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Chidi29
03-06-2011, 11:38 AM
My apologies for the 3rd person arrogance in the title. I sound like Cam Newton.

From the beginning of the college football season, I've worked on watching players to create my own "scouting reports" on players.

A couple things to point out before I start posting my rankings.

These rankings are entirely mine. That means the rankings are going to look different. In some cases, very different from the "normal" rankings you see.

The rankings show how much I like the player and how successful I think he will be in the NFL. It is not an indicator of where he will be drafted. I may put someone in my top three who won't get drafted until the mid-rounds.

Most importantly, I unfortuantely didn't get to watch every single player. I would have loved to but you're not going to be able to get to see everyone. These players are included in my rankings that appear before my reports but they aren't too accurate. Take those with a grain of salt.

Players that I have not watched will be marked with an asterisk next to them.

In my rankings before my reports, I created a list of 15-20 people and ranked them. I wanted to get a "nice" number of 15 to 20 for the positions I looked at. That meant me adding a few people I didn't get to watch. That also meant I left some players out. Just because a "scrub" is shown at #20 and a better player isn't on the list, doesn't mean that I think that scrub is a better player. I wanted to include all the players I watched and had a scouting report on in my list.

The bottom line is not to get too hung on players that I did not watch. They won't be forgotten when I create my mock.

I'll work on posting my rankings now.

Chidi29
03-06-2011, 11:39 AM
QUARTERBACK

These players are broken down into tiers. A space represents a new tier. A (x3) next to a player's name means I watched that player three times.

1. Ryan Mallet/Arkansas (x3)

2. Nathan Enderle/Idaho (x4)
3. Cam Newton/Auburn (x2)
4. Jake Locker/Washington (x4)
5. Colin Kaepernick/Nevada (x5)
6. Christian Ponder/Florida St*
7. Blaine Gabbert/Missouri (x3)

8. Pat Devlin/Delaware (x3)
9. Andy Dalton/TCU*
10. Ricky Stanzi/Iowa*
11. Greg McElroy/Alabama (x2)
12. TJ Yates/North Carolina*

13. Tyrod Taylor/Virginia Tech
14. Josh Portis/California (PA)*
15. Jeff Van Camp/Florida Atlantic*
16. Scott Tolzien/Wisconsin*
17. Adam Weber/Minnesota*
18. Jerrod Johnson/Texas A&M
19. Adam Froman/Louisville
20. Troy Weatherhead/Hillsdale*

*No notes

1. Ryan Mallett/Arkansas - 6'7 253
The Good
- Excellent size
- Elite velocity on his passes, probably the best in his class
- Excellent job of getting the ball out against the blitz
- Feels the rush well
- Good internal clock, ball comes out quickly
- Throws from a solid foundation
- Can throw from an unsound base when needed to
- Not afraid to get knocked around in the pocket
- Better touch on his passes than given credit for
- Quality reps under center
- Good starting experience
- Outstanding senior season
The Bad
- Accuracy is poor at times, especially down the sideline
- Will get overanxious and miss some easy throws
- Forces passes into coverage
- Not very mobile outside of the pocket
- Leadership, character has come into question
Other
- 29 career starts
- Began career at Michigan before transferring to Arkansas after Michigan decided to implement the spread with Rich Rod
- 64.7% completion percentage, 32/12 TD:INT ratio senior year
- Arrested for public intoxication in 2009, rumors of drug use
Final Word
Has all the physical tools with an underrated mental game. A weak class but he's the best of the bunch.
Games Watched
at Georgia, vs Alabama, at Mississippi St

2.Nathan Enderle/Idaho - 6'4 240
The Good
- Prototypical size
- Great arm, flicks passes wiith ease
- Has the ability to make every throw
- Good accuracy on deeper passes
- Can get proper touch on throws
- Stands tall in the pocket
- Above average pocket presence, feels rush and moves in the pocket
- Can read defenses and make needed audibles at the line
- Pro-style offense, lots of snaps under center
- Tons of experience, working with an experienced coach
The Bad
- Gunslinger, will force throws
- Interceptions have been a career problem
- Will stare down targets
- Pocket presence will break down at times, will pat the ball when under pressure
- Not very mobile outside the pocket
- Poor senior season
- Struggled against tougher competition
- Minor injury concerns
Other
- Four year starter, 47 games.
- Poor supporting cast senior year. Lost top WR, OL, TE missed time.
- Missed about four games in freshman year due to ruptured tendon in throwing hand. Also missed two in junior year with a shoulder injury.
- Offensive coordinator was Steve Axman, coaching 30+ years
Final Word
Underrated QB who has shown to be able to do everything asked of an NFL QB. Needs to be a better decision maker and has some work to do, but could very well be one of the better QBs to come out of this class.
Games Watched
at La Tech, vs New Mexico St (half), vs Nevada (half), vs Bosie St

3. Cam Newton/Auburn - 6'5 248
The Good
- Rare size and definitely looks the part.
- Great arm, can chuck it deep even on the move
- Uses size to extend the play
- Stays in the pocket, doesn't look to immediately take off
- Keeps his eyes downfield while moving
- Quick release
- Superb running ability
- Shows a second gear in the open field
- Changes directions quickly
- Extremely productive season at Auburn
- Human highlight reel
The Bad
- Wasn't asked to throw down the field very often
- Not accurate on the run
- Not accurate when asked to throw from an unsound base.
- A simple offense, screens and zone reads
- Won't always step into his throws, tries to get by on arm
- Character concerns
Other
- 49 total touchdowns in lone season with the Tigers (28 passing, 20 rushing, 1 receiving)
- Over 1400 rushing yards
- Career started out at Florida. Transferred to JUCO, Blinn College, before choosing Auburn
- Stole a laptop at Florida, questions about knowing a bribe was involved before coming to Auburn
Final Word
A unique set of skills and a better passer than he's given credit for. Character concerns and raw will hold him back.
Games Watched
at Kentucky, vs LSU

4. Jake Locker/Washington - 6'3 231
The Good
- Above average arm with good zip on his passes
- Very accurate while throwing on the run to either side
- Ability to go through his progressions
- Keeps eyes downfield
- Isn't phased by pressure, willing to take a shot to make a throw
- Athletic, mobile
- As tough as they come, plays through injuries
- Gritty, hard-nosed player that never slides
- Resilient
- Pro offense
- Quality starting experience
The Bad
- Average height
- Bouts of horrible inaccuracy with passes sailing or going behind receivers
- Will make mental mistakes
- Poor pocket presence, doesn't slide when needed
- Throws off his backfoot far too often
- Will stare down targets
- Inconsistent
- Turnover prone
- Durability both in college and ability to hold up in the NFL
- Poor senior season, regressed throughout
Other
- 40 career starts
- Completion percentage and touchdowns decreased as interceptions increased from junior to senior year
- Broke thumb sophomore year that limited him to playing four games, missed one game senior year with broken rib
- Close to 2000 career rushing yards
- Drafted in 10th round by Los Angeles Angels
- Was considered a top prospect before returning to school
- Had a bad supporting cast
Final Word
A well-respected leader who will do whatever it takes to win. His aggressive style could pose problems at the NFL level in terms of durability and his inconsistency can be maddening at times. His stock has dropped and rightfully so but he's not as bad of a prospect as some make him out to be.
Games Watched
vs Arizona St, vs Oregon St, vs UCLA, vs Nebraska (bowl)

5. Colin Kaepernick/Nevada 6'5 233
The Good
- Height isn't a problem (6'4 1/2)
- Rocket arm, perhaps the best in his class
- Accurate overall on all types of passes
- Throws a very catchable ball
- Good internal clock, doesn't take a lot of uneeded sacks
- Mobile, will flash an impressive second gear in the open field
- Keeps eyes downfield while on move
- Clutch
- Leader, winner
- Ultra-productive career both passing and running
- A strong senior year
- Good coaching
- Durable
The Bad
- "Gumby" body, needs to fill out his frame
- Struggles in the red zone, turnover prone
- Will stare down receivers, force some throws
- Will throw across his body
- Bit of a windup
- Tends to hold the ball away from his body when running, prone to fumbling
- May be a little too quick to hit checkdown, doesn't always go through progressions
- Pistol offense
Other
- Four year starter, 50 games
- Three straight years of 2000 yards passing, 1000 yards rushing, first to ever do so
- 140 career touchdowns passing and rushing
- Just under 14000 yards ot total offense
- Defeated Bosie St to eliminate them from championship contention
- Coached by ultra-experienced coach Chris Ault
- Throws a 90+ mph fastball, drafted by Cubs in 43rd round
Final Word
Very interesting skillset coupled with one of the most productive careers for any college QB. Has the physical tools but the mental side is suspect.
Games Watched
at Hawaii (half), at Idaho (half), at Fresno St, vs Bosie St, vs Boston College (bowl)

6. Blaine Gabbert/Missouri - 6'4 234
The Good
- Excellent size
- Solid arm and zip on passes
- Has shown ability to throw deep ball
- Uses size to shake off defenders
- Tough and a competitor
- Some escapbility in the pocket but more awkwardly athletic than agile
- Upside
The Bad
- Awful pocket presence
- Feels a ghost rush and easily leaves the pocket
- Doesn't keep his eyes downfield while on the move
- Accuracy is inconsistent
- Doesn't always reset his feet
- Throws off backfoot too much
- Forces throws
- Poor decision-maker
- Simple. spread offense
Other
- Two year starter, 26 games
- Only 40 touchdowns in two years in spread system, including 16 as a junior
Final Word
An overrated prospect who may have the physical tools, but doesn't look strong in the pocket or above the shoulders. Will be drafted higher than he should based on a weak class.
Games Watched
at Nebraska, at Texas Tech, vs Kansas St

7. Pat Devlin/Delaware - 6'3 225
The Good
- Size isn't an issue
- Extremely smart, able to read defenses
- Goes through his progressions routinely
- Little "read and react" time. Knows where everyone is at
- Accurate underneath
- Doesn't force passes, not prone to turning the ball over
- Feels the rush, steps up in the pocket
- Resets feet after moving
- Keeps eyes downfield
- Quick release
- Willing to take a hit, stands tall in the pocket
- Productive, efficient career
The Bad
- Didn't take a lot of shots downfield, mostly underneath routes
- Inaccurate on deeper throws, struggles with the comeback
- Doesn't have a rocket arm, not the next Flacco
- FCS school, didn't face top competition
- Will make the occassional mental mistake
- Not very mobile outside of the pocket
- Spread/pistol offense, needs experience working on reading defenses on dropbacks
Other
- Started two years with the Blue Hens after transferring from Penn St
- 25 career starts
- 42 touchdowns/12 interceptions in two years
Final Word
- Very smart QB who can read defenses with the best of them. But hasn't been asked to make the difficult throws needed to be an NFL QB. A major question that needs to be answered.
Games Watched
vs New Hampshire, vs Georgia Southern, vs Eastern Washington

8. Greg McElroy/Alabama - 6'2 220
The Good
- Tremendous accuracy on all types of throws
- Feels the rush as well as any QB
- Reads the whole field, goes through his progressions
- Can work underneath and take what the defense gives him
- Stands tall in the pocket
- Good release
- Rarely throws with his feet not set
- Winner albeit more of a game manager
- Good senior year
The Bad
- Short
- Leads to passes being batted down by taller defensive lineman
- At best, an average arm
- Not much zip on throws
- Deeper passes tend to float
- Occassionally locks onto targets when feeling pressure
- Not very mobile, taken down pretty easily
- A strong supporting cast
- Did get reps under center but less pro style than you'd expect
Other
- 27 career starts
- Insane completion percentage senior year, over 70%
- Used as much pistol when throwing as they did working from under center
- Extremely smart, 2010 Academic All-American of the Year
- 3.86 GPA
Final Word
Kid that you root for but lack of physical ability will kill his potential. He simply doesn't have the arm for a vertical offense and lacks mobility for a West Coast.
Games Watched
at Arkansas, at LSU

9. Tyrod Taylor/Virginia Tech - 6'1 217
The Good
- Keeps plays alive, able to turn something out of nothing
- Could be considered slippery as a runner
- Able to reset his feet after scrambling
- Has the ability to read/anticipate blitzes
- Quality zip on passes
- Wasn't interception prone
- Durable
- Excellent starting experience
The Bad
- Undersized
- Inconsistent game
- Loses a lot of accuracy on deeper throws
- Leaves the pocket too often when there isn't a rush
- May have a low release point, especially troublesome with short height
- Spread offense
- Wasn't very productive until senior year
Other
- Only 20 INTs in over 850 attempts
- Poor completion percentage, never above 60% for a single season
- 2200 yards rushing in career at Virginia Tech
Final Word
Offers a little more than the typical scrambling quarterback but wasn't overwhelming at the college level. Likely won't turn around in the pros.
Games Watched
vs Stanford (bowl)

10. Jerrod Johnson/Texas A&M - 6'5 251
The Good
- Great size
- Flashes of upside
- Can throw the comeback
- Mobile
- Good starting experience
The Bad
- Poor decision-maker
- Throws passes into coverage
- Ball-security issues
- Poor senior season, led him to getting benched.
Other
- 30 career starts
- Got time at WR early in career
Final Word
Once was an intruiging prospect. Poor senior season killed his stock. May have to attempt position switch just to have a chance to make noise at the next level.
Games Watched
at Oklahoma St, East/West Shrine Bowl

11. Adam Froman/Louisville - 6'4 220
The Good
- Good size
- Puts touch on his passes
- Accurate
- Goes through progressions
- Overall, an athlete
The Bad
- Injury concerns
- Windup in throwing motion
- Doesn't have a ton of zip on his passes
- Pistol offense
- Not a lot of experience
- Numbers weren't too impressive
Other
- Missed five games this year with a thigh bruise
- Just 16 starts in his career
- Had one reception for 27 yards
- Has gotten work on special teams
Final Word
An odd combination of roles. Nothing about him stands out. Likely to get a look as a free agent.
Games Watched
at Cincinnatti

Chidi29
03-06-2011, 11:40 AM
OFFENSIVE TACKLE

1.Tyron Smith/USC (x2)
2.Gabe Carimi/Wisconsin (x5)
3.Nate Solder/Colorado (x2)

4.Anthony Castonzo/Boston College (x3)
5.Derek Sherrod/Mississippi St (x4)
6.Jason Pinkston/Pittsburgh (x2)

7.James Brewer/Indiana*
8.Joseph Barksdale/LSU (x3)
9.DeMarcus Love/Arkansas
10.Danny Watkins/Baylor (x2)

11.Lee Ziemba/Auburn*
12.Willie Smith/East Carolina*
13.Darius Morris/Temple*
14.Jah Reid/UCF (x2)
15.Marcus Gilbert/Florida*
16.Derek Newton/Arkansas St*

17.David Mims/Virginia Union*
18.J'Micheal Deane/Michigan St (x2)
19.Jake Vermiglio/NC State
20.Jack Range/Cal (PA) (x2)

*No notes

1. Tyron Smith/USC - 6'5 307
The Good
- Extremely athletic, moves as well as any tackle
- Much better run blocker than you'd expect
- Gets proper pad level
- Gets arms extended and shows ability to drive
- Sticks on contact
- Top-notch motor. Doesn't quit on the play
- Had success against pro prospects (i.e. Mason Foster)
- Lots of upside
The Bad
- A little light
- Some struggles at the second level, gets a little grabby
- Little raw in pass protection
- Trouble mirroring
- Can react slowly off snap
- Lack of upper body strength will show from time to time
- Some tendencies to bend his waist in pass protection
- Couple off of the field problems
- School doesn't have great recent track history of OL
Other
- Two year starter
- Only started at RT
- Thumb surgery before the 2010 season, sprained ankle caused him to miss a game in 2008
- Ruled academically ineligible for one game in 2009
- Charles Brown, Chilo Rachal yet to have success
Final Word
A little rough around the edges but immense upside and a lot of things in his current game that you like. Will need to add weight but given current run blocking, doesn't need to add a lot.
Games Watched
vs Washington, at Oregon St

2. Gabe Carimi/Wisconsin - 6'7 314
The Good
- Massive size with long arms (35+ inches)
- Excellent job of getting to and engaging at the second level
- Game over when he locks on in running game
- Top upper body strength, can drive defenders into the ground
- Gets feet underneath him in running game
- Feet are always moving in both phases
- Can turn defenders to open up running lanes
- Athletic, pulled on a lot of sweeps
- Mirrors well in pass protection
- Moves better laterally than given credit for
- Outstanding starting experience
- Good program
The Bad
- Will lunge in pass protection
- Has some trouble sticking on contact
- Needs to consistently get his arms extened in run game
- Minor injury concerns
- Played just one position, left tackle
Other
- Four-year starter, 49 starts
- Missed three games sophomore year with knee injury, dealt with other injuries that didn't keep him out of games
- Excellent class of lineman and a good history (i.e. Joe Thomas)
Final Word
As physical as they come and a good pass blocker. Some suggest he has to move to RT, but he could be juvt as successful on the blindside.
Games Watched
at UNLV, vs San Jose St, vs Austin Peay, at Michigan St, vs TCU (bowl)

3. Nate Solder/Colorado - 6'8 319
The Good
- Big frame with long arms (35 1/2 inches)
- Fires off snap
- Quick burst in run blocking, great first step
- Feet are always moving
- Gets solid leverage in run game despite tall height
- Good leg drive
- Sticks on contact
- Uses his arms well in pass protection, keeps DE off him
- Overall, a solid foundation in both phases
- Good awareness
- Can recover if beaten
- Great character and work ethic
- Lots of starting experience
The Bad
- Could stand to fill out his frame
- Doesn't have the greatest upper body strength
- Will get too upright in pass protection at times
- Has some struggles with power moves
- Not a mauler in the run game
- Doesn't consistently get arms extended in run game
- Not a lot of experience playing other positions
Other
- Entered Colorado as TE, had four starts his redshirt freshman year before converting to tackle
- 36 starts, all at left tackle
- Added 70 pounds during college, including 30 to convert to LT
- Countless awards for strong play senior year including a unanimous 1st team All Big-12
- Allowed just 21 pressures and five sacks in three years
- Runs a 4.88 40, power clean 415, and hang clean 473 pounds
Final Word
Impressive player both on and off the field. A lot to like and not a lot that you don't.
Games Watched
at Oklahoma, at Nebraska

4. Anthony Castonzo/Boston College - 6'7 311
The Good
- Athletic, moves well laterally
- Always keeps his feet moving
- Stronger than you'd expect, can throw his weight around
- Plays with a strong base
- Has as much experience as anyone else
- Played both tackle spots
- Very durable
- Extremely smart
- High character
The Bad
- Tall frame but needs to add bulk
- Doesn't always stick on contact in run game
- Hand placement tends to be too high
- Is a little vulnerable to getting beat around the edge
- Struggles with cut blocks
Other
- 54 starts
- Began career at right tackle, moved and stayed at left tackle sophomore season
- Biochemistry major, numerous academic awards
Final Word
A well-rounded, high-character player who doesn't have any glaring flaws. However, I don't see that one football trait that separates him from the rest.
Games Watched
at NC State, at Florida St, at Syracuse


5. Derek Sherrod/Mississippi St - 6'5 321
The Good
- Good size
- Long arms and big hands (35 3/8 and 11 inches respectively)
- Moves well laterally
- Technically sound
- Gets proper leverage in run game
- Handled his own against tough competition
- Able to recover when bullrushed
- Experience in pulling
- Finishes blocks, plays to the whistle
- Good awareness
- Excellent starting experience
The Bad
- Only an average run blocker
- More finesse than mauling
- Struggles in space
- Leg drive is slow
- Lacks elite quality?
Other
- Over 35 starts at tackle, most at left tackle
- Did get playing time in all four years
Final Word
Doesn't have a lot of flaws and plenty of redeemable qualities but looks to lack the "it" quality that would make him the top tackle.
Games Watched
vs UAB, vs Kentucky, at Alabama (half), vs Arkansas

6. Jason Pinkston/Pittsburgh - 6'3 317
The Good
- Long arms and big hands (34 1/2 & 10+ inches)
- Feet are always moving
- Does well in space, pulled on sweeps
- Can get to the second level
- Good awareness
- Finishes blocks
- Plays with a sound base
- Good starting experience
- Decent bloodlines
The Bad
- Shorter than the average tackle
- Not elite lateral agility
- Not a mauler in the run game
- Past injury concerns to shoulders
Other
- Started career at RT. Moved to blindside sophomore year
- Over 35 career starts
- Only played three games in 2007 after suffering shoulder injury to left shoulder. Missed bowl game in 2008 after injury to right shoulder.
- Used as fullback in goalline situations freshman year
- Cousin is former WR Todd Pinkston
Final Word
Good but not great prospect and shoulder issues are a bit troubling. Best option may come at guard.
Games Watched
vs Miami (FL), at UConn (half)

7. Joseph Barksdale/LSU - 6'5 325
The Good
- Good size with long arms (36+ inches)
- Technically sound, usually bends at the knees
- Uses size advantage to seal defenders in run game
- Gets arms extended in run game
- Correct hand placement
- Extensive starting experience
- Durable
- Versatile
The Bad
- Doesn't move well off the snap
- Not very agile laterally
- Inconsistent in mirroring
- Poor cut blocker
- Legs will sometimes quit
- School has poor recent history of large o-lineman
Other
- 39 career starts
- Two-year starter at right tackle, moved to blindside senior year
- Recent large lineman like Herman Johnson and Ciron Black have not had success
Final Word
Excellent size with some upside as a run blocker but won't be able to stay on the blindside. Right tackle or guard are the options.
Games Watched
at Auburn, at Arkansas (half), at Texas A&M (bowl)

8. DeMarcus Love/Arkansas - 6'5 315
The Good
- Good size with long arms (35 inches)
- Fires off the snap well
- Lots of position versatility
- Solid starting experience
- Played against top competition
The Bad
- Too violent of a kickslide
- Too eager to seal the edge, prone to getting beat inside
- Struggled against tougher competition
- Has trouble locking on and driving through in run game
Other
- 35+ starts
- Would play both tackle spots throughout the game, depending on matchups
- First starts of career came at guard, started eight games there sophomore year
- Abused by Cam Heyward in Sugar Bowl
- Struggled in Senior Bowl
Final Word
Interesting mesurables and athletic ability but never looked to put it together. Worth noting I didn't get a real strong look at him and the reliability of this report should be treated accordingly.
Games Watched
at Mississippi St, vs Ohio St (bowl - limited), Senior Bowl (limited)

9. Danny Watkins/Baylor - 6'3 310
The Good
- Very technicaly sound, as strong as they come
- Great job mirroring
- Gets arms extended in pass protection
- Gets a good leg drive in run game
- Showed ability to cut block at times
- Mean streak
The Bad
- Smaller than the typical tackle
- Short arms
- Not a great athlete
- Lunges a little in the run game
- Hand placement needs work, tendency to grab
- Older than most (26)
- Not a lot of experience playing football
Other
- Has only been playing football for four years
- Replaced Jason Smith in Watkins' first year at Baylor
- Attended Butte JUCO, the same college Aaron Rodgers started at
- Was a part-time firefighter
Final Word
A solid player but is inexperienced and older, a troublesome combination.
Games Watched
vs Oklahoma, vs Illinois (bowl)

10. Jah Reid/Central Florida - 6'7 327
The Good
- Excellent size and good arm length (34 inches)
- Good run blocking, drives lineman off the ball
- Pretty good job of mirroring
- Lots of starting experience
The Bad
- Too eager to seal the edge
- Leg drive is slow and lunges in run game
- Waist bender in pass protection
- Can't engage at the 2nd level
- Position limitations
Other
- Nearly 40 career starts
- All coming at RT
Final Word
Despite starting experience, Reid looks extremely raw and technically unsound. Doesn't bode well for his future.
Games Watched
vs UAB, vs Georgia

11. J'Micheal Deane/Michigan St 6'5 312
The Good
- Good frame
- Good burst, gets to hole quickly when asked to pull
- Quick, active hands
- Has shown some upside
- Some position versatility
The Bad
- Too violent of a kickslide, prone to getting beat inside
- Only an average run blocker
- Lacks a mean streak
- Can't cut block
- Inexperienced
- Raw
Other
- Only 14 career starts and 17 appearences
- Didn't become starter until senior season
- Has gotten playing time at RG and RT
- Picked in the 3rd round of the 2010 CFL draft, likely well-known after growing up in Canada
- Began college career as defensive lineman
Final Word
Brings a little bit to the table and can be molded because of lack of experience but isn't anyone to get excited about. Late round guy or free agent.
Games Watched
vs Wisconsin, vs Michigan

12. Jake Vermiglio/NC State - 6'5 325
The Good
- Good size
- Mirrors well
- Good amount of startiing experience
- Productive senior season
The Bad
- Has short arms
- Not athletic
- Waist bender
- Only average off the snap
- Struggles with power moves, gets pushed into pocket
- Durability concerns
- Position limited
Other
- 31starts, all at left tackle
- Missed three games junior season, two with a leg and one because of an illness
- Didn't allow a sack in his senior year
Final Word
Classic overachiever who has maxed out his ability. Very little upside.
Games Watched
vs Boston College

13. Jack Range/Cal (PA) 6'7 300
The Good
- Very tall with a massive frame
- Uses size to dwarf defensive players
- More athletic in space than you'd expect
The Bad
- Sloppy play all around
- Gets by on size
- Major waist bender in pass protection
- Lunges in run game, doesn't get feet underneath
- D2 competition
- Not a ton of starting experience
Other
- Two year starter at right tackle
- Bounced around at a couple of JUCO colleges before arriving at Cal
Final Word
Got by on size advantage at a low level. Won't happen in the pros. Best shot is to get into a camp as a UFA.
Games Watched
at Lock Haven, vs Slippery Rock

Chidi29
03-06-2011, 11:40 AM
OFFENSIVE GUARD

1.Rodney Hudson/Florida St (x4)
2.Ben Ijalana/Villanova (x3)

3.Mike Pouncey/Florida (x2)
4.Marcus Cannon/TCU (x2)
5.Will Rackley/Lehigh

6.Zach Hurd/UConn (x2)
7.John Moffitt/Wisconsin*
8.Clint Boling/Georgia (x2)
9.Orlando Franklin/Miami (FL) (x3)
10.Stephen Schilling/Michigan (x2)

11.Jamal Lewis/Hampton
12.James Carpenter/Alabama
13.Darryl Hicks/Deleware St (x2)
14.Caleb Schlauderaff/Utah*
15.Carl Johnson/Florida*
16.Colin Madison/Temple

17.Curt Porter/Jacksonville St (x4)
18.Greg Bulls/UAB
19.Pat Illig/Wofford (x2)
20.John Rubertone/Elon

*No notes

1. Rodney Hudson/Florida St - 6'2 299
The Good
- One of the most athletic lineman in the draft
- Elite job of getting to and engaging at second level
- Very active feet, always moving
- Able to recover and redistibute weight if thrown off balanced
- Great job when asked to pull
- Excellent hand placement
- Can hit a moving target
- Committs very few penalties
- Ulta-experienced
- Numerous awards won
The Bad
- Undersized
- Short arms (32 1/2 inches)
- Because of size, not a lot of upper body strength
- Not going to be considered a mauler
- Loses leverage from time to time though not a major issue
- A bit position limited
Other
- Four year starter
- Majority of time came at left guard with a little action at left tackle
- Didn't committ first penalty until over 1000 snaps into career
- Only 17 missed assignments in first three years
- Picked as 1st team All-ACC in two of first three years, second team freshman year
Final Word
If he was two inches taller and fifteen pounds heavier, he'd be the top guard prospect in years. Aside from his size, there is very little to dislike. His best fit will come in a zone-blocking scheme.
Games Watched
at Oklahoma, at Miami (FL), vs Boston College, vs Florida

2. Ben Ijalana/Villanova - 6'4 320
The Good
- Above average size, looks the way he is listed
- Top-notch upper body strength
- Monster in the run game
- Great hand placement
- Drives with his legs
- Ability to stick on contact
- Good awareness
- Crazy amount of starting experience
The Bad
- Really sloppy kickslide, will force him inside
- Leads to getting beat around the edge
- Issues in engaging at the second level
- Position limited
- Lower level of competition
- Questions about his motor/interest level the first time I watched him
Other
- 52 career starts
- All at left tackle
- Two time 1st team All-CAA
Final Word
Mammoth in the run game but could take time to develop. Will have to change positions and doesn't have experience playing anywhere but left tackle. Could be a fast riser in the draft.
Games Watched
at Stephen F. Austin, at Appalchian St, at Eastern Washington

3. Mike Pouncey/Florida - 6'5 303
The Good
- Really good size
- Very athletic, asset on pull plays
- Gets arms extended in the run game
- Great job in pass protection, very active feet and ability to mirror
- Ability to cut block
- Versatile
- Good school
- Quality bloodlines
The Bad
- Tends to lunge in the run game
- Has trouble engaging at the second level
- On the ground more than you'd like (excluding cut blocks)
- Trouble getting off consistent snaps, likely won't play center
- Overrated based on name value?
Other
- 32 career starts
- Made four starts freshman year along the DL due to injuries
- Ample starting experience at RG, LG, and C
- Twin brother is Maurkice Pouncey, starting center for the Pittsburgh Steelers
Final Word
A good player in his own right but may be a bit overrated because of his last name.
Games Watched
at Florida St, vs Penn St (bowl)


4. Marcus Cannon/TCU - 6'5 358
The Good
- Tremendous size and carries his weight very well
- Engulfes lineman in run blocking
- Good leg drive
- Gets correct leverage in running game
- Fairly athletic for his size
- Quality starting experience
- Versatile
- A strong work ethic
The Bad
- Has trouble sticking to defender in pass protection
- Can be made to look silly at times in pass blocking
- Penalized more than you'd like
Other
- 37 starts, moved to left tackle senior year
- Has starting experience at both tackle spots
Final Word
Prospect with a good amount of upside who isn't agile enough to stay at left tackle, but isn't slow enought to have to kick inside to guard.
Games Watched
at SMU, vs Wisconsin (bowl)

5. Will Rackley/Lehigh - 6'3 309
The Good
- Really good hand placement
- Drives with his lower half
- Good run blocking, opens up running lanes
- Does a good job of getting to the second level
- Mirrors well in pass protection
- Good awareness
- Quality starting experience
The Bad
- Smaller frame
- Only average arm length (33 inches)
- May have to kick inside to guard
- Lower competition level
Other
- Over 40 career starts
- Benches 440 pounds
Final Word
Might not pass the eye test but looks really good on the playing field. One of the top small-school prospects in the country.
Games Watched
at Lafayette, East/West Shrine Game (limited)

6. Zach Hurd/UConn - 6'7 316
The Good
- Massive size
- Uses his frame to his advantage in the run game
- A surprising burst off the snap
- Asset on trap blocks
- Lots of starting experience
- Versatile
The Bad
- Feet are inconsistent
- Tendency to lunge in running game
- Gets by on his size and brute strength at times
- Hand placemeant is too low
- Waist-bender
Other
- Over 30 starts
- Spent junior year starting at left guard, started at RG two other years
Final Word
Like him more than the scouting report may indicate. Definitely some technique issues, but a nice low risk/high reward pick. Reminds me of Chris Kemoeatu.
Games Watched
at Rutgers, vs Pittsburgh

7. Clint Boling/Georgia - 6'5 308
The Good
- Good frame
- Strong run blocker
- Gets arms extended and feet underneath him in run game
- Able to drive lineman off the ball
- Pretty good job of getting to the second level
- Extremely versatile
- Good school
The Bad
- Average arm length (33 inches)
- Average, at best, off the snap
- Poor lateral agility
- Not a big athlete
- Limited upside
Other
- 49 career starts
- Extensive starting time at LT, RG, and RT
- Named to Georgia's Team of the Decade
Final Word
Is a little athletic but best fit will come working in a phone booth. If he doesn't cut it as a starter, he'll at least be a valuable swingman.
Games Watched
vs Arkansas, at Florida

8. Orlando Franklin/Miami (FL) - 6'6 316
The Good
- Insane size, bigger than most
- Force in the run game, it's game over when he locks on
- Pretty good job of mirroring
- Can show a good burst off the snap
- Versatile
- Lots of starting experience
The Bad
- Has trouble sticking on contact
- Not a lot of lateral agility
- Tends to bend his waist
- Not always able to seal the edge
- Feet sometimes quit
Other
- 39 starts
- 25 at left guard and 14 at left tackle
- Voted into school's Hall of Fame with Unsung Hero Award
Final Word
Impressive physical speciman who is more athletic than your typical lineman built like a house, but will have to play at guard in the NFL. If he can become more consistent, he'll have a shot.
Games Watched
at Pittsburgh, vs Florida, at Virginia

9. Stephen Schilling/Michigan 6'4 308
The Good
- Very technically sound, plays with a solid foundation
- Able to get to the second level and engage
- Decent run blocker
- Versatile
- Good school
- No glaring flaws in his game
- Great amount of starting experience
- Durable
The Bad
- Vulnerable to getting beat to the inside in pass protection
- Has short arms (Under 33 inches)
- Not a mauler
- Not overly athletic
- Lacks elite quality
Other
- 49 career starts
- Two year starter at RT and LG
- Only missed one game due to injury
Final Word
Versatility will give him value in the later rounds but doesn't do anything special to warrant a high selection.
Games Watched
at Michigan St, at Penn St

10. Jamal Lewis/Hampton - 6'4 305
The Good
- Good size
- Mauler in the run game
- Is successful when asked to down block
- Lots of starting experience
The Bad
- Only average athletic ability
- Lower level of competiton
- Reason for transferring?
- Position limited
Other
- Four year starter, although started just six games Junior year
- All starts at LG
- Three year starter at Middle Tennessee St before transferring to Hampton for senior year
- Not sure why he transferred, no reason found
Final Word
Only got a limited watch of him but, it was an impressive performance. Late round flier at best but someone to keep an eye on.
Games Watched
at Delaware St

11. James Carpenter/Alabama - 6'5 321
The Good
- Good size, looks bigger than listed
- Long arms and big hands (34 and 10 inches respectively)
- Gets good leverage in run game
- Quality run blocker
- Better off the snap than you'd expect
- Great school, faced top competiton
The Bad
- Might not have a defining quality
- Doesn't keep feet moving in pass protection
- Problems with edge rushers
- Won't be able to play at left tackle, his college position, in the pros
- Not a ton of starting experience
Other
- Just a two year starter
- All starts came at left tackle
- Spent two years at JUCO
Final Word
A big body from a good school but need to change position coupled with lack of versatility will hurt him. It should be noted that I didn't get a good look at Carpenter and only watched him in limited fashion.
Games Watched
at Penn St (half), Senior Bowl (limited)

12. Darryl Hicks/Delaware St - 6'4 310
The Good
- Athletic, moves well laterally
- Good run blocker, can create running lanes
- Can work in space
- Good cut blocker
- Gets correct hand placement
- Plays with a solid foundation
- Held own against better competition
The Bad
- Doesn't look big, leaner build
- Not a lot of starting experience
- Obviously a smaller school, FCS competition
- Getting very little exposure
Other
- Two year starter at right guard
- Had success against Kenrick Ellis of Hampton
Final Word
Underrated player who isn't anywhere on draft boards. Will hopefully get a look in a training camp.
Games Watched
vs Southern, vs Hampton

13. Colin Madison/Temple - 6'4 323
The Good
- Moves well for his size
- Mirrors well
- Absorbs bull rush well
- Upside
- Versatile
- Good starting experience
The Bad
- Feet can go dead
- Too aggressive in pass protection, lunges at defender
- Can get beaten badly around the edge
Other
- Got starts in three years
- Experience at right and left guard
Final Word
He has some upside and talent but it's nothing overwhelming.
Games Watched
vs Penn St

14. Curt Porter/Jacksonville St - 6'7 308
The Good
- Interesting frame that can definitely add weight
- Long arms (34 inches)
- Solid run blocker when he locks on
- Good hustle, doesn't quit on plays
- Mean streak, finishes blocks
- Very versatile
The Bad
- Inconsistent foundation, will bend his waist way too much
- Can be too eager to seal edge leading him to being vulnerable to the inside
- Not a lot of lateral movement, will have to play inside
- Has some issues with leverage because of height
- Tends to grab, hand placement is too far to the outside
- Lower level of competition
Other
- Three year starter
- Majority of starts have come at left tackle
- Moved around a lot senior season, recording starts at LG and RT
- Added 18 pounds from listed weight on biography to weigh in at NFLPA game
Final Word
Nothing in his game makes him look like an NFL-starter. Best bet is to become a swingman. Will have to work in a power scheme.
Games Watched
at Ole Miss, at Eastern Kentucky, at Tennessee Tech, vs Wofford

15. Greg Bulls/UAB - 6'4 300
The Good
- A solid run blocker
- Good job of getting his feet under him in the run game
- Solid upper body strength, creates running lanes
- Athletic enough to get to the second level
- Good starting experience
- Some versatility
The Bad
- Isn't physically imposing, average frame
- Major struggles in pass protection
- Doesn't move well laterally, prone to getting beat
Other
- Over 30 starts
- Transferred from Blinn College, the same JUCO Cam Newton went to
- Has starting experience at both guard spots
Final Word
Didn't watch a lot of him and while he is a decent run blocker, his pass protection is a major liability.
Games Watched
at UCF

16. Pat Illig/Wofford - 6'5 320
The Good
- Nice frame and a solid build, looks the part
- Good upper body strength
- Able to show some flashes when working in a phone booth
- Good amount of starting experience
The Bad
- Horrible waist bender
- Poor burst off the line
- Lunges in the run game, doesn't drive with lower body
- Not very stout at the point of attack, issue with getting correct leverage
- Trouble sticking on contact
- Not successful in space
- Unable to pull with any degree of success
- Not impressive in either showing I watched
- Position limited
- Lower level of competition
Other
- 30+ career starts
- All coming at left guard
Final Word
Considered to be a small-school sleeper by some based on measurables, but I don't see much to like about him. A big body that can't do much with it.
Games Watched
at Jacksonville St, vs Georgia Southern

17. John Rubertone/Elon - 6'3 301
The Good
- Technically sound
- Keeps feet moving
- Correct leverage
- Versatile
- Good starting experience
The Bad
- Stocky build
- Short arms
- Not athletic
- Lower level of competition
- Injury concerns
Other
- 37 career starts
- Played both guard spots
- Injuries cost him to miss a combined nine games in 2007 and 2009
Final Word
No dominant quality and no upside. No NFL future.
Games Watched
at Duke

Chidi29
03-06-2011, 11:41 AM
CENTER

1.Stefen Wisniewski/Penn St (x3)
2.Tim Barnes/Missouri*
3.Kristofer O'Dowd/USC (x2)
4.Jake Kirkpatrick/TCU*

5.Ben Lamaak/C Iowa St*
6.Brandon Fusco/Slippery Rock
7.Zane Taylor/Utah*
8.Sampson Genus/C South Florida*
9.Howard Barbieri/Rutgers (x2)
10.Buck Ferber/Lock Haven

*No notes

1. Stefen Wisniewski/Penn St - 6'3 313
The Good
- Above average run blocker
- Very smart, good awareness
- Feet are always moving
- Technically sound
- Good bloodlines
- Good school
- Versatile
The Bad
- Tends to play too high in pass protection
- Not going to be considered a mauler in the run game
- Might not have quality that separates him from the rest
Other
- Three year starter
- Receivied starting time at guard and center
- Father, uncle played in the NFL
Final Word
Definitely as solid and sound as they come. Might not wow you but will be dependable.
Games Watched
vs Youngstown St, vs Kent St, vs Temple


2. Kristofer O'Dowd/USC 6'4 304
The Good
- Above average run blocker
- Gets proper leverage and can drive lineman off the ball
- Gets feet underneath him in run game
- Plays with a solid base
- Quick burst off the line
The Bad
- Short arms (just over 32 inches)
- Lots of struggles in space
- Can't engage at the second level
- Might lack a mean streak
- Long list of injuries
- Position limited
- Past lineman from school haven't panned out
Other
- Starts in all four seasons
- All coming at center
- Missed four games freshman year with dislocated right kneecap
- Had knee surgery before sophomore year
- Had surgery on torn left labrum after sophomore year though did not miss any games
- Missed spring of '09 while recovering from shoulder surgery
- Dislocated right kneecap again in Junior year, missing time
- Also dealt with a sore shoulder
Final Word
Talent is there but the injury list is longer than the scouting report. He's injured reserve waiting to happen
Games Watched
at Arizona (half), vs Washington

3. Brandon Fusco/Slippery Rock - 6'4 306
The Good
- Bigger player than normal
- Decent arm length (33 1/2 inches)
- Keeps feet moving in both phases
- Won numerous awards
- Extremely productive career
- Tons of starting experience
The Bad
- Not that much of an athlete
- Inconsistent at the second level
- Only gets an average push in the run game
- Low level of competiton
Other
- Four year starter
- Two-tme captain
- Three-time 1st team PSAC
- Won Lineman of the Year Award senior year, given to best lineman in D2
- First player from school to attend Senior Bowl
- Caught one pass in career, going for 9 yards
Final Word
Popular small-school lineman and while I did only watch one game, I didn't see anything that impressive.
Games Watched
at Cal (PA)

4. Howard Barberi/Rutgers 6'5 304
The Good
- Good build
- Decent run blocker
- Is stout at the point of attack
- Mean streak, finishes plays
- Versatile
The Bad
- Pass protection is poor
- Feet don't always move
- Too grabby in pass protection
- Waist-bender
- Doesn't stick on contact in run game all the time
- Some issues with getting off consistent snaps
Other
- Two year starter
- Time at center and guard
- Can play anywhere on the interior
Final Word
Caught my eye the first time I watched him but was much less impressive in his second outing. Late round player at best.
Games Watched
vs UConn, at West Virginia

5. Buck Ferber/Lock Haven - 6'3 310
The Good
- Pretty good size
- Versatile
- Nickname is "Buck"
The Bad
- Has short arms
- Poor upper body strength
- Doesn't win the leverage battle
- Not athletic
- Abused in only game I watched
Other
- Originally started college career as a DL before moving to the OL
- Two year starter at C
- Real name is "Von"
Final Word
Brings absolutely nothing to the table.
Games Watched
vs Cal (PA)

Chidi29
03-06-2011, 11:41 AM
DEFENSIVE TACKLE

1.Nick Fairley/Auburn
2.Stephen Paea/Oregon St (x3)
3.Corey Liguet/Illinois*

4.Kendrick Ellis/Hampton (x3)
5.Drake Nevis/LSU (x3)
6.Phil Taylor/Baylor (x4)
7.Muhammad Wilkerson/Temple*

8.Jurrell Casey/USC*
9.Christian Ballard/Iowa
10.Sione Fua/Stanford (x2)
11.Jarvis Jenkins/Clemson*
12.Jerrell Powe/Ole Miss (x2)

13.Martin Parker/Richmond*
14.Anthony Gray/Southern Mississippi (x2)
15.Chris Neild/West Virginia (x2)
16.Kelly Griffin/TCU

17.Andre Carroll/Delaware St (x2)
18.Ollie Ogbu/Penn St
19.Mason Hitt/La Tech
20.John Graves/Virginia Tech

*No notes

1. Nick Fairley/Auburn - 6'3 291
The Good
- Elite first step
- Very quick hands
- Able to shed blocks
- Dominates one-on-one battles
- Finishes plays, violent tackler
- Clutch, steps up in big games
The Bad
- Plays out of control
- Committs dumb penalties
- Has been considered a "dirty" player
- Only one year of production
- Not a lot of experience

- Only one year of full-time starting experience
- Monster performance in championship game - 3 TFL, 1 sack
- Spent two years at JUCO before joining Auburn
Final Word
Complete unknown heading into the year and is probably still raw but that also means there's a lot of potential that hasn't been reached. A scary thought considering how dominant he was in 2010.
Games Watched
vs Oregon (bowl)

2. Stephen Paea/Oregon St - 6'1 303
The Good
- Perhaps the strongest player at his position
- Forces teams to double and triple team him
- Able to collapse the pocket
- Quick first step
- Athletic, moves fluidly
- Fights off cut blocks
- Productive
The Bad
- Technique needs refined
- Doesn't use his hands as well as he could
- Can get turned at times, doesn't always stay square
- Needs to work on consistently getting arms extended
- Can be a little slow to react off the snap
- Injury concerns
Other
- 30 career TFL, 14 sacks
- Two interceptions in senior year
- Two time co-captain
- Has done 49 bench press reps (225) and a 650 pound squat
- Dealt with knee injury late in 2008
- Tore meniscus in practice for Senior Bowl
Final Word
A supremely strong and talented tackle who will only get better with a little bit of coaching.
Games Watched
at Washington, vs USC (half), vs Oregon

3. Kenrick Ellis/Hampton - 6'5 346
The Good
- Massive size
- Long arms (Almost 35 inches)
- Routinely commands double teams
- Able to shed blocks with ease
- Top notch motor, never quits on a play
- Can get penetration, blow up the backfield
- Dominates one-on-one battles
- Good awareness
- Good starting experience
- Very productive
The Bad
- Leverage improved but still needs work on technique
- Will play too high at times and get blown out
- Taller than your average NT
- Character concerns early in college
- Lower level of competition
Other
- Three year starter
- Originally played with South Carolina for one year
- Dismissed after violating school policies
- Had 15 TFL his junior year at Hampton
Final Word
Will need some coaching and has to keep his head on straight but a high upside player.
Games Watched
at Delaware St, at South Carolina St, vs Bethune-Cookman (half)

4. Drake Nevis/LSU - 6'1 294
The Good
- Superb use of his hands
- Ability to disengage from lineman
- Fires off the snap really well
- Able to fight off cut blocks
- Strong repitore of pass rushing moves
- Good school, faced top competition
- Versatile
The Bad
- Very undersized
- Looks to have short arms (31 1/2 inches)
- Problems against the run
- Lacks upper body strength, gets pushed around
- Questionable awareness
Other
- Didn't become a true starter until senior year but got a lot of playing time in other seasons
- Can squat 535 and bench 475 pounds
- Played NT in 4-3
- Also lined up over center in sub-package situations (usually three down lineman)
Final Word
Another strong one gap shooter who will fit in a Tampa 2 scheme.
Games Watched
at Auburn, at Arkansas (half), at Texas A&M (bowl)

5. Phil Taylor/Baylor - 6'3 334
The Good
- Prototypical size for a nose tackle
- Solid upper body strength
- Better first step than you'd expect
- Gets correct leverage
- Shows ability to shed blocks and fill gaps
- Asset against the run
- Top notch motor, doesn't quit
- Strong showing against pro style, run heavy offense
- Played at the zero technique
- Strong senior year
The Bad
- Needs refinement
- Has to learn to collapse when getting pushed out by a double team
- Isn't quite as strong as you'd hope
- Won't offer a whole lot as a pass rusher
- Character concerns
Other
- Began college career at Penn St
- Suspended from team, transferred to Baylor
- 21 starts in two years with Baylor
- 62 tackles, 7 for a loss senior year
- Had an excellent game against Illinois, a run heavy pro style team, in Baylor's bowl game
- Played the nose in team's 3-4
Final Word
Mixed opinions on him but his skillset and experience playing in a 3-4 are definitely interesting. Will be valuable come draft day.
Games Watched
at Texas Tech, at Oklahoma St, vs Oklahoma, vs Illinois (bowl)

6. Christian Ballard/Iowa - 6'4 283
The Good
- Excellent closing speed
- Solid pass rusher
- Repitore of moves, including an effective swim
- Excellent starting expeience
- Versatile
The Bad
- Lean looking build
- Can get pushed around against the run
- Not always able to shed blocks
- Questionable motor
- Will take plays off that aren't coming towards him
- First step is hot and cold
- Played with a really good supporting cast
Other
- 39 career starts
- Extensive time at DT and DE
- Played with prospects Adrian Clayborn and Karl Klug
Final Word
Not going to be a top pass rusher in the NFL and isn't consistent versus the run. May not have a position in the pros.
Games Watched
at Northwestern

7. Sione Fua/Stanford - 6'2 308
The Good
- Posses above average upper body strength
- Will get some double teams
- Gets arms extended
- Ability to collapse pocket
- Flashes a quick first step and good hands
- Good amount of starting experience
- Good school
- High character
The Bad
- Might not have zero technique strength
- Not going to offer a ton as a pass rusher
- Wears down as the game goes on
- Not overly productive (partially due to position)
Other
- About 30 career starts
- Receivied extensive playing time in three seasons
- NT in 3-4 and 4-3
- Did not play in 2007 while attending church mission
Final Word
No standout part of his game but could definitely find a home as a 3-4 DE.
Games Watched
vs Arizona (half), at Virginia Tech (bowl - half)

8. Jerrell Powe/Ole Miss - 6'2 335
The Good
- Excellent size
- Forces a lot of double teams and chips
- Gets proper leverage
- Able to create penetration
- Good motor
- A bit better first step than the typical plugger
- Played against top competition
[bThe Bad
- Maybe not as strong as you'd think/hope
- Not going to offer a ton as a pass rusher
- Intelligence concerns
- Somewhat limited starting experience
Other
- 22 career starts
- Two year starter
- 20 TFL, 6 sacks in those two years
- Lots of difficulty in getting to playing for Ole Miss
- Took three years from high school to get enough credits to be NCAA elgible
- Spent a year at JUCO
- Will be a 24 year old rookie
Final Word
Will be a 3-4 NT. Has the ability physically to excel but the mental side, namely intelligence, could be an obstacle.
Games Watched
vs Jacksonville St, at Alabama

9. Anthony Gray/Southern Mississippi - 6'0 317
The Good
- Long arms
- Gets penetration in the run game
- Strong, tough to move
- Commands some double teams
- Good motor
- Good awareness, gets his hands up
- A little experience in zone blitzes, dropping into coverage
- Pretty good amount of starting experience
The Bad
- Very short
- Trouble shedding blocks consistently
- Inconsistent first step
- Useless when slow off the snap
- Minor injury concerns
Other
- 29 starts
- Three year starter
- Foot injury cost him seven games redshirt freshman year
Final Word
Underrated run stuffer who offers good value.
Games Watched
at La Tech, at Louisville (bowl)

10. Chris Neild/West Virginia - 6'2 319
The Good
- Good frame, body of a nose tackle
- Crazy amount of raw upper body strength
- Able to hold point on that strength alone
- Ability to shed blocks
- Quick hands
- A better pass rusher than you'd expect
- A little experience dropping into coverage, zone blitz schemes
- Good conditioning
- Ultra-experienced
- Experience at zero technique
The Bad
- Extremely technically unsound
- Feet are inconsistent
- Doesn't drive with his lower body
- On the ground way too much
- Doesn't stay square to the ball
- Short arms (32 inches)
Other
- Over 35 career starts
- Played zero technique in team's 3-4
- Received starts at points in all four years
Final Word
Extremely experienced player with a great deal of talent but needs a lot of coaching in order to have success at the next level.
Games Watched
at Pittsburgh, at NC State (bowl)

11. Kelly Griffin/TCU - 6'1 310
The Good
- Solid size
- Wins a lot of one-on-one battles
- Good endurance, plays majority of snaps
- High amount of starting experience
The Bad
- Plays a little too finesse
- Technique issues
- Leads with shoulder too often, doesn't stay square
- Injury concerns
Other
- About 30 career starts
- Started all 13 games freshman year
- Fractured ankle cost him most of senior season
Final Word
Would be getting more buzz had injury not cut his senior year short. Could stick as a NT in a 3-4. Good value.
Games Watched
at SMU

12. Andre Caroll/Delaware St - 6'2 280
The Good
- Quality first step
- Athletic
- Can command double teams
- Good awareness
- Productive
The Bad
- Undersized
- Weak versus the run
- Doesn't collapse when getting pushed away against the run
- Has problems shedding blocks
- Tires easily
- Lower level of competition
Other
- Three seasons as a starter
- 29 career starts
- 96 tackles, 13.5 TFL in senior season
Final Word
Late round prospect but has an interesting skillset for a one gap, Tampa 2 scheme.
Games Watched
vs Southern, vs Hampton

13. Ollie Ogbu/Penn St - 6'0 298
The Good
- Uses short height to gain leverage
- Able to collapse pocket
- Good school
- Lots of experience
The Bad
- Extremely short and undersized
- Has short arms (31 1/2 inches)
- Doesn't offer much as a pass rusher
- Never built on early success
Other
- Barely six foot
- 37 career starts
- Never had as many TFL as he did in redshirt freshman year (10)
Final Word
Even with some tools, the measurables are tough to ignore. It'll be difficult for teams to be willing to take a chance on him. Late round pick or free agent seems likely.
Games Watched
at Iowa

14. Mason Hitt/La Tech - 6'1 285
The Good
- Technically sound
- Will collapse when double-teamed
- Good awareness
The Bad
- Undersized
- Limited repitore
- Average first step
- No dominant quality, average all around
- Only average production
Other
- Three year starter
- Under 10 sacks in career
- Did have a slightly more productive senior year
- 10.5 TFL, 4 sacks
Final Word
Nothing terrible in his game but doesnt bring anything special.
Games Watched
vs Southern Mississippi, vs Idaho (limited)

15. John Graves/Virginia Tech - 6'3 286
The Good
- Good first step
- Stout at the point of attack for a player of his size
- Very experienced
- Leader
The Bad
- Undersized
- Lack of pass rushing moves
- Lack of production
Other
- 36 career starts
- Just 13.5 TFL, 2.5 sacks in career
- Had three straight games with a blocked kick in 2008
Final Word
Too small and doesn't offer enough as a pass rusher to make an impact at the next level. A long shot.
Games Watched
vs Boise St

Chidi29
03-06-2011, 11:42 AM
DEFENSIVE ENDS

1.Marcell Dareus/Alabama (x2)
2.Da'Quan Bowers/Clemson (x2)
3.Robert Quinn/North Carolina*

4.Cameron Jordan/California (x2)
5.JJ Watt/Wisconsin*
6.Adrian Clayborne/Iowa (x2)
7.Cameron Heyward/Ohio St (x2)

8.Ugo Chinesa/Oklahoma St (x2)
9.Aldon Smith/Missouri
10.Ryan Kerrigan/Purdue*
11.Allen Bailey/Miami (FL) (x2)

12.Jabaal Sheard/Pittsburgh*
13.Dontay Moch/Nevada (x4)
14.Brooks Reed/Arizona*
15.Sam Acho/Texas*

16.Lucas Patterson/Texas A&M
17.Marc Schiechl/Colorado Mines
18.Travis Ford-Bey/West Chester (x2)
19.Ryan Winterswyk/Bosie St (x2)
20.Brandon Ward/Elon

*No notes

1. Marcell Dareus/Alabama - 6'3 319
The Good
- Prototypical size for 3-4 end
- Carries his weight well
- An ox, extremely strong
- Plays with correct leverage
- Very active hands
- Elite job of shedding blocks and disengaging
- Solid pass rusher for his size
- Flashes a good first step
- Good closing speed
- Motor that doesn't quit
- Excellent awareness, gets hands up and watches for reverses
- One of the most versatile lineman in the draft
- Tough, plays through pain
- Experience in a 3-4
- Also has experience on stunts

- Needs to consistently fire off the snap
- Misses more tackles than you'd like
- Not a lot of starting experience
- May still have a good deal of learning to do
- Not an overly productive career
[b]Other
- Only 17 career starts
- 20 TFL, 11 sacks in three year career
- Had interception returned for touchdown right before halftime in championship game against Texas in 2009

Extremely talented player who has a well-rounded, dominant game. One of the best defensive lineman in a very deep, competitive class.
[b]Games Watched
at Arkansas, at LSU, at Michigan St (bowl)

2. DaQuan Bowers/Clemson - 6'3 289
The Good
- Prototypical size
- Long arms and large hands
- Can be a flat out playmaker
- Quick twitch athlete
- One of the best against the run
- Elite ability to shed blocks
- Gets proper leverage
- Able to stay off the ground, fights off cut blocks well
- Hard hitter, solid tackler
- Great awareness, keeps contain for reverses and gets hands up to bat down passes
- Has some experience rushing with hand up and dropping into coverage
- Ultra-productive senior year
- High character
- Young, room to grow
The Bad
- Only an average first step
- Not an elite pass rusher despite numbers
- Doesn't offer a strong repitore
- Usually relies on the bull rush
- Struggles against tougher competition (ie Anthony Castonzo)
- Position limited
Other
- 25 TFL, 15.5 sacks senior year
- Had more sacks than 23 FBS teams
- Played primarily at LE
- Just turned 21
- Running back in high school, over 1200 rushing yards senior season
Final Word
Extremely likeable prospect with plenty to offer.. But he isn't an elite pass rusher, something you look for in drafting a DE in the first few picks.
Games Watched
at Boston College, vs USF (bowl)

3. Cameron Jordan/California - 6'4 287
The Good
- Excellent size
- Long arms (35 inches)
- Understands leverage
- Strong against the run, clogs running lanes
- Wide variety of pass rushing moves - spin, swin inside/outside
- Able to dip his shoulder coming off the edge
- Uses his hands well, very active in pass and run
- A solid tackler
- Good hustle
- Versatile, could play in multiple fronts
- Quality amount of starting experience
- Success against top competition
- Good bloodlines
- Durable
The Bad
- Needs to work on consistency
- Feet, ability to shed blocks are sometimes lacking
- Not overly explosive, probably won't be a dynamic pass rusher
- Finds himself on the ground more than you'd like
Other
- 32 career starts
- Missed only one game in college career
- Primary LE
- Has played shaded over guard and center
- Also time at NT in sub-packages
- Recorded five tackles, 2 TFL, and a sack against Nate Solder and Colorado in 2010
- Father, Steve, was a 6 time Pro Bowler for the Vikings as a TE
Final Word
Very likeable prospect. Hardly any flaws in his game.
Games Watched
at Nevada (half), vs Stanford

4. Adrian Clayborn/Iowa - 6'3 281
The Good
- Excellent size
- Variety of pass rushing moves
- Outside/inside swim, rip, bull rush
- Great job in changing directions
- Above average first step
- Top notch upper body strength
- Asset against the run
- Uses his hands well
- Made teammates better
- Lots of starting time
The Bad
- Wears down as the game goes on
- Not elite off the edge
- Regressed statistically senior season
- Position limited
- Medical concerns, big red flags
Other
- 30 career starts
- Double and tripled teamed at times in senior year
- Partially led to decrease in numbers (7 TFL, 3.5 sacks)
- Majority of time at DE
- Suffers from Erb's Palsy, nerve condition in the shoulder
- Right arm is shorter than his left
Final Word
Medical issues could be a big red flag. May not be an ideal RE in a 4-3 from a pass rushing standpoint. Could be limited to RE in the NFL due to medical condition. Best fit may come in a 3-4.
Games Watched
vs Penn St, vs Ohio St

5. Cameron Heyward/Ohio St - 6'5 294
The Good
- Excellent size
- Fantastic upper body strength
- Stout at the point of attack
- Good bull rush
- Able to shed blocks
- Asset against the run
- Clutch
- Good motor and hustle
- Experience stunting
- Good amount of starting experience
- Solid bloodlines
The Bad
- Not a strong pass rusher
- Doesn't offer much of a repitore
- Position limited
- Injury concerns
Other
- Becaome starter as a true freshmen
- Mainly played at RE, sometimes kicked inside
- Had a sack late against Iowa to seal the win
- Father "Ironhead" was a running back in the NFL
- Recovering from Tommy John surgery
Final Word
A prototypical five technique prospect. Is solid albeit not spectacular.
Games Watched
at Wisconsin, at Iowa

6. Ugo Chinasa/Oklahoma St - 6'5 264
The Good
- Solid first step
- Long arms and big hands (36 and 10 inches respectively)
- Variety of pass rushing moves: spin, swim, rip
- Uses his hands well, able to disengage from OL
- Dips his shoulder coming off the edge
- Versatile
- Played a little DT in passing situations
- Lots of experience rushing with his hand up
- Experience dropping into coverage
- Lots of experience
The Bad
- Doesn't have a lot of bulk, bit lanky
- Played in a pretty heavy rotation
- Not an asset versus the run
- Bit of a tweener
Other
- 39 career starts
- Regressed a bit from junior to senior season
- Could be too small to play DE, too tall to play rush linebackers
Final Word
Underrated pass rusher who may very well end up having a better pro career than college.
Games Watched
vs Texas A&M, at Arizona (bowl)

7. Aldon Smith/Missouri - 6'4 263
The Good
- Long arms (35 3/8 inches)
- Quick, consistent first step
- Very active hands
- Ability to shed blocks
- Great closing speed
- Hard hitter, solid tackler
The Bad
- Has a lean build, not a lot of bulk
- Gets pushed around versus the run
- Can get too upright when coming off the edge
- Inconsistent, disappears at times
- Didn't play full amount of snaps, conditioning?
- Needs to work on developing a repitore of rushing moves
Other
- Only played two years at Missouri
- Primarily played at RE
- Play fell off a bit in 2010 (10 TFL, 5.5 sacks)
- Came out as a redshirt sophomore
Final Word
Really like his first step and has a lot of room to grow but he's clearly very raw and at best, will start his career as a situational pass rusher (a la Jerry Hughes).
Games Watched
vs Kansas St

8. Allen Bailey/Miami (FL) - 6'3 285
The Good
- Great size
- Long arms and big hands (34 and 10 1/4 inches respectively)
- Extremely built, very cut
- Quite the athlete for his size
- Can play dominantly at times
- Able to use his hands well at moments
- Very productive
- Pretty good starting experience
- A little versatility
The Bad
- Slow reaction off the snap
- Run defense is surprisngly inconsistent
- Can get swallowed up and stop moving his feet
- Difficulty in shedding blocks
- Not a variety of pass rushing moves
Other
- 27 career starts
- Starts increased each year (4, 10, 13)
- 22.5 TFL, 14.5 sacks past two years
- Gotten time at DT on passing downs
Final Word
Better athlete than a football player. Will get drafted based on measurables more than anything else.
Games Watched
at Virginia, vs Notre Dame (bowl)

9. Dontay Moch/Nevada - 6'1 248
The Good
- Extremely athletic
- As explosive of a first step as you're going to see
- Elite speed
- Great change of direction
- Upper body strength is underrated, is able to bull rush
- Plays with good leverage, likely partially due to short height
- Has shown ability to dip around the edge
- Hard-hitter
- Used in a lot of different schemes (i.e. stunts)
- Lots of experience dropping into coverage
- Fluid hips
- Insane measurables
- Ultra-productive
The Bad
- Very inconsistent against the run
- Will get swallowed up when lineman are able to lock on
- Doesn't use his hands very well
- Limited repitore of moves - spin and speed rush
- Undersized, tweener?
- Struggles against top flight competiiton
Other
- 27 career starts
- Insane stats, 57 TFL, 28.5 sacks
- Three time 1st team WAC
- Began career at LB before switching to DE
- Didn't have success against Anthony Castonzo in bowl game during limited snaps he got at RE
- Moved all around: dropped into coverage, stunted through the middle
FInal Word
Measurables are off the charts, but he is far from a finished product. Needs to add more to his pass rushing repitore and is inconsistent against the run. Is shorter than the average OLB and is too small for DE. Will have to be a weakside rush linebacker.
Games Watched
at Hawaii (half), at Fresno St, vs Bosie St, vs Boston College (bowl)

10. Lucas Patterson/Texas A&M - 6'4 290
The Good
- Good size
- Has a solid bull rush
- Gets good leverage
- Hand placement looked correct
- Experience in a 3-4
- Very experienced
The Bad
- Has short arms (Under 31 inches)
- Not a pass rusher
- Limited upside
- Average first step
- Not overly productive
Other
- 38 career starts
- Was going to move to OL in 2009 before remaining at DE
Final Word
Experience in a 3-4 is valuable. Won't get high and shouldn't but could carve out a niche at the next level.
Games Watched
at Oklahoma St

11. Marc Schiechi/Colorado Mines - 6'3 260
The Good
- Flashes a quick first step
- Gets correct leverage
- Good upper body strength
- Asset vs the run
- Had success against top opponents
- Extremely productive
- Very high amount of starting experience
The Bad
- Definite tweener, no true position
- Obviously a low level of competition (D2)
Other
- 37 career starts
- Three year starter in full-time role
- Three time RMAC Defensive Player of the Year
- Three-time 1st team All-RMAC
- Had at least 17 TFL in all but one year
- Hat at least double digit sacks in all but one year
- Final TFL and sack numbers: 69 TFL, 44.5 sacks
- Dominate in Cactus Bowl (D2 All-Star Game)
Final Word
Obviously one of the most successful D2 careers around, but the two negatives listed are major red flags. Does deserve to get into a camp and could be as high as a PFA.
Games Watched
Cactus Bowl

12. Travis Ford-Bey/West Chester - 6'0 252
The Good
- Good first step
- Very quick off the edge
- Ability to shed blocks
- Forces slower tackles to hold him
- Experience in a 3-4 and the run assignments that come with it
- Pretty good amount of starting experience
The Bad
- Extremely undersized for any position along the front seven
- Low level of competition, D2
- Wasn't overly productive
- Tweener
- Didn't see him drop into coverage
Other
- Has started at least 25 games
- 3-time first team All-PSAC selection
Final Word
Will have to make a giant leap but has the potential to be a diamond in the rough. Could find a niche as a situational pass rusher for a 3-4 team.
Games Watched
at East Stroudsburg (quarter), at Shippensburg

13. Ryan Winterswyk/Bosie St - 6'4 268
The Good
- Pretty good first step
- Solid upper body strength
- Shows a strong rip move
- Productive career as a whole
The Bad
- Tweener
- Is slow off the snap
- Limited repitore
- Regressed senior year
Other
- Had a great junior year, 17 TFL 9.5 sacks
- Only 9.5 TFL, 2.5 sacks senior year
- Named to WAC Team of the Decade
Final Word
Good college career but might not find a home at the next level. Reminds me of Paul Kruger.
Games Watched
at Virginia Tech, vs Utah (bowl)

14. Brandon Ward/Elon - 6'6 232
The Good
- Decent first step
- Better job of shedding blocks than expected
- Good repitore of rushing moves
- Has some experience dropping into coverage
The Bad
- Very lanky
- Not overly explosive
- Perhpas no dominant quality
- Lower level of competition
- Major, major character flags
Other
- Was suspended from team after being charged with two counts of assault
- Alleged to have backed into person with car, punched another person in the face
Final Word
A semi-productive player but his problems with the law will take away any relevance he had.
Games Watched
at Duke

Chidi29
03-06-2011, 11:43 AM
Little side note on the last piece of information I have. This is my "other" category. I didn't watch many players at positions like RB, WR, and CB. But I did catch a couple of guys. Wasn't worth creating a whole group to list two or three players so I just lumped them together.

OTHER

Allen Bradford/USC (RB) - 5'11 242
The Good
- Good build
- Runs low to the ground
- Powerful, downhill runner
- Keeps legs moving, strong lower body
- One-cut runner
- Can show a second gear
The Bad
- Doesn't have breakaway speed
- Had trouble separating self from other backs
- Little experience catching the ball
- History of hip injuries
- School has poor track record at RB
- Only a moderatly successful career
Other
- Began career at safety before moving to RB
- Lots of work on special teams
- Got time at FB early in career
- Had a severe hip injury in 2008, limiting him to three games
- Hip injury caused him to miss most of the 2007 spring
- Just 14 career catches
- Reggie Bush, LenDale White have had underwhelming to bad career
Final Word
Health will of course be the biggest factor but he has talent. Could be a steal if he stays healthy.
Games Watched
vs Washington

Jerrel Jernigan/Troy (WR) - 5'9 185
The Good
- Quick-twitch athlete
- Major threat after the catch, true YAC player
- Changes directions without losing speed
- Able to get separation underneath
- Versatile threat
The Bad
- Undersized
- Not as fast as timed speed
- Exclusive position at WR (slot)
- Didn't play a full amount of snaps
Other
- Extensive playing time in all four years
- 3100 receiving yards
- 900 rushing yards
- Became punt returner senior year
- 1500 career kick return yards
Final Word
Interesting yards after the catch receiver. Reminds me of Santonio Holmes.
Games Watched
vs Ohio (bowl)

Aldrick Robinson/SMU (WR) - 5'10 184
The Good
- Reliable hands, catches away from his body
- Gets separation
- Able to beat press coverage
- Above average speed
- Willing blocker
- Productive senior season
The Bad
- Lean build
- Not a well-rounded route runner
- Position limited ("X" receiver)
- Benefited from June Jones' spread
Other
- Ran mostly streaks and posts in college
- 1300 yards, 20 YPC, 14 TDs senior seasons
- 3300 yards, 30 TDs in career
Final Word
Good speed and production is there, but will take time to develop due to route running rawness.
Games Watched
vs Army (bowl)

Greg Salas/Hawaii (WR) - 6'1 210
The Good
- Good size
- Sure hands, catches passes cleanly
- Great body control
- Good acceleration
- Runs hard, refuses to go down
- YAC receiver
- Hard-worker
- Hustles, doesn't quit on the play
- High football IQ
- Extremely productive, even relative to system
The Bad
- Poor straight line speed
- Will have trouble getting consistent separation
- Played exclusively in the slot
- A spread offense
Other
- 225 receptions, 3479 yards, 22 TDs junior and senior seasons combined
- Hawaii all-time leading receiver in yards
- Receivers ran routes based on coverage
Final Word
Try-hard player but concerns about playing in the slot at that size in terms of getting separation.
Games Watched
vs Nevada, at Tulsa (bowl)

Johnny Patrick/Louisville (CB) - 5'11 190
The Good
- Fluid hips
- Physical corner that can press
- Hard-hitter
- Pretty good ball skills
- Clutch
- Lots of starting experience
The Bad
- Not elite speed
- Will miss some tackles
- Off the field issues
Other
- 3 1/2 year starter
- 8 career interceptions
- Misdemeanor assault July 2010
- Big performance in bowl game last season
Final Word
Underrated prospect who isn't getting much notice due to being in a top class. Could find success in any scheme.
Games Watched
at Cincinnatti, vs Southern Mississippi (bowl)

Justin Rogers/Richmond (CB) - 6'1 180
The Good
- Good size
- Fluid hips, turns without a hitch
- Able to locate the ball
- Quick twitch, good acceleration and change of direction
- Played in a variety of different assignments
- Return ability
- Multi-dimensional athlete
The Bad
- Doesn't play the run
- Not physical, unwilling to mix it up
- Unreliable tackler, goes too high
- Lower level of competition
Other
- 32 breakups, 13 INTs in career
- Played in man, zone, press, and off coverage
- Lots of experience returning kicks, became primary PR man senior year
- Played sparingly on offense in career. Has rushed, received, and passed
Final Word
Prospect with decent amount of upside but will have to play in a man scheme where he doesn't have to support the run a lot (i.e. Philly)
Games Watched
at Virginia

DBNYDP
03-06-2011, 05:00 PM
Very impressive.
There are some things I would change though like Dareus should probably be listed as a DT instead of a DE.
There are some things I disagree with but I can tell you put a lot of effort into it, and that it is your own opinion.
So major props for that.

Chidi29
03-06-2011, 05:34 PM
Very impressive.
There are some things I would change though like Dareus should probably be listed as a DT instead of a DE.
There are some things I disagree with but I can tell you put a lot of effort into it, and that it is your own opinion.
So major props for that.

Yeah you could move a couple guys around. I could have put Ballard with the 3-4 ends or Wisnewski in with the guards.

For what it's worth, I have Dareus going #1 to Carolina, obviously playing DT. But that's another discussion for another time.

Heisman
03-06-2011, 08:29 PM
Wow this is really sick.

But Nathan Enderle #2? Obviously you're going against the grain with that ranking, but I like that. It takes balls. Haven't seen much of him though, what round do you think he'll go in?

Chidi29
03-06-2011, 08:38 PM
Wow this is really sick.

But Nathan Enderle #2? Obviously you're going against the grain with that ranking, but I like that. It takes balls. Haven't seen much of him though, what round do you think he'll go in?

Yeah, Enderle is probably my most controversial pick. While I rank him highly, I realize he won't go as high as people like Gabbert, Newton, Mallett, etc.

It's hard to say for sure where he'll go. At best, we're talking 4th round and the 6th or 7th QB off the board.

Here are a couple links of articles I wrote that explains why I'm such a fan of Enderle as well as a breakdown of his game against La Tech. A video of that game will be in the link so people can follow along and watch what I'm seeing or form their own opinion.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/587471-2011-nfl-draft-why-nathan-enderle-will-prove-everyone-wrong

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/609168-nathan-enderle-is-the-most-underrated-player-in-the-draft-breakdown-vs-la-tech

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/610042-part-2-enderle-is-the-most-underrated-player-in-the-draft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfnSYt20i_8 (Link to video of the game, shows all his passes)

And yes, I know it's bleacherreport. Try to ignore that.

Heisman
03-06-2011, 08:58 PM
Kid looks solid to me. I really like his freedom to make audibles at the line, and how he comes from such a pro-style offense. That's rare these days

Chidi29
03-06-2011, 09:27 PM
Kid looks solid to me. I really like his freedom to make audibles at the line, and how he comes from such a pro-style offense. That's rare these days

Yup. For as much flack as college QBs get these days from coming out of simple spread offenses, Enderle should be getting a lot of love. Pretty much a pro offense the whole way. And like you said and I've written, Enderle makes a ton of pre-snap adjustments. Has Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert ever had to do that?

RealityCheck
03-07-2011, 05:11 PM
Enderle is very, very underrated. I like your style, man.

Chidi29
03-07-2011, 05:34 PM
Enderle is very, very underrated. I like your style, man.

Thanks. I know Scott is a fan, too. That's not why I like him but it's good to know there are people who feel the same.

Caulibflower
03-07-2011, 09:17 PM
Looking at what you describe in your write-ups, I'm not sure why you don't have Cameron Jordan as your #1 Defensive end. But this is great, man. I especially liked your analysis of the offensive lineman, that's pretty rare. Max rep and thanks; I'm sure I'll come back to this thread as the draft approaches.

Chidi29
03-07-2011, 09:40 PM
Looking at what you describe in your write-ups, I'm not sure why you don't have Cameron Jordan as your #1 Defensive end. But this is great, man. I especially liked your analysis of the offensive lineman, that's pretty rare. Max rep and thanks; I'm sure I'll come back to this thread as the draft approaches.

I see what you mean. I do like Jordan a lot and he is a top fifteen pick in my mock. It's a deep class at DE as I'm sure you know. Pick another year and he may have very well been my number one guy.

I do want to see him be more consistent and stay off the ground especially. Those are two fairly major things that lowered his stock a little bit. And he's slightly below Bowers and Quinn in terms of athletic ability.

Thanks for the rep. Much appreciated.

VoteLynnSwan
03-07-2011, 09:49 PM
you skipped Corey Liuget in your writeups.

Chidi29
03-07-2011, 10:06 PM
you skipped Corey Liuget in your writeups.

I did not watch him personally. Tried to one game but the camera angle was shoddy and I couldn't get a good look at him. There is an asterisk next to his name showing that I don't have any notes on him.

Caulibflower
03-07-2011, 10:56 PM
Do you see any guards as being potentially great run-blockers who would be available in the middle rounds? Seattle needs a couple... I'd like to get Carimi at #25 if we can't get Jake Locker, but we need help pretty much everywhere on both lines.

TonyGfortheTD
03-07-2011, 11:13 PM
I stopped reading......
1. Ryan Mallet/Arkansas (x3)
here.

Mallet has nowhere near the consistency you'd want to see from a first round QB, much less one at the top of your draft board.

Caulibflower
03-07-2011, 11:27 PM
I don't like Mallett either, but you gotta respect the method. At least he's watched each of these guys play. If he can keep it together, he could be at least similar to Drew Bledsoe. Not a huge fan of Bledsoe, either, but all in all he was a pretty good quarterback.

Iamcanadian
03-08-2011, 12:13 AM
While you obviously put in a tremendous amount of work, ignoring people whose opinions have a very successful track record for being right, seems a great waste of time to me.
I watch a lot of games, the East-West Shrine game, the Senior Bowl and the total combine and create my own lists as well but I use specific people as if they were scouts working for me, and when they suggest that I'm wrong on prospects, I go back and check my opinion against theirs, if I disagree I stick to my guns but where none of them has any agreement with my rankings, I tend to think I made a huge mistake and go back and watch a lot of film. Now, the real guts of a draft aren't really known for 3 years minimum and sometimes I have been right on and they were wrong, and of course many times they were right on and I was in error.
I just don't get the impression that you are open to other people opinions no matter how solid their credentials are, and I think your rankings need a lot of work.
a) watching games can be very deceiving as you have no way of knowing what type of prospects a player is playing against , were they just college types with little pro potential or in rare cases, were they actually playing against a real pro prospect??? Game film is almost useless unless you have quantitative evidence of what athletic abilities a prospect has.
b) somebody like Mayock or Gil Brandt have access to real pro scouts and GM's to test their theories against, they also have access to great film on every game a player played against for his college career, they also often get a chance to interview players and also see how they react when among their peers. To completely ignore their findings seems rather silly to me.
c) if you completely disagree with other draftniks, fine and dandy, you have to choose your medicine but to try to act in a vacuum after the post season is nearly completed, is in my opinion a complete waste of time.

Sorry to come down hard on you and if this were 10 years ago, your observations would have a lot more meaning, but in today's world, the draft is no longer in the dark ages and draftniks have to know how to sort through materials beyond their own personal opinions to get at the truth.
You are obviously a hard worker and I hope with experience you will find a better path to the draft, where your hard work ends up with better results.
Keep it up, you have potential.

Chidi29
03-08-2011, 03:49 PM
Do you see any guards as being potentially great run-blockers who would be available in the middle rounds? Seattle needs a couple... I'd like to get Carimi at #25 if we can't get Jake Locker, but we need help pretty much everywhere on both lines.

I would look at my six through nine guards. A lot of beefy power guys there. Hurd needs to work on his technique but the build is there and I like his first step. Underrated for an OL IMO. Need to be able to get off the ball well and get your arms into the DT before he can do the same to you.

Never watched Moffitt but he has that Wisconsin persona. Know the Badgers had a great run game.

Boling and Franklin are also good run blockers. Franklin especially. He just needs to kick inside and become more consistent. His size makes him bend his waist more than you'd like (the same with Hurd).

Chidi29
03-08-2011, 03:53 PM
I stopped reading......

here.

Mallet has nowhere near the consistency you'd want to see from a first round QB, much less one at the top of your draft board.

What QB in this class has that consistency? Newton isn't a consistent passer. Gabbert looked inconsistent when I watched him. The same with Locker. And Enderle.

There is no franchise QB this year. Not in my eyes, at least. Maybe you think differently, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion, obviously.

I don't see a lot of flaws in Mallett's game from a physical standpoint. The leadership/character concerns are a red flag but for the average fan, that's tough to judge. You try to take it into account but it's difficult to get reliable information.

Wrathman
03-08-2011, 04:04 PM
While you obviously put in a tremendous amount of work, ignoring people whose opinions have a very successful track record for being right, seems a great waste of time to me.
I watch a lot of games, the East-West Shrine game, the Senior Bowl and the total combine and create my own lists as well but I use specific people as if they were scouts working for me, and when they suggest that I'm wrong on prospects, I go back and check my opinion against theirs, if I disagree I stick to my guns but where none of them has any agreement with my rankings, I tend to think I made a huge mistake and go back and watch a lot of film. Now, the real guts of a draft aren't really known for 3 years minimum and sometimes I have been right on and they were wrong, and of course many times they were right on and I was in error.
I just don't get the impression that you are open to other people opinions no matter how solid their credentials are, and I think your rankings need a lot of work.
a) watching games can be very deceiving as you have no way of knowing what type of prospects a player is playing against , were they just college types with little pro potential or in rare cases, were they actually playing against a real pro prospect??? Game film is almost useless unless you have quantitative evidence of what athletic abilities a prospect has.
b) somebody like Mayock or Gil Brandt have access to real pro scouts and GM's to test their theories against, they also have access to great film on every game a player played against for his college career, they also often get a chance to interview players and also see how they react when among their peers. To completely ignore their findings seems rather silly to me.
c) if you completely disagree with other draftniks, fine and dandy, you have to choose your medicine but to try to act in a vacuum after the post season is nearly completed, is in my opinion a complete waste of time.

Sorry to come down hard on you and if this were 10 years ago, your observations would have a lot more meaning, but in today's world, the draft is no longer in the dark ages and draftniks have to know how to sort through materials beyond their own personal opinions to get at the truth.
You are obviously a hard worker and I hope with experience you will find a better path to the draft, where your hard work ends up with better results.
Keep it up, you have potential.

Good post if the goal is to shut down every board that allows discussions on prospects as we should all just accept what the "knowledgeable" people are feeding us as unassailable truth.

Chidi29
03-08-2011, 04:19 PM
While you obviously put in a tremendous amount of work, ignoring people whose opinions have a very successful track record for being right, seems a great waste of time to me.
I watch a lot of games, the East-West Shrine game, the Senior Bowl and the total combine and create my own lists as well but I use specific people as if they were scouts working for me, and when they suggest that I'm wrong on prospects, I go back and check my opinion against theirs, if I disagree I stick to my guns but where none of them has any agreement with my rankings, I tend to think I made a huge mistake and go back and watch a lot of film. Now, the real guts of a draft aren't really known for 3 years minimum and sometimes I have been right on and they were wrong, and of course many times they were right on and I was in error.
I just don't get the impression that you are open to other people opinions no matter how solid their credentials are, and I think your rankings need a lot of work.
a) watching games can be very deceiving as you have no way of knowing what type of prospects a player is playing against , were they just college types with little pro potential or in rare cases, were they actually playing against a real pro prospect??? Game film is almost useless unless you have quantitative evidence of what athletic abilities a prospect has.
b) somebody like Mayock or Gil Brandt have access to real pro scouts and GM's to test their theories against, they also have access to great film on every game a player played against for his college career, they also often get a chance to interview players and also see how they react when among their peers. To completely ignore their findings seems rather silly to me.
c) if you completely disagree with other draftniks, fine and dandy, you have to choose your medicine but to try to act in a vacuum after the post season is nearly completed, is in my opinion a complete waste of time.

Sorry to come down hard on you and if this were 10 years ago, your observations would have a lot more meaning, but in today's world, the draft is no longer in the dark ages and draftniks have to know how to sort through materials beyond their own personal opinions to get at the truth.
You are obviously a hard worker and I hope with experience you will find a better path to the draft, where your hard work ends up with better results.
Keep it up, you have potential.

I'm not saying I'm better than any of the guys that actually get paid for this. If it comes down to a discussion between myself and Mike Mayock and you're trying to decide who is right, go with Mayock. Everytime. Heck, I'd go with Mayock.

I am open to other opinion's. Especially the people like the ones on here who I can talk to. I obviously can't talk to Mayock. And I feel odd saying "I like him because Mayock likes him". I want my rankings to be as geniune as possible. Now, if it's a guy I haven't watched then sure, I'll defer to the experts. But if I have watched ago and feel comfortable in creating my own report, I'll do so. I'd like to be able to go back in a few years and say, "Hey I liked that guy when everyone else didn't and I got it right". On the other side of the spectrum, I can say, "Wow, I really screwed up that pick. What did I do wrong?"

And that's the big thing. I'm holding myself accountable. I can't deflect the blame elsewhere and say, "Well the other guy got it wrong and screwed me". I can figure out where I went wrong and try to improve on it.

And like I said, I think I do take into account other opinion's. I'm going to make a lot of changes in my mock based on the input I get. And I posted some positional rankings like the ones above on another site at an earlier point. I got input and adjusted as I saw fit.

I know I'm not as good as Mayock or Brandt. Any of those guys. I know gamefilm can't tell me everything. But when you do this for fun and don't have access to all that information that they do, it's the best I'm going to get. I'm not sure how else I can do it.

Iamcanadian
03-08-2011, 04:29 PM
Good post if the goal is to shut down every board that allows discussions on prospects as we should all just accept what the "knowledgeable" people are feeding us as unassailable truth.

There is plenty of room for discussion on prospects, knowledgeable people have their own preferences which may differ from yours, they may also prefer certain schemes while your team may run other schemes. They may even be wrong about some prospects and their rankings can differ somewhat from your own, but to ignore everything they say and try to come up with rankings based on your own opinion alone is rather ridiculous in the end.
That is why teams hire many scouts, to get as many opinions about prospects as they can, they never base their boards on one man's ideas alone.
You could write a book on say economics based on your own observations without studying what other economists have to say on the matter, would anybody consider your observations valid, I doubt it. Knowledge and experience counts for a lot and to completely ignore it is rather unproductive IMO. Does that leave room for your own opinions, I think it gives a lot of freedom to express your own ideas.

Chidi29
03-08-2011, 05:01 PM
Are my rankings really that radically different than the "norm"? Cite a few cases and I'll bite, but it's not like I consistently ranked sixth rounders as my top guys.

Iamcanadian
03-08-2011, 07:10 PM
Are my rankings really that radically different than the "norm"? Cite a few cases and I'll bite, but it's not like I consistently ranked sixth rounders as my top guys.

Well, your #2 QB is off the charts, your OG's leaves me shaking my head. Your DT's doesn't even mention Dareus and that's his best position and your order for a # of DT prospects is clearly questionable.
O'Dowd "plays with a solid base" comment just didn't show up at the Senior Bowl where borderline DLmen shoved him all over the place. Ugo Chimeso ahead of a # of far better prospects, and on and on.
You have potential but you need to water down your ranking somewhat and test them against others who have proven track records. We have come a long way in a short time in predicting the draft and to ignore the assists available shows your inexperience.
I'm putting in the time to comment because I want to help a hard worker like yourself to become better at your chosen hobby and not to be just critical without suggestions.

Chidi29
03-08-2011, 07:49 PM
Well, your #2 QB is off the charts, your OG's leaves me shaking my head. Your DT's doesn't even mention Dareus and that's his best position and your order for a # of DT prospects is clearly questionable.
O'Dowd "plays with a solid base" comment just didn't show up at the Senior Bowl where borderline DLmen shoved him all over the place. Ugo Chimeso ahead of a # of far better prospects, and on and on.
You have potential but you need to water down your ranking somewhat and test them against others who have proven track records. We have come a long way in a short time in predicting the draft and to ignore the assists available shows your inexperience.
I'm putting in the time to comment because I want to help a hard worker like yourself to become better at your chosen hobby and not to be just critical without suggestions.

Like I said, there are definitely some controversial picks. This thread would be boring if everything was vanilla. And I'll defend each of my major controversial picks, like you said you would do. If you want to ask about a certain guy, I'll be happy to explain.

I just don't get the fun in going by what other people say. The biggest thing, like I said in my other post, is allowing me the ability to learn from mistakes.

Chidi29
03-09-2011, 02:59 PM
Plus, I make my mocks a little more "realistic". While I don't like Gabbert personally, he is a top fifteen player in my mock.