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J-Mike88
04-01-2011, 10:04 AM
Some of these were guys I wanted the Packers to look at the past 2 drafts to be our OLB in our new 3-4 scheme....

I know of course that Aaron Maybin is a king bust, and a few years earlier Gholston also a king bust.

But what's become of all of these guys who were projected by some to be good pass rushers for 3-4 teams?
Have they shown the ability to get to QBs?

It's amazing but EVERYONE had Maybin and Larry English rated ahead of Clay Matthews in the 2009 Draft, and many Cheeseheads wanted one of them.

I'm especially looking for info on the guys I have an * by, because I've really not seen/heard/noticed much from them and/or I really wanted the Packers to take this guy.....

2009

*Connor Barwin
Cody Brown
Larry English
Victor Butler
Paul Kruger
Michael Johnson
Lawrence Sidbury
Aaron Maybin (everyone knows bust)
David Veikune
Robert Ayers
Marcus Freeman
*Clint Sintim
Tyrone McKenzie
Jason Williams

2010

*Jason Worilds
Koa Misi
Thaddeus Gibson
Derrick Morgan
Jason Pierre-Paul
Brandon Graham (hurt?)
Sergio Kindle (drunk?)
*Jerry Hughes

Any info you can give if one of these guys is your team's guy is much-appreciated.
I'm still trying to figure out what made guys like Matthews and Orakpo into legit sackmasters...... I thought some of those above guys would be by now too. I know Misi got to Rodgers once last year damm*t! Helped them beat us, our only home loss of the season.

AntoinCD
04-01-2011, 10:06 AM
Tyrone McKenzie was drafted to play inside for the Patriots but got hurt during rookie camp. The emergence of Gary Guyotn plus Brandon Spikes and Dane Fletcher made him expendable and he was cut. Last I heard he was playing for the Bucs

Bengalsrocket
04-01-2011, 03:04 PM
Michael Johnson was a project when we drafted him. He started out as a defensive end in our 4-3, then got turned into a defensive end / linebacker hybrid when we started lacking depth at linebacker.

Also, he's stuck on the Bengals :(

Ravens1991
04-01-2011, 06:42 PM
We are trying to make Kruger a 34 DE. Everyone wrote him off as a bust. Im not until he actually gets at a 34 DE playing weight.


Sergio Kindle fell down a flight of steps and broke his skull. We still dont know iif he will play football again.

J-Mike88
04-01-2011, 08:47 PM
Clint Sintim anyone?
Connor Barwin?
Did Jason Worilds ever get any playing time this year in Sixburgh?
I don't think Harrison or Woodley went down at all?
I thought those guys could work.....

defensiveback23
04-02-2011, 12:37 AM
English showed potential his first year but was a step behind making more plays. He struggled with a major injury this year and only played about half the snaps as the previous year. Many of the times he did play he was limited by the injury. He showed a lot more improvement despite this, and towards the end of the year he had a few productive games and hopefully showed a glimpse of future success. I still think he has a good chance of living up to his billing and the team remains high on him as well. He is far from the bust that some are making him out to be. Dude just has to stay healthy and he will be a stud.

bam bam
04-02-2011, 04:49 AM
Clint Sintim anyone?
Connor Barwin?
Did Jason Worilds ever get any playing time this year in losttogreenbayinthesuperbowlLOLburgh?
I don't think Harrison or Woodley went down at all?
I thought those guys could work.....

the nickname confused me at first, i had to change it to know who you were talking about

Grizzlegom
04-02-2011, 06:44 AM
Koa Misi started all 16 games for the Dolphins but he never generated much pass rush. He is already a BEAST against the run though we brought in Bryan Cox as a pass rushing specialist to teach him how to get after the passer better.

Jakey
04-02-2011, 07:08 AM
Jason Worilds is studying behind James Harrison and excelling on special teams. He played only a few snaps on defense, and got a few sacks. Looks like a future starter.

Thaddeus Gibson got released due to numbers. I really liked the kid, but apparently he wasnt learning the defense which is a big no no in Pittsburgh. Hes currently with the 49ers and apparently they love him.

Dunta_23
04-02-2011, 08:02 AM
Clint Sintim anyone?
Connor Barwin?
Did Jason Worilds ever get any playing time this year in Sixburgh?
I don't think Harrison or Woodley went down at all?
I thought those guys could work.....

Connor Barwin was drafted by a 4-3 team and had success his rookie year. Last season in week one he broke his leg/dislocated an ankle and has been rehabing since. Big things are expected out of him as a 3-4 OLB and Wade Phillips has spoken highly of him, but until he does it the jury is still out...

J-Mike88
04-02-2011, 09:01 AM
Damn, injuries injuries injuries.... English, Barwin, half the Packers LBers..... this game is brutal, even for the attackers.

I thought Barwin had the skills for a 3-4 OLB. So the Texans are now going to a 3-4? I'll keep my eye on him, whenever I get to see the Texans. They sure need to improve that defense that's for sure.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-02-2011, 09:52 AM
It's far too early to start making assesments on most of these players.

scottyboy
04-02-2011, 10:05 AM
Sintim has been stuck trying to make the transition to a 4-3 OLB and seems out of place with the Giants right now. High hopes for him, but he's really struggling adjusting to the 4-3 and I can't really blame him, it just doesnt fit his skill set.

bigbluedefense
04-02-2011, 10:29 AM
Sintim has been stuck trying to make the transition to a 4-3 OLB and seems out of place with the Giants right now. High hopes for him, but he's really struggling adjusting to the 4-3 and I can't really blame him, it just doesnt fit his skill set.

That, and in Fewell's defense, he has no fit at LB at all. In Spag's system he was a JOKER at SAM, so it could still work, but being a weakside backer in Fewell's system just doesn't work for him.

Plus he lost weight to get lighter and quicker for the system, but that sapped all his strength away so he was just a mediocre player.

He needs to muscle up again and become a full time DE. Or go to a 3-4 team.

FUNBUNCHER
04-03-2011, 04:19 AM
Barwin is gonna be a player when he gets healthy. I think OLB is his best position and his size and speed are elite, including his motor.

I wanted this guy bad for the Skins too, but it didn't work out.

J-Mike88
04-03-2011, 07:49 AM
It's far too early to start making assesments on most of these players.
Isn't it too early to make final judgments on these players, but just fine to assess how/what they've done, progressed so far? Matthews & Orakpo were in the 09 class.... we certainly can assess their skills already.

21ST
04-03-2011, 08:18 AM
No orakpo? or does he not count because he wasn't drafted to be a 3-4 rusher

phlysac
04-03-2011, 08:38 AM
Thaddeus Gibson got released due to numbers. I really liked the kid, but apparently he wasnt learning the defense which is a big no no in Pittsburgh. Hes currently with the 49ers and apparently they love him.

Wasn't Gibson tearing it up early on until he got hurt? I seem to remember hearing that he was the most impressive rookie early in camp and prior to his injury. Then by the time he was healthy he was well behind Worilds and they were forced to waive him (hoped he'd clear but didn't) when they lost both Aaron Smith and Brett Keisel at DE and had to sign Steve McLendon.

bored of education
04-03-2011, 09:27 AM
Not every player comes in and takes the storm by league. Player development is key. 5 years from now lets revisit this.

coordinator0
04-03-2011, 10:16 AM
We are trying to make Kruger a 34 DE. Everyone wrote him off as a bust. Im not until he actually gets at a 34 DE playing weight.


Sergio Kindle fell down a flight of steps and broke his skull. We still dont know iif he will play football again.

Yeah Kruger only played OLB in his first season because he didn't have the weight to play on the line. I'm not overly optimistic about him becoming a starter, but he shouldn't be counted as a 3-4 pass rush specialist at all.

Kindle... sigh.

SuperPacker
04-03-2011, 03:07 PM
All these players and a lot of them were projected ahead of Clay Matthews. Its amazing how a NFL scout cant spot that Maybin or English will be busts and Matthews will be the best 3-4 OLB in the league.

Im not saying that i could of done a better job or that the pro game is differetn but still.

?????

Ravens1991
04-03-2011, 03:34 PM
Yeah Kruger only played OLB in his first season because he didn't have the weight to play on the line. I'm not overly optimistic about him becoming a starter, but he shouldn't be counted as a 3-4 pass rush specialist at all.

Kindle... sigh.

Unless Kruger becomes Aaron Smith the pick will always sting because we took him while Mike Wallace was on the board. and WR was a bigger need at that point then a olb/de/ whatever were gonna try him out at.

coordinator0
04-03-2011, 04:08 PM
Unless Kruger becomes Aaron Smith the pick will always sting because we took him while Mike Wallace was on the board. and WR was a bigger need at that point then a olb/de/ whatever were gonna try him out at.

At that point Wallace wasn't slated to go in the 2nd round, so I'm not really upset about that. We did need another pass-rusher at that pont though, we still had Suggs and Johnson as the starters and it was the draft before Johnson had his big sack season.

Ravens1991
04-03-2011, 05:29 PM
yea the thing that impressed me the most w/ Kruger was his coverage in his rookie year when I watched him at pre season. We all know he has a good motor so I was kind of shockd we decided to make him a 34 DE. The thing is he only weighed 275 this season, he needs to gain 15 more pounds to play 34 DE effectively

coordinator0
04-03-2011, 05:50 PM
The 3-4 DE position he plays is similar to a 4-3 LE, so I'm not sure he needs to add a whole lot of weight. Obviously he will take on double teams from time to time because we won't use the same front, but from what I've seen holding up against the run/taking on blockers isn't his problem. It's his inability to get around a blocker when rushing the passer, either he doesn't have very refined moves or he's just not explosive enough to do so.

J-Mike88
04-03-2011, 08:54 PM
Not every player comes in and takes the storm by league. Player development is key. 5 years from now lets revisit this.
Right, not everyone comes out of the gates like the Bloodline.

Sure you can come back and join us in 3-4 years and add your opinions and evaluations of these players from the 09 & 10 Draft Class.
In the meantime, some of us will discuss them here & now.....
All these players and a lot of them were projected ahead of Clay Matthews. Its amazing how a NFL scout cant spot that Maybin or English will be busts and Matthews will be the best 3-4 OLB in the league.

Im not saying that i could of done a better job or that the pro game is differetn but still.?????
Good points... it is amazing. I remember being sold on Maybin and English and felt jealous we wouldn't get either, and I wasn't thrilled when GM Thompson traded the farm to get another 1st and take Matthews. Who knew?

defensiveback23
04-03-2011, 09:26 PM
Definitely not trying to take anything away from the greatness incarnate by the name of Matthews, but it is way too early to be making conclusions about English. If healthy, I believe he is a prime candidate for a breakthrough season and could become a force next to the perennially underrated Phillips.

Jakey
04-04-2011, 09:56 AM
Wasn't Gibson tearing it up early on until he got hurt? I seem to remember hearing that he was the most impressive rookie early in camp and prior to his injury. Then by the time he was healthy he was well behind Worilds and they were forced to waive him (hoped he'd clear but didn't) when they lost both Aaron Smith and Brett Keisel at DE and had to sign Steve McLendon.


Pretty much this...he didnt get hurt though, he was a monster in camp, but he didnt make an impact in the preseason, and also didnt learn the defense. We hopped to land him on the practice squad to try and teach him up abit, but he got snatched by the 9ers. If he can translate his natural talents to the field, it could be a very shrewd move by the 9ers.

K Train
04-04-2011, 10:12 AM
i ad maybin mocked to the browns at the top of round 2...definitely not higher than matthews, or larry english for that matter...wouldnt have touched him in the first.

i am not high on worilds and i loved gibson....sigh

SenorGato
04-04-2011, 10:26 AM
All these players and a lot of them were projected ahead of Clay Matthews. Its amazing how a NFL scout cant spot that Maybin or English will be busts and Matthews will be the best 3-4 OLB in the league.

Im not saying that i could of done a better job or that the pro game is differetn but still.

?????

He's not the best 3-4 OLB. The guy who was even less hyped in his draft and is less hyped now, DeMarcus Ware, is the best 3-4 OLB. Has been for a while now.

I hold out hope for Sintim and Barwin as players too...both have potential and the 3-4 OLB isn't an easy one.

phlysac
04-05-2011, 02:44 PM
Pretty much this...he didnt get hurt though, he was a monster in camp, but he didnt make an impact in the preseason, and also didnt learn the defense. We hopped to land him on the practice squad to try and teach him up abit, but he got snatched by the 9ers. If he can translate his natural talents to the field, it could be a very shrewd move by the 9ers.

That's right, he missed all of the Spring camps because of OSU's graduation and was behind.

I give them (the Steelers) credit for giving Aaron Smith respect and leaving him on the roster in hopes he could return for the post-season/Super Bowl, but their gamble didn't pan out how they'd hoped I'm sure.

FUNBUNCHER
04-11-2011, 05:52 PM
Maybin is ONLY an OLB. Buffalo putting him at end was the mistake.
If he'd been allowed to play standing up from the first snap of his rookie season, I think his impact would have been more apparent.

Saints-Tigers
04-11-2011, 10:56 PM
Still not feeling Aaron Maybin as high as he went. Classic case where we saw his speed at one weight, and his size at another weight, and people were assuming those two would both stick.

Fred Savage
04-13-2011, 09:08 AM
Might as well add Von Miller to the discussion.

phlysac
04-14-2011, 12:54 PM
Might as well add Von Miller to the discussion.

This thread is about the 2009 and 2010 drafts. Miller shouldn't be included.

J-Mike88
04-17-2011, 06:48 PM
Maybin is ONLY an OLB. Buffalo putting him at end was the mistake.
If he'd been allowed to play standing up from the first snap of his rookie season, I think his impact would have been more apparent.
Is it too late? How long did it take James Harrison to blossom?
Can Maybin still do it if allowed to be a straight stand up 3-4 OLB?

I'd trade a pick to Buffalo for him, although he really seems like his body size is naturally just a bit bigger than a safety.

FUNBUNCHER
04-17-2011, 10:31 PM
Is it too late? How long did it take James Harrison to blossom?
Can Maybin still do it if allowed to be a straight stand up 3-4 OLB?

I'd trade a pick to Buffalo for him, although he really seems like his body size is naturally just a bit bigger than a safety.


I think Maybin's 'normal' weight is @220#. He put on roughly 20-25# before the draft but didn't add strength and didn't train to perform at that weight.

Hopefully he has the commitment to get better, eventually he should grow into that 245#, he's just not strong enough.

Way too early to give up on him, even though he barfed his 40 at the combine, (4.88 secs). Still jumped almost 11 feet in the BJ and had a 40 inch vert.

Guys who are high profile like Maybin is who struggle early in their careers, I worry about them maintaining their confidence.