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TACKLE
03-09-2011, 09:49 PM
Well here are my first set of rankings for the 2011 Draft. It includes my postional rankings as well as a tiered Big Board consisting of my Top 64 players overall. I plan on doing an updated version before the draft. Top 10 at each position with the exception of WR and CB (12) and Fullback (5). I didn't want to make them too extensive because I don't feel comfortable ranking a player who I know very little about. Also, I decided to include a lot of crossover between positions so several players will be included in more than one positional ranking. I only did this for prospect who have been discussed at playing more than one position or I feel has a legitimate shot at starting at somewhere else; though you'll find the positional carryover is quite prevalent.

I don't expect you all to agree. That's not the point. These are my personal rankings and my opinions and are in no way an indication of where I think these prospects will be drafted. Let me know if there are any inconsistencies between where players are ranked in the rankings and in the Big Board. Minor tweaking may happen here or there. So here it is....my 2011 Post-Combine Positional Rankings and Big Board. Enjoy (or don't, it's your call).


QUARTERBACK

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1. Cam Newton, Auburn
2. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
3. Jake Locker, Washington
4. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
5. Christian Ponder, Florida State
6. Colin Kapernick, Nevada
7. Nathan Enderle, Idaho
8. Andy Dalton, TCU
9. Greg McElroy, Alabama
10. Ricky Stanzi, Iowa


RUNNINGBACK

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1. Mark Ingram, Alabama
2. DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma
3. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois
4. Taiwan Jones, Eastern Washington
5. Delone Carter, Syracuse
6. Da'Rell Scott, Maryland
7. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
8. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
9. Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State
10. Shane Vereen, California


FULLBACK

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1. Henry Hynoski, Pittsburgh
2. Stanley Havili, USC
3. Owen Marecic, Stanford
4. Keith Payne, Virginia
5. Anthony Sherman, UConn


WIDE RECIEVER

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1. Julio Jones, Alabama
2. AJ Green, Georgia
3. Randall Cobb, Kentucky
4. Greg Little, North Carolina
5. Edmund Gates, Abilene Christian
6. Leonard Hankerson, Miami
7. Titus Young, Boise State
8. Jerrel Jernigan, Troy
9. Torrey Smith, Maryland
10. Jon Baldwin, Pittsburgh
11. Denarius Moore, Tennessee
12. Jeff Maehl, Oregon


TIGHT END

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1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
2. Virgil Green, Nevada
3. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
4. Julius Thomas, Portland State
5. DJ Williams, Arkansas
6. Jordan Cameron, USC
7. Rob Housler, Florida Atlantic
8. Luke Stocker, Tennessee


OFFENSIVE TACKLE

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1. Ben Ijalana, Villanova
2. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
3. Tyron Smith, USC
4. Nate Solder, Colorado
5. Anthony Castonzo, Boston College
6. Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State
7. Clint Boiling, Georgia
8. Jah Reid, UCF
9. Oralndo Franklin, Miami
10. James Brewer, Indiana


GUARD

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1. Ben Ijalana, Villanova
2. Danny Watkins, Baylor
3. Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State
4. Mike Pouncey, Florida
5. Orlando Franklin, Miami
6. Will Rackley, Lehigh
7. Clint Boiling, Georgia
8. Rodney Hudson, Florida State
9. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
10. Marcus Cannon, TCU



CENTER

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1. Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State
2. Mike Pouncey, Florida
3. Rodney Hudson, Florida State
4. Bradon Fusco, Slippery Rock
5. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
6. Zane Taylor, Utah
7. Jake Kirkpatrick, TCU
8. Kris O'Dowd, USC



DEFENSIVE TACKLE

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1. Nick Fairley, Auburn
2. Marcell Dareus, Alabama
3. Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
4. Phil Taylor, Baylor
5. Corey Liuget, Illinois
6. Stephen Paea, Oregon State
7. Muhammed Wilkerson, Temple
8. Drake Nevis, LSU
9. Martin Parker, Richmond
10. Sione Fua, Stanford


3-4

DEFENSIVE END

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1. JJ Watt, Wisconsin
2. Marcell Dareus, Alabama
3. Nick Fairley, Auburn
4. Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
5. Cameron Jordan, California
6. Muhammed Wilkerson, Temple
7. Corey Liuget, Illinois
8. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
9. Christian Ballard, Iowa
10. Allen Bailey, Miami


OUTSIDE LINEBACKER

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1. Robert Quinn, North Carolina
2. Von Miller, Texas A&M
3. Justin Houston, Georgia
4. Ryan Kerrgian, Purdue
5. Brooks Reed, Arizona
6. Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh
7. Aldon Smith, Missouri
8. Dontay Moch, Nevada
9. Martez Wilson, Illinois
10. Sam Acho, Texas


4-3

DEFENSIVE END

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1. JJ Watt, Wisconsin
2. Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
3. Cameron Jordan, California
4. Robert Quinn, North Carolina
5. Justin Houston, Georgia
6. Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
7. Aldon Smith, Missouri
8. Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh
9. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
10. Brooks Reed, Arizona


OUTSIDE LINEBACKER

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1. Von Miller, Texas A&M
2. Mason Foster, Washington
3. Nate Irving, NC State
4. Martez Wilson, Illnois
5. Chris Carter, Fresno State
6. Akeem Ayers, UCLA
7. Bruce Carter, North Carolina
8. Dontay Moch, Nevada
9. Colin McCarthy, Miami
10. KJ Wright, Mississippi State


INSIDE LINEBACKER

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1. Mason Foster, Washington
2. Nate Irving, NC State
3. Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina
4. Martez Wilson, Illinois (3-4)
5. Colin McCarthy, Miami
6. Kelvin Sheppard, LSU
7. Mike Mohamed, California
8. Casey Matthews,
9. Oregon Mario Harvey, Marshall
10. KJ Wright, Mississippi State (3-4)


CORNERBACK

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1. Patrick Peterson, LSU
2. Jimmy Smith, Colorado
3. Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
4. Brandon Harris, Miami
5. Curtis Brown, Texas
6. Aaron Williams, Texas
7. Ras-I Dowling, Virginia
8. Curtis Marsh, Utah State
9. Johnny Patrick, Louisville
10. Brandon Hogan, West Virginia
11. Korey Lindsey-Woods, Southern Illinois
12. Brandon Burton, Utah


SAFETY

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1. Ras-I Dowling, Virginia
2. Rahim Moore, UCLA
3. Aaron Williams, Texas
4. Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson
5. Chris Culliver, South Carolina
6. Deunta Williams, North Carolina
7. Tyler Sash, Iowa.
8. DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson
9. Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
10. Shilo Keo, Idaho



I've divided my Big Board into tiers. I find it makes more sense that way then you are definitely comparing DB's to OT's and so on and so forth. The tiers are all different sizes and there are no exact cut off points. It's more of a feel of what caliber of prospects these players belong amongst. I still numbered them but the gap between two prospects within the same tier is not going to be not meant to be significant at all. I included a brief description for each player in the top 3 tiers.


TOP 64



Tier 1


1. Patrick Peterson – CB – LSU

If there's one player I'd bet on to become an elite player in the NFL, its this guy. Still a little raw technically because he's been able to rely on pure athleticism but the talent and ability are overwhelming.


2. Julio Jones – WR – Alabama

Julio and AJ are 1 and 1a in my mind and have been for a while now. I gave Julio the slightest nod after his combine and also the fact that personally, I am partial to strong, physical WR's and Julio certainly fits the mold.


3. AJ Green – WR – Georgia

Could quite easily of been ranked anywhere from 1-3. What else needs be said about AJ. You just gotta love how natural he is. His workout was a tad disappointing but there's nothing preventing him from being able to become a top flight NFL WR.


4. JJ Watt – DE – Wisconsin

I can honestly say, Watt has not moved at all in my rankings since the combine. But his combine performance (which I felt was the best of any player in Indy) did solidify him as my clear cut #1 DE. Finding an elite 5-tech with great pass rush potential is very rare and he has the ability to be a highly disruptive player in the 4-3 as well.

5.Cam Newton – QB – Auburn

In general, it seems people are far too wrapped in where he is now opposed to where he is a couple years down the road which is what really matters. He’s an immensely talented player who is highly competitive and possess a strong work ethic. I don't see the transgressions and accusations at Florida and Auburn truly having any effect on the type of NFL player he becomes. His biggest issues as a quarterback and fixable with two things: reps and coaching.

6. Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn

Possibly the second most dominant player in college football last season. A long, explosive athlete who is as disruptive of a force in the backfield that we've seen at the college level. He just barely gets the nod over Dareus because of his pass rush and ability to impact the game on 3rd down.

7. Marcell Dareus – DT – Alabama

Dareus has the prototype DT build, is highly athletic, with great feet and plays with exceptional power and leverage at the point of attack. He is going to be an absolute rock inside for whoever drafts him. But some of his film combined with his poor 3-cone time leave me questioning his pass rush ability a bit which is what has him just ever so slightly behind Fairley.

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Tier 2

8. Da'Quan Bowers – DE – Clemson

Bowers is a little unconventional in that his get off is underwhelming but he's incredible in the second phase of his pass rush. His inconsistency leaves me unsure sure he ever becomes an elite pass rusher but he certainly has the ability to become one.


9. Robert Quinn – DE – North Carolina

Is almost like a bigger version of Von Miller. Elite athleticism and is special when it comes to his ability to dip and turn the corner. But like Miller, he is a bit of a one trick pony as a pass rusher and needs to be more physical at the point of attack. I definitely prefer him as an OLB in a 3-4. I have some questions but his edge rushing ability is undeniable.


10. Von Miller – OLB – Texas A&M

He still scares as a 3-4 OLB because his pass rush is so one dimensional. Still, he is as good as an athlete as you'll find at the OLB position. It's hard to bet against a guy who is highly aggressive, highly instinctive who possesses elite athleticism and explosiveness.


11. Mark Ingram – RB – Alabama

Would of liked to see him run a little faster but it really doesn't change my opinion on him. If you over-analyze him on paper, he doesn't look all that appealing. But you put the tape on and you realize what a naturally talented RB this guy is and what a terrific feel he has for the position. It's hard not to notice that almost all the top RB's right now (Johnson, Peterson, Charles, MJD, McFadden) all were guys who ran sub 4.4. Maybe his style of play is out of vogue in the league today. But with that being said, in the right situation, I see now reason why he couldn't fulfill his potential and become a Ray Rice-Frank Gore type back.

12. Cameron Heyward – DE – Ohio State

Physically he is the prototype 5-tech. He's never going to be a great pass rusher, but he plays with great power at the line of scrimmage, has heavy hands, can shed blocks, finds the ball very well and is impressive natural athlete. He has everything you look for in your two gap DE.


13. Jimmy Smith – CB – Colorado

This is a guy I've been high on since mid season. Exceptional size and length at 6'2 211 and combined that with an impressive 4.46 forty. He needs to show a bit more in off man and zone but he really excels in press. Also he's got some cockiness to him which I like in DB's.


14. Cameron Jordan – DE – Cal

I actually prefer him much more as a LE in a 4-3 than I do as a 5-tech. And big all around athlete, he moves very well and uses his hands exceptionally well. Don't know if he ever becomes a top flight pass rusher but he can be a very solid LE for many years that can impact the game on all 3 downs.

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Tier 3


15. Ben Ijalana – OT – Villanova

Ijalana is a personal favorite of mine. He was flat out dominant in the FCS and was just on a whole 'nother level than the players he lined up against. It's unfortunate he was unable to participate at either the combine or Senior Bowl and put his talents on display. He appears to be a very good athlete on film who is very natural and fluid in his movements; something I can't say about most of the OT's in this class. He's on the shorter size, but has the length to play LT with his freakishly long 36” arms. He is still raw technically and will need time to develop and adjust, but he reminds me a ton of Jason Peters and think he can become a similar caliber player.


16. Danny Watkins – G – Baylor

Can step in and start on a lot of teams and play at a high level right away. I know the word has become taboo but I think he is one of the “safest” prospects in this draft.


17. Gabe Carimi – OT – Wisconsin

I've always been impressed with his physicality but he really surprised me with how well he performed in the one-on-one's at Senior Bowl. Can confidently play on either side. Reminds me a lot of David Stewart of the Titans.


18. Tyron Smith – OT - USC

A very unique prospect. Hopefully he can keep his weight up. Great athlete, freakishly long arms and is a much more physical player than he gets credit for. He'll need a few years to develop both physically and as a player. But he's only 20 years old right now and his ceiling is very high.


19. Mason Foster – OLB – Washington

My personal favorite prospect in this draft. Love his energy, love his instincts, love his fluidity and love his play making ability. He is a tackling machine who is very solid and will make some team happy.


20. Prince Amukamara – CB – Nebraska

I'm not quite as high on him as others. Though I still think he can be a solid, reliable player with the the size and speed to confidently match-up on the oppositions #1 WR.


21. Justin Houston – DE/OLB – Georgia

Another guy who needs to be in a 4-3. Houston can really attack edge as a pass rusher but is also strong at the point of attack and has a powerful lower body. Could be higher but needs to show better change of direction.


22. Randall Cobb – WR – Kentucky

Maybe other than #2 for Auburn, no player in college football meant more to their offense that Randall Cobb. A lot of people never really got to see him play at Kentucky, but he is one of the most dynamic playmakers in college football. He ran a nice time in Indy but really impressed me with how natural and fluid he was in the drills.


23. Phil Taylor – NT – Baylor

Physically, the prototype NT. Taylor has incredible movement skills for a man his size. He's capable of getting great leverage and plays with great power. Is a little inconsistent and will need to keep his weight in check but he has the making to be one of the top young NT's in the league.

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Tier 4

24. Greg Little – WR – North Carolina
25. Corey Liuget – DT – Illinois
26. Stefen Wisniewski – G/C – Penn State
27. Brandon Harris – CB – Miami
28. Ryan Kerrigan – DE - Purdue
29. Ryan Mallett - QB - Arkansas
30. Aldon Smith – DE – Missouri
31. Brooks Reed – DE – Arizona
32. Edmund Gates – WR – Abilene Christian
33. Jake Locker – QB – Washington
34. Mike Pouncey – G – Florida
35. Leonard Hankerson – WR – Miami
36. Kyle Rudolph – TE – Notre Dame
37. Titus Young – WR - Boise State
38. Jerrel Jernigan – WR – Troy
39. Stephen Paea – DT – Oregon State
40. Torrey Smith – WR – Maryland
41. Jabaal Sheard - DE - Pittsburgh
42. DeMarco Murray - RB – Oklahoma

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Tier 5

43. Ras-I Dowling - CB/S – Virginia
44. Adrian Clayborn - DE – Iowa
45. Muhammed Wilkerson – DT – Temple
46. Jonathan Baldwin – WR – Pittsburgh
47. Nate Irving - LB - NC State
48. Mikel LeShoure – RB – Illinois
49. Curtis Brown – CB - Texas
50. Nate Solder – OT – Colorado
51. Aaron Williams – CB/S – Texas
52. Quan Sturdivant – LB – North Carolina
53. Drake Nevis – DT – LSU
54. Rahim Moore - FS - UCLA
55. Anthony Castonzo – Boston College
56. Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
57. Martez Wilson - OLB - Illinois
58. Akeem Ayers - OLB - UCLA

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Tier 6

59. Derek Sherrod – OT – Mississippi State
60. Taiwan Jones - RB – Eastern Washington[
61. Christian Ponder – QB – Florida State
62. Delone Carter - RB - Syracuse
63. Christian Ballard - DE/DT - Iowa
64. Allen Bailey - DE - Miami




SWAG

Don Vito
03-09-2011, 09:51 PM
You really don't like Aldon Smith huh?

DeepThreat
03-09-2011, 09:58 PM
Props for not just following the herd. I have many disagreements which I'm sure I will be discussing with you over the next few days, but I know you put a lot of work into this.

Don Vito
03-09-2011, 10:01 PM
Not a big Castonzo fan either I take it. I could see why a lot of people don't like him, but he is a guy who I think is as safe as they come. There really is no such thing as a safe pick but Castonzo has decent tools but is a very hard worker and is a technician with enough ability to be a very good starter.

Hurricanes25
03-09-2011, 10:11 PM
Awesome work, Tackle. You definitely put a lot of time and effort into this.

TACKLE
03-09-2011, 10:19 PM
You really don't like Aldon Smith huh?

Admittedly, he's a guy I'm having a tough time with. I don't know if he's awkward or sneaky athletic. Maybe a bit of both. I know he played injured but looked unimpressive at times. You gotta love his length and he's very active, just not totally sold on his edge rushing abilities at the moment. That could change but just the feeling I get right now.

Not a big Castonzo fan either I take it. I could see why a lot of people don't like him, but he is a guy who I think is as safe as they come. There really is no such thing as a safe pick but Castonzo has decent tools but is a very hard worker and is a technician with enough ability to be a very good starter.

Do I think he can be a good starting OT in the NFL for a number of years? Absolutely. But I don't know if he'll be much more than that. Personally, I don't really like the way he moves. He surprised me with how well he timed in the events but looked awkward and unnatural in his movements which kind of confirmed what I thought of him on film and more so in Mobile. He's a little top heavy and will needs to anchor better as well. Again, its not that I think he'll bust or anything. I think he can be a good, reliable OT but to me a player like that isn't a first round type value.

Don Vito
03-09-2011, 10:23 PM
Do I think he can be a good starting OT in the NFL for a number of years? Absolutely. But I don't know if he'll be much more than that. Personally, I don't really like the way he moves. He surprised me with how well he timed in the events but looked awkward and unnatural in his movements which kind of confirmed what I thought of him on film and more so in Mobile. He's a little top heavy and will needs to anchor better as well. Again, its not that I think he'll bust or anything. I think he can be a good, reliable OT but to me a player like that isn't a first round type value.

I agree that he is a guy who will be a good, reliable tackle for a while and probably never an elite player. The only reason I think he might be a little more valuable is because this is a weak tackle class. I think Castonzo will be a Matt Light type player for ten or so years, and there is nothing wrong with that but it probably would usually warrant a second round pick like Light was. This year he could be the first tackle taken and I think he will be selected in the first round since the position is so important and there are always team looking to upgrade their bookends.

RealityCheck
03-09-2011, 10:34 PM
Awesome layout, Tack. No Marvin Austin on the Top 10 DTs?

bored of education
03-09-2011, 10:38 PM
Tackle you make me sad

marshallb
03-09-2011, 10:39 PM
Great work, and I love the non-chalk rankings. The biggest disagreement that I have is on Marcus Cannon. Why are you so low on him?

bored of education
03-09-2011, 10:43 PM
but that doesnt mean i dont love you

TACKLE
03-09-2011, 11:16 PM
Tackle you make me sad

My WR rankings from 3-10 were very tightly ranked and the separation between a lot of the guys was very slim. I acknowledge Baldwin is highly talented but he really needs to be in the right system for him to be successful and would be limited in a lot of situations. That was the main thing that pushed him back.

TACKLE
03-10-2011, 12:09 AM
Great work, and I love the non-chalk rankings. The biggest disagreement that I have is on Marcus Cannon. Why are you so low on him?

He was just on the cusp on both the OT and the G rankings but there were some guys I liked just a bit more. It's hard not to love the way he moves but I've never been overly impressed with him as a football player. I don't think he's bad but when I watch him, I expect him to flash dominance every now and then but I haven't really seen it. Although he moves well at it, I expect his weight to be something that he struggles with throughout his career given that no NFL team will allow him to be at 375. The upside is certainly there but to be quite frank, I just have more questions than answers with Cannon at this point.

draftguru151
03-10-2011, 12:22 AM
Just the right amount of swaaaaaaaaag in these rankings.

DBNYDP
03-10-2011, 03:02 AM
I disagree with a lot of it but I can tell you put a lot of effort and your own thought into it so props.

bigbluedefense
03-10-2011, 06:54 AM
Great thread.

What are your thoughts about Nate Irving? I like Foster, but I come away more impressed with Irving.

descendency
03-10-2011, 07:20 AM
Great thread.

What are your thoughts about Nate Irving? I like Foster, but I come away more impressed with Irving.

Irving's major weakness is that he doesn't have range. I think he has the rest, but he could be Brandon Spikes like.

TACKLE
03-10-2011, 12:47 PM
Great thread.

What are your thoughts about Nate Irving? I like Foster, but I come away more impressed with Irving.

I like Irving a lot actually. Admittedly, I am higher on him than reflected in the big board but he got pushed back a little just because of the value of 4-3 LB's in today's NFL. Looking back on it, the gap between him and Mason should of been tighter than it was. I love his ability to come downhill and make plays in the backfield. You can tell he really trusts what he sees. With that being said, I think he was able to make a lot of plays because he it appears as if he was allowed freelance at NC State which gave him the freedom to shoot gaps. He didn't look nearly as impressive at Senior Bowl when he had to play in a disciplined roll. He appeared to be limited when he wasn't given that freedom. He is very effective between the tackles but I'd like to see him display a greater range and better fluidity in coverage. In the right scheme (with the Giants possibly?) I think he can really thrive as a downhill linebacker who given opportunities to be disruptive in the backfield but you can't count on him getting in a specific situation.

As far as Mason Foster, he's a guy I've been a huge fan of since his junior year at U-Dub. I thought he was the best LB at Senior Bowl all week. How just love how natural and fluid he is and he seems to have a great feel for the position. He offers great versatility as he's been able to play all 3 LB spots in the 4-3 defense and says he can also play ILB in a 3-4. Watching him during the season, I thought he needed to be a little more physical at the point of attack when taking on blocks. Though they played him at SAM in the Senior Bowl game and made him come up on the line and set the edge on the TE and he surprised me with how solid he was at the point of attack. Sideline to sideline, I think he's the best LB in this draft and flows to the ball exceptionally well. He doesn't really get recognition as a strong blitzer but he totaled 6.5 sacks and 14 tfl's this season which alone, gives you some indication of his ability to come downhill and make plays. All things factored in, I just believe that Mason is the most well rounded LB in this draft.

bigbluedefense
03-10-2011, 01:08 PM
I like Irving a lot actually. Admittedly, I am higher on him than reflected in the big board but he got pushed back a little just because of the value of 4-3 LB's in today's NFL. Looking back on it, the gap between him and Mason should of been tighter than it was. I love his ability to come downhill and make plays in the backfield. You can tell he really trusts what he sees. With that being said, I think he was able to make a lot of plays because he it appears as if he was allowed freelance at NC State which gave him the freedom to shoot gaps. He didn't look nearly as impressive at Senior Bowl when he had to play in a disciplined roll. He appeared to be limited when he wasn't given that freedom. He is very effective between the tackles but I'd like to see him display a greater range and better fluidity in coverage. In the right scheme (with the Giants possibly?) I think he can really thrive as a downhill linebacker who given opportunities to be disruptive in the backfield but you can't count on him getting in a specific situation.

As far as Mason Foster, he's a guy I've been a huge fan of since his junior year at U-Dub. I thought he was the best LB at Senior Bowl all week. How just love how natural and fluid he is and he seems to have a great feel for the position. He offers great versatility as he's been able to play all 3 LB spots in the 4-3 defense and says he can also play ILB in a 3-4. Watching him during the season, I thought he needed to be a little more physical at the point of attack when taking on blocks. Though they played him at SAM in the Senior Bowl game and made him come up on the line and set the edge on the TE and he surprised me with how solid he was at the point of attack. Sideline to sideline, I think he's the best LB in this draft and flows to the ball exceptionally well. He doesn't really get recognition as a strong blitzer but he totaled 6.5 sacks and 14 tfl's this season which alone, gives you some indication of his ability to come downhill and make plays. All things factored in, I just believe that Mason is the most well rounded LB in this draft.

Hmmm. Great post. This has me thinking, I need to go back and watch more of both of these guys.

If the freelancing part is true, he's probably not a good fit for the Giants. My problem with Foster was, I didn't think he has great range either. He looks a little stiff.

He looked wide bodied and heavy when cutting during the combine.

I have to check these guys out again.

Irving's major weakness is that he doesn't have range. I think he has the rest, but he could be Brandon Spikes like.

He's got a lot more range than Spikes, don't you think?

TACKLE
03-10-2011, 01:17 PM
Hmmm. Great post. This has me thinking, I need to go back and watch more of both of these guys.

Same here. More work still needs to be done for sure.

If the freelancing part is true, he's probably not a good fit for the Giants. My problem with Foster was, I didn't think he has great range either. He looks a little stiff.

He looked wide bodied and heavy when cutting during the combine.

I have to check these guys out again.

Maybe "freelancing" isn't the correct word more so given the freedom to shoot gaps when he saw fit(a freedom not all LB's are given). I wasn't able to catch the LB drills at the combine so that's something I'll have to check out as NFL.com puts out its player reels from the combine.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-10-2011, 04:57 PM
I'm pleased to see I'm not the only one who is a big fan of Maehl and Murray.

TACKLE
03-11-2011, 12:34 AM
I'm pleased to see I'm not the only one who is a big fan of Maehl and Murray.

Maehl performance in Indy has been severely overlooked. He ran a sub-par forty time was nothing short of incredible in the agility drills. He set the combine record (recent recorded history) for his 3-cone time amongst WR's. Also ran the fastest 60 yard shuttle and the second fastest short shuttle. To top it all off, he looked smooth in drills and was very natural catching the ball. He was just a guy who people continually overlooked throughout the season but always seemed to be the guy who would come up big in big situations for the Ducks. He's a very crafty player, with great hands, elite change of direction who should find himself as a nice niche as a slot WR for somebody.

DoughBoy
03-11-2011, 04:39 AM
Denarius Moore @ 11!! I love you tackle <3 <3 <3

Brent
03-11-2011, 05:49 AM
I, too, love DeMarco Murray.

yourfavestoner
03-11-2011, 10:17 AM
Swag, swag, swag. Awesome job, tackle.

bigbluedefense
03-11-2011, 10:19 AM
Paea is growing on me. I'm affraid of those short arms, but the guy has a great first step and a motor, and great functional strength.

I'm starting to really like him as a 3 tech.

TACKLE
03-11-2011, 12:45 PM
Paea is growing on me. I'm affraid of those short arms, but the guy has a great first step and a motor, and great functional strength.

I'm starting to really like him as a 3 tech.

People talk about him as a possible NT prospect, in both the 4-3 and 3-4 defense, but I see him as a 3-tech all the way. His strength gets all the attention, and deservingly so, but I think his quickness may be his greatest attribute. If I draft him, I want him to be a guy who can get up-field and be disruptive in the backfield. I don't think he'll be nearly successful as someone who just anchors inside and tries to eat up double teams. Even though he has great strength, at 6'1 303 and with short arms, its hard not to think that he could get swallowed up by bigger blockers, especially if he's facing double teams. He needs to be in a 4-3 and he needs to be a 3-tech.

bigbluedefense
03-11-2011, 12:51 PM
People talk about him as a possible NT prospect, in both the 4-3 and 3-4 defense, but I see him as a 3-tech all the way. His strength gets all the attention, and deservingly so, but I think his quickness may be his greatest attribute. If I draft him, I want him to be a guy who can get up-field and be disruptive in the backfield. I don't think he'll be nearly successful as someone who just anchors inside and tries to eat up double teams. Even though he has great strength, at 6'1 303 and with short arms, its hard not to think that he could get swallowed up by bigger blockers, especially if he's facing double teams. He needs to be in a 4-3 and he needs to be a 3-tech.

I think his quickness and his punch are why I like him so much. Plus a great motor. To me he's a 3 tech all the way, I don't see how he can be a NT in either scheme, it would be a waste of his talents in my eyes.

He's raw though, you can tell he needs to improve his play recognition skills and his technique. He's short so he plays low though, which is a good start.

He's a guy who I think will pay bigger dividends in his 2nd and 3rd year in the league. You gotta love his work ethic and motor too. When evaluating DTs, that's important bc a DT can get out of shape in a heart beat.