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no bare feet
03-03-2011, 09:14 AM
Instead of making a new one for each player or team's Pro Day, discuss them here. Next post will have a schedule as they are starting today. Gil Brandt usually posts numbers from these days but I will do my best to post what I can find.

no bare feet
03-03-2011, 09:14 AM
03/03/2011 Baylor, FAU, Tulane, Utah State

03/04/2011 Alabama State, Albany State, Lindenwood, Troy, Weber State

03/07/2011 Arkansas Tech, Central Arkansas, Rhode Island, Tuskegee

03/08/2011 Alabama A&M, Arkansas, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Auburn, Fordham, Liberty, Minnesota, Northwestern, Oklahoma, Prairie View A&M

03/09/2011 Alabama, BYU, California-Davis, California, Clark-Atlanta, Colorado State, Georgia Tech, Kent State, Mississippi State, Nebraska-Omaha, North Texas, Northern Colorado, Portland State, Rutgers, West Georgia, Wisconsin, UTEP

03/10/2011 Akron, Buffalo, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisville, Nebraska, Northern Illinois, Ohio, Texas Tech, West Texas, Wofford

03/11/2011 Eastern Illinois, Idaho, Jackson State, Ohio State, Oregon State, Purdue, Southern Miss, TCU, Tennessee

03/12/2011 Arizona

03/14/2011 Air Force, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, LSU, Montana, Newberry, Wake Forest, Widener

03/15/2011 Bowling Green, Eastern Kentucky, Emporia State, Florida, Kansas State, McNeese State, Montana State, Pittsburgh, Robert Morris, Southeast Louisiana, Towson, Florida

03/16/2011 Arkansas-Monticello, Bowie State, California (PA), Delaware, Florida A&M, Illinois, Indiana, James Madison, Louisian-Monroe, Marshall, Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State, Virginia Union, William & Mary

03/17/2011 Appalachian State, Grambling State, Lehigh, Louisiana Tech, Michigan, Missouri, North Alabama, Stanford, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

03/18/2011 Arkansas State, Indiana State, New Mexico State, Northwestern State (LA), Temple, Virginia Union

03/21/2011 Abilene Christian, Georgia Southern, Iowa, North Dakota State, Valdosta State

03/22/2011 Iowa State, Mississippi, Nevada, South Dakota State

03/23/2011 Boston College, Central Florida, Connecticut, East Carolina, Iowa State, North Carolina State, Tennessee-Chattanooga, Texas State

03/24/2011 Boise State, Maine, Middle Tennessee State, UNLV, New Hampshire, New Mexico, San Diego State, South Florida, Southern Illinois, Tennessee State, Western Kentucky

03/25/2011 Arizona State, Ball State, Wofford

03/28/2011 Central Missouri, Cincinnati, Citadel, Missouri Western, Northwest Missouri State, Rice

03/29/2011 Coastal Carolina, Texas, UCLA, Utah

03/30/2011 New Mexico State, North Carolina Central, Northern Iowa, Southern California, Texas A&M-Kingsville, Washington

03/31/2011 North Carolina, Stephen F. Austin

04/01/2011 Eastern Washington

04/04/2011 Southern Methodist

04/07/2011 Jacksonville State, Notre Dame

BigJohn98
03-03-2011, 09:22 AM
Maybe I'm just blind, but I don't see Florida State's pro day anywhere.

no bare feet
03-03-2011, 09:26 AM
Maybe I'm just blind, but I don't see Florida State's pro day anywhere.

Neither do I. Do they have any prospects worth drafting this year? = )

RWills
03-03-2011, 09:47 AM
Neither do I. Do they have any prospects worth drafting this year? = )

Christian Ponder, Rodney Hudson and Markus White

cajuncorey
03-03-2011, 10:47 AM
Christian Ponder, Rodney Hudson and Markus White

keyword was worth

proshoota25
03-03-2011, 11:00 AM
funny seeing some random schools in there. schools like..... Rhode Island. hahha

shylo3716
03-03-2011, 11:16 AM
Can you list notable prospects who will work out for the small schools as well as bigger schools?

no bare feet
03-03-2011, 11:41 AM
Can you list notable prospects who will work out for the small schools as well as bigger schools?

I can, but since you asked, I won't.

shylo3716
03-03-2011, 11:43 AM
School Date Combine prospects
Abilene Christian March 21 Edmond Gates
Alabama March 10 James Carpenter, Marcell Dareus, Mark Ingram, Julio Jones, Greg McElroy
Appalachian State March 17 Daniel Kilgore, Mark Legree, D.J. Smith
Arizona March 12 Ricky Elmore, Adam Grant, Brooks Reed, D'Aundre Reed
Arizona State March 23 Lawrence Guy
Arkansas March 8 Ray Dominguez, DeMarcus Love, Ryan Mallett, D.J. Williams
Arkansas State March 18 Derek Newton
Auburn March 8 Darvin Adams, Nick Fairley, Mario Fannin, Cam Newton, Lee Ziemba
Baylor March 3 Phil Taylor, Danny Watkins
Boise State March 24 Jeron Johnson, Austin Pettis, Barndyn Thompson, Ryan Winterswyk, Titus Young
Boston College March 23 Anthony Castonzo, Mark Herzlich, Rich Lapham
Buffalo March 10 Josh Thomas
Cal U-Penn March 15 Josh Portis
California March 9 Chris Conte, Cameron Jordan, Mike Mohamed, Shane Vereen
Central Florida March 23 Bruce Miller (3/25), Jamar Newsome, Jah Reid
Central Michigan March 14 Nick Bellore
Cincinnati March 28 Armon Binns, Jason Kelce, Jake Rogers
Citadel March 28 Cortez Allen
Clemson March 10 Da'Quan Bowers, Marcus Gilchrist, Chris Hairston, Jamie Harper, Jarvis Jenkins, Byron Maxwell, Deandre McDaniel
Colorado March 9 Jalil Brown, Jimmy Smith, Nate Solder
Connecticut March 23 Zach Hurd, Greg Lloyd II, Scott Lutrus, Anthony Sherman, Jordan Todman, Lawrence Wilson
Delaware March 15 Pat Devlin
East Carolina March 23 Dwayne Harris, Willie Smith
Eastern Washington April 1 Taiwan Jones
Florida March 15 Ahmad Black, Marcus Gilbert, Chas Henry, Will Hill, Maurice Hurt, Carl Johnson, Mike Pouncey
Florida Atlantic March 3 Bob Housler, Lester Jean, Jeff Van Camp
Florida State March 16 Rodney Hudson, Christian Ponder, Markus White
Fort Hays State March 24 O.J. Murdock
Fort Valley State March 10 Ricardo Lockette
Fresno State March 10 Chris Carter (3/8), Ryan Colburn, Jamel Hamler, Andrew Jackson (3/8)
Georgia March 22 Clint Boling, Shaun Chapas, Vance Cuff, Josh Davis, Akeem Dent, DeMarcus Dobbs, A.J. Green, Justin Houston
Georgia Tech March 9 Anthony Allen, Mario Butler, Jerrard Tarrant
Hampton March 16 Kendrick Ellis
Hawaii March 31 Alexander Green, Kealoha Pilares, Greg Salas
Houston March 28 Isaiah Thompson
Idaho March 11 Nathan Enderle, Daniel Hardy (3/11, 3/14), Shiloh Keo
Illinois March 16 Mikel LeShoure, Corey Liuget, Martez Wilson
Indiana March 10 James Brewer, Tandon Doss, Terrance Turner
Iowa March 21 Christian Ballard, Adrian Clayborn, Ryan Donahue, Jeremiha Hunter, Karl Klug, Allen Reisner, Tyler Sash, Ricky Stanzi, Julian Vandervelde
Iowa State March 22 David Sims
Kansas State March 15 Daniel Thomas
Kentucky March 10 Randall Cobb, Derrick Locke
Lehigh March 17 Will Rackley
LSU March 14 Joe Barksdale, Josh Jasper, Pep Levingston, Drake Nevis, Patrick Peterson, Stevan Ridley (3/12, 3/14), Kelvin Sheppard, Terrance Toliver
Louisville March 10 Cameron Graham, Johnny Patrick (3/12), Bilal Powell
Marshall March 17 Lee Smith
Maryland March 16 Adrian Moten, Da'Rel Scott, Torrey Smith
Miami (Fla.) March 10 Allen Bailey, Damien Berry, Matt Bosher, Craig Cooper, Orlando Franklin, Leonard Hankerson, Brandon Harris, Colin McCarthy, DeMarcus Van Dyke
Michigan March 17 Jonas Mouton, Steve Schilling
Michigan State March 16 Mark Dell, Charlie Gantt (3/14), Greg Jones, Chris Rucker
Mississippi March 22 Kentrell Lockett, Jerrell Powe
Mississippi State March 10 Pernell McPhee, Derek Sherrod, Chris White, K.J. Wright
Missouri March 17 Blaine Gabbert, Kevin Rutland (3/3, 3/17), Aldon Smith
Missouri State March 18 David Arkin
Montana State March 15 Mike Person
Mount Union March 16 Cecil Shorts
Nebraska March 10 Pierre Allen, Prince Amukamara, Dejon Gomes, Eric Hagg, Roy Helu, Alex Henry, Ricky Henry, Niles Paul, Keith Williams
Nevada March 22 Virgil Green, Colin Kaepernick, Dontay Moch, Vai Taua
New Mexico State March 18 Davon House
North Carolina March 31 Marvin Austin, Kendric Burney, Bruce carter, Shaun Draughn, Greg Little (3/30), Zack Pianalto, Robert Quinn, Da'Norris Searcy, Quan Sturdivant (3/30), Johnny White, Deunta Williams, T.J. Yates
North Carolina State March 23 Nate Irving, Owen Spencer
Northern Iowa March 30 Schuylar Oordt
Notre Dame April 7 Armando Allen, Kyle Rudolph, Ian Williams
Ohio State March 11 Justin Boren, Chimdi Chekwa, Cam Heyward*, Jermale Hines, Ross Homan, Brian Rolle, Brandon Saine, Dane Sanzenbacher, Devon Torrence
Oklahoma March 8 Jeremy Beal, Quinton carter, DeMarco Murray, Adrian Taylor
Oklahoma State March 9 Dan Bailey, Ugo Chinasa, Kendall Hunter, Orie Lemon, Andrew McGee (3/17)
Oregon March 10 Brandon Bair, Jeff Maehl, Casey Matthews
Oregon State March 11 Alex Linnenkohl, Stephen Paea, Jacquizz Rodgers
Penn State March 16 Evan Royster, Stefen Wisniewski
Pittsburgh March 15 Jon Baldwin, Henry Hynoski, Dion Lewis, Jason Pinkston (3/14, 3/15), Greg Romeus, Jabaal Sheard
Portland State March 9 Julius Thomas
Purdue March 11 Ryan Kerrigan, Keith Smith
Rice March 28 Cheta Ozougwu
Richmond March 18 Martin Parker, Justin Rogers
Rutgers March 9 Joe Lefeged
San Diego State March 24 Vince Brown, DeMarco Sampson
Slippery Rock March 17 Brandon Fusco
SMU April 4 Al Robinson
South Carolina March 30 Ladi Ajiboye, Garrett Chisolm, Chris Culliver, Tori Gurley, Jarriel King, Cliff Matthews, Weslye Saunders
South Florida March 24 Terrell McCalin
SE Louisiana March 15 Kevin Hughes
Southern California March 30 Allen Bradford, Jordan Cameron, Jurrell casey, Stanley Havill, Ronald Johnson, Kris O'Dowd (3/31), Tyron Smith (3/31), Shareece Wright
Southern Miss March 11 DeAndre Brown
Stanford March 17 Sione Fua, Owen Marecic, Richard Sherman, Ryan Whalen
Syracuse March 23 Ryan Bartholomew, Delone carter, Doug Hogue, Derrell Smith
Temple March 18 Jaiquawn jarrett, Elijah Joseph, Muhammad Wilkerson
Tennessee March 11 Denarius Moore, Luke Stocker
Tennessee-Chatt March 23 Buster Skrine
Texas March 28 Sam Acho, Chykie Brown (3/29), Curtis Brown, Kyle Hix (3/29), Aaron Williams
Texas A&M March 9 Jerrod Johnson, Von Miller
TCU March 11 Marcus Cannon, Andy Dalton, Wayne Daniels, Jeremy Kerley, Jimmy Young
Texas Tech March 10 Colby Whitlock
Troy March 4 Jerrel Jernigan
Tulsa March 7 Charles Clay
UCLA March 29 Akeem Ayers, Kai Forbath (3/28), Rahim Moore
Utah March 29 Matthew Asiata, Brandon Burton, Caleb Schlauderaff, Sealver Silga (3/23), Zane Taylor
Utah State March 28 Curtis Marsh
Villanova March 16 Ben Ijalana
Virginia March 17 Danny Aiken, Ras-I Dowling
Virginia Tech March 17 Rashad Carmichael, Darren Evans, John Graves, Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Williams, Marshall Williams
Washington March 30 Mason Foster, Jake Locker, Nate Williams
Washington State March 10 Reid Forrest, Zack Williams
West Texas A&M March 10 Stephen Burton
West Virginia March 17 Brandon Hogan, Chris Neild, Josk Sanders, Robert Sands, J.T. Thomas
Wisconsin March 9 Niles Brinkley, Gabe Carimi, John Clay, Lance Kendricks, John Moffitt, Scott Tolzien, J.J. Watt




*Cam Heyward will not work out at Ohio State's pro day on March 11, but will instead have a personal workout for scouts on March 30.

no bare feet
03-03-2011, 11:44 AM
man, you ruined my funny

Hines
03-03-2011, 04:23 PM
I doubt this is relevant, but Tulane had a tackle do extremely well during the testing period.

Pete Hendrickson: 6'8 305 5 flat 40, 4.6 SS, 7.8 3 cone, 32 inch vert, 9'4 broad, 25 bench reps.

shylo3716
03-03-2011, 04:28 PM
Is Ryan Hill not an NFL prospect? He is not on the Pro Day list for DA U

Hines
03-03-2011, 04:34 PM
Is Ryan Hill not an NFL prospect? He is not on the Pro Day list for DA U

I think he listed just the notable prospects. I'm sure he's going to perform there.

Grizzlegom
03-03-2011, 04:36 PM
Is Ryan Hill not an NFL prospect? He is not on the Pro Day list for DA U

Don't sweat it, he'll be there. Seen him rise amongst rankings lately, he could hear his name at the tail of the draft but if not will definitely get a shot as a PFA.

There are a lot of players not listed on the list. I know Penn State has more than just Royster and Wisniewski working out (TE Brett Brackett and DT Ollie Ogbu the only other notables but there will be at least 4 other guys that are definitely gonna be there, LBs Bani Gbadyu and Chris Colasanti, C Doug Klopacz, and K Colin Wagner). So yea, just means whoever compiled that list doesn't think the other guys are draftable.

dannyz
03-03-2011, 09:26 PM
I have a Question. Can players not in the Draft still work out for teams at pro days? Like at Alabama's pro day can Trent Richardson work out for Scouts even though he can't go to the draft until next year? Thanks.

gpngc
03-03-2011, 09:47 PM
Who are we waiting on? Just Gabbert to throw and Heyward? I feel like everyone ran at the combine this year...

Usually there are a bunch of big-name guys who wait to run and lift at their pro-days. I can't think of one guy this year who skipped the combine testing except for injured players... hmmmm...

RealityCheck
03-03-2011, 09:50 PM
North Carolina March 31 Marvin Austin, Kendric Burney, Bruce carter, Shaun Draughn, Greg Little (3/30), Zack Pianalto, Robert Quinn, Da'Norris Searcy, Quan Sturdivant (3/30), Johnny White, Deunta Williams, T.J. Yates

Drinks on me.

cajuncorey
03-03-2011, 10:02 PM
Who are we waiting on? Just Gabbert to throw and Heyward? I feel like everyone ran at the combine this year...

Usually there are a bunch of big-name guys who wait to run and lift at their pro-days. I can't think of one guy this year who skipped the combine testing except for injured players... hmmmm...

bowers didnt run at the combine either

gpngc
03-03-2011, 10:03 PM
bowers didnt run at the combine either

I knew I was forgetting a big name. lol.

JHL6719
03-03-2011, 11:40 PM
Any information on how the pro days went today?

JHL6719
03-04-2011, 01:41 AM
I would still like to see Daniel Thomas, Taiwan Jones, and Bilal Powell workout. At least run a 40 or something.

brasho
03-04-2011, 05:14 AM
I don't recall Devine running either. Or Nate Irving or any of the UNC LBs (that is if Carter ever runs this spring).

oldman9er
03-04-2011, 10:18 AM
I don't recall Devine running either.

This one interests me greatly. I was pleased when Devine weighed in at 179 lbs and benching 24 reps... then, very disappointed when I heard a right ankle injury kept him from running.

I'm stubbornly keeping him as a 4th rounder, but really want to see some numbers at his pro day to strengthen my belief in him.

Iamcanadian
03-04-2011, 10:25 AM
Here's the NFL.com posts on Pro Days starting with Baylor's.

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/

Babylon
03-04-2011, 11:19 AM
Who are we waiting on? Just Gabbert to throw and Heyward? I feel like everyone ran at the combine this year...

Usually there are a bunch of big-name guys who wait to run and lift at their pro-days. I can't think of one guy this year who skipped the combine testing except for injured players... hmmmm...

It will be interesting to see if Kyle Rudolph runs before the draft. Talent wise he's a 1st round pick but that injury, from what i hear, can be of significance. New England got probably the steal of the draft last year by taking Rob Gronkowski in the second, a guy who had he played last year would have no doubt been a #1.

LizardState
03-04-2011, 12:18 PM
It will be interesting to see if Kyle Rudolph runs before the draft. Talent wise he's a 1st round pick but that injury, from what i hear, can be of significance. New England got probably the steal of the draft last year by taking Rob Gronkowski in the second, a guy who had he played last year would have no doubt been a #1.

Pretty crappy yr. for TEs, IDK about Rudolph injured.... maybe there's The Next Kevin Boss out there somewhere. Maybe Wesyle Saunders, SCAR, he's freaking huge, 6-7 & about 265, standout point of attack blocker anyway in thier big games.

And those sneaky Patriots have 3 picks in the 1st 2 rds. again this draft, once more <your team here> if forced to make a deal with the devil AKA Bellichick to move up for Your Guy. It's Al Davis' fault this time for overpaying for Seymour, but then again they stopped the run pretty well after they got him & pre-Seymour they were awful. Even in a lockout it's still the NFL where you get what you pay for.

JHL6719
03-04-2011, 12:25 PM
Pretty crappy yr. for TEs, IDK about Rudolph injured.... maybe there's The Next Kevin Boss out there somewhere. Maybe Wesyle Saunders, SCAR, he's freaking huge, 6-7 & about 165, standout point of attack blocker anyway in thier big games.

And those sneaky Patriots have 3 picks in the 1st 2 rds. again this draft, once more <your team here> if forced to make a deal with the devil AKA Bellichick to move up for Your Guy. It's Al Davis' fault this time for overpaying for Seymour, but then again they stopped the run pretty well after they got him & pre-Seymour they were awful. Even in a lockout it's still the NFL where you get what you pay for.


LMAO @ 6-7, 165. Dude would look like a 3-iron

cajuncorey
03-04-2011, 12:30 PM
Pretty crappy yr. for TEs, IDK about Rudolph injured.... maybe there's The Next Kevin Boss out there somewhere. Maybe Wesyle Saunders, SCAR, he's freaking huge, 6-7 & about 165, standout point of attack blocker anyway in thier big games.

And those sneaky Patriots have 3 picks in the 1st 2 rds. again this draft, once more <your team here> if forced to make a deal with the devil AKA Bellichick to move up for Your Guy. It's Al Davis' fault this time for overpaying for Seymour, but then again they stopped the run pretty well after they got him & pre-Seymour they were awful. Even in a lockout it's still the NFL where you get what you pay for.

HA! (10 char)

LizardState
03-04-2011, 12:43 PM
LMAO @ 6-7, 165. Dude would look like a 3-iron

typo -- fixed it.

niel89
03-04-2011, 04:55 PM
I think I need to make up some fake media credentials so that I can go to the Stanford pro day this year. I bet that there will be a good amount of scouts going because I'm guessing Luck will be there to help throw.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-04-2011, 06:13 PM
Jernigan did really well for himself. Glad to see him improve, I love the kid. 4.32 and 4.38 40 yard dash with a 38 inch vert.

trojanbrutha
03-04-2011, 06:51 PM
Jernigan did really well for himself. Glad to see him improve, I love the kid. 4.32 and 4.38 40 yard dash with a 38 inch vert.

now that sounds more like it...

nepg
03-04-2011, 08:15 PM
It will be interesting to see if Kyle Rudolph runs before the draft. Talent wise he's a 1st round pick but that injury, from what i hear, can be of significance. New England got probably the steal of the draft last year by taking Rob Gronkowski in the second, a guy who had he played last year would have no doubt been a #1.

Cincy's not complaining about Gresham, and KC's not complaining about Moeaki, either. Rudolph's a first rounder, imo. Last year set a precedent for not being able to afford being scared off by injured TEs.

Iamcanadian
03-05-2011, 10:31 AM
Cincy's not complaining about Gresham, and KC's not complaining about Moeaki, either. Rudolph's a first rounder, imo. Last year set a precedent for not being able to afford being scared off by injured TEs.

Unless he works out, he'll never see round 1 in this strong draft.

Gunshinestate
03-05-2011, 06:39 PM
Don't sweat it, he'll be there. Seen him rise amongst rankings lately, he could hear his name at the tail of the draft but if not will definitely get a shot as a PFA.

There are a lot of players not listed on the list. I know Penn State has more than just Royster and Wisniewski working out (TE Brett Brackett and DT Ollie Ogbu the only other notables but there will be at least 4 other guys that are definitely gonna be there, LBs Bani Gbadyu and Chris Colasanti, C Doug Klopacz, and K Colin Wagner). So yea, just means whoever compiled that list doesn't think the other guys are draftable.

To those who don't know much about football, Ryan Hill isn't a name that counts. To those that do know a little about football, Ryan Hill is a name to know. Hill is scheduled to perform at pro day. My sources tell me there are 5 teams that have Ryan Hill rated higher than Brandon Harris on their list.

Hill meets with Bill Belichick on Wednesday. I've also heard the texans are high on him also. Make no mistake, Hill will be drafted. if he runs a 4.4 at pro day, count on his stock to rise.

Hill has the same agent as Raheem Morris and Mike Tomlin. In my opinion, the question shouldn't be will he get drafted. It should be will he last past the 3rd round.

Caulibflower
03-07-2011, 03:30 AM
Just for fun, I looked up Arian Foster's pre-draft measurables. Didn't work out at the combine because of a hamstring injury. At his pro day he weighed in at 226, had a 32" vert and a 9'7" broad, 4.53 short shuttle, 7.09 3-cone and had a 1.62 split on a 4.69 40.

Just another future All-Pro looking about as average as possible.

LonghornsLegend
03-07-2011, 03:40 AM
Who are we waiting on? Just Gabbert to throw and Heyward? I feel like everyone ran at the combine this year...

Usually there are a bunch of big-name guys who wait to run and lift at their pro-days. I can't think of one guy this year who skipped the combine testing except for injured players... hmmmm...

Bowers has alot riding on this workout.

no bare feet
03-07-2011, 06:49 AM
Bowers has alot riding on this workout.

He has a lot more riding on his medical.

draftguru151
03-07-2011, 09:51 AM
Auburn's pro day is going to be on espn3 tomorrow.

Babylon
03-07-2011, 01:06 PM
Auburn's pro day is going to be on espn3 tomorrow.

Surprised it isnt going to be on in prime time on all the major networks.

critesy
03-07-2011, 05:00 PM
Surprised it isnt going to be on in prime time on all the major networks.
it should be.. ****.

batsandgats
03-08-2011, 11:18 AM
Chris Prosinski S from Wyoming 6-foot 1/8, 201 pounds

317 tackles in the last 3 years. 5 interceptions and 4 forced fumbles, 20 pass deflections just ran a 4.39 at his pro day with a 11.2 Broad jump and a 39.5 inch vertical. The short shuttle in 4.28 seconds and the three-cone drill in 6.85 seconds.


sounds like a sleeper pick to me

he wouldve been tied for first among ALL defensive backs for vertical jump, first in the Broad, just a hair under the combine record, he wouldve tied for first in the 3 cone drill among safetys this year and just right outside the top performers in the shuttle.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 11:23 AM
Chris Prosinski S from Wyoming 6-foot 1/8, 201 pounds

317 tackles in the last 3 years. 5 interceptions and 4 forced fumbles, 20 pass deflections just ran a 4.39 at his pro day with a 11.2 Broad jump and a 39.5 inch vertical. The short shuttle in 4.28 seconds and the three-cone drill in 6.85 seconds.


sounds like a sleeper pick to me

Sounds a little like the next John Wendling to me. They got thin air up there in Wyoming?

DraftBreakdown
03-08-2011, 11:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-e9jrQ8iQo

There's a video of Prosinski

batsandgats
03-08-2011, 11:40 AM
I think hes better than Wendling, although getting a special teams pro bowler in the 6th or 7th round would be a pretty good steal if you ask me. I don't think thin air has to do with all of it otherwise we would see more times like this although it wouldve been nice to see him at the combine to see how he tested out. Even if his hand time was off by .20 he would be in the top 5 for a safety at the combine.

Wendling never had the number of defensive tackles that Chris has had, he put up 100+ the past two years. I think Wendling's best was 89, which is still impressive.

boknows34
03-08-2011, 12:52 PM
Mallett just ran (if you want to call it that) his 40 in 5.37. No wonder he didn't run at the Combine.

Fairley is up to 297lbs.

FUNBUNCHER
03-08-2011, 01:08 PM
Mallett just ran (if you want to call it that) his 40 in 5.37. No wonder he didn't run at the Combine.



LOLOL!!!

That's Drew Bledsoe mobility at the END of his career. Slow for an OT.

Mallett better develop a zen like pocket awareness or he'll never get the chance to throw those beautiful spirals in real game situations.

Teams are going to blitz him to death!

batsandgats
03-08-2011, 01:10 PM
what were his other numbers? 3 one drill? shuttle? 40 yard dash is not necessarily an indicator of mobility in the pocket

boknows34
03-08-2011, 01:24 PM
what were his other numbers? 3 one drill? shuttle? 40 yard dash is not necessarily an indicator of mobility in the pocket

The only numbers I've seen are a 26 inch vertical and a broad jump of just over 8 feet, 7 inches. Only Nathan Enderle had a worse vertical in Indianapolis, and only TCU's Andy Dalton had a shorter broad jump.

Mallett is half a second slower than Nick Fairley and only 8 tenths faster than Rich Eisen, who was wearing a suit.

Caulibflower
03-08-2011, 01:40 PM
Mallett just ran (if you want to call it that) his 40 in 5.37. No wonder he didn't run at the Combine.

Fairley is up to 297lbs.

Did you just get that watching ESPN3 or something, or is it possible that you have a link?

Babylon
03-08-2011, 01:51 PM
what were his other numbers? 3 one drill? shuttle? 40 yard dash is not necessarily an indicator of mobility in the pocket

What does it matter the guy is a snail. Great arm but zero mobility. Add some character concerns and it isnt a good combination.

Brothgar
03-08-2011, 01:54 PM
For those who care Taiwan Jones will be participating at Hawaii's Pro Day

Babylon
03-08-2011, 01:58 PM
Don't get espn3 so what is the scheduled time for Newton to throw and run today, assuming he will run.

TACKLE
03-08-2011, 02:04 PM
Don't get espn3 so what is the scheduled time for Newton to throw and run today, assuming he will run.

He's not running. He's standing on his times from the combine.

RealityCheck
03-08-2011, 02:07 PM
For those who care Taiwan Jones will be participating at Hawaii's Pro Day
I care.

And Mallett's speed (or lack of) is just another clue that he's the second coming of Drew Bledsoe.

jnew76
03-08-2011, 02:07 PM
I am watching now and it looks like we are a little way off from Newton throwing.

FUNBUNCHER
03-08-2011, 02:17 PM
What does it matter the guy is a snail. Great arm but zero mobility. Add some character concerns and it isnt a good combination.
Mallett has functional mobility, he wasn't a gimme sack against SEC defenses.

But rolling out of the pocket extending plays is not his game. Moving laterally, most DTs run him down easily.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 02:24 PM
Mallett has functional mobility, he wasn't a gimme sack against SEC defenses.

But rolling out of the pocket extending plays is not his game. Moving laterally, most DTs run him down easily.

I have functional mobility too as in i can get from the couch to the fridge for a beer. The guy is a statue. He does have the size though that should help him shake off a rusher, ideally he gets with a team with a good o-line.

FuzzyGopher
03-08-2011, 02:43 PM
I lol'd when I saw Mallet's 40. It's even funnier when you consider that guys are usually timed faster at their pro days than they are at the combine. Not that speed really matters for a QB, but god damn is that slow.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 02:48 PM
I lol'd when I saw Mallet's 40. It's even funnier when you consider that guys are usually timed faster at their pro days than they are at the combine. Not that speed really matters for a QB, but god damn is that slow.

He should have stood on his DNP from the combine.

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 02:52 PM
Mallett has functional mobility, he wasn't a gimme sack against SEC defenses.

But rolling out of the pocket extending plays is not his game. Moving laterally, most DTs run him down easily.
He was a gimme sack in the SEC. Functional mobility indicates that he can in fact walk, but the guy is an absolute mess in the pocket.

His 40 time is irrelevant as his is vertical. I think he and Brady both have 24" verticals.

FuzzyGopher
03-08-2011, 02:56 PM
I'd like to see Charlie Sheen in a foot race against Mallett. First one to cross the finish line gets a gigantic pile of blow.

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 02:57 PM
I'd like to see Charlie Sheen in a foot race against Mallett. First one to cross the finish line gets a gigantic pile of blow.
Who wins in a foot race... Mallett or Pat Williams?

FuzzyGopher
03-08-2011, 03:00 PM
Mallett wins, Pat can't run 40 yards.

CheechHarvin12
03-08-2011, 03:05 PM
Andre Smith's man boobs 5.28
Mallett 5.37
Good lord

gpngc
03-08-2011, 03:18 PM
Mallett is ******* 6'7". His "poor" 40 time was pretty much expected and is irrelevant due to his position.

He isn't great in the pocket but his lack of elite athleticism didn't stop him from throwing for 32 TDs this season.

He also ran for 7 TDs throughout his career.

FUNBUNCHER
03-08-2011, 03:21 PM
He was a gimme sack in the SEC. Functional mobility indicates that he can in fact walk, but the guy is an absolute mess in the pocket.

His 40 time is irrelevant as his is vertical. I think he and Brady both have 24" verticals.

Mallett was sacked 25 times last season.
Newton - sacked 23 times.
Gabbert - 23 sacks.
Ponder - 23
Dalton - 8 times.
Locker - 19.

Mallett's footwork will be key for him, making split second reads and getting rid of the football. He simply won't be able to buy much time in the pocket.

You'd think Mallett would be hard to tackle at 6'7, 250+#, but when a tackler hits him, he's goes DOWN.

Caulibflower
03-08-2011, 03:27 PM
He should have stood on his DNP from the combine.

Made me chuckle.

LizardState
03-08-2011, 03:27 PM
ESPN reporting Mallett with a 5.375 40 time, ouch!! No wonder he got caught from behind every time he ran in the SEC.

How did Fairley do in his drills though today? He seriously needed to post a better pro day workout than Newton. He will have to show a better motor & quickness imo.

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 03:28 PM
ESPN reporting Mallett with a 5.375 40 time, ouch!! No wonder he got caught from behind every time he ran in the SEC.
It's a shame no other conference is quite fast enough to keep up with that kind of speed.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 03:30 PM
I'd like to see Charlie Sheen in a foot race against Mallett. First one to cross the finish line gets a gigantic pile of blow.

With Charlie you'd have to add a couple of young blondes at the finish line and then you'd see some wheels from him.

batsandgats
03-08-2011, 03:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-e9jrQ8iQo

There's a video of Prosinski

a five minute video opposed to 28 minutes with the same number of plays.

Fa3Sk2JyETc

LizardState
03-08-2011, 03:36 PM
With Charlie you'd have to add a couple of young blondes at the finish line and then you'd see some wheels from him.

Would Charlie wear WILD THING VAUGHN, VATICAN ASSASSIN, or WARLOCK on the back of his uni?

Guess this answers the question on Mallett's illegal drugs, it wasn't performance-enhancing drugs he was taking.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 03:41 PM
Would Charlie wear WILD THING VAUGHN, VATICAN ASSASSIN, or WARLOCK on the back of his uni?

Guess this answers the question on Mallett's illegal drugs, it wasn't performance-enhancing drugs he was taking.

"WINNER"

As for Mallett as much as we dog him and he is a slug as far as speed goes it should be noted that Manning, Brady, Rivers and others arent exactly speedy.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 04:46 PM
Watching some of the ESPN3 coverage Newton looks good throwing the ball, much better than the combine. He just has a real laid back attitude out there that may rub some the wrong way. Impressive looking athlete for sure.

critesy
03-08-2011, 04:47 PM
zach clayton had himself a day (the guy who started beside fairley)

6-2 300 ish i believe he is.

4.68, 4.71

10' in the broad jump

27 reps of 225.

hes very raw but is a dirty try hard who loves to play the game. if someone could continue to coach him up could be a good 3-4 end. seems like a steelers pick to me.

edit,

33.5" vertical

Babylon
03-08-2011, 04:50 PM
zach clayton had himself a day (the guy who started beside fairley)

6-2 300 ish i believe he is.

4.68, 4.71

10' in the broad jump

27 reps of 225.

hes very raw but is a dirty try hard who loves to play the game. if someone could continue to coach him up could be a good 3-4 end. seems like a steelers pick to me.

That's a pretty insane 40 for that size, Cam should have run he would have easily posted a better time than the combine, probably doesnt need it anyway.

ThePudge
03-08-2011, 04:55 PM
Watching some of the ESPN3 coverage Newton looks good throwing the ball, much better than the combine. He just has a real laid back attitude out there that may rub some the wrong way. Impressive looking athlete for sure.

A big question I have on Newton's throwing ability will be the consistency of his footwork under duress. He looks good here today, but will he revert to throwing off his back foot routinely while under pressure? Footwork in the pocket and while throwing is a relatively easy thing to coach in a controlled setting, but without pads on it's tough to tell (for sure) how far a player has come.

Private workouts will likely move him around a lot more and key in on the habits evidenced in his college film.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 05:04 PM
A big question I have on Newton's throwing ability will be the consistency of his footwork under duress. He looks good here today, but will he revert to throwing off his back foot routinely while under pressure? Footwork in the pocket and while throwing is a relatively easy thing to coach in a controlled setting, but without pads on it's tough to tell (for sure) how far a player has come.

Private workouts will likely move him around a lot more and key in on the habits evidenced in his college film.

I think in the pocket he looks fine, maybe needs to get a quicker drop from center but he really stands tall and comes over the top nice. I'd say he isnt as strong on the run.

Sportsfan486
03-08-2011, 05:11 PM
Watching some of the ESPN3 coverage Newton looks good throwing the ball, much better than the combine. He just has a real laid back attitude out there that may rub some the wrong way. Impressive looking athlete for sure.

He has looked better but still won't blow anyone away. 50 of 60 last I saw. Aaron Rodgers was 92 of 93. Bradford was 62 of 63. Even Alex Smith was 77 of 80. You shouldn't have ten misses at a pro day.

He looks really good on posts and in the intermediate game and not nearly as good in the deep and short game. Footwork isn't very good. Not a natural passer. He's got the arm he just needs a lot of technique work.

I think if he goes to the right team where he won't start this year and if he goes in eager to learn (which is a huge question mark) he could be a pretty good Donovan McNabb type (as in mobility, can put up points and make great throws but questionable accuracy overall.)

ThePudge
03-08-2011, 05:15 PM
I think in the pocket he looks fine, maybe needs to get a quicker drop from center but he really stands tall and comes over the top nice. I'd say he isnt as strong on the run.

Well, here's the thing, he is definitely a little cocky. He knows he's got a hell of an arm. That said, so often in college he threw comfortably off his back foot. When under pressure, he most often resorted to throwing without his feet set or without stepping into the throw. He can make his release/delivery look very pretty but he has habits on the field that may be tough for him to break when he gets his pads on.

Dark Knight01
03-08-2011, 05:18 PM
Any team that picks SCAM Newton in the 1st Round will be regretting it!

He is a mix between Vince Young and Akili Smith.

End of story!

ThePudge
03-08-2011, 05:20 PM
He has looked better but still won't blow anyone away. 50 of 60 last I saw. Aaron Rodgers was 92 of 93. Bradford was 62 of 63. Even Alex Smith was 77 of 80. You shouldn't have ten misses at a pro day.

He looks really good on posts and in the intermediate game and not nearly as good in the deep and short game. Footwork isn't very good. Not a natural passer. He's got the arm he just needs a lot of technique work.

I think if he goes to the right team where he won't start this year and if he goes in eager to learn (which is a huge question mark) he could be a pretty good Donovan McNabb type (as in mobility, can put up points and make great throws but questionable accuracy overall.)

I agree. The hope for Newton is that he can become somewhere between a Donovan McNabb and Ben Roethlisberger. He's shown what he can do and has flashed what he's capable of, but there are a lot of holes in his game that need to be filled in and his footwork will need to continue to improve before he ever sees the field in the NFL. Not a flawless workout from Cam, like I may have expected, but when you're 6'5 244, can move the way he does, and throw the ball with that kind of zip (and occasionally touch) you won't be falling far on draft day. He's absolutely a boom or bust prospect, but there's no way he's on the board past the Palmer-less Bengals at 4th Overall.

Dark Knight01
03-08-2011, 05:23 PM
I agree. The hope for Newton is that he can become somewhere between a Donovan McNabb and Ben Roethlisberger. He's shown what he can do and has flashed what he's capable of, but there are a lot of holes in his game that need to be filled in and his footwork will need to continue to improve before he ever sees the field in the NFL. Not a flawless workout from Cam, like I may have expected, but when you're 6'5 244, can move the way he does, and throw the ball with that kind of zip (and occasionally touch) you won't be falling far on draft day. He's absolutely a boom or bust prospect, but there's no way he's on the board past the Palmer-less Bengals at 4th Overall.




The Bungals drafting Scam Newton, will certainly seal Marvin Lewis fate!

He is no RapistBerger and No Choke McNabb!

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 05:25 PM
He has looked better but still won't blow anyone away. 50 of 60 last I saw. Aaron Rodgers was 92 of 93. Bradford was 62 of 63. Even Alex Smith was 77 of 80. You shouldn't have ten misses at a pro day.

He looks really good on posts and in the intermediate game and not nearly as good in the deep and short game. Footwork isn't very good. Not a natural passer. He's got the arm he just needs a lot of technique work.

I think if he goes to the right team where he won't start this year and if he goes in eager to learn (which is a huge question mark) he could be a pretty good Donovan McNabb type (as in mobility, can put up points and make great throws but questionable accuracy overall.)
If true, 50/60 is pretty underwhelming considering how rehearsed it is, how comfortable he is with the receivers, and the fact it's against air. What happens when there is an NFL defense on the field?

ThePudge
03-08-2011, 05:29 PM
The Bungals drafting Scam Newton, will certainly seal Marvin Lewis fate!

He is no RapistBerger and No Choke McNabb!

Really insightful stuff. Keep it coming. These ignorant two line posts aren't at all a waste of space in the thread, but yet another well-thought out illustration of why Cam Newton cannot develop into a successful pro.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 05:29 PM
If true, 50/60 is pretty underwhelming considering how rehearsed it is, how comfortable he is with the receivers, and the fact it's against air. What happens when there is an NFL defense on the field?

I probably would look less at the percentages and more at the footwork, velocity, throwing on the run etc. 60 passes in a relatively short period of time is probably pretty taxing and at one time towards the end Cam was holding the back where he got dinged up a little in the championship game.

Halsey
03-08-2011, 05:39 PM
Any word on how Fannin did?

Bengals78
03-08-2011, 05:41 PM
I probably would look less at the percentages and more at the footwork, velocity, throwing on the run etc. 60 passes in a relatively short period of time is probably pretty taxing and at one time towards the end Cam was holding the back where he got dinged up a little in the championship game.

So taxing no one should only ever miss 2 or 3. Missing only one is would be impossible....

Wait....

He has looked better but still won't blow anyone away. 50 of 60 last I saw. Aaron Rodgers was 92 of 93. Bradford was 62 of 63. Even Alex Smith was 77 of 80. You shouldn't have ten misses at a pro day.

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 05:47 PM
I probably would look less at the percentages and more at the footwork, velocity, throwing on the run etc. 60 passes in a relatively short period of time is probably pretty taxing and at one time towards the end Cam was holding the back where he got dinged up a little in the championship game.
But you wouldn't look at him as the #1 overall pick either.

People keep saying he should be the #1 pick in the draft... again, if the report of 50/60 is true, that's hardly an endorsement.

FUNBUNCHER
03-08-2011, 05:50 PM
If he was off target on 10 passes, that's not good. But if his WRs simply dropped the ball, no harm.

Reviews I've heard about the workout are that Newton looked much better throwing the ball than he did in Indy.

Sportsfan486
03-08-2011, 05:51 PM
But you wouldn't look at him as the #1 overall pick either.

People keep saying he should be the #1 pick in the draft... again, if the report of 50/60 is true, that's hardly an endorsement.

I didn't see the whole thing but I saw at least 5 of the misses. Unless ESPN really screwed up counting then it was 50/60 towards the end (I think he threw 3 or 4 balls after that and either made them all or missed on one.. can't remember if one of the rollouts was counted in the 60.) So somewhere around 53/63ish.

He had at least 10 incompletions, though. They marked 2 or 3 as drops but were pretty generous as the 2 I saw were on pretty bad throws (one was a high fastball on a very short crossing route and another was just a really ugly dart on a rollout.) This was ESPN3s count, not my own. (50/60 with either 2 or 3 drops. He had a few more throws after.) Also keep in mind that the numbers I gave for other QBs include drops as incompletions. Bradford's one incompletion was a drop.

As another comparison, Vince Young went 50 of 55 at his pro day.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 05:53 PM
But you wouldn't look at him as the #1 overall pick either.

People keep saying he should be the #1 pick in the draft... again, if the report of 50/60 is true, that's hardly an endorsement.

Personally i wouldnt take him #1 but i think he'll be gone by the 3rd pick. There's probably a lot of teams that hope he goes at or near the top of the draft.

critesy
03-08-2011, 06:20 PM
Any word on how Fannin did?
all i can find is he stood on his combine numbers mostly.

jumped 9'8.5" in the broad jump is about all i got.

ThePudge
03-08-2011, 06:36 PM
But you wouldn't look at him as the #1 overall pick either.

People keep saying he should be the #1 pick in the draft... again, if the report of 50/60 is true, that's hardly an endorsement.

Should and will are two different words with different meanings. Just because I think Cameron Newton WILL go First Overall doesn't mean I think he SHOULD. In this kind of class I don't think it's crazy however. If they can add a franchise QB to their roster, that's infinitely more important than a Pro Bowl Defensive End, Cornerback, or Defensive Tackle. Newton's obviously a boom or bust prospect, but that doesn't mean they will play it safe and add a player that brings less upside to the franchise.

Iamcanadian
03-08-2011, 06:36 PM
Personally i wouldnt take him #1 but i think he'll be gone by the 3rd pick. There's probably a lot of teams that hope he goes at or near the top of the draft.

Probably a lot more teams praying he slips a little or a lot.
It was an extremely windy day at Auburn's pro day and you could not but be liking the zip on his arm , as for the misses, it was an extremely hard day to be accurate so I wouldn't put much into 10 misses.
What impresses me is his determination to be great, he'll workout without hesitation and continues to try and get better. That is what you need to succeed at the next level.

metafour
03-08-2011, 06:38 PM
Take into account that it was fairly windy in Auburn today...was up to 14 MPH around 4pm which should have been around when he was throwing.

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 06:46 PM
Take into account that it was fairly windy in Auburn today...was up to 14 MPH around 4pm which should have been around when he was throwing.
14... and the average for the day was a mighty 9.

Are people seriously going to say this is a valid reason for him to be inaccurate?

While we're at it, the sun was probably in his eyes, so we better account for that too.

God forbid he plays in a game where the wind gets up to gusts of 25-40 or... rain/snow.

Sportsfan486
03-08-2011, 06:49 PM
Take into account that it was fairly windy in Auburn today...was up to 14 MPH around 4pm which should have been around when he was throwing.

I didn't see a single ball that seemed affected by the wind. His main problem was a lack of touch on most of his balls except posts.. which he somehow puts beautiful touch on. And he gets really shoddy technique wise on short passes, just isn't comfortable at all with them.

As for him being tired.. well.. it wasn't really rigorous. It was actually rather laidback and nonchalant, which probably isn't ideal considering that's part of his character concerns.

He did okay. He set the bar really low for himself with the combine so people are happy with this because he didn't look bad and had some throws (almost exclusively posts) that were fantastic.

the natural
03-08-2011, 06:50 PM
It seemed more like a gab session. He didn't start to throw until 5 P.M. I think personal were there from about 8 A.M. Apparently he and the pot bellied guru, George, were in Miami all of last week polishing the image and the product with IMG Marketing. Shows where their priorities lie. These guys all want to get rich as of last week, and are all looking for the shortest route to a life of decadence.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 06:54 PM
Probably a lot more teams praying he slips a little or a lot.
It was an extremely windy day at Auburn's pro day and you could not but be liking the zip on his arm , as for the misses, it was an extremely hard day to be accurate so I wouldn't put much into 10 misses.
What impresses me is his determination to be great, he'll workout without hesitation and continues to try and get better. That is what you need to succeed at the next level.

I was referring to the teams that would get a better player on their board fall if a QB or two were to go in the top few picks.

As for him wanting to workout that is what the pro day is for, he could have run the 40 but passed on that. I give him credit for doing everything at the combine, Gabbert looked rather foolish by not throwing.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 06:55 PM
Take into account that it was fairly windy in Auburn today...was up to 14 MPH around 4pm which should have been around when he was throwing.

I'll have to go check my doppler radar and get the exact mph for wind. It seemed fine out there while i was watching it.

metafour
03-08-2011, 06:56 PM
14... and the average for the day was a mighty 9.

Are people seriously going to say this is a valid reason for him to be inaccurate?

While we're at it, the sun was probably in his eyes, so we better account for that too.

God forbid he plays in a game where the wind gets up to gusts of 25-40

It is absolutely a factor. Sam Bradford's Pro Day was indoors last year. So was Matt Ryan's. It doesn't have to be a monsoon to make an impact; and you're comparing windy conditions to two Pro Days that were held indoors in absolutely perfect conditions.

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 06:59 PM
It is absolutely a factor. Sam Bradford's Pro Day was indoors last year. So was Matt Ryan's. It doesn't have to be a monsoon to make an impact; and you're comparing windy conditions to two Pro Days that were held indoors in absolutely perfect conditions.
I'm not comparing anything. I didn't mention anyone else's workout.

What I am saying is if he can't be accurate when he's rehearsed the workout, with players he's familiar with, against air, and can't be accurate because of a slight breeze especially with how strong his arm is, how is he going to be accurate with defenders on the field, in the pocket, and in the wind, rain, or snow.

Football is almost never played at 100%, because of injuries, weather, etc. The weather isn't perfect? Deal with it.

If you are seriously going to say this is a viable excuse, then the Bengals and Bills should take him off their draft board entirely

king2am
03-08-2011, 07:02 PM
Wait - i'm hearing he was 54/60 ....

metafour
03-08-2011, 07:02 PM
What I am saying is if he can't be accurate when he's rehearsed the workout, with players he's familiar with, against air, and can't be accurate because of a slight breeze especially with how strong his arm is, how is he going to be accurate with defenders on the field, in the pocket, and in the wind, rain, or snow.

Seems like every report has been very positive to me.

ESPN: Cam Newton shows accuracy at pro day
Mayock: Cam Newton's pro day workout drew rave reviews from Mike Mayock on Tuesday.
Gil Brandt: Newton’s pro day shows why he should go No. 1

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 07:08 PM
Seems like every report has been very positive to me.

ESPN: Cam Newton shows accuracy at pro day
Mayock: Cam Newton's pro day workout drew rave reviews from Mike Mayock on Tuesday.
Gil Brandt: Newton’s pro day shows why he should go No. 1
This is what I expected... I am waiting for someone to come out and declare this is the greatest workout they've ever seen which seems to happen on a yearly basis for one of the quarterbacks.

I was going off the 50/60 claim, which is why I added if true

Of course Mayock will freely admit that the greatest workout he's ever seen was... JaMarcus Russell

Iamcanadian
03-08-2011, 07:14 PM
This is what I expected... I am waiting for someone to come out and declare this is the greatest workout they've ever seen which seems to happen on a yearly basis for one of the quarterbacks.

I was going off the 50/60 claim, which is why I added if true

Of course Mayock will freely admit that the greatest workout he's ever seen was... JaMarcus Russell

I don't think anybody is comparing Newton to Russell as far as determination to be great is concerned or to Gabbert for that matter.

FuzzyGopher
03-08-2011, 07:17 PM
50/60 is the correct number, there were 2 or 3 drops and the rest were legit incompletions. There was a little bit of wind but not enough dramatically affect his passes. He looked ok, he wasn't terrible and he wasn't great. The whole thing is pretty overrated in my opinion. Everything was rehearsed and planned and didn't really answer any questions most teams probably have about him.

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 07:17 PM
I don't think anybody is comparing Newton to Russell as far as determination to be great is concerned or to Gabbert for that matter.
You're missing the point. I am of the opinion that pro day workouts for quarterbacks are just about worthless because it is basically a highlight tape.

But, if Newton blew his workout away, it will truly be legendary because he was forced to brave the elements that included... 14 mph gusts

The fact alone should boost his stock

metafour
03-08-2011, 07:18 PM
50/60 is the correct number, there were 2 or 3 drops and the rest were legit incompletions. There was a little bit of wind but not enough dramatically affect his passes. He looked ok, he wasn't terrible and he wasn't great. The whole thing is pretty overrated in my opinion. Everything was rehearsed and planned and didn't really answer any questions most teams probably have about him.

Great expert opinion which contradicts everyone who was actually there.

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 07:21 PM
Great expert opinion which contradicts everyone who was actually there.
Indeed... little bit of wind is an unfair characterization.

They were actually gale force winds that would put a piece of straw through a tree.

Fortunately, Cam Newton's arm was so strong, his throws pierced the wind like a hot knife through butter.

metafour
03-08-2011, 07:24 PM
Indeed... little bit of wind is an unfair characterization.

They were actually gale force winds that would put a piece of straw through a tree.

Fortunately, Cam Newton's arm was so strong, his throws pierced the wind like a hot knife through butter.

Herp derp. Why so ruined?

ThePudge
03-08-2011, 07:24 PM
Great expert opinion which contradicts everyone who was actually there.

Except for every pro and former pro scout will tell you they've NEVER seen a bad pro day from a Quarterback. Every single QB will out-do their Combine with their Pro Day.

All Newton did today is show up, showcase improving* footwork/mechanics, and throw his short-intermediate passes with more accuracy than he did in Indy. This day affects his stock in no way, but it's nice to see that he fared better than he did in front of cameras/evaluators in Indy. Still, he entered the day a Top 5 pick and the favorite to go #1, and that's how he'll be seen at the end of the day as well.

Babylon
03-08-2011, 07:26 PM
Great expert opinion which contradicts everyone who was actually there.

I watched pretty much the whole thing and i agree with Fuzzy, it was good but i wasnt totally blown away.

Cam did well, i thought he answered some questions about making all the throws and his drops from center. He doesnt look all that accurate throwing on the run and his long balls are iffy but overall i'd say if you like him there are a lot of things that you can take away.

Monomach
03-08-2011, 07:26 PM
It must be hard to have touch when Dorothy and Toto and houses are flying around in your way.

Iamcanadian
03-08-2011, 07:30 PM
I'm not comparing anything. I didn't mention anyone else's workout.

What I am saying is if he can't be accurate when he's rehearsed the workout, with players he's familiar with, against air, and can't be accurate because of a slight breeze especially with how strong his arm is, how is he going to be accurate with defenders on the field, in the pocket, and in the wind, rain, or snow.

Football is almost never played at 100%, because of injuries, weather, etc. The weather isn't perfect? Deal with it.

If you are seriously going to say this is a viable excuse, then the Bengals and Bills should take him off their draft board entirely

Lots of QB prospects workout indoors. I say it says something about Newton that he chose to work outdoors on a windy day. It was hardly a slight breeze.
Again, I say that Newton and Gabbert are only juniors and hardly finished products, some people will automatically downgrade them because they are raw, but if you ever hope to get a franchise QB and continue to pass on junior QB's, you could be waiting years and years for the right guy.
Charley Casserly(Sp.), the ex GM of the Houston Texans, hates Newton but he took David Carr #1 overall so maybe his opinion on QB's could be shaky.
Mayock will probably end up with Newton, #2 on his list(he's #3 right now), and he has a pretty solid resume on drafting QB's.
I like what Newton brings to the table as well as what Gabbert has to offer, I realize both are juniors and both will need an extra year to adjust but I feel that their upside warrants drafting them extremely high IMO. The position is simply too important to pass on these guys and I think the teams that do so will be crying for passing on them similar to how Miami is feeling today. Is there a risk, you bet there is but for me the rewards are too high to pass on.

FuzzyGopher
03-08-2011, 07:31 PM
Great expert opinion which contradicts everyone who was actually there.

Care to elaborate? Or do you just want to sound like an asshole and provide no insight or opinion to this conversation?

wonderbredd24
03-08-2011, 07:32 PM
Lots of QB prospects workout indoors. I say it says something about Newton that he chose to work outdoors on a windy day. It was hardly a slight breeze.
There it is... this right here is the spin of legends

Not only is the wind (14mph? Are you listening, Chicago?) a valid excuse, it actually enhances him as a prospect

the natural
03-08-2011, 07:34 PM
Lots of QB prospects workout indoors. I say it says something about Newton that he chose to work outdoors on a windy day. It was hardly a slight breeze.
Again, I say that Newton and Gabbert are only juniors and hardly finished products, some people will automatically downgrade them because they are raw, but if you ever hope to get a franchise QB and continue to pass on junior QB's, you could be waiting years and years for the right guy.
Charley Casserly(Sp.), the ex GM of the Houston Texans, hates Newton but he took David Carr #1 overall so maybe his opinion on QB's could be shaky.
Mayock will probably end up with Newton, #2 on his list(he's #3 right now), and he has a pretty solid resume on drafting QB's.
I like what Newton brings to the table as well as what Gabbert has to offer, I realize both are juniors and both will need an extra year to adjust but I feel that their upside warrants drafting them extremely high IMO. The position is simply too important to pass on these guys and I think the teams that do so will be crying for passing on them similar to how Miami is feeling today. Is there a risk, you bet there is but for me the rewards are too high to pass on.

Agree for the most part. Although, the Auburn pro day has been set for a year or so, I don't know that Newt deserves credit for "choosing to work outdoors on a windy day". It was hardly his choice. Casserly and Mayock are on the money as far as the instincts and vision are concerned. But I think that Gabbert may be ahead in that department. Especially with the time he is getting in with Terry Shea.

FUNBUNCHER
03-08-2011, 07:37 PM
Not that anyone knows off the top, but IMO it's unusual for top QB prospects to workout outdoors.

Cam ain't scared!!!!

Iamcanadian
03-08-2011, 07:41 PM
[QUOTE=wonderbredd24;2547593]You're missing the point. I am of the opinion that pro day workouts for quarterbacks are just about worthless because it is basically a highlight tape.

I am in complete disagreement with you on this point. Pro scouts and GM's aren't going to use a pro day workout as the be all and end all of a player's assessment, Al Davis being an exception.
They aren't worthless in the least. A pro day shows off a QB's arm strength, you cannot hide that like so many college HC's do when running their system.
Pro teams are going to invite Newton to workout for them privately, where he will have to continue to showcase his skills for their scouts and GM's.
You cannot hide from weaknesses in your foot speed or your ability to drop back quickly or from defects in your throwing motion.
Your athletic skills and defects will come through any practice. The mental aspects of the game is completely a side issue that have to be assessed elsewhere.

Wrathman
03-08-2011, 08:01 PM
This workout did little to address the questions that are most asked about Newton other than to see some progression on his footwork as it relates to dropping back from under center. Those who love him still love him and those who don't did not see a reason to change their opinion today either.

Raise your hand if you learned today that Cam Newton had a strong arm. The comment that pro days expose arm strength when every throw from the previous season and most beyond that is on tape seems disingenuous at best.

JustDezIT
03-08-2011, 08:01 PM
Brooks Reed 1.54 10 yd split. Damn.

the natural
03-08-2011, 08:12 PM
LOL, Newt did an interview with Mike Mayock and called him "Mr. McShay".

JHL6719
03-09-2011, 02:19 AM
It is absolutely a factor. Sam Bradford's Pro Day was indoors last year. So was Matt Ryan's. It doesn't have to be a monsoon to make an impact; and you're comparing windy conditions to two Pro Days that were held indoors in absolutely perfect conditions.



Wind must've been blowing around 44 MPH inside Lucas Oil Stadium the other day when Scam Knewton was throwing

Sportsfan486
03-09-2011, 02:51 AM
Wind must've been blowing around 44 MPH inside Lucas Oil Stadium the other day when Scam Knewton was throwing

Yeah. And today at his pro day it was one of those hurricane force wind days where towels, clothes and hair remain perfectly still because of the shear force of wind. Gatorade bottles remain perfectly propped in the grass due to the horrific downthrust of gale force gusts. Not a single ball appears to flutter just because the tornado like effect encapsulates and guides the ball unerringly away from the wide receiver while maintaining a spiral.

Newton improved over a horrible showing at the combine. He didn't do well enough to really change how anyone feels about him.

Saints-Tigers
03-09-2011, 07:35 AM
Not that anyone knows off the top, but IMO it's unusual for top QB prospects to workout outdoors.

Cam ain't scared!!!!


You're getting just as bad as the haters, by spinning everything into a positive.

FUNBUNCHER
03-09-2011, 07:47 AM
Brooks Reed 1.54 10 yd split. Damn.

Brooks Reed is turning into my favorite underrated OLB prospect. There's a few pro bowls in that young man's future IMO.

What round/range of picks will he be drafted???

DiG
03-09-2011, 07:51 AM
Brooks Reed is turning into my favorite underrated OLB prospect. There's a few pro bowls in that young man's future IMO.

What round/range of picks will he be drafted???

i think he ends up late first to a team like ravens, atl, pats, nyj, or packers.

bored of education
03-09-2011, 09:18 AM
i think he ends up late first to a team like ravens, atl, pats, nyj, or packers.

I would enjoy him in KC, oooh yueahhhhh

LizardState
03-09-2011, 12:01 PM
Ok so Newton improved his throwing performance. Fine & dandy.

Never thought he would be close to the 1st QB taken, wrong style, teams simply want that pocket passer who can make all the throws & not get rattled when 300-pounders flatten them from time to time, stay healthy & play there as their Face of the Franchise for yrs. And he has only one yr. of Auburn videotapes to evaluate him, that that might increase the risk factor for some teams too. I don't think any new teams will now enter the lists of his suitors.

But what about Fairley? He's the Auburn guy who most needed to improve his stock in the Pro Day after apparently horrible Combine interviews

RealityCheck
03-09-2011, 12:04 PM
I believe Brooks Reed will be a Chief.

Babylon
03-09-2011, 01:38 PM
Ok so Newton improved his throwing performance. Fine & dandy.

Never thought he would be close to the 1st QB taken, wrong style, teams simply want that pocket passer who can make all the throws & not get rattled when 300-pounders flatten them from time to time, stay healthy & play there as their Face of the Franchise for yrs. And he has only one yr. of Auburn videotapes to evaluate him, that that might increase the risk factor for some teams too. I don't think any new teams will now enter the lists of his suitors.

But what about Fairley? He's the Auburn guy who most needed to improve his stock in the Pro Day after apparently horrible Combine interviews

McShay (i know) said his workout yesterday was one of the best he's ever seen, take that fwiw. To me he looks like Warren Sapp, which could make him a big ###hole but a great player.

I found it interesting that Elway and Fox were there, it was obviously to see Fairley, either that or it was the biggest diss of Tim Tebow ever.

SchizophrenicBatman
03-09-2011, 01:38 PM
Newton did well at his pro day? BIG SURPRISE

I told you guys, they are meaningless. He sucked at the combine because he didn't have time to rehearse all the throws properly. He's probably been practicing those 60 passes he made 1000s of times a day since

This is why everyone who said Gabbert should've changed his mind and thrown at the combine had no idea what they were talking about

Babylon
03-09-2011, 01:45 PM
Newton did well at his pro day? BIG SURPRISE

I told you guys, they are meaningless. He sucked at the combine because he didn't have time to rehearse all the throws properly. He's probably been practicing those 60 passes he made 1000s of times a day since

This is why everyone who said Gabbert should've changed his mind and thrown at the combine had no idea what they were talking about

My position on Gabbert is you throw and let the chips fall where they may, show some balls. In the end he might of made a wise choice but i respect the guys that put it on the line.

Iamcanadian
03-09-2011, 02:11 PM
Newton did well at his pro day? BIG SURPRISE

I told you guys, they are meaningless. He sucked at the combine because he didn't have time to rehearse all the throws properly. He's probably been practicing those 60 passes he made 1000s of times a day since

This is why everyone who said Gabbert should've changed his mind and thrown at the combine had no idea what they were talking about

Gee, I thought all the great QB's spend hours working with their receivers running patterns till they perfect them. But I guess you can tell more about him when he works with WR's who he hasn't a clue about, and no knowledge of their speed.
Gee, according to you he has been practicing hard to perfect his throws to receivers he knows till he gets them perfect, hardly a reason to suspect he might have a work ethic to be a great pro????

SchizophrenicBatman
03-09-2011, 02:14 PM
lol nice spin there man. are you the Canadian Bill OReilly?

I'm not talking about Cam Newton or any quarterback in specific really. This is more of a general thing. If you've been prepping for drills (which you absolutely should - if you don't, it's a huge red flag) you're ALWAYS going to look good doing them at your combine, pro day, whatever.

There is absolutely zero reason to change your mind days before the combine on whether you are going to throw, work out, whatever. The only time I can remember a last second decision like that working out for someone is when Calvin Johnson ran the 40

wonderbredd24
03-09-2011, 02:21 PM
Gee, I thought all the great QB's spend hours working with their receivers running patterns till they perfect them. But I guess you can tell more about him when he works with WR's who he hasn't a clue about, and no knowledge of their speed.
Gee, according to you he has been practicing hard to perfect his throws to receivers he knows till he gets them perfect, hardly a reason to suspect he might have a work ethic to be a great pro????
So not only is Cam Newton somehow a better competitor because he was willing to put up with... 14 mph winds.

Now, his pro day is somehow evidence that he is a hard worker. Except that he only completed 50/60 passes, so... does that mean he's lazy? He'd be a harder worker if he completed 59/60, right?

Iamcanadian
03-09-2011, 02:25 PM
[QUOTE=SchizophrenicBatman;2548593]lol nice spin there man. are you the Canadian Bill OReilly?

I'm not talking about Cam Newton or any quarterback in specific really. This is more of a general thing. If you've been prepping for drills (which you absolutely should - if you don't, it's a huge red flag) you're ALWAYS going to look good doing them at your combine, pro day, whatever.

That's where I think you are wrong. A weak armed QB cannot hide his weak arm in a pro day drill, nor can he hide slow feet, or accuracy. After they finish their practiced drills, the GM's and scouts often ask a prospect to go through a few drills which relate to their team's offense. it is a very common practice, and when the prospect goes for a private workout later on, the teams design the drills.
The only thing hidden in a drill is the player motivation to be great, his ability to read defenses, his pocket presence and other intangibles. These areas cannot be determined at a pro day.

draftguru151
03-09-2011, 03:00 PM
McShay tweeted Mark Ingram ran a 4.43 today. Also saw 4.47-4.53 and 4.50 to 4.56 (according to SI).

bigbluedefense
03-09-2011, 03:02 PM
Did Nate Irving do his Pro Day yet?

Sportsfan486
03-09-2011, 03:02 PM
But what about Fairley? He's the Auburn guy who most needed to improve his stock in the Pro Day after apparently horrible Combine interviews

He looked really, really good. He was up to 297 and looked really, really agile and had tremendous footwork.

Babylon
03-09-2011, 03:06 PM
McShay tweeted Mark Ingram ran a 4.43 today. Also saw 4.47-4.53 and 4.50 to 4.56 (according to SI).

Do they run the 35 yd dash down there? that time is nuts and quite a change from the combine where he was around a high 4.5. Probably gets him squarely in the first round but dont see it being in the first 16 picks or so.

TACKLE
03-09-2011, 03:11 PM
Do they run the 35 yd dash down there? that time is nuts and quite a change from the combine where he was around a high 4.5. Probably gets him squarely in the first round but dont see it being in the first 16 picks or so.

4.47-4.53 is exactly the range he was expected to run in Indy. It is possible he had a bad run at the combine or could of improved his speed slightly since it.

Hines
03-09-2011, 03:12 PM
Did Nate Irving do his Pro Day yet?

HEY!!!! You leave him alone, buddy!

bigbluedefense
03-09-2011, 03:14 PM
HEY!!!! You leave him alone, buddy!

You have enough linebackers!

Spread the wealth! Or trade us Timmons for our 1st.

Hines
03-09-2011, 03:16 PM
You have enough linebackers!

Spread the wealth! Or trade us Timmons for our 1st.

We will trade you Timmons for your first, Terrell Thomas, Corey Webster, and Kenny Phillips!!

Babylon
03-09-2011, 03:17 PM
4.47-4.53 is exactly the range he was expected to run in Indy. It is possible he had a bad run at the combine or could of improved his speed slightly since it.

I think those times do him good, looking at the places he could end up it's hard to slot him. It could be someone like a New England, Indy or Green Bay even.

Caulibflower
03-09-2011, 03:49 PM
I think those times do him good, looking at the places he could end up it's hard to slot him. It could be someone like a New England, Indy or Green Bay even.

I'd be a little disappointed if he went to a spread team. Although adding him to Green Bay would make for a pretty scary offense for the next 6-8 years or so.

TNPatsFan
03-09-2011, 04:02 PM
He (Fairley) looked really, really good. He was up to 297 and looked really, really agile and had tremendous footwork.

He gained six pounds in a week? What's he been doing, eating nothing but jelly donut pizzas since the combine?

critesy
03-09-2011, 04:08 PM
6 lbs is not that much for a big body athlete like fairley.

Monomach
03-09-2011, 04:25 PM
He gained six pounds in a week? What's he been doing, eating nothing but jelly donut pizzas since the combine?

1. Drink 3/4 of a gallon of water to gain a fake 6 pounds
2. Weigh-in
3. Go puke
4. Work out at normal weight, get credit for being just as fast despite gaining 6 pounds in a week
5. ????????????
6. Get paid!

Nebula
03-09-2011, 04:33 PM
Anyone know what time Mark Ingram run?

Babylon
03-09-2011, 04:34 PM
1. Drink 3/4 of a gallon of water to gain a fake 6 pounds
2. Weigh-in
3. Go puke
4. Work out at normal weight, get credit for being just as fast despite gaining 6 pounds in a week
5. ????????????
6. Get paid!

6 pounds is nothing for guys that big. I'd go with a diet of steak and eggs and wash it down with a few cool ones.

Caulibflower
03-09-2011, 04:37 PM
What is crazy is someone like Noel Devine going from 160 to 179 in a couple weeks, or whatever it was. Was there ever any kind of explanation for that? That seems a bit unnatural.

Brothgar
03-09-2011, 08:05 PM
Anyone know what time Mark Ingram run?
IIRC he ran a 4.55 40 .05 faster than the combine.

EDIT according to a source that as per rules I can't name he ran a 4.47 and 4.53

GoRavens
03-09-2011, 10:03 PM
Mark Ingram Madden speed = 87

Caulibflower
03-09-2011, 10:13 PM
Lance Kendricks going from a 4.75 at the combine to a reported 4.50 at Wisconsin's pro day.

batsandgats
03-10-2011, 07:53 PM
Lance Kendricks going from a 4.75 at the combine to a reported 4.50 at Wisconsin's pro day.

quite the improvement...is it a fast track? you think Clay would've gotten out of the 4.7 range but still couldn't do it. Maybe they should switch him to fullback.

batsandgats
03-10-2011, 08:05 PM
Scott McKnight had an impressive pro day

5-foot-10 1/2, 182 pounds at his Pro Day Wednesday, March 9, reports NFL.com's Gil Brandt. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.49 seconds, the short shuttle in 4.04 seconds and the three-cone drill in 6.84 seconds. He measured a 34-inch vertical leap, a 10-foot broad jump and completed 13 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press.

Didn't drop one single pass either

Babylon
03-10-2011, 08:18 PM
Lance Kendricks going from a 4.75 at the combine to a reported 4.50 at Wisconsin's pro day.

Unfortunately he plays slow.

descendency
03-10-2011, 08:37 PM
What is crazy is someone like Noel Devine going from 160 to 179 in a couple weeks, or whatever it was. Was there ever any kind of explanation for that? That seems a bit unnatural.

He was only 160 because he was recovering from an injury.

Sniper
03-10-2011, 09:44 PM
Unfortunately he plays slow.

He averaged 15.42 yards per catch and led Wisconsin in receiving. I'll take a "slow" tight end like that.

wonderbredd24
03-10-2011, 09:47 PM
He was only 160 because he was recovering from an injury.
How does that work?

JohnCandy
03-10-2011, 10:06 PM
Nate Solder back down to 307lbs.

Wrong way Nate you needed to be 325-330lbs at your Pro Day.

Babylon
03-10-2011, 10:37 PM
He averaged 15.42 yards per catch and led Wisconsin in receiving. I'll take a "slow" tight end like that.

Beating Big-10 DBs is not quite like beating NFL types, you can have him.

SenorGato
03-10-2011, 11:12 PM
Brooks Reed is turning into my favorite underrated OLB prospect. There's a few pro bowls in that young man's future IMO.

What round/range of picks will he be drafted???

Top 40 pick.

McGahee
03-10-2011, 11:26 PM
To be fair though regarding Cam Newton's pro-day, I don't think anyone would say its bad.

Teams that thought he did good are going to say the workout went well.

Teams that thought it was bad are going to say the workout was amazing. It doesn't benefit them at all from saying he had a bad workout. Build him up, let some other team take him, and one more prospect will fall to your pick.

There really is no incentive to say someone had a bad pro-day workout.

ellsy82
03-11-2011, 12:51 AM
Top 40 pick.

I agree. I can't see the Cardinals passing on him in the second if they don't get their hands on an OLB in the first.

Sportsfan486
03-11-2011, 05:53 AM
I agree. I can't see the Cardinals passing on him in the second if they don't get their hands on an OLB in the first.

I'd be shocked to see him get by the Packers at 32. Really shocked (and sad!)

He fits the Packers scheme and he's the type of character guy we like. That said, I think he might end up going earlier then even 32.

Hines
03-11-2011, 06:12 AM
Anyone know how Ryan Hill did at the U Pro Day yesterday?

CheeseKnuckles
03-11-2011, 08:21 AM
Anyone know how Ryan Hill did at the U Pro Day yesterday?

I thought I read it got rained out and has to be rescheduled.

shylo3716
03-11-2011, 09:51 AM
Anyone know how Ryan Hill did at the U Pro Day yesterday?

I thought I read it got rained out and has to be rescheduled.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/10/rain-forces-miami-pro-day-to-be-rescheduled/

Miami (Fla.) pro day was abbreviated on Thursday because of weather and will be rescheduled for March 25, the school’s website has announced.

Several players had already begun workouts before heavy rains and lightning forced the event to be cut short. The school’s website reports it is expected that players will have an opportunity to participate in any drills they had not already finished.

DiG
03-11-2011, 10:01 AM
How does that work?

not sure if it was injury or not but heres a recent article on his workouts now with Duke Rousse (trained dez last year) and his weight gain leading up to the combine.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2011/02/noel_devine_hones_skills_for_n.html

"Also, some NFL personnel were surprised to find out that Devine, 5 feet 7, weighed only 160 pounds at the Senior Bowl.

Since then, Devine has gained 16 pounds, pushing his weight to 176, just four pounds shy of his ideal playing weight.

"I have to show that I can put on the weight that they want to see me at and that I need to be at," Devine said. "I at least thought I was going to weigh 170. I haven't been 160 since high school. It was a shocker for me. But I took it as a positive that I have to work harder."

LizardState
03-11-2011, 11:34 AM
He looked really, really good. He was up to 297 and looked really, really agile and had tremendous footwork.

If Elway was there repping Denver checking Fairley out expect the Broncos to pull the trigger on him.

While they arent in love with Tebow they have enough time/$/effort invested by this time to wave their magic Bronco wand & transform him into A Keeper. They were there to chk out Fairley for their d-line which sucked balls last yr after Evil Elvis Dumervil went down early.

ellsy82
03-11-2011, 12:01 PM
If Elway was there repping Denver checking Fairley out expect the Broncos to pull the trigger on him.

While they arent in love with Tebow they have enough time/$/effort invested by this time to wave their magic Bronco wand & transform him into A Keeper. They were there to chk out Fairley for their d-line which sucked balls last yr after Evil Elvis Dumervil went down early.

If they've got Orton as the starter and a solid backup to groom in Tebow, why is anyone even considering Denver taking a QB early? Got to agree with you. Out of curiousity, is it official that Denver is switching back to a 4-3? Does anyone have a link?

Sniper
03-11-2011, 12:11 PM
If they've got Orton as the starter and a solid backup to groom in Tebow, why is anyone even considering Denver taking a QB early? Got to agree with you. Out of curiousity, is it official that Denver is switching back to a 4-3? Does anyone have a link?

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20110304/SPORTS/103040346/1006/Broncos-cut-Bannan-Williams-NOTES

ellsy82
03-11-2011, 12:16 PM
Ah yes. Fox and his 4-3. Thanks for the link.

Iamcanadian
03-11-2011, 12:40 PM
If they've got Orton as the starter and a solid backup to groom in Tebow, why is anyone even considering Denver taking a QB early? Got to agree with you. Out of curiousity, is it official that Denver is switching back to a 4-3? Does anyone have a link?

We watch NFL.com on TV and there are some rumours that Orton could be traded and maybe Tebow isn't the answer. Just rumours though.

ellsy82
03-11-2011, 12:45 PM
Didn't Fox publically come out and say that Orton was the starting QB for 2011? I doubt a new coach in a hostile fan base would go back on his word like that.

As you said, just rumors...but anything is possible I guess.

Iamcanadian
03-11-2011, 01:05 PM
I don't think prior to the draft that you can believe anything a team's personnel say about what their intentions are. They lie all the time to mislead their opponents.
Fox really hasn't a clue to who he will start until he sees what he has in training camp, he is likely just keeping his options open. He doesn't want to piss off Orton who may be his starter, and he knows Tebow realizes he has to beat out Orton, so saying Orton is his starter won't turn off Tebow off.
I don't think it means squat that he said that "Orton is his starter".

descendency
03-11-2011, 01:08 PM
nevermind. delete.

ellsy82
03-11-2011, 01:11 PM
I don't think prior to the draft that you can believe anything a team's personnel say about what their intentions are. They lie all the time to mislead their opponents.
Fox really hasn't a clue to who he will start until he sees what he has in training camp, he is likely just keeping his options open. He doesn't want to piss off Orton who may be his starter, and he knows Tebow realizes he has to beat out Orton, so saying Orton is his starter won't turn off Tebow off.
I don't think it means squat that he said that "Orton is his starter".

Very true. Subterfuge is a common drafting practice by all teams. Do you really think Tebow is ready to start though?

Babylon
03-11-2011, 01:27 PM
We watch NFL.com on TV and there are some rumours that Orton could be traded and maybe Tebow isn't the answer. Just rumours though.

The thing is you arent going to give up on Tebow for Newton because some of the same questions exist with both guys. If Luck were there you probably have some smoke but he's not. They may have sneaked a peak at Cam but the Broncos were there to see Fairley.

Iamcanadian
03-11-2011, 01:29 PM
The thing is you arent going to give up on Tebow for Newton because some of the same questions exist with both guys. If Luck were there you probably have some smoke but he's not. They may have sneaked a peak at Cam but the Broncos were there to see Fairley.

Your probably right, however Tebow was a reach by McDaniels and I'm not at all sure that Fox will feel the same about him. Just a thought.

ellsy82
03-11-2011, 02:57 PM
Do any of us really think that ANY of these QBs are first round prospects? Are any of them able to come outta the game and win like Bradford, Stafford (if healthy), Sanchez or Ryan? C'mon. This is the weakest QB class I've EVER seen. They should all drop to the second, in my opinion. If I were a GM (and not an armchair GM), I wouldn't draft a single one until 2.6 in AZ.

brasho
03-11-2011, 03:15 PM
Do any of us really think that ANY of these QBs are first round prospects? Are any of them able to come outta the game and win like Bradford, Stafford (if healthy), Sanchez or Ryan? C'mon. This is the weakest QB class I've EVER seen. They should all drop to the second, in my opinion. If I were a GM (and not an armchair GM), I wouldn't draft a single one until 2.6 in AZ.

There are ALWAYS questions about QBs... you are kidding yourself if you think ANY of those players you just mentioned were considered sure-fire hits as pro prospects.

Bradford had a slew of questions about his throwing shoulder, and he was never considered to have a great arm when he was healthy and didn't hardly play his final college season.

Stafford actually had the fewest questions of the ones you listed and yet he has been the least successful to this point. He came out and he was very young, had pretty good experience, but as of right now... he is still the youngest QB in the NFL.

Sanchez had and still has tons of questions. He started only one year at USC... he came from USC where questions begin to come up about whether it's better to have a QB playing with great players (Leinart) or a great QB playing with mediocre players (Freeman). Then there's the fact that he isn't very big, doesn't have a great arm, and came into the league with a bad knee.

Then the best of the bunch you named that you left out was Freeman, and there were questions about his accuracy, his touch, his pocket presence, his age...

Then there's Matt Ryan, who had perhaps the best collegiate career of any guys you mentioned, but had by far the worst physical tools of those mentioned as well. He has good size, but his arm is nothing special, he doesn't run all that well, he forced a lot of throws in big games (see VTech games). Most didn't know if he was going to be Chad Pennington or Philip Rivers.

The thing is, that you can't predict how a guy will do in the pros, all you can do is project how he will do based on how he did in the past and his measurables. As far as past performances and measurables, these guys are as impressive as any. Gabbert, Newton, Locker, Kaepernick all have prototypical size, arm strength, and mobility... all SEEM to have good to great work ethics. All have had their issues with accuracy, and most strong armed college QBs do... then there's Mallet and his antithesis, Ponder. Mallet has the giant arm, great size, bad feet, and questionable character... Ponder with the average arm, good feet, good head on his shoulders... this is an impressive group. No, there are no sure-fire HoF QBs here, but then again, David Carr, Vinny Testaverde, Matt Leinart, and Eli were considered can't miss prospects... and they definitely haven't been.

DiG
03-14-2011, 10:53 AM
relatively unknown wr from west texas a&m had one hell of a pro day:

This time around, it appears WR Stephen Burton could be the one to hear his named called. He was impressive during a positional workout with 15 teams in attendance, but it was his outstanding time in the 10-yard split in the 40-yard dash that really stood out. He had a time of 1.46 seconds, which speaks to his quickness as a player and could help him go as high as late in the third round.

Burton (6-foot-1 3/8, 224 pounds) – He had a 40 time of 4.38 and 4.44 seconds. He also turned in a 35-inch vertical and 10-4 broad jump to go with 19 reps on the bench.

batsandgats
03-14-2011, 11:23 AM
Final Results for S Colin Jones from TCU's Pro Day (and where he would've placed among DBs, including corners at the Combine):

H:5'11"
W: 202

40yd: 4.34

225 Bench: 20 (T-9th)
Vertical: 37.5 (T-8th)
Broad Jump: 10'4" (T-10th)
3-Cone: 6.54s (3rd)
20yd Shuttle: 4.05s (6th)
60yd Shuttle: 11.03 (5th)

Now I don't know if he gets in the 4.3 range electronically, but I think he would at least be in the 4.4 range, something no safety at the combine managed to do.

Someone took footage of the pro day, has Jeremy Kerley, Colin Jones, and Andy Dalton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N2PdSNK8yM&feature=player_embedded

Had 80 tackles last season and 3 sacks, with 1 interception. They used him kind of like a hybrid player, similar to Cody Grimm. Before the Wisconsin game he had 10.5 tackles for loss.

FUNBUNCHER
03-14-2011, 11:28 AM
Final Results for S Colin Jones from TCU's Pro Day (and where he would've placed among DBs, including corners at the Combine):

H:5'11"
W: 202

40yd: 4.34

225 Bench: 20 (T-9th)
Vertical: 37.5 (T-8th)
Broad Jump: 10'4" (T-10th)
3-Cone: 6.54s (3rd)
20yd Shuttle: 4.05s (6th)
60yd Shuttle: 11.03 (5th)

Now I don't know if he gets in the 4.3 range electronically, but I think he would at least be in the 4.4 range, something no safety at the combine managed to do.

Someone took footage of the pro day, has Jeremy Kerley, Colin Jones, and Andy Dalton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N2PdSNK8yM&feature=player_embedded

Nebraska safety Dejon Gomes ran a 4.4 at the combine, but 4.3 at a pro day is outstanding speed for a safety prospect.

DiG
03-14-2011, 11:31 AM
Jacquizz Rodgers ran 4.47 and 4.53 in the 40 yard dash after running a 4.6 at the NFL Scouting combine

batsandgats
03-14-2011, 11:34 AM
Nebraska safety Dejon Gomes ran a 4.4 at the combine, but 4.3 at a pro day is outstanding speed for a safety prospect.

my bad, I didn't see him listed on the combine site in the 40, but I just found that on a few other sites so should have looked it up.

DiG
03-15-2011, 11:11 AM
a bit disapointed that daniel thomas still wont be running today. will be interested to see how well ahmad black improves on his 40 today.

no bare feet
03-15-2011, 11:23 AM
Word on the street is that Andy Dalton had an awesome proday. JaxJag_1 may be correct then!

SolidGold
03-16-2011, 07:18 AM
Ahmad Black ran a 4.74 and 4.76 at Florida's pro day per Rob Rang

iowatreat54
03-16-2011, 03:52 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sources-Iowa-to-hold-second-day-of-availability-for-NFL-personnel.html

Don't worry guys, you will get to watch Captain America work out twice before draft day comes.

Brown Leader
03-16-2011, 05:36 PM
Wow

Mount Union wide receiver Cecil Shorts ran the 40-yard dash in 4.35 and 4.41 seconds today at his Pro Day workout (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Cecil-Shorts-runs-435-441-today-at-Pro-Day.html) on a wet artificial turf, according to league sources with knowledge of the situation.

really helped himself after a solid combine.

Babylon
03-16-2011, 05:43 PM
Wow



really helped himself after a solid combine.

They had him at 4.59 at the combine so i'm not sure what these pro day times really mean, guess it might make sense to average the two to get a real gauge.

ElectricEye
03-16-2011, 06:28 PM
Ahmad Black ran a 4.74 and 4.76 at Florida's pro day per Rob Rang
Goodbye draft stock.

Babylon
03-16-2011, 06:52 PM
Goodbye draft stock.

They all seem slow with their times down there in Gainesville. Do they know how to measure out 40 yards?.

TACKLE
03-16-2011, 06:55 PM
They all seem slow with their times down there in Gainesville. Do they know how to measure out 40 yards?.

Oddly enough, on NFLN they were talking about how Florida is considered a fast track. Though I have a hard time buying it considering its natural grass. Maybe it had the reputation back when almost everyone was on natural grass but not anymore. Ahmad Black and Brandon Spikes can attest to that.

P-L
03-16-2011, 07:00 PM
Black ran a 4.76 and 4.78, iirc, at the combine. I doubt his stock drops any further than it already has.

ElectricEye
03-16-2011, 07:05 PM
Certainly didn't help himself one bit like some hoped he would though.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-16-2011, 09:34 PM
I'm going to stick on the Ahmad Black train. He's not ever going to be great, but he can play.

Caulibflower
03-17-2011, 12:17 AM
Yeah, I'm not terribly down on him for his 40 times. He's a good football player even if he isn't fast. He's got great instincts, is a sure tackler and is always making plays. I'd still draft him late and give him a fair chance to win some playing time.

And did he look slow playing in the SEC? Was he having trouble keeping up? The speed in the SEC is going to be comparable to that of the NFL. Lots of fast receivers and big running backs, and he didn't look out of place at all.

FUNBUNCHER
03-17-2011, 03:12 AM
Even college schemes can be designed to hide a player's weaknesses, and Ahmad Black is going to be exposed in the NFL if his top end speed is 4.7.

Who's he going to match up with one on one??

I'll admit I saw very little of UF last season, maybe three complete games, but I still say he can have the greatest anticipation and instincts in the world, if Black takes a fraction of a false step in coverage, 95% of the WRs in the NFL are going to dust him.

Laron Landry is 4 TENTHS OF A SECOND faster than Ahmad Black, and he's totally lost when he has to cover a WR more than 25 yards downfield.

Yeah football is all about 'real' game speed, not a stopwatch, but a DB running that slow is problematic.

niel89
03-17-2011, 10:46 PM
I just wanted to chime in here with some news and notes from the Stanford pro day today:

Stanford’s participants included: Chike Amajoyi, Chase Beeler, Ryan Whalen, Brian Bulcke, Siona Fua, Derek Hall, Owen Marecic, Andrew Phillips, Taylor Skaufel, Richard Sherman, Doug Baldwin, Konrad Reuland, Thomas Keiser, Nate Whitaker, Alex Loukas and Zach Nolan.

The day consisted of classroom testing, weight room evaluations, on-field agility drills and football specific position drills.

About some of the the 49ers staff on hand today
Among the coaches making the short drive up Highway 101 were defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, offensive coordinator Greg Roman, offensive line coach Tim Drevno and running backs coach Tom Rathman. Two 49ers scouts also were on hand Thursday.




-FB Owen Marecic

One scout had Marecic’s 40 time at 4.77. He also recorded a 32” vertical leap and 8’ 11” broad jump. Owen Marecic went through cone drills and then spent more than a half hour chatting with 49ers running backs coach Tom Rathman in a corner of the practice field.

-NT Sione Fua

Nose tackle Sione Fua rested on all of the numbers he produced at the combine save the broad jump and vertical jump. His broad jump improved from 8 feet 5 inches to 8-7 while his vertical went from 24 inches to 28 inches. That's not bad, especially considering his weight went from 308 pounds in late February to 311 pounds today.


Fua has one private workout set up thus far -- with the Jets.

-CB Richard Sherman

Sherman participated in drills at both cornerback and wide receiver, where he recorded 81 career receptions for 1,340 yards before transitioning to the secondary for the 2009 campaign.

He improved the 40 time he recorded at the Combine, clocking a 4.47 in today’s drills. he also had an impressive 11-foot broad jump and 37” vertical leap.

-OLB Thomas Keiser

Measured in at 6-3 3/8 inches and weighed 261 pounds. Keiser pulled a hamstring on his first attempt on the 40-yard dash; a make up date has not been set.

-WR Doug Baldwin

Baldwin, Stanford’s leading receiver last season with 58 receptions for 857 yards and nine touchdowns, turned in “dominating” performances in all agility and position drills. He was clocked at 4.45 in the 40 and recorded a 10’ 3” broad jump to go along with a 37” vertical leap.

-C Chase Beeler

Weighed in at 295 pounds and hoisted 225 pounds 33 times.


Here is a little highlight tape the athletic department threw together:
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Sources:
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/03/niners-rathman.html
http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/031711aaa.html

yourfavestoner
03-17-2011, 11:05 PM
Oddly enough, on NFLN they were talking about how Florida is considered a fast track. Though I have a hard time buying it considering its natural grass. Maybe it had the reputation back when almost everyone was on natural grass but not anymore. Ahmad Black and Brandon Spikes can attest to that.

I have been saying that for years now. Florida Pro Day times are notoriously slow (in comparison to other Pro Days - they usually match up with the combine numbers). I have no idea where the "fast track" business started. Like you said, it's a natural grass surface and always has been.

ElectricEye
03-17-2011, 11:09 PM
Shame about Keiser. I'm really interested in what he brings to the table.

Iamcanadian
03-18-2011, 12:29 AM
Even college schemes can be designed to hide a player's weaknesses, and Ahmad Black is going to be exposed in the NFL if his top end speed is 4.7.

Who's he going to match up with one on one??

I'll admit I saw very little of UF last season, maybe three complete games, but I still say he can have the greatest anticipation and instincts in the world, if Black takes a fraction of a false step in coverage, 95% of the WRs in the NFL are going to dust him.

Laron Landry is 4 TENTHS OF A SECOND faster than Ahmad Black, and he's totally lost when he has to cover a WR more than 25 yards downfield.

Yeah football is all about 'real' game speed, not a stopwatch, but a DB running that slow is problematic.

Really great points.

TheSlinger
03-18-2011, 12:31 PM
Davon House reportedly runs a 4.32.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-New-Mexico-State-CB-Davon-House-ran-a-432-today.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

FUNBUNCHER
03-18-2011, 02:59 PM
Davon House reportedly runs a 4.32.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-New-Mexico-State-CB-Davon-House-ran-a-432-today.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


WHOooee!!!

I'm a ***** for great 40 times!!!! Luv em!!.

Caulibflower
03-18-2011, 03:23 PM
WHOooee!!!

I'm a ***** for great 40 times!!!! Luv em!!.

Aqib Talib - 4.44

Vontae Davis - 4.49

Johnathan Joseph - 4.32

Leon Hall - 4.38

Derrell Revis - 4.38 (6.56 3-cone!)

Devin McCourty - 4.48

Joe Haden - 4.57

Cortland Finnegan - 4.34 (Pro Day)

Brandon Flowers - 4.55

Nnamdi Asomugha - 4.45

Asante Samuel - 4.50

Charles Woodson - 4.44

Tramon Williams - 4.60

Antoine Winfield - 4.41

Brent Grimes - 4.57 (Pro Day)

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - 4.29


Just for a little perspective, some of the better cornerbacks in the league and the forties they had coming into the NFL. Sorry if any of those are wrong, I just posted the first seemingly-legitimately-sourced times I found for each.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-18-2011, 03:35 PM
On an ankle he considered to only be about 80%, Noel Devine ran a 4.26 and a 4.38.

P-L
03-18-2011, 04:18 PM
Did Devine get weighed?

FUNBUNCHER
03-18-2011, 05:13 PM
On an ankle he considered to only be about 80%, Noel Devine ran a 4.26 and a 4.38.

I heard on NFL Network that it was a 4.43, anyway it confirms that Devine has quickness and the ability to run away from defenders.

Is he at least a solid 3rd round draft pick now??

Wrathman
03-18-2011, 07:53 PM
I heard on NFL Network that it was a 4.43, anyway it confirms that Devine has quickness and the ability to run away from defenders.

Is he at least a solid 3rd round draft pick now??

No. He might be a solid 5th-round pick now.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-19-2011, 03:25 PM
I heard on NFL Network that it was a 4.43, anyway it confirms that Devine has quickness and the ability to run away from defenders.

Is he at least a solid 3rd round draft pick now??

Yeah, I read that on Roto too. I'd probably go with that, since I got those numbers from a WVU site.

ToldLikeItIs
03-21-2011, 06:07 PM
Ballard ran a 4.68 forty, 7.15 cone, 34" vert..at 286 lbs.

DJK ran a 4.5, 35" vert, 21 reps.

Clayborn had a 35" vert, 7.08 cone.

Iowa had a really good Pro-Day.

iowatreat54
03-21-2011, 06:30 PM
I thought DJK wasn't invited to the Pro Day?

Also, I haven't been able to find anything on how Stanzi looked. Any info?

Either way, we have another one in a month so any guys that had a bad day can redeem. I don't imagine Ballard will retest.

bigboiajhawk
03-21-2011, 06:38 PM
Ballard ran a 4.68 forty, 7.15 cone, 34" vert..at 286 lbs.

DJK ran a 4.5, 35" vert, 21 reps.

Clayborn had a 35" vert, 7.08 cone.

Iowa had a really good Pro-Day.



I really wish DJK would have finished his career at Iowa in a better light because he is a phenomenal athlete and would be considered one of the top Senior WR's. Now he is looking at rounds 3-5 instead of 2-3. Teams will be getting a player with him as long as he can stay out of the doghouse.

bigboiajhawk
03-21-2011, 06:43 PM
According to this article from National Football post, it says that DJK tested at a facility near the Iowa campus.

NEW ORLEANS -- Former Iowa wide receiver Derrell Johnson-Koulianos ran the 40-yard dash in 4.50 and 4.52 seconds today at his Pro Day workout near the Hawkeyes' campus, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

The 5-foot-11, 200-pounder registered a 9-10 broad jump and a 34 1/2 inch vertical leap.

He bench pressed 225 pounds 21 times.

He had a 4.42 short shuttle, a 6.92 three-cone drill and an 11.92 60-yard shuttle.

Johnson-Kouilanos is the Hawkeyes' all-time leading wide receiver.

He wasn'tallowed to work out at Iowa anymore following a well-publicized drug arrest last year that got him suspended from the football team.

Ultimately, Johnson-Koulianos pleaded guilty to a simple possession of marijuana charge in a plea bargain deal. He received unsupervised probation and no jail time.

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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Derrell-JohnsonKoulianos-ran-a-450-today.html

iowatreat54
03-21-2011, 06:53 PM
DJK is going to make some team really, really happy in the later rounds. He isn't a homerun type WR, but he runs great routes, has very reliable hands, and is still quick enough to break away. Plus, he is a very good returner.

Sucks that his career ended on such a low note, but on the field he's a very solid possession WR.

FUNBUNCHER
03-21-2011, 08:39 PM
Ballard ran a 4.68 forty, 7.15 cone, 34" vert..at 286 lbs.

DJK ran a 4.5, 35" vert, 21 reps.

Clayborn had a 35" vert, 7.08 cone.

Iowa had a really good Pro-Day.


Did Ballard look as fast as he timed in Iowa games?? That's crazy speed BTW for someone over 280#.

batsandgats
03-21-2011, 10:36 PM
Northwood University's linebacker Andrew DeWeerd. at 6-1, 221-pounds, he ran a 4.56 and 4.57 in the 40-yard dash. He had a 1.57 10-yard, 2.64 20-yard, 35 ½ inch vertical, 10’4 broad jump, 4.29 short shuttle, 7.00 3-cone, and did 14 reps.

Maybe he can play SS, that is pretty big, but safety like speed.

UW-Stout defensive end Justin Rindt. Rindt (6-3, 267-pounds) put up the following numbers at Wisconsin's Pro Day: ran a 4.72 and 4.76 in the 40, had a 1.67 10-yard split, 2.69 20-yard, 31 1/2-inch vertical, 9'2 broad jump, 4.50 short shuttle, 7.56 3-cone, and did 25 bench reps. His personal best in the 10 yard split is 1.54

Wisconsin-Whitewater SS Lane Olson (5-8, 203-pounds) also had great numbers at Wisconsin's Pro Day. he ran a 4.45 and 4.50 in the 40, had a 1.52 10-yard, 2.55 20-yard, 4.08 short-shuttle. 6.46 3-cone, 10'4 broad jump, and a 38-inch vertical

His height is a little small height wise but is similar height to someone like Jim Leonhard and weighs more.

Jalil Carter (WR), Veritical : 37-inches, the broad jump 10-05.50 and the 40-yard dash with a time of 4.38. Played 3 years as a kr/db and made the transition to wide receiver last year, really coming along towards the end of the season, with 5 catches for 109 yards against Buffalo, he also had a 100 yards against Miami(OH) the week before.


Ryan Travis, 6-2, 242-pounds Travis performed at Akron's Pro Day, where he ran a 4.65 and a 4.66 in the 40, 1.45 10-yard, 2.67 20-yard, 33-inch vertical, 9’2 broad jump, 4.49 short shuttle, 6.93 3-cone, and 22 bench press reps. two-time first-team Division II All-American. His 126 catches and 12.6 catches-per-game average each rank #2 all-time on the NCAA Division II single-season receiving list. his 15 TD catches ties the NCAA Division II single-season record for tight ends (This was in 10 games). his 285 career catches are the fifth-highest total for any NCAA Division II receiver in history, and he leaves West Liberty as the school’s career leader in catches, receiving yards (3,228) and receiving touchdowns (34)

"DE #10 Keith Darbut (6041, 229 benched 26 reps, ran a 4.38 40-yard dash, 1.42 10-yard, 38-inch vertical, 10'6 broad jump, 4.45 short shuttle, and 7.28 3-cone. Because of that we have done some digging on him and below is what we found out. Darbut is from Miami, Florida and was relatively quiet his first three years because of no coaching consistency. He's had three defensive line coaches and two defensive coordinators in his career.He was a first-team All-OAC selection and named defensive lineman of the year in the OAC in 2010. His 43 tackles, 15 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks, 11 quarterback hurries, two fumble recoveries, two forced fumbles, and 40-yard touchdown reception show he makes plays in plenty of different ways."

"Beiler, the ODAC offensive player of the year and a Division III All-American in 2010, was among the six players to work out for scouts from five NFL teams Wednesday at James Madison ...
The Browns, Ravens, Raiders, Buccaneers and Falcons had scouts on hand Wednesday ... "It's judgment day," said Beiler, who led the country in all-purpose yards per game as a senior.
"I've been working hard. The last three months I've been putting all my time and energy into this day right here," he said. "Just to get my name out there more, create a little buzz."
Beiler succeeded in creating a buzz, at least inside the weight room at the Plecker Athletic Performance Center, with a 40.5-inch vertical jump, the best of the day.
Beiler also did 15 reps on the 225-pound bench press, and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.39 seconds"


He put up better numbers (production and I think also pro day) than Cecil Shorts.

TACKLE
03-21-2011, 11:20 PM
Did Ballard look as fast as he timed in Iowa games?? That's crazy speed BTW for someone over 280#.

Oh Ballard can run for sure. He can really move and has great feet. He just isn't all that great at the point of attack.

herkyhawkeye
03-21-2011, 11:44 PM
Oh Ballard can run for sure. He can really move and has great feet. He just isn't all that great at the point of attack.



Get someone to coach him up and let him loose. He was moved around a lot along the line at Iowa. Get him a set position and his numbers will jump. His strongest asset isnt his speed but his feet. He is very very fast for his size but his best attribute is that he is very nimble.

When I get back ill throw some pics up of the Iowa proday.

SI pro daytracker is saying both Clayborn and Ballard probably solidifed 1st round picks today. Both supposedly looked phenomenal.

Wrathman
03-22-2011, 12:04 AM
His strongest asset isnt his speed but his feet.

The Jets are all over that.

ToldLikeItIs
03-22-2011, 12:19 AM
Iowa SR. LB Jeff Tarpinian ran a 4.48 at 6'3 240.

He's been injured his whole career, but when he did play this season he played very well.

Caulibflower
03-22-2011, 12:22 AM
Ryan Travis, 6-2, 242-pounds Travis performed at Akron's Pro Day, where he ran a 4.65 and a 4.66 in the 40, 1.45 10-yard, 2.67 20-yard, 33-inch vertical, 9’2 broad jump, 4.49 short shuttle, 6.93 3-cone, and 22 bench press reps. two-time first-team Division II All-American. His 126 catches and 12.6 catches-per-game average each rank #2 all-time on the NCAA Division II single-season receiving list. his 15 TD catches ties the NCAA Division II single-season record for tight ends (This was in 10 games). his 285 career catches are the fifth-highest total for any NCAA Division II receiver in history, and he leaves West Liberty as the school’s career leader in catches, receiving yards (3,228) and receiving touchdowns (34)


The guy breaks a lot of tackles. You can see the acceleration, too. I'm a bit intrigued.

AEUT16_0wiM

Skip the first 1:15 and mute it.

ToldLikeItIs
03-22-2011, 12:23 AM
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/view.gal?id=90191

A lot of great pics in that gallery. Clayborn can really get up.

SolidGold
03-22-2011, 03:03 PM
UGA Pro Day:

Justin Houston ran between a 4.64 - 4.7
AJ Green did not run but performed well in drills
Kris Durham was timed in the 4.4s and had a solid workout

Source: Steve Wyche NFL Pro Day Blog

georgiafan
03-22-2011, 03:39 PM
Kris Durham had a monster pro day ran in the 4.4 and checked in at 6'5 212. This might be enough to get him drafted in the late rounds now. His vertical was 35.5 and borad 10.1

Hines
03-22-2011, 03:41 PM
When is Notre Dame's Pro Day so I can know how well Darrin Walls does?

SolidGold
03-22-2011, 04:29 PM
Durham might have solidified himself as a 4th-5th rounder with that workout/explosiveness and speed at 6'5 210lbs

bigbluedefense
03-22-2011, 04:43 PM
What did Nate Irving run?

batsandgats
03-22-2011, 07:32 PM
Kris Durham had a monster pro day ran in the 4.4 and checked in at 6'5 212. This might be enough to get him drafted in the late rounds now. His vertical was 35.5 and borad 10.1
well you could tell he had the speed from his highlights, he would have a man beat down the field, only to have to slow down/stop in order to catch it or adjust to a poor pass, there are two catches in the video where hes hit in stride, one against Miss St at 1:40 and the other against GTech where he takes it to the house at 3:43. Even when hes well covered like at 2:33 with 3 guys, hes just so big with long arms and leaping ability that hes open anyway and finds a way to catch it if you throw it to him.


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Seems like a Sean Payton type player. He likes to get taller receivers, most who have been late round picks like Colston (6'4) and Adrian Arrington (6'3), Meachem was pretty tall (6'2) and sub 4.5, but was a 1st rounder. Hes brought in a lot of udfa's that were tall as well. Durham would be a nice addition since they spread the ball around quite a bit, I think he would thrive in that offense. The only 6'0 and under wide receivers he really has is Devery Henderson and Lance Moore, both guys that were with the Saints before he arrived. Jimmy Graham was used like a receiver last year at 6'6 260, didn't do much blocking, but didnt have to.

Hines
03-22-2011, 07:52 PM
Kris Durham can be the big WR that Ben has always wanted.

SenorGato
03-22-2011, 08:11 PM
Everyone Shhhhhhhhhhhh on Durham. Gosh.

How about that Murray kid at QB ay? What a Drew Brees wannabe...I see decent things for him in the future.

Halsey
03-22-2011, 08:48 PM
The main question about Durham is durability. I like him, but worry he won't be able to stay healthy.

batsandgats
03-22-2011, 09:22 PM
eh, the only big thing was the shoulder injury from what I remember. He hurt his ankle a few times but its not that big of a concern. He was a late bloomer and didn't fill out his frame until later in his career, dude was like 180 pounds for a while. He weighed in at 217 recently, hes got the speed to where he won't be just a possession receiver going across the middle getting the snot knocked out of him.

As far as Aaron Murray being a Brees wannabe, hes going to have to work on hitting guys in stride first. He really hung Durham out to dry on that play where he had 3 guys covering him, not many receivers make the catch.

DenverFan1974
03-22-2011, 09:54 PM
For those who care, here is a write-up about NEVADA's pro day. It is the NEVADA homer/fan site so take it for what it is worth.

NEVADA's Pro Day (http://www.silverandbluesports.com/2011/03/22/nevada-pros-impress-on-pro-day/)

Here Kaepernick unofficial write-up by Evan Silva (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/22/colin-kaepernick-goes-36-for-38-at-nevada-pro-day/)

georgiafan
03-23-2011, 07:56 AM
Durham does have alot of injuries he has never made it though a full season healthy and was redshirted all of last year bc on a inj. He also has only produced one year. I watched him play in high school and im cheering for him, but is a 6th r 7th round draft pick. Lots of people here want the falcons to draft him and take over Brian Finneran's role.

ncst8fan83
03-23-2011, 08:53 AM
What did Nate Irving run?

NCSU pro-day is @ 11am today. I will let you know what I hear.

SolidGold
03-23-2011, 09:09 AM
Durham does have alot of injuries he has never made it though a full season healthy and was redshirted all of last year bc on a inj. He also has only produced one year. I watched him play in high school and im cheering for him, but is a 6th r 7th round draft pick. Lots of people here want the falcons to draft him and take over Brian Finneran's role.


Durham could actually be a deep threat though, Finneran was not a real vertical threat. Durham probably won't go any higher than the 5th but his value is would not be that of a slot guy but a compliment to a good number 1 receiver and a guy who could stretch the field.

This size/speed ratio for Durham has to make him an enticing player for some team but liek you stated, the injury history is worrisome.

bigbluedefense
03-23-2011, 09:55 AM
NCSU pro-day is @ 11am today. I will let you know what I hear.

Nice. It's about time. Keep me posted, I've been looking forward to this for awhile.

Don Vito
03-23-2011, 10:12 AM
Jerrell Powe did well at the Ole Miss pro day. Ravens, Chiefs, and Bronco are among the teams looking at him the hardest he said.

ncst8fan83
03-23-2011, 10:46 AM
Nice. It's about time. Keep me posted, I've been looking forward to this for awhile.

So far the only thing out is 27 reps on the bench. I'll update this post as I hear more.

Unofficial 4.65 40. Weighed in at 242 with very little body fat.

For those interested:
Jake Vermiglio - 323#, 28.5" vert, 23 bench,
Jarvis Williams - 6'4", 213#, 33" vert, 10' broad, 7 bench

From Derek Medlin:
Nate's 40 time is, of course, unofficial. In his two runs I saw numbers anywhere from 4.62 to 4.74 so I would assume he's somewhere in that 4.65 to 4.7 range. Nate has to be pleased with that. He weighed in at 242, had a 33.5" vertical, 8'11" broad jump and did 27 reps of 225 on the bench press (tied with Mageo for most reps on the team).