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Hines
03-22-2007, 12:41 PM
Justin Upton
Cameron Maybin
Andrew McCutchen
Jay Bruce
princefielder28
03-22-2007, 12:42 PM
I'll say Upton b/c of the pedigree but it's hard to tell right now
Hines
03-22-2007, 12:43 PM
i chose mccutchen because im a pirate homer
and i think he could potentionally go 30-30
princefielder28
03-22-2007, 12:44 PM
i chose mccutchen because im a pirate homer
and i think he could potentionally go 30-30
I figured that! :)
PalmerToCJ
03-22-2007, 12:45 PM
As a Reds fan I can ignore the bias to Bruce and take Maybin... He's a beast. My friend played in a lot of camps with him and said he drops absolute bombs.
VoteLynnSwan
03-22-2007, 12:47 PM
I'll say Upton b/c of the pedigree but it's hard to tell right now
haha what pedigree? His brother has yet to do anything worthy of his draft status/talent level.
princefielder28
03-22-2007, 12:48 PM
haha what pedigree? His brother has yet to do anything worthy of his draft status/talent level.
I'm talking more of the expectations and abilities.
Hines
03-22-2007, 12:53 PM
haha what pedigree? His brother has yet to do anything worthy of his draft status/talent level.
i think justin will be way better than bj anyday
i was mad when the pirates picked bullington and didnt pick upton or anyone else that is a start on the big stage right now
Hines
03-22-2007, 12:54 PM
As a Reds fan I can ignore the bias to Bruce and take Maybin... He's a beast. My friend played in a lot of camps with him and said he drops absolute bombs.
bruce is gonna be realy good
those doubles taht he hit last year will turn into homers soon
and maybin is a beast
but i think he will have more stolen bases than homers imo
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 12:58 PM
I am very high on all of these prospects. Of them all, Upton has the highest ceiling, Mayhbin will have the most immediate impact, McCutchen is the more advanced 5-tooler, and Bruce is the most consistent.
I personally prefer McCutchen because of his all around game and success at all levels of ball. In his senior year of HS, Crutch hit over .700 and his OBP was like .850. He has killed the ball at A, A+, and AA. He is a year away from a real callup, but I like him the best personally.
Hines
03-22-2007, 01:02 PM
I am very high on all of these prospects. Of them all, Upton has the highest ceiling, Mayhbin will have the most immediate impact, McCutchen is the more advanced 5-tooler, and Bruce is the most consistent.
I personally prefer McCutchen because of his all around game and success at all levels of ball. In his senior year of HS, Crutch hit over .700 and his OBP was like .850. He has killed the ball at A, A+, and AA. He is a year away from a real callup, but I like him the best personally.
there was talks taht they would keep cutch on the opening roster this year but htey decided to send him to AA which i think he will dominate once again and he dominate AAA. he will be the starting CF for pittsburgh in '08. i would almost concider comparing him to kgj is a way. but he wont hit as many homers as griffey
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 01:04 PM
I think he compares well to a young Barry Bonds, actually. He has all the skills young Bonds had. Gap power, patience, plate coverage, range in the OF, developing power. Eery that he's a Pirates prospect... I personally like Crutch a ton. I think he has a bright future.
Hines
03-22-2007, 01:08 PM
I think he compares well to a young Barry Bonds, actually. He has all the skills young Bonds had. Gap power, patience, plate coverage, range in the OF, developing power. Eery that he's a Pirates prospect... I personally like Crutch a ton. I think he has a bright future.
i hope he pans out because im really excited for the pirates future
the rotation will be stacked bringin in lincoln
and bixler and walker will be great
is there hitting prospects in the draft this year that is worth the fourth pick
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 01:29 PM
I don't follow the MLB draft. I follow minor leagues and major leaguers. The Pirates have a good crop of OF's and P's coming in. They need bullpen help, though. That is a real key for them. Scoring runs and closing out games. I like their future for now with Duffy in CF, Crutch as a future RF, with Bay out in LF. The pitching staff should be very good once they get some more experience.
McCutchen has the advantage over the other three in terms of production because he's the only one that has made it past A Ball. I'm personally a fan of Cameron Maybin. He outperformed Justin Upton by a lot last year and is tearing it up with the Tigers this Spring Training. His power isn't there yet, but he's not even 20 yet (His birthday is the day before mine http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif). I think he has 30/40 potential and will become a .300 hitter. He was my second favorite in that 2005 draft.
Hines
03-22-2007, 02:23 PM
McCutchen has the advantage over the other three in terms of production because he's the only one that has made it past A Ball. I'm personally a fan of Cameron Maybin. He outperformed Justin Upton by a lot last year and is tearing it up with the Tigers this Spring Training. His power isn't there yet, but he's not even 20 yet (His birthday is the day before mine http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif). I think he has 30/40 potential and will become a .300 hitter. He was my second favorite in that 2005 draft.
who was your first
is there hitting prospects in the draft this year that is worth the fourth pick
This year's draft is hard to predict right now. It is filled with pitchers, and hitters are fairly thin at the top of the draft. Matt Wieters, the catcher out of Georgia Tech is the best hitter in the draft. He is however, expected to be drafted by the Royals #2 overall. However, he is a Boras client so if signability issues arise, he could slip a few more spots. The only other hitters that come to mind that are expected to be top 10 picks are Josh Vitters, the High School third baseman from California, and Julio Borbon, the outfielder from Tennessee. Vitters has the most power of anyone from this year's class, so if the Pirates are looking for hitters, he'd be a good pick at #4.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 02:30 PM
who was your first
Mahybin is his first. I'm pretty sure he's a Tigers fan.
Hines
03-22-2007, 02:32 PM
what about justin jackson
where would you see him
and i kinda like backman from nc state
I'm not sure about Justin Jackson. I've seen places put him in the top 12, but I've also seen a lot of places put him in the late 20's. I think he falls somewhere in the 15-25 range, but I'm not too up on my High School prospects.
Brackman is a monster... Literally. He's 7'0" with a 99 mph fastball (95 consistantly). He also plays basketball for the Wolfpack. His breaking ball is his best pitch. He looks like a top 5 pick, the only thing is that could hurt his draft status is that some teams may view him as a closer.
haha what pedigree? His brother has yet to do anything worthy of his draft status/talent level.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, lol...
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 02:46 PM
If I'm the Phillies, I look to get Brackman in this draft and get him to the majors very quickly. Gordon is not going to last much longer, of course.
Hines
03-22-2007, 02:50 PM
I'm not sure about Justin Jackson. I've seen places put him in the top 12, but I've also seen a lot of places put him in the late 20's. I think he falls somewhere in the 15-25 range, but I'm not too up on my High School prospects.
Brackman is a monster... Literally. He's 7'0" with a 99 mph fastball (95 consistantly). He also plays basketball for the Wolfpack. His breaking ball is his best pitch. He looks like a top 5 pick, the only thing is that could hurt his draft status is that some teams may view him as a closer.
i wuld like the pirates to get brackman
and the rotation could possibly be
1.snell
2.duke
3.lincoln
4.brackman
5.gorzy
Brackman is probably out of the Phillies' range (He'll be long gone by #19, but I guess you never know with a Boras client). If the Phils are indeed looking for a closer, they'll probably be in range to pick up Cole St. Clair of Rice. A lot of people think he's the most major league player in the draft.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 02:53 PM
That would work well for me. The Phillies have a lot of guys developing down in A and A+ right now. They need players ready to play at the MLB level. I figure Brackman will go somewhere else, but he sounds tantalizing. I have heard of St. Clair, who didn't come out in the draft pool because of all the obvious pitching talent last year.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 02:55 PM
I just read up on Brackman. He has a good fastball and good curve, but he doesn't have a third or fourth plus pitch. With his size, he is apt to wear down on the hill and not go deep into games. He is also a potential injury risk as a starter. His quickest path to the majors would be as a stud reliever. With a great fastball and breaking ball, you can close in the majors. 2 plus pitches and a third decent pitch is all you really need.
Jughead10
03-22-2007, 02:55 PM
All I know is that Yankees probably need a hitter. There pitching is deep. But Duncan hasn't panned out as of yet and Tabata is still well away. They could use a catching prospect. I've been saying that for two years now. They have nobody in the minors there.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 02:58 PM
We should probably have a mod change the title of this thread to the "MLB Future/Prospects Thread"
Hines
03-22-2007, 02:58 PM
hahaha ya
but man i live in az and im kinda excited about watchin the "baby backs" play this year
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 03:03 PM
The DBacks are going to be an interesting squad to watch. They have a ton of young talent and good pitching. I'm not sure if they'll compete for the division this year, but they're on their way.
Jughead10
03-22-2007, 03:04 PM
I know nothing about the draft in baseball until it is right upon us and I read up on some guys. Besides the catcher from G Tech is there any other decent catching options.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 03:07 PM
Each MLB draft is like 30 rounds, and there are 30 teams. There are also sandwich and compensatory rounds, so something like 900 or more players are taken. 70% of these players will never make it to AAA ball. 90% or more will never have a meaniningful MLB career. Prospect identification and development is very key for all teams because young players are cheap, which helps teams afford veterans.
J.P. Arencibia of Tennessee is the other catcher who will probably be a 1st Round pick. Although I really don't think he makes it to the Yankees. You never know though, the MLB Draft is the hardest to predict. Me, thule, and a NYtitan did mock draft about a week before the draft last year and we only hit on a couple picks.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 03:10 PM
Signability and players heading to college are big factors. Things chance up to the minute, and it's very hard to predict. Scouting is such an inexact science, and people get hung up on prospects for the wrong reasons. There's a reason why you have HOF-ers from the first overall pick and HOFers from the last round, like Piazza. It is hard to predict what players will become.
Jughead10
03-22-2007, 03:10 PM
Well they signed 16 year old Jesus Montero to a big contract last year but most believe he isn't going to be a catcher and will have to be moved. Other believe he was extremely overhyped and we made a bad move.
Jughead10
03-22-2007, 03:11 PM
Signability and players heading to college are big factors. Things chance up to the minute, and it's very hard to predict. Scouting is such an inexact science, and people get hung up on prospects for the wrong reasons. There's a reason why you have HOF-ers from the first overall pick and HOFers from the last round, like Piazza. It is hard to predict what players will become.
They great thing about signablility is the Yankees will throw a lot of money.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 03:12 PM
Even at 16, no one knows what will happen with these kids. Some grow up to become Vlad, and others never make it to AA. It is harder to project a kid's future at 16 than it is at 18. The amount of money that goes into players that ends up being wasted is mind boggling. If you miss on a top draft pick, it's a $5mm-$10mm mistake with nothing to show ever.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 03:13 PM
They great thing about signablility is the Yankees will throw a lot of money.
Actually, the Yankees tend to not overpay for prospects in the draft. This might have something to do with their draft slot or the fact that they didn't have first round picks for a while due to their FA binge. However, the Yankees are very careful with what they invest in. They would rather spend their money on players giving actual results. It's a very refreshing stance, IMO.
Well Yankee fans I know are toying with the idea of drafting the likely 2008 #1 pick Pedro Alvarez and throwing a ton of money in his face to coax him to leave school.
Jughead10
03-22-2007, 03:17 PM
Actually, the Yankees tend to not overpay for prospects in the draft. This might have something to do with their draft slot or the fact that they didn't have first round picks for a while due to their FA binge. However, the Yankees are very careful with what they invest in. They would rather spend their money on players giving actual results. It's a very refreshing stance, IMO.
That was their stance. Since Cashman finally got control over almost everything this has since changed. He is now opening his checkbook for draftpicks and paying well above slot value. Last year was a prime example.
Jughead10
03-22-2007, 03:18 PM
Well Yankee fans I know are toying with the idea of drafting the likely 2008 #1 pick Pedro Alvarez and throwing a ton of money in his face to coax him to leave school.
Know nothing about him. What position, school, etc? I'm guessing he is a junior and has said he plans to stay for a senior year.
Pedro Alvarez is the 3B from Vanderbilt. He set a Vanderbilt school record with 22 HR as a freshman. He has very power potential and great speed. He was originally drafted by the Red Sox in the 2005 draft out of High School but opted to go to Vandy.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 03:30 PM
Looks like that move is going to work out for him. I'd imagine he's a top 5 or top 7 prospect now...
Looks like that move is going to work out for him. I'd imagine he's a top 5 or top 7 prospect now...
Like I said he's expected to be the #1 overall next year. So it worked out great for him, bad for my Sox. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif
Jughead10
03-22-2007, 03:56 PM
Like I said he's expected to be the #1 overall next year. So it worked out great for him, bad for my Sox. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif
Did they draft him in the first round?
No, 14th Round. It's not a big loss in terms of draft pick, but just the individual player.
Ewing
03-22-2007, 04:01 PM
Upton, he's going to take this league by storm once he comes up. A combonation of Carl Crawford and Ken Griffey Jr. is something that this league has never seen and that's exactly what he is.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 04:11 PM
No, 14th Round. It's not a big loss in terms of draft pick, but just the individual player.
When a player foregoes a draft spot to go to college, it doesn't cost a team anything except for the opportunity cost of drafting a player who could work out. There's no real money involved there.
Well they signed 16 year old Jesus Montero to a big contract last year but most believe he isn't going to be a catcher and will have to be moved. Other believe he was extremely overhyped and we made a bad move.
I believe the Yankees lowered his signing bonus because they found out that he's older, but he's still VERY talented and pretty young.
When a player foregoes a draft spot to go to college, it doesn't cost a team anything except for the opportunity cost of drafting a player who could work out. There's no real money involved there.
Oh, I know that. I was implying that the Red Sox lost the chance to draft someone else. But it was the 14th Round, so it isn't a big deal.
bsaza2358
03-22-2007, 05:29 PM
The higher up you go in the draft, the less of a chance you have of making the majors. Just a matter of talent and development time. Often times, a player will refuse to sign to play college ball and move up. I honestly don't like the process of the current MLB draft. There is too much money being given to 18 year old kids who are at least 4-5 years away from what they will actually become. Handing a kid $5mm and getting nothing back is really crappy, I'd say.
Upon further review, Alvarez is only 20 years old, not 21. Therefore, he can't be drafted this year.
Hines
03-22-2007, 05:59 PM
isnt it the class u r
like if hes a junior he can get drafted
but since he only a sophmore he cant
isnt it the class u r
like if hes a junior he can get drafted
but since he only a sophmore he cant
A player can enter the draft after HS and/or after JC, but if he decides to attend a University he'll have to wait 3 years before entering the draft.
A player can enter the draft after HS and/or after JC, but if he decides to attend a University he'll have to wait 3 years before entering the draft.
Yes, but there is one exception to the rule. If the player is a sophomore and is 21 years old before the draft he is eligible.
Smokey Joe
03-22-2007, 08:20 PM
Ryan Sweeney :D
Hines
03-22-2007, 08:21 PM
A player can enter the draft after HS and/or after JC, but if he decides to attend a University he'll have to wait 3 years before entering the draft.
well i knew that but i was tryin to say if hes in college that he has to wait till hes a junior to enter
D-Unit
03-22-2007, 08:33 PM
What do you think of Brandon Wood?
What do you think of Brandon Wood?
He'll probably have to transition to 3B because Erik Aybar is a much better defensive SS. The guy has tons of power and can hit it out of the park with the best of them. His 43 HR in 2005 led the minors. He then followed that up with 25 HR in 2006. He needs to work on his patience, as he strikes out way too much. But he's going to be a good one.
He'll probably have to transition to 3B because Erik Aybar is a much better defensive SS. The guy has tons of power and can hit it out of the park with the best of them. His 43 HR in 2005 led the minors. He then followed that up with 25 HR in 2006. He needs to work on his patience, as he strikes out way too much. But he's going to be a good one.
Yes, if both Aybar and Wood stay with the Angels, then Wood would need to shift to 3b, but if they trade Aybar, Wood could start at SS.
He's by no means a liability defensively at SS.
Hines
03-22-2007, 09:52 PM
Yes, if both Aybar and Wood stay with the Angels, then Wood would need to shift to 3b, but if they trade Aybar, Wood could start at SS.
He's by no means a liability defensively at SS.
wood is a beast
i think he could go to a lot of asg in the future
i see a tejada in him
wood is a beast
i think he could go to a lot of asg in the future
i see a tejada in him
Yeap, good comparison.
DaKid13
03-23-2007, 07:44 PM
are there any major league baseball message boards/draft boards like this one out there. I am huge into baseball and would love to find one of those sights.
Who are the top draft prospect this season?
sdpads24
03-23-2007, 08:09 PM
Its nice to see the Padres with all those picks in the first several rounds. The last few years have really been embarrasing and we have practically produced no home-grown talent.
Philliez01
03-23-2007, 10:11 PM
Some prospects I like (not sure where they go though):
Michael Taylor-RF-Stanford
Matt Wieters-P/C-Georgia Tech and Cape Cod
I like Wieters a bit though, I'm probably going to say that he will be a C at the next level (is a closer, I THINK?) and has a very good deal of pop in his bat. I do think he goes in the first round.
Some prospects I like (not sure where they go though):
Michael Taylor-RF-Stanford
Matt Wieters-P/C-Georgia Tech and Cape Cod
I like Wieters a bit though, I'm probably going to say that he will be a C at the next level (is a closer, I THINK?) and has a very good deal of pop in his bat. I do think he goes in the first round.
Wieters is a lock for the #2 overall pick (assuming there is no signability issues). He is a closer right now as well as a catcher but his future is as a hitter in the majors. Some suggest he may have to move to 1B or 3B, but he won't end up as a pitcher.
Michael Taylor should also be a 1st Round pick.
Who are the top draft prospect this season?
David Price, LHP, Vanderbilt - Pencil him in to the Devil Rays with the 1st overall pick. He is the best pitching prospect since Mark Prior in 2001. His fastball sits around 95-96 consitantly and it maxes out at 98. His stuff is just flat out filthy.
Matt Wieters, C, Georgia Tech - The best hitter in the draft, he's expected to be the #2 overall pick, assuming no signability issues arise (He's a Boras client). Also a closer in college, his future is as a hitter at the next level. He'll be drafted as a catcher but some suggest he may have to move to first base or third base.
Josh Vitters, 3B, Cyprus High School (California) - He has the most power of any hitter in this draft and he's only in High School. He's expected to be one of the first High School players taken this year.
Andrew Brackman, RHP, NC State - Most scouts project him to the closer's role, but some still think he can start. He just recently measured at 7'0" and has a fastball that can touch 99. He also played basketball for the Wolfpack.
Rick Porcello, RHP, Seton Hall Prep (New Jersey) - He's probably the top High School pitcher in the draft. Has a mid-90's fastball and a sick changeup. He also plays short, but his future is as a pitcher.
Scotty D
03-23-2007, 10:34 PM
This may be a bit to ask, but do you know any Boras players off the top of your head. I'm hoping someone will fall for the Tigers.
Boras clients in this draft?
Scotty D
03-23-2007, 10:39 PM
Boras clients in this draft?
Yeah. 10char
The only ones I know of off the top of my head are Matt Wieters and Andrew Brackman. Also, if the Diamondbacks do not sign Max Scherzer soon, he will re-enter the draft and he is a Boras client.
Scotty D
03-23-2007, 10:51 PM
The only ones I know of off the top of my head are Matt Wieters and Andrew Brackman. Also, if the Diamondbacks do not sign Max Scherzer soon, he will re-enter the draft and he is a Boras client.
Interesting. I suspect the Tigers to go with a power arm or a catcher. Lets see how Dombrowski does when hes not in the top ten.
Being 7' may acctually be a problem for pitcher.
Interesting. I suspect the Tigers to go with a power arm or a catcher. Lets see how Dombrowski does when hes not in the top ten.
It's NEVER a good idea to pick for need in the MLB draft. It's always B.P.A.
Interesting. I suspect the Tigers to go with a power arm or a catcher. Lets see how Dombrowski does when hes not in the top ten.
Well, looking at the Tigers draft position it's hard to project them this early in the process. J.P. Arencibia is the second best catcher in the draft. I've seen that he could go anywhere from mid-1st to late 1st. He could be around at #27, but it seems unlikely. Michael Main (who hasn't decided if he's going to college or going pro) could intrigue the Tigers if he's around and guys like James Adkins of Tennessee or Josh Smoker of Calhoun High School (Georgia) could be more in the Tigers range.
Being 7' may acctually be a problem for pitcher.
Yeah, that's why many people project him to closer. But I've heard someone say that his extension off the mound is so great that it makes his fastball seem much faster than it is and is unfair to hitters.
Hines
03-23-2007, 11:23 PM
Yeah, that's why many people project him to closer. But I've heard someone say that his extension off the mound is so great that it makes his fastball seem much faster than it is and is unfair to hitters.
who would u have the pirates taking
Honestly, I'm not going to do much projecting this early in the process, but I think guys like Rick Porcello, Nick Schmidt, Matt Harvey, and Joe Savery would interest the Pirates at #4.
Hines
03-24-2007, 12:39 AM
Honestly, I'm not going to do much projecting this early in the process, but I think guys like Rick Porcello, Nick Schmidt, Matt Harvey, and Joe Savery would interest the Pirates at #4.
give me some insight ont hem
ive never heard of them before
moc182
03-24-2007, 12:42 AM
PL, What's up with Chad Jones?
PL, What's up with Chad Jones?
Honestly, I have no idea what's going on with him. I know at the beginning of the year people were talking about him as a 1st Round pick, but I haven't heard anything since. If I can dig up some info I'll post it.
moc182
03-24-2007, 12:52 AM
Honestly, I have no idea what's going on with him. I know at the beginning of the year people were talking about him as a 1st Round pick, but I haven't heard anything since. If I can dig up some info I'll post it.
Thanks, I really want to see him play football, I think he's gonna be ST,Kenny Phillips good.
Well the only thing I can find right now is that Keith Law of Scouts Inc has him projected as a late 2nd Round pick. However, he also has David Price 5th on his big board, so I don't know how much you can trust his opinions.
Anyways, here's a baseball scouting report on Jones:
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/events/draft_report/y2007/index.jsp?mc=jones
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