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shylo3716
05-14-2011, 02:46 PM
Cliff is not an underrated prospect at all. Some rate him the #2 CB in this years Draft class, which speaks volumes, because that puts him ahead of Stephon Gilmore. A plus with Harris is that he can help out in the return game. The major negative I see when I look at him is, he is on the frail side in a Kelly Jennings mold. Some list him at 5'11'' 180 which is generous, because he looks to be on the 165lb. side.

2011 — Clocked 4.79 seconds in the electronic 40-yard (third amongst defensive backs) during winter conditioning.

http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=204782074

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1113/ncf_u_harris_cliff_mbl_600.jpg

TACKLE
05-14-2011, 03:09 PM
4.79 :o

impressive.

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 03:10 PM
4.79 :o

impressive.

I scratched my head too!

Caulibflower
05-14-2011, 03:17 PM
A 170 lb corner who runs a 4.8? Um... Pass.


EDIT: I see a high school combine time for 4.60 via scout.com. I had to look it up, because I can hardly believe that he'd be that slow. Where are you getting that 4.79?

RaiderNation
05-14-2011, 03:20 PM
I had to take a second glance at the 40 time. I thought he would atleast run around a 4.5.

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 03:21 PM
He has to be very very elusive as a return man, 4.79 is a Big SMDH & face palm for those who are high on him as a top CB prospect.

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 03:27 PM
A 170 lb corner who runs a 4.8? Um... Pass.


EDIT: I see a high school combine time for 4.60 via scout.com. I had to look it up, because I can hardly believe that he'd be that slow. Where are you getting that 4.79?

Player Bio from the school website.

http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=204782074

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 03:29 PM
4.79 is something the school should not have posted, especially since he is their best CB prospect. This will hurt his stock, I expect Gilmore to be back ahead now.

CashmoneyDrew
05-14-2011, 04:03 PM
There's no way that time is an accurate reflection of his speed.

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 04:07 PM
There's no way that time is an accurate reflection of his speed.

I posted the link

BamaFalcon59
05-14-2011, 04:11 PM
Obviously something is fishy with that time. There is no way that Oregon has only two defensive backs that run sub-4.79.

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 04:12 PM
Obviously something is fishy with that time. There is no way that Oregon has two defensive backs that run sub-4.79.

Who is the other? Link us please

Caulibflower
05-14-2011, 04:16 PM
I wonder if that's a typo. If someone entered it on the number pad, 7 is right above 4... I can see a 4.49 being the third fastest among defensive backs, but not a 4.79. Not at Oregon. That's just not right. And I think someone putting together profile pages for a school that just played in the national championship would have to know that a 4.79 is not something worthy of posting in a player's bio. I think I'm just going to go ahead and assume that time is wrong.

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 04:18 PM
Has to be accurate for Harris.

College Football Live even spoke on LaMichael James the other day & here is his numbers from the school site.

2011 — Led all running backs on squat (465 pounds), bench press (295 pounds), electronic 20-yard (2.68 seconds), fly 30 (2.85 seconds) and electronic 40-yard (4.59 seconds) during winter conditioning

Caulibflower
05-14-2011, 04:20 PM
Who is the other? Link us please

The page says "third fastest," meaning there are only two others who timed faster than Cliff, which would mean they are "sub-4.79." That's really slow... so that other post is a joke. Really not buying that only three members of Oregon's secondary can break 4.8. That's what you'd find on a high school team.

BamaFalcon59
05-14-2011, 04:21 PM
Your link said that his 4.79 would be third among Oregon DBs...

That means only two Oregon DBs run under 4.79.

Which is false.

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 04:23 PM
Your link said that his 4.79 would be third among Oregon DBs...

That means only two Oregon DBs run under 4.79.

Which is false.

Well I did not make it up. I'm just relaying what was posted in fine print.

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 04:27 PM
Me personally I still would take a look at him. He is good zone corner IMO which he showed in the Aubrun game.

CashmoneyDrew
05-14-2011, 04:38 PM
I posted the link

OK? That has nothing to do with what I said.

Well I did not make it up. I'm just relaying what was posted in fine print.

No one is accusing you of making this up. We're saying there's something wrong with the report.

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 04:46 PM
OK? That has nothing to do with what I said.



No one is accusing you of making this up. We're saying there's something wrong with the report.

Hopefully Scott or Shane sees this & can help clear this up.

BamaFalcon59
05-14-2011, 05:03 PM
It could have been ran on grass.

College 40s are useless, they are best utilized in comparison to their teammates. Florida and VT run faster 40s and Oregon may run slow 40s, but you can tell who is fast reguardless.

LaMichael James is fast. Harris runs .2 slower than him. So Harris probably runs late 4.5, early 4.6.

SickwithIt1010
05-14-2011, 07:32 PM
he plays a helluva lot faster than that!

Woody56
05-14-2011, 09:41 PM
didn't realize oregon was so slow

TitanHope
05-14-2011, 10:35 PM
I don't care what his posted 40 time is. The dude was flying in the Tennessee/Oregon game last year.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
05-14-2011, 11:16 PM
Under 2010, it says he was a 4.81...

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
05-14-2011, 11:28 PM
http://championsportsviews.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/top-40-yard-dash-performers-in-pac-10/

That website has Cliff Harris at 4.49.

shylo3716
05-14-2011, 11:52 PM
Under 2010, it says he was a 4.81...

Good catch!

Duffman57
05-15-2011, 12:54 AM
Its funny to consider him as probably the 4th or 5th fastest guy on the team, but he is, but again, thats not exactly saying he's slow at all, he's a low 4.4 guy from what i've seen of him. He'll get burnt by Dior Mathis, Kenjon, LaMike, and possibly Josh Huff, but he's a really fast guy.

ChiFan24
05-15-2011, 01:43 AM
Hopefully Scott or Shane sees this & can help clear this up.

There's really nothing to clear up....he doesn't run a 4.79.

Saints-Tigers
05-15-2011, 05:11 AM
If he runs a 4.79, it's because he skips out of his start or something.

BRAVEHEART
05-15-2011, 11:34 AM
Some of ya'll are getting a lil too bent out of shape with this 40. When I've watched him, I saw was a ball-hawk, a elite return man, and a play-maker.

shylo3716
05-15-2011, 12:43 PM
Some of ya'll are getting a lil too bent out of shape with this 40. When I've watched him, I saw was a ball-hawk, a elite return man, and a play-maker.

I'm not trying to knock him at all, because like I said before I would consider him still, because he is a good zone corner.

etk
05-15-2011, 05:24 PM
He's small and doesn't really stand out with speed or burst to make up for it. With that being said, he turns and runs well, has great instincts and proven production/playmaking. I think he'll be a 2nd rounder because of measurables but he can be a starting corner.

ChiFan24
05-15-2011, 10:05 PM
I'm not trying to knock him at all, because like I said before I would consider him still, because he is a good zone corner.

....is he though, or are you going by the inaccurate forty time? I've never seen much to suggest he was better in zone than man. He's 165 pounds.

Duffman57
05-16-2011, 01:42 AM
I've seen him run at UO and he's hardly slower than Kenjon, Dior, and LaMike (They all lined up and raced, Kenjon burnt everyone and then it was about even) and i can tell you that he is right on par with those guys. They are all about mid to high 4.4 guys, and Kenjon is a legit 4.3 guy IMO.

shylo3716
05-16-2011, 01:49 AM
....is he though, or are you going by the inaccurate forty time? I've never seen much to suggest he was better in zone than man. He's 165 pounds.

I could've sworn they were playing zone against Auburn that game he had the pick.

ChiFan24
05-16-2011, 02:19 AM
I could've sworn they were playing zone against Auburn that game he had the pick.

Yeah, I've definitely seen him sit in a zone and make plays on the ball....I just don't think that I'd project him as an NFL zone corner. Seems a little small to me.

Duffman57
05-16-2011, 02:31 AM
Yeah, I've definitely seen him sit in a zone and make plays on the ball....I just don't think that I'd project him as an NFL zone corner. Seems a little small to me.

I mean he's more than a little small to play in ANY scheme right now. Just how it is. He needs to add 15 lbs at the very least.

duckseason
05-16-2011, 04:29 AM
Yeah...our electronic times during winter testing are always off by a tenth or two or twelve, whether it be due to the timer itself, the lack of formality and preparation by the player, or often a combination of the two, the times always look slow.

If you want to evaluate the speed of an Oregon player, their goducks profile is the last place to look. As many in this thread are aware it's pretty easy to just pay attention during games.

LaMichael James ran a 4.59
Lache Seastrunk ran a 4.63
Josh Huff ran a 4.65
Dior Mathis ran a 4.74

These are some of the fastest guys in college football. I think everyone would be surprised to see James above a 4.4 at the combine.

Oregon clocked Jeff Maehl at 4.77...he ran a 4.62 at the combine.

DJ Davis was our "fastest player" last year with a 4.62.

Eddie Pleasant was our "fastest defender" in last year's testing with a 4.74 time.

Our "fastest" DB in '09 was Chad Peppars with a 4.73....Both TJ Ward and Patrick Chung posted a 4.54 at the combine.

The time that should be in people's heads for Cliff is in that 4.42-4.48 range. Not much to say to a person who thinks Chung and Ward are faster than Harris.

To me, Haloti Ngata is the only player I've seen at Oregon who was a better NFL prospect. Cliff has elite cover skills/playmaking ability. Those who don't see Cliff as a 1st round talent either don't know how to evaluate corners or haven't seen much of him.

I'm not trying to knock him at all, because like I said before I would consider him still, because he is a good zone corner.

Yeah...hate to be rude but you're talking out of your ass in this thread. It appears as though you've formed your entire opinion based on your reaction to that inaccurate blurb in his profile.

While Cliff is surprisingly physical for his size and has excellent range, his talents would be wasted in a zone-based scheme. He's far less valuable to teams who primarily run cover 2. He is among the best pure cover corners we've seen in college football. We're talking about a guy who has the potential to shut down his side of the field in the NFL. This isn't a raw developmental specimen like we often see at this stage of a career. Not a lot of wondering as to whether he can develop the essential skills to be successful at the NFL level.

Cliff Harris utilizes near flawless technique and timing to get to where he needs to be in the defensive backfield. He is very advanced from a technical standpoint and that was obvious by watching him even in HS. He has the awareness and ability to effectively switch to a free safety mid-play and make an impact. Seriously, go to TYT or something and watch him on every play. To attach the obscene 4.79 number to him and consequently write him off as a "good" zone corner is just ridiculous. The only thing keeping him out of the first half of the 1st round is he won't blaze the turf in Indy. Guys like Mayock will be gushing over the tape ad nauseam leading up to the draft.

I could've sworn they were playing zone against Auburn that game he had the pick.

Our corners primarily play man in Aliotti's defense, but the scheme itself is extremely complex for a college defense. It's a sort of hybrid 3-4 with tons of zone blitzing and relies quite a bit on deception both with coverages and pressure. I don't proclaim to know everything that's going on back there while watching the ducks, but you can see that they are constantly making adjustments pre-play based on the formations and pre-snap movements of the offense. So yeah sometimes the DB's end up in zone.

On the play you're talking about, it does appear we were playing zone because Boyett leaves the slot as he breaks outside. Cliff kinda hangs back because he still has the slot guy in front of him and knows he can close if the pass heads that way. Newton makes a dumb throw with his a + b = c genius QB mind, and Cliff gets the easy pick thanks to his range and confidence.

It was his non-interception that was a perfect example of what I described above about him being able to effectively switch to FS mid-play and make an impact away from his man. This is a good play to go back and watch if you want some illustration to what makes him a great corner prospect.

Auburn was in a trips right set. Harris had the flanker, Jackson had the slot, and I believe it was Javes Lewis who had the split end but not sure it may have been one of the other safeties.

All 3 were in man while the deep safety provided insurance.

The flanker ran a go, the slot ran a out and up, and the split end ran a post.

With his eyes on both Newton and his man the entire time, Harris effectively covers his man and makes an instant, yet smooth break on the pass to the outside as soon as Newton commits. He picks off the pass but juggles the ball as he falls out of bounds. I mean Jackson is beat despite being right there with his guy the entire time and here comes Cliff after already having neutralized his man to make a play that would have been 1st and goal otherwise. He essentially shut down the entire right side of the field. This is a great example of Cliff's exceptional technique, body control and awareness. It all adds up to great range. He covers an absurd amount of ground once the ball is in the air because he reacts instantly and precisely with great technique. Minimal wasted movement is a big reason he's great in coverage. Just watch this play and you'll see everything you need to know in a nutshell as to why he's considered an elite prospect. He made a rare play look very easy. It's quite evident that his ability to read what's happening out there is at an elite level. Combine that with his natural fluidity and he is extremely difficult to throw on because like Deion, a QB can be fooled into thinking he's making the right throw. Seriously, this is an elite cover corner we're talking about here.

But hey, I'm just a Duck fan so we can wait for guys like Mayock to illustrate these points so it'll be official.

shylo3716
05-16-2011, 12:42 PM
Yeah...our electronic times during winter testing are always off by a tenth or two or twelve, whether it be due to the timer itself, the lack of formality and preparation by the player, or often a combination of the two, the times always look slow.

If you want to evaluate the speed of an Oregon player, their goducks profile is the last place to look. As many in this thread are aware it's pretty easy to just pay attention during games.

LaMichael James ran a 4.59
Lache Seastrunk ran a 4.63
Josh Huff ran a 4.65
Dior Mathis ran a 4.74

These are some of the fastest guys in college football. I think everyone would be surprised to see James above a 4.4 at the combine.

Oregon clocked Jeff Maehl at 4.77...he ran a 4.62 at the combine.

DJ Davis was our "fastest player" last year with a 4.62.

Eddie Pleasant was our "fastest defender" in last year's testing with a 4.74 time.

Our "fastest" DB in '09 was Chad Peppars with a 4.73....Both TJ Ward and Patrick Chung posted a 4.54 at the combine.

The time that should be in people's heads for Cliff is in that 4.42-4.48 range. Not much to say to a person who thinks Chung and Ward are faster than Harris.

To me, Haloti Ngata is the only player I've seen at Oregon who was a better NFL prospect. Cliff has elite cover skills/playmaking ability. Those who don't see Cliff as a 1st round talent either don't know how to evaluate corners or haven't seen much of him.



Yeah...hate to be rude but you're talking out of your ass in this thread. It appears as though you've formed your entire opinion based on your reaction to that inaccurate blurb in his profile.

While Cliff is surprisingly physical for his size and has excellent range, his talents would be wasted in a zone-based scheme. He's far less valuable to teams who primarily run cover 2. He is among the best pure cover corners we've seen in college football. We're talking about a guy who has the potential to shut down his side of the field in the NFL. This isn't a raw developmental specimen like we often see at this stage of a career. Not a lot of wondering as to whether he can develop the essential skills to be successful at the NFL level.

Cliff Harris utilizes near flawless technique and timing to get to where he needs to be in the defensive backfield. He is very advanced from a technical standpoint and that was obvious by watching him even in HS. He has the awareness and ability to effectively switch to a free safety mid-play and make an impact. Seriously, go to TYT or something and watch him on every play. To attach the obscene 4.79 number to him and consequently write him off as a "good" zone corner is just ridiculous. The only thing keeping him out of the first half of the 1st round is he won't blaze the turf in Indy. Guys like Mayock will be gushing over the tape ad nauseam leading up to the draft.



Our corners primarily play man in Aliotti's defense, but the scheme itself is extremely complex for a college defense. It's a sort of hybrid 3-4 with tons of zone blitzing and relies quite a bit on deception both with coverages and pressure. I don't proclaim to know everything that's going on back there while watching the ducks, but you can see that they are constantly making adjustments pre-play based on the formations and pre-snap movements of the offense. So yeah sometimes the DB's end up in zone.

On the play you're talking about, it does appear we were playing zone because Boyett leaves the slot as he breaks outside. Cliff kinda hangs back because he still has the slot guy in front of him and knows he can close if the pass heads that way. Newton makes a dumb throw with his a + b = c genius QB mind, and Cliff gets the easy pick thanks to his range and confidence.

It was his non-interception that was a perfect example of what I described above about him being able to effectively switch to FS mid-play and make an impact away from his man. This is a good play to go back and watch if you want some illustration to what makes him a great corner prospect.

Auburn was in a trips right set. Harris had the flanker, Jackson had the slot, and I believe it was Javes Lewis who had the split end but not sure it may have been one of the other safeties.

All 3 were in man while the deep safety provided insurance.

The flanker ran a go, the slot ran a out and up, and the split end ran a post.

With his eyes on both Newton and his man the entire time, Harris effectively covers his man and makes an instant, yet smooth break on the pass to the outside as soon as Newton commits. He picks off the pass but juggles the ball as he falls out of bounds. I mean Jackson is beat despite being right there with his guy the entire time and here comes Cliff after already having neutralized his man to make a play that would have been 1st and goal otherwise. He essentially shut down the entire right side of the field. This is a great example of Cliff's exceptional technique, body control and awareness. It all adds up to great range. He covers an absurd amount of ground once the ball is in the air because he reacts instantly and precisely with great technique. Minimal wasted movement is a big reason he's great in coverage. Just watch this play and you'll see everything you need to know in a nutshell as to why he's considered an elite prospect. He made a rare play look very easy. It's quite evident that his ability to read what's happening out there is at an elite level. Combine that with his natural fluidity and he is extremely difficult to throw on because like Deion, a QB can be fooled into thinking he's making the right throw. Seriously, this is an elite cover corner we're talking about here.

But hey, I'm just a Duck fan so we can wait for guys like Mayock to illustrate these points so it'll be official.

How you figure I'm talking out my ass when all I did was post what they put out there. I was not trying to bash like I said once before, I would consider him as a prospect. I never watched Oregon this year but in the Auburn game, so that's to show I did not know the tendencies of their defense to play man over zone. I would love to pair him with Asante since we passed up on quite a few CBs.

ChiFan24
05-16-2011, 08:13 PM
How you figure I'm talking out my ass when all I did was post what they put out there. I was not trying to bash like I said once before, I would consider him as a prospect. I never watched Oregon this year but in the Auburn game, so that's to show I did not know the tendencies of their defense to play man over zone. I would love to pair him with Asante since we passed up on quite a few CBs.

Because you assumed he's a good zone corner based on his crappy 40 time.

Saints-Tigers
05-16-2011, 08:50 PM
Cliff Harris has "running from the cops" speed.

http://prisonworldblogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/timugshot1.jpg

shylo3716
05-16-2011, 09:54 PM
Because you assumed he's a good zone corner based on his crappy 40 time.

Dude yall misinterpret every f*ckin thing! Didn't I say I could've sworn Oregon played zone because that's what I seen them playing against Auburn or appeared to be in.

Duffman57
05-16-2011, 11:26 PM
Cliff Harris has "running from the cops" speed.

http://prisonworldblogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/timugshot1.jpg

Hahahahahahahah, you dont want to know some of the things i know about the guy...lol

PACKmanN
05-17-2011, 06:53 AM
Hahahahahahahah, you dont want to know some of the things i know about the guy...lol

picture of you next to him while he`s sleeping or GTFO

TACKLE
05-17-2011, 10:02 AM
Hahahahahahahah, you dont want to know some of the things i know about the guy...lol

About TI? 10

Duffman57
05-17-2011, 01:17 PM
About TI? 10

Nah Cliff, Lets just say he's not the smartest kid you'll ever meet.

Hines
05-17-2011, 02:21 PM
Nah Cliff, Lets just say he's not the smartest kid you'll ever meet.

TI's name is Cliff Harris. The picture someone posted was of TI.

Duffman57
05-17-2011, 02:44 PM
TI's name is Cliff Harris. The picture someone posted was of TI.

Yah i know, it was more about the "he's got runnin from the cops speed" part. I've seen him use that speed...lol. And yah i knew that Clifford Harris is TI as well, but i thought i'd keep this about the "Lock Sh!t down" Cliff Harris.

shylo3716
05-17-2011, 03:04 PM
Nah Cliff, Lets just say he's not the smartest kid you'll ever meet.

Explain please.....Throw him under the bus why don't you.

Duffman57
05-18-2011, 12:35 AM
Explain please.....Throw him under the bus why don't you.

Sorry that sounded pretty bad, but he just lacks any and all common sense, but that may just be him being the first really dumb football player i've known. I'm sure he's way smarter than Cromartie, and all that crap, but he's just not that smart. I love him as a player though. If he was 20 lbs heavier, he's be a first half of the first round type player, but he's only 165.

shylo3716
09-24-2011, 10:46 PM
Does he go the Janoris Jenkins route?

dannyz
10-24-2011, 08:26 PM
http://www.kgw.com/sports/Cliff-Harris-pulled-over-for-traffic-violations-132501448.html
Police said Monday Harris was pulled over not wearing a seat belt, cited also for driving without a license or insurance. Some People never learn.

Duffman57
10-24-2011, 11:34 PM
Yah, like i said before, he's a hell of a football player, but he's also an idiot...

Like i said before....i have some personal experiences with him just showing how stupid he actually is, but even though i love him as a football player (as i mentioned before in the thread i go to Oregon, so thats to be expected), but once again, he's a moron.

Complex
12-05-2011, 05:06 PM
Oregon dismisses Cliff Harris

The tumultuous career of cornerback Cliff Harris is over at Oregon.

The school announced his dismissal from the team Monday for "a violation of team rules," though the press release didn't say whether it was something new or just a general accumulation of past transgressions.

This is a sad ending for an odd career.

Harris, who was suspended for the final five games this year, earned All-American honors in 2010 and was a consensus 2011 preseason All-American, but he never impressed Ducks coaches as much as he impressed some fans and some media. He didn't start until the second half of the 2010 season, and he didn't see much action when he returned from a suspension this year.

Harris was credited with just nine tackles and one interception in six games this season. He finished his career with 61 tackles and eight interceptions, including one returned for a touchdown. He scored touchdowns on four of 38 punt returns, though two were against woeful New Mexico in the 2010 opener.

He also was suspended from the team -- he missed the opener against LSU -- after he was stopped by police for driving 118 mph with a suspended license on the interstate. Dashboard camera footage from an Oregon State Police patrol car during the June 12, 4:30 a.m. traffic stop included this memorable exchange:

Patrolman: “Who’s got the marijuana in the car?”
Harris: "We smoked it all."

The good side of Harris was his quirky humor. Reporters loved his colorful quotes. The Pac-12 blog, in fact, recently got a couple of cheap laughs from fellow reporters after dinner in Eugene by imitating Harris' reported introductory line to his teammates in 2009: "My name is Cliff Harris, and I'm here to lock s--- down."

The bad side of Harris was his immaturity and poor decision-making. On the field, he could be brilliant. He was an extraordinary ballhawk. But he also was a poor-to-middling tackler and often got out of position. Many fans could never understand why coach Chip Kelly and defensive coordinator Nick Aliotti said -- over and over and over again -- that CB Talmadge Jackson was their best defensive back in 2010. It was because Harris made two bad plays for every good one.

Still, there was always hope -- even after the traffic stop -- that he would grow up, see the light and become a true superstar at Oregon.

That's no longer an option in Eugene. Maybe he'll find maturity somewhere else?

-ESPN

shylo3716
12-05-2011, 05:08 PM
Kicked from Oregon

Does he go the Janoris Jenkins route?

Again ^^^^^^

Duffman57
12-05-2011, 05:21 PM
Again ^^^^^^

He wont go the DII college rout. I'm nearly positive he's done with college and will go pro. Once again, he's to stubborn to go back to school.

TitansCJftw
12-05-2011, 09:16 PM
after he was stopped by police for driving 118 mph with a suspended license on the interstate. Dashboard camera footage from an Oregon State Police patrol car during the June 12, 4:30 a.m. traffic stop included this memorable exchange:

Patrolman: “Who’s got the marijuana in the car?”
Harris: "We smoked it all."

hahahaha that is awesome

Babylon
12-05-2011, 09:35 PM
hahahaha that is awesome

So basically you'd be drafting Cheech and Chong.