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bonzi
03-22-2007, 12:50 PM
Well, now this it's a sure thing the Texans are looking to trade him, do you think we should make a move for him. He might be able to do some good things if we sure up our o-line, a good O-Line is somthing he hasn't had has he's been sacked almost 250 times in his years with the Texans. It might be a good idea, even if your going with T.Jack to sure things up.

Severe Punishment
03-22-2007, 02:54 PM
If we decide we want him...the earliest we'd look to trade for him would be after our 1st round pick. I'm pretty sure the team is holding on to the smallest notion that Quinn is still going to fall to us at 7.

I wouldn't hate Carr coming here, I like him over Trent Green or Jake Plummer but I wouldn't love it either. If he came here we'd have to look at him realistically.
He's a 5 year starter with 200+ sacks on his body. Has never thrown for
more than 16 td's in a year has more career INT's than TD's.
Right now he's worth (to me) nothing more than a 08 4th round pick.

The Dynasty
03-22-2007, 03:48 PM
If we decide we want him...the earliest we'd look to trade for him would be after our 1st round pick. I'm pretty sure the team is holding on to the smallest notion that Quinn is still going to fall to us at 7.

True. It could become a Draft Day Trade like the Javon and Bronco's deal. I would agree i wouldnt hate it but id be worried about him producing.

swagger
03-22-2007, 08:39 PM
I heard today somewhere that he will probably get released, not traded. The NFL knows that with the deal that Schaub signed and given what they gave up for him, he is their guy.

Carr will get released, IMO.

Severe Punishment
03-22-2007, 09:31 PM
During their press conference today the Texans made it very clear that Schaub was the starter and Carr wasn't needed anylonger....but I don't see them giving away Carr for "nothing" when about 5 teams could use him (Carolina and Philly seem like decent fits).

crazyisme
03-22-2007, 11:29 PM
i agree, but i think carr may be cut by then but who knows


not to mention if we trade for carr before the draft we would lose all leverage with a team who would want to trade up with us thinking we will draft quinn...

Severe Punishment
03-23-2007, 12:57 AM
It's pretty safe to say right now that Cleveland and Detroit both have the upper hand in trying to trade down to a team interested in trading up for Quinn...as both have put on the "we want him to" coats.

I think if somehow he gets by both then Washington almost immediately makes a deal. Tampa wants Okoye, Thomas or Calvin...one will be there and Arizona wants Adams, Landry or Thomas...one will be there.
Washington is short picks and might even "short" themselves a little to pick up a few picks this year....if Quinn is around at 6 the Skins' won't be.
If for whatever reasons known to man, he is there at 7 , I think there's little doubt we'd be handing in a card that reads Brady Quinn.
However everyday closer we get to the draft the less likely that seems.

swagger
03-23-2007, 03:00 PM
During their press conference today the Texans made it very clear that Schaub was the starter and Carr wasn't needed anylonger....but I don't see them giving away Carr for "nothing" when about 5 teams could use him (Carolina and Philly seem like decent fits).

Texans released QB David Carr and RB Domanick Williams.
Mar. 23 - 3:57 pm et

I was right, you were wrong.

Severe Punishment
03-23-2007, 03:25 PM
Oh well, there's a first time for everything.


I'm awaiting the legions of "fans" who'll now bark and shout that both of these guys should be in purple uni's this year.

swagger
03-23-2007, 03:28 PM
Oh well, there's a first time for everything.

I'm awaiting the legions of "fans" who'll now bark and shout that both of these guys should be in purple uni's this year.

2nd, at least. Remember, you called me a name for saying the Steelers would hire Tomlin as head coach? A name that rhymes with bassist.

The Dynasty
03-23-2007, 03:53 PM
Today on NFL Live they asked Mark Schelert and Floyd Reese(ex-GM For Titans) both hinted at Carr should go to Minny, because of the Young QB and he would be able to step in. I wouldnt mind getting him for a backup positon but not starting. Davis shouldnt be in purple.

Crazy_Chris
03-23-2007, 03:57 PM
I was skeptical about trading anything for Carr but now that The texans released carr i think we have nothing to lose by signing him to compete with T-Jack

Severe Punishment
03-23-2007, 03:58 PM
Am I the ONLY one here who thinks right now Brooks Bollinger probably goes into training camp as the #1 ?

The Dynasty
03-23-2007, 04:02 PM
Am I the ONLY one here who thinks right now Brooks Bollinger probably goes into training camp as the #1 ?

I think its Tarvaris Jackson and if he loses that #1 spot its his own fault but i think he will be #1.

Crazy_Chris
03-23-2007, 04:05 PM
If Brooks Bollinger is our #1 going into training camp than we reallyyyyy need to sign David Carr or make sure we get Brady Quinn

swagger
03-23-2007, 04:52 PM
Am I the ONLY one here who thinks right now Brooks Bollinger probably goes into training camp as the #1 ?

Yes, and that includes Childress.

Severe Punishment
03-23-2007, 04:52 PM
Seriously , Bollinger has more years in the league...probably better prepared (I would hope) not only that he actually looked better prior to his injury than either Johnson or Jackson did all of last year.

Does anyone REALLY believe that Jackson is going to be so far along come week 1 that they can cast him the starter now ?...In April ?
Forget acquiring a QB...of the 2 that are on the roster...who makes more sense to start now ?

swagger
03-23-2007, 05:00 PM
Does anyone REALLY believe that Jackson is going to be so far along come week 1 that they can cast him the starter now ?...In April ? Forget acquiring a QB...of the 2 that are on the roster...who makes more sense to start now ?

Childress. He is the one who drafted him, and then started him. He is the one who met with him in Alabama (while attending Senior Bowl) and discussed offense. He is the one who flew him up to Winter Park to be present for FA signing, i.e. Shinacoe.

Frankly, I think Jackson is destined to fail. He doesn't have the support of offensive playmakers in order to succeed. I think all rookie quarterbacks would be destined to fail, as well. We just don't have the targets.

Severe Punishment
03-23-2007, 05:14 PM
Wrong, wrong and wrong. Childress did NOT draft him. Childress started him part out of frustration where the offense was, part because Brad Johnson's talking to the media (a big no no to B.C.) and part because Bollinger was hurt (lack of a better option).
It wasn't really a "choice" when your team went 2-4 and was still in the playoff hunt. He took a gamble, a risk...seeing the results of some of the other drafted QB's and it backfired...not only did the team NOT respond, it went backwards. Unless of course you think 3 first downs in a GAME is a step in the right direction. Furthermore Childress met in Alabama because Jackson drove down there scared out of his mind that the team was going to shelve him after his putrid campaign. They had lunch, seriously, so what ?
Is Childress now suddenly going to throw away his unbiasis because he has a lunch buddy ?
I'd love to see something that said CHILDRESS bought and paid for Jackson to be there for our "big" signing of Shiancoe.
I will say any rookie QB stepping into this situation is probably destined for failure, however when you lack the skills to begin with (both physcially and mental preperation) you don't have a snowballs chance in hades.

swagger
03-23-2007, 05:23 PM
You don't know any of this, and you can't prove any of this. You don't like Tarvaris, so you are making up crap to make him look bad. That's what you tend to do with most of your opinions (make up facts to support them).

Severe Punishment
03-23-2007, 05:27 PM
So this is what happens when I ask you to support your claim ?
Fact is you can't prove that Childress had ANYTHING to do with Jackson getting drafted and you completely made up that crap ,about him being brought up here on Childress' dime , for the signing of Shiancoe.

Severe Punishment
03-23-2007, 05:35 PM
Here's some quotes from Childress on Carr:

Some have thought David Carr might be on the Vikings radar. But coach Brad Childress was candid in his assessment of Carr, the top overall pick in the 2002 draft. "I always struggled with where his release came from," Childress said. (http://www.startribune.com/510/story/1073943.html) "It's kind of a drop-down, three-quarter, not overhand, over the top release. Just in the tape I've watched [since] he's been in the league, he can make some of the throws, he can't make all the throws. He gets some balls batted [down] at the line of scrimmage just because of where that ball comes from. ... "He's a smart guy, he's a decent athlete but when you're buying a quarterback at this level and you kick the tires, there shouldn't be a lot of things that you're trying to straighten out."

http://www.benmaller.com/archives/2007/march/23#137606

Looks like we might be "set" with Jackson / Bollinger and Henson going into
07...yippie.

swagger
03-23-2007, 08:44 PM
So this is what happens when I ask you to support your claim ?
Fact is you can't prove that Childress had ANYTHING to do with Jackson getting drafted and you completely made up that crap ,about him being brought up here on Childress' dime , for the signing of Shiancoe.

LOL! Childress is a former offensive coordinator and former quarterbacks coach. When the "Triangle of Authority" existed, Zygi said Childress was the main decision-making authority, and said he had the final say on everything.

Are you really ignorant enough to conclude that anybody other than Childress made the final call on Tarvaris Jackson?

Severe Punishment
03-23-2007, 09:45 PM
He said he wanted a "diamond in the rough" are you so ignorant that this statement translates to "trade up multiple picks for Cook and Jackson" in ANY way ?

No, and the guy who called that shot was fired.
THE DAY after the draft...coincidence ? I think not.

swagger
03-23-2007, 11:36 PM
So then it would be safe to say that Tarvaris won't be starting in 07, then, right?

If Tarvaris is starting, it'd be easy to see that he was Childress' baby.

So I guess a few months time will tell, eh? I think you will end up looking foolish, just like when you vehemently bashed me for saying Tomlin would get the Steelers' HC gig.

Severe Punishment
03-24-2007, 01:54 AM
Why would that be a safe bet ? Childress doesn't have much to work with...he's already said it's an open competition going into next year. Do I like it ? No, do I think Bollinger is the ABOSLUTE starter ? No. Do I think he probably is a step ahead of Jackson AT THIS POINT ? Yes. DOes that mean it can't change ? No.
None of this though has anything to do with being "childress' baby". In fact if The Vikes end up taking a QB AT ALL on draft day will you FINALLY conclude that Jackson was not Childress' pick at all ?

And our arguement was over the D.C of the Vikes for this year...I said I didn't think Tomlin was going anywhere not that he couldn't.

wogitalia
03-24-2007, 10:39 AM
I think we should be looking more at Davis than Carr, though both, if healthy, would be starters for us without a doubt as the team stands(given an unbiased coaching decision).

Carr is better and more talented than any of our QBs and its not even close.

Davis at 75% is a better player than Taylor. If he is less than 75% he should still be a very good backup back and give us a player with a somewhat different style to Chester.

Either way, we should be talking to both. I know we probably wont because we have an arrogant and useless git in charge.

The Dynasty
03-24-2007, 10:47 AM
http://www.startribune.com/510/story/1076522.html

at the bottom bullets it says...

The Vikings have made casual inquiries about free-agent receiver Eric Moulds, released earlier this month by Houston. Moulds, 33, has 732 career receptions for the Texans and Buffalo Bills.

The Vikings told the agent for Houston quarterback David Carr, who was waived Friday, that they are not interested in signing him. They plan to enter training camp with Tarvaris Jackson and Brooks Bollinger competing for the starting job.

So either the vikings are playing the media right now saying where not interested but really are or we are not. But we could have a ex-texan on the team with Moulds and that would save us from using a pick on draft day for another WR other than 2.

General Zod
03-24-2007, 12:19 PM
Looks like we might be "set" with Jackson / Bollinger and Henson going into
07...yippie.


Then I forsee another 6-10 season for the Vikes.

DHVF
03-24-2007, 12:24 PM
Childress' offseason depth chart includes Artis Hicks as the first-team right guard and Ryan Cook as the top right tackle, the Vikings' arrangement for the final three games of last season. Childress said he expects Anthony Herrera to compete with Hicks at right guard and Marcus Johnson to share time with Cook at right tackle during mini-camp drills.

Dammit, why do we continue to play Marcus Johnson at tackle?

Severe Punishment
03-24-2007, 12:52 PM
Or anywhere for that matter.

Honestly though we shouldn't be able to justify keeping them on the roster if we have no intentions of playing them.
If they can help, we'll find out this year...what struck me as funny was the team no saying
"They plan to enter training camp with Tarvaris Jackson and Brooks Bollinger competing for the starting job."
Which sounds to me like either they don't anticipate Quinn not being there or not having any interest in him if he is.....the smokescreens are in full effect.


and it pisses me off. The 3 on the roster are not good enough.

swagger
03-24-2007, 01:44 PM
Johnson and Cook are both guards. Neither of them have the quickness or the foot speed to be on an island on the edge. If Childress tries playing either of them at RT, it will be yet another item to add to Childress' long list of misjudgments.

The Dynasty
03-24-2007, 02:01 PM
Say on draft day it comes to the 7th pick and Adams/Quinn/Landry are all gone. Do you think the organization would look at Levi or should they trade back or draft anderson or Okoye/Branch

BuckNaked
03-24-2007, 04:40 PM
Say on draft day it comes to the 7th pick and Adams/Quinn/Landry are all gone. Do you think the organization would look at Levi or should they trade back or draft anderson or Okoye/Branch

I would definitely trade down farther and pick up a wide reciever along the lines of a Dwayne Bowe or Robert Meachem.

Severe Punishment
03-24-2007, 07:08 PM
Levi Brown isn't all that great, I have no idea why I see him going top 12 in some mocks. The guys arms are short he doesn't play with great technique and doesn't have any fire....I'd prefer an Aaron Sears in the 2nd or a Tony Ugoh / Joe Staley later on if we must go RT day 1.
If we take someone at 7 for need an not because they're an elite talent I swear I'm going to mail Childress one of my turds.

The Dynasty
03-24-2007, 07:22 PM
If we take someone at 7 for need an not because they're an elite talent I swear I'm going to mail Childress one of my turds.

Lmao...I'd hope Rick Speilmen speaks up and trades down if that does happen actually.

Crazy_Chris
03-25-2007, 03:21 AM
I cant imagine all three of those gone by our pick i think landry will most likely still be on the board for us but if that came up id like to see some sort of trade down to pick up okoye, branch, bowe, jarret, or willis and maybe levi depending on how far we trade down but i agree with severe i like some of the later prospects for tackle in sears, staley or ugoh

DHVF
03-25-2007, 09:51 PM
A source says Carolina is not high on David Carr's wish list because the presence of Jake Delhomme means the Panthers already have a starter in place. Carr is eyeing Minnesota, where the offensive line is very good and he'd have a chance to start right away.
-- Charlotte Observer


Interesting, although I dunno about our oline being very good.

swagger
03-25-2007, 10:04 PM
Rick Spielman will probably pull some terrible deal on draft day. Remember, this is the guy who got outsmarted by one Mike Tice..... Tice convinced him to swap picks (20 and 21, I believe) and also acquired a day one pick. Just completely, completely stupid.

LonghornsLegend
03-26-2007, 01:52 AM
Wrong, wrong and wrong. Childress did NOT draft him. Childress started him part out of frustration where the offense was, part because Brad Johnson's talking to the media (a big no no to B.C.) and part because Bollinger was hurt (lack of a better option).
It wasn't really a "choice" when your team went 2-4 and was still in the playoff hunt. He took a gamble, a risk...seeing the results of some of the other drafted QB's and it backfired...not only did the team NOT respond, it went backwards. Unless of course you think 3 first downs in a GAME is a step in the right direction. Furthermore Childress met in Alabama because Jackson drove down there scared out of his mind that the team was going to shelve him after his putrid campaign. They had lunch, seriously, so what ?
Is Childress now suddenly going to throw away his unbiasis because he has a lunch buddy ?
I'd love to see something that said CHILDRESS bought and paid for Jackson to be there for our "big" signing of Shiancoe.
I will say any rookie QB stepping into this situation is probably destined for failure, however when you lack the skills to begin with (both physcially and mental preperation) you don't have a snowballs chance in hades.

wasnt tavaris jackson a 3rd rd pick last year? id find it odd to give up on a qb who only played some of his rookie year with not alot of weapons on offense, i mean he was drafted pretty high, so i doubt he had NO physical tools like you say, and yea he was probably shell shocked out there his first year, but why would a coach, or anyone just give up on a player so soon...i dont think he would of been drafted in the 3rd rd to go into his 2nd year behind bollinger, and i dont think that he had ZERO physical or mental tools, otherwise the thousands of people who interviewed him or saw him workout must of missed something

Severe Punishment
03-26-2007, 01:57 AM
he sux. If we're banking on him for "the future" then the future looks bleak. And he was the last pick in the 2nd round...not the 3rd...but he was projected to be a 4th round pick. We just outsmarted everyone and took him 60 picks to high.

I probably wouldn't be so hard on him if we took him where he was supposed to go. We wasted 2 solid 2nd round selections last year by reaching. If we do that with one of our day 1 picks this year we might
not win 5 games.

rchrd
03-26-2007, 08:44 AM
wasnt tavaris jackson a 3rd rd pick last year? id find it odd to give up on a qb who only played some of his rookie year with not alot of weapons on offense, i mean he was drafted pretty high, so i doubt he had NO physical tools like you say, and yea he was probably shell shocked out there his first year, but why would a coach, or anyone just give up on a player so soon...i dont think he would of been drafted in the 3rd rd to go into his 2nd year behind bollinger, and i dont think that he had ZERO physical or mental tools, otherwise the thousands of people who interviewed him or saw him workout must of missed something

You're quoting a guy who referred to Brady Quinn as a 'cant miss' QB, has him in the sig, the videos, the links, the mocks etc etc. I dont know about you but I find it hard to take anything he says about Jackson quite so seriously.

tylere0814
03-26-2007, 10:44 AM
T Jack was a second round pick. Probably a reach, but we got the guy they wanted so if he fails it's gonna fall on the front office.

Honestly i think TJack has all the tools necessary to be a very good QB. He can scrabble, something we haven't had since the early Daunte days, He's got a rocket for and arm, and once he gains some experience and more importantly gets some help on the offensive side of the ball, I think he's gonna do just fine. Something about him excites me when i watch him, we just need to add a few targets. SO i say if Adrian Peterson is available it's a no brainer, between him and Taylor we'd have a sweet duo in the backfield. And if by some way we were able to court Eric Moulds or another Reciever that TJack would feel comfortable throwing to, i think our offense is strong enough to win more games, and as long as our defense stays tough this season wont be as bad as people are making it out to be. But at the same time, our front office is doing very little to improve thus far... hopefully they've got some kind of plan set in place already, but something tells me they are waiting for draft day to make any major move.

Severe Punishment
03-26-2007, 02:42 PM
You're quoting a guy who referred to Brady Quinn as a 'cant miss' QB, has him in the sig, the videos, the links, the mocks etc etc. I dont know about you but I find it hard to take anything he says about Jackson quite so seriously.
We had another "young, athletic, strong armed QB" considered a project from a DI-AA school Anyone wanna take a guess as to whom that was.


And FYI having a sig with Quinn, having his HEISMAN video link, and a link to his biography doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Jackson is a bad project. Was a monumental reach where he was taken and a colossal mistake to put as the starting QB of this team.

LonghornsLegend
03-26-2007, 03:44 PM
he sux. If we're banking on him for "the future" then the future looks bleak. And he was the last pick in the 2nd round...not the 3rd...but he was projected to be a 4th round pick. We just outsmarted everyone and took him 60 picks to high.

I probably wouldn't be so hard on him if we took him where he was supposed to go. We wasted 2 solid 2nd round selections last year by reaching. If we do that with one of our day 1 picks this year we might
not win 5 games.

regardless of where you think he ends up, do you honestly think they would draft a qb 2nd rd, start him his rookie year, then give up on him before he even starts a 2nd year in the offense?

makes no sense, seeing as how a rookie would probably fare the same, or worst then he would, and you cannot accurately judge a qb off just his rookie season starting, i dont think any NFL gm's do much of that, kyle orton yes but he was not a 2nd rd pick

Severe Punishment
03-26-2007, 05:28 PM
regardless of where you think he ends up, do you honestly think they would draft a qb 2nd rd, start him his rookie year, then give up on him before he even starts a 2nd year in the offense?

makes no sense, seeing as how a rookie would probably fare the same, or worst then he would, and you cannot accurately judge a qb off just his rookie season starting, i dont think any NFL gm's do much of that, kyle orton yes but he was not a 2nd rd pick
Justifying starting a guy because you have no other real options isn't a viable excuse. NOT drafting a franchise QB because you reached for a project to start the very next year is boarderline inexcuseable.
I honestly feel as though Childress had planned on signing Brad Johnson to a 1 year deal, that way Jackson or Bollinger would've had 2 season beneath them...but with fans calling for Jackson (well before he was ready) and Johnson being pissed about how he was treated, he bolted.

It would be a bigger mistake for this team to pass on a stud like Quinn because of arrogance or ignorance. I'm guessing Oakland hasn't completely ruled out taking CJ with the first pick. If that happens Cleveland takes Russell and unless a blockbuster deal happens Quinn would be there at 7. If we take him , what are the positives that would be attributed to the pick ?.....and now the negatives. Are they remotely close ?

crazyisme
03-26-2007, 06:07 PM
Then I forsee another 6-10 season for the Vikes.

QB isn't our issue, Jackson will be AT LEAST as good as Johnson was for us last year, with a decent chance to be quite a bit better, if we can put some guys on the field that could catch the ball, then we might actually have a decently balanced offense

but it definately wont be Jackson that slumps us down to the bottom of the NFL, itll be our WR's and their inability to get open/catch the ball and every team throwing NINE in the box because of our inept WRs...

LonghornsLegend
03-26-2007, 08:21 PM
Justifying starting a guy because you have no other real options isn't a viable excuse. NOT drafting a franchise QB because you reached for a project to start the very next year is boarderline inexcuseable.
I honestly feel as though Childress had planned on signing Brad Johnson to a 1 year deal, that way Jackson or Bollinger would've had 2 season beneath them...but with fans calling for Jackson (well before he was ready) and Johnson being pissed about how he was treated, he bolted.

It would be a bigger mistake for this team to pass on a stud like Quinn because of arrogance or ignorance. I'm guessing Oakland hasn't completely ruled out taking CJ with the first pick. If that happens Cleveland takes Russell and unless a blockbuster deal happens Quinn would be there at 7. If we take him , what are the positives that would be attributed to the pick ?.....and now the negatives. Are they remotely close ?

the negatives are quinn ends up being decent, or not as good as what jackson will end up being ....unless your going to say brady quinn will be a better NFL qb because he's drafted higher and had a better college career, then its still a big question mark....

you do know that qb's in the top 10 end up being bust right? so seeing as how they invested such a high pick on a qb, you dont draft another one the very next year even higher, how often have you seen that?


thats almost like drafting a qb top 10 one year, then in the first rd the next because another "prospect" comes along and looks nice on paper, so you scratch the old guy because he struggled his rookie year....

Severe Punishment
03-26-2007, 08:59 PM
No it isn't,See you're already saying jackson is GOING to be a good NFL QB....and I ask , based on what ? Because he "looks good" on paper ?
If anything here Jackson has more to prove right now than does Quinn.
Say he comes here. BQ is going to be the backup . Period.
Now Say we end up going 16-0 and win the Super Bowl (idealistically this is one end of the spectrum) what have we lost then ? We'll already be a good team with enough talent to win...so Quinn becomes expendable. Look at Matt Schaub and let's use him as an example. Atlanta "sat" on him for 3 years and in return for him being on the team the traded him to Houston for the equivelant of a 1st round pick. This was Atlanta maximizing the overall value of a 3rd round pick.
So ..under this scenario, we'd be 16-0 while having at the very least an "intreguing" prospect to groom in case of injury. Who would garner at least a high 1st round in return for him.
The Best case scenario would be that both become proven NFL starting QB's.

...now on the flip side. Let's say we go 0-16 (probably more likely considering what the team did the last 9 games last year) now what ?
HOPE that one of the next 2 years QB's is as good or better coming out than a guy who most scouts pegged to start the year as the "best QB prospect of the past decade". Now I realize that Jamarcus Russell benefited from the Tigers / Irish game more than he should have, but in that game he played well...good for him. And probably bipassed Quinn as the "concensus" #1 QB. Which is all fine and dandy. But if you've followed college football for the past 2 years you can't deny that every saturday for 2 years (prior to the LSU / ND game) Quinn was regarded as THE elite prospect over Leinart / Young and every other college QB.
This talent didn't just "go away" after the Irish's loss...it simply was Russell being the 'new' QB of the month.
anyways... the worst case scenario would give the team a FRANCHISE QB (which is very different from a project with limited skills) of which the team would rallly behind. (Something that the team did NOT do behind Jackson)

Now this shouldn't come off as "we need a backup plan" , which someone said it sounded like before. What it is , is taking elite talent and not forcing him into a situation where he'd "HAVE" to do it all himself right away. Jackson / Bollinger are going to be 1/2 to start the year....and it's my opinion that neither is worth jack piss. It's also my opinion you don't pass on elite talent because you have a "maybe" at a position where you need a certainty.

swagger
03-26-2007, 09:03 PM
Brady Quinn would suck in this Viking offense. So would all rookie quarterbacks.

Severe Punishment
03-26-2007, 09:04 PM
and since no one has even ventured a guess as to my Viking trivia....I'll give you a hint.

The original question was...."We had another "young, athletic, strong armed QB" considered a "project" from a DI-AA school Does someone want to take a guess as to whom that was ??"

My HINT is...he was a 2000 6th round draft pick that the Vikings TRADED for. (and unlike jackson no team bothered reaching for him. He went exactly where he was projected)

DHVF
03-26-2007, 10:04 PM
and since no one has even ventured a guess as to my Viking trivia....I'll give you a hint.

The original question was...."We had another "young, athletic, strong armed QB" considered a "project" from a DI-AA school Does someone want to take a guess as to whom that was ??"

My HINT is...he was a 2000 6th round draft pick that the Vikings TRADED for. (and unlike jackson no team bothered reaching for him. He went exactly where he was projected)
It better not be Spergon Wynn.

Severe Punishment
03-27-2007, 02:50 AM
We have a winner !

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyiGSfQhG4QUBYyqjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12in956n7/EXP=1175047954/**http%3A//images.nfl.com/images/2001/KGBFlaniganWynn1H_123001.jpg

Severe Punishment
03-27-2007, 02:53 AM
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby54NfghGo_AAk2mjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12so78dpe/EXP=1175048077/**http%3A//cache.viewimages.com/xt/72867196.jpg%3Fv=1%26g=editorial_na%26s=1
It looks wayyyyy to familiar.

crazyisme
03-27-2007, 10:36 AM
omg not spergyn wynn!!

okay how about we....

never take another SC WR ever again, i mean we took one before and he hasnt turned out yet...so lets stay away from rice

we should use our 7th overall pick on a michigan QB!!! i mean Tom Brady went to Michigan so EVERY QB out of Michigan HAS to be great!


sometimes severe you sound like a 10 year old mentally disabled child, really you need to learn when to shut you stupid trap

Severe Punishment
03-27-2007, 01:03 PM
At this point
Jackson = Wynn.

Please offer up something than blind optimism to support otherwise.

rchrd
03-27-2007, 01:29 PM
And FYI having a sig with Quinn, having his HEISMAN video link, and a link to his biography doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Jackson is a bad project. Was a monumental reach where he was taken and a colossal mistake to put as the starting QB of this team.

Those things didnt really bother me until you uttered 'cant miss QB' somewhere, I just had to take a step back and wonder for a second. Were the rumours untrue someone was ready to pull the trigger on Jackson early in the 3rd so we (still reached) but went earlier?? I honestly cant remember.

Anyway, my point was if you're referring to someone as 'cant miss' then this could possibly effect other aspects of your arguments, including those towards Jackson. I mean if you got someone that will be great no matter what the other guy surely wont match up. I'd rather not take a lead from that school of thought tis all...

Severe Punishment
03-27-2007, 01:33 PM
And at this point I've already stated that Jackson is garbage. I'd love for someone to offer something other than "he has a strong arm" as a defense for why they feel that it's a certainty that Jackson "will be good'.

All I see is homerism and blind faith into a guy who right now is no better, no worse than Spurgeon Wynn.

Brady Quinn will statistically be better than Jackson over the next 10 years. It's inevitable.

rchrd
03-27-2007, 01:51 PM
All I see is homerism and blind faith into a guy who right now is no better, no worse than Spurgeon Wynn.

You're failing to see the difference between a can't miss franchise QB and a guy who many see as a big arm

this point I've already stated that Jackson is garbage

Brady Quinn will statistically be better than Jackson over the next 10 years. It's inevitable.



I have yet to decide whether or not we should take BQ or not because a. it doesnt matter in the slightest what I think and b. point a really stops me caring that much.

Coming from a guy sitting on the fence, the above statements may show more 'blind homerism' coming from you than the people you accuse (who im not sure). And I would feel irresponsible for taking any of it as fact.

crazyisme
03-27-2007, 02:28 PM
severe, your posts dont even warrant a response any more

you are a complete idiot that obviously lacks any clue as to what he is talking about and is blind by some sort of personal man love for brady quinn and quite possibly some sort of internal hatred towards any sort of none-white folk

you are an idiot, sir, and lack all sorts of credibility, thanks for babbling and wasting my time

The Dynasty
03-27-2007, 02:47 PM
I might have to agree with the people that get sick of the man love with Quinn. Yes he is a good QB and a great Prospect but you dont trade up to get Jackson before he goes to the texans then sit the next year and take Quinn, thats just saying your wrong and Childress wont do it. Jackson is our QB for now and accept it. I know its your opinion about how much Quinn is better than Jackson but its not like you even care what we say, You know all so your right. I dont feel that you can Judge someone off 2 Starting games. Lambeau is probably the hardest place to start your career and with out any help in the passing game 50 yrds might be good. If Tarvaris Jackson does horrible this year and he starts all 16 games than Ill say make him a back up and get a FA or Brohm. You just dont draft. Tarvaris Jackson is the Future for us at the moment. We all know Quinn is a great prospect but we would be taking a step back which is pointless. If Quinn came and play with our WR right now he would be the same as Jackson. Yes he would be a face to this franchise but with No receiving help, were going no where.

Severe Punishment
03-27-2007, 03:36 PM
You can make all the excuses for him that you want.
He played in the Jets game too.
he showed NO improvement from game to game.
He doesn't go through his progressions quick, he's to short, he plays
timid / scared. He has 3 games against premeir competition under "game
situations" He's about 3 years behind any College QB whose played at a
top level talent whose played against top tier competition.
I don't agree that Childress is "to brash" to take a QB 2 years in a row...if he finds a guy he likes, with superior skill then not only should he but it's my gut instinct that he would. That in fact is what the draft is all about...improvements in skill over what you currently have.
Drafting Brohm (at least right now) means you finish with one of the 3 worst records.......not that it's impossible, but, if you're already forcasting what's more probably (failure over success) then why on earth would you gamble with the "maybe" both on a prospect AND draft position later when there's a sure thing , staring at you in the face.


My "worst case scenario" is that Jackson starts, sucks for 8 games Childress is so stubborn that he doesn't take him out...frustration leads to injuries...and Bollinger is seen as "the answer"...with wishes for the next draft.

the_legend_killer
03-28-2007, 10:49 PM
I'd like to have David Carr on the team. *Short message and to the point*

Crazy_Chris
03-31-2007, 03:24 PM
i am so tired of the Jackson arguement seems every other week we are in here arguing about it... Quinn is elite talent and we have no clue about T-Jack thats why it would be fine to take him and if T-Jack Becomes a good starting QB ship Quinn off for at the least two first rounders... With that said all this harsh judgement of T-Jack needs to stop you hate him because we "Reached" for him but how do we know it was such a hugeeeee reach?? i mean really how do you know that he would go in the 4th? just because Kiper or some other Analyst has him going there?? they arent always right they dont know if some team falls in love with him and has him higher on there board Childress traded up to get him because he was afraid another team would take T-jack by the time we chose agiain... And this crap about saying he is horrible because he played a few games this season and showed nooooo improvment is just ludacris listen to yourself come on severe his first three gamesssssss i wouldnt expect him to show much improvement i feel it ridcoulous to say anything about T-Jack period Good or Bad because the fact remains WE DONT KNOW he hasnt had enough starts for us to know what he is going to be yet.

Crazy_Chris
03-31-2007, 03:26 PM
I'd like to have David Carr on the team. *Short message and to the point*

I would too but i believe childress has already stated that he isnt interested in Carr

Purple N Proud
04-01-2007, 03:11 PM
I would too but i believe childress has already stated that he isnt interested in Carr

I wouldn't mind Carr either. He's shown flashes of capability in Houston, but it's hard to progress when you have that Texans line.

But yea unfortunately Carr's probably played too much for Childress to have any interest. According to his philosophy he's probably looking at Marques Tuiasasopo or oooo maybe Eagle Koy Detmer.

Severe Punishment
04-02-2007, 04:58 PM
Best bet right now is that he ends up in Seattle.
I expect Trent Green to be wearing Cleveland Brown in the next 14 days or so.

Kid_Ego
04-19-2007, 02:50 AM
We had another "young, athletic, strong armed QB" considered a project from a DI-AA school Anyone wanna take a guess as to whom that was.


And FYI having a sig with Quinn, having his HEISMAN video link, and a link to his biography doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Jackson is a bad project. Was a monumental reach where he was taken and a colossal mistake to put as the starting QB of this team.

The guy we traded for Ryan Cook?

Severe Punishment
04-19-2007, 03:05 AM
The guy we traded for Ryan Cook?
The answer was Spyrgeon Wynn (sp)
btw, what did those 2 deals turn into ? Jackson and Cook

Kid_Ego
04-19-2007, 03:09 AM
Hopefully the firing of rick speilman and childress