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JaxJag_1
04-20-2011, 10:21 AM
Trades
Houston trades picks 11, 42, and 138 to Arizona for pick 5
Tampa Bay trades picks 20, 84, and 151 to Miami for pick 15
Minnesota trades pick 43, 139, and 2012 1st round pick to Kansas City for pick 21
Denver trades picks 36 and 67 to Seattle for pick 25
Washington trades pick 41 and 2012 1st round pick to Atlanta for pick 27
San Diego trades picks 50 and 61 to New England for pick 28


1. Carolina Panthers - Cam Newton, QB, Auburn

2. Denver Broncos - Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama

3. Buffalo Bills - Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M

4. Cincinnati Bengals - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama

5. Houston Texans (from ARI) - Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU

6. Cleveland Browns - A.J. Green, WR, Georgia

7. San Francisco 49ers - Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska

8. Tennessee Titans - Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri

9. Dallas Cowboys - Cameron Jordan, DE, California

10. Washington Redskins - Robert Quinn, OLB, North Carolina

11. Arizona Cardinals (from HOU) - Tyron Smith, OT, USC

12. Minnesota Vikings - Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson

13. Detroit Lions - J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin

14. St. Louis Rams - Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri

15. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from MIA) - Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue

16. Jacksonville Jaguars - Andy Dalton, QB, TCU

17. New England Patriots (from OAK) - Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida

18. San Diego Chargers - Nick Fairley, DE, Auburn

19. New York Giants - Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College

20. Miami Dolphins (from TB) - Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame

21. Minnesota Vikings (from KC) - Jake Locker, QB, Washington

22. Indianapolis Colts - Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois

23. Philadelphia Eagles - Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado

24. New Orleans Saints - Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama

25. Denver Broncos (from SEA) - Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada

26. Baltimore Ravens - Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, Temple

27. Washington Redskins (from ATL) - Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas

28. San Diego Chargers (from NE) - Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA

29. Chicago Bears - Nate Solder, OT, Colorado

30. New York Jets - Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor

31. Pittsburgh Steelers - Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State

32. Green Bay Packers - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin

BmoreBlackByrdz
04-20-2011, 10:26 AM
Good Ravens pick.

Can't see Cincinnati taking Julio over A.J.
Don't see Andy Dalton or Colin Kaepernick going in the 1st round.

Seasonticketholder
04-20-2011, 10:33 AM
Great Saints pick! If we could somehow get Adrian Clayborn in round 2, and maybe Mason Foster and Kenrick Ellis in round 3, I would be ecstatic. Of course, getting Clayborn in round 2 might involve trading a pick in the third, that is, unless we trade a future pick to move up.

Seasonticketholder
04-20-2011, 10:34 AM
Hmm, that's a lot for Washington to have to give up to move up 14 spots. I would think a second, a third and maybe a second next year would be a bit wiser than giving up a first next year.

zachsaints52
04-20-2011, 10:36 AM
Okay, so heres your logic for the Saints.

We pass the ball roughly 60-65% of the time, which leaves lets say 37% of the time for runs.

We have Bush, Thomas, and Ivory for RBs. We have to give Bush touches no matter what, so take away 10-15% for Bush. You mean to tell me we need to go after a RB in the 1st round to carry the ball about 10-15 times a game, while our Front 7 can't put on a stable pass rush outside Smith and Ellis? Give us Heyward.

JaxJag_1
04-20-2011, 10:37 AM
Hmm, that's a lot for Washington to have to give up to move up 14 spots. I would think a second, a third and maybe a second next year would be a bit wiser than giving up a first next year.

Right, but they don't have a 3rd or 4th round pick this year

I live in the DC area and the reporters locally are that Mike Shanahan does believe in Mallett, but Kyle wants Dalton or Ponder.

I don't think Mallett is number one on their wishlist, I think he's probably 4th behind Gabbert, Newton, and Locker but they could get desperate if Locker is taken like he was in my mock. Because this draft must produce a QB in DC, there's no question about that.

wicket
04-20-2011, 11:30 AM
Okay, so heres your logic for the Saints.

We pass the ball roughly 60-65% of the time, which leaves lets say 37% of the time for runs.

We have Bush, Thomas, and Ivory for RBs. We have to give Bush touches no matter what, so take away 10-15% for Bush. You mean to tell me we need to go after a RB in the 1st round to carry the ball about 10-15 times a game, while our Front 7 can't put on a stable pass rush outside Smith and Ellis? Give us Heyward.

^^^ pretty much this but add carries for ivory and thomas and keep in mind that ingram is a liability in the saints passing game and needs many carries to even be effective and you have my response

Dunta_23
04-20-2011, 12:21 PM
I dont think the Texans can afford to move a 2nd with the switch to the 3-4....too many question marks

Seasonticketholder
04-20-2011, 01:09 PM
Okay, so heres your logic for the Saints.

We pass the ball roughly 60-65% of the time, which leaves lets say 37% of the time for runs.

We have Bush, Thomas, and Ivory for RBs. We have to give Bush touches no matter what, so take away 10-15% for Bush. You mean to tell me we need to go after a RB in the 1st round to carry the ball about 10-15 times a game, while our Front 7 can't put on a stable pass rush outside Smith and Ellis? Give us Heyward.

Few points in response:

1. The Saints do not want to go through another season where they are passing the ball on 63% of their plays. They would like to get that number back to the 2009 level when they were were at a 53/47 % pass-run ratio.

2. Payton has already stated that he envisions Ivory playing the role that Mike Bell played for us as a closer and short yardage. Reggie is a satellite back and does not have a heavy role in the rushing game. He can get 2 touches one game, 10 the next and 5 after that depending on how things go. But he's not going to get a consistent number of carries such that he factors into how much we run the ball. That leaves Pierre Thomas, who has averaged 8.7 carries game over his career. Even if we judge his touches by 2009 levels, then he is only at 10.5. Certainly, then, that leaves room to add a back--even if it is not Ingram--who could get a significant amount of carries. Payton wants to be at around 30-35 carries a game. In 2009, we were at 30.5. So, if you take 30.5, and you assume that Ingram would get the bulk of that load if he were our first round pick, then you would imagine he would likely get about 13-15 carries a game. Pierre would likely draw around 8-10. With Ivory, his touches will depend on the flow of the game and if we have a lead in the fourth quarter. With Bush, it will also depend on the flow of the game and how involved he is as a runner versus receiver and/or decoy in the game plan.

3. WE DO NEED TO IMPROVE OUR PASS RUSH. But one of the interesting things I see is when someone suggest that we need to improve our pass rush while suggesting guys who are not pass rush specialists. Cameron Heyward is a solid player, great guy off the field. I teach at OSU and in my brief encounters with Cam, he seems to have a really pleasant spirit and good head on his shoulders. That said, he's not a 10 sack guy. He can be disruptive--though at times inconsistent despite a non-stop motor--but he's not a big time pas rushing specialist. He is, however, a force against the run. Problem. Alex Brown actually held up well against the run though he did not offer much of a pass rush. So the question becomes, what is Cam Heyward adding? I think he's a guy who might go out and get you 5 to 7, maybe 8 scaks (and that's in a great year) but he's not going to be a dominant force against the pass off the edge. Now, that's not to suggest that he's a bad player or would be a bad player for us. He offers schematic versatility, especially when we switch to 3-4 fronts; he can play the 5-tech with Ellis playing the opposite side and Rogers manning the middle. And a starting defensive line that includes Heyward, Rogers, Ellis and Smith should generate pressure up front even if it does not result in sacks. Hurries and hits are just as important as Gregg Williams will so often emphasize. Rogers' presence alone should open things up for Sed Ellis and Will Smith should face lesser double teams outside. But we ought not kid ourselves in suggesting Cam Heyward as a sort of solution to our pass rushing woes. There are a lot of highly rated defensive linemen in this draft but less than a handful that are adept at consistently getting to the quarterback. I think this is one of the reasons why Payton has stressed that improving the pass rush does not mean selecting a DE; he would just as gladly take a LB who can get to the passer if he has to do so.

Right, but they don't have a 3rd or 4th round pick this year

I live in the DC area and the reporters locally are that Mike Shanahan does believe in Mallett, but Kyle wants Dalton or Ponder.

I don't think Mallett is number one on their wishlist, I think he's probably 4th behind Gabbert, Newton, and Locker but they could get desperate if Locker is taken like he was in my mock. Because this draft must produce a QB in DC, there's no question about that.

Fair enough. Didn't realize Redskins had such a dearth of picks in the third and fourth rounds, although that would make sense since I know they are sending us their third rounder because of the Jammal Brown trade.

Pat Sims 90
04-20-2011, 02:59 PM
AJ Green over Julio Jones for the Bengals.

49erNation85
04-20-2011, 04:23 PM
That is just a horrible all around draft.Denver is not giong to take a QB they have Tebow.Dalton and Ck don't be belong any where near the first round maybe late second.Every other pick seems good though. Like the 9ers pick.But dam Houston for jumping us!

JaxJag_1
04-21-2011, 11:16 AM
Denver is not giong to take a QB they have Tebow.

And John Elway has said before and has showed he is not a Tebow believer -- like 95 percent of America.