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Matthew Jones
03-11-2011, 04:31 PM
It's that time again! Four rounds this week. Let me know what you think. Feel free to bash a pick, but tell me why it's not realistic and who else would be considered there. Enjoy!

FIRST ROUND

1. Carolina Panthers - QB Cam Newton, Auburn*

2. Denver Broncos - CB Patrick Peterson, Louisiana St.*

3. Buffalo Bills - DT Marcell Dareus, Alabama*

4. Cincinnati Bengals - WR A.J. Green, Georgia*

5. Arizona Cardinals - LB Von Miller, Texas A&M

6. Cleveland Browns - DE Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson*

7. San Francisco 49ers - CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska

8. Tennessee Titans - DT Nick Fairley, Auburn*

9. Dallas Cowboys - DE J.J. Watt, Wisconsin*

10. Washington Redskins - WR Julio Jones, Alabama*

11. Houston Texans - LB Robert Quinn, North Carolina*

12. Minnesota Vikings - QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri*

13. Detroit Lions - OT Tyron Smith, Southern California*

14. St. Louis Rams - DE Cameron Jordan, California

15. Miami Dolphins - RB Mark Ingram, Alabama*

16. Jacksonville Jaguars - DE Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue

17. New England Patriots (from Oakland) - DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio St.

18. San Diego Chargers - OT Nate Solder, Colorado

19. New York Giants - OT Anthony Castonzo, Boston College

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DE Aldon Smith, Missouri*

21. Kansas City Chiefs - LB Akeem Ayers, UCLA*

22. Indianapolis Colts - OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi St.

23. Philadelphia Eagles - OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin

24. New Orleans Saints - DT Stephen Paea, Oregon St.

25. Seattle Seahawks - QB Jake Locker, Washington

26. Baltimore Ravens - CB Brandon Harris, Miami (FL)*

27. Atlanta Falcons - WR Torrey Smith, Maryland*

28. New England Patriots - OG Mike Pouncey, Florida

29. Chicago Bears - DT Corey Liuget, Illinois*

30. New York Jets - LB Justin Houston, Georgia*

31. Pittsburgh Steelers - CB Aaron Williams, Texas*

32. Green Bay Packers - LB Martez Wilson, Illinois*

SECOND ROUND

33. New England Patriots (from Carolina) - DE Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple*

34. Buffalo Bills - OT Marcus Cannon, Texas Christian

35. Cincinnati Bengals - RB Mikel Leshoure, Illinois*

36. Denver Broncos - DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa

37. Cleveland Browns - WR Leonard Hankerson, Miami (FL)

38. Arizona Cardinals - OT Ben Ijalana, Villanova

39. Tennessee Titans - LB Mason Foster, Washington

40. Dallas Cowboys - FS Rahim Moore, UCLA*

41. Washington Redskins - NT Phil Taylor, Baylor

42. Houston Texans - CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado

43. Minnesota Vikings - DE Allen Bailey, Miami (FL)

44. Detroit Lions - LB Kelvin Sheppard, Louisiana St.

45. San Francisco - QB Christian Ponder, Florida St.

46. Denver Broncos (from Miami) - TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame*

47. St. Louis Rams - WR Jon Baldwin, Pittsburgh*

48. Oakland Raiders - C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn St.

49. Jacksonville Jaguars - OG Rodney Hudson, Florida St.

50. San Diego Chargers - OG Danny Watkins, Baylor

51. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -DE Sam Acho, Texas

52. New York Giants - LB Bruce Carter, North Carolina

53. Indianapolis Colts - DT Drake Nevis, Louisiana St.

54. Philadelphia Eagles - OG Orlando Franklin, Miami (FL)

55. Kansas City Chiefs - WR Titus Young, Boise St.

56. New Orleans Saints - RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma

57. Seattle Seahawks - WR Randall Cobb, Kentucky*

58. Baltimore Ravens - LB Brooks Reed, Arizona

59. Atlanta Falcons - OT Clint Boling, Georgia

60. New England Patriots - LB Chris Carter, Fresno St.

61. San Diego Chargers (from New York Jets) - WR Greg Little, North Carolina

62. Chicago Bears - OG John Moffitt, Wisconsin

63. Pittsburgh Steelers - OT DeMarcus Love, Arkansas

64. Green Bay Packers - LB Dontay Moch, Nevada

THIRD ROUND

65. Carolina Panthers - DT Christian Ballard, Iowa

66. Cincinnati Bengals - QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas*

67. Denver Broncos - DT Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson

68. Buffalo Bills - QB Colin Kaepernick, Nevada

69. Arizona Cardinals - CB Ras-I Dowling, Virginia

70. Cleveland Browns - DT Jurrell Casey, Southern California*

71. Dallas Cowboys - OT James Brewer, Indiana

72. New Orleans Saints (from Washington) - LB Mark Herzlich, Boston College

73. Houston Texans - FS Quinton Carter, Oklahoma

74. New England Patriots (from Minnesota) - WR Jerrel Jernigan, Troy

75. Detroit Lions - CB Curtis Brown, Texas

76. San Francisco 49ers - RB Shane Vereen, California*

77. Tennessee Titans - LB Greg Jones, Michigan St.

78. St. Louis Rams - SS Tyler Sash, Iowa

79. Miami Dolphins - CB Brandon Burton, Utah*

80. Jacksonville Jaguars - DE Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh

81. Oakland Raiders - CB Rashad Carmichael, Virginia Tech

82. San Diego Chargers - DE Marvin Austin, North Carolina

83. New York Giants - LB Colin McCarthy, Miami (FL)

84. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - RB Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech*

85. Philadelphia Eagles - CB Johnny Patrick, Louisville

86. Kansas City Chiefs - NT Kenrick Ellis, Hampton

87. Indianapolis Colts - RB Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma St.

88. New Orleans Saints - LB Nate Irving, North Carolina St.

89. San Diego Chargers (from Seattle) - LB Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma

90. Baltimore Ravens - WR Edmund Gates, Abilene Christian

91. Atlanta Falcons - OT Jason Pinkston, Pittsburgh

92. New England Patriots - RB Jordan Todman, Connecticut*

93. Chicago Bears - OT James Carpenter, Alabama

94. New York Jets - WR Niles Paul, Nebraska

95. Pittsburgh Steelers - TE D.J. Williams, Arkansas

96. Green Bay Packers - CB Davon House, New Mexico St.

FOURTH ROUND

97. Carolina Panthers - DE Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh

98. Seattle Seahawks (from New England via Denver) - CB Shareece Wright, Southern California

99. Buffalo Bills - LB Steven Friday, Virginia Tech

100. Cincinnati Bengals - DE Pernell McPhee, Mississippi St.

101. Cleveland Browns - LB Casey Matthews, Oregon

102. Arizona Cardinals - QB Andy Dalton, Texas Christian

103. Philadelphia Eagles (from Houston) - LB Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina

104. Houston Texans - NT Jerrell Powe, Mississippi

105. Minnesota Vikings - OT Marcus Gilbert, Florida

106. Detroit Lions - OG Will Rackley, Lehigh

107. San Francisco 49ers - FS Jeron Johnson, Boise St.

108. Tennessee Titans - QB Ricky Stanzi, Iowa

109. Dallas Cowboys - CB Jalil Brown, Colorado

110. Miami Dolphins - WR Dwayne Harris, East Carolina

111. St. Louis Rams - RB Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon St.

112. Oakland Raiders - C Kris O'Dowd, Southern California

113. Jacksonville Jaguars - SS Ahmad Black, Florida

114. San Francisco 49ers (from San Diego) - WR Tandon Doss, Indiana

115. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - WR Greg Salas, Hawaii

116. New York Giants - TE Virgil Green, Nevada

117. Kansas City Chiefs - WR Austin Pettis, Boise St.

118. Indianapolis Colts - C Brandon Fusco, Slippery Rock

119. Philadelphia Eagles - FS Deunta Williams, North Carolina

120. Jacksonville Jaguars (from New Orleans) - WR Cecil Shorts, Mount Union

121. Buffalo Bills (from Seattle) - CB Justin Rogers, Richmond

122. Baltimore Ravens - SS Robert Sands, West Virginia

123. Atlanta Falcons - TE Luke Stocker, Tennessee

124. New England Patriots - LB Cliff Matthews, South Carolina

125. New York Jets - FS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson

126. Chicago Bears - WR Vincent Brown, San Diego St.

127. Pittsburgh Steelers - OG Andrew Jackson, Fresno St.

128. Green Bay Packers - RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas St.

T-RICH49
03-11-2011, 04:38 PM
would prefer Houston over Ayers but overall nice KC draft

Seasonticketholder
03-11-2011, 04:45 PM
RavenofProphecy, you seem like a reasonable person. So, can you please stop projecting Paea to the Saints. The pick does not make sense for us given our needs at DE and given the talent on the board at that position.

To me, Justin Houston makes much more sense than Paea.

In the second round, DeMarco Murray is a wasted pick. Brooks Reed makes more sense as a guy who can come in and play at SLB in a similar role as the one Scott Fujita played for us.

In the third round, Kenrick Ellis is a better pick than Mark Herzlich. Ellis gives us an immediate backup to Shaun Rogers at NT and a guy who could be a starter not too far down the road.

Finally, we have some needs at safety behind Roman Harper. DeAndre McDaniel would be a solid choice as a backup to Harper for us.

Recap:

1. Justin Houston, DE
2. Brooks Reed, SLB
3a. Kenrick Ellis, NT
3b. DeAndre McDaniel, S

Not spectacular but goes a long way to fill our needs on defense.

RaiderNation
03-11-2011, 04:46 PM
2 Centers? Unless we plan on moving Wisniewski to OG which isnt likely because he isnt a power scheme fit at OG IMO. OLB, DL or OL could work out in the 4th

I like Davon House as a better prospect than Carmichael and he fits as well.

Hurricanes25
03-11-2011, 04:46 PM
30. New York Jets - LB Justin Houston, Georgia*

94. New York Jets - WR Niles Paul, Nebraska


125. New York Jets - FS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson



Can't complain about that. DE is another need but a lot of us Jets fans are getting the feeling we'll grab one late so great job.

monson
03-11-2011, 05:03 PM
I don't think the Panthers can go QB. They have no second round pick. If they take Newton they will be no better than they were last year. I like Clausen anyway. They need to take someone who will help next season.

The pats should take Wilkerson at 28. There will be a gaurd at 33.

Nalej
03-11-2011, 05:05 PM
I've already stated I'm not on the 2 DE draft
I'm not a fan of any of the LBs you selected
and not getting one of the top OLB prospects doesn't sit right with me.
The draft isn't a success without one, honestly.
These are my picks if the board fell your way:

1-C.Heyward DE
1-J.Houston OLB
2-S.Wisnieski OG
2-G.Little WR
3-R.Williams RB
3-J.Carpenter OT
4-J.Kirkpatrick C

TNPatsFan
03-11-2011, 05:25 PM
The two DE draft for the Pats is an interesting idea. In a way I like it. You could potentially have two stud DE's for the forseeable future. But when they have so many other needs it's a tough call. If it means missing out on a top OLB, I wonder if it is the best approach.

Good draft though. And I like the Cliff Matthews pick in round 4. I actually don't think he will go that high but he's one of those guys I just like as a player and would be really interested to see what he could do in the Pats defense.

GB12
03-11-2011, 05:31 PM
We really don't need two linebackers. We have plenty of depth at the position, we just could use an impact player opposite Matthews. I'd like Brandon Burton in the second instead.

thebow305
03-11-2011, 05:47 PM
Ingram works, but we don't need a corner, so give us James Carpenter there instead and Harris is a decent option in the 4th.

Heisman
03-11-2011, 06:30 PM
2 Centers? Unless we plan on moving Wisniewski to OG which isnt likely because he isnt a power scheme fit at OG IMO. OLB, DL or OL could work out in the 4th

I like Davon House as a better prospect than Carmichael and he fits as well.

As a vikings fan I loved the draft but our 2nd rounder of Allen Bailey isn't the best fit or need. Draft day trade? Stefen for bailey ;)

SimonRath
03-11-2011, 07:37 PM
2 OT's in the first 3 rounds?.. wooooow, epic fail my friend.

jCut
03-11-2011, 07:45 PM
Clayborn over Taylor? A huge no-no for Denver. They have no depth at DT and Jarvis Jenkins isn't going to get anyone excited around here.

Scotty D
03-11-2011, 08:04 PM
I'd give the Lions draft a solid A.

CashmoneyDrew
03-11-2011, 08:46 PM
I don't think the Tits can afford to use two of their first three picks at linebacker.

coordinator0
03-11-2011, 10:30 PM
I would prefer Smith over Harris if you're set on giving us a corner. We need a #1 CB that matches up favorably on opposing #1/2 WRs who are big. I like Harris as a prospect, just not for the Ravens.

Reed is awesome in the second, I'd be happy with him in the first.

Gates is another great pick.

Sands is kind of meh, but he's not really a bad pick.

defensiveback23
03-11-2011, 10:35 PM
Chargers biggest needs are at 5 tech and OLB. They have to focus on defense early. Solder is not a good fit and they have 0 need at guard as they have Dielman and like Vasquez and Green. I do like Little but not the other selections.

Pat Sims 90
03-12-2011, 01:03 AM
Bengals need to take a Guard in either the 2nd or the 3rd because the starting Guards we have now would be 2nd or 3rd stringers on most other teams.

vidae
03-12-2011, 01:57 AM
It could just be me, but I'm not a fan of Ayers.

Phil Taylor is the perfect pick for KC at this point if he's there. Biggest need and special talent.

The rest of the draft is solid though.

akvikefan89
03-12-2011, 02:40 AM
Would have preferred Wisniewski > Bailey in the second, but Gabbert at #12 is awesome.

Matthew Jones
03-12-2011, 08:50 AM
RavenofProphecy, you seem like a reasonable person. So, can you please stop projecting Paea to the Saints. The pick does not make sense for us given our needs at DE and given the talent on the board at that position.

To me, Justin Houston makes much more sense than Paea.

In the second round, DeMarco Murray is a wasted pick. Brooks Reed makes more sense as a guy who can come in and play at SLB in a similar role as the one Scott Fujita played for us.

In the third round, Kenrick Ellis is a better pick than Mark Herzlich. Ellis gives us an immediate backup to Shaun Rogers at NT and a guy who could be a starter not too far down the road.

Finally, we have some needs at safety behind Roman Harper. DeAndre McDaniel would be a solid choice as a backup to Harper for us.

Recap:

1. Justin Houston, DE
2. Brooks Reed, SLB
3a. Kenrick Ellis, NT
3b. DeAndre McDaniel, S

Not spectacular but goes a long way to fill our needs on defense.

I still think the Saints will draft Paea if the board falls like this - I could see them targeting Ingram or Kerrigan if they were available too, but probably not a Houston or Clayborn. I forgot about Pierre Thomas' extension which is why I had Murray in there. The Saints most likely wouldn't select DeAndre McDaniel after he beat up his girlfriend and threw her down a flight of stairs.

Matthew Jones
03-12-2011, 08:55 AM
2 Centers? Unless we plan on moving Wisniewski to OG which isnt likely because he isnt a power scheme fit at OG IMO. OLB, DL or OL could work out in the 4th

I like Davon House as a better prospect than Carmichael and he fits as well.

I forgot I had assigned the Raiders Wisniewski when I gave them O'Dowd, so I would have probably changed O'Dowd in retrospect. The Raiders have hired Wisniewski's dad as assistant OL coach so that's an easy connection to make. If he's available I think he'll get strong consideration. I could kind of see House on the Raiders but I'm still leaning towards Carmichael there between the two.

Matthew Jones
03-12-2011, 08:56 AM
I don't think the Panthers can go QB. They have no second round pick. If they take Newton they will be no better than they were last year. I like Clausen anyway. They need to take someone who will help next season.

The pats should take Wilkerson at 28. There will be a gaurd at 33.

I don't necessarily support the Cam Newton pick but it's the most realistic pick we can make so far at #1 overall.

Matthew Jones
03-12-2011, 09:01 AM
I've already stated I'm not on the 2 DE draft
I'm not a fan of any of the LBs you selected
and not getting one of the top OLB prospects doesn't sit right with me.
The draft isn't a success without one, honestly.
These are my picks if the board fell your way:

1-C.Heyward DE
1-J.Houston OLB
2-S.Wisnieski OG
2-G.Little WR
3-R.Williams RB
3-J.Carpenter OT
4-J.Kirkpatrick C

We have a handful of rotational guys at defensive end, but I could see a two-end draft considering Warren's age/injury history and the Patriots' tendency to draft a lot of defensive linemen. The pass rush would improve by leaps and bounds if our linemen dominated the line of scrimmage. Both players are solid values, schematic fits, fill the size requirement, and align with draft tendencies.

We're all agreed that the Patriots need an outside linebacker, but because of the emphasis Belichick places on setting the edge and dropping into coverage and the relatively little focus he places on racking up sacks, I don't know if Justin Houston is the best fit. In a normal draft I'm pretty sure they wouldn't draft him, although you might be right and they may be willing to do something different this year.

I like Greg Little as much as the next guy but I wonder if the Patriots would draft him after sitting out all year. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't take Ryan Williams as well. Sophomore, not a blocker, never really caught the ball, goes down from first contact most of the time, had a bad season. The Patriots were watching Carpenter at Alabama's Pro Day so that's possible as a reserve swing tackle. Kirkpatrick is a possibility but kind of a waste since he doesn't really have a realistic shot of developing into a quality starter.

Matthew Jones
03-12-2011, 09:02 AM
We really don't need two linebackers. We have plenty of depth at the position, we just could use an impact player opposite Matthews. I'd like Brandon Burton in the second instead.

Brandon Burton might work, I'll consider it next time if he's available. I don't know whether or not Nick Barnett will be back so I had them drafting Martez Wilson to play next to AJ Hawk. He's got a lot of pass rush experience on delayed blitzes and twists, and could play a little bit of end out of a sub package or outside linebacker in the base. That might be very appealing to Capers. In this scenario, Moch would be projected as the rusher opposite Matthews.

Matthew Jones
03-12-2011, 09:04 AM
2 OT's in the first 3 rounds?.. wooooow, epic fail my friend.

The thinking here was that the Falcons face a lot of uncertainty on their offensive line regarding Blalock, Clabo, and Dahl, and both Boling and Pinkston are projected as OT/OG tweeners, so if Atlanta were to lose a couple of those free agents, you could try plugging in Boling/Pinkston.

Matthew Jones
03-12-2011, 09:08 AM
It could just be me, but I'm not a fan of Ayers.

Phil Taylor is the perfect pick for KC at this point if he's there. Biggest need and special talent.

The rest of the draft is solid though.

Phil Taylor is possible if the Chiefs really feel he's changed, but I'm wary of those guys with flags in the past who turn things around late. You have to wonder whether or not they're doing it out of love for the game, or to be set for life. I don't know if I'd want to give a guy who has battled serious weight/conditioning issues millions of dollars, and I doubt Pioli will. Ayers is a great fit if you ask me. He can cover, set the edge, and rush a little. He has extensive experience standing up and some experience coming out of a three-point stance. He's also a team captain.

Seasonticketholder
03-12-2011, 09:33 AM
I still think the Saints will draft Paea if the board falls like this - I could see them targeting Ingram or Kerrigan if they were available too, but probably not a Houston or Clayborn. I forgot about Pierre Thomas' extension which is why I had Murray in there. The Saints most likely wouldn't select DeAndre McDaniel after he beat up his girlfriend and threw her down a flight of stairs.

I agree on McDaniel.

I disagree on Paea. He does not fit our defense. Like Ellis, he's a 3-tech who can play some NT but not a guy you want to consistently play at NT. I don't think he would hold up. Also, Paea, to me, is a tad overrated. When you watch him on tape, he gets pushed around a lot. I think by signing Rogers, the Saints are inclined to addressing the tackle position later. And who knows? They might bring back Remi Ayodele in a backup role. If they do, that eliminates the need for a DT unless we are getting a guy to backup Ellis. We do have Hargrove but he's a FA.

Houston would make sense if Ingram and Kerrigan are both gone. I do not think Clayborn would be in the cards at all. I also think they could target an OT if the top guys at DE and Ingram are all off the board.

Nalej
03-12-2011, 10:08 AM
We have a handful of rotational guys at defensive end, but I could see a two-end draft considering Warren's age/injury history and the Patriots' tendency to draft a lot of defensive linemen. The pass rush would improve by leaps and bounds if our linemen dominated the line of scrimmage. Both players are solid values, schematic fits, fill the size requirement, and align with draft tendencies.

We're all agreed that the Patriots need an outside linebacker, but because of the emphasis Belichick places on setting the edge and dropping into coverage and the relatively little focus he places on racking up sacks, I don't know if Justin Houston is the best fit. In a normal draft I'm pretty sure they wouldn't draft him, although you might be right and they may be willing to do something different this year.

I like Greg Little as much as the next guy but I wonder if the Patriots would draft him after sitting out all year. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't take Ryan Williams as well. Sophomore, not a blocker, never really caught the ball, goes down from first contact most of the time, had a bad season. The Patriots were watching Carpenter at Alabama's Pro Day so that's possible as a reserve swing tackle. Kirkpatrick is a possibility but kind of a waste since he doesn't really have a realistic shot of developing into a quality starter.


The reason why I don't like the 2 DE is bc if T.Warren comes back healthy and now signing M.Stroud... it'll be hard enough to get a rookie enough reps, nevermind 2 rookies.
I think it'll be a better strategy to draft one this year and one next year so they don't stunt each other's growth.

As far OLB, I like Houston bc he already knows how to rush the passer while standing up.
It's a big enough transition for other DE/OLB hybrids bc they have to learn how to rush while standing up AND how to cover in space.
Houston will only have to learn how to cover in space. A smaller learning curve.
I tend to disagree with the notion that BB doesn't look for big sack numbers from his OLBs.
TBC had 10 two years ago and he was simply OK for us. We only have one starter on the roster right now (Cunningham)
You have to think BB is going to target an OLB.
we thought he was targeting one last year, and he was.
I think the same goes for this year. He might wait for the 2nd again this year
and take a guy like B.Reed instead

BB has already selected a WR from UNC who has missed a year. I don't think it's too crazy.
I'll admit though, I'm not sure if BB is targeting a WR or not.

R.Williams... I don't know why I thought he was a RS Jr, not Soph.
With that now... I agree... I doubt he becomes a Pat. Don't know how to eff'd that up

J.Kirkpatrick... I guess we'll just disagree 'cause I can see him starting and being solid


When it's all said and done, if BB drafts him, I'm not questioning the decision (again lol)

wicket
03-12-2011, 10:41 AM
I can actually live with the paea pick but it gets pretty bad beyond that.

Murray is a bad pick on 2 accounts, not only do the siants not need a running back, if they were to draft one it would be with the reasoning of injury issues with the current backs which would eliminate murray.

I personally just dont want to draft Herzlich, really dont feel like he will be back to be fair (althoguh im rootin for him).

Nate Irving is just someone im not really high on, looks like a borderline draftable prospect to me.

If you want to go Paea in the first id go:

1 Stephen Paea
2 Brooks Reed
3a Jabaal Sheard
3b Casey Matthews

If you are not stuck to Paea in the first

1 Adrian Clayborn (not a fan of houston in the 4-3 of the saints)
2 Brooks REed
3a Greg Jones
3b Jerrell Powe

Tom Servo
03-12-2011, 10:42 AM
Love this Browns draft. I prefer Young to Hankerson at WR but its splitting hairs. You nailed the positions of need

GB12
03-12-2011, 12:01 PM
Brandon Burton might work, I'll consider it next time if he's available. I don't know whether or not Nick Barnett will be back so I had them drafting Martez Wilson to play next to AJ Hawk. He's got a lot of pass rush experience on delayed blitzes and twists, and could play a little bit of end out of a sub package or outside linebacker in the base. That might be very appealing to Capers. In this scenario, Moch would be projected as the rusher opposite Matthews.

Desmond Bishop is starting next to AJ Hawk. He's the reason Barnett won't be back.

Matthew Jones
03-12-2011, 12:03 PM
The reason why I don't like the 2 DE is bc if T.Warren comes back healthy and now signing M.Stroud... it'll be hard enough to get a rookie enough reps, nevermind 2 rookies.
I think it'll be a better strategy to draft one this year and one next year so they don't stunt each other's growth.

As far OLB, I like Houston bc he already knows how to rush the passer while standing up.
It's a big enough transition for other DE/OLB hybrids bc they have to learn how to rush while standing up AND how to cover in space.
Houston will only have to learn how to cover in space. A smaller learning curve.
I tend to disagree with the notion that BB doesn't look for big sack numbers from his OLBs.
TBC had 10 two years ago and he was simply OK for us. We only have one starter on the roster right now (Cunningham)
You have to think BB is going to target an OLB.
we thought he was targeting one last year, and he was.
I think the same goes for this year. He might wait for the 2nd again this year
and take a guy like B.Reed instead

BB has already selected a WR from UNC who has missed a year. I don't think it's too crazy.
I'll admit though, I'm not sure if BB is targeting a WR or not.

R.Williams... I don't know why I thought he was a RS Jr, not Soph.
With that now... I agree... I doubt he becomes a Pat. Don't know how to eff'd that up

J.Kirkpatrick... I guess we'll just disagree 'cause I can see him starting and being solid


When it's all said and done, if BB drafts him, I'm not questioning the decision (again lol)

It's possible that the Patriots will shy away from DE but when you have a 30 year old guy coming off of a season on IR and a chance to get a great value, you might have to take it. I agree that they will target an OLB at some point, I just don't know if Houston is what they're looking for. Look up some of his interviews on Youtube - he might not be the smartest tool in the shed, although he doesn't seem like a bad kid or anything. Brooks Reed doesn't fit into the defense because he can't shed blocks. We all want an OLB but if there isn't one available that would be able to handle the responsibilities the defense requires, it's not going to address the need. I could see Little, I'm just not sure. Physically he's great, but it might be too big a flag for BB.

Matthew Jones
03-12-2011, 12:11 PM
Love this Browns draft. I prefer Young to Hankerson at WR but its splitting hairs. You nailed the positions of need

I could see either one depending on what Cleveland is looking for. I think Young might be a better prospect and could remind Shurmur of Donnie Avery, but Hankerson is a better fit for a west-coast offense because of his size. Keep in mind that Colt McCoy doesn't exactly have a cannon and might not be as effective throwing deep, which cancels out a lot of Young's value.

49erNation85
03-12-2011, 12:17 PM
I love this draft for SF.All around nice work.As Westbrook is a goner we now need a young RB to fill in the duties for Dixon.

prock
03-12-2011, 12:22 PM
THere are better picks than Bailey in the second, but Gabbert is neat.

Abaddon
03-13-2011, 05:32 AM
I forgot I had assigned the Raiders Wisniewski when I gave them O'Dowd, so I would have probably changed O'Dowd in retrospect. The Raiders have hired Wisniewski's dad as assistant OL coach so that's an easy connection to make. If he's available I think he'll get strong consideration. I could kind of see House on the Raiders but I'm still leaning towards Carmichael there between the two.

His uncle, actually.

But, yeah. In Rd4, I think you have to give Virgil Green a lot of consideration after the Combine he had and the Michael Lombardi report that Zach Miller has turned down a hefty contract to test the market.