Al Wilson(DEN) to Giants?

[DWhitner20]

www.rotoworld.com wire:

Al Wilson-LB- Broncos Mar. 22 - 7:20 pm et

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Giants and Broncos are in trade talks involving middle linebacker Al Wilson.
The Eagles, Lions, and Redskins (before they signed London Fletcher) have also reportedly been involved in talks regarding Wilson. We suspect Wilson would stay in the middle and New York would move Antonio Pierce over to weak-side linebacker if the sides can strike a deal.

[MP123]

www.rotoworld.com wire:

What would the Giants have to give up? Wilson's gonna be 30, so he's got very few good years left.

[Draft King]

Yep, saw this on NFL Network, it's not that the Broncos don't want him, according to Schefter on the show they just can't afford him, and if they get a reasonable draft pick this can work out for both sides. Must suck for the Broncos to lose their leader and pro bowler on defense though. (Although they still have Lynch and Bailey)

[3projectPAT6]

furious... absolutely furious... YOU. DONT. TRADE. AL. WILSON. EVER!!!!!!

he is the heart of our Defence and has another 4 great years left. if this goes through i may never forgive shannahan. this is disgusting.

[Big Mike]

would def. complete the NYG LB CORPS.

Pierce + Arrington + Wilson = Force to be reckoned with

[21ST]

would def. complete the NYG LB CORPS.

Pierce + Arrington + Wilson = Force to be reckoned with


They cut lavar buddy

[Draft King]

They cut lavar buddy

I like that shutdown, you got yourself some rep sir.

[Big Mike]

They cut lavar buddy

O DAMN, well i like the Philly Eagles so thats good anyways.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

furious... absolutely furious... YOU. DONT. TRADE. AL. WILSON. EVER!!!!!!

he is the heart of our Defence and has another 4 great years left. if this goes through i may never forgive shannahan. this is disgusting.

QFT. He is the heart and soul of the defense. Him and Lynch are the vocal leaders, but Lynch won't be around much longer, we need to keep Wilson. If we trade Wilson, the Giants may instantly become my second favourite team. I'm already an "Eli fangirl" cuz I think he needs some time.

[Draft King]

QFT. He is the heart and soul of the defense. Him and Lynch are the vocal leaders, but Lynch won't be around much longer, we need to keep Wilson. If we trade Wilson, the Giants may instantly become my second favourite team. I'm already an "Eli fangirl" cuz I think he needs some time.

Adam said something about his 5.2 (might be off by a bit) contract being too much, and that he is a cap casualty to the team. It's not that they don't want him, they can't afford him from what I hear. Still a big mistake if you ask me.

[Diehard]

furious... absolutely furious... YOU. DONT. TRADE. AL. WILSON. EVER!!!!!!

he is the heart of our Defence and has another 4 great years left. if this goes through i may never forgive shannahan. this is disgusting.

While I don't like the idea of losing our defensive leader, it would give DJ Williams the chance to escape the wasteland of the strong side, a position that is not entirely suited to his talents. Shanny thought highly enough of him to move up in the draft, so perhaps it's time for him to step up.

Anyway, I think it could work out well for both teams, depending on what the Giants are willing/able to offer.

[skinzzfan25]

I don't know how well Pierce would be at OLB. He is already proven at MLB, why not build around him.

And LOL @ the guy who thought LaVar will be playing football, let alone starting somewhere, next year

[DWhitner20]

They cut lavar buddy

LOLwned, 21ST For the win.

[hugegmenfan]

i would b strongly against that- Wilson is a great player but the fact is hes about 30 years old and we need to get younger on defense. Pierce is a proven guy and we should build up a strong LB corp around him not move the best part of it

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

While I don't like the idea of losing our defensive leader, it would give DJ Williams the chance to escape the wasteland of the strong side, a position that is not entirely suited to his talents. Shanny thought highly enough of him to move up in the draft, so perhaps it's time for him to step up.

Anyway, I think it could work out well for both teams, depending on what the Giants are willing/able to offer.

I think the move that will get DJ out of SAM is getting rid of Gold. I think Williams is a better Will then ILB, no?

[Eaglez.Fan]

I hope he comes to Philly but Peirce IMO can't play on the outside. He won't be able to cover an athletic TE.

[Number 10]

I have some info for you guys-

The Broncos are interested in DE Justin Tuck in this deal, maybe a late round draft pick in addition. This would be more of a salary cap move than a football move. Corey Webster's name is also being thrown around along with William Joseph.

Wilson would likely br brought in to play SLB as he is better suited to make the change to the outside than Pierce is.

[3projectPAT6]

shanhan wtf is wrong with you? are u ****ing serious?? what are you thinking bringing in Dre bly, daniel graham and spending all of this ****ing money you dont have. and now that we are here "oops! wait we need more cap room lets trade the heart and soul of our defence for a bunch luxury players"


we have sheftler, we dont NEED graham. we have foxworth and the draft we dont NEED dre bly.

WE ****ING NEED AL WILSON!! WE DONT EVEN HAVE A SUITABLE BACK UP!!!

i will personally lead the charge for shanahans head, if al wilson goes then shanahan and sunquist need to go.

[Scotty D]

Go get him Millen.

[Draft King]

Go get him Millen.

I found this strangely funny.

[bearsfan_51]

shanhan wtf is wrong with you? are u ****ing serious?? what are you thinking bringing in Dre bly, daniel graham and spending all of this ****ing money you dont have. and now that we are here "oops! wait we need more cap room lets trade the heart and soul of our defence for a bunch luxury players"


we have sheftler, we dont NEED graham. we have foxworth and the draft we dont NEED dre bly.

WE ****ING NEED AL WILSON!! WE DONT EVEN HAVE A SUITABLE BACK UP!!!

i will personally lead the charge for shanahans head, if al wilson goes then shanahan and sunquist need to go.

Shannahan is the Broncos. Before him they were just lovable losers.

[eaglesalltheway]

I found this strangely funny.

So did I. I think it has to do with the picture of him below.

[3projectPAT6]

i am aware of this, ive been a broncos fan since the day i was born. But as the saying goes "what have you done for me lately?"

Ive been a shanahans support all the way up to this point as well. but the trading of al wilson for merely cap relief is unforgivable. esspecially given how careless he has been this offseason spending money he obviously didnt have. We havnt picked up a single need this offseason. only wants. Shanahan isnt the the broncos. Al Wilson is the broncos.

[Number 10]

i don't see this happening so I wouldn't get too worked up.

[jetsfan3]

i don't see this happening so I wouldn't get too worked up.

I agree. The Broncos can't really trade Al Wilson at this point. He's the stud MLB and leader of a defense that every team looks for, so it would be stupid for them to trade him.

[etk]

I don't understand why the Broncos want to trade Al Wilson, but I think his importance to the defense has been explained enough in previous posts.

[GiantRutgersFan]

If we draft Paul P, Poz-Pierce-Wilson would be one of the greatest LB corps in the NFL... Add that to our already outstanding D line...

[Larry]

Come on Nolan, give Denver a call.

[dhoe20]

I have some info for you guys-

The Broncos are interested in DE Justin Tuck in this deal, maybe a late round draft pick in addition. This would be more of a salary cap move than a football move. Corey Webster's name is also being thrown around along with William Joseph.

Wilson would likely br brought in to play SLB as he is better suited to make the change to the outside than Pierce is.

Swear if they trade Willie Joe I'll cream my pants.

[Chris]

I wouldn't doubt Denver being interested in Tuck, but it'll be more than him and a late-round pick in a deal to acquire him. Denver doesn't even save two million if he's traded, so it's not much savings now, but in the future it is. So, Number 10 is wrong on that, it's really not a cap savings move because if players are involved it doesn't mean much.

I couldn't see more than a second going for Wilson, but I'm sure Denver will get a nice offer. They rape in trades anyways.

[Diehard]

I think the move that will get DJ out of SAM is getting rid of Gold. I think Williams is a better Will then ILB, no?

WLB is his natural position, so yes, he'd be happy taking over Gold's spot. However, I think he's a great fit in the middle - he's a sideline-to-sideline kind of player with cover skills. I can see him growing to control the center of the field quite effectively. It's been a total waste to have him stuck battling it out on the strong side - just getting him out of there will be like recovering a 1st round pick...

The upcoming draft gives Shanny the opportunity to pick up a natural Sam, and Nate Webster can probably carry the load in the short term. Seems like a decent plan to me (assuming we fleece the Giants in the trade ;))

[Diehard]

I don't understand why the Broncos want to trade Al Wilson, but I think his importance to the defense has been explained enough in previous posts.

Why trade him?

1. He's in decline
2. He's been bothered by injuries
3. He still has trade value

No question, it would be a major emotional hit, but Shanny is ruthless - if he can get good value, he'll make the trade.

[CC.SD]

Leave it to the Broncos to sign a dozen free agents and not leave enough cash to pay the soul of their defense.

[TheChampIsHere]

Al Wilson is the broncos.

Youre joking right? I mean I know Al Wilson is the soul of the defense and Im a big fan of his. But Al Wilson IS the Broncos? You must be kidding. Its not like he was there when they were winning SBs or something.

[toonsterwu]

I guess all the offseason rumors surrounding him had something to it. His name had been tossed around in rumors for awhile, but I assumed it was the other team asking, not the Broncos offering.

For the Giants - Odd. Pierce would stay in the middle, and I like Al Wilson, but this goes against the getting younger moves that Jerry Reese has focused on this offseason. I think Al can transition outside just fine, especially with how the LB's would probably get utilized. In the end, it'll depend on the cost. If they are assuming they contract burden, then I can't see them doing this for any more than, say, a 3rd round value.

For the Broncos - Talent wise, they won't lose that much. DJ, as others have noted, has been horribly under utilized. Leadership wise, it is a concern. That being said, let's not overrate this idea of "losing leaders" as being significantly detrimental. Plenty of teams cut veterans, move on, and survive. This was a defense that was going to go through changes as it adapts to Jim Bates anyways, and while I thought Al Wilson would've worked real well similar to Nick Barnett and Zach Thomas, assuming a similar scheme usage, it still would've been an adjustment.

Is it for the salary purposes? It seems like a convenient excuse ... but considering how long his name has been out there (granted, the bulk of the rumors was with Washington), I really wonder if it's simply more just getting rid of someone at a high cost before the player begins to decline. I also wonder if this is an effort to try and get another asset to try and push up in the draft, particularly, with Washington, since Washington, depending on the rumors, wasn't going to go for their original offer and didn't need Al Wilson.

Will this trade go through? Who knows. There's always a lot of rumors, so we'll see how it plays out. That being said, don't you just get the feeling that, even if this doesn't go through, they'll move him to another team at some point? If they do move him, at some point in the draft, probably day 2, they'd likely make a move for a LB. Off the top of my head, the depth charts are fairly thin after the starting trio. Only person I can think of is Nate Webster, and he really shouldn't be a starter. They'd perhaps take a look at veteran FA's available now or with cuts that come on down the line.

[Jughead10]

I don't know how I fell about this trade. This one has my had spinning. Al Wilson is a great player but for how much longer. I'd hate to lose Justin Tuck as well.

[bigbluedefense]

Wilson would play SAM for us. At SAM, he'd have a good 3 years of production I would assume at least.

However, this is a stark contrast to what Reese is doing with the Giants, ie the youth movement. I don't know if this actually happens.

Pierce cannot play outside. He's a pure run thumping MIKE. Theres no other position for him to play.

I like Tuck, and I actually think barring injuries, he's more suited to play LE than Kiwi is. Kiwi is more of a situational pass rusher DE right now, and if the rumors are true, will play a hybrid SAM role like Julian Peterson did at WILL for the Seahawks this past year.

I rather stay away from Wilson. Quite frankly, Im tired of FA moves, and I want the Giants to go youth movement through the draft from now on. This would be a desperation move, and one that isn't worth it in the long run imo.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I have some info for you guys-

The Broncos are interested in DE Justin Tuck in this deal, maybe a late round draft pick in addition. This would be more of a salary cap move than a football move. Corey Webster's name is also being thrown around along with William Joseph.

Wilson would likely br brought in to play SLB as he is better suited to make the change to the outside than Pierce is.

He would be moving to play WILL not SAM.

[Jughead10]

He would be moving to play WILL not SAM.

I saw that report at BBI as well, but that makes no sense. We have two young guys that could play WILL in Wilkinson and Blackburn. All we have is Torbor at SAM, and I've seen reports that said the Giants are ok with Wilkinson starting going into the season. If Wilson was to play an OLB position to me strongside fits better.

[Number 10]

He would be moving to play WILL not SAM.


Thats what Garafolo says....but I was told Wilson is being viewed as a SAM, the Giants already have a WILL that willl likely start (Wilkinson) and they are interested in this class' WILLs such as Poz, Timmons, and Beason.

[Splat]

As a Chiefs fan I hope they do trade him and as a football fan I have to say WTF is Denver thinking?

[Jimmy]

furious... absolutely furious... YOU. DONT. TRADE. AL. WILSON. EVER!!!!!!

he is the heart of our Defence and has another 4 great years left. if this goes through i may never forgive shannahan. this is disgusting.



EVER

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[Jimmy]

look at my god damn sig... the dude is the sole of the broncos, is happy as ever, and is a great teammate

al, take a pay cut!

[Splat]

the dude is the sole of the broncos, is happy as ever, and is a great teammate

al, take a pay cut!

If he is the sole of your team and still playing lights out why should he take a pay cut?

[Jimmy]

I have some info for you guys-

The Broncos are interested in DE Justin Tuck in this deal, maybe a late round draft pick in addition. This would be more of a salary cap move than a football move. Corey Webster's name is also being thrown around along with William Joseph.

Wilson would likely br brought in to play SLB as he is better suited to make the change to the outside than Pierce is.

damn justin tuck, i didnt like him as a prospect, and i dont like him as a player... and ooooo a late round draft pick, sounds promising..
and we dont need a damn corner we have dre bly and that dude playing on the left

[Jimmy]

If he is the sole of your team and still playing lights out why should he take a pay cut?

because he loves the team, and is the sole of our team and plays lights out every game

[Splat]

because he loves the team, and is the sole of our team and plays lights out every game

Ya that makes since hey Al thanks for playing lights out every game for us and being our heart on D want to take a pay cut???

[Jimmy]

Ya that makes since hey Al thanks for playing lights out every game for us and being our heart on D want to take a pay cut???

its an attachment. you see what rod smith did?

[bigbluedefense]

damn justin tuck, i didnt like him as a prospect, and i dont like him as a player... and ooooo a late round draft pick, sounds promising..
and we dont need a damn corner we have dre bly and that dude playing on the left

If we somehow convince Shannahan to take Corey Webster and William Joseph for Wilson, I will laugh for 3 straight days non stop.

As for Tuck, he's a good player with lots of promise...IF he can stay healthy. He's had durability concerns his whole career. Strahan has helped mold him into a good player though, and if he can stay on the field, he'll be a solid LE.

[Splat]

its an attachment. you see what rod smith did?

Rod is past his prime and knows it Al is still a pro bowl LB.

[eacantdraft]

If we somehow convince Shannahan to take Corey Webster and William Joseph for Wilson, I will laugh for 3 straight days non stop.

As for Tuck, he's a good player with lots of promise...IF he can stay healthy. He's had durability concerns his whole career. Strahan has helped mold him into a good player though, and if he can stay on the field, he'll be a solid LE.

This is the Broncos, not the Raiders. The Broncos rarely make stupid trades for other teams reject, malcontents.

[Jughead10]

This is the Broncos, not the Raiders. The Broncos rarely make stupid trades for other teams reject, malcontents.

But the one thing they can't scout is D-lineman. Hell they have signed all the Cleveland Browns rejects. Why not take Willie Joe.

[ricky bobby]

Dre Bly
Al Wilson

for

William Joseph
Justin Tuck
RW McQuarters
4th round pick

That's all i'd give up.

[Number 10]

Dre Bly
Al Wilson

for

William Joseph
Justin Tuck
RW McQuarters
4th round pick

That's all i'd give up.


Thats never gonna happen

[Jimmy]

With the Denver Broncos signing free agents this offseason such as Travis Henry and Patrick Ramsey, they have gotten into salary cap trouble and rumors are circulating that Al Wilson may be on the trading block. Interested teams include the Philadelphia Eagles, Detroit Lions, and the frontrunner, the New York Giants, who would move him to WLB. Trade rumors with the Giants currently have the Giants and Broncos swapping 2007 first round picks, in addition to the Giants sending DE Justin Tuck and a 2007 4th round pick to Denver in return for Al Wilson.

if we could swap picks that might be different

[portermvp84]

I think if Al Wilson were to go to the Giants, he would put the Giants on the map for on of the top LB cores. I don't think the Broncos would get rid of one of their best defensive men and leaders. He's been there forever and he has continued to put up good numbers. The Broncos would ask for alot out of him, and I don't think the Ginats would give up a whole lot for him.

[bigbluedefense]

If we swap picks, I will drive to East Rutherford and punch Jerry Reese in the face.

[Damix]

I think the Giants best chance to compete would be to get Wilson and Bly in the deal. But what would we have to give up? If they are interested in Tuck you can start with him, add Webster as a young corner who could use a change of scenery. Then you start adding draft picks, it'd probably be switch firsts and a 3rd to make it reasonable, maybe more. It might make us better next year, but down the line not really.

[Jughead10]

If we swap picks, I will drive to East Rutherford and punch Jerry Reese in the face.

Agreed. That would then be the equivalent of a really high 3rd round pick, our 4th, and Tuck. Too much.

[bigbluedefense]

Webster's change of scenery involves working as a bagger at Shoprite. He has no NFL career, he's a bumb.

The problem I have with this trade is, its going against alot of things Reese was doing, in particular, getting younger. Why force the hand? We're better off building via the draft.

[Damix]

Webster's change of scenery involves working as a bagger at Shoprite. He has no NFL career, he's a bumb.

The problem I have with this trade is, its going against alot of things Reese was doing, in particular, getting younger. Why force the hand? We're better off building via the draft.

Webster is still young, can't write him off yet.

From what Reese has shown so far I doubt we make the trade unless he think it really benefits us.

Remember, the Giants have been involved in nearly every trade rumor this offseason, its good that he doesn't leave any stone unturned, but he knows value and has shown he'll only make a trade if it doesn't lose us anything important (Carter)

[Jughead10]

Webster is still young, can't write him off yet.

From what Reese has shown so far I doubt we make the trade unless he think it really benefits us.

Remember, the Giants have been involved in nearly every trade rumor this offseason, its good that he doesn't leave any stone unturned, but he knows value and has shown he'll only make a trade if it doesn't lose us anything important (Carter)

Webster is nothing important. I might be able to play a better corner than him at 230lbs and on an extremely lucky day break a 5.0 wind aided 40.

[Number 10]

I don't understand why you guys think swapping 1sts with the Broncos is such a big deal. You do know they have the 21st pick right?

[bigbluedefense]

I don't understand why you guys think swapping 1sts with the Broncos is such a big deal. You do know they have the 21st pick right?

Whoops, didn't know that.

I still don't like the trade in the long term, unless somehow we trick him to take Joseph + Webster + swap picks for Wilson. I don't want to lose Tuck.

[bigbluedefense]

Webster is nothing important. I might be able to play a better corner than him at 230lbs and on an extremely lucky day break a 5.0 wind aided 40.

Honestly, Ive thought about this myself, and I honestly think I can play CB better than Webster. Ive played some CB in my day, and I can probably run a 5.2 40 now that I don't keep in shape anymore, which is approximately 2 seconds faster than Webster's 40 time. Its not even his speed, its his complete lack of body awareness that pisses me off. How did he ever become a CB?

Reggie Ball has a better chance of surviving the NFL than Corey Webster.

[Jughead10]

Whoops, didn't know that.

I still don't like the trade in the long term, unless somehow we trick him to take Joseph + Webster + swap picks for Wilson. I don't want to lose Tuck.

Yeah I didn't know that either. I thought they had 31 for some reason which doesn't make sense since they didn't make the Super Bowl.

[Muckluck]

If the Giants or Eagles won't send a first round pick I think the Lions will.

What is the absolute lowest offer the Broncos would even consider for Al Wilson?

[Jughead10]

If the Giants or Eagles won't send a first round pick I think the Lions will.

What is the absolute lowest offer the Broncos would even consider for Al Wilson?

No one is sending a first round pick for a 30 year old LBer. Actually maybe Matt Millen would.

[Number 10]

Wilson is in NY right now going through an extensive physical.

[bigbluedefense]

Wilson is in NY right now going through an extensive physical.

That must mean its official? He wouldn't be here unless both sides agreed on something.

[Number 10]

That must mean its official? He wouldn't be here unless both sides agreed on something.

Not necessarily....Giants may want to see how his neck is before they agree on anything.

[bigbluedefense]

Not necessarily....Giants may want to see how his neck is before they agree on anything.

Ugh, I hope this doesn't happen. Don't get me wrong, he's a great player, but we need to draft guys and let our in house talent develop. Enough is enough with these wholesale LB solutions.

And I like Tuck too.

[Number 10]

I'd love Wilson here.

[ricky bobby]

I wouldn't mind Wilson, but only at a fair price. Wilson has been solid for most of his career. He's not wowing, but he's very solid. He'd be a good addition at SLB, but i'll be ticked off if we overpay. We didn't want to give up a first day pick for McGahee, we better not give one up for a 30 year old linebacker.

[bigbluedefense]

I'd love Wilson here.

At what price though? Thats what I wanna know. I could either love this or hate this depending on the price

[Jughead10]

Being reported in both Denver and NY/NJ papers that it is near done.

[Forenci]

Argh. I'll drive right to the George Washington Bridge and plunge in head first if we're giving up any of our day one picks for Al Wilson.

Nothing against Wilson, I like the guy a lot actually. I just think we need to keep our most of our draft picks to rebuild, in particular, day one picks.

That said, if we send Webster and William Jospeh and perhaps a 5th for Wilson, I will find Jerry Reese and make sure he is proclaimed the King of New York City. He all ready got rid of some of our most hated players (Carter, Emmons), but if he can get rid of Webster and Willie Jo, for a good SAM..I will weep tears of joy.

[princefielder28]

Atleast some teams are attempting to get better. (cough) Green Bay

[Jughead10]

I wonder if Tuck is in Denver getting a physical. If he is involved in this deal he would need one as well.

[Muckluck]

Yeah I meant 1st day pick, not number 2 overall.

Boy, that was a fine debut.

Anyway I would've thought the Lions would trade 34 or at least 66 for Wilson. I guess the Broncos really like what they're getting in return.

[LTgiants]

hope its wille joe or jim finn instead of tuck

[Damix]

If there is a deal it'll be Tuck

[Jughead10]

I would think the Broncos are specifically looking for D-line help. And a mid round pick. I don't know how much the Lions can offer them in D-line help.

[Jimmy]

ITS OFFICIAL HE's GONE

YOU ****ing suck Shanahan. how in the fing world could u trade him
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_5505017

[Muckluck]

Let's just say that the Lions offer pick 34. I'm not saying they would but then the Broncos could either:

a.) take Anthony Spencer/Charles Johnson

b.) package 21 and 34 (or other picks)and go get one of Carriker/Anderson/Adams

I think that would be much better than Justin Tuck and a 4th.

I'm not even so sure I'd take Justin Tuck and pick 150 something over pick 66.

[49ersfan_87]

From the article jimmy linked


The Broncos are trading Wilson in part because they need to pare their payroll after they signed free agents Travis Henry and Daniel Graham to a combined guarantee of $27 million


I dont understand why they would sign graham to that contract, and then be forced to get rid of wilson? The graham deal never made sense IMO because they have scheffler, and he showed a lot of promise. If this is true, it came back to bite them.

[bigbluedefense]

What did we give up!?!?!?!

I hope we didn't give up too much.....

[Jughead10]

What did we give up!?!?!?!

I hope we didn't give up too much.....

NOw it is being reported the deal is dead. Maybe he didn't pass his physical. This is crazy.

[Number 10]

Giants apparantly saw something they did not like in the physical. Looks like this isn't going to happen.

[bigbluedefense]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh! !!!!

[Shiver]

What's wrong with him? Maybe something that Denver hoped would slip through, and wouldn't be noticed until after they unloaded him?

[Jughead10]

I have a funny feeling that Reese is using these clowns (Giants beatwriters), for a purpose. All the Giants beatwriters for multiple papers all had the info that the trade was nixed basically within 5 minutes of each other and had it posted on their blogs?

I'm waiting until I see something from the Denver Post.

[bigbluedefense]

Its like going out on a date with the biggest tease. One second, you swear she wants to bang you, the next second, she's waiving her finger and pulling you away.

[Damix]

Its like going out on a date with the biggest tease. One second, you swear she wants to bang you, the next second, she's waiving her finger and pulling you away.



BBD speaks from experience =(

[3projectPAT6]

quit playing with my emotions!!

i need to decied if im gonna lead a mob to shanahans house or not!!

[Jughead10]

quit playing with my emotions!!

i need to decied if im gonna lead a mob to shanahans house or not!!

I think Wilson is gone. Just a matter of where to. Didn't the Broncos sign Webster today to play MLB?

[bigbluedefense]

BBD speaks from experience =(

=(

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[Jimmy]

shanahan is a dead man regarless. please al, fail your physical

[Jimmy]

wickety wickety MOTHER****ing word

http://origin.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5505017

[bigbluedefense]

I wonder what the Giants were willing to give up?

[Damix]

2 other stories have quoted the star ledger, so the story banks on them, and this is the guy who makes mistakes every single day in his blog, most notably the salary cap mishap.

The deal might be dead, but I'd rather it from another source

[MasterShake]

Sirius NFL Radio 2 minute drill reported....

Al Wilson failed his physical with the NY Giants due to a neck injury.

Take it for what its worth.

[Shiver]

No wonder Denver wanted to unload him.

[Damix]

I wonder if we could still trade for him for significatly less? Did he miserably fail the physical?

[Shiver]

Would you trade for damaged goods? A late twenties, LB, with major injury concerns. Sound familiar? It should. That's the last thing the Giants should do.

[premo11]

i dont like the trade much. why would denver do this when they are on the doorstep of a big playoff run this year? doesnt make sense to me

[draftguru151]

Is a neck injury a major injury concern? Arrington had a lot bigger problems, don't remember Wilson missing a lot of games.

[Damix]

Would you trade for damaged goods? A late twenties, LB, with major injury concerns. Sound familiar? It should. That's the last thing the Giants should do.


Major? He didn't miss any games with it. Thats why I asked if he miserably failed it. You could do worse for a 7th round pick if he barely failed the physical

[Number 10]

Is a neck injury a major injury concern? Arrington had a lot bigger problems, don't remember Wilson missing a lot of games.


But you are foregetting the contract that LA signed.

The Giants would have to take on Wilson's $5 million per year through 2010.

[Shiver]

Major? He didn't miss any games with it. Thats why I asked if he miserably failed it. You could do worse for a 7th round pick if he barely failed the physical

Two things make me thing that;

1. - He couldn't pass a physical, obviously.

2. - Most of all; it is unusual for the Broncos to almost give the guy away, for no where near market value. It seems to me that they are trying to get something from him, while they can.

That's just my theory.

[Damix]

Two things make me thing that;

1. - He couldn't pass a physical, obviously.

2. - Most of all; it is unusual for the Broncos to almost give the guy away, for no where near market value. It seems to me that they are trying to get something from him, while they can.

That's just my theory.

And as I said it is different between failing by a bit, and miserably failing. Of course I don't want a hopeless case.

We don't know the trade, so I can't really form an opinion on if they were going to get market value

[JagHombre22]

just draft lawrence timmons and be done with it...

[Chris]

Teams have different credentials in terms of physicals.

Al passed his season ending physical at the Broncos with nothing concerning coming up on it. Denver has one of the best training staffs in the league in that regard and they take very good care of their players. I think the Giants were unwilling to take the salary that Al would come with. So, they deny it - in hopes to get Denver to lower their standards in what they want in the trade.

It'll be pick only, no players will be involved, but at best I see the Broncos getting a third-round for him now, more likely the Giants fourth this year, plus a conditional 2008 round pick. Giants hold all the cards in this trade, they have all the leverage. Regardless, Al will be dealt. He didn't fail this physical based on any lingering effects, as Al was interviewed and said it had nothing to do with that. Strictly a financial failure here.

Other teams remain interested. I'd like a first-day pick for him, but I'd take anything we could get for someone who is likely to either take a pay cut or be cut if a trade isn't worked.

[njx9]

so is the deal dead as of now? i'm having a tough time following these conflicting reports...

[Number 10]

NJX-

From what I have been told, Reese is still very much interested in acquiring Wilson but he wants the Broncos to lower the demand because of the combination of salary and potential neck injuries. I'd be suprised to see the Giants trade for him though, but I would be even more suprised to see Wilson in a Broncos uniform next year.

[njx9]

hideous.

well, at least we have a TE who doesn't really catch passes that well for way more money than he's worth instead. i'm stoked. can't wait for the lack of defensive leadership and overall ability at 2/3 LB positions. if/when this goes through, i have a difficult time imagining denver as better than 3rd place in the AFC West.

[draftguru151]

hideous.

well, at least we have a TE who doesn't really catch passes that well for way more money than he's worth instead. i'm stoked. can't wait for the lack of defensive leadership and overall ability at 2/3 LB positions. if/when this goes through, i have a difficult time imagining denver as better than 3rd place in the AFC West.

You have Cutler, everything will be fine.

[njx9]

You have Cutler, everything will be fine.

i'm also a worthless pessimist. but if this is all because of salary, shanny will have taken a quarter step forward with the early moves, then 6 steps back when he gets rid of one of the best MLB's in the NFL for basically nothing.