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Complex
05-07-2011, 12:49 PM
Ohio State's big fear throughout this process is that something else would come to light, another layer that could bring more trouble.

It might have just arrived.

The Columbus Dispatch reports Saturday that Ohio State will investigate used-car purchases made by dozens of Buckeyes players at two Columbus-area dealerships. According to the newspaper, the school investigation will examine at least 50 sales to both Ohio State players and their relatives to see if any improper benefits were provided.

Ohio State compliance director Doug Archie told The Dispatch, "I have nothing to believe a violation has occurred." Archie also said that he was aware of all the players' car purchases but not those made by their relatives.
NCAA rules don't prohibit athletes from shopping at the same stores, eating at the same restaurants or buying cars at the same dealerships. The rules prohibit athletes and their relatives from receiving discounts that are not offered to the general public.

Some nuggets from the story:
Both dealerships call Ohio State's compliance office when athletes are buying cars and provide purchase prices and loan information. Ohio State will occasionally check purchase prices against the Kelley Blue Book values.
Public records show that in 2009, a 2-year-old Chrysler 300 with less than 20,000 miles was titled to then-sophomore linebacker Thaddeus Gibson. Documents show the purchase price as $0. ... Gibson said he was unaware the title on his car showed zero as the sales price. "I paid for the car, and I'm still paying for it," he said, declining to answer further questions.
A salesman who worked at both dealerships, Aaron Kniffin, and one of the dealership owners, Jason Goss, attended seven football games as guests of players, including the 2007 BCS National Championship game and the 2009 Fiesta Bowl. After the 2008 season, Archie removed Kniffin from the players' guest list because Ohio State doesn't allow those who do business with the players to be on the list.
Two former NCAA enforcement officials, who spoke to The Dispatch on the condition of anonymity, said there's cause for concern. The two collectively have decades of NCAA compliance experience. Neither had ever heard of so many athletes buying cars from the same salesman.
Officials at two national car-valuation companies -- National Automobile Dealers Association and Kelley Blue Book -- were asked by The Dispatch to estimate the value of the cars at the time of purchase. The values they estimated were higher than the price paid in nearly half of the transactions. However, they said it's difficult to accurately evaluate the sales without seeing the vehicles to assess condition and options.
Among the players who bought cars from the dealerships are quarterback Terrelle Pryor, running back Dan Herron, wide receiver DeVier Posey, Buckeyes basketball player William Buford and former running back Chris Wells. Cars also have been sold to Pryor's mother and brother and Herron's father, and Pryor also received loaner cars from Kniffin.
Kniffin told The Dispatch that the sales prices for the cars were much higher than what is listed on state motor-vehicle records. Goss disputed that claim.
Kniffin, who said he is not an OSU fan, has had financial problems since 2006. He now owes more than $130,000 to the IRS, and his $570,000 Delaware County home is in foreclosure.
Kniffin told The Dispatch that he has sold cars to at least four dozen OSU athletes and their relatives, that the OSU compliance staff directed them to him, and that university officials reviewed all documents before sales were final. Archie said that he has spoken to Kniffin only once, never reviews sales documents and has not directed players to any dealerships.

There's a lot of smoke here for Ohio State at a very bad time. Archie plans to look at the transactions and work with the Big Ten during the investigation. But this could once again open things up to the NCAA, which recently has spent a lot of time in Columbus.

Some folks close to the Buckeyes program told me in March that players' cars could be the next issue, especially if the NCAA began digging. The Dispatch report has to be on the radar in Indianapolis, and it'll be interesting to see how this process unfolds.

Tressel isn't mentioned in The Dispatch report, but there will be questions asked about what he or other Buckeyes coaches knew of these transactions.

LINK (http://espn.go.com/blog/BigTen/post/_/id/26367/players-car-deals-new-layer-to-osu-saga)

StickSkills
05-07-2011, 04:04 PM
Really not surprised.

Some people have wondered if Kiffin will save his own *** from criminal charges and say the $0 purchase price was correct and the documents submitted to the state were accurate? Or will he cover for OSU and say Gibson actually bought the car but he sent in false documents showing a $0 purchase price. Interesting decision he has to make.

Personally, he might have no choice, because if he saves himself from criminal charges, he might have trouble getting out of Columbus.

niel89
05-07-2011, 04:47 PM
There are always a ton of other stuff like this going on, all you have to do is start looking.

fenikz
05-07-2011, 05:19 PM
they better get at least the punishment that USC got and probably a lot more if it was actually 50+ cars

phlysac
05-07-2011, 06:15 PM
Too bad noone listened to Maurice Clarett when he threatened to start naming violations. This investigation could've started weeding through this mess years ago.

I did find it funny that, while watching Pawn Stars, a guy was trying to sell "Golden Pants" that he had gotten from Doug Worthington and others.

CrankthatCrabtree
05-07-2011, 10:48 PM
This is ******* awesome. Can you say biggest cheaters in CFB?

Hurricanes25
05-07-2011, 10:58 PM
Jim Tressel's seat is getting hot.

SickwithIt1010
05-07-2011, 11:54 PM
they better get at least the punishment that USC got and probably a lot more if it was actually 50+ cars

at the rate they are going, it better be more than what we got.

descendency
05-08-2011, 12:40 AM
at the rate they are going, it better be more than what we got.

Breaking News: FBI investigators find naked pictures of NCAA President Mark Emmert operating farm equipment found in Jim Tressel's closet.

yes, this is a joke

SickwithIt1010
05-08-2011, 01:11 AM
Breaking News: FBI investigators find naked pictures of NCAA President Mark Emmert operating farm equipment found in Jim Tressel's closet.

yes, this is a joke

was i suppose to laugh?

Silver & Blue
05-08-2011, 01:45 AM
Jim Tressel's seat is getting hot.

It was already hot months ago, it is about to be on fire. The worse thing about this is that it seems like OSU won't even fire Tressel until it is too late. But it is looking like this could end up being worse then USC's punishment, especially if this goes deeper.

JoeJoeBrown
05-08-2011, 08:56 PM
I want JT fired. Yesterday.

descendency
05-08-2011, 10:28 PM
was i suppose to laugh?

Nah. I was just conjecturing why OSU hasn't been hammered yet. I thought I picked the obvious one.

SickwithIt1010
05-08-2011, 10:48 PM
I want JT fired. Yesterday.

Well Urban isnt coaching for a while, who you want?

JoeJoeBrown
05-08-2011, 11:45 PM
Well Urban isnt coaching for a while, who you want?

No idea at this point. With the off the field issues that Urban had at UF, I'm not sure if he'd be the right hire from a PR point at this time. I'd love to have him as the HC, but I doubt if he'd even be up for it at this time in his life. Going from the pressures of UF to the pressures of OSU would like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

I think JT is going to stick around until the poo really hits the fan. I doubt if he retires. He is going to make them fire him.

OTOH, I doubt if this car thing isn't as big as it's being made out to be. It may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, but it almost all seems shady yet aboveboard.

I don't think any major university wants investigators looking into the rides and bling that their players have.

CrankthatCrabtree
05-09-2011, 12:18 AM
I just think the thing this whole thing taught us is that tOSU is EXACTLY like every other succesful program in CFB. All that BS the school and their fans spew about "shaping young men yadda yadda yadda" is just absolute horse ****. tOSU is at the bottom of the barrel to be completely honest.

fenikz
05-09-2011, 03:12 AM
no they aren't like every school in the NCAA, to lump in every school with cheaters like them is just dumb

CrankthatCrabtree
05-09-2011, 06:26 AM
Well, I said succesful program.

fear the elf
05-09-2011, 03:13 PM
Well, I said succesful program.

LULz. Only a handful of other schools have been more successful in recent history.

Seriously though, it's too bad Tressel had to fall off his high horse. He's destroyed his entire persona and taken the entire program and school reputation down with him.

I used to be able to say I was proud to be a an OSU grad, now it's getting pretty tough.

phlysac
05-09-2011, 03:20 PM
Seriously though, it's too bad Tressel had to fall off his high horse. He's destroyed his entire persona and taken the entire program and school reputation down with him.


That's the irony. Youngstown State seriously questions how Tressel got the "reputation" in the first place.

fear the elf
05-09-2011, 03:28 PM
True. Well however he got it, he played it up well, for as long as possible. Now not living up to it is going to cost him his job along with some major sanctions for OSU.

JoeJoeBrown
05-09-2011, 03:30 PM
That's the irony. Youngstown State seriously questions how Tressel got the "reputation" in the first place.

And as a 49ers fan, you completely understand what kind of shady activity comes from Y-Town.

I never understood the persona either. He seems like a good enough guy, but is a politician in that he has mastered how to say nothing and keep everything in house.

On the development side of things, he seems to promote and emphasize good character in players, but in the end, he turns his head from the wrongdoings and tries to bury it when he sniffs it out. Not the kind of role model these kids need.

This LSUFreek gif cracks me up.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/jcpennington/cargate_columbus.gif

phlysac
05-09-2011, 04:07 PM
And as a 49ers fan, you completely understand what kind of shady activity comes from Y-Town.

Not even as a 49ers fan. I have several family in Austintown, OH. My cousin's grandmother was friends with DeBartolo,Sr. and went to the same highschool as Carmen Policy (Ursiline). Its because of my cousin I became of fan of the 49ers in 1983. I won't say that the city propogates shady behavior but I get your jest.

Quite aware. Youngstown ftw! :P

JoeJoeBrown
05-09-2011, 04:44 PM
Not even as a 49ers fan. I have several family in Austintown, OH. My cousin's grandmother was friends with DeBartolo,Sr. and went to the same highschool as Carmen Policy (Ursiline). Its because of my cousin I became of fan of the 49ers in 1983. I won't say that the city propogates shady behavior but I get your jest.

Quite aware. Youngstown ftw! :P

Y-Town, and to a lesser extent, Northeast Ahia in general, has huge issues with corruption. I'll leave to the reader to interpret that.

I am generalizing and not trying to denigrate the whole region, but if you are a power player from Y-Town, then you likely have some dirt on you. I know plenty of great people from the area, but it's a hard knocks place.

BTW, Austintown has some good football.

Shane P. Hallam
05-09-2011, 05:59 PM
Dorian Bell transferring to Pitt apparently.

Shane P. Hallam
05-11-2011, 07:24 AM
Dispatch corrected their story. Car was not purchased for $0, It was purchased for over $13,000.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/05/11/older-title-shows-player-paid-13700-for-his-car.html?sid=101

JoeJoeBrown
05-11-2011, 10:22 AM
Dispatch corrected their story. Car was not purchased for $0, It was purchased for over $13,000.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/05/11/older-title-shows-player-paid-13700-for-his-car.html?sid=101

LOL just about to post that :)

The car-gate will blow over. I'm sure all media outlets will retract their horseshit rumor mongering by the talking heads.

The latest rumor (actually, it's been rehashed a billion times) is that there was a player in a point shaving scheme in the mid-2000s. It may be true... Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole team point shaved against Florida :)

Point is, there is a lot of digging going on at OSU right now. I can't wait for that to end and the lens be pointed elsewhere. Oh, and for JT to be fired.

phlysac
05-12-2011, 11:20 PM
Dorian Bell transferring to Pitt apparently.

Looking unlikely.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2600779&#post2600779

Gateway's Dorian Bell...allegedly considering a transfer to Pitt, though it sounds like Bell is a lot closer to a decision (it sounds to me like he could be staying in Columbus, or at least wants to stay Columbus, though he is currently suspended from the team)
http://blogs.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/pitt-redshirt-diaries

Sloopy
05-23-2011, 12:50 PM
no they aren't like every school in the NCAA, to lump in every school with cheaters like them is just dumb

Cheating would imply some sort of breaking of rules to gain an advantage over the competition, I hardly believe that selling of memorabilia or receiving free cars helped us in anyway on the field.

If you mean we received unfair benefits... Your right, student athletes at schools across the country and at every level of competition don't receive special treatment in anyway especially at the lower levels where the NCAA doesn't give a crap.

Come on man I know you don't believe that. Either that or you've never been in a class with a student athlete. Even at my tiny D-III school student athletes receive A's in classes they've never attended. I know thats not on the same level as a car but to be honest with you receiving a pass at my school in all your classes is about $35,000 a year worth of benefits.

niel89
05-23-2011, 03:49 PM
The advantage is that all these "extra" benefits attract more talented players. Do you play for some team or the one where you can get a free car? If made no difference, there wouldn't be rules against it.

The stuff I've personally heard about at OSU is players getting free/super cheap car payements, free tattoos, and selling personal tickets.

j05son
05-24-2011, 09:40 AM
Cheating would imply some sort of breaking of rules to gain an advantage over the competition, I hardly believe that selling of memorabilia or receiving free cars helped us in anyway on the field.

If you mean we received unfair benefits... Your right, student athletes at schools across the country and at every level of competition don't receive special treatment in anyway especially at the lower levels where the NCAA doesn't give a crap.

Come on man I know you don't believe that. Either that or you've never been in a class with a student athlete. Even at my tiny D-III school student athletes receive A's in classes they've never attended. I know thats not on the same level as a car but to be honest with you receiving a pass at my school in all your classes is about $35,000 a year worth of benefits.

I know a few people who received athletic, I mean "academic" scholarships for DIII Mount Union.