I think Wisniewski is a good pick, but knowing what BB likes and knowing his love of Florida guys (and knowing that OG is probably a bigger need than C and Pouncey is probably the better OG), I would guess that they have Pouncey higher than Wisniewski.

2. Ballard - Interesting pick. Not sure how he fits on the Pats defense but they are almost certain to take a DL early in the draft so this could be a "value" pick.

3. Boling - Ok, we know the Pats are gonna draft an OL or two early.. but three?? I don't see that happening.

3. Little - I think he's a good risk/reward WR, and you did right by getting a WR with some size. I'm just not convinced the Pats are going to take a WR before the mid to later rounds. They are expecting Taylor Price to contribute next year and there isn't much room for another young WR. Not that I would mind it. There are some WR's I really like in this draft that I think would help them. But in my opinion they are far more likely to take a RB early in the draft than a WR.

Babylon
02-24-2011, 01:54 PM
This draft would be pretty damn upsetting to me. Thats not to say that I couldn't see either pick happening, because I definitely could see arguments for both. However, I think there are equal, if not more reasonable, arguments as to why neither pick should occur.

First, Shanahan does not have a strong history of drafting WRs early. Marshall was taken in the 4th round. Unless they think an AJ Green, or Julio Jones can have an immediate impact as a rookie (which is uncommon among WRs) than I don't see the Skins pushing for any other wr early in the draft. I also believe that the odds of Santana Moss resigning are a lot higher than Carlos Rogers are this point. So if you are basing picks off of anticipated players leaving in free agency than you might reconsider moving CB up towards the top of the list. Specific to Baldwin, I don't like him. I think he is slow out of breaks, lazy, moderate at best route running, and has serious maturity concerns.

I'll admit, I'm completely confused when it comes to the Skins and Locker. The big difference between this year and last year is that last year Locker was consistently considered a top 5 pick by most draft sites and draftniks. This year, its rare to see many rankings that still have him in the top 25. I don't doubt that Shanahan is interested in Locker but I do believe that Locker still has a lot to prove before hes the Skins guy at 10. I think its more likely that the Skins consider moving up from the early 2nd round to grab locker late in the first than take him at 10. Too many other needs and too good of value available.

Not saying you guys should or shouldnt take Locker at #10 but you have to ask yourself was last year an anomaly for the kid or was this year. Scouts are going to have to factor in the porous line, loss of his top TE, countless drops and a broken rib and see what they come up with. My guess is if he has a good weekend he'll probably jump up on most boards.

StrikeAnywhere
02-24-2011, 02:26 PM
if Champ Bailey leaves this could be a necessity, if not still could be warranted.
Champ was re-signed yesterday... curious if having that out of the way changes your mock at all?

BaLLiN
02-24-2011, 05:09 PM
The giants draft is good, but i think we need a true LT because Beatty may not be the answer

TACKLE
02-24-2011, 05:17 PM
Heyward, Jernigan and Ras-I would be an outstanding draft for Baltimore.

T-RICH49
02-24-2011, 05:17 PM
don't know much about Carter but nailed all of KC's needs

RJS113
02-24-2011, 06:12 PM
I'd prefer Watt over Clayborn, but still a great Bucs draft.

Matthew Jones
02-24-2011, 06:15 PM
Looks like a pretty good Pats mock!

Nalej
02-24-2011, 06:47 PM
I dig the pats mock

thebow305
02-24-2011, 06:55 PM
James Carpenter or Kris O'Dowd over McDaniel for the Phins. Ingram is a great pick. Reshad Jones will replace Yeremiah when he leaves.

OSUGiants17
02-24-2011, 07:14 PM
love that giants draft

vidae
02-24-2011, 07:21 PM
Great KC mock.

Iamcanadian
02-24-2011, 08:01 PM
The strength and talent in this year's draft lays in the DL. I expect to see Quinn, Bowers, Fairley and Darius all go in the top 5. These 4 players are all going to be huge impact players at the next level. Green and Peterson will be taken in the 6-10 area. The 2 QB's have a real shot to go in the top 5 because of position, a franchise QB trumps all in the draft. No matter what the detractors say, these 2 QB could go 1/2 in the draft if they impress at the combine or their pro days even if a trade is involved. I expect at least one to go top 5 for sure.
With Smith's weigh-in today, he has a solid shot at the top 10.

49erNation85
02-24-2011, 09:33 PM
I would rather take a QB in round two and go after Ponder or Stanzi.G is not really a need there.Love the first round pick though.Nice try though.

proshoota25
02-25-2011, 01:35 AM
yeah def an insane pats mock

Poz51
02-25-2011, 09:54 AM
i actually really like weslyn saunders

I like Saunders blocking abiltiy but not his consistancy, and have big questions about his route running, and game speed. Unfortunately having missed last season is going to hurt him IMO, in that he was unable to show improvement. I would take a 6th or 7th round flyer on him as long as he checks out character wise. He could enhance the falcons run game, and with his hands be a threat in the passing game on play action... Not sure if I will have the time to do a 7 rounder again this year, but I would give him full consideration in the later rounds if I do.

Poz51
02-25-2011, 10:05 AM
LOVE the saints draft, dont even know what Id do differently

I appreciate that! Not sure Watt will be around come April, but only only 23 guys can be selected before the Saints pick, so someone is going to fall right into their laps. I see some Justin Smith in him from when Smith came out, and although he might not be the pure pass rusher they might ideally want, his overall attributes only enhance the dline with Ellis and Smith, and with Jenkins creates an outstanding run front, and with Moch, Foster and Vilma blitzing will be more effective, and I think they will be more athletic and better in coverage. Thanks for the approval :)

Poz51
02-25-2011, 10:16 AM
Good Phins pick in the first round but not a fan of McDaniel. Bell has two more good years left in him and its looking like we are grooming Reshad Jones and Chris Clemons to be our two starting safeties for the long haul as both can play FS or SS. Would rather see Kaepernick or a speedy WR or TE there.

When I was looking at the depth charts and notes I had on Miami, I knew something was missing... Freaking Reshad Jones.... I normally do not switch any picks after I post the mock, but I just may for a bone headed mistake like that. I will, I could see Kaepernick fitting in and them "reaching" a little for him, I like Edmond Gates as a deep threat/#2 opposite Marshall as well, not feeling any TE's with that pick, just no value IMO. I would think Cobb, but I see him as more of a slot guy in the NFL (and a very good one), but dont think the Phins need someone like that... Looking back, I would say Gates, Kaepernick or Pat Devlin. What say you?

Poz51
02-25-2011, 10:33 AM
Allen Bailey in the second and thats great mock. Hoping we re-sign Lawson though if this was the draft.

Hmm.. Bailey was not on my radar for the 49ers, what do you like about that fit?
I tried to find a fit at OLB for them, and thought Beal would be a reach in the second IMO, and I thought Rachal's contract was up after this year. So I was under the impression that he would not be retained (I am probably wrong, I am sure), so I went with Watkins.
I almost went with Chris Carter in the third but thought Harbaugh would want to bring in a QB to work with, and thought Dalton was probalby the best fit for him in this draft so went in that direction. I did try to make it happen in regards to adding a pass rusher, but could not find the right match, and would agree that resigning Lawson would move up the priority list in this case.

Poz51
02-25-2011, 10:40 AM
Really wouldn't be too mad if we went that direction again in the draft..

Iljiana and then O'Dowd could be future starters.

I almost think they have to reinforce the line with thier first two picks, at least with the second and get the BPA for the line. I would think they would hope a center is available in the second, but Iljana is too great of a value to pass up, and offers flexability. O'Dowd injuries concern me, but I think he is the only center in the draft beside Wisniewski that could start this year, and in this situation I would think he would be a no brainer based on the first pick. I think both could be starters by the end of the next season.

Poz51
02-25-2011, 10:48 AM
Cam Jordan is a good pick, but I am not sure about Ponder in the second, I don't think his value will be that high. I wouldn't hate it, but I might prefer a lineman like Cannon there.

I have not been very high on Ponder myself since he became the starter at F.S.U. but I just see him going in the second round, I guess its a gut feeling, and I keep seening him in purple... I agree that his value is not that high, but as with Locker, and Gabbert I think he will go higher than his value dictates.
I still do not think that the Vikings QB of the future is on the roster myself, So I think in round 1 or 2 they grab a QB depending on how they fall. I did have Ijalana there as the other option, and QB, trumped LT/G.... Like I said with the first pick, trading down in the first makes alot of sense, especially if Jordan is there, I would think there will be plenty of suitors...

Poz51
02-25-2011, 10:58 AM
Fair point with the offensive concerns. I just don't see Baldwin as a good pick. Hell I'd rather "reach" on Greg Little (not a reach imo but going by most rankings it would be). In addition to AJ Green, Julio, and Torrey Smith, I have Little, Cobb, Young, Jernigan, and Hankerson ranked ahead of Baldwin. I've been reading alot of positive things on Tandon Doss too recently who seems like a good fit.

If Green falls in the first to the Skins at 10, they should have Darrell Green on stand by to get the card up to the podium.
I actually have Hankerston and Jerrigan rated higher as well and Young and Cobb right behind him, poised to move ahead, in additon to the others you mentioned. Tandon Doss is moving up to, and I am probably reading the same things you are, and have him as a 4th rounder now. Right now I hope its not like when the Bills picked Maybin and everyone and their mother new it wasnt a good pick. I hope the Skins do not take Baldwin, but I could see it. I would rather see anyone else you mentioned myself...

Poz51
02-25-2011, 11:12 AM
Seattle

Like the Harris pick but would probably not be crazy about Love in the second, Boling i think would be a better choice.

Overrall this is as good a mock as i've seen

I think Harris fits in really well with Carroll interms of attitude, character, and ability myself. Boling was in the thought process, as was Moffitt. I went with Love who I have higher on my rankings, and I think he has a brighter future as a tackle than Boling does. Boling I see as more of a guard who could play tackle in a pinch, than Love who I think could play guard who could develop into a tackle. If that makes sense... If they are looking for the better pure guard in the long run... Boling could very well be that guy, I just like flexability, so went with who I though offered more flexablity. Not to say Boling is the inferior prospect by any means, I think I have them seperated by 10-15 spots on my overall rankings. I appreciate the feedback :)

Poz51
02-25-2011, 11:47 AM
First, you really put a lot of analysis on there. Must have taken a while. Good job.

Now, the Patriots picks:
1. Kerrigan - Top choice, or one of the top choices, for most of us Pats fans. My only critique of your analysis is that I don't think he would be higher on the Pats board than Watt simply because it's a bigger need. I don't think they rate players based on need. Simply on how good they are regardless of position. Great pick though.
I was sure it would make Pats fans smile a little, but not the reason I put him here. Rating players based on ability is one way to do things, and generally effective. I just think it gets to a point/time where need has to come into play, and I think for the Pats in the pass rush department the time is now, and personally I believe pass rushers will be a hot commodity in this draft, and if you want one you will have to take him asap. I dont see alot of falling in that department in this draft. I could see them going with Watt, I just think eventually need trumps value. Like I said if they go BPA based on thier board, I could understand it. I actually have Kerrigan higher on my board by 3 spots overall.

1. Castonzo - I personally am not a fan of Costanzo but confident the Pats will address the OL in this draft it's a pick that makes sense.
I thought the same thing, it makes sense.

2. Wisniewski - Depending on what happens with Matt Light the Pats may be more likely to address interior OL before OT. I think Wisniewski is a good pick, but knowing what BB likes and knowing his love of Florida guys (and knowing that OG is probably a bigger need than C and Pouncey is probably the better OG), I would guess that they have Pouncey higher than Wisniewski.
I was 51/49 on this pick between Wis and Pouncey, and gave the nod to Wis in that he is the better center IMO, than Pouncey, and although Pouncey is the better guard, he is not that much better at guard than Wis is at center. Again in my opinion. I was thinking that they would have them about even, but it would not be surprising to me to see them go with Pouncey.

2. Ballard - Interesting pick. Not sure how he fits on the Pats defense but they are almost certain to take a DL early in the draft so this could be a "value" pick.
I like the way he uses his arms to keep distance between himself and the offensive lineman, and see him as a 5 technique with some added strength. I would think he provides immediate depth, particualrly in the pass rush department, and long term starter material.

3. Boling - Ok, we know the Pats are gonna draft an OL or two early.. but three?? I don't see that happening.
Light is going to be 33 next year and Koppen 32, Connolly will only be 29, but outside of Vollmer and Mankins the line is aging and/or has little depth to speak of. IMO future starters, depth and versatility are all offered this way. Castonzo can play T and G, Boling can play G and T, and Wis can play C and G, so not only is the future addressed, but depth as well. Or at least that is the way I looked at it :) I did not go into looking for three, but looking at everything it made sense to me...

3. Little - I think he's a good risk/reward WR, and you did right by getting a WR with some size. I'm just not convinced the Pats are going to take a WR before the mid to later rounds. They are expecting Taylor Price to contribute next year and there isn't much room for another young WR. Not that I would mind it. There are some WR's I really like in this draft that I think would help them. But in my opinion they are far more likely to take a RB early in the draft than a WR.
I was looking at several backs with that pick, in addition to other WR's. The way my mock went down, there will be a bunch of backs available in the 4th round, where as receivers with size I think are more limited moving on. I was also thinking that the Pats have a bunch of similar recievers, where as their backs are diverse.

I did invest some significant time into it, and appreciate the response.
I put my response in Bold only to give my reasoning behind the picks.
I appreciate the input and response, and look forward to hearing what you think about my retort.

Monomach
02-25-2011, 11:49 AM
First, Shanahan does not have a strong history of drafting WRs early.

Ashley Lelie, Darius Watts, Eddie Royal, Marcus Nash. Shanny's drafted wideouts in the first two rounds about as often as anything else.

txparkes49x
02-25-2011, 12:57 PM
Hmm.. Bailey was not on my radar for the 49ers, what do you like about that fit?
I tried to find a fit at OLB for them, and thought Beal would be a reach in the second IMO, and I thought Rachal's contract was up after this year. So I was under the impression that he would not be retained (I am probably wrong, I am sure), so I went with Watkins.
I almost went with Chris Carter in the third but thought Harbaugh would want to bring in a QB to work with, and thought Dalton was probalby the best fit for him in this draft so went in that direction. I did try to make it happen in regards to adding a pass rusher, but could not find the right match, and would agree that resigning Lawson would move up the priority list in this case.

OLB would be the priority in the second. Beal would be a reach with a disappointing senior bowl and i like Bailey opposite J. Smith. Soap isnt a starting end. Since not many quality OLB would be there id want Bailey or a trade down. Lawson will most likely leave so thats why its important but dont want to force it. Dalton could be a good 3rd for Harbaugh if he has a good combine.

Abaddon
02-25-2011, 04:05 PM
Probably a round, if not 2 rounds, too high for O'Dowd, imo.

jCut
02-25-2011, 04:08 PM
Solid Denver draft, maybe Liuget over Paea.

TNPatsFan
02-25-2011, 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TNPatsFan http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2532221#post2532221)
First, you really put a lot of analysis on there. Must have taken a while. Good job.

Now, the Patriots picks:
1. Kerrigan - Top choice, or one of the top choices, for most of us Pats fans. My only critique of your analysis is that I don't think he would be higher on the Pats board than Watt simply because it's a bigger need. I don't think they rate players based on need. Simply on how good they are regardless of position. Great pick though.
I was sure it would make Pats fans smile a little, but not the reason I put him here. Rating players based on ability is one way to do things, and generally effective. I just think it gets to a point/time where need has to come into play, and I think for the Pats in the pass rush department the time is now, and personally I believe pass rushers will be a hot commodity in this draft, and if you want one you will have to take him asap. I dont see alot of falling in that department in this draft. I could see them going with Watt, I just think eventually need trumps value. Like I said if they go BPA based on thier board, I could understand it. I actually have Kerrigan higher on my board by 3 spots overall.
True. The Pats are sure to look for players to improve their pass rush. That doesn't necessarily mean they will try to do that through an OLB, but considering they really only have three OLB's on the roster, and two of them are best suited for special teams and situational backup OLB's, they will almost certainly draft one. May not be round 1 though. I could see them passing on Kerrigan for an OL, a DL, or even a CB or RB, and taking a guy like Houston or Beal or Reed later. Won't get any complaints from me though if the pick is Kerrigan. He's high on my wish list.

1. Castonzo - I personally am not a fan of Costanzo but confident the Pats will address the OL in this draft it's a pick that makes sense.
I thought the same thing, it makes sense.


2. Wisniewski - Depending on what happens with Matt Light the Pats may be more likely to address interior OL before OT. I think Wisniewski is a good pick, but knowing what BB likes and knowing his love of Florida guys (and knowing that OG is probably a bigger need than C and Pouncey is probably the better OG), I would guess that they have Pouncey higher than Wisniewski.
I was 51/49 on this pick between Wis and Pouncey, and gave the nod to Wis in that he is the better center IMO, than Pouncey, and although Pouncey is the better guard, he is not that much better at guard than Wis is at center. Again in my opinion. I was thinking that they would have them about even, but it would not be surprising to me to see them go with Pouncey.
I like Wis a lot. I don't usually like spending a pick that high on a G or a C, but either of the two mentioned could be high on the Pats board.

2. Ballard - Interesting pick. Not sure how he fits on the Pats defense but they are almost certain to take a DL early in the draft so this could be a "value" pick.
I like the way he uses his arms to keep distance between himself and the offensive lineman, and see him as a 5 technique with some added strength. I would think he provides immediate depth, particualrly in the pass rush department, and long term starter material.
While I'm not a huge fan of Ballard, I think he would make a good choice in this part of the draft. I'm anxious to see his official height/weight numbers.

3. Boling - Ok, we know the Pats are gonna draft an OL or two early.. but three?? I don't see that happening.
Light is going to be 33 next year and Koppen 32, Connolly will only be 29, but outside of Vollmer and Mankins the line is aging and/or has little depth to speak of. IMO future starters, depth and versatility are all offered this way. Castonzo can play T and G, Boling can play G and T, and Wis can play C and G, so not only is the future addressed, but depth as well. Or at least that is the way I looked at it :) I did not go into looking for three, but looking at everything it made sense to me...
It's true the line is aging and they need some help. But it's not like they don't have depth, especially on the interior with Connolly, Ohrnberger, Wendell, and even Ojinnaka all seeing playing time at Guard this year behind Mankins and Neal. Boling's a decent player but with them already taking Wisniewski in this mock, I don't think he's so much better than the rest of these guys that he'd be assured a roster spot.

3. Little - I think he's a good risk/reward WR, and you did right by getting a WR with some size. I'm just not convinced the Pats are going to take a WR before the mid to later rounds. They are expecting Taylor Price to contribute next year and there isn't much room for another young WR. Not that I would mind it. There are some WR's I really like in this draft that I think would help them. But in my opinion they are far more likely to take a RB early in the draft than a WR.
I was looking at several backs with that pick, in addition to other WR's. The way my mock went down, there will be a bunch of backs available in the 4th round, where as receivers with size I think are more limited moving on. I was also thinking that the Pats have a bunch of similar recievers, where as their backs are diverse.
Yes, their backs are diverse, all TWO of them. Ha ha. I personally would rather see them get a top WR than to draft a RB early, but I think the fact that they are so thin at RB is the reason they would take one earlier than WR. Fred Taylor is a free agent and unlikely to be back, probably will retire. Sammy Morris is a free agent and his playing time dropped drastically this year. He is not likely to be back. He is active and effective on all special teams so that could be a reason to sign him back but I don't really expect it. We Pats fans love Kevin Faulk and he still looked like he could play forever until he got hurt. But the reality is he is also a free agent, will be 35 soon, and is coming off a major knee injury. He probably won't be back. That leaves Green-Ellis and Woodhead as the only RB's on the roster. Thus we think they will sign one veteran FA and draft at least one RB this offseason.

Thanks. My response to your response, in blue.

traced
02-26-2011, 02:49 AM
Sexy Bears mock. Love it.

Poz51
02-27-2011, 07:24 AM
Champ was re-signed yesterday... curious if having that out of the way changes your mock at all?

Bailey resigning almost made me go back and rethink, but looking at the depth chart and secondary in general, I would not change it. Bailey and Goodman are both 33 next year, S. Thompson IMO is a nickel and dime back, starter in a pinch, Jones I dont see as anything more than a depth/ST guy, there is a reason Chevis Jackson has played for 4(?) teams in the last year, and Vaughn was an undrafted FA(?). If/when Bailey moves to FS, that leaves Cox as the only potential/legit starting corner, and I think he's more of a #2 than a #1. Another aspect I considered is who is going to cover some of the bigger (Bowe, Jackson, etc.) receivers in the division? I think Peterson allows for more favorable match ups for denver. I also think Peterson along with Green are the... Cleanest, or have the least question marks among the players in the top five, and are safer in that regards as well. Does that make sense or am I way off IYO?

Poz51
02-27-2011, 12:39 PM
The giants draft is good, but i think we need a true LT because Beatty may not be the answer

Carimi could be a LT, I did however fight with myself over Tyron Smith, thinking that the Giants like athletic d-lineman, and thought they might make the same inference on the other side of the ball... I hear you...

Hermstheman83
02-27-2011, 09:19 PM
don't know much about Carter but nailed all of KC's needs

Agreed. I would LOVe those first two picks. I'm not sure about Carter though, based off the weight, we'd probably pass him up for a bigger OLB, or a center. I didn't look to see if O'Dowd was gone.

thebow305
02-27-2011, 09:41 PM
When I was looking at the depth charts and notes I had on Miami, I knew something was missing... Freaking Reshad Jones.... I normally do not switch any picks after I post the mock, but I just may for a bone headed mistake like that. I will, I could see Kaepernick fitting in and them "reaching" a little for him, I like Edmond Gates as a deep threat/#2 opposite Marshall as well, not feeling any TE's with that pick, just no value IMO. I would think Cobb, but I see him as more of a slot guy in the NFL (and a very good one), but dont think the Phins need someone like that... Looking back, I would say Gates, Kaepernick or Pat Devlin. What say you?

I would say Kaeperick is a strong possibility there, as they've shown quite a bit of interest in him so far. But like I said, an OG or OC like Carpenter or O'Dowd would seem to make much more sense there for the Phins.

Poz51
02-28-2011, 09:07 AM
Heyward, Jernigan and Ras-I would be an outstanding draft for Baltimore.

Thanks T, I appreciate it :) What are your thoughts on Ras-I in general, and the injury concern?

Poz51
03-01-2011, 07:37 AM
don't know much about Carter but nailed all of KC's needs

Carter needs to get stronger, and better in run support. He has been working with Willie McGinest at Athletes Performance, especially on his drops in pass pro. 16.5 tackles for a loss, 11 sacks last year, 4 forced fumbles, WAC defensive player of the year, and one of my most under the radar prospects in this draft. Is up to 248 lbs, and still ran in the 4.62-4.66 range at the combine with the extra weight. Has things to work on, including pass rush moves other than speed, but has no character concerns I am aware of, and has been working hard since arriving on campus from what I have heard and read. He destroyed Wisconsin in 2009, and although the third maybe early for him as he needs development still, I believe pass rushers will go a round or two early in this draft with the way they will fly out the door early.

Poz51
03-02-2011, 10:40 AM
I'd prefer Watt over Clayborn, but still a great Bucs draft.

I dont blame you, and think as of today I would agree. I have been apparently missing something with regards to Watt, and although I dont usually take much stock in the combine, Watt's is making me reconsider my thoughts on him. Appreciate the feedback :)

Poz51
03-02-2011, 10:44 AM
Looks like a pretty good Pats mock!

I dig the pats mock

Thank you gentlemen, appreciate it :)

Poz51
03-02-2011, 10:49 AM
I would say Kaeperick is a strong possibility there, as they've shown quite a bit of interest in him so far. But like I said, an OG or OC like Carpenter or O'Dowd would seem to make much more sense there for the Phins.

James Carpenter or Kris O'Dowd over McDaniel for the Phins. Ingram is a great pick. Reshad Jones will replace Yeremiah when he leaves.

I did switch the pick to Edmond Gates becuase I feel he is the best value, my crystal ball is telling me he most likely will not be there in my next mock, and I will strongly consider Carpenter and O'Dowd in my next mock, I appreciate the insight and input "Champ" ;)

Poz51
03-02-2011, 10:57 AM
love that giants draft

Thanks, I appreciate it!

Poz51
03-02-2011, 10:57 AM
Great KC mock.

Thanks, I really like Carter, and think he would be a potential steal for you guys.

Poz51
03-02-2011, 11:12 AM
The strength and talent in this year's draft lays in the DL. I expect to see Quinn, Bowers, Fairley and Darius all go in the top 5. These 4 players are all going to be huge impact players at the next level. Green and Peterson will be taken in the 6-10 area. The 2 QB's have a real shot to go in the top 5 because of position, a franchise QB trumps all in the draft. No matter what the detractors say, these 2 QB could go 1/2 in the draft if they impress at the combine or their pro days even if a trade is involved. I expect at least one to go top 5 for sure.
With Smith's weigh-in today, he has a solid shot at the top 10.

I would agree that the strength of this draft is in the DL, but I would disagree that those 4 will go in the top five, it would not shock me by any means, but I dont expect them to all be off the board at pick 6. Peterson IMO is a top 5 lock based on his abillty on the field, physical stature, and combine supported measurables, he is just so unique. Green I could see slipping into the 6-10 range, but IMO he is the best reciever to come out since Johnson, and is a top five player in this draft, production and no off the field issues. If Newton can maintain his composure I fully expect he and Newton to come off the board early. I know Bengals fans think that they can wait until the 2nd or 3rd rounds to pick up a QB, but IMO they almost have to take a QB, Carolina and Buffalo could easily take a QB, as could Arizona, Denver could but I highly doubt it, so I would agree that 2 QB's could easily go in the top 5. Even with the weigh in and some of the measurables on Smith, I am still far from sold on him, but agree that solid shot at the top ten, but who ever rolls the dice on him, is doing exactly that. This draft is one of oddest ones I can remember in a long time, no consenseus #1, no consenseus top 5, and with only 5 players going in the top 5, there are plenty of canidates to do so.

coordinator0
03-02-2011, 12:21 PM
To be honest I'm not feeling this Ravens draft much. Heyward is a guy I struggle with for this team. On one hand I think he's a great value at that spot, but on the other he's not really what we need opposite of Ngata. For the most part we're not using a base 3-4 set when we line up in that formation, we use more of a 3-4 over where Suggs is basically a DE and the 5-technique n the left side is basically a 4-3 base DE. Heyward seems like a perfect fit for teams that run a traditional 3-4 set, but for us we need a guy that can get to the passer from that position.

Jernigan fits the bill as an explosive threat, but he seems like a guy that will mostly be effective out of the slot. That might be the only WR position on the offense that we're not lacking in. Boldin plays/should play a lot there and he's pretty effective doing so. The team is really high on David Reed and that's where he's going to play as well. We need guys that can play on the outside.

Like I've said before (maybe not on any of your mocks), I don't want any part of Dowling for the Ravens. He's just not going to be an effective man-coverage corner in the NFL, which is what the Ravens do an overwhelming majority of the time.

Poz51
03-07-2011, 09:26 AM
To be honest I'm not feeling this Ravens draft much. Heyward is a guy I struggle with for this team. On one hand I think he's a great value at that spot, but on the other he's not really what we need opposite of Ngata. For the most part we're not using a base 3-4 set when we line up in that formation, we use more of a 3-4 over where Suggs is basically a DE and the 5-technique n the left side is basically a 4-3 base DE. Heyward seems like a perfect fit for teams that run a traditional 3-4 set, but for us we need a guy that can get to the passer from that position.

Jernigan fits the bill as an explosive threat, but he seems like a guy that will mostly be effective out of the slot. That might be the only WR position on the offense that we're not lacking in. Boldin plays/should play a lot there and he's pretty effective doing so. The team is really high on David Reed and that's where he's going to play as well. We need guys that can play on the outside.

Like I've said before (maybe not on any of your mocks), I don't want any part of Dowling for the Ravens. He's just not going to be an effective man-coverage corner in the NFL, which is what the Ravens do an overwhelming majority of the time.

Do think the Ravens need more of a Christian Ballard type in the first round?
Do you think Bolden could move back outside effectively?
I think you did say that in one of my previous mocks, about man corners, although I feel Dowling can be that guy for the Ravens. I think he gets a good jam at the LOS, is good at disrupting the timing of routes, and his hips are good enough to turn and run. I disagree that he will not be effective in man coverage in the league.

coordinator0
03-07-2011, 09:41 AM
Ballard would be an interesting pick for the Ravens. I think he would be a good fit, and he has the ability to be moved around in our fronts effectively. The value would probably match up with him as well.

Boldin will probably play more outside next season that he did last if David Reed gets more playing time as expected. I'm not necessarily down on him playing out there, but we still need another guy that can do so. I don't think that the offense is going to go with too many 4 WR sets, especially if we get our young TEs more involved like they should be, so getting somebody to play outside seems like a much better idea than getting another slot guy.

Well, if you think Dowling can play man in the NFL then I could see why you gave him to the Ravens. I just don't think he can.

Poz51
03-07-2011, 11:47 AM
Ballard would be an interesting pick for the Ravens. I think he would be a good fit, and he has the ability to be moved around in our fronts effectively. The value would probably match up with him as well.

Boldin will probably play more outside next season that he did last if David Reed gets more playing time as expected. I'm not necessarily down on him playing out there, but we still need another guy that can do so. I don't think that the offense is going to go with too many 4 WR sets, especially if we get our young TEs more involved like they should be, so getting somebody to play outside seems like a much better idea than getting another slot guy.

Well, if you think Dowling can play man in the NFL then I could see why you gave him to the Ravens. I just don't think he can.

I appreciate the feedback, it helps me get a better picture of the Ravens.
I will have to re think the Heyward pick, I see what you are saying about the fits regarding him and Ballard along the fronts that they use, Heyward baffles me at times as I think he should be much better at getting after the QB...
I hear you on the slot issue, that makes sense if Reed can produce from that spot, someone across from Boldin then. Maybe a guy like Edmonds or Shorts?
Do you think that there is a guy on the roster who can or they like to fill that spot?
As for Dowling, I do have some concerns, including his long range speed especially if there is no help over the top, but I guess my next question would be; do the Ravens play alot of press?

cotts1
03-07-2011, 12:04 PM
Lions will not take Sherrod, especially at 13. For all the criticism Backus gets, much of it is unwarranted. In fact, according to NFL.com O-line ratings, the Lions had the 4th best O-line in the NFL last year. They will keep that unit intact for at least one more year. Thus using the 13th pick on someone who may not even see the field this year wouldn't be very smart given the Lions are on the cusp of being a playoff team. Right now, I think Jimmy Smith has a real good chance of being our pick. Aldon Smith is also a possibility.

I love Bruce Carter in round 2. Moffit in round 3 is ok.

hybridremix
03-07-2011, 12:59 PM
Further Lions comments from a diehard...

13 – Detroit – Derek Sherrod (LT – Miss. St.)
I have Sherrod as my top rated LT prospect in this draft, he has stoned the best pass rushers in the SEC this year, gets a push in the run game, and knows how and when to move to the second level. While not on the elite level as many of the LT’s from the last few drafts, Sherrod in my opinion is a legit top 15 talent with the ability to come in and start immediately. The most mature and well rounded tackle in the class, Sherrod has the proven ability to come in and protect Matthew Stafford, while being able to help the run game as well. Not the best tackle at the senior bowl, but solid and steady with 36 consecutive starts at left tackle.
Grade: 1st Round – Previous Pick: Patrick Peterson

44 – Detroit – Bruce Carter (LB – U.N.C.)
I wanted to go with Quan Sturdivant to give some flexibility in the LB core, but the Lions take a gamble and roll the dice on Carter, who was a first rounder before the ACL injury. Carter is a work out freak, who will do everything it takes to get back on the field.
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Greg Jones

75 – Detroit – John Moffitt (G/C – Wisconsin)
Moffitt offers flexibility in being able to start at guard and shift over to center if the need arises. Grade: 2nd – 3rd

Like the previous poster I have to take serious issue with the Sherrod pick. National writers love to call OT a major need for the Lions and it always comes down to one statement: "They need to protect Stafford." It's terrible logic because any OT we take is not going to unseat Backus. The coaching staff loves him and he was voted the best LT in the division by NFC North personnel departments. Any OT we take is going to ride the bench all year. Mayhew may have a different view than I do, such as picking for the future, but after looking at your sequence my personal opinion is that he would not take any OT over J.J. Watt, Brandon Harris, or Julio Jones. Those three players are much more ready to step in and contribute from Day One than Sherrod solely as players, and they also fill positions that need major upgrades so they'll see the field immediately.

Carter is a risk pick that I've heard lots of people give to the Lions because we need OLBs so badly. It's by far our #1 need on the entire team. That being said, Carter does not fit the mold that Schwartz and Cunningham want for their OLBs. Recent comments indicate they are trying to build a defense with essentially two athletic SAM-type guys. They want excellent size and the ability to cover the TE with enough athleticism and speed to pursue like a normal WILL. This is because they want both players who can play weak or strong side, so they don't have to flip sides when the offense comes out in different formations. I believe our coaches want guys in the mold of Martez Wilson, Herzlich, and K.J. Wright, but would take a slightly smaller player if he were real good. I think Mason Foster would be picked over Carter, but given your sequence, Mayhew may choose to go with taking the high-upside, versatile Danny Watkins. The biggest need we have on the OL is a versatile interior guy who can push Sims and Peterman for playing time while backing up Raiola at C. So my opinion would be Foster or Watkins.

The Moffitt pick is a good one for the exact reasons I mentioned above about Watkins, though I do have to wonder if Round 3 isn't too early for Moffitt because of his lack of high-end athleticism. But if we were to take Watkins in Round 2 it's a moot point, and we'd still be looking for an OLB and CB at this spot. The first big thing I see when looking at your sequence is that Curtis Brown is available at #75. I think that's extremely low for Brown. He is very likely gone in the 2nd Round. But given your sequence the Lions will snatch him up immediately, having not filled that CB need yet. You don't have K.J. Wright in the 3rd Round so Mayhew would likely be targeting him for Round 4, but he's got the kind of upside that would make a good 3rd Round pick. Honestly I could also see Brown going in Round 2 and your Moffitt pick sticking, with Wright a 4th Round target.

Poz51
03-07-2011, 07:02 PM
Lions will not take Sherrod, especially at 13. For all the criticism Backus gets, much of it is unwarranted. In fact, according to NFL.com O-line ratings, the Lions had the 4th best O-line in the NFL last year. They will keep that unit intact for at least one more year. Thus using the 13th pick on someone who may not even see the field this year wouldn't be very smart given the Lions are on the cusp of being a playoff team. Right now, I think Jimmy Smith has a real good chance of being our pick. Aldon Smith is also a possibility.

I love Bruce Carter in round 2. Moffit in round 3 is ok.

Further Lions comments from a diehard...



Like the previous poster I have to take serious issue with the Sherrod pick. National writers love to call OT a major need for the Lions and it always comes down to one statement: "They need to protect Stafford." It's terrible logic because any OT we take is not going to unseat Backus. The coaching staff loves him and he was voted the best LT in the division by NFC North personnel departments. Any OT we take is going to ride the bench all year. Mayhew may have a different view than I do, such as picking for the future, but after looking at your sequence my personal opinion is that he would not take any OT over J.J. Watt, Brandon Harris, or Julio Jones. Those three players are much more ready to step in and contribute from Day One than Sherrod solely as players, and they also fill positions that need major upgrades so they'll see the field immediately.

Carter is a risk pick that I've heard lots of people give to the Lions because we need OLBs so badly. It's by far our #1 need on the entire team. That being said, Carter does not fit the mold that Schwartz and Cunningham want for their OLBs. Recent comments indicate they are trying to build a defense with essentially two athletic SAM-type guys. They want excellent size and the ability to cover the TE with enough athleticism and speed to pursue like a normal WILL. This is because they want both players who can play weak or strong side, so they don't have to flip sides when the offense comes out in different formations. I believe our coaches want guys in the mold of Martez Wilson, Herzlich, and K.J. Wright, but would take a slightly smaller player if he were real good. I think Mason Foster would be picked over Carter, but given your sequence, Mayhew may choose to go with taking the high-upside, versatile Danny Watkins. The biggest need we have on the OL is a versatile interior guy who can push Sims and Peterman for playing time while backing up Raiola at C. So my opinion would be Foster or Watkins.

The Moffitt pick is a good one for the exact reasons I mentioned above about Watkins, though I do have to wonder if Round 3 isn't too early for Moffitt because of his lack of high-end athleticism. But if we were to take Watkins in Round 2 it's a moot point, and we'd still be looking for an OLB and CB at this spot. The first big thing I see when looking at your sequence is that Curtis Brown is available at #75. I think that's extremely low for Brown. He is very likely gone in the 2nd Round. But given your sequence the Lions will snatch him up immediately, having not filled that CB need yet. You don't have K.J. Wright in the 3rd Round so Mayhew would likely be targeting him for Round 4, but he's got the kind of upside that would make a good 3rd Round pick. Honestly I could also see Brown going in Round 2 and your Moffitt pick sticking, with Wright a 4th Round target.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a75c9f/Matthew-Stafford-injury
Backus is going to be 34 next year, generally an age in which offensive lineman start to regress, that does not concern either or you?
Just to clarify, I am not harping on Backus, I believe he had a fine year last year, and this pick is not an indictment on him at all, and if you all are on the cusp of being a playoff team (I would agree, and like the Lions alot moving forward), when you are a play-off team how old/effective will Backus be? I can see taking another player, Watt, Smith and Smith all make sense...
Watching Curtis Brown play last year was not overly impressive IMO, but thats my opinion, so he very well could be the choice in the 3rd...
As for Carter, I think he has all the talent in the world to be a SAM backer, his primary position at U.N.C. from what I saw, and he could easily flip back and forth IMO, he is more than athletic enough, minus the current knee injury... Thats just me though...

styles44
03-07-2011, 08:07 PM
Not sure how crazy I am about the Lions taking two OL in the first three rounds. Our OL wasn't THAT bad. With the pick of Carter in the 2nd (which I like) we could theoretically end up with none of our first three picks playing to start the season (Carter because of injury, the other two because of veteran talent above them on the depth chart) which would be inexcusable. While we are improving as a team, we're still in no position to not get one starter out of the top of this draft.

However, on the bright side, this would somewhat secure a foundation to build on for the OL in the future.

hybridremix
03-07-2011, 08:55 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a75c9f/Matthew-Stafford-injury
Backus is going to be 34 next year, generally an age in which offensive lineman start to regress, that does not concern either or you?
Just to clarify, I am not harping on Backus, I believe he had a fine year last year, and this pick is not an indictment on him at all, and if you all are on the cusp of being a playoff team (I would agree, and like the Lions alot moving forward), when you are a play-off team how old/effective will Backus be? I can see taking another player, Watt, Smith and Smith all make sense...
Watching Curtis Brown play last year was not overly impressive IMO, but thats my opinion, so he very well could be the choice in the 3rd...
As for Carter, I think he has all the talent in the world to be a SAM backer, his primary position at U.N.C. from what I saw, and he could easily flip back and forth IMO, he is more than athletic enough, minus the current knee injury... Thats just me though...

I'm not concerned about Backus because his game is not about athleticism. He plays with intelligence, technique, and tenacity. Those don't diminish with age. He's like a Bruce Matthews type, just not as good. The other issue in this debate is that we already drafted Jason Fox last year with the expressed purpose of replacing Backus whenever age does kick in. So the problem with taking a LT prospect is twofold: 1) the guy won't help our team push for the playoffs because he'll be on the bench the whole time, and 2) we'd actually be drafting a second Backus replacement project. It just doesn't add up for me, not with so many valuable guys at big positions of need.

Certainly your opinion on Carter matters more than mine since you're the one making the picks, but my opinion is that he's a pure WILL. Nothing I've read indicates he has shown an ability to take on blocking. He sounds like an athletic freak who needs to be kept clean to make plays. Nothing wrong with that, but that's not a SAM. I think Mason Foster is much more capable of playing SAM, especially since he's done it at Washington, and I think Martez Wilson would be a perfect 2nd Rounder for us [but he's not available in your sequence].

As for Brown, he impressed a lot of people at the combine with his fluidity and ball skills. I've read that a lack of impact plays is definitely one of his negatives, so I'm not saying the 3rd Round isn't a good place for him. I just think he moved up in a lot of people's minds and I'm not sure he'll be available all the way in the middle of the 3rd.

@styles44
I completely agree. Two OL would be an awful draft, especially if the lockout lasts all the way to the season and FA is busted. Some example hypothetical picks with the OP's sequence would be:


(1) Brandon Harris, (2) Danny Watkins, (3) K.J. Wright
(1) Brandon Harris, (2) Mason Foster, (3) Greg Little
(1) J.J. Watt, (2) Leonard Hankerson, (3) Johnny Patrick
(1) Adrian Clayborn, (2) Mason Foster, (3) John Moffitt
(1) Julio Jones, (2) Mason Foster, (3) Curtis Brown

FlyingElvis
03-08-2011, 09:48 AM
17 – New England (via Oakland) – Ryan Kerrigan (OLB – Purdue)
Kerrigan’s tenacity and all out effort reminds me of Mike Vrabel, and with Aldon Smith off the board becomes the rest pass rusher available. New England could opt to go for DE J.J. Watt, but I think Kerrigan will be higher on their board given the need for a pass rusher. Of course the Pat’s could always trade down…
Grade: 1st Round, Previous Pick: Derek Sherrod

28 – New England – Anthony Castonzo (T – Boston College)Smart, athletic, and physical, Castonzo could be the blindside protector that takes over for Matt Light, or he could allow Sebastian Vollmer to slide over to LT, and take over the right side. Either way Castonzo offers versatility, even showing during the senior bowl that he can play guard.
Grade: 2nd – 1st, Previous Pick: Aldon Smith

33 – New England (via Carolina) – Stefan Wisniewski (C/G – Penn St.)After almost pulling the trigger on Wisniewski with the 28th pick, the Pat’s are relieved he is still there at pick 33. Offering flexibility in being able to play both guard and center, Wisniewski can provide depth, and spot start immediately, one day taking over Koppen.
Grade: 2nd-1st, Previous Pick: Mark Ingram

60 – New England – Christian Ballard (DE/DT – Iowa)
The Pats commit a draft “Robbery” that would make the “Snitchuation” proud. I know…
Grade: 2nd, Previous Pick: Christian Ballard

74 – New England (via Minnesota) – Clint Boling (G/T – Georgia)
One way or another, the future of the offensive line is looking up with this draft. Boling provides a potential starting right guard and depth at tackle.
Grade: 3rd

92 – New England – Greg Little (WR – U.N.C.)
A risky pick for the character conscious Patriots, but the added physicality and size he brings to the Patriots receiving core can only enhance it, and add a unique dimension to it. A bit of a gamble, but in reality the Pats have already traded down three times have two picks in each of the first three rounds of the 2012 draft, landed all the same players, and can take a risk.
Grade: 4th

This would be awesome for NE. The only knocks are on Costanzo & Ballard and it's the same issue for both - strength. That has to be the easiest thing to address for any player / position transitioning to the NFL. Sign me up for this haul. Maybe all of the trades and moves in the draft could somehow land us Hankerson as well? : )

Somebody email Bill . . .

Poz51
03-09-2011, 11:51 AM
I'm not concerned about Backus because his game is not about athleticism. He plays with intelligence, technique, and tenacity. Those don't diminish with age. He's like a Bruce Matthews type, just not as good. The other issue in this debate is that we already drafted Jason Fox last year with the expressed purpose of replacing Backus whenever age does kick in. So the problem with taking a LT prospect is twofold: 1) the guy won't help our team push for the playoffs because he'll be on the bench the whole time, and 2) we'd actually be drafting a second Backus replacement project. It just doesn't add up for me, not with so many valuable guys at big positions of need.

Certainly your opinion on Carter matters more than mine since you're the one making the picks, but my opinion is that he's a pure WILL. Nothing I've read indicates he has shown an ability to take on blocking. He sounds like an athletic freak who needs to be kept clean to make plays. Nothing wrong with that, but that's not a SAM. I think Mason Foster is much more capable of playing SAM, especially since he's done it at Washington, and I think Martez Wilson would be a perfect 2nd Rounder for us [but he's not available in your sequence].

As for Brown, he impressed a lot of people at the combine with his fluidity and ball skills. I've read that a lack of impact plays is definitely one of his negatives, so I'm not saying the 3rd Round isn't a good place for him. I just think he moved up in a lot of people's minds and I'm not sure he'll be available all the way in the middle of the 3rd.

@styles44
I completely agree. Two OL would be an awful draft, especially if the lockout lasts all the way to the season and FA is busted. Some example hypothetical picks with the OP's sequence would be:


(1) Brandon Harris, (2) Danny Watkins, (3) K.J. Wright
(1) Brandon Harris, (2) Mason Foster, (3) Greg Little
(1) J.J. Watt, (2) Leonard Hankerson, (3) Johnny Patrick
(1) Adrian Clayborn, (2) Mason Foster, (3) John Moffitt
(1) Julio Jones, (2) Mason Foster, (3) Curtis Brown


Personally I would be concerned with Backus in regards to the long run, I did like Fox last year, and hear you on him being the long term replacement. The Matthews comparison is interesting in that Matthews was the exception to the exception in terms of longevity and production into his late 30's. Regardless you have altered by thinking on that pick, and that direction is very cloudy for me, I am thinking a DE to rotate in with KVB and eventually replace him is making the most sense right now..
As for Carter, I found it interesting that I compare him and Foster alot, and think they are very similar players, same size, weight, and share many of the same attributes. I have read about Carter as primarily a WILL, but have also read him as a SAM as well, although most think he is a WILL, I will try to find the SAM reads tonight if I get a minute. Ill look into more before my next mock.
As for Brown, I would agree that he has done himself very well this off season and is most likely moving up boards maybe as high as the second round, but I cant get over the tape... IMO its not good, and I see him as the type that is a athlete playing football, rather than football player who is a great athlete. Thats just my .02 on him though, Ive been wrong before.
Thank you for the discussion and insight into the Lions, it genuinely is appreciated :)

coordinator0
03-09-2011, 12:09 PM
I appreciate the feedback, it helps me get a better picture of the Ravens.
I will have to re think the Heyward pick, I see what you are saying about the fits regarding him and Ballard along the fronts that they use, Heyward baffles me at times as I think he should be much better at getting after the QB...
I hear you on the slot issue, that makes sense if Reed can produce from that spot, someone across from Boldin then. Maybe a guy like Edmonds or Shorts?
Do you think that there is a guy on the roster who can or they like to fill that spot?
As for Dowling, I do have some concerns, including his long range speed especially if there is no help over the top, but I guess my next question would be; do the Ravens play alot of press?

I think you'll get a mixed response about Heyward from Ravens fans. Like I said before I think he's great value at that spot, and if we were to run a more traditional 3-4 set I would love that pick. But it's hard to project what Pagano will do, and from what he said I don't think we will be changing the sets too much.

Our receiver situation currently looks like this: Boldin, Mason, Reed, James Hardy, Brandon Jones, Marcus Smith (tendered), and Justin Harper (practice squad guy). No, we really don't have anything in terms of an outside receiver besides Mason (who's only effective on the outside and will likely be in his last season) and Hardy (chap signing, not really anybody to bet on).

If Pagano uses the corners similar to how we have been, there won't be much press coverage at all. If you remember the Bills game that's how Johnson destroyed us, we always gave him a cushion and Fitzpatrick was able to do a quick drop and throw. Now, the reason for not using press could have been that we didn't have any good press corners (or the fact that Mattison was an incompetent moron), but I think it was more of a scheme decision than anything.

CheeseKnuckles
03-09-2011, 12:49 PM
Cecil Shorts in the 2nd?

Poz51
03-10-2011, 11:33 AM
This would be awesome for NE. The only knocks are on Costanzo & Ballard and it's the same issue for both - strength. That has to be the easiest thing to address for any player / position transitioning to the NFL. Sign me up for this haul. Maybe all of the trades and moves in the draft could somehow land us Hankerson as well? : )

Somebody email Bill . . .

I agree with the strength issue, and agree that it is one of the easiest things to build on at the professional level. Hankerson... Hmm... The thought briefly crossed my mind, I will have to think some more about that, what do you like about him in regards to NE?
Im sure Bill has already addressed the issue, sent out an inter-office memo, email, text, page, and drawn it up on the war room white board ... Lol, infact I am sure of it ;)

Poz51
03-10-2011, 11:37 AM
Cecil Shorts in the 2nd?

For all the reasons I listed in the write up, and even one more; I think he is capable from starting day one. He and Chris Carter are two guys I like alot in the draft, and think are going to be long term steals for whomever takes them. I am sure I am in the minority with both, especially Shorts, but I firmly believe he will be one of the top recievers in this class... I actually compare him favorably to Donald Driver...

FlyingElvis
03-10-2011, 12:26 PM
I agree with the strength issue, and agree that it is one of the easiest things to build on at the professional level. Hankerson... Hmm... The thought briefly crossed my mind, I will have to think some more about that, what do you like about him in regards to NE?
Im sure Bill has already addressed the issue, sent out an inter-office memo, email, text, page, and drawn it up on the war room white board ... Lol, infact I am sure of it ;)

I'll preface this by saying it's based on my sifting through info on him, not film study or the massive work you (and some others here) put into actual scouting.


Things I like and know BB & the Pats brass will like:
- He's a senior.
- He has excellent production.
- He has clearly demonstated great work ethic and improved each season - likely translating to being a better pro than college player.
- He is currently ranked / mocked / graded as a second round pick - right where NE loves to get their talent.


On top of those, I think he absolutley has all the makings of a true #1. There's some conflicting reports on his ability to stretch the field but I think he has the tools and showed enough speed to do it, and that's what we need most to complement our mighty mites. Somebody has to open the middle (though Taylor Price may be that guy.) Even if he's not blowing by DBs, he has excellent body control and can go over them to get the ball.

Most importantly - height / weight / speed. He definitely brings the red zone presence NE needs and the size we lack.

Poz51
03-17-2011, 11:28 AM
I'll preface this by saying it's based on my sifting through info on him, not film study or the massive work you (and some others here) put into actual scouting.


Things I like and know BB & the Pats brass will like:
- He's a senior.
- He has excellent production.
- He has clearly demonstated great work ethic and improved each season - likely translating to being a better pro than college player.
- He is currently ranked / mocked / graded as a second round pick - right where NE loves to get their talent.


On top of those, I think he absolutley has all the makings of a true #1. There's some conflicting reports on his ability to stretch the field but I think he has the tools and showed enough speed to do it, and that's what we need most to complement our mighty mites. Somebody has to open the middle (though Taylor Price may be that guy.) Even if he's not blowing by DBs, he has excellent body control and can go over them to get the ball.

Most importantly - height / weight / speed. He definitely brings the red zone presence NE needs and the size we lack.

I appreciate the response, and apologize for the delay in mine. I like Hankerson alot, I really like hearing about his work ethic since the season ended, seeking out help, and appearing to genuinely want to work on getting better, both he and Torrey Smith are moving up my rankings, and I currently have them tied as my third overall recievers. My chrystal ball keeps telling me he goes in the second, and I think like Gronkowski last year, would be a steal for the Pats that I could see happening (God, I hate that team...). I will certainly keep in mind your points, which I believe make sense for my next mock. Which I hope to get really into after Gabberts pro day today.

FlyingElvis
03-17-2011, 12:14 PM
I didn't realize until after that post that Hankerson was a team captain, too. Another big plus for the Belichick draft philosophy.

Be advised, though, I'm lobbying for Hankerson way more than any Pats fan here. Most have significan concerns with his lapses in concentration and resulting drops. I just think he has shown all the signs of someone who will be dedicated to improving, which should give him a good shot at becoming an excellent receiver in the long run.

Poz51
03-17-2011, 12:36 PM
I didn't realize until after that post that Hankerson was a team captain, too. Another big plus for the Belichick draft philosophy.

Be advised, though, I'm lobbying for Hankerson way more than any Pats fan here. Most have significan concerns with his lapses in concentration and resulting drops. I just think he has shown all the signs of someone who will be dedicated to improving, which should give him a good shot at becoming an excellent receiver in the long run.

Lol, I noticed that "lobbying" harder than your fellow brethren ;)
I am trying to let the input I recieve affect my mocks this year than last. Cincy and NE fans affected my mocks last year too much, where as I had Gresham, Muckelroy, and Atkins for Cincy, and Spikes and Gronk in my NE mocks and were talked out of those picks by our fellow posters, so this year I am going to take it in still, but stick with my impressions and thoughts more... However I will take your advisment into consideration so that I can anticipate possible future negative reponses to up coming Mock, Mock, Mocks in regards to the possibility of the Pats taking Hankerson, and the subsiquent fallout that would surley result.
I have been toying with the thought of doing trades in my next mock, especially if I am not going to do a 7 rounder, trades and a 4 rounder, no trades and a 7 rounder, thoughts?
Also, quick question for you regarding your thoughts on the Pats trading up this year. Aldon Smith, worth trading up? Is this the year the Pat's could use their draft rescources to move up and grab a talent, instead of sitting back and seeing how things play out, who falls, etc?

FlyingElvis
03-17-2011, 01:03 PM
Spikes surprised all Pats fans as a 2nd round pick . . . but who tried to talk you out of Gronk?

Anyway . . .

I think this year would be a good candidate for a move up, but I would be surprised if Smith is the target. It's tough to argue the potential, but BB has always placed a ton of emphasis on multiple years of game history. A sophmore at 17 would, at the very least, cause my eyebrows to rise a bit. Trading up for one would shock me. I can't remember the last (if any) sophmore BB selected. JRs are even rare - though some of our best are JRs - like Mayo & Wilfork.

As for trades - that would be a lot of work for naught if no CBA is signed.

Poz51
03-17-2011, 06:23 PM
Spikes surprised all Pats fans as a 2nd round pick . . . but who tried to talk you out of Gronk?

Anyway . . .

I think this year would be a good candidate for a move up, but I would be surprised if Smith is the target. It's tough to argue the potential, but BB has always placed a ton of emphasis on multiple years of game history. A sophmore at 17 would, at the very least, cause my eyebrows to rise a bit. Trading up for one would shock me. I can't remember the last (if any) sophmore BB selected. JRs are even rare - though some of our best are JRs - like Mayo & Wilfork.

As for trades - that would be a lot of work for naught if no CBA is signed.

In my last mock, last year no one, and in the end I stuck with him because it made too much sense, but early in the "mock season" several questioned him as a second rounder mostly coming off the injury. I tried to go back and look, but the latest posting I could find was the 7 rounder I did before the draft. The feedback was not nearly as... harsh (for lack of a better word, it was not that bad) as it was for Spikes, and the closer to the draft (from what I remember) the more Gronk support picked up. For specifics, no names come to mind just a general feeling I remember from early in the process.
As for Smith, that makes a lot of sense and I had not thought of that, I appreciate the insight there.
Agreed regarding the CBA and trades, but I was thinking more along the lines of just draft pick trades... Earlier today during one of my way too many random daily thoughts, trades made sense, but I think I will just stick with a 7 rounder as is, just to see if I can put something decent out. Trades are hard to predict, and time is an issue.