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FordFairlane
04-14-2011, 11:15 AM
1. Carolina (2-14) Cam Newton QB Auburn

2. Denver (4-12) Marcell Dareus DT Alabama

3. Buffalo (4-12) Von Miller OLB/DE Texas A&M

4. Cincinnati (4-12) AJ Green WR Georgia

5. Arizona (5-11) Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri

6. Cleveland (5-11) Nick Fairly DT Auburn

7. San Francisco (6-10) Patrick Peterson CB LSU

8. Tennessee (6-10) Robert Quinn DE North Carolina

9. Dallas (6-10) Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska

10.Washington (6-10) Julio Jones WR Alabama

11.Houston (6-10) JJ Watt DE Wisconsin

12.Minnesota (6-10) Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas

13.Detroit (6-10) Tyron Smith OT USC

14.St. Louis (7-9) Aldon Smith DE Missouri

15.Miami (7-9) Cameron Jordan DE Cal

16.Jacksonville (8-8) Da'Quan Bower DE Clemson

17.New England - from Oakland (8-8) Ryan Kerrigan OLB Purdue

18.San Diego (9-7) Mike Pouncey OG Florida

19.New York Giants (10-6) Anthony Castonzo OT BC

20.Tampa Bay (10-6) Jimmy Smith CB Colorad

21.Kansas City* (10-6) Phil Taylor NT Baylor

22.Indianapolis* (10-6) Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin

23.Philadelphia* (10-6) Brandon Harris CB Miami o

24.New Orleans* (11-5) Justin Houston DE Georgia

25.Seattle* (7-9) Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa

26.Baltimore* (12-4) Torrey Smith WR Maryland

27.Atlanta* (13-3) John Baldwin WR Pittsburgh

28.New England* (14-2) Corey Liuget DT Illinois

29.Chicago* (11-5) Derek Sherrod OT Mississippi St

30.New York Jets* (11-5) Muhammad Wilkerson DE Temple

31.Pittsburgh* (12-4) Benjamin Ijalana OT Villanova

32.Green Bay* (10-6) Cameron Heyward DE Ohio St


Round 2

33. New England - from Carolina (2-14) Aaron Williams DB Texas

Buffalo (4-12) Jake Locker QB Washington

Cincinnati (4-12) Christian Ponder QB FSU

Denver (4-12) Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame

Cleveland (5-11) Martez Wilson ILB Illinois

Arizona (5-11) Leonard Hankerson WR Miami

Tennessee (6-10) Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada

Dallas (6-10) Nate Soldier OT Colorado

Washington (6-10) Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois

Houston (6-10) Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia

Minnesota (6-10) Marvin Austin DT UNC

Detroit (6-10) Randall Cobb WR Kentucky

San Francisco (6-10) Andy Dalton QB TCU

Denver - from Miami (7-9) Mark Ingram RB Alabama

St. Louis (7-9) Stephen Paea DT Oregon St

Oakland (8-8) Rashad Carmichael CB VT

Jacksonville (8-8) Rahim Moore FS UCLA

San Diego (9-7) Sam Acho OLB Texas

Tampa Bay (10-6) Titus Young WR Boise St.

New York Giants (10-6) Bruce Carter OLB UNC

Indianapolis* (10-6) Ryan Williams RB VT

Philadelphia* (10-6) Marcus Cannon OG TCU

Kansas City* (10-6) Jerrel Jernigan WR Troy

New Orleans* (11-5) Drake Nevis DT LSU

Seattle* (7-9) Quinton Carter S Oklahoma

Baltimore* (12-4) Dontay Moch OLB Nevada

Atlanta* (13-3) Jabaal Sheard DE Pittaburgh

New England* (14-2) Danny Watkins OG Baylor

San Diego - from New York Jets* (11-5) Edmund Gates WR Abiline Christian

Chicago* (11-5) Kendall Hunter RB Oklahoma St

Pittsburgh* (12-4) Curtis Brown CB Texas

Green Bay* (10-6) Luke Stocker TE Tennessee

Round 3

Carolina (2-14) Jarvis Jenkins DT Clemson

Cincinnati (4-12) Terrell McCain DT South Florida

Denver (4-12) Pernell McPhee DE Miss St

Buffalo (4-12) James Carpenter OT Alabama

Arizona (5-11) Chris Carter OLB Fresno St.

Cleveland (5-11) Mason Foster OLB Washington

Dallas (6-10) Tyler Sash S Iowa

New Orleans - from Washington (6-10) Robert Sands S WVU

Houston (6-10) Kenrick Ellis NT Hampton

New England - from Minnesota (6-10) Joseph Barksdale OT LSU

Detroit (6-10) Davon House CB New Mexico St

San Francisco (6-10) Allen Bailey DL Miami

Tennessee (6-10) Jerrell Powe DT Ole Miss

St. Louis (7-9) Tandon Doss WR Indiana

Miami (7-9) DeAndre McDaniel S Clemson

Jacksonville (8-8) K.J. Wright OLB Miss St

Oakland (8-8) Ugo Chinasa DE Oklahoma St

San Diego (9-7) Casey Mathews ILB Oregon St

New York Giants (10-6) Jordan Todman RB UConn

Tampa Bay (10-6) Jurrell Casey DT USC

Philadelphia* (10-6) Cliff Matthews DE South Carolina

Kansas City* (10-6) Stefen Wisniewski OC Penn St

Indianapolis* (10-6) CLint Boling OG Georgia

New Orleans* (11-5) Orlando Franklin OL Miami

San Diego - from Seattle* (7-9) James Brewer OT Indiana

Baltimore* (12-4) Johnny Patrick CB Louisville

Atlanta* (13-3) Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin

New England* (14-2) Lawrence Guy DE USC

Chicago* (11-5) Greg Little WR UNC

New York Jets* (11-5) Bruce Miller OLB Central Florida

Pittsburgh* (12-4) Sione Fua DT Stanford

Green Bay* (10-6) Shane Vereen RB Cal

Carolina (compensatory) Pierre Allen DE Nebraska


Round 4

Carolina (2-14) Aldrick Robinson WR SMU

Seattle - from New England via Denver (4-12) Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa

Buffalo (4-12) Pep Livingston DE/DT LSU

Cincinnati (4-12) Brandon Burton CB Utah

Cleveland (5-11) Stephen Burton WR West Texas A&M

Arizona (5-11) Jake Kirkpatrick OC TCU

Philadelphia - from Washington (6-10) Martin Parker DT Richmond

Houston (6-10) Vincent Brown WR San Diego St.

Minnesota (6-10) Marcus Gilchrist CB ClemsoN

Detroit (6-10) Daniel Thomas RB Kansas St.

San Francisco (6-10) Sealver Siliga DT Utah

Tennessee (6-10) Austin Pettis WR Boise St.

Dallas (6-10) Alex Henery PK Nebraska

Miami (7-9) Delone Carter RB Syracuse

St. Louis (7-9) Roy Helu RB Nebraska

Oakland (8-8) Jah Reid OT Central Florida

Jacksonville (8-8) TJ Yates QB UNC

San Francisco - from San Diego (9-7) Jacquizz Rodgers RB Oregon St

Tampa Bay (10-6) Julius Thomas TE Portland St

New York Giants (10-6) Noel Devine RB UWV

Kansas City* (10-6) Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio St.

Indianapolis* (10-6) Jalil Brown CB Colorado

Philadelphia* (10-6) Kelvin Sheppard ILV LSU

Jacksonville - from New Orleans* (11-5) Niles Paul WR Nebraska

Buffalo - from Seattle* (7-9) Demarco Sampson WR San Diego St

Baltimore* (12-4) Orlando Franklin OL Florida

Atlanta* (13-3) Marcus Gilbert OT Florida

New England* (14-2) Denarius Moore WR Tennessee

New York Jets* (11-5) Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh

Chicago* (11-5) Greg Jones ILB Michigan St.

Pittsburgh* (12-4) Cedric Thornton DE/DT Southern Arkansas

Green Bay* (10-6) Demarcus Love OL Arkansas

Tennessee (compensatory) Shareece Wright CB USC

Green Bay (compensatory) Buster Skrine CB UT-Chattanooga

AntoinCD
04-14-2011, 11:27 AM
17.New England - from Oakland (8-8) Ryan Kerrigan OLB Purdue

28.New England* (14-2) Corey Liuget DT Illinois

33. New England - from Carolina (2-14) Aaron Williams DB Texas

New England* (14-2) Danny Watkins OG Baylor

New England - from Minnesota (6-10) Joseph Barksdale OT LSU

New England* (14-2) Lawrence Guy DE USC

New England* (14-2) Denarius Moore WR Tennessee


Kerrigan is a nice pick but Liuget is a horrible fit. He is a penetrating 3 technique and the Pats need a gap control DE. Someone like Heyward or Wilkerson would be much better.

The second round is actually very good for the Pats.

In the third it seems way too high for Barksdale and im not a fan of Guy that high either. I would prefer Orlando Franklin/Stefan Wisniewksi and Greg Little or Demarco Murray in the third.

In the fourth I would definitely consider Jalil Brown considering his upside although a developmental QB like Greg McElroy would also be a possibility there

Pitt
04-14-2011, 11:38 AM
You have Johnny Patrick getting drafted twice.

49erNation85
04-14-2011, 11:46 AM
Solid sf picks all around!

jCut
04-14-2011, 12:06 PM
Denver will not pass over potential starters on defense for backups on offense. Very uninspired job with Denver's mock.

akvikefan89
04-14-2011, 12:10 PM
Mallett and Marvin Austin... not sure I see the Vikings taking 2 of the biggest character concerns in the draft...

vidae
04-14-2011, 12:17 PM
Great first three picks for KC.. the fourth is meh as CB is the furthest thing from a need we have. If we got Wis in the 3rd though I'd be too happy to care. Good job.

FordFairlane
04-14-2011, 12:17 PM
Denver will not pass over potential starters on defense for backups on offense. Very uninspired job with Denver's mock.

Rudolph and Ingram would be day one starters. The Broncos has 127 TOTAL receiving yards from the TE position. Rudolph is the best TE in this draft and a first round talent.

No-shon had ONE 100 yard game last year. Ingram is a one cut north south runner who would easily beat out anyone on the roster. And again is arguably the best RB in this draft and a first round talent.

FordFairlane
04-14-2011, 12:20 PM
Mallett and Marvin Austin... not sure I see the Vikings taking 2 of the biggest character concerns in the draft...

Yes, because the Vikings are known for only taking high character players...

MidwestJimmy
04-14-2011, 12:20 PM
You also have Orlando Franklin going twice. Also, Lawrence Guy went to ASU, not USC.

It's interesting that you have Ben Ijalana as a surprise Round 1 pick (PTS). In my last mock I did the same thing (to CHC at #29).

Allen Bailey has gotten down to around 275, but may still be a little heavy for a 3-4D like SF. He will probably stay a DE in a 4-3.

Where is Akeem Ayers?

K Train
04-14-2011, 12:22 PM
not crazy about ijalana in 1 but id be jacked up over that draft as a whole for the steelers....good job

Scotty D
04-14-2011, 12:35 PM
No way the Lions can afford to take three offensive players in the first four rounds. They need to take a LB in the second or third round.

CheeseKnuckles
04-14-2011, 12:41 PM
1.Heyward
2.Stocker
3.Vereen
4.Love + Skrine

Not going to lie I actually really like this draft! The only this I would change is Greg Salas in the place of Love. I am not a fan of his at all and I think the Packers will be addressing WR at some point earlier in the draft.

Also like the Stocker pick, though some Packer fans might not. We had 4 TEs on the roster last year in Finley, Quarless, Crabtree and Lee. They cut Lee already this offseason and Stocker would bolster an already strong group.

So

1. Heyward
2. Stocker
3. Vereen
4. Salas and Skrine would be awesome IMO.

Nice Job!

wicket
04-14-2011, 12:45 PM
Dont hate the saints picks (outside of sands) but I really have issues with no linebackers and I dont like Houston in the 4-3

Id go:
1 Heyward/Clayborne
2 Mason Foster
3a Kenrick Ellis
3b Greg Jones

Pat Sims 90
04-14-2011, 01:16 PM
Bengals draft is fine but i don't see Mike Brown passing on 1 of the top QBs.

thebow305
04-14-2011, 01:34 PM
Carter is the only pick that makes sense for the Phins. We don't need another S or 5 Technique, both positions we have littered with young players right now already and are pretty deep.

Locker and Kendricks instead please!

StrikeAnywhere
04-14-2011, 02:22 PM
Rudolph and Ingram would be day one starters. The Broncos has 127 TOTAL receiving yards from the TE position. Rudolph is the best TE in this draft and a first round talent.

Not that the true numbers would be enough to change your mind, but I feel compelled to point out that Graham got 148 yards himself, so your stats aren't accurate. And the low total, if you had been listening to any of us over the last few months, is due more to scheme than lack of options. We aren't looking for an elite catching option because his main job is going to be to block.

I don't understand why this concept is so difficult for everyone to grasp? Rudolph is an elite talent, no one is disagreeing with that. But if your offense just wouldn't make use of him, then how exactly does taking him help your team?


No-shon had ONE 100 yard game last year. Ingram is a one cut north south runner who would easily beat out anyone on the roster. And again is arguably the best RB in this draft and a first round talent.

Ingram has knee problems (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/13/report-mark-ingram-off-two-teams-boards-due-to-bad-knee/), which in the leagues shortest lived position makes him a huge risk. And if you are a team that has as many holes on defense as the Broncos do, how would it make any sense to invest a high pick in a risk like that when there are so much more valuable options available?

Honestly, some of these mocks make my head hurt. Denver literally does not have enough players on their roster to fill a 4 man front for a 4-3 defense (they have 1 DT on the roster, and he's a backup), and yet we are burning 2 of our top 3 picks in a defensively stacked draft on offensive players at positions we can get by without help at? Make no mistake, we aren't saying we are set at TE and RB. What we are saying is that to pass over the elite talent available at our areas of dire need to fill these positions in would be incredibly shortsighted and not in the best interest of our team.

Denver is not 1 draft class from the playoffs. We don't care if our offense is exactly the same as last year. What we do care about is investing heavily in fixing one of the worst defenses the NFL has seen in the last 20 years.

GatorsBullsFan
04-14-2011, 02:38 PM
I like the Jags pick...TJ Yates, haven't heard him on a mock draft but it seems like one of those Gene Smith type picks

FordFairlane
04-14-2011, 02:46 PM
Not that the true numbers would be enough to change your mind, but I feel compelled to point out that Graham got 148 yards himself, so your stats aren't accurate. And the low total, if you had been listening to any of us over the last few months, is due more to scheme than lack of options. We aren't looking for an elite catching option because his main job is going to be to block.

You are correct. I accidently hit the 2 instead of the 5 when I tried to type in 157 yards. So that extra 30 yards receiving make the difference of needing a TE or not!

The reason why your TE's aren't an option is because you have Deniel Graham as your number 1 TE. The Steelers primarily use their TE's for blocking but that doesn't stop Heath Miller from 500+ yards receiving every year.

I don't understand why this concept is so difficult for everyone to grasp? Rudolph is an elite talent, no one is disagreeing with that. But if your offense just wouldn't make use of him, then how exactly does taking him help your team?

How do you know they wouldn't use him? If they had a TE worth a darn and didn't use them then I would agree. But you have Daniel Graham and have no idea how a good TE could and would be used.


Ingram has knee problems (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/13/report-mark-ingram-off-two-teams-boards-due-to-bad-knee/), which in the leagues shortest lived position makes him a huge risk. And if you are a team that has as many holes on defense as the Broncos do, how would it make any sense to invest a high pick in a risk like that when there are so much more valuable options available?

Honestly, some of these mocks make my head hurt. Denver literally does not have enough players on their roster to fill a 4 man front for a 4-3 defense (they have 1 DT on the roster, and he's a backup), and yet we are burning 2 of our top 3 picks in a defensively stacked draft on offensive players at positions we can get by without help at? Make no mistake, we aren't saying we are set at TE and RB. What we are saying is that to pass over the elite talent available at our areas of dire need to fill these positions in would be incredibly shortsighted and not in the best interest of our team.

You have no idea how Ingrams knee is and if any teams have taken him off their board. I have Ingram falling to round two and at that point I know a team like Denver will have interest.

Denver is not 1 draft class from the playoffs. We don't care if our offense is exactly the same as last year. What we do care about is investing heavily in fixing one of the worst defenses the NFL has seen in the last 20 years.

You weren't even ranked last in defense so how can you be one of the worst defenses in the last 20 years!

T-RICH49
04-14-2011, 03:02 PM
would go Kelvin Sheppard in rd 4 over a CB for KC.rest is good

Grizzlegom
04-14-2011, 03:09 PM
that might be the worst Phins draft I've seen on here...DE is one of only a handful of positions that we absolutely don't need. S is one of the others. Carter doesn't fit what this regime is looking for.

Heisman
04-14-2011, 03:20 PM
Yes, because the Vikings are known for only taking high character players...

This is true, but they Vikings are more particular about how they do it. Only gambling on certain, pre-targeted players they have really done their homework on (ex. Harvin and Moss).

However, Frazier looks like a lot more of a no non-sense coach, so character concerns will be more intolerable than in years past.

At the very least, he has already stated he doesn't want character concerns at the QB position, go Locker over Mallett.

Menardo75
04-14-2011, 05:39 PM
I like the niner mock but they need to come away with a pass rusher at some point in those first couple rounds.

Abaddon
04-14-2011, 06:01 PM
Hated it...

drd23
04-14-2011, 07:10 PM
Substitute Wilkerson for Torrey Smith and Little for Patrick for the Ravens and I wont hate it (but I wont love it either)

StrikeAnywhere
04-14-2011, 11:22 PM
You are correct. I accidently hit the 2 instead of the 5 when I tried to type in 157 yards. So that extra 30 yards receiving make the difference of needing a TE or not!

The reason why your TE's aren't an option is because you have Deniel Graham as your number 1 TE. The Steelers primarily use their TE's for blocking but that doesn't stop Heath Miller from 500+ yards receiving every year.

How do you know they wouldn't use him? If they had a TE worth a darn and didn't use them then I would agree. But you have Daniel Graham and have no idea how a good TE could and would be used.

I honestly don't mean to be disrespectful, and I'm not flaming you. You have to understand how frustrating this is from a diehard fan's perspective though, someone else telling you what your team would and wouldn't do and what they do and don't have.

We know all about elite tight ends in Denver. We practically invented the position of pass catching tight end with a guy who just got inducted into the HoF not too long ago. We had a great pass catching tight end in Shefler last year and he was sent away. But regardless, we have had a coaching change since then and the new staff seems to value tight end production even less. If you can find me an example of Fox going for a TE in the draft and leaving defensive talent on the table then I could at least see where you are coming from. From where I stand though, the pick looks like utter insanity.



You have no idea how Ingrams knee is and if any teams have taken him off their board. I have Ingram falling to round two and at that point I know a team like Denver will have interest.
True, all I know is what I read, and what I read isn't good. You don't know any more than that either. Regardless of that fact though, using 2 of our top 3 picks on offensive players would be incredibly dumb of us because:

You weren't even ranked last in defense so how can you be one of the worst defenses in the last 20 years!

Yes we were. Go to nfl.com and check out the stats. We were last in yards allowed and points allowed (29.4/game) for the year.We allowed 4.7 yards per rush, second to last only behind Buffalo, and 7.8 yards per pass 3rd to last behind Houston and Jacksonville. We recorded the least amount of sacks (23), and the least number of turnovers (10 ints and 8 fumbles). I don't know how else you want to judge a defense, but our stats say we were beyond terrible. Our offense, by comparison, scored 21.5 points a game which isn't all roses, but they weren't exactly losing the game for us. Statistically, the only team that could have overcome our bad defense last year was the Pats, who scored over 30 points a game.

And to support my statement - yes worst in 20 years was a bit of an exaggeration, but not much - I went back and checked the last 20 years: Only 3 teams allowed more points than we did last year: the 0-16 Lions, the 2-14 Lions and a 6-10 Colts team. That is bad company of epic proportions.

Now, following the season we switched to a 4-3 from the 3-4 and jettisoned our old line and allowed our free agents to walk. We currently have Dumervil manning one side, and Ayers on the other. Doom is fine, but no one knows what Ayers will do. On the inside we have Vickerson, and that's basically it. So we have 3 guys to man a 4 man front, and no real viable backups.

Now tell me honestly. If this was your team that we were talking about right now, and I was trying to convince you that a TE and a RB was the best use of your picks in a defensively stacked draft class, what would you tell me?

jCut
04-15-2011, 12:17 AM
If this was your team that we were talking about right now, and I was trying to convince you that a TE and a RB was the best use of your picks in a defensively stacked draft class, what would you tell me?

Not just any TE and RB. An injury-prone TE and RB.