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proshoota25
04-28-2011, 10:53 AM
Opinion on our picks.... trade downs.... and guys on the board we really want. Draft rumors, all of the kind...


Want all of this in one thread so we can keep organized ;)

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 01:19 PM
So it really looks like we're in for both an exciting night and a disappointing one(as always). Can't wait until we all sit in this thread talking "HERE COMES THE TRADE GUYS!" and then it never happens :(

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 01:21 PM
haha heres to hoping for robert quinn.... but a trade would be a nice change of pace

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 01:24 PM
If that's the case, we REALLY feel strongly about Quinn....and that's probably a good sign.

Nice to talk with you guys too, I've missed you all.

descendency
04-28-2011, 02:45 PM
Maybe since Bill Parcells doesn't work for Miami anymore, we can ask him who the best rush linebacker is in the draft. he seems to know something about them.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 02:51 PM
His draft special was fantastic stuff.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 04:12 PM
NFL Network sources(which are usually good) are reporting that we "absolutely will not" trade up to either #9 or #6. No word on #10 yet, but I think we can reasonable assume that's likely grouped in there too. I'm not buying it at this point either way yet. I don't think there's any way to be sure either way until it either happens or doesn't with this team. Something that big would never leak without some kind of objective behind it getting out there.

sdotcarter33
04-28-2011, 04:58 PM
Maybe since Bill Parcells doesn't work for Miami anymore, we can ask him who the best rush linebacker is in the draft. he seems to know something about them.

Bobby Carpenter? LOL
J/K i totally agree with what you stated.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 05:58 PM
jay glazer is reporting robert quinn is falling due to medical concerns.... id love to jump and get him if he falls but the medical concerns is scary

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 06:01 PM
jay glazer is reporting robert quinn is falling due to medical concerns.... id love to jump and get him if he falls but the medical concerns is scary

I've been saying this for a while. People have been mocking Quinn top 12 all spring based on that great one year he had. But he has so many serious question marks that it won't surprise me at all if he doesn't go until some time in the twenties.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 06:02 PM
That would certainly play into our favor.

....we'll pass on him anyway.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 06:02 PM
I've been saying this for a while. People have been mocking Quinn top 12 all spring based on that great one year he had. But he has so many serious question marks that it won't surprise me at all if he doesn't go until some time in the twenties.

hes def worth the risk at that point in my opinion

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 06:03 PM
This draft is just so weak there are only three guys that will go top 10 that I really would even be interested in for the Pats.. and two of those are WR's. I almost hope they trade back from 17 because other than Kerrigan there isn't a single guy that will be available in the 10 to 20 range that I really would be excited to get.

Kerrigan and Heyward are probably the two guys I like most and I don't expect the Pats to take either one.

There are guys in the 25 to 50 range that I like better than most of the top 20 guys.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 06:07 PM
BB is on NFLN right now. Denied everything.

Babylon
04-28-2011, 06:11 PM
BB is on NFLN right now. Denied everything.

Just a fountain of information isnt he?

I'm thinking they'll sit tight and get a good DE at #17 and then trade the 28th pick to someone desperate for a QB.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 06:14 PM
If that's the way it breaks, I'm more than happy with that. Tennessee's on again off again Mallet crush could really work to our advantage if he falls.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 06:15 PM
The rumor now is 17 and 60 to Dallas to move up for Jordan, and also making the same offer to Minnesota. While i don't think they should trade up for Jordan, this move would at least still leave them with 28 and 33 and they could regain a pick or two by moving one or both of those back.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 06:17 PM
I'm on board with it. Completely. Jordan is a dynamic player and just the kind of talent we need to add to a front seven that's starving for upside.

Jay
04-28-2011, 06:24 PM
17/60 for 9 or 12 in a heartbeat. I want any of the beastly pass rushers, namely Jordan. I am really hoping for a mad run on QB's early, too. The more QB's that go in the first the merrier.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 06:30 PM
If the Pats were to trade up to 9 or 12 I'd actually rather they took Prince or Julio if they were somehow available than a guy like Jordan. You can probably get him later than 12 and even if you can't there are several very comparable players you can get at 17 or 28.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 06:35 PM
Disagree with that entirely. There's good players, but no one anywhere near as dynamic. We love versatility and Jordan oozes it.

sdotcarter33
04-28-2011, 06:53 PM
Just a fountain of information isnt he?

I'm thinking they'll sit tight and get a good DE at #17 and then trade the 28th pick to someone desperate for a QB.

i think for or 5 qb's will be gone by 28.
I'd be more then happy if we could get pouncey/jordan at # 17. I do see Quinn falling out of the top 10 unless someone moves up to get him.

Are you guys watching on nfln or espn?

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 06:56 PM
i think for or 5 qb's will be gone by 28.
I'd be more then happy if we could get pouncey/jordan at # 17. I do see Quinn falling out of the top 10 unless someone moves up to get him.

Are you guys watching on nfln or espn?

ESPN................

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 06:56 PM
Draft hasn't even started yet and I'm already sick of the Cam-Newton-a-thon that is going on. Both channels that's all they have talked about for the last hour. Hope he goes first so we can move on from the Cam fest (fingers crossed).

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 07:15 PM
I was hoping Denver would take Dareus so Buff would take Miller. Von Miller doesn't scare me nearly as much as Dareus does if I'm the Pats and I have to play him twice a year.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 08:01 PM
The board is breaking PERFECTLY for us.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:08 PM
I'm not sure how he fits, but I'd be curious where BB has Fairley rated on his board. He could keep dropping.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 08:11 PM
I want no part in him. Doesn't have a place in our base defense and has some pretty large character concerns.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:17 PM
I agree. Never know with BB though.

sdotcarter33
04-28-2011, 08:22 PM
let the qb's keep rolling.....andy dalton should be gone by 28, hopefully by 17.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:23 PM
Miami could take Mallett.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 08:27 PM
I hope they take Ingram, personally.


Cam Jordan a legit possibility!!!!

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:27 PM
I'm actually hoping for Prince.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 08:32 PM
Amukamara and Kerrigan still on the board. If the redskins get kerrigan my day is over.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 08:33 PM
....please go Ingram Prince. I will be so ******* pumped if I finally get one of my guys on this team.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:34 PM
Looks like Pats will have their choice of Prince, Jordan, and Kerrigan.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 08:34 PM
Gentlemen, please, gather around and hope with all your hoping might that we don't take Ingram.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:36 PM
Yeah, maybe Washington will take Ingram so the Pats can't.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 08:39 PM
Gentlemen, please, gather around and hope with all your hoping might that we don't take Ingram.

I believe Ingram can drop to 28 so I'm not that worried.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:41 PM
A trade down could be coming. Still lots of defensive front 7 guys you can get at 28.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 08:42 PM
REALLY hope we stand put and take Jordan. Anyone but Ingram.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 08:42 PM
This is torture. Prince and Cam on the board still and we'll no doubt trade down.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:44 PM
Kerrigan is really the last of the "pass rushers", so a trade down is a real possibility here. Prince, Jordan, or Heyward would be my pick if they stay put.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 08:45 PM
tick . . . tick . . . tick . . .

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 08:47 PM
Jordan!! Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 08:49 PM
Fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:49 PM
Ugh!! Well whatever.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 08:49 PM
im so mad lol

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 08:50 PM
I'm OK with this guys. It wasn't Ingram. Solder could be a god damned stud with some coaching. I'm really alright with this guys, I mean it.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 08:51 PM
We need Houston now. If we go for Ayers I'll be angry.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:51 PM
I told myself I wouldn't be upset with an OT because it was a given they'd take one early. Trust Dante to make him a player. Now let's address that defense.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 08:52 PM
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/5540/mokwiththispats.png

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 08:52 PM
Dante better work some magic.

Such an unsexy pick with Jordan & Amukamara on the board.

I has a sad.

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 08:53 PM
The pass rush is never going to be what it once was.

Razor
04-28-2011, 08:53 PM
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/5540/mokwiththispats.png

^^This... Pretty "meh" pick, but I'm fine with it. Everything is better than Cam ******* Jordan.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 08:54 PM
.....we could still trade up for Jordan guys. Chargers take Liuget.

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 08:55 PM
I wanted Jordan hahaha.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 08:55 PM
^^This... Pretty "meh" pick, but I'm fine with it. Everything is better than Cam ******* Jordan.

Wow, someone else doesn't like jordan

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 08:55 PM
Jordan, Heyward, Wilkerson, and more DL's still available. No real pass rushers left anyway. Maybe Houston, Reed or Sheard. But they're second rounders to me.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 08:56 PM
.....we could still trade up for Jordan guys. Chargers take Liuget.

We've known all along the depth at DE would make it easy to pass on the early ones. I will still be thrilled to get Heyward or Wilkerson, assuming we don't see Jordan slide far enough.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 08:57 PM
we could have gotten solder a little later.... watch we will take ingram next and completely ignore our defense lol

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 08:58 PM
Donte is the best in football guys. Solder has IMMENSE potential. If anyone can get it out of him, it's us.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 09:00 PM
we could have gotten solder a little later.... watch we will take ingram next and completely ignore our defense lol

IDK - looking at the draft order we have 4 teams in a row that could go OT w/NYG, TB, KC & INDY.

have to figure tampa goes Prince, though.

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 09:01 PM
we could have gotten solder a little later.... watch we will take ingram next and completely ignore our defense lol

Exactly what I was thinking, which I suppose is why Im pissed at the moment. I assume were losing Mankins with that pick as well.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 09:01 PM
I believe a run on OL is coming with Giants, Bears and Colts so I'm not sure Solder would be available.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:01 PM
Guys, taking Solder there kind of indicates that teams liked him a lot more than us fans did. We get a potential top five tackle at #17. I'm honestly OK with this.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 09:02 PM
Guys, taking Solder there kind of indicates that teams liked him a lot more than us fans did. We get a potential top five tackle at #17. I'm honestly OK with this.

you must be disappointed we didnt take jordan lol

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 09:03 PM
have to figure tampa goes Prince, though.

Giants just stole that one out of their mouths.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 09:03 PM
Guys, taking Solder there kind of indicates that teams liked him a lot more than us fans did. We get a potential top five tackle at #17. I'm honestly OK with this.

I concur.

He still ain't sexy.

lol


Giants fans should be thrilled. Prince looks to be a beast long term.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:04 PM
I am, but I'm way more excited we didn't take Ingram. Solder isn't ideal, but the board is breaking pretty well for us right now. Not worried about not getting a defensive end and a linebacker yet. We could still trade up with someone like Philly, who likely wants Brandon Harris in the second.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 09:09 PM
i really hope we make picks at 28 and 33 now..... hopefully one of the DEs fall

Razor
04-28-2011, 09:11 PM
Wow, someone else doesn't like jordan

Yeah, I ******* hate him. I want Wilkerson, although I think we trade out of #28.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:11 PM
I honestly see trading up as a possibility.

Razor
04-28-2011, 09:13 PM
I'm going to kill puppies if we trade up for Jordan...

Razor
04-28-2011, 09:14 PM
And if we didn't trade up for Quinn I'd be ******* pissed if we traded up for a bum like Jordan.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:14 PM
How in the world is Jordan a bum? You're coming on awfully strong on this one.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 09:16 PM
I actually have expected an OT to be this pick all along. I just had no idea which one it would be. I'm glad it was Solder over Castonzo though. I really don't like that guy.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:16 PM
I like Castanzo a lot, but he doesn't have the upside that Solder does. We can put Solder on the right side, move Vollmer to the left and forget all about Matt Light's ****** years.

Razor
04-28-2011, 09:17 PM
I just really don't like Cam Jordan for us....

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 09:19 PM
looks like a DE falls to us at 28.... do we trade out? we shall see..... I mean a first round of Solder and Jordan/Wilkerson/Heyward would be pretty solid

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 09:21 PM
I'm with you Razor. I don't like Jordan nearly as much as the majority. But now as we get to the bottom of the round (where I've said all along is where he belongs) picking him could be a lot more acceptable.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 09:21 PM
Yeah, I ******* hate him. I want Wilkerson, although I think we trade out of #28.

If Wilkerson is there at 28 I say we jump on him right away.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 09:22 PM
I'd hope for Heyward if they stay at 28. Look for OLB and RB in round 2.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:22 PM
It looks like we well could sit tight here...

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 09:24 PM
I still can't get over how much Atlanta gave up to get Julio.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 09:24 PM
It looks like we well could sit tight here...

i agree..... who can take DE here in front of us? Balt/KC? leaves one for us

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:25 PM
Yeah, that was some crazy **** man. Surprised Dimitroff made that move. Clearly had some disagreements with his former bosses.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:25 PM
i agree..... who can take DE here in front of us? Balt/KC? leaves one for us

Baltimore is going to take Jordan is no one stops them. Unless they have a weird thing for Bowers like they've had for some guys who have fallen in the past.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 09:28 PM
I've heard a lot of Heyward to Baltimore talk over the last few weeks. I hope they can get him. I keep finding myself hoping they take Acho in round 2.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:29 PM
Watkins to Philly. Jimmy Smith is a prime time Ravens target, which might save us a defensive end.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 09:29 PM
I still can't get over how much Atlanta gave up to get Julio.

I was thinking about it and that maybe why few teams traded up. Most teams might have set a price to their picks similar to what Cleveland did and that's why we missed Quinn at 14.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Saints should be all over Jordan. He'd be a solid 43 DE for them.

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 09:36 PM
hahaha you want to trade up for Quinn and not Jordan?

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:36 PM
I hate this point. The people in front of us want to take guys we want. Someone will be walking away with a player that would be a good fit for us...

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 09:37 PM
I could see Bowers here for NO as well

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 09:39 PM
I hate this point. The people in front of us want to take guys we want. Someone will be walking away with a player that would be a good fit for us...

Pretty much. I'm assuming well trade out of 28 as well.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:39 PM
I hope one of the next few teams takes Bowers to preserve a five technique. New Orleans can take someone like Paea and then Seattle takes Smith...then Baltimore takes a chance on Bowers. Kansas City does a kindness and ***** off and we get Jordan. /dream

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 09:41 PM
If we wanted Jordan im thinking we would of picked him at 17. I dont see us going for him. Oh and there he goes, good job Pats. Once again lets ignore our biggest need. /end drunk rant

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 09:42 PM
jordan to NO.... great pick for them

Razor
04-28-2011, 09:42 PM
If we wanted Jordan im thinking we would of picked him at 17. I dont see us going for him. Oh and there he goes, good job Pats. Once again lets ignore our biggest need.

Thanks, New Orleans... I won't have to kill puppies tonight.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 09:42 PM
hahaha you want to trade up for Quinn and not Jordan?

Quinn went at 14 and Jordan is going at 24. So not only I but most teams also thought Quinn was a better value and player.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 09:42 PM
Ingram could be the 28.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:44 PM
RIP Patriots team boner #1 of 2011.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 09:44 PM
Ingram could be the 28.

I'd rather getting Ryan Willians at 33

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 09:44 PM
Also, don't be shocked if it's another OL. They have been heavily interested in top OL's and DL's leading up to this draft. Getting tougher in those trenches.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 09:44 PM
if seattle takes QB here, pats are def trading out of 28 for someone to grab that last decent QB

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 09:45 PM
I'd rather getting Ryan Willians at 33

Same here. I like both Leshoure and Williams more than Ingram.

Razor
04-28-2011, 09:46 PM
I'd rather getting Ryan Willians at 33

I really, really like Kendall Hunter for us in the bottom of the second. Ridiculous lateral mobility and explosiveness.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:47 PM
I would much rather trade down than select Ingram. I think Ryan Williams is SEVERELY overrated too. Another Virginia Tech fools gold RB. Much rather take Leshoure at some point tomorrow than either of those two.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 09:49 PM
Leshoure is my favorite RB in this draft. I'd be happy with him at 28 or 33. I like Heyward at 28 too.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 09:49 PM
you guys overrate williams, while i think a lot of people underrate ingram

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 09:49 PM
Thanks, New Orleans... I won't have to kill puppies tonight.

haha I will be killing puppies tonight. I'm trying to take a wait and see approach I suppose, I should realize like every year watching us draft at the time of the draft is frustrating as hell.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 09:51 PM
I would much rather trade down than select Ingram. I think Ryan Williams is SEVERELY overrated too. Another Virginia Tech fools gold RB. Much rather take Leshoure at some point tomorrow than either of those two.

He doesn't need to be a franchise back. I'm happy with the setup we have with our committee and Willians would be a complementary back to Law-firm, Ingram is more like what we have only a little bit better.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:51 PM
you guys overrate williams, while i think a lot of people underrate ingram

1200 yards just isn't as big of a deal as it used to be.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 09:51 PM
LOL, Rich Eisen explaining Mayock's terminology and the difference between a "character guy" (bad) and a "high character guy" (good).

Then Mayock says we want high character guys up here on our set, and I couldn't help but think "then why's Michael Irvin sitting there?"

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 09:52 PM
Just about now I'm happy Pete Carroll isn't our coach anymore.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 09:52 PM
C'mon DE!


Carpenter just scored me big points in the stock exchange game.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 09:52 PM
James Carpenter just picked by Seattle and that's that "other OL" I was thinking the Pats might take at 28.

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 09:53 PM
RIP Patriots team boner #1 of 2011.

Why I didnt notice this earlier is beyond me. It'd be alot funnier if it wasnt so true. :/

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 09:56 PM
Gabe Carimi is still on the board, didn't see that coming

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 09:56 PM
Let's all collectively hope the Ravens go Jimmy Smith here to preserve some DE's.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 10:00 PM
Did the clock just run out on the ravens?

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:01 PM
What the **** guys. We just traded up? Huh? What?

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 10:03 PM
Yeah Im really confused. whats going on, im pretty sure I am not THAT drunk haha.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 10:03 PM
It's chaos. Pats get your card ready.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:03 PM
Two trades? Someone try to trade a player? Huh?

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:04 PM
The drama . . .

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 10:04 PM
KC jumps ahead of Balt who missed their pick. KC selects Jon Baldwin. Interesting.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 10:05 PM
def not a pioli (spelling) pick

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:05 PM
But they announced it as #26...on a pass they announce it at the selection they were given, I THINK. KC could have just swapped with B-More.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 10:05 PM
I love this. I take out what I said before, this just made my day good again.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:05 PM
and they said picks 27 & 28 were already in so maybe we already turned in the card, too?

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:06 PM
and they go to commercial to boot. *******

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:07 PM
Dealt #28 to the Saints.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 10:07 PM
wtf we traded the pick

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 10:08 PM
And once again I'm proven wrong and with everyone on the board we trade down. **** me...

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:08 PM
shocker

we better have their 1st

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 10:08 PM
trade details?

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:09 PM
We got their first. I'm alright with it. I'm glad we don't draft Ingram now.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:09 PM
Ok, but not great. It's not like the Saint will be cellar dwellers.

Heyward better ******* slide out of round 1.

Razor
04-28-2011, 10:10 PM
I love it....

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 10:10 PM
they got the two guys i wanted lol

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 10:10 PM
If Heyward and Wilkerson are picked today I'll give up in watching the draft tomorrow.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:11 PM
It's such a let down to not have another pick tonight.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:11 PM
One of them will be there. We put ourselves in good position to take Brooks Reed tomorrow too, possibly. I'm cool with it.

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 10:11 PM
So wait what did we get from this, secdon this year, and a first next year?

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 10:13 PM
Yeah, we got a first next year and their second tomorrow. Thank god we have the 33rd pick.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:14 PM
So wait what did we get from this, secdon this year, and a first next year?

#56 and the Saints first rounder next year. Nice, solid deal.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 10:14 PM
Woohoo now the Saints have two overrated Heisman trophy winners.

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 10:15 PM
Yeah I can live with that. Sucks we dont pick again tonight, but that is a fine ******* trade.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:15 PM
Yeah, the Saints gave us their 2nd (56?) and their 2012 1st.

I agree it puts us in good position to get the guys we may like. It just delays the torture of finding out we still won't get them tomorrow, either.

:(


they got the two guys i wanted lol

Seriously. I'd have been happy w/Jordan and then Ingram.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 10:16 PM
5 picks tomorrow............ insane. say hello to mikel leshoure

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:18 PM
Thank god though. I was sick of all these blowhards on the radio around here that didn't watch a down of Saturday football all year calling into these shows and being all "WE GOTTAH TAKHE MARHK FOCKIN INGREM. HE WON A HIGHSAMEN FOR NICK FAKHIN SABAN AND WE NEED A RUNNIN BACK".

So sick of it. Mark Ingram would have completely compromised this offense. He's a guy that needs 20+ carries a game to get going and be truly effective and he would NOT have that here. We wouldn't be able to do the things with personal and Woodhead that we like to do...and it would screw Brady up rhythm-wise a bit.


Oh, and Boston Blowhard sports accents are really hard to type.

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 10:23 PM
Colts, Bears and Cowboys got OTs... If the Pats hadn't traded down I would swear the world would end before 2012.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:24 PM
Wilkerson. Bugger.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:24 PM
So what do we have tomorrow at this point?

33
56
64
70
92

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 10:25 PM
I hate the Jets, the only thing I hate more than the Jets are the Yankees.

Razor
04-28-2011, 10:25 PM
I wanted Wilkerson. I has a sad....

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:26 PM
Heyward to Pitt

Reed to GBay



lousy way to end the evening . . .

You know it's coming.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:26 PM
Heyward to Steeltown. Damn.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:27 PM
Ouch.

One down.


Guess what the Pack's doing . . .

Jvig43
04-28-2011, 10:27 PM
God ******* dammit, Pats you better know what your doing.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 10:27 PM
worst case scenario lol

Nandoss
04-28-2011, 10:28 PM
I'm going to jump of a bridge. Bye everyone...

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:28 PM
It's cool guys. Ballard is still on the board and really isn't that much of a downgrade.

Razor
04-28-2011, 10:28 PM
Well... At least we have have the 33rd pick. Wait, what? We've traded that for a 2013 first rounder? OK.... :(

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:29 PM
We also REALLY like Kendrick Ellis, from what I hear.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 10:29 PM
I have no problem with Wilkerson to the Jets. I think he's being overrated because of the position he plays. I've said all along the Pats need an OLB more than a DE so I'm not really upset. There are no OLB's at this point in the draft worth taking. They can get a DE later that's as good as Wilkerson, imo.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:30 PM
It's cool guys. Ballard is still on the board and really isn't that much of a downgrade.

you getting a similar post ready about Brooks Reed?

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:31 PM
you getting a similar post ready about Brooks Reed?

Nope. Reed's my boy. I'll be really sad if we don't get him.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:33 PM
I don't mind the value on Ayers at 33, tbh. I didn't like either Ayers or Reed as a 1st round selection. 33 would be fine. Still gives us the chance at a DL and Hankerson @ 56 & 64.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:34 PM
I'm just not an Ayers 3-4 guy. He's an ILB for us in a similar role to Mayo. Maybe we move up one spot here for a seventh or something and take Reed. Gives the Packers more time to find a deal tomorrow.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:37 PM
Yeah, I think I'd rather get Acho later, if we can't get Reed. Ayers seems soft to me.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:38 PM
Good pick by GBay. I really started to like Sherrod as we got closer to the draft.


phew.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:38 PM
Sweating bullets a little there. Thought the Pack were going with Reed. But yeah, I'm OK with tonight. I really love Solder though. I was right on McCourty last year, so trust my track record guys ;)

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 10:38 PM
I say take Leshoure at 33 then you can still get Acho and Jenkins with the later 2nds. That's two solid front 7 defenders. And you still have 2 thirds after that for an interior OL or WR or DB.

proshoota25
04-28-2011, 10:38 PM
well it was fun talking with you guys for the draft...... but.... unfortunately i will not be happy going to bed tonight

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:41 PM
I say take Leshoure at 33 then you can still get Acho and Jenkins with the later 2nds. That's two solid front 7 defenders. And you still have 2 thirds after that for an interior OL or WR or DB.

Jarvis Jenkins? I'm not sure he's a good 3-4 fit. I think you've got to go front seven early and then find a runner later. If not Leshoure, you've still got Hunter, Jones, and Vereen(who I am quite high on) left in the late second/early third.


Oh, and don't forget Patriots team board boner #2 is still in play; Leonard Hankerson. Watch out for him at #33 tomorrow. Not saying it's a good thing, but it's possible. So is Torrey Smith.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 10:43 PM
There are no front 7 guys worth the 33 spot. Yes, I think Jenkins is a great 3-4 DE fit. He's 6'4 310, has power and quickness and can push the pocket. He's also very mobile for a guy his size. Kind of a poor man's Marcel Dareus.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:43 PM
Hankerson's my man crush. Back off mofo.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:45 PM
I would be much more comfortable with him adding some weight and playing nose. Don't see edge skills for him. More of a three technique.

Reed and Ballard would be OK with me at #33. Reed more so, but 3-4 DE is a need.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:50 PM
KJ Wright is my OLB pick for us. Round 3 (70) and that's all we get for OLB.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:51 PM
I like KJ Wright, but he's more Karlos Dansby than Clay Matthews. Nothing wrong with that, but not what the doctor ordered.

FlyingElvis
04-28-2011, 10:52 PM
I like KJ Wright, but he's more Karlos Dansby than Clay Matthews. Nothing wrong with that, but not what the doctor ordered.

I agree. Which just makes it more likely. lol

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 10:54 PM
Hahaha. Yeah. If we're talking confusing decisions, that well could be one. I still like to think we'll finally land a pass rusher though.

It's a little frustrating we didn't at least get a chance to blink on Quinn, but whatever. Solder is fairly surprising if you think about it. All that smoke out there on Jordan and Quinn...I'm not disappointed at all, big believer in Solder's talent, but it's just a little in left center.

Razor
04-28-2011, 11:05 PM
I've already got my eyes on Devin Taylor from SCAR and Donta Page-Moss from UNC next year. I want a stud OLB bad....

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 11:07 PM
Quinton Coples? You're missing a very big one.


But I'm not sold on us walking out without a pass rusher. There's plenty of talent left on the board.

Razor
04-28-2011, 11:08 PM
I think Coples is a 4-3 DE only tbh... I'm not convinced that he can play OLB for us... But he's a huge talent, my personal frontrunner for the next best prospect after Luck next year.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 11:10 PM
I'm all about Vontaze Burfict next year. I haven't had a boner this big for a pure linebacker since Patrick Willis. Don't care where he plays, just put him in there and let the murder commence. Not our type of guy though.


But it's not ever yet! We've got plenty of ammunition and plenty of names. I'm usually pissed at this point, but this year, I'm really OK!

Razor
04-28-2011, 11:12 PM
I'm all about Vontaze Burfict next year. I haven't had a boner this big for a pure linebacker since Patrick Willis. Don't care where he plays, just put him in there and let the murder commence. Not our type of guy though.


But it's not ever yet! We've got plenty of ammunition and plenty of names. I'm usually pissed at this point, but this year, I'm really OK!

Haha, that's exactly how I feel this year. I feel like we got the most of it, even though I would've liked for us to go get Quinn. I'm pretty sure that we're going to trade the 33rd pick for a first rounder or more second rounders (SD), I'll be fine with that as well. Not really many guys that I really want at 33.

I like Burfict too, but he's pretty dirty and looks like an ILB. I think we're set there...

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 11:13 PM
I really hope we stay put at take Reed. I think we feel pretty good about our core pieces...it's time to inject some upside into the mix. I'm prepared for a wide receiver first thing tomorrow too though.

Razor
04-28-2011, 11:18 PM
I'm just not sold on Reed, I'd much rather take Houston. Reed just doesn't have anything special about his game and the comparisons to Clay Mathews seem to have inflated his draft stock too much for my liking. I'd take him in the middle or the bottom of the second, but not this high. I really like Hankerson and Edmund Gates for us. Both could be deadly in our offense. And I want Kendall Hunter and Clint Bolling...

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 11:20 PM
If we're just looking for a pure pass rusher then the best one left is Justin Houston. No telling how far he'll drop after failing the drug test. I'm not that high on Reed although now that we're in the second round, it's becoming a little more reasonable to look at him than all that talk that had him in the first.

If we wait till next year, Clemson's Andre Branch is high on my list. I agree on Coples. Great player, but not sure if he fits the Pats.

Razor
04-28-2011, 11:21 PM
Nate Solder interview:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4695457/soundbites-from-nate-solder

Love this guy already.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 11:26 PM
I really don't want any part in Houston. With this much bad information out there about his character as well as scouts not liking him...just not a good thing.

Reed is a guy I've been on with Shane well before the hype train started and only like him more now that he went out there and had a good post season. I've heard from a few places that we had a first round grade on him. Wouldn't be a bad value at #33 and certainly brings plenty of ability along with him. He just strikes me as one of those guys that's such a natural 3-4 OLB fit that his game gets that much better.

We well could draft a safety at the start of tomorrow with all this business with Merri sucking and shooting people in the head. Rahim Moore is a possibility.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 11:27 PM
Nate Solder interview:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4695457/soundbites-from-nate-solder

Love this guy already.

Beat that to you in the other thread ;p

Yeah, I'm a big fan of Nate Solder the person. Perfect cultural fit for us. Interesting that the decision was based on what Dante saw on Monday. He must have really liked him a whole ton.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 11:30 PM
My point is there isn't much out there, and there wasn't even much out there at the start of the draft, if we're looking for great pass rushers. Houston, despite all the issues people may have with him, is a far better pass rusher than Reed is.

The best pass rusher on Arizona this year was Ricky Elmore. Reed would ride in and clean up the play after Elmore got there first every time. The difference is Reed is a better athlete so that's why he's rated higher. Unfortunately Elmore is a better football player. I'd rather just take him later in the draft than spend a high pick on Reed.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 11:37 PM
See, I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm a big Elmore fan too, but he has his own collection of issues. I would be thrilled to pick him up later in the draft(or Keiser)...but Reed was very effective too. Not all of his sacks were on garbage plays from Elmore. It worked the opposite way for at least three of Elmore's sacks this year. He's had some injury problems, but when he's in there he absolutely shows up. When you have two good pass rushers like that(and Arizona had three or four even) sacks become a little like RBI's and BA in baseball. Not a true indication of what is actually going on sometimes. He's a raw player for sure, but you combine what he is presently with the upside and the projection as a 3-4 OLB and you've got a good package.

Razor
04-28-2011, 11:41 PM
I'm pretty confident that we won't be picking at 33. Just look at the players available:
Da'Quan Bowers, Jimmy Smith, Ryan Mallet, Andy Dalton, Akeem Ayers... I smell a trade coming. Just imagine if we get a 2012 first and then go on to trade Mankins later for another 2012 first... That would be sweet.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 11:44 PM
That's true. I try not to sound like I hate Reed. I agree with your assessment. But I do think he's being over valued. In my opinion he should be a 3rd round pick who can play a situational role and hopefully develop into a good starting OLB. But I don't think that's what you want from a first round pick (or 33). You want someone that can be a starter or a significant contributor. I just think people will be disappointed if Reed gets drafted high and they think he's going to come in and make a noticeable difference in the team's pass rush as a rookie.

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 11:47 PM
Jimmy Smith got snapped up by Baltimore.

Bowers is in absolute FREEEEE fall. I'm not sure he goes in the third at this point. Teams feel that strongly about the medical.

Ayers isn't someone who teams are lying awake tonight thinking about taking, I don't think He's more of a "if he falls to us, cool" kind of guy.

I buy Mallet and Dalton to a certain extent. Dalton is likely coveted by teams more at this point...but who is trading up? Cinci probably feels pretty good about taking him two picks later. Buffalo has no reason to trade with us because they know we're not taking a quarterback and don't seem to be in the Dalton OR Mallet fan club. Arizona can stand put and take Mallet so long as Buffalo doesn't want him(but I don't think they even want him, they've got him already...his name is Derek Anderson).

I just don't see a real candidate for a quarterback trade at this point with four teams taking QB's in the top 12.

Nalej
04-28-2011, 11:48 PM
Put me on the Houston bandwagon. I like him over Reed.
Honestly, I'd be content if we grabbed J.Sheard.

What 5-techs are we looking at now?
Is R.Moore a possibility in the 2nd?
Interior OL is still an issue...

tommorrow should be fun

Razor
04-28-2011, 11:49 PM
Crap, I already forgot about the whole Baltimore thing. I still believe we're going to trade out, it would be very much like BB to do that.

Nalej
04-28-2011, 11:51 PM
M.Wilkerson - Ravens (Sad face)
C.Heyward - Steelers (Double sad face)

I wanted Heyward so friggin' bad. My favorite 5-tech in this draft

ElectricEye
04-28-2011, 11:52 PM
That's true. I try not to sound like I hate Reed. I agree with your assessment. But I do think he's being over valued. In my opinion he should be a 3rd round pick who can play a situational role and hopefully develop into a good starting OLB. But I don't think that's what you want from a first round pick (or 33). You want someone that can be a starter or a significant contributor. I just think people will be disappointed if Reed gets drafted high and they think he's going to come in and make a noticeable difference in the team's pass rush as a rookie.

That's where our primary difference of opinion is then haha. I don't think Reed is going to make anyone forget Clay Matthews in his first year...but what's the one skill that translates right away at the NFL level? Athleticism. Reed has a whole ton of that. You limit is responsibility and role and tell him to just get after the passer initially and you'll be able to get something out of him. Move him around, set him up in situations where the blocker is going to have to chose to block either him or the DE and let him use his speed. We really don't have anyone else on the roster who can do that right now. Tully is more of a beat you with his hands kind of guy and Cunningham is in that mold too(not to mention his issues finishing). He's a project, but recent trends suggest you can use a guys footspeed and then develop him as a complete player along the way/later.

TNPatsFan
04-28-2011, 11:54 PM
From what I was hearing the Pats weren't as high on Heyward as what some of us hoped. Seemed like a great fit but they just didn't rate him that highly.

TNPatsFan
04-29-2011, 12:00 AM
That's where our primary difference of opinion is then haha. I don't think Reed is going to make anyone forget Clay Matthews in his first year...but what's the one skill that translates right away at the NFL level? Athleticism. Reed has a whole ton of that. You limit is responsibility and role and tell him to just get after the passer initially and you'll be able to get something out of him. Move him around, set him up in situations where the blocker is going to have to chose to block either him or the DE and let him use his speed. We really don't have anyone else on the roster who can do that right now. Tully is more of a beat you with his hands kind of guy and Cunningham is in that mold too(not to mention his issues finishing). He's a project, but recent trends suggest you can use a guys footspeed and then develop him as a complete player along the way/later.

But does he really have a ton of athleticism? I think he's a good athlete but I wouldn't say he's exceptional.

Regardless, if the Pats played their OLB's that way then it would be true. They could take an athletic guy like Reed (or Adalius Thomas) and just let him loose. I always said they should do that with Thomas. Just let him go get the QB and whatever else you get is gravy. They didn't do it with Thomas so I don't know why they would do it with Reed. It's just not the way BB likes to play his OLB's.

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 12:04 AM
But does he really have a ton of athleticism? I think he's a good athlete but I wouldn't say he's exceptional. Regardless, if the Pats played their OLB's that way then it would be true. They could take an athletic guy like Reed (or Adalius Thomas) and just let him loose. I always said they should do that with Thomas. Just let him go get the QB and whatever else you get is gravy. They didn't do it with Thomas so I don't know why they would do it with Reed. It's just not the way BB likes to play his OLB's.

I think he does. 4.6 with a good 10 yard for a 260+ pound guy is pretty damn good. His lifting numbers are pretty insane too. That's not the way we like to play our guys, but that's the thing with Reed; we don't have to. He moves so well laterally that he's not going to be a liability against the run and projects well to being good in zone situations. Not an every down player right away, but he doesn't need to be. We're never going to find this ideal player the team is searching for. It would be a mistake to pass on a guy like Reed and not use him the way every other team would. BB might be the smartest guy in the room, but sometimes he tries to be too smart.



The late book on Thomas was supposedly that he needed to be put in such weird spots to be successful that it really wasn't worth it. Baltimore was made to look like geniuses and Thomas painted as a versatile guy...while really they were hiding his massive limitations. The reps at safety? Likely only on running downs when the blocking was going to his side, ect.

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 12:29 AM
http://www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=VideoNewsdetail&pid=48278&pcid=155

BB presser is up for my fellow insomniacs.

nepg
04-29-2011, 12:31 AM
KJ Wright is my OLB pick for us. Round 3 (70) and that's all we get for OLB.

He's not an OLB though...certainly not for the Pats. He'd be an ILB.

I think they really like Rick Elmore.

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 12:36 AM
From the presser;
BB on Solder

"He played left tackle and that will be his position in the NFL."

Interesting.

Nandoss
04-29-2011, 01:42 AM
M.Wilkerson - JETS (too angry to care face)
C.Heyward - Steelers (Double sad face)

I wanted Heyward so friggin' bad. My favorite 5-tech in this draft

After watching again some videos on the pass rushers still available if we don't get Houston we'll have to overpay a free agent for it. The next best rusher for me would be Sheard and he is average at best.

I would love Heyward and Wilkerson because of the fit, they'd be great here and it would be great value at 28. Just hope we get Houston a RB and either an OG or WR in the second.

TNPatsFan
04-29-2011, 07:22 AM
I almost think they should trade back from 33. The guys I would take at 33 are Leshoure, Austin, Dowling, or maybe a WR like Hankerson or Smith. No other names really jump out at me here so if not one of them then a trade back to the 35-45 range makes sense.

Matthew Jones
04-29-2011, 08:00 AM
I'd like to trade 33 for a 2012 1st and maybe a second or third round pick in this year's draft similar to the Ingram trade. If we were forced to stay put and select someone, I'd take Brandon Harris.

RWills
04-29-2011, 08:16 AM
Reed or Sheard please, I think they can get Ryan Williams or Mikel Leshoure with (NO's)pick

Don Vito
04-29-2011, 08:19 AM
I am happy we locked up our bookends with Solder, that was a good move. I am not happy that we still haven't drafted help for our front 7. I understand why we are not taking Bowers but we really need an OLB and a DE. Let's just keep trading back to next year every ******* year. It really is getting ***.

Nalej
04-29-2011, 08:56 AM
It's only been one round. I'm content with the first round.
Our bookends are set and I think we got great value for the 28th pick
Three picks in the 2nd now. I really hope we go BPA or address front seven.
A combination of the two would be awesome

I think J.Houston is a steal at this point.
Scott had his going to us in the third in his last mock
hmmmmm

Matthew Jones
04-29-2011, 09:01 AM
I'm hoping for something like:

#33 for 2012 1st and late second/early third this year a la ingram

56. OG Rodney Hudson, Florida St.

60. FS Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson

L2/E3. C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn St.

74. DE Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson

92. LB Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh

nepg
04-29-2011, 09:20 AM
I hate that they went with Solder over Castonzo and Sherrod (or Carimi). We can't complain about them not drafting guys that were falling or complain about "value" because we should all know by now how this team works. They take the guy they want when they can get him. The only thing we can really complain about is them wanting the guy they wanted.

I'm pretty sure they would have waited to draft Solder at 28, but wanted Pouncey at 17. Once Pouncey was gone, they just took their 28 man at 17 and traded 28.

I'm sure it will work out, though. Solder probably won't have to play right away...he'll probably get the same treatment Vollmer got.

FlyingElvis
04-29-2011, 09:28 AM
I'm hoping for something like:

#33 for 2012 1st and late second/early third this year a la ingram

56. OG Rodney Hudson, Florida St.

60. FS Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson

L2/E3. C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn St.

74. DE Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson

92. LB Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh

I like the idea of Jenkins and Romeus late. Just make that top end Reed, Hankerson and Hudson and let's make it happen!

RWills
04-29-2011, 09:31 AM
You think Solder would still be the board. No way look at all the tackles that went. It made the pick VERY justified because there ar eno more LT's in this draft. Solder has as high as a ceiling as Smith and was considered top 10 pick before Colorado's disaster coaching effort.

Im excited yet so impatiently frustrated that year after year we pass on the defensive front 7 prospects.

Nalej
04-29-2011, 09:32 AM
I liked Solder > Castz, Carimi and Sherrod so I liked the pick
I think Castz was just a "safe" pick. Not necesserily the "best" pick
if that makes any sense

RWills
04-29-2011, 09:34 AM
I'm hoping for something like:

#33 for 2012 1st and late second/early third this year a la ingram

56. OG Rodney Hudson, Florida St.

60. FS Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson

L2/E3. C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn St.

74. DE Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson

92. LB Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh

Would love this, Hudson would be a top 25 pick if he was 10 pouns heavier and 2 inches taller

I have had a prospect crush on Gilchrist for a goof 8 months now. awesome tackler, great head on his shoulder, long arms,very football smart

Wis wouldn't be needed with Hudson, I also worry about his anchor strength

Jenkins is the LAST 5-tech in this draft IMO. Lunch pal player

Romeus has the size and resume, his back bothers me and heard he isn't so savy for football smart, still could take a chance at that point.

Year after year we miss out on explosion

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 09:55 AM
I wouldn't mind drafting Romeus...I just wouldn't want to pin all of our pass rush hopes on him. He's not the most natural fit at OLB in the first place and combine that with the injury issues...I really hope we take someone earlier.


As far as Hudson goes, I've never been blown away with him like some have. He looked very average against good competition at the Senior Bowl and supposedly was out of shape too. Might not have the frame or ability to put on the extra weight he'll need to play in the NFL. Our problem has been getting pushed around and bullied by NT's on the interior and I don't think he does anything to change or upgrade that. I would prefer to draft Wisniewski over him first to be honest with you.

BB has some interesting quotes on Solder from that press conference. He expects him to play right away(something he never says) as well as be a LT.

Jvig43
04-29-2011, 11:01 AM
I'd like to trade 33 for a 2012 1st and maybe a second or third round pick in this year's draft similar to the Ingram trade. If we were forced to stay put and select someone, I'd take Brandon Harris.

Yes, I agree. Was just saying that to my roommate this morning, I feel as tho we could certainly trade this pick for a 2012 1st.

Jvig43
04-29-2011, 11:05 AM
I wouldn't mind drafting Romeus...I just wouldn't want to pin all of our pass rush hopes on him. He's not the most natural fit at OLB in the first place and combine that with the injury issues...I really hope we take someone earlier.


As far as Hudson goes, I've never been blown away with him like some have. He looked very average against good competition at the Senior Bowl and supposedly was out of shape too. Might not have the frame or ability to put on the extra weight he'll need to play in the NFL. Our problem has been getting pushed around and bullied by NT's on the interior and I don't think he does anything to change or upgrade that. I would prefer to draft Wisniewski over him first to be honest with you.

BB has some interesting quotes on Solder from that press conference. He expects him to play right away(something he never says) as well as be a LT.

lol wut? Solder has so much that needs to be worked on, he plays way too high, and gets pushed around by good pass rushers because of it. Do they expect to get him ready for NFL rushers with no rookie camps?

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 11:07 AM
I'm still hoping we stand on the pick and find some help for the front seven. Reed is the only one who is really worth taking in that spot, but I'm higher on Ballard than some people as well....but I doubt the team likes him very much.

Aaron Williams could be a sneaky possibility too with the Merri situation.

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 11:13 AM
lol wut? Solder has so much that needs to be worked on, he plays way too high, and gets pushed around by good pass rushers because of it. Do they expect to get him ready for NFL rushers with no rookie camps?

I'm not so sure the team agrees with you on that...nor am I so sure about it either. Solder only gave up 15 pressures the past two years despite his "massive issues". He was a real good player at the college level who got abused by Cam Jordan and put on youtube. Now, that's not to say I don't think he has his fair share of issues. He had an up and down Senior Bowl where he showed that he has some issues firing out of his stance...but this is a guy with a whole ton of upside. He's one of those rare guys who will be able to get by on athletic ability initially while he develops his body and technique. I imagine he'll come into camp at around 325 pounds too with the training program and such...and could be even bigger with an NFL Nutrition program. That extra weight could go a long way to helping him have early success.


NFL Network guys are talking up Little as a possibility for us now. Personally, I don't see it at the top of the second...but as the round moves down, I suppose it's possible. I'm not the biggest Little guy in world either. He obviously has some talent, but he never actually put it together at the college level. Lot's of upside there though and his projection is just what we need.

Jvig43
04-29-2011, 11:21 AM
I completely agree that is upside is huge, certainly agree with you on that EE. From watching film however, he got by by simply being huge and playing way to tall. He plays practically standing up which is something you fix when your like in high school haha. I'm not saying he wont pan out, I just don't see what BB sees about starting him day one. But than again, the reason BB is how good he is is because he sees that **** and we dont so I'll just trust it.

SRogers92
04-29-2011, 12:40 PM
FWIW, he looked pretty bad at the Senior Bowl. I didn't think Solder would go in Round 1.... shocked the Patriots took him.

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 12:50 PM
I still disagree with that, not even by homer motivations either. He had a rough first day, but came back the next few and absolutely stone walled Kerrigan a few times. Not a great week, but I don't think he struggled or labored really.

I know I'm in the minority on Solder though. I've been very high on him for awhile now after having some of the same initial doubts some of you guys had.

Don Vito
04-29-2011, 01:13 PM
I just don't understand why trade for another 2012 first. We already have two and we are only going to use one. I like what we did with the Saints I guess but I see no need to pick up another 2012 first round pick, especially with 33. 33 is essentially a first round pick but you're paying second round money.

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 01:14 PM
Interesting nugget on Solder; apparently he led the nation in knockdowns this year with 142. I'm not sure who keeps track of that stat or how accurate it is, but it's still interesting. He also only allowed one sack this year and three pressures. This is coming from a guy who played every single snap for a really bad Colorado team.


I just don't understand why trade for another 2012 first. We already have two and we are only going to use one. I like what we did with the Saints I guess but I see no need to pick up another 2012 first round pick, especially with 33. 33 is essentially a first round pick but you're paying second round money.

I'm totally with you man. If there's a player we think is worth it at that spot I can't see use not using it. More picks are always nice and lord knows we love'em...but I would much prefer to stand pat and make a selection.

descendency
04-29-2011, 01:37 PM
Here's why the Patriots robbed the Saints:

1) We didn't want Ingram (or we wouldn't have traded out).
2) We didn't want Sherrod (Solder)
3) We didn't want Carimi (Solder).

The only two players we may have missed on are Heyward and Wilkerson. Wilkerson played at Temple. God only knows what will happen when he hits the NFL. Heyward's motor is inconsistent, but I don't love missing on either.

That said, we just got a 1st and a 2nd to pass on those 5 players. That's rape.

edit: I am completely prepared to trade down to let someone have the 33rd pick and recoup a 2nd rounder next year or even a first. I really think a 1st next year and a high to mid 3rd is a possibility. Maybe a team like Carolina tries to traded into round 2 giving up their first. . .

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 01:43 PM
I'm so happy about not having Mark Ingram. So, so, so very happy. All of the idiots on WEEI calling in today are pissed off about it, so I'm pretty damn sure it's the right move. Why anyone legit thought we should use a first round pick on 1200 yard a year RB when you can find that production for dirt cheap later is beyond me. Especially given that the Woodhead BJGE combo was very effective last you and you basically compromise all of that by taking a guy you need to feed the ball. Ingram isn't an upgrade over those two put together...he's downgrade.

I would much rather get guys on the inside who can actually run block, which this deal set us up to do. Better blocking means more production for Woodhead and Lawfirm....which is better collective production than Mark Ingram. Makes so much more sense.

But yeah, really, if any of you in the area have the time, turn on the radio today. People are crying. Even worse is people suggesting that we should take Bowers to play DE....which shows a complete lack of understanding about what you look for in a 3-4 DE.

RWills
04-29-2011, 01:56 PM
agreed, his lack of break away speed and nicks in college scream Moreno to me. I would love Leshore who basically never fumbled and is bigger, I love thick legs for RBs and Leshore has got them. Ryan Williams reminds me on MJD, nto timed great, but tough inside slant cut runner who can break it.

If non of those, then just wait till rounds 4-5 for Helu, Alex Green or Steven Ridley

nepg
04-29-2011, 01:57 PM
I didn't think there was any potential for the Pats to draft Ingram...

I'd like Brooks Reed with 33, but they also seem to like Rick Elmore, who they can pull the trigger on later in the second or in the early third. I wouldn't be the least bit dissatisfied with trading 33 for a 2012 first round pick and a 3rd this year or a 2nd and another 2nd in 2012.

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 02:08 PM
agreed, his lack of break away speed and nicks in college scream Moreno to me. I would love Leshore who basically never fumbled and is bigger, I love thick legs for RBs and Leshore has got them. Ryan Williams reminds me on MJD, nto timed great, but tough inside slant cut runner who can break it.

If non of those, then just wait till rounds 4-5 for Helu, Alex Green or Steven Ridley

MJD DID time quite well. Ran 4.3 something coming out. Think it was 4.37 off the top of my head.

I've got the exact same thoughts on Williams that I have on Ingram. A bit of a different player and can have more of that "snap" production we need, but I still prefer what we have now and more blocking to taking him.

If we're going to take a runner, I hope it's after the second round and we take care of the front seven and the interior first. Some guys I like after the second;

Taiwan Jones
Undersized and not physically ready for the NFL, but considering that RB is basically a luxury pick for us anyway, I think this would be a good one. Has the frame to add additional weight and get stronger with keeping his speed and a lot of potential because of his speed.

Shane Vereen
Ideal one for me. Very fast and athletic with a complete all around skillset. Not the kind of guy who needs a whole ton of carries to get going. Fits the offense perfectly with his ability to catch out of the backfield and block consistently. Really under the radar right now for some reason, but I can honestly see him being a 1500+ total yard guy in the NFL with good blocking skills. That's exactly what we need going forward.

Roy Helu
Straight line speed guy who doesn't play up to his size, but the talent is obviously there and was fairly productive throughout his career at Nebraska. Good developmental guy.

Jay
04-29-2011, 03:23 PM
I am pretty sure Nate Solder's game against Cal was the worst of his career. The fact that it was Jordan that had a good day against him is coincidence. The guy is allowed to have a bad day. He's a kid.

I was all about Jordan, but I am sold on Solder. It's not a matter of could be, he will be the best tackle from this draft. He only has three years at the position, incredible athletic ability for a guy his size... like, freakish ability, and he comes to one of the best position coaches in the league. He couldn't have walked into a better opportunity.

If Light stays another year, the kid gets to learn on the job and not worry about being rushed. If Light doesn't, then he gets valuable reps. No lose.

We needed OLine in this draft. We still have a ton of picks to go. We get a free second round pick for extending our first to next year... AND we still got to take a premier player in the first. No matter how you slice it, it is a major win.

Today they are probably going to trade back from 33. Probably not far, but enough to get the guy they would have taken anyway while potentially adding a chip to move up from one of their late seconds. This is what they do, and they are the best at it. Defensive line is the strength of this draft, while the offensive line is a bit top heavy.

Running back is the last thing they need. Law Firm is sufficient, Woodhead is a change of pace and there will be plenty of veteran fodder to sift through.

We all knew 28 or 33 was turning into a later pick along with making a pick in 2012 magically appear. I am pretty willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt, especially after what they were able to do last year. There are still plenty of outstanding players there ripe for the picking.

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 03:26 PM
We finished 9th last year in rushing...better than both of the teams that won the Super Bowl. None of the top rushing guys last year went all that deep into the playoffs. We've got an effective running game and there's zero reason to mess than up.

BradysKnee
04-29-2011, 03:26 PM
I am pretty sure Nate Solder's game against Cal was the worst of his career. The fact that it was Jordan that had a good day against him is coincidence. The guy is allowed to have a bad day. He's a kid.

I was all about Jordan, but I am sold on Solder. It's not a matter of could be, he will be the best tackle from this draft. He only has three years at the position, incredible athletic ability for a guy his size... like, freakish ability, and he comes to one of the best position coaches in the league. He couldn't have walked into a better opportunity.

If Light stays another year, the kid gets to learn on the job and not worry about being rushed. If Light doesn't, then he gets valuable reps. No lose.

We needed OLine in this draft. We still have a ton of picks to go. We get a free second round pick for extending our first to next year... AND we still got to take a premier player in the first. No matter how you slice it, it is a major win.

Today they are probably going to trade back from 33. Probably not far, but enough to get the guy they would have taken anyway while potentially adding a chip to move up from one of their late seconds. This is what they do, and they are the best at it. Defensive line is the strength of this draft, while the offensive line is a bit top heavy.

Running back is the last thing they need. Law Firm is sufficient, Woodhead is a change of pace and there will be plenty of veteran fodder to sift through.

We all knew 28 or 33 was turning into a later pick along with making a pick in 2012 magically appear. I am pretty willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt, especially after what they were able to do last year. There are still plenty of outstanding players there ripe for the picking.

This whole bit reminds me of Vollmer. Questioned pick, but if there is anyone I've learned not to doubt its Dante Scarneccia. That guy turns street offensive linemen into guys you can get by with.

He'll do fine with Solder. It's great to have 2 bookends for the foreseeable future.

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 03:27 PM
Sets up a possible transition from Brady to another quarterback better than drafting another quarterback would, even. Really is a very solid thing to do as an organization and the kid has talent oozing out of his eyeballs.

Don Vito
04-29-2011, 04:13 PM
Solder has the potential to be an amazing tackle for us and I am sure Dante will get the best out of him. Brooks Reed is the guy I am hoping for at 33, today is going to be fun.

Nandoss
04-29-2011, 04:28 PM
Solder has the potential to be an amazing tackle for us and I am sure Dante will get the best out of him. Brooks Reed is the guy I am hoping for at 33, today is going to be fun.

Just thinking that we'll have Solder and Vollmer holding down the fort for the foreseeable future is great. That not only extends Brady's career but also guarantees his replacement will have great protection from experienced tackles. All we need in this draft and the next one is to rebuild the interior of our OL.

I'm not a big Reed guy, but as long as they get a pass rusher that's an upgrade to what we have I'm fine.

The trade was a great value, specially since the Saints might be picking 20th or lower if the Falcons remain great and the Buccaneers improve on their last season. But I though Heyward and Wilkerson were great values at 28 and either of them could start immediately and become a great DE for us for years. It's not the end of the world because as I said before it's not a great need position. I'm sure they'll get great value with whoever they pick, that's just what BB does.

Nandoss
04-29-2011, 05:10 PM
BB must hate me. That's the last guy I wanted and the last position I wanted.

ElectricEye
04-29-2011, 05:11 PM
Dowling! I really like this. Can play corner or safety for us.

Nandoss
04-29-2011, 05:12 PM
Dowling! I really like this. Can play corner or safety for us.

If he plays safety I'm fine with it, because it means Merriweather is out.

proshoota25
04-29-2011, 05:12 PM
solid pick.... i like aaron williams and brandon harris better.... but i do like dowling.... big kid

proshoota25
04-29-2011, 05:13 PM
def was a BB pick, versatility, good instincts, fast, maybe a reach but could be underrated.... typical NE picks

TNPatsFan
04-29-2011, 05:15 PM
Dowling's a great pick. And they still have four picks tonight to get front 7 players and an interior OL.