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Philliez01
03-11-2011, 01:24 AM
An 8.9 Earthquake hit off the coast of Japan....if anyone is still up, I'd turn on a major news outlet because this stuff is intense....borderline scary, it's taking cars right off the road (the tsunami is).

Thoughts go there.

(I know current events are kind of frowned upon here, but this is crazy)

Philliez01
03-11-2011, 01:30 AM
Some photos:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvtxnTZTc1qz5ew6o1_r1_500.png

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvsuuK8dl1qz6z0no1_500.png

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvtkp9Ml31qzr73ro1_500.png

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvu4iLPjC1qzr73ro1_500.png

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvuoeyyPD1qzr73ro1_500.jpg

sbh15
03-11-2011, 01:30 AM
Hopefully everyone is okay over there. Also, why are they reporting a 13 foot wave as a tsunami?

TitanHope
03-11-2011, 01:30 AM
Tsunami + Earthquake > Godzirra

Don Vito
03-11-2011, 01:33 AM
Some crazy stuff

Razor
03-11-2011, 01:33 AM
Hopefully everyone is okay over there. Also, why are they reporting a 13 foot wave as a tsunami?

They are reporting a 30 foot wave here, so maybe they messed up? Anyways, the stock market should be interesting today. Tsunami in Japan and shots fired at a demonstration in Saudi Arabia yesterday. Fun stuff... :s

TACKLE
03-11-2011, 01:34 AM
Just saw this on the news. Dis so clazy!!!....seriously, there was a house floating down the flood current.

sbh15
03-11-2011, 01:37 AM
They are reporting a 30 foot wave here, so maybe they messed up? Anyways, the stock market should be interesting today. Tsunami in Japan and shots fired at a demonstration in Saudi Arabia yesterday. Fun stuff... :s

Well that would make more sense, the only article I read said 13. Still, scary ****.

yodabear
03-11-2011, 01:37 AM
Hopefully everyone is okay over there. Also, why are they reporting a 13 foot wave as a tsunami?

Yeah, one of my classes, one of them I barely go to, just got done talking about them. And my professor showed a video of one and it was some scary **** man. Its a huge wave moving very, very quickly.

fenikz
03-11-2011, 01:38 AM
Hopefully everyone is okay over there. Also, why are they reporting a 13 foot wave as a tsunami?

sure it wasn't 13 meters? what im reading is between 10-12 meter high waves

TitanHope
03-11-2011, 01:55 AM
When they show clips of the person in the house waving the white flag, you can see a body floating in the background... :(

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
03-11-2011, 02:13 AM
Pretty surreal looking stuff. Fairly "urban" setting with cars and boats looking like toys in a bathtub but also, from the videos, they see a little nonchalant about the whole thing. In a comforting way, I mean.

Thats a good sign, right?

fenikz
03-11-2011, 02:14 AM
im really not sure, i think if the camera zoomed in you would be seeing hundreds of bodies floating

fenikz
03-11-2011, 02:17 AM
that was a massive explosion

TitanHope
03-11-2011, 02:20 AM
im really not sure, i think if the camera zoomed in you would be seeing hundreds of bodies floating

Absolutely. Even in Katrina, there were some horrific shots.

I could be mistaken about what I saw. They keep showing the clip, so you guys can clarify. As the camera pans over the house, a chunk of debris comes into view from behind the house. It looks like a person laying on debris. Of course, when things like this happen, you look at stuff with the assumption that you could see death, so your eyes can play tricks on you. I'm hoping that this is the case.


Also, it looks like Hawai'i is gonna get hit too...during Spring Break...

fenikz
03-11-2011, 02:26 AM
they are now showing people on a bridge with the wave approaching, most of these people are about to die

TACKLE
03-11-2011, 02:36 AM
they are now showing people on a bridge with the wave approaching, most of these people are about to die

damn. just saw that. just nothing they can do about it.

*switches over to conan

TitanHope
03-11-2011, 02:41 AM
I remember the Thailand/Sumatra/etc. tsunami, and there was a homemade footage of a guy who had walked way out into the beach. You know how a sign that a tsunami is the water will recede and go back into the ocean? Well, as the water left and the beachline extended, he walked out on it and was sitting down. A guy was rolling tape, and actually zoomed in on the guy. He was standing there as the wall of water suddenly rose and smashed into him. I remember watching it with the realization that I just saw a guy lose his life. He had to have been killed on impact.

Here's the vid:

IuUygn7BZis

Bosanac01
03-11-2011, 03:02 AM
Man this is some really crazy stuff. This is 2nd strongest Earthquake in our lifetime. It's just horrible watching everything like that getting washed up.

We're all sitting here nicely at home, can't imagine being in a situation like that. Hopefully the situation get's settled down and they rebuild quickly from this.

TACKLE
03-11-2011, 03:03 AM
i will say, it is pretty cool how technology (cell phone/hand held video cameras, etc.) have allowed so much footage to be captured. may that's the wrong way to think about it but whatever.

diabsoule
03-11-2011, 03:03 AM
Thoughts and prayers go out to the people living on Honshu. This is truly catastrophic

TACKLE
03-11-2011, 03:14 AM
tsunami hits taiwan in a half hour from now.

kalbears13
03-11-2011, 03:21 AM
This is crazy. Seeing the videos where the shoreline recedes are amazing. Nature is an unbelievable force.

Luckily all the friends and family (from my white side as weird as it seems) are in Tokyo where there wasn't that much damage. It seems like all the earthquake proofing they did paid off. I can't imagine how bad California would be if it was hit with something like that. So many buildings not built to code out here.

Hopefully Taiwan doesn't get hit too hard. My whole side of my mom's family lives in Taipei. I might have to stay up now.

Bosanac01
03-11-2011, 03:28 AM
I'm just staying up and watching this unfold. Al Jazeera has it up live on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AlJazeeraEnglish

TitanHope
03-11-2011, 03:51 AM
Keep D-Unit in ya'lls thoughts and prayers. Not only he himself is in Hawai'i, but his family, friends, and roots are there too. So keep him in mind as the possible wave approaches.

Hopefully he can hop on a computer and check in soon.

Ness
03-11-2011, 04:35 AM
Terrible. My thoughts and prayers go out to all of the people in peril.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2011, 06:22 AM
Is it strange that the first place I went to for good info on this was SWDC...? By now, most of you will instantly think not.

The little footage I have seen looks incredible. Its water just flowing through what should be fields and I can't see where the shoreline should be.

I'm keeping everyone in the affected areas in my thoughts hoping that the people affected will get the help they need asap and the people that will be affected are doing everything to stay safe.

My sister told me my High School's band is out in Hawaii right now for some competition, so I'm assuming Hawaii is jam packed with Tourists right now, and I'm hoping everyone out there can stay safe. My cousin recently moved out to Oakland, and though that should be spared some because its not a direct shoreline, I'm still worried for his safety, as well as the rest of the people out there in California, as well as the rest of the West Coast and Pacific shorelines.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2011, 06:40 AM
Hopefully everyone is okay over there. Also, why are they reporting a 13 foot wave as a tsunami?

Tsunami waves are much different than regular waves, there is much more energy behind them, as well as the wavelength (accross the whole swell of ocean waters) being different, much longer. So even if it were 13 feettsunami wave, that's a 13 foot wave that would travel further into shore (basically travelling approximately to the point just above 13 feet elvation, depending on the speed of the wave as well as the ocean terrain before the shore as well as the terrain of the land the water is overtaking.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-11-2011, 06:47 AM
Wow. Unbelievable. D, and everyone living on the West Coast, I'll keep you in my thoughts. Scary, scary stuff.

Wootylicous
03-11-2011, 06:48 AM
Oh **** I have family in Sendai fml

I hope they are ok I have no news from them :|

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2011, 07:05 AM
Oh **** I have family in Sendai fml

I hope they are ok I have no news from them :|

My well wishes go out to them, all the footage I've seen from there has been unbelievable...

Wootylicous
03-11-2011, 07:06 AM
Trying to call them right now they are not answering their cell phones I'm honestly scared as ****. I just want freakin news from them :/

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-11-2011, 07:07 AM
I hope they're alright, woot. I imagine there's a good chance everything electronic is down right now, so them not picking up their cell phones might not mean anything. We can hope.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2011, 07:10 AM
I hope they're alright, woot. I imagine there's a good chance everything electronic is down right now, so them not picking up their cell phones might not mean anything. We can hope.

This is what I'm thinking right now, hopefully thats the case. Either that or phones got left behing while evacuating. I hope you hear from them soon wooty...

Don Vito
03-11-2011, 07:11 AM
Trying to call them right now they are not answering their cell phones I'm honestly scared as ****. I just want freakin news from them :/

Hope everything turns out OK

Paul
03-11-2011, 08:50 AM
Jesus. Nothing is more humbling then seeing mother nature's force.

A Perfect Score
03-11-2011, 09:16 AM
Jesus. Nothing is more humbling then seeing mother nature's force.

It really does put things into perspective. As bad as it sounds, when you hear about something like this you can't help but think "Thank God it wasn't here"...certainly makes me appreciate what I have more.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-11-2011, 09:19 AM
APS, do you remember the quake here last June? That was like the scariest 30 seconds of my life, and that was a 5.5 I think. Couldn't imagine an 8.9 like that.

A Perfect Score
03-11-2011, 09:26 AM
APS, do you remember the quake here last June? That was like the scariest 30 seconds of my life, and that was a 5.5 I think. Couldn't imagine an 8.9 like that.

Yeah I was in Ottawa too, not at home. It was scary as hell, I thought someone blew up the Parliament Buildings or something.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-11-2011, 09:41 AM
Yeah I was in Ottawa too, not at home. It was scary as hell, I thought someone blew up the Parliament Buildings or something.

I was at work, and all of a sudden the store starts shaking, and I'm like what the hell is going on? Then once it stopped, I was just so rattled. Like I could not focus at all. I had to take my break way early just so I could compose myself, and call home to make sure everything was alright. People at work actually thought it was a dynamite blast at first.

ElectricEye
03-11-2011, 09:51 AM
Stay safe west coast bros. This is some crazy stuff.

Halsey
03-11-2011, 10:02 AM
Can people post links to live news on this earthquake. The Aljazeera coverage is amazing, but there's got to be more. Any live coverage from Oregon that anyone knows of? Is Hawaii in danger?

edit: Hawaii coverage: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/category.asp?C=176904&nav=menu55_1_1

edit: BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

Don Vito
03-11-2011, 10:05 AM
Jesus. Nothing is more humbling then seeing mother nature's force.

This is the truth.

Halsey
03-11-2011, 10:16 AM
http://www.valleynewslive.com/Global/story.asp?S=14231634

Residents evacuated near a nuclear power plant in Japan. It at least sounds like they've got everything under control, but damn is it scary to think of what could happen if an earthquake hit a nuclear plant hard. It's tempting to believe nuclear plants are prepared for something like that, but people also thought the Twin Towers could absorb a plane slamming into them. Nobody thought those towers were gonna fall until they fell.

Nalej
03-11-2011, 10:29 AM
Last I heard, the Nuke plant's plans weren't going as planned.
If they can't get adequate cooling for the reactors, hopefully the waterline is high enough to provide a sufficient heat sink.
We don't want to add a meltdown and radiation to this equation.

I have a lot of friends stationed in the Japan. News outlet is reporting the military bases and ports were untouched by all this.

This is one of the worst things I've ever witnessed. My heart goes to all out there.

LizardState
03-11-2011, 11:41 AM
This is crazy. Seeing the videos where the shoreline recedes are amazing. Nature is an unbelievable force.

Luckily all the friends and family (from my white side as weird as it seems) are in Tokyo where there wasn't that much damage. It seems like all the earthquake proofing they did paid off. I can't imagine how bad California would be if it was hit with something like that. So many buildings not built to code out here.

Hopefully Taiwan doesn't get hit too hard. My whole side of my mom's family lives in Taipei. I might have to stay up now.

that's a 13 foot wave that would travel further into shore (basically travelling approximately to the point just above 13 feet elvation, depending on the speed of the wave as well as the ocean terrain before the shore as well as the terrain of the land the water is overtaking.

Whole damn fishing boats lifted on to piers here in upper California, Santa Cruz & Monterey Bay to be exact. The tsunami affected the entire biggest ocean on the planet.

killxswitch
03-11-2011, 11:43 AM
The US sent some coolant to Japan via Airforce to help the Japanese get their nuclear problems under control. My prayers are with the people of Japan. The waves hitting the coast are unbelievable.

killxswitch
03-11-2011, 11:46 AM
What's scary is that aftershocks could come at any time. Think about the quake in NZ, the original was in the 7s but the primary aftershock was still in the 6s. An aftershock of an 8.9 could still be equally catastrophic depending on location.

Ness
03-11-2011, 12:15 PM
Dang. I hope nothing happens here now.

Crickett
03-11-2011, 01:24 PM
So CNN is reporting Japan was just hit by another 6.2 magnitude earthquake. ****.

Brent
03-11-2011, 01:26 PM
when you see a flaming house riding a wave, you know **** is getting real.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2011, 01:40 PM
So CNN is reporting Japan was just hit by another 6.2 magnitude earthquake. ****.

From what I'm hearing they had three aftershocks over 7.0 one of which was a 7.9. Its just crazy stuff.

D-Unit
03-11-2011, 01:43 PM
http://media2.newsobserver.com/smedia/2011/03/11/07/Earthquake_and_Tsunami_Hit_Japan___03.11.11_vN93d_ Ny_01A.standalone.prod_affiliate.156.jpg

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Philliez01
03-11-2011, 01:47 PM
I know it sounds cliche, but I can't believe what I'm looking at is real. Like, it just seems so catastrophic.

I remember hearing on CNN when the debris wave started destroying everything in its path that most of the people in its path had no idea about what was going on. Also, I saw one truck driving frantically trying to get away then I guess the driver realized he wasn't making it and just stopped. Five seconds later, swept up.

TitleTown088
03-11-2011, 01:49 PM
JhJzdtzl6KY

Good engineering.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2011, 01:53 PM
From what I'm hearing they had three aftershocks over 7.0 one of which was a 7.9. Its just crazy stuff.

To expand on this... since the 8.9 earthquake, there have been 96 aftershocks over 5.0 on the Richter scale. 96... think about that, and that's just over 5.0.

D-Unit
03-11-2011, 01:58 PM
http://totallycoolpix.com/2011/03/japan-hit-by-massive-earthquake-and-tsunami/

Speechless.

KCJ58
03-11-2011, 02:00 PM
http://totallycoolpix.com/2011/03/japan-hit-by-massive-earthquake-and-tsunami/

Speechless.


How were you effected, by the Tsunami evacuation? are you high up enough to not have worried?

D-Unit
03-11-2011, 02:05 PM
How were you effected, by the Tsunami evacuation? are you high up enough to not have worried?
Nadda. Came into work late is all. We had a Tsunami warning, Safeway was PACKED last night, but thankfully it was not terrible. There was some damage in the boat harbors, but everyone on land is fine.

Forenci
03-11-2011, 02:32 PM
Just unreal. Thoughts go out to all those affected by this.

jetron26
03-11-2011, 02:35 PM
watch tsunami in japan update live streaming at

www.tsunami-live-streaming.blogspot.com i wish i got the power to help them.

D-Unit
03-11-2011, 02:45 PM
watch tsunami in japan update live streaming at

www.tsunami-live-streaming.blogspot.com i wish i got the power to help them.
1st post? wow. welcome.

jayceheathman
03-11-2011, 03:32 PM
They are reporting a 30 foot wave here, so maybe they messed up? Anyways, the stock market should be interesting today. Tsunami in Japan and shots fired at a demonstration in Saudi Arabia yesterday. Fun stuff... :s

Yet the stock market is up almost 1%. haha

Vikes99ej
03-11-2011, 04:21 PM
I hope this means all anime related boards on 4chan have been compromised.

The Unseen
03-12-2011, 12:25 PM
So the nuclear reactor had an explosion. Even if it's being kept under control, which is likely, it's the third worst nuclear plant disaster behind Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. People within a 20-km (12.6 mile) radius have been evacuated.

Also, the earthquake has been updated to have been a 9.1. Worst ever recorded was a 9.5 in 1960 in Chile.

CashmoneyDrew
03-12-2011, 02:04 PM
It knocked the earth off it's axis by 10 inches I think I read.

BoneKrusher
03-12-2011, 02:12 PM
it just looks and seems so unreal, something Ron Howard might create for a movie.
all i can say is WOW!

Babylon
03-12-2011, 02:20 PM
Nadda. Came into work late is all. We had a Tsunami warning, Safeway was PACKED last night, but thankfully it was not terrible. There was some damage in the boat harbors, but everyone on land is fine.

We had a 6.8 earthquake in Seattle back in 01, it was ####ing scary enough. I was at work in a 15 story building downtown and the thing was shaking like one wouldnt believe.

I heard there were some 12 ft breakers out there, you get the board out?

Forenci
03-12-2011, 02:26 PM
It knocked the earth off it's axis by 10 inches I think I read.

10 centimeters. It also moved the Japanese coastline by 8 feet.

Shahin
03-13-2011, 04:24 AM
http://www.realnewsreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/falloutmap.jpg

Oh, cool.

kalbears13
03-13-2011, 04:48 AM
http://www.realnewsreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/falloutmap.jpg

Oh, cool.

I'm curious to know what that means.

DoughBoy
03-13-2011, 05:15 AM
I'm curious to know what that means.

I'm pretty sure anything over 150 rems can kill in a matter of days, IDK if 75 is that serious though.

Shahin
03-13-2011, 06:12 AM
All i know is i don't like it. lol?

fenikz
03-13-2011, 06:28 AM
umm wtf why arent people telling me about this

Shahin
03-13-2011, 06:32 AM
you probably can't handle the truth?

fenikz
03-13-2011, 06:35 AM
at least 10,000 people missing right now an death toll could be in the 20,000s

Halsey
03-13-2011, 01:36 PM
So nows there's problems at 4 nuclear plants, including one 50 miles north of Tokyo. This is freaking scary.

Nalej
03-13-2011, 02:16 PM
As a guy who's worked on and with nuclear reactors (operational and maintenance) for over six years, I'll give you my take on what I've read about Japan's reactors.

Tokyo Rx#2- Lost power to one of it's cooling pumps. This makes sense since reactor equipment have different power supplies. You don't want all your equipment powered off the supported RX bc if you lose that one then you lose all power to your cooling supplies. (Emergency diesel's are the backup power source but usually can't supply power to everything. Just emergency equipment) The pump's power probably came from one of the other RX's that are now shutdown. This plant has already stated that they have full cooling capabilities. So the lost power to the pump is a non-issue.

Onagawa- An emergency was set bc local radiation levels were exceeded. From my knowledge, local radiation levels are always ridiculously low anyways. What I think is: They're struggling with cooling the plant so an over-pressure condition probably occured. So you have to vent off the RX (releasing radioactive water) to atmosphere to keep the pressure under control. Not ideal but not dangerous though.

Unit 3 of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear complex- They had an explosion due to hydrogen buildup. Hydrogen is something you constantly monitor bc explosive possibility. They say the H buildup was caused by their cooling efforts. H is something you should be constantly monitoring anyways during normal plant ops so I'm guessing in the frenzy to try and cool the plant, they ignored this and eventually the H built up enough to cause an explosion.
-Also, they have flooded the core with sea water and Boric acid. Boron absorbs neutrons, thereby eliminating fission and the sea water obviously cools the core but at the same time destroys it.

With what I've read, that graphic that someone posted is just 100% ********. While this is terrible and some radioactivity has escaped, no one is in danger of losing their life.


"At Chernobyl the reactor had reached a huge increase inpower, there was no safety container and there was not enoughtime to evacuate people," he told Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera.

"At Fukushima, the reactor was turned off, there was a safety container and there was enough time to move away the surrounding population."

Forenci
03-13-2011, 02:36 PM
Thanks for the info, Nalej. I think people are already freaking out too much right now. It sounds like things have calmed down there quite a bit.

That map seemed highly speculative and from the sounds of it the reactor is no where near a full blown meltdown. At worst, it might effect the local area a bit.

killxswitch
03-13-2011, 04:20 PM
Thanks for the info, Nalej. I think people are already freaking out too much right now. It sounds like things have calmed down there quite a bit.

That map seemed highly speculative and from the sounds of it the reactor is no where near a full blown meltdown. At worst, it might effect the local area a bit.

The posting of that map seems highly irresponsible. I don't mean on SWDC, but wherever it was originally posted.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-13-2011, 04:31 PM
The posting of that map seems highly irresponsible. I don't mean on SWDC, but wherever it was originally posted.

What, you mean suggesting the entire Western half of Canada and the United States would be facing large quantities of deadly radiation with little to no evidence of such is considered irresponsible?

Wootylicous
03-13-2011, 04:43 PM
Sooooo I got news from my family..! Everyone is ok!

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-13-2011, 04:43 PM
Sooooo I got news from my family..! Everyone is ok!

That's great! I was worried when we hadn't heard from you in here for a while. Excellent news!

killxswitch
03-13-2011, 04:50 PM
Sooooo I got news from my family..! Everyone is ok!

Glad to hear that Wooty. What a nightmare situation for you and your family, I'm glad they're ok.

Brent
03-13-2011, 04:53 PM
my friend in Oita has informed me that people freaking out about a "nuclear meltdown" are only western media outlets. the Japanese are not very concerned.

Halsey
03-13-2011, 04:56 PM
Maybe nothing will happen with the reactors, but I'm not getting too comfortable yet. People can be arrogant. Nobody thought the Titanic would sink and the Twins Towers were supposed to withstand a jet crashing into them.

fenikz
03-13-2011, 04:59 PM
I'm ready for a Fallout 3 type of world(anyone play the new one?)

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-13-2011, 05:01 PM
my friend in Oita has informed me that people freaking out about a "nuclear meltdown" are only western media outlets. the Japanese are not very concerned.

Western media being sensationalist? NO WAI

Forenci
03-13-2011, 05:19 PM
Sooooo I got news from my family..! Everyone is ok!

Woo! Glad to hear Wooty. I'm sure it just took some time reach them with all the craziness going on.

In other news, it does seem the reactor situation has calmed down a bit. Still, it's pretty scary to think they may have come close to a meltdown. I'm sure a lot of it was media hyper as the Japanese haven't seem worried about this since it started, but it still makes me wonder about the viability of nuclear power.

The Unseen
03-13-2011, 05:42 PM
Sooooo I got news from my family..! Everyone is ok!

Great news. How are their belongings and their general material situation?

Wootylicous
03-13-2011, 05:46 PM
Everything is gone from what they told me.

Nalej
03-13-2011, 08:44 PM
Maybe nothing will happen with the reactors, but I'm not getting too comfortable yet. People can be arrogant. Nobody thought the Titanic would sink and the Twins Towers were supposed to withstand a jet crashing into them.

Those examples don't really fit what's happening in Japan.
Those were assumptions about the Titanic and Twin Towers based on engineering/design.
These are evaluations about the reactors after the catastrophe. Not before.

It's not like everything's perfect. They had an explosion (not from the core) and a partial meltdown (significantly different from an all out meltdown. The interior of the core went to **** but the fuel is still all contained within though.)
but nothing to the extent that some people are making it (i.e. that graphic showed earlier)

I haven't read anything on it since this morning. So excuse me if things have changed significantly.

RealityCheck
03-13-2011, 09:25 PM
The newscast here in Brazil just said that a new tsunami is coming within the next hour. Don't know if it's true, though.

It's sad. Japan is such an awesome country, I really want to visit it once.

The_Dude
03-13-2011, 09:34 PM
local news here in mn is reporting that, too.

Scotty D
03-13-2011, 09:36 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

BBC says two new explosions at reactor 3.

TitleTown088
03-13-2011, 11:57 PM
my friend in Oita has informed me that people freaking out about a "nuclear meltdown" are only western media outlets. the Japanese are not very concerned.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Article_2011-03-13-AS-Japan-Earthquake-Nuclear-Crisis/id-545552db9e3549669117948e29b8226a

Yeah, I bet they're not concerned?

I think the response and evacuation of nearly 200,000 people clearly indicate they're concerned.

eaglesalltheway
03-14-2011, 06:27 AM
It's good to hear that your family is ok Woot, unfortunate that they lost their belongings, but considering what we've seen out of this whole situation, everyone being fine and healthy is the best possible outcome.

Nalej
03-14-2011, 07:25 AM
http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/

Here's a good explanation about what happened with the reactors.
A Dr. from MIT

brat316
03-14-2011, 09:31 AM
What about that Volcano did it pop off yet?

TitleTown088
03-14-2011, 09:52 AM
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid35146470001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAACC1laJk~,tMO2d6O4m idjZXg1vCvdWWjRZdwrH9hC&bctid=825079298001

dang.

The Unseen
03-14-2011, 10:01 AM
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Article_2011-03-13-AS-Japan-Earthquake-Nuclear-Crisis/id-545552db9e3549669117948e29b8226a

Yeah, I bet they're not concerned?

I think the response and evacuation of nearly 200,000 people clearly indicate they're concerned.

That's precautionary measures 'cause they are at least concerned to be precautionary and to stop the reactors from melting down. But Brent is saying that they aren't freaking out like some of the Western media.

TitleTown088
03-14-2011, 10:28 AM
That's precautionary measures 'cause they are at least concerned to be precautionary and to stop the reactors from melting down. But Brent is saying that they aren't freaking out like some of the Western media.

And precautionary measures most certainly indicate concern, obviously.

In all fairness I'm sure that is what Brent meant to imply, but his wording implied otherwise. He said, " the Japanese aren't very concerned", Not that " the Japanese are not freaking out as much as western journalists".

Brent
03-14-2011, 10:51 AM
In all fairness I'm sure that is what Brent meant to imply, but his wording implied otherwise. He said, " the Japanese aren't very concerned", Not that " the Japanese are not freaking out as much as western journalists".
I meant to imply what you assumed. I apologize for the wording. What's interesting to me is that they were talking about the concern of steam pressure causing that eruption and it did indeed happen, so you have to wonder what other concerns will come true.

As far as western media goes, I just think it's ridiculous to assume that they wouldn't take every possible precaution to prevent radiation leakage, which is the lazy story that news outlets are running with.

TitleTown088
03-14-2011, 11:02 AM
I meant to imply what you assumed. I apologize for the wording. What's interesting to me is that they were talking about the concern of steam pressure causing that eruption and it did indeed happen, so you have to wonder what other concerns will come true.

As far as western media goes, I just think it's ridiculous to assume that they wouldn't take every possible precaution to prevent radiation leakage, which is the lazy story that news outlets are running with.



I'm listening to NPR WYNC right now and they're calling it "Japan's Nuclear Disaster". As if it's a foregone conclusion there is already a devastating disaster.

Brent
03-14-2011, 12:19 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm

this is really cool.

LizardState
03-14-2011, 02:17 PM
6 fishing boats, big ones, lost in Santa Cruz & Monterey Bay, CA. These were some very big boats, never to be seen again.

http://www.mercurynews.com/central-coast/ci_17591372?nclick_check=1

3 people washed out to sea with the undertow of the coming wave at the Klamath River mouth in Oregon, 2 were saved, one missing.

http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_17605586

IDK if the photographer who wanted to take pics on the beach there when a wave hit was one of the survivors or not.

eaglesalltheway
03-14-2011, 03:49 PM
Just further proof (if you want to call it proof) that the whole nuclear meltdown situation is being overblown. I worked at a house today where the husband works at a (relatively) nearby nuclear plant, and I was talking about some of the things I had read from here and a few other places, and the wife told us how her husband says much of the same, its way overblown, and the person they have reporting that things are "borderline meltdown" etc. is just there to stir the pot.

TitleTown088
03-14-2011, 04:48 PM
Just further proof (if you want to call it proof) that the whole nuclear meltdown situation is being overblown. I worked at a house today where the husband works at a (relatively) nearby nuclear plant, and I was talking about some of the things I had read from here and a few other places, and the wife told us how her husband says much of the same, its way overblown, and the person they have reporting that things are "borderline meltdown" etc. is just there to stir the pot.

I don't disagree. But how is that proof? Just because that guy works at a nuclear plant he has information or insight into what's going on in some random Japanese plant at any given moment?

That's simply renouncing the media on the same grounds of conjecture they're criticized for operating with.

TitleTown088
03-14-2011, 05:55 PM
LOS ANGELES (AP) The U.S. Geological Survey has upgraded the magnitude of Friday's deadly earthquake in Japan to 9.0

The move Monday comes after Japan's Meteorological Agency did the same. It's not unusual for scientists to tweak the magnitude of a giant quake after some number-crunching.

U.S. government scientists originally put the Japan quake at 8.9. The change to 9.0 means that the quake was about 1.5 times stronger than initially thought.

The Japan quake is now the fourth largest in the world since 1900 behind the 2004 magnitude-9.1 Sumatra quake.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Article_2011-03-14-Japan%20Earthquake-Magnitude/id-2c26c80855894f5f973bd5d24ad0dc22

diabsoule
03-14-2011, 06:19 PM
New explosion at the #2 reactor at the nuclear facility just being reported.

Crickett
03-14-2011, 07:26 PM
wpFg52bpzZM

eaglesalltheway
03-14-2011, 07:32 PM
I don't disagree. But how is that proof? Just because that guy works at a nuclear plant he has information or insight into what's going on in some random Japanese plant at any given moment?

That's simply renouncing the media on the same grounds of conjecture they're criticized for operating with.

Hence what is in quatations, lol. His wife also said they did have Japanese Nuclear Engineers visit his plant to examine how it runs because they were able to increase the energy output without doing this one thing that I couldn't understand, lol. Its just another voice contradicting what the news wants us to hear, and I'm sure as time goes on, we'll hear more voices speaking up.

Either that or it'll meltdown and I'll eat crow with the rest of those voices, haha.

Nalej
03-14-2011, 08:04 PM
I'm seeing on Facebook alot that one of the reactor vessels has cracked and fuel is exposed... is this true?
I can't find anything on that

fear the elf
03-14-2011, 08:58 PM
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1605260179420&comments

Not sure how to embed a video I can only find on FB, but this is pretty crazy.

Crickett
03-14-2011, 09:29 PM
reactor's on its way to full failure now...

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110314-716066.html

So, what are the odds the fallout reaches the U.S.? :(

Crickett
03-14-2011, 09:37 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake_nuclear_crisis

SOMA, Japan Radiation is spewing from damaged reactors at a crippled nuclear power plant in tsunami-ravaged northeastern Japan in a dramatic escalation of the 4-day-old catastrophe. The prime minister has warned residents to stay inside or risk getting radiation sickness.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Tuesday that a fourth reactor at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex was on fire and that more radiation was released

Oh ****. Oh ****. Oh ****. Oh ****.

killxswitch
03-14-2011, 10:14 PM
i think low. a huge amount of **** would have to go perfectly (horribly?) wrong for that to occur. imo, at least.

The 8.9 earthquake, 1000+ aftershocks, multiple giant waves, and multiple nuclear failures that have happened so far are a great start toward that, wouldn't you say?

Still there is so much conflicting info out there I am not sure what to think.

CashmoneyDrew
03-14-2011, 10:15 PM
Don't forget the volcano.

Forenci
03-14-2011, 11:01 PM
i dunno, i think it's insane that a 40+ year old reactor could actually still end up mostly ok after all this.

but i'm thinking more about the perfect storm of, well, storms that it would take to drag radiaton here.

I think it's possible, but by the time it reached the west coast it would be essentially nothing to worry about. Granted, I'm not highly educated on the topic, and maybe someone more knowledgeable could explain, but this isn't a Chernobyl situation where the radiation cloud is all centralized in one densely populated area like Europe.

TitleTown088
03-14-2011, 11:37 PM
CBSNews

French Embassy says low-level radioactive wind from the nuclear reactor in could reach Tokyo within 10 hours http://bit.ly/dYzMYT #japan

CBSNews

Japan chief cabinet sec Yukio Edano: fire at Reactor 4; harmful radiation; Stay indoors, in 20~30km radius of plants. http://bit.ly/dYzMYT

CBSNews

At shelter in #sendai, workers announce all must avoid todays rain, as it carries nuclear radiation http://bit.ly/gHXKoU

Reuters

Radiation levels rise four-fold at stricken Japan reactor http://t.co/p1DxCAs

Reuters Top News Reuters

FLASH: Corrected: Japan PM says possibility of leakage (not meltdown) increasing

Reuters Top News Reuters

FLASH: Reactor operator confirms fire near reactor building of Daiichi No.4 unit

AP
Official says slightly elevated radiation levels detected in Tokyo, no health threat so far. http://apne.ws/eWKMgY - VW

Really hope this is the media over reacting ( although the government is beginning to chime in). String of events does not sound like it's going well as of right now though. Hopefully it all stay's "low-level"?

Nalej
03-14-2011, 11:51 PM
http://www.facebook.com/notes/aaron-speagle/the-situation-at-japanese-nuclear-power-plants/10150124181084029

Here's another good read by a professor from Penn State. A Dr from the Nuke Eng dept.

I agree with njx9, the chances are slim to none that a major radiantion leak occurs.
Chornobyl was operating at high powers and wasn't in a containment compartment.
Japan's cores were scrammed (off) and are surrounded by two or three containment compartments
Most of the heat from the core are just residual fission fragments decaying away.
They are circulating seawater through the cores and as time passes, the,fission fragments die out and all this worry will be gone.

It really bothers me that they aren't saying what the radiation levels are.
It takes a significant amount before you start getting redding of the skin and rad sickness
The majority of local and plant limits are still really low in the grand scheme of things.
So when you hear that this or that limit was exceeded, it really doesn't mean much.
In the Navy Nuke plants, we were forced to wear anti-radiation suits if just the slightest bit of radiation was present. It's quite overkill.
So when the public hears these things, they always assume the worse.

StickSkills
03-15-2011, 12:24 AM
LOL, I know the one guy that commented on that note.

SRK85
03-15-2011, 01:06 AM
Well some Japanese students I know from Miyagi are ok. However I heard that they are still lacking food and water. On top of that the threat of a Nuclear Meltdown is grave. Many people are worried that they will be exposed to radiation.

TitleTown088
03-15-2011, 08:08 AM
Reuters Top News Reuters

FLASH: Japan nuclear safety agency: Two 8-metre holes in wall of Fukushima No.4 outer building after blast

Reuters

FLASH: French nuclear agency says Fukushima nuclear accident is level 6 on INES scale - Kyodo

Reuters Top News Reuters

FLASH: Chernobyl nuclear disaster was rated at the maximum level 7 on the INES scale

No idea how that that INES scale operates, but:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Dd0b_gIcjK8/TXurEdMveoI/AAAAAAAAEcM/wkIK2baKx7U/s1600/ines.JPG
http://www.jnes.go.jp/content/000006121.jpg

Also,

Reuters

FLASH: Magnitude 6.2 earthquake hits eastern Japan - TV

brat316
03-15-2011, 10:46 AM
TT you are really freaking out over this whole nuclear thing.

Nalej
03-15-2011, 10:55 AM
Is that an official label for the Japan situation or is that just what France thinks?
There are so many conflicting reports, it's hard to know what the real picture is over there

TitleTown088
03-15-2011, 11:08 AM
TT you are really freaking out over this whole nuclear thing.

More interested in it than freaking out I would say.

J-Mike88
03-15-2011, 11:45 AM
LOL @ the people here far away from it who are pretending like this is just a little issue, that the media is creating it all, and that the people who are worried for Japan are "freaking out".

This is a huge *** deal and potentially 1000x more devastating than both the earthquake+tsunami.

Radiation exposure doesn't automatically kill people instantly or turn their skin red right away.

Various levels of exposure can result in cancers showing up down the road, 5, 10, 15, 20 years later.

I trust reports and readings from the scene over there a lot more than any of our local "experts" who are going by what they've dealt with in their life or read.

The US Navy is pretty tough-guy mentality and they backed away real fast because of the radiation levels. And they've gotten a lot lot worse since then.

LizardState
03-15-2011, 11:49 AM
Japan before & after.

Toggle the cursor over the Before images to see the effects after.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm

eaglesalltheway
03-15-2011, 12:00 PM
lol at the people far away from it who don't have any vague clue what they're talking about freaking out like the world is ending immediately.



yes, you know, those of us who have READ what those experts have written. i know that's an insanely difficult concept to get your head around, but try real hard to, you know, think about it for a few minutes.



well there's some hard evidence.

these are the times when you should stop and ask, 'why did i post this drivel when i could've just said nothing and let whatever handful of people still think i'm credible continue to do so?'
njx, you just saved me about that ^^^ much typing... lol.

Yes lets blindly follow the news (which coincidentally, is as vague and contradictory about the whole situation as possible) when we could follow the advice of people who understand what these types of plants are like, understnad the science behind what goes on, as well as the construction and engineering of these plants. But if you want to follow someone who gets paid to read off of a screen, go ahead, be my guest.

J-Mike88
03-15-2011, 12:14 PM
Right, I'm going to trust a football moderator more than experts over there. Because you're a super-mod on a football message board.
And people like LL who raise these points are referred to as "freaking out".
Funny.
Tuesdau, 3/15, 11:45 CST:
SOMA, Japan Dangerous levels of radiation leaking from a crippled nuclear plant forced Japan to order 140,000 people to seal themselves indoors Tuesday after an explosion and a fire dramatically escalated the crisis spawned by a deadly tsunami.

In a nationally televised statement, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said radiation had spread from the four stricken reactors of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant along Japan's northeastern coast......Japanese officials told the International Atomic Energy Agency that the reactor fire was in a fuel storage pond an area where used nuclear fuel is kept cool and that "radioactivity is being released directly into the atmosphere."
Late Tuesday, officials at the plant said they were considering asking for help from the U.S. and Japanese militaries to spray water from helicopters into the pool.
Though Kan and other officials urged calm, Tuesday's developments fueled a growing panic in Japan and around the world amid widespread uncertainty over what would happen next. In the worst case scenario, one or more of the reactor cores would completely melt down, a disaster that could spew large amounts of radioactivity into the atmosphere. "I worry a lot about fallout," said Yuta Tadano, a 20-year-old pump technician at the Fukushima plant, who said he was in the complex when the quake hit.
Amid concerns about radiation, Austria moved its embassy from Tokyo to Osaka.

Meanwhile, Air China and China Eastern Airlines canceled flights to Tokyo and two cities in the disaster area. Germany's Lufthansa airlines is also diverting its two daily flights to Tokyo to other Japanese cities.
Right, but it's just the western MEDIA and people like us who are concerned... right. Generalize much? Oh wait, of course you do.

J-Mike88
03-15-2011, 12:19 PM
Yes lets blindly follow the news (which coincidentally, is as vague and contradictory about the whole situation as possible) when we could follow the advice of people who understand what these types of plants are like, understnad the science behind what goes on, as well as the construction and engineering of these plants. But if you want to follow someone who gets paid to read off of a screen, go ahead, be my guest.
Yeah, I think I'll trust the experts over there a little more than the college kids here thank you very much.
I'll trust the Japanese prime minister, the plant experts, the IAEA people more than you, njx, and nalej, who last I heard, weren't over there taking readings and evacuating tens of thousands of people.

Nice try again though.

VoteLynnSwan
03-15-2011, 12:30 PM
None of those quotes indicates the levels of radiation being released. People are going to be evacuated as a precaution regardless of the levels of radiation being released.

I should hope that they would ask for help... but it also just indicates that they're "considering" asking for help.

Widespread panic is hardly an indicator of an issue. People panic over anything...

And yes... those are media reports which are clearly exaggerating the issues, as all the officials and experts aren't nearly as concerned as the media seems to be.

So while I can't comment on whether or not this is something to really be concerned about or not... I'd hardly take anything the media says at face value.

eaglesalltheway
03-15-2011, 12:48 PM
Yeah, I think I'll trust the experts over there a little more than the college kids here thank you very much.
I'll trust the Japanese prime minister, the plant experts, the IAEA people more than you, njx, and nalej, who last I heard, weren't over there taking readings and evacuating tens of thousands of people.

Nice try again though.

I'm talking about articles I've read from people who work in the nuclear field, as well as nalej's experiences, as well as a conversation I had with an engineer at a regional nuclear plant earlier today. Read the articles put out here in this thread objectively, instead of fearing the worst right away. Most people aren't getting their info from other college people on here, I'm reading some of the articles posted in thsi thread as well as others, and until this morning, things were generally ok. Now with the explosion potentially cusing the primary containment chambers to fail, that worsens the situation's potential outcomes a bit, but still,we are not dealing with a Chernobyl right now, not even close.

As far as people using generalizations, I know I and njx at least are not speaking solely in generalizations. Look at our posts and look at yours, we are using terminolgy used in the field because we have actually become at least somewhat familiar with them (maybe njx is a super genious and knew already, idk, he is a super-mod, after all ;))... and then look at yours. Not once have you even mentioned anything about any specific aspect of how "good" or "bad" the situation is, your just regurgitating what you've heard on the news (which has never gotten a story wrong ever, right?) without looking into things for yourself.

J-Mike88
03-15-2011, 12:49 PM
So while I can't comment on whether or not this is something to really be concerned about or not... I'd hardly take anything the media says at face value.
Right, the statements I quoted and bolded were not Tom Brokaw or Brian Williams or Bill O'Reilly or Katie Couric's words.
They were from the IAEA people, the Prime Minister of Japan, etc.
If you don't think they have a better idea what's happening than someone like Wolf Blitzer or even, gulp, njx9, then I don't know what else to tell you.

brat316
03-15-2011, 12:54 PM
"These measures are strictly precautionary in nature," the Navy's Seventh Fleet said in a statement. "We do not expect that any United States Federal radiation exposure limits will be exceeded even if no precautionary measures are taken."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/us-japan-usa-quake-military-idUSTRE72E66J20110315

brat316
03-15-2011, 01:01 PM
Radiation levels in Kitaibaraki city, about a quarter of the way between the Fukushima plant and Tokyo, fell to 962 nanosieverts per hour as of 1 p.m., from 3,560 nanosieverts at 8:10 a.m., the local government said. That compares with 50 nanosieverts when the measurements began March 13.

“The radiation levels are above normal, but at most only about one-tenth of a chest X-ray,” the government said in a separate statement.

As of 10:22 a.m. local time, 400 millisieverts per hour of radiation were detected at the No. 3 reactor. The exposure limit for a nuclear industry employee is 20 millisieverts a year, according to the World Nuclear Association. A radiation dose of 100 millisieverts a year is the lowest level at which any increase in cancer is evident, the WNA said on its website.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-15/earthquake-strikes-south-of-tokyo-as-northern-survivors-face-cold-weather.html

slightlyaraiderfan
03-15-2011, 01:06 PM
J-Mike, the voice of reason!

eaglesalltheway
03-15-2011, 01:09 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/us-japan-usa-quake-military-idUSTRE72E66J20110315

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-15/earthquake-strikes-south-of-tokyo-as-northern-survivors-face-cold-weather.html

But we should totally believe the news and expect a nuclear disaster, right?

VoteLynnSwan
03-15-2011, 01:26 PM
Right, the statements I quoted and bolded were not Tom Brokaw or Brian Williams or Bill O'Reilly or Katie Couric's words.
They were from the IAEA people, the Prime Minister of Japan, etc.
If you don't think they have a better idea what's happening than someone like Wolf Blitzer or even, gulp, njx9, then I don't know what else to tell you.

really? Because to me... those quoted bits sounded an awful lot like a news report... You also only bolded/highlighted one direct quote... a quote that indicates absolutely no magnitude whatsoever.

Everyone is exposed to radiation every day... it's people like you who don't understand that there is a difference between low levels of radiation being released into the environment, and full on atomic fallout that are panicking here.

People in Japan MAY... MAY become exposed to too much radiation... but I can't comment on that, and neither can you. Until the entire Japanese mainland is ordered to evacuate, I won't be too concerned.

TitleTown088
03-15-2011, 01:32 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-15/earthquake-strikes-south-of-tokyo-as-northern-survivors-face-cold-weather.html
Does it matter if it's 1/10th of the severity if someone is exposed to it for thousands and thousands of times the duration of a medical X-ray or it's ingested somehow though? Not "Freaking out" and saying they have been or will be, but it's something to consider.

Look, I wasn't trying to come in here and insinuate a nuclear disaster, I was wanted to post the updates. I only argued that attitude " the Japanese people aren't very concerned" was absurd, and that was just a matter of words anyway.



Also the US navy backing off and being " tough guys" is not a good example, the US navy can be as tough as they want, but they're not dumb. They're not going to sit a huge ship by something that has any chance of letting off any level of radiation.

Halsey
03-15-2011, 01:48 PM
Yeah, the whole "it's no big deal, I'm tough because I don't freak out and I'm smarter than everybody else" routine is annoying. It's a big deal. Talking about it doesn't mean you're freaking out. Nobody cares about how tough or cool or smart you think you are. There doesn't need to be a nuclear explosion that kills 1,000,000 people for it to be a big deal.

killxswitch
03-15-2011, 01:54 PM
I think there is cause for concern but that the media is using a lot of frightening and irresponsible language that makes the possibility of a catastrophic event appear not just possible but inevitable.

Forenci
03-15-2011, 01:55 PM
Right, I'm going to trust a football moderator more than experts over there. Because you're a super-mod on a football message board.
And people like LL who raise these points are referred to as "freaking out".
Funny.

Right, but it's just the western MEDIA and people like us who are concerned... right. Generalize much? Oh wait, of course you do.

Just because they're evacuating doesn't mean the **** has hit the fan. They would be stupid not to evacuate. It's simply a move to protect the people, regardless of what levels of radiation seep out, or how much radiation they expect to get into the air.

The problem is people like yourself who have zero ******* knowledge of the situation endlessly buy into the media nonsense like their word is law.

Just because they take precautionary measures (as bhaarat has shown in the quote) doesn't mean anything serious has happened or will.

Most of your quotes are from media sources, or sources telling us vague ideas like "the rest of the world is panicking" or "they're asking for help!" You're trying to create a conspiracy theory by connecting incredibly general and non informative statements. It's really useless to the situation at hand, so I apologize if I take the insight of the experts as well as the Japanese officials who have maintained that the situation is under control this entire time as opposed to your shriveling nonsense.

That doesn't mean people shouldn't be concerned. A nuclear accident is nothing to take lightly, in an capacity, which is why everyone takes these precautions.

eaglesalltheway
03-15-2011, 01:58 PM
Its not about being smart or tough, its about being well read. If you read up on things, take an interest in it and gain knowledge from different perspectives, yes in turn will will gain more knowledge, but its not like anyone on here is secretly planning to read up on this "so we can be smarter" and make people feel dumb. But when people act like only part of the story is what needs to be focused on, without putting it into perspective or focusing on the rest of the details, it does no one any good.

LizardState
03-15-2011, 02:04 PM
Japan before & after.

Toggle the cursor over the Before images to see the effects after.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm

Quoting myself here for benefit of the skeptics...Why? b/c the satellite camera eye does not lie. Look at the after of the same territory & judge for yourself.

As far as people using generalizations, I know I and njx at least are not speaking solely in generalizations. Look at our posts and look at yours, we are using terminolgy used in the field because we have actually become at least somewhat familiar with them (maybe njx is a super genious and knew already, idk, he is a super-mod, after all ;))... and then look at yours. Not once have you even mentioned anything about any specific aspect of how "good" or "bad" the situation is, your just regurgitating what you've heard on the news (which has never gotten a story wrong ever, right?) without looking into things for yourself.

eagles: note the bolded statement & wipe that brown stain off your nose right now.

eaglesalltheway
03-15-2011, 02:06 PM
Quoting myself here for benefit of the skeptics...Why? b/c the satellite camera eye does not lie. Look at the after of the same territory & judge for yourself.



eagles: note the bolded statement & wipe that brown stain off your nose right now.

That was a semi-facetious comment (see previos post), I should have put /sarcasm after it, lol.

*Nervously awaits the fists of justice raining down from njx*

Shahin
03-15-2011, 02:07 PM
Why are you guys spending all your time in this thread bitching at Jmike instead of talking about the actual issue at hand?

Of course there's going to be some people who freak out a little bit more than others. Not everyone has the steel nuts that njx possesses. The more we know about it, the better and all he's doing is posting a bunch of info about the ******* thing and previous nuclear incidents.

BRAVEHEART
03-15-2011, 02:12 PM
Its not about being smart or tough, its about being well read. If you read up on things, take an interest in it and gain knowledge from different perspectives, yes in turn will will gain more knowledge, but its not like anyone on here is secretly planning to read up on this "so we can be smarter" and make people feel dumb. But when people act like only part of the story is what needs to be focused on, without putting it into perspective or focusing on the rest of the details, it does no one any good.

I thought that's what we were trying to do in the PM you sent me?

fenikz
03-15-2011, 02:14 PM
that was actually just a conspiracy to get you leaking information about another conspiracy

eaglesalltheway
03-15-2011, 02:16 PM
Why are you guys spending all your time in this thread bitching at Jmike instead of talking about the actual issue at hand?

Of course there's going to be some people who freak out a little bit more than others. Not everyone has the steel nuts that njx possesses. The more we know about it, the better and all he's doing is posting a bunch of info about the ******* thing and previous nuclear incidents.

I have no problems with TT's posts at all, he's has done nothing other than post futher information he has heard or read. However, my post before where I mentioned about putting things into perspective, and finding out more about the rest of the facts is one thing I want to bring up again, because bhaarat's posts seem to put the numbers into perspective a bit. TT is at least going about posting his information the right way. Its correct info, hell, he's even citing it directly. But Jmike comes in, high and mighty acting as if people who are a little more reserved about the fears are somehow dumb and/or terrible human beings, when he doesn't know more than his portion of the story.

eaglesalltheway
03-15-2011, 02:16 PM
I thought that's what we were trying to do in the PM you sent me?

Crap I forgot, well now I just look stupid...

TitleTown088
03-15-2011, 02:21 PM
Just because they're evacuating doesn't mean the **** has hit the fan.

Errrr... Where did I imply that anything had hit the fan?

They would be stupid not to evacuate. It's simply a move to protect the people, regardless of what levels of radiation seep out, or how much radiation they expect to get into the air. No kidding?

The problem is people like yourself who have zero ******* knowledge of the situation endlessly buy into the media nonsense like their word is law.

It's not a problem if people like you realize that someone stating what news sources said in order for others to interpret the "news" for themselves is not "buying into the media nonsense".

Just because they take precautionary measures (as bhaarat has shown in the quote) doesn't mean anything serious has happened or will.

No kidding? And again I didn't imply otherwise.

Most of your quotes are from media sources, or sources telling us vague ideas like "the rest of the world is panicking" or "they're asking for help!"

They weren't my quotes

Brent
03-15-2011, 02:27 PM
I can't help but wonder how long it will take for them to clean up those cities. Most of them are reduced to nothing but debris covered in inches of mud.

EDIT: I think he was confusing you, TT, with Jmike.

BRAVEHEART
03-15-2011, 02:27 PM
Crap I forgot, well now I just look stupid...

Naw, they do. We're the smart ones, remember?

eaglesalltheway
03-15-2011, 02:36 PM
I can't help but wonder how long it will take for them to clean up those cities. Most of them are reduced to nothing but debris covered in inches of mud.

EDIT: I think he was confusing you, TT, with Jmike.

That is one of the things I've thought since it happened, I'm sure there are plenty of roads still impassible, leaving not only people, but the equipment necessary to take care of that type of damage, unable to get to where it needs to be. Not to mention all the standing water that is left will bread disease and bugs. Luckily it is still cold enough that there won't be too much bug breeding in that water, but all that standing water, even without bugs is dangerous itself.

Then there is the problem of handling the debris and rebuilding. I'm sure they'll be able to slavage as much as possible, but it will take a lot of time, money and labor to go back into rebuilding these towns that have been hit hard. Im sure there will be a Katrina-like exodus for some of these cities.

D-Unit
03-15-2011, 03:19 PM
i should note that i've posted that i don't think there's a cause for concern here, not that this isn't a potential catastrophe, or that **** can't get dire. look at my first post in the thread.

what i objected to, was J-Mike's post.

if you think it's a reason to freak out, go right ahead. from everything i've looked at (so far as projections go), i see no reason whatsoever to be personally concerned at this point. if i were living in tokyo proper, i'd likely feel differently. if i lived near the plant, i'd probably be seriously concerned and heeding any evac orders. but i'm not.

carry on.
It's only natural to not care that much when it doesn't affect you. So I don't blame you for having that opinion. I don't think it's wrong for people to feel that way. But it was most definitely a catastrophe. It even threw the Earth of it's axis and who knows what that will do to affect the balance of nature? Hopefully it doesn't trigger more natural disasters. It has an effect on the stock market and that has the potential of being far reaching. It has an effect on Japan's economy... and with the way the global economy is so intertwined, there is an unknown there too. For a state like Hawaii that is based so much on Japanese tourists, that will have an immediate impact here. It just sucks to be honest. No, it's not a catastrophe as far as the world coming to and end...it's not a catastrophy as far as hundreds of thousands being killed, but it is pretty damn messed up when hundreds of bodies are washed up on shore, entire towns are vanished and nuclear plants are exploding.

Babylon
03-15-2011, 03:23 PM
Looks like so far it isnt a nuclear catstrophe but you wouldnt get me standing next to one of those suckers.

TitleTown088
03-15-2011, 03:23 PM
It's only natural to not care that much when it doesn't affect you.


For everyone? I don't know if I'd fully agree with that.

I think it's just as natural for some to care about what affects others.

D-Unit
03-15-2011, 03:26 PM
For everyone? I don't know if I'd fully agree with that.

I think it's just as natural for some to care about what affects others.
+rep. That's very true.

TitleTown088
03-15-2011, 03:43 PM
Ok let me state this carefully so I don't come off as freaking out due to the media's grip on my cerebellum.

The evidence so far clearly suggest this will not be like what happened in Chernobyl

But if you look at the fall out map of that event in Ukraine in 1986.

http://www.nelsonthornes.com/secondary/geography/essential/images/geography_news_chenobyl.gif

You can see how things like weather patterns, water currents, atmosphere conditions, and climates could affect fall out area. Considering the population density in the area ( 2 of the top 5 most populated metropolitan areas in the world are relatively close by in Tokyo and Seoul. IF something DID go increasingly wrong the number of people affected could be enormous.

I'll state again for reading comprehension purposes that I'm not insinuating that anythign further will happen, is likely to happen, or even could happen. Just speculating potential and hypothetical.

http://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/3059/3132709/fig14-5_popdensity.GIF

BRAVEHEART
03-15-2011, 03:47 PM
This might be too soon, but am I the only one who gets the Japan Disaster + Akira connection?



http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_koz5cteHAz1qzl9vfo1_400.jpg

D-Unit
03-15-2011, 03:48 PM
i fully agree.

let me clarify:

all i was responding to (regarding a lack of concern) was the fallout spreading to the US. that is completely unconcerning, though i'd be taking a closer look were i in hawaii. i don't believe that we're in any real contamination danger.

otherwise, i've *been* to some of the places in those pictures. the videos, and continuing damage is horrifying.
Yeah, I get that too.

Not catastrophic, but I always wonder... when Obama says we're going to provide them aid and the millions that go into that effort... how does that take away from us while we try to solve our own domestic problems.

Yet, part of me thinks that there will be some good to come out of this as well. If the strength of the US Dollar improves while the Yen's value decreases (it's REAAAALLY strong right now), that would be a good thing for the US. ...and I'm sure American Car companies aren't shedding a tear.

D-Unit
03-15-2011, 03:49 PM
This might be too soon, but am I the only one who gets the Japan Disaster + Akira connection?



http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_koz5cteHAz1qzl9vfo1_400.jpg
http://tuffchin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/japan-tsunami-earthquake-aftermath.jpg

TitleTown088
03-15-2011, 03:51 PM
Yeah, I get that too.
how does that take away from us while we try to solve our own domestic problems.


To be fair, I think a prosperous and stable Japan is generally in America's best interests even if the benefits may not come directly. I know you weren't saying it wasn't, but just mean to point out investment in Japan's "re-development" could benefits the US in the long run I suppose.

BRAVEHEART
03-15-2011, 03:53 PM
I'm not insinuating that it is Akira, will lead to Akira, or even could be Akira. Just speculating potential and hypothetical.

Forenci
03-15-2011, 04:40 PM
Errrr... Where did I imply that anything had hit the fan?

No kidding?



It's not a problem if people like you realize that someone stating what news sources said in order for others to interpret the "news" for themselves is not "buying into the media nonsense".



No kidding? And again I didn't imply otherwise.



They weren't my quotes

Yup, that was my bad. That was meant for J-Mike88, I just ended up quoting you for some reason. It's fixed in the original post. I haven't really had any problems with what you've said thus far, and think it's pretty reasonable. It was more J-Mike relying on extremely vague media generalizations as a cause for serious concern I thought was stupid.

Nalej
03-15-2011, 10:09 PM
Dangerous levels of radiation leaking from a crippled nuclear plant forced Japan to order 140,000 people to seal themselves indoors Tuesday after an explosion

I counter with...

The Kyodo news agency reports that a radiation level of 1,557 microsieverts per hour was registered on Sunday. At this level, one hour's exposure is roughly equivalent to one chest X-ray. Later measurements included 750 microsieverts per hour at 0200 on Monday, and 20 microsieverts per hour at 1145. On a long-haul flight, passengers are exposed to about five microsieverts per hour. However, after Tuesday's explosion, readings at the site rose again beyone safe limits - 400 millisieverts per hour and people living within 20 miles (32km) of the plant were told to stay indoors. Moving away from the source of radiation, measurements quickly tail off, and in Tokyo they were reported to have been higher than normal, but officials said there were no health dangers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12732015

Everything else in that long ass baseless post of yours is garbage.
"They're asking for help", no ****. Their country is destroyed
"Growing panic in Japan and around the world"- you highlighted this? Yes, panic from some people that know better and some obviously that don't.
I'm not saying no one should be concerned... but to attack anyone who isn't ******** his pants like you is dumb

I don't claim to be an expert but just like njx said... we're not listening to the media's generalizations.
We're looking at what the experts are putting out there for us and drawing our own conclusions.
I've already posted two links from two professors who have their doctorates (MIT and Penn State) in Nuclear Engineering that believe the media is blowing it out of proportion.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/aaron-speagle/the-situation-at-japanese-nuclear-power-plants/10150124181084029
http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/

I'm not some random ******* college student who took a class in radiation and is now claiming he knows everything.
I don't know everything but I've started up and shutdown 10 different reactors (6 reactor plants) as a supervisor in the Navy propulsion plants for over 6 years.
I've dealt with high airborne radiation, radioactive spills, found contamination and responded to a steam line rupture among other things.
So excuse me if we get two different perspectives when reading the same news articles.
I had a friend send me the link of a news article titled, "Fuel Exposed"...
After reading it completely, they were just talking about the fuel cladding that's still in the damn pressure vessel (that's inside a protective compartment that's also inside another protective compartment)...
Things like this keep happening...
Half of Asia freaked out bc they thought a radiation warning was real...
turns it, it was fake... that's what happens when people take one thing and run with it without doing their homework
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12745128

As for your "The Navy tough guys backed away"...
You do understand that regardless of nuclear accidents, Naval ships go out to sea when there's bad weather.
The fact that there was an earthquake and it's aftershocks are pretty much earthquakes as well...
It makes ******* sense to keep your ships out to sea since you don't want them damaged from continually getting banged up against the pier.
The only thing I read about the Navy regarding the radiation was that they realigned their aircrafts on the Reagan (CVN 76)...
which, if you didn't know, is powered by two big ass reactors

Anyways...

For those who care and want to compare radiation exposure...
and come up with your own conclusions:

400 millisieverts is equivalent to 40 mrem (US units)
(I received a hell of a lot more than 40 mrem at one time... I'm fine)

These are the following US Rad Worker exposure limits (annual)

5 rem (internal, swallowed), 15 rem (eyes) and 50 rem (skin)
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/cfr/part020/part020-1201.html


Hey, J-Mike... **** you
Go ahead and flip out. Don't act dumb and start calling out my name because I'm not flipping out with you

trkaline
03-15-2011, 11:54 PM
Guys! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND! Its Nuclear energy, if that reactor blows the whole world explodes...

Twiddler
03-16-2011, 12:11 AM
(Nalej's post)
^^^
That. Was. Awesome.

The facebook post and the Brave New Climate were especially well done. Thanks for the effort, and I'll make sure to pass the info on.

This is the most recent article from Brave New Climate and it addresses almost everything that is currently being discussed in the media (from what I can tell, I very well could have missed something).

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/15/fukushima-15-march-summary/

J-Mike88
03-16-2011, 12:11 AM
the Japanese are not very concerned.
Really?
My wife just landed in Hong Kong 24 hours ago and even there they are concerned, and said their family friends in Tokyo are very concerned.

I guess HK, China and Tokyo must get all their news from SWDC or Fox News....


I don't claim to be an expert but just like njx said... we're not listening to the media's generalizations.

We're looking at what the experts are putting out there for us and drawing our own conclusions. .......I've started up and shutdown 10 different reactors (6 reactor plants) as a supervisor in the Navy propulsion plants for over 6 years.
I've dealt with high airborne radiation, radioactive spills, found contamination and responded to a steam line rupture among other things.
Really?
You don't claim to be an expert but you do pretend to be one, and you take what experts are saying and think you know better.... even though you're not personally over there.

If you're smarter than the nuclear experts that BBC, CNN, NHK have on to speak about the situation, then why aren't you on Fox News or Reuters giving your opinion?

I don't claim to be an expert, neither does Wolf Blitzer, Shepard Smith, Sean Hannity, or Brian Williams.
Just because it is their shows that have the experts on, doesn't mean it's media spewing garbage. They know the s**t more than you do. Sorry.

You don't like what they said: That's your problem, not mine.
You attack me for posting it: Again, that's your problem not mine. Don't shoot the messenger.

I don't pretend to know much about these things, only posted info and quotes from people in charge in Japan and people who are experts.

Plus unlike some here who only seem to give a rat's @** if it affects the USA, I do care a lot about the Japanese people. They're some great people, and unlike New Orleans, not tons of looting.

Now, from Australian Wednesday, ABC: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/16/3164949.htm?site=sydney
Engineers are also keeping a close eye on the plant's No. 5 and No. 6 reactors amid fears they could overheat after cooling systems began to fail.

Low levels of radiation have been wafting over Tokyo, prompting some people to flee the capital and triggering growing international alarm at the escalating crisis.

Officials there said radiation was 10 times normal at one point but not a threat to human health in the sprawling high-tech city of 13 million people.

The No. 4 reactor appears to be the most pressing concern for the plant's operators.

Radiation levels have prevented them from getting close enough to pump water in and spent fuel inside is at risk of overheating and spewing yet more radiation into the atmosphere.

A proposal for helicopters to dump boric acid into the reactor is one idea being considered as authorities grapple to keep up with the unfolding crisis which followed Friday's massive earthquake and tsunami.

Boric acid is often used as an antiseptic, insecticide, flame retardant and in nuclear power plants to control the fission rate of uranium.

Kyodo news agency says it could prevent spent fuel rods from "reaching criticality" re-starting a chain reaction.

Kyodo quoted the plant's operator TEPCO as saying that: "'The possibility of recriticality is not zero."

At reactors No. 1 and No. 2, new estimates of damage have emerged.

Reports say the operators of the plant believe 70 per cent of the fuel rods in reactor No. 1 and a third of the rods in reactor No. 2 are damaged, indicating that at least a partial meltdown has occured.
Now, we better all wait for the approval from our resident nuclear expert the Nittany Lion before any of this info quoted can be believed.....

VoteLynnSwan
03-16-2011, 12:40 AM
honestly... everything you post proves the opposite of the point you're trying to make...

"Low levels of radiation", "not a threat to human health"... those things don't sound concerning to me...

yet the media portion of this report is in the language... "unfolding crisis"... this is the kind of sensationalized language meant to invoke panic and fear that we're talking about here...

You bolded the radiation part, but ignored the "low levels of" part... that's the important thing to take away from the article... Low level radiation is being released. Obviously a cause for concern... certainly something to keep an eye on... but definitely not something to panic about.

Panic should only set in if the radiation levels become so high that people living around the reactor site will be permanently displaced.

The Unseen
03-16-2011, 12:59 AM
Yeah, that was a pretty contradictory post.

J-Mike88
03-16-2011, 01:02 AM
Panic should only set in if the radiation levels become so high that people living around the reactor site will be permanently displaced.
OK, let me make this clear, the point I am trying to make:
This is a still evolving situation. Is there cause for serious concern, despite some of our SWDC posters saying otherwise? Hell yes there is.
Is it an all-out nuclear catastrophe yet? No it's not, but the situation is unstable now, as it has been since the quake hit. I don't want to be hearing explanations that say "may have" and "probably".... Japan needs to fly Najef over there and get some definitive answers for that area and the world.

Wed, Mar 16, 1:34 EST
Tokyo (CNN) -- Officials asked workers at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to evacuate temporarily Wednesday after a white cloud of smoke rose above the plant and radiation levels spiked.

Workers were "asked to withdraw to a safe area," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said. Authorities later allowed them to return after radiation levels dropped, the Tokyo Electric Power Company said.

Radiation levels at the plant have surged and dropped repeatedly over the past few days. The most recent spike "probably" occurred "because the containment vessel in reactor No. 3 has been damaged," a spokesman for Japan's nuclear safety agency later told reporters.

Edano said the smoke or vapor above the plant may have been caused by breach in the containment structure around the No. 3 reactor's containment vessel -- the steel and concrete shell that insulates radioactive material inside.

It was the second visible sign of trouble at the earthquake-damaged nuclear plant Wednesday.

Earlier in the day, firefighters battled a blaze in the plant's No. 4 reactor building.

Mr. Goosemahn
03-16-2011, 02:31 AM
Man, most of you are being ignorant. The radiation in Japan will most definitely affect the people there, it's silly to think it won't. Sure, the impact won't be immediate, it'll take some time to incubate/develop, but it'll be devastating. People will die, and there simply won't be any way to stop or contain it.

Of course Japan will take all precautions for their citizens, they have to. This is a crisis, and desperate times call for desperate measures. Radiation is something you shouldn't **** with, it'll come back in the future to bite you in the ass.

But it's ok, you people can keep thinking it'll all be fine and dandy and whatnot, I'll just prepare for the inevitable, knowing that I, and others too, saw it all coming. Radiation can, AND WILL, definitely affect people. To those who think otherwise, please explain how you'll be able to stop this:

http://ramascreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/godzilla.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhq57d7CK31qblgi8.jpg

fenikz
03-16-2011, 02:33 AM
with this!
http://www.bandai.com/powerrangers/mmpr/upload/PR07061A.jpg

Link wishes his ocarina was this ******* sweet

Jvig43
03-16-2011, 06:22 AM
Nalej just offered his insight into the situation, I dont know why people are upset over that. It's like someone brings up good news and people would rather hear they have to panic haha.

J-Mike88
03-16-2011, 09:34 AM
Here's a pretty good level-headed article by Marc Siegel M.D., who is an associate professor of medicine and medical director of Doctor Radio at NYU Langone Medical Center. He might not be as knowledgeable about these things as our Head Moderator, but.....

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/03/15/dr-marc-siegel-calm-carry-japans-radiation-leak-dangerous-fear/#ixzz1GlxWQQ1C

Here's an angle from Australia: http://media.smh.com.au/national/environment-news/australians-exposed-to-radiation-2235518.html

brat316
03-16-2011, 09:46 AM
Sheeett You call Green Power rangers. Well I raise you one,

http://img2.prosperent.com/images/250x250/img.costumecraze.com/images/vendors/disguise/13714-Power-Rangers-Saba-Sword-main.jpg

brat316
03-16-2011, 09:48 AM
should be more concerned about the hydrogen in the air.

TitleTown088
03-16-2011, 11:06 AM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/16/coren.japan.nuclear.heroes.cnn?hpt=C2

These guys are studs for staying there.

59 year old dude near retirement volunteers to go in.

TitleTown088
03-16-2011, 04:09 PM
"Expert" with a more pessimistic view.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The chief of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission says all the water is gone from one of the spent fuel pools at Japan's most troubled nuclear plant. This means there's nothing to stop the fuel rods from getting hotter and ultimately melting down.

The outer shell of the rods could also ignite with enough force to propel the radioactive fuel inside over a wide area.

Gregory Jaczko did not say Wednesday how the information was obtained, but the NRC and U.S. Department of Energy both have experts on site at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex of six reactors.

He says officials believe radiation levels are extremely high, and that could affect workers' ability to stop temperatures from escalating.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Article_2011-03-16-US-Japan-Quake-Spent-Fuel/id-97ef411dd9f94ff5aca0ac0323c7ba4f

ElectricEye
03-16-2011, 04:53 PM
Isn't NaleJ a nuclear engineer for the Navy? I know he said he works on reactors. Pretty sure he's completely qualified to weigh in or something like this, perhaps better than anyone here.

ElectricEye
03-16-2011, 04:56 PM
We better watch out or the nuclear exposure will injure several Packers going into next year.


Look for the J-Mike thread on the subject in the coming days.

Mr. Goosemahn
03-16-2011, 05:39 PM
I don't know squat about nuclear reactors and radiation levels, so I won't pretend I do, but I've got some points/questions.

- Japan has to take all precautions, period, regardless of the severity of the situation. It's always better to be cautious than to be regretful. If it winds up being nothing, fine, big whoop. If people wind up dead and it does become a big deal, oops, we should have done more. I'll always take the former.

- How high are the levels right now? Most reports say "levels could rise," but not "levels are." Don't get me wrong, I do want to know about the future, but just how dangerous are things right now?

- What happens if the levels do rise to a dangerous level, like for people outside of Japan. Is it a "there's nothing you can do about it" situation?

Babylon
03-16-2011, 05:50 PM
We better watch out or the nuclear exposure will injure several Packers going into next year.


Look for the J-Mike thread on the subject in the coming days.

They do get a lot of injuries there.

TitleTown088
03-16-2011, 07:25 PM
nope. random packers fan (sorry TT, i'm not trying to point at you here) watching CNN knows way more about nuclear reactors than people who actually worked on them.

Says the guy who I remember used to have " This is CNN" as his location. ;)

J-Mike88
03-16-2011, 10:49 PM
Isn't NaleJ a nuclear engineer for the Navy? I know he said he works on reactors. Pretty sure he's completely qualified to weigh in or something like this, perhaps better than anyone here.
Right, obviously way more than anyone else here. But not there, in Japan. Not in the world nuclear community. That's my point with him.

He expects us to believe he has access to evidence and analysis over there at those plants, that the people there don't? That the Japanese prime minister doesn't? That the US Navy doesn't....

Again, Nalej is 10x more knowledgeable than all of us combined probably (except the supermod who knows everything -because he's a supermod), about this particular subject. I'm just saying I trust the experts over there, and as guests on CNN, Fox, BBC a lot more than najefs analysis from thousands of miles away, which is based on nothing at the actual site with the issues. I think that's pretty logical, for most people.

Carry on ladies and gentlemen.

Brent
03-16-2011, 10:53 PM
njx, he's not supposed to post in red. just sayin'.


:D

diabsoule
03-16-2011, 11:13 PM
Remember the Fukushima 50
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/japan-tsunami/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503051&objectid=10712802

Sportsfan486
03-17-2011, 12:26 AM
"Expert" with a more pessimistic view.



http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Article_2011-03-16-US-Japan-Quake-Spent-Fuel/id-97ef411dd9f94ff5aca0ac0323c7ba4f

Should be noted that the same dude quickly backed off the statement that all the water was gone and Japanese officials swear there is still water in the spent fuel ponds.

As far as radiation, reports I read say it's about 10x normal in Tokyo and 300x normal in a city that's between Tokyo and the plant that's worst off. It says that even 300x normal doesn't pose a public health danger, though, which would make you assume 10x is like a few extra uses of your cell phone.

I would like to note, however, that I don't know the damndest thing about radiation or Nuclear energy except that it ***** you up and makes really big explosions that also **** you up, respectively. **** is like magic.

fenikz
03-17-2011, 12:46 AM
******* nuclear reactors how do they work?
http://cdn.videogum.com/files/2010/04/ICP_miracles.jpg

diabsoule
03-17-2011, 12:59 AM
******* atomic magic everywhere in this *****

fenikz
03-17-2011, 06:25 AM
not sure if this is new news or not

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2011/03/20113174413417272.html

J-Mike88
03-17-2011, 08:55 AM
not sure if this is new news or not

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2011/03/20113174413417272.html
Here's a new piece from Time.
Up, Down, Left, Right... nobody has a full, accurate grasp on the situation there at the plant, so nobody can accurately forecast how bad it might get.
They need to come here and ask Najef or our SuperMod to clear things up for Japan and the world public.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2059479,00.html?xid=newsletter-daily

Confusion in a Crisis: Just How High are Japan's Radiation Risks?

"There's a high probability that [reconnecting power to the plant] could change the situation for the better," says Taira Okita, a professor at Tokyo University's department of nuclear engineering and management.


mounting confusion about key elements of risk now in play. At a hearing in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday, chairman of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) Gregory Jaczko, called radiation levels at one of the plant's units "extremely high." He added that "for a comparable situation in the United States we would recommend evacuation for a much larger radius than is currently being provided in Japan." And he said that his information suggested that there was no water left in the pool containing spent fuel rods in reactor Unit 4


Spokesman Yoshitaka Nagayama told reporters: "Because we have been unable to go the scene, we cannot confirm whether there is water left or not in the spent fuel pool at reactor No. 4." By Thursday evening, national TV broadcaster NHK was saying that one of the Japanese Self Defense Force helicopters that had flown over the reactor to dump seawater reported there is water present in the storage pool, but how much was unclear.

However, Jaczko had told the New York Times on Wednesday night that NRC representatives in Tokyo had confirmed that the pool at Unit 4 was empty. He said TEPCO and other officials in Japan had also confirmed it, though he didn't say how they had been able to do so.
The conflicting information about the water levels in the pool storing the spent fuel rods in reactor Unit 4 is emblematic of the confusion the nuclear crisis has engendered

That unquestionably prompted some Japanese to wonder just how good the information was that they were getting. Hiroko Kano, a Tokyo housewife, was planning on delivering food and water to elderly friends who live near Sendai. She has delayed the trip. "I'm just not sure I'm trusting what I'm hearing from the government."

J-Mike88
03-18-2011, 11:02 AM
I think people are already freaking out too much right now..... It sounds like things have calmed down there quite a bit.

At worst, it might effect the local area a bit.
You still reading your fairytale children's story? This is real life, not some ***** movie or TV show where everything is happily-ever-after.

As many people said then, and the days since then, this is not something that has calmed down. You neg-rep'd me for posting the warning signs from experts 5 days ago, but bought into the fairytale story of everything just calming down on it's own and only a few "local" residents there being affected?

Here's the latest from today, Fri Mar 18:
[7:31 a.m. ET Friday, 8:31 p.m. Friday in Tokyo] Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan said Friday that the situation at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant remains "very grave." Kan said he is committed to doing all that is needed to overcome the nuclear crisis....

[6:23 a.m. ET Friday, 7:23 p.m. Friday in Tokyo] For the second consecutive day, high radiation levels have been detected in an area 30 kilometers (18.6 miles) northwest of the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, Japanese broadcaster NHK reports. The reading was 150 microsieverts per hour. Human exposure to that level of radiation for six to seven hours would result in absorption of what is considered safe in a year, the report said.

[5:42 a.m. ET Friday, 6:42 p.m. Friday in Tokyo] Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has raised the severity level of the situation at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to 5, up from 4. The new level - which is on the international International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale, with 1 being least and 7 being most severe - indicates this is an "accident with wider consequences."

yourfavestoner
03-18-2011, 11:54 AM
So radioactive fallout hits California today. Great.

Paul
03-18-2011, 12:01 PM
at levels 'about a billion times lower...' than anything that would constitute a health risk.

So you're telling me there's a chance...

trkaline
03-18-2011, 12:02 PM
So radioactive fallout hits California today. Great.

Look at the bright side, you could develop a superpower...

Brent
03-18-2011, 12:03 PM
So radioactive fallout hits California today. Great.
Ann Coulter says radiation is good for you. hahahahahahhahah

Jvig43
03-18-2011, 01:28 PM
yes. i'd imagine there's a substantially lower risk of developing cancer from what's currently passing over CA, then there is from the second hand smoke of a single cigarette, over a person's life.

which isn't to say it's 'desirable' or anything. just that it's scare-journalism at it's... um... 'finest'.

Wait so...... PANIC?!?!?!?! **** I have to move, it could hit Maine any second.

fenikz
03-18-2011, 01:56 PM
lighten up a little bit it's only the end of the world

Crickett
03-18-2011, 02:00 PM
Wait so...... PANIC?!?!?!?! **** I have to move, it could hit Maine any second.

Quck, JVIG, MOVE TO PORTUGAL!!!

LizardState
03-18-2011, 02:05 PM
So radioactive fallout hits California today. Great.


big run on potassium iodide pills in SF & LA. Not a lot of confidence in this statement from Berkeley, where btw they detected trace amounts of it this morning.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-18/japanese-atomic-plume-doesn-t-pose-health-threat-to-u-s-coast.html

RaiderNation
03-18-2011, 02:11 PM
IDC if there isnt alot of radiation in the rain, Im not going to let any of it hit me today

Brent
03-18-2011, 02:14 PM
One probably has a greater chance from getting cancer in the smog of LA than what they are talking about, currently. I love how the graphics on the news stations and headlines on the websites are forecasting doom, but when you read the articles or listen to people who are actual experts on the subject, not political commentators, they're like, "Until the Geiger Counter starts freaking out, every one needs to chill out."

Jvig43
03-18-2011, 02:18 PM
nah. i'd wait for CNN to quote some people from twitter. they'll certainly have the most rational responses. do whatever they say. which will probably include panic and the creation of bomb shelters in your backyard. i mean, you're in maine. this is the end of the ******* world.

Exactly what I was thinking, Maine is logically the first place the radiation would get to. I don't worry about building a shelter either, I have one already set up for last years bird flu panic attack that CNN had.

trkaline
03-18-2011, 02:25 PM
Spider-Mans radioactive and he's done alright for himself.

Forenci
03-18-2011, 02:59 PM
Here's a new piece from Time.
Up, Down, Left, Right... nobody has a full, accurate grasp on the situation there at the plant, so nobody can accurately forecast how bad it might get.
They need to come here and ask Najef or our SuperMod to clear things up for Japan and the world public.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2059479,00.html?xid=newsletter-daily

Confusion in a Crisis: Just How High are Japan's Radiation Risks?

No, I neg repped you because you're a stupid mother ****** who is mocking people trying to give us insight instead of the the initial concern that was influenced from the media hysteria (not media personalities, as your idiocy dictated in your own neg rep of me).

My entire point was: this is not a full scale nuclear meltdown with absurd amounts of radiation being leaked all over an entire continent (i.e. Chernobyl). The problem is, idiots like you (and the media) enjoy blowing things out of proportion because everyone is trained to freak out when they hear "nuclear" and "meltdown" in the same sentence.

Yes, people should be concerned (mainly the people in Japan, not the idiots buying iodine tablets in Florida) but that doesn't mean I'm going to freak **** about it here in the United States as people would love for us to.

But congratulations, feel free to pat yourself on the back about it.

FuzzyGopher
03-18-2011, 03:31 PM
Wait...is this thing leaking mutagen? If so brb. I'm going to find 4 turtles and a giagantic talking sensei rat who will teach them ninjustsu to protect New York City from petty criminals, evil megalomaniacs, and alien invaders, all while remaining isolated from society at large.[1]




1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles

diabsoule
03-18-2011, 04:27 PM
Spider-Mans radioactive and he's done alright for himself.

So has the Hulk aside from that whole anger management issue

J-Mike88
03-18-2011, 11:29 PM
Half the money raised for Japan should go to these BRAVE-ASS plant workers risking their asses to try and fix that s***.

TEPCO hikes radiation limits as workers' exposure rises

March 18, 2011 10:38 p.m. EDT
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/18/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=C1
The owner of the stricken nuclear power complex in northeastern Japan said Saturday that it will hike the radiation exposure limit for its workers at the plant from 100 millisieverts per shift to 150 millisieverts, Japan's public broadcaster NHK reported.

Tokyo Electric Power Company said some workers at the Fukushima Daiichi plant have already been exposed to more than 100 millisieverts and that the company, citing the unprecedented nature of the crisis, has raised the limit to 150 millisieverts for some outdoor workers.

"This is a considerable amount of radiation," said G. Donald Frey, a medical physicist and professor of radiology at the Medical University of South Carolina. "The limit for radiation workers in the United States is 50 millisieverts per year, but we try to keep them to less than 5 millisieverts per year."
fter a single acute exposure of 1,000 millisieverts, people tend to start feeling nauseated and vomiting, Frey said. At 5,000 millisieverts over the course of a few hours, "people start dying."

After exposure to 150 millisieverts per day, "you're definitely in the range where you have significantly increased risk of radiation-induced cancers."
Our guy najef should volunteer to chip-in a few hours, add his expertise and give those Japanese workers a breather.

TitleTown088
03-18-2011, 11:44 PM
Around 10,000 people died, and there is petty argument over radiation levels?

Twiddler
03-19-2011, 12:31 AM
Half the money raised for Japan should go to these BRAVE-ASS plant workers risking their asses to try and fix that s***.

TEPCO hikes radiation limits as workers' exposure rises

March 18, 2011 10:38 p.m. EDT
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/18/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=C1


Our guy najef should volunteer to chip-in a few hours, add his expertise and give those Japanese workers a breather.

Do you even read the stuff you write? I know its hyperbole, but that doesn't even begin to cover the ridiculousness of that first statement. Likely more than 10,000 people died. Ten. Thousand. And all you can think about is how to score points against a poster who was just offering the input that he had from experience with this kind of thing. Insufferable.

Jvig43
03-19-2011, 12:34 AM
Clearly it's only significant if Americans are at risk, which were not so just stop trying to convince everyone that fallout 3 is going to happen over night. Thus far your only making your argument against Nalej that much worse.

J-Mike88
03-19-2011, 08:31 AM
Around 10,000 people died, and there is petty argument over radiation levels?
Exactly, but that's njx for you.
You originally posted a bunch of data and comments from experts, and our resident nuclear expert here added his opinion of the situation over there 25,000 miles away from him and thought that the situation wasn't as bad as what was being reported.

Then the little Napolean-Mod here added his patented smart-***comments, and acted like I, you, whoever is very concerned about this was being hoodwinked, tricked by the American media, and we were "freaking out".

Like we're fools for believing some of the things being reported from over there by nuclear experts on the scene, by plant personnel over there, by professors and nuclear experts being interviewed by the media, etc.
I guess we're dumb if we believe anything those "experts" say (if it's reported by the American media), and we're only smart if we believe whatever our moderator and football forum expert here miles away have to say about the situation.

And of course then there are always a few kids who will always go a long with the Napolean mod because they're afraid of "authority" and don't want to get neg-rep'd, so they pile on like they do in other threads along with the Napolean-mods that one or two here are.

There really shouldn't have been an argument in this thread of any kind, but when someone tells someone that they're stupid & "freaking out" for believing reports that were aired on American media -even though it came from experts 100x more qualified than our guy here- well that's just assenine and I have to make sure that not everyone just goes with that BS.

Again, I give props to Najef for being 100x more knowledgeable about this stuff than the rest of us combined: because he has dealt with similar stuff!
But he's not over there to assess that specific situation.

soybean
03-20-2011, 10:34 PM
Huge Earthquake hits Japan = no looting, rioting or few criminal activity

Lakers win the NBA championship = cars turned over, set on fire, rioting etc.

http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/article-1365947-0B287D5F00000578-816_964x629-505x329.jpg

CJSchneider
03-20-2011, 10:41 PM
That just proves people in LA know how to party.

fenikz
03-20-2011, 10:43 PM
LA is the most whitetrash/ghetto place in the world

TitanHope
03-20-2011, 10:58 PM
Huge Earthquake hits Japan = no looting, rioting or few criminal activity

Lakers win the NBA championship = cars turned over, set on fire, rioting etc.

http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/article-1365947-0B287D5F00000578-816_964x629-505x329.jpg

Jackie Chan already explained this to Chris Tucker.

KCJ58
03-20-2011, 11:02 PM
LA is the most whitetrash/ghetto place in the world


says the kid who lives in Scottsdale

fenikz
03-20-2011, 11:16 PM
I wish I lived in Scottsdale that's the richest place I've ever been
http://scottsdalegoodlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/scottsdale-sunset.jpg


i assume you were trying to name some poor part of Arizona, try Tucson

KCJ58
03-20-2011, 11:22 PM
I wish I lived in Scottsdale that's the richest place I've ever been
http://scottsdalegoodlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/scottsdale-sunset.jpg


i assume you were trying to name some poor part of Arizona, try Tucson

You Live in a Desert, I live right next to the beach
http://threadbombing.com/data/media/70/they_live_deal_w_It.gif

fenikz
03-20-2011, 11:49 PM
why is his face all crooked

and if you actually don't live in the 90% of California that is ****** good for you

soybean
03-21-2011, 02:39 AM
Well then... what about Hurricane Katrina?

Looting, crime, people getting trampled...

I don't think it's area specific...

I think American society in of itself has problems...

except people in seattle... people there are eerily friendly.

trkaline
03-21-2011, 02:53 AM
Yeah I'm not going to lie, I'm probably looting with the rest of them if something similar happened where I live... ****...If I'm in Japan... Only thing that may stop me from sifting through the rubble of storefronts for little techno doodads and gadgets might be the radiation... maybe...

diabsoule
03-21-2011, 04:20 AM
Workers have been pulled from the nuclear plant because of gray smoke rising from the No. 3 reactor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake

Right now the death toll is at 18,000+ from the quake and tsunami

Sportsfan486
03-21-2011, 05:27 AM
except people in seattle... people there are eerily friendly.

Huh? Seattleites are perhaps the most passive aggressive people on the planet. Maybe you were simply thrown off guard by the completely passive and subverted way they go about being jackasses as opposed to the normal coming out and being jackasses.

As opposed to stabbing you with a butter knife a Seattleite would preach about the dangers of eating butter that isn't locally and organically produced while spiking your water with whatever poison they have handy. Also, driving in Seattle is constant exposure to middle fingers, honking horns for no reason other then to be jackasses, and absolutely no one stopping at yield-for-ped stopwalks.

Seattleites are not at all friendly. Seriously. There's a lot of midwesterners, Californians (ie Northern Cali mainly) and Alaskans here and those folks tend to be friendly which could be the mix up. Native Seattleites hate anyone who doesn't have the same exact values as them, which typically involve some twisted hippy conservative-but-we-call-ourselves-liberal mindset.

Yikes, I got way off topic. Sorry for the rant.

As for the fundraisers, I mean, I dunno. It's a really rich country that notoriously cares for it's own people extremely well. I'm not exactly sure how much use the help Japan fundraisers are, really, this isn't a poor area as New Orleans or Indonesia was.. sure, it's just country people living modestly but Japan has a very ingrained culture that values all it's people immensely. Also, I always get nervous donating to such things because how do you actually know the money is going to help people and not get sucked up into something else (or someone's pocket?)

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-21-2011, 07:06 AM
In defense of America, it is difficult to loot when there is absolutely nothing left to loot.

TitleTown088
03-21-2011, 08:05 AM
LA is the most whitetrash/ghetto place in the world

You seem to really like making generalizations about places you don't live. I remember when you aid people should "move out of the Midwest if they want to better themselves".


And I like how it all comes from someone who lives in one of the most unsustainable and impractical places in the country. Ya'll running the Coloradical River dry.

brat316
03-21-2011, 09:44 AM
In defense of America, it is difficult to loot when there is absolutely nothing left to loot.

HA. How do you explain Katrina looting. There is 5 feet of water in the electronics store. Sheeeit, get me a blow up pool/raft, i'm getting me a LCD tv.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-21-2011, 09:52 AM
1. There was a building to loot from.
2. The Japanese have seemingly done a good job of not abandoning people in the areas hardest hit by the tsunami.

The Unseen
03-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Exactly, but that's njx for you.
You originally posted a bunch of data and comments from experts, and our resident nuclear expert here added his opinion of the situation over there 25,000 miles away from him and thought that the situation wasn't as bad as what was being reported.

Then the little Napolean-Mod here added his patented smart-***comments, and acted like I, you, whoever is very concerned about this was being hoodwinked, tricked by the American media, and we were "freaking out".

Like we're fools for believing some of the things being reported from over there by nuclear experts on the scene, by plant personnel over there, by professors and nuclear experts being interviewed by the media, etc.
I guess we're dumb if we believe anything those "experts" say (if it's reported by the American media), and we're only smart if we believe whatever our moderator and football forum expert here miles away have to say about the situation.

And of course then there are always a few kids who will always go a long with the Napolean mod because they're afraid of "authority" and don't want to get neg-rep'd, so they pile on like they do in other threads along with the Napolean-mods that one or two here are.

There really shouldn't have been an argument in this thread of any kind, but when someone tells someone that they're stupid & "freaking out" for believing reports that were aired on American media -even though it came from experts 100x more qualified than our guy here- well that's just assenine and I have to make sure that not everyone just goes with that BS.

Again, I give props to Najef for being 100x more knowledgeable about this stuff than the rest of us combined: because he has dealt with similar stuff!
But he's not over there to assess that specific situation.

The entire point was about the graveness of the spread of radiation, which still isn't dire - the US is not threatened like media was hinting so strongly at.

So could you please shut the **** up and quit sounding like a whiny asshole?

J-Mike88
03-21-2011, 12:04 PM
The entire point was about the graveness of the spread of radiation, which still isn't dire - the US is not threatened like media was hinting so strongly at.
Umm, sorry, but this is not a story about the US.
I know many Americans are only concerned with ourselves, as the looting evidence above demonstrated.

The radiation IS **** serious ***.
Just because it's not killing people in California doesn't mean it's not a very grave situation. And it's not "clearing up" like one of our geniuses said a week ago.

To buy the fairytale optimism seems cool here among a few people, but to be skeptical of it, to expect problems to escalate is considered "freaking out".... pretty weird, some people.
Smoke spewed Monday from two adjacent reactors in the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, a nuclear safety official said, setbacks that came despite fervent efforts to prevent the further release of radioactive materials at the stricken facility.

After 6 p.m., white smoke was seen emanating from the facility's No. 2 reactor, according to Hidehiko Nishiyama, an official with Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency. About two hours earlier, workers were evacuated from the area around the No. 3 reactor after gray smoke began to rise from the wreckage of its steel-and-concrete housing, which was blown apart by a hydrogen explosion last week.

The No. 3 reactor has been the top priority for authorities trying to contain damage to the plant and stave off a possible meltdown. Its fuel includes a small percentage of plutonium mixed with the uranium in its fuel rods, which experts say could cause more harm than regular uranium fuels in the event of a meltdown.

J-Mike88
03-21-2011, 12:06 PM
Well then... what about Hurricane Katrina?
Looting, crime, people getting trampled...

I don't think it's area specific...
I think American society in of itself has problems....
Bingo, exactly. Ask Reginald Denny about what you said.

StickSkills
03-21-2011, 12:28 PM
Well then... what about Hurricane Katrina?

Looting, crime, people getting trampled...

I don't think it's area specific...

I think American society in of itself has problems...

except people in seattle... people there are eerily friendly.

North Dakota too... you can have a 30 minute convo with someone in the grocery store. People leave their cars unlocked and engines on while they go shopping.

J-Mike88
03-22-2011, 09:38 AM
American Teacher Found Dead
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/21/japan.disaster.us.death/index.html?hpt=C2
An American woman teaching English in Japan has been found dead, her family said Monday.

Taylor Anderson, 24, had been missing since the tsunami struck earlier this month. She'd been teaching in Ishinomaki, Japan for the last three years, according to her parents.

DEATH TOLL KEEPS RISING
The disaster has killed more than 8,800 people and left close to 13,000 missing, many of them killed as a wall of water rushed in following the quake.
Think about the population of your high school. Over 21,000 people were killed from this f***** tsunami.

REACTOR DAMAGE WORSE THAN THOUGHT
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/22/japan.nuclear.reactors/c1main.nuke.gi.afp.jpg
Reactors 1 and 2 at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant sustained more damage from seawater than originally believed, the plant's owner says.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/22/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=C1

Authorities said potential food contamination remains a concern.

The Japanese government has banned the sale of raw milk from Fukushima Prefecture, where the plant is located, and prohibited the sale of spinach from neighboring Ibaraki Prefecture after finding levels of radioactive iodine and cesium higher than government standards, the country's health ministry reported.

And officials in Fukushima halted the distribution of locally grown vegetables outside the prefecture.

High levels of radioactive substances have also been found in seawater near the plant, Tokyo Electric said Tuesday.

"There should be no immediate health impact. If this situation continues for a long period of time, some impact can occur," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told reporters.
I feel terrible for the Japanese people there. What a nightmare.

The Unseen
03-22-2011, 09:58 AM
Umm, sorry, but this is not a story about the US.

I didn't say that. All I'm saying is that the American media's coverage of the impact here, and even in Japan, was sensationalized to an extent. Look at that story you posted: people are worried about food contamination. They should be. But look: "no immediate health impact," like you bolded. But go ahead and feel self-righteous for putting us in our place like we don't care about the people in Japan just because we think there might be a problem with the coverage.

Also: http://xkcd.com/radiation/

Giantsfan1080
03-22-2011, 10:04 AM
It really shows you the damage we did by dropping the atomic bombs on them. The death toll from the tsunami doesn't even come close to that.

JoeJoeBrown
03-22-2011, 10:12 AM
It really shows you the damage we did by dropping the atomic bombs on them. The death toll from the tsunami doesn't even come close to that.

The firebombing of Tokyo was in some ways worse. Over 1M people were injured. The official death toll was 100K, but it was likely much higher.

Firebombing of Tokyo. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo)

J-Mike88
03-23-2011, 10:38 AM
Look at that story you posted: people are worried about food contamination. They should be. But look: "no immediate health impact," like you bolded.
My wife and little son are in Hong Kong right now and they (Hong Kong authorities) have found some seafood from Japan that is dangerously tainted.

These are the issues that are a concern... it's not immediate injury, sickness and death like from a bomb in Jerusalem or something.

Great cover of Newsweek yesterday.... it's what you call SENSATIONALISM, but it's pretty good. And there hasn't even been a big one in Southern Cal for a long time.....

J-Mike88
04-11-2011, 09:59 PM
Forgotten/ignored now by mmany, but it's still headline news here on April 11th:

Breaking News
Japan agency raises nuclear threat to highest level
Japanese authorities "provisionally" declared the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident a level 7 event, putting the crisis on par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.

FULL STORY (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/11/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1)

Splat
04-11-2011, 10:00 PM
I have ran out of things to say at this point... :(