Schaub's New Deal [Archive] - Draft Countdown Forums

Shiver

03-22-2007, 12:56 PM

good god, whats tom brady and peyton manning making?

About double that.

The Houston Chronicle shows why Houston pulled the trigger:

Before the Texans pulled the trigger, Kubiak spoke with three coaches. Gibbs, the Falcons' former offensive line coach, worked with Kubiak at Denver for years. Musgrave, who played quarterback for Kubiak at Denver, was the Falcons' quarterbacks coach last season. Groh, a longtime NFL coach, was Schaub's head coach at Virginia.

Gibbs, Musgrave and Groh praised Schaub's ability, leadership skills, intensity and competitiveness. All are convinced that, given a starting job with some talented players surrounding him, Schaub can be a consistent winner in the NFL.

TheGunShow

03-22-2007, 01:05 PM

I think if I was a Texans fan I'd of rather of hoped Quinn fell to #8.

ninerfan

03-22-2007, 01:09 PM

Ouch that price cant be right !! Can it ?

DeathbyStat

03-22-2007, 01:10 PM

I think if I was a Texans fan I'd of rather of hoped Quinn fell to #8.

I agree, Matt isn't all that mobile and their line is still awfull

GiantRutgersFan

03-22-2007, 01:25 PM

That is exactly the same contract that Eli Manning has....

Splat

03-22-2007, 01:38 PM

Ouch that price cant be right !! Can it ?

I would hope not.

bsaza2358

03-22-2007, 01:50 PM

Note about the contract: Only $7mm of it is guaranteed. Schaub gets a $7mm bonus right now and will make between $2mm and $4.5mm for the first 3 years of the deal. There are a few little escalators for throwing 30 TD's and taking the Texans to the playoffs. The first stage of the deal is a 3 year, $18mm deal with $7mm guaranteed. In 2010, there is a $10mm roster bonus due. If the Texans pay the roster bonus, the next stage of the contract is another 3 year deal. This one is a 3 year, $30mm deal with $10mm guaranteed. Annual salaries will be between $6mm and around $8mm through 2013. I think it's a well structured contract for the Texans.

bigbluedefense

03-22-2007, 01:55 PM

For everyone killing this contract...its not as much as what a 1st round qb wouldve cost them. Thats first and foremost.

And to say how does he deserve that money when he hasn't proved anything...heck, we see it every year in the draft. Schaub, while unproven, is more proven than any qb coming in this years draft, has accomplished more in the NFL than any of these qbs while still very young, and is cheaper than any of the available round 1 qbs. So whats the problem?

bsaza2358

03-22-2007, 02:05 PM

frogstomp

03-22-2007, 02:11 PM

Schaub got an annualized salary and bonus equivalent with a placeholder starting QB, with a team option to give him a solid higher salary that would be based on his performance. It is a cap savvy deal, and Schaub can easily outperform it and prove the Texans correct in a variety of ways.

Or he could, you know, suck worse than Carr and make them look like idiots.

That would prove them incorrect in a variety of ways. You gotta love speculation.

bigbluedefense

03-22-2007, 02:14 PM

Or he could, you know, suck worse than Carr and make them look like idiots.

That would prove them incorrect in a variety of ways. You gotta love speculation.

You could say the same thing about a round 1 qb though. The only thing that people can knock Houston for is how much they gave up for Schaub. That will be the key, is he worth the investment.

In terms of money, or the idea of getting a new qb, I don't think you can rip on them for that. Only what they gave up to get him.

bsaza2358

03-22-2007, 02:14 PM

You make a good point. I happen to like Schaub. I liked him coming out of school. I think he will do well in a WCO. Certainly, having a zone blocking system and a WR like Andre Johnson won't hurt. The Texans need to add more talent in this draft...

frogstomp

03-22-2007, 02:30 PM

You could say the same thing about a round 1 qb though. The only thing that people can knock Houston for is how much they gave up for Schaub. That will be the key, is he worth the investment.

In terms of money, or the idea of getting a new qb, I don't think you can rip on them for that. Only what they gave up to get him.

That was pretty much my whole point... it's all speculation. We can go with our personal opinions on the guy, but we've never really seen him, other than one game against a horribly depleted New England defense. We won't know until the end of next year.

bigbluedefense

03-22-2007, 02:33 PM

That was pretty much my whole point... it's all speculation. We can go with our personal opinions on the guy, but we've never really seen him, other than one game against a horribly depleted New England defense. We won't know until the end of next year.

You just said something smart. Quick, neutralize it with some random humor.

lod01

03-22-2007, 02:35 PM

Matt Schaub will take this team to the playoffs BEFORE Carr finishes a full NFL season at 8-8 or better.

frogstomp

03-22-2007, 02:37 PM

You just said something smart. Quick, neutralize it with some random humor.

I can't do anything when I'm under pressure! Just ask my girlfriend!

bsaza2358

03-22-2007, 02:38 PM

And there it is!

The Legend

03-22-2007, 03:03 PM

wait is that not more then Carr ouch

comahan

03-22-2007, 03:05 PM

I think if I was a Texans fan I'd of rather of hoped Quinn fell to #8.

No.

No, no, no.

bsaza2358

03-22-2007, 03:44 PM

Carr was getting paid more over the next 3 seasons than Schaub will make during that time.

bigbluedefense

03-22-2007, 03:49 PM

I can't do anything when I'm under pressure! Just ask my girlfriend!

Nice, I gotta spread rep around before I can give you more. But Ill come back to this one so I can rep it.

smittyjs

03-22-2007, 04:04 PM

I can't do anything when I'm under pressure! Just ask my girlfriend!Which one ????

SeanTaylorRIP

03-22-2007, 04:06 PM

Yeah my UVA boy makin some money.

MP123

03-22-2007, 05:14 PM

According to ESPN.com it's a six year 48 million dollar deal.

Oh my ******* God. I can't wait until Schaub sucks. David Carr isn't a bad quarterback. People will see that if he gets shipped to a good team.

Crickett

03-22-2007, 05:30 PM

I'm hoping David Carr ends up in Carolina. A team with a pretty good offensive line (especially is Wharton comes back healthy), an incredibly dangerous deep threat in Steve Smith for David Carr to launch the ball to and one of the better all time possession receivers (Keyshawn) in case he wants to check down. Not to mention DeAngelo Williams, Deshaun Foster, Eric Shelton and Nick Goings at RB.

I keep hearing how David Carr takes too long to throw the ball, that he can't read defenses, he doesn't extend his arms when catching the ball, he can't beat the jam, he doesn't get good push while rushing the passer, he doesn't have the recovery speed to catch up with receivers, yadda yadda yadda. Guys, remember once upon Steve Young was a bust for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. A guy who completed 53% of his passes and threw 11 TD's and 21 INT's.

I'd like to see what David Carr can do on a team where he's not getting sacked 347 times before I declare his NFL career dead.

Big Mike

03-22-2007, 06:54 PM

Oh my ******* God. I can't wait until Schaub sucks. David Carr isn't a bad quarterback. People will see that if he gets shipped to a good team.

THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAY. I see a good QB in him with a crap O-LINE

princefielder28

03-22-2007, 06:54 PM

Yeah my UVA boy makin some money.

Al Groh must be proud!

MP123

03-22-2007, 07:33 PM

THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAY. I see a good QB in him with a crap O-LINE

He completed 68.3% of his passes 11 tds and 12 ints. If that's what he can do in Houston, then he can do hella good on a good team. And after they signed Schaub for $48 million, I officially lost all respect I had for the organization.

draftguru151

03-22-2007, 07:48 PM

What are you gonna say when the rookie QBs get 60+ deal? Him getting that money is no different than those guys.

Big Mike

03-22-2007, 07:48 PM

What are you gonna say when the rookie QBs get 60+ deal? Him getting that money is no different than those guys.

thts a good point

jkpigskin

03-22-2007, 08:23 PM

im pretty excited to watch shuab next year.... i think he can suceed

MP123

03-22-2007, 08:37 PM

What are you gonna say when the rookie QBs get 60+ deal? Him getting that money is no different than those guys.

I disagree with you there. This guy was picked in the 3rd round. It's different from a 1st overall pick qb. You expect a first rounder to be a franchise guy and they show in college they can be a franchise guy. Schaub obviously didn't show that in college or else he'd of been a first rounder. And also, if you think Schab is worth $48 million, then you must think Garrard is worth $48 million. Garrard played well when he had to fill in. Then they'd both be highly overpaid.

omecool20

03-22-2007, 10:04 PM

I am amazed by this deal. He is not even a proven starting qb. The Texans are taking a huge gamble on this one. They have to settle on the o-line first. Even Peyton cannot survive behind the current Texans o-line.

GiantRutgersFan

03-22-2007, 10:07 PM

David Carr sucks. He has decent stats, but thats cause he never throws the ball more then 5 yards at a time.

If you actually watch the guy play, he sucks

smittyjs

03-22-2007, 10:22 PM

I disagree with you there. This guy was picked in the 3rd round. It's different from a 1st overall pick qb. You expect a first rounder to be a franchise guy and they show in college they can be a franchise guy. Schaub obviously didn't show that in college or else he'd of been a first rounder. And also, if you think Schab is worth $48 million, then you must think Garrard is worth $48 million. Garrard played well when he had to fill in. Then they'd both be highly overpaid.Schab is younger have still has alot more Potential than what garrard has shown. Schab actually fell a little bit more than most thought he would, he also fits the offense that the Texans are running now. Yes they gave him alot of money, but who didn't get a huge contract this season??

smittyjs

03-22-2007, 10:23 PM

He completed 68.3% of his passes 11 tds and 12 ints. If that's what he can do in Houston, then he can do hella good on a good team. And after they signed Schaub for $48 million, I officially lost all respect I had for the organization.
ALL he did last season was check down to RB, never looking deep and taking a chance, also he has a VERY slow release, he just stands there hanging on to the ball way to long in the pocket.

detroit4life

03-22-2007, 11:47 PM

I disagree with you there. This guy was picked in the 3rd round. It's different from a 1st overall pick qb. You expect a first rounder to be a franchise guy and they show in college they can be a franchise guy. Schaub obviously didn't show that in college or else he'd of been a first rounder. And also, if you think Schab is worth $48 million, then you must think Garrard is worth $48 million. Garrard played well when he had to fill in. Then they'd both be highly overpaid.

and at the same time shaubs proved more in the NFL than guys liek quinn or russell. The texans are looking at shaub as a franchise QB just like a team drafting a first round QB would view that player. Whats the difference? r u saying he shouldn't get a big contract because he went in the 3rd round because im pretty sure Tom Brady went in the 5th round do u think he doesnt deserve the contract he got?

THIZZorDIE

03-23-2007, 02:38 AM

It'll be funny if they draft Levi Jones. They trade for a new QB, and give him a LT, the LT Carr never had. Whether you like one QB over the other, it sounds like a raw deal for Carr. They could've fixed the one certain problem they had in the OL years ago. They at least need an insurance policy for this new era and QB though...

MP123

03-23-2007, 08:49 AM

and at the same time shaubs proved more in the NFL than guys liek quinn or russell. The texans are looking at shaub as a franchise QB just like a team drafting a first round QB would view that player. Whats the difference? r u saying he shouldn't get a big contract because he went in the 3rd round because im pretty sure Tom Brady went in the 5th round do u think he doesnt deserve the contract he got?

Tom Brady is worth every penny. He has proved himself time and time again out on the field. Schaub hasn't even played a full season. The Texans obviously don't have a lot of confidence in him if they only gave him a $7 million bonus.

OzTitan

03-23-2007, 09:14 AM

He completed 68.3% of his passes 11 tds and 12 ints. If that's what he can do in Houston, then he can do hella good on a good team. And after they signed Schaub for $48 million, I officially lost all respect I had for the organization.

With a <6.3 YPA, close to that of Vince Young's. The year before that had went UNDER 6 yards per attempt.

Also, for that poster with the ringing endorsements for Schaub from the Falcons - yeah, like they'd say "well, we don't like him THAT much, but two seconds and a 1st please" :).

portermvp84

03-23-2007, 09:41 AM

I think he's worth the money he's more mobile than David Carr, he gonna win more games than Carr and have better stats.

turninandburnin1

03-23-2007, 09:43 AM

Schaub will have fun behind that great Houston Texan line.

MP123

03-23-2007, 06:48 PM

Schaub will have fun behind that great Houston Texan line.

I'm gonna lmao when he's running for his life.

detroit4life

03-25-2007, 04:59 PM

Tom Brady is worth every penny. He has proved himself time and time again out on the field. Schaub hasn't even played a full season. The Texans obviously don't have a lot of confidence in him if they only gave him a $7 million bonus.

or mayb they were able to get him signed with only a 7 million dollar bonus i dont blame them for not giving more money then they need