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ArkyRamsFan
05-15-2011, 01:27 AM
Hello all....Rams fan here...

I would like everyone's input into how you think the Rams did in the draft, and, most especially the pick of Lance Kendricks TE in the 2nd round.

This pick has been hotly debated among Rams fans since it was made and I'd like to hear from ya'll if you don't mind.

If you like the pick please give some details.

If you think the Rams should have passed who do you think they should have selected?


Thanks to all for your comments!!

MI_Buckeye
05-15-2011, 02:44 AM
Not to plug myself, but I will have a very detailed review of the Rams draft on this forum Sunday afternoon or evening.

SimonRath
05-15-2011, 07:57 AM
me and my falcons buddies watched the draft at my friends house, who is a rams fan, and he's been saying how much he wants julio jones for months now and when the falcons traded up for him, well let's just say we were all scared.

etk
05-15-2011, 05:27 PM
Passing up Leonard Hankerson for Austin Pettis was one of the funniest draft-day things I've ever seen, next to DHB over Crabtree. Pettis is a poor man's Hank in every aspect and deserves to be drafted 5 rounds later, if at all.

I like Salas but he's basically a bigger version of Amendola. Where do they all fit in?

Kendricks is a natural receiver but that's just too many possessions guys who don't make plays after the catch. It makes sense to put Bradford in a dink-and-dunk situation but you need receivers that can get YAC.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-15-2011, 05:47 PM
I found the Pettis pick to be horrendous. They had just drafted Kendricks the round before, Pettis brings nothing that Kendricks doesn't. In fact Kendricks working in the slot is probably more explosive than Pettis. Pettis definitely runs good routes and has solid hands but he's a pure possession receiver who isn't even a good YAC guy. He will struggle mightily to get seperation on the next level, his biggest impact probably comes in the red zone. But for a 3rd rounder that's not great value for a team who lacks a true #1. For Sure Hankerson, Gates, Doss, would have been better picks. Even though they have some small quick guys I would have taken Jernigan or Shorts over Pettis, especially since they went Salas with their next pick who BTW I would have taken in the 3rd over Pettis but that's moot point I suppose since they got both. As for the draft as a whole, give an A to both the Quinn and Kendricks picks. Hines could also be a better special teamer.

nepg
05-15-2011, 06:13 PM
I really didn't see them needing a WR if they couldn't get one of the top two guys. Their group really isn't too shabby if they're all healthy. Clayton was a beast with Bradford, Alexander showed flashes, Amendola is the ideal slot guy, and Daniel Fells also beasted at times.

Pettis over Hankerson was preference. Pettis is more physically gifted, and they really aren't that far apart as far as current ability is concerned. I never understood why Pettis didn't get more attention in this draft.

I thought it was somewhat odd that they went back to WR. I like Quinn and Kendricks as their first two picks, and don't dislike Pettis. But they really didn't draft well.

Unbiased
05-15-2011, 07:12 PM
I liked the draft. Gave Bradford some more weapons, got a excellent DE who's going to a great coach for defensive linemen and I think Hines and Williams could be core special teams players.

fenikz
05-15-2011, 07:45 PM
Quinn was a great pick, and Kendricks is a good player but is fairly useless in a McD offense. Both WR were reaches imo and there were much better players at the position on the board, if they had drafted Hankerson and Gates with Amendola I would be scared

GaMeTiMe
05-15-2011, 09:33 PM
Quinn was a great pick, and Kendricks is a good player but is fairly useless in a McD offense. Both WR were reaches imo and there were much better players at the position on the board, if they had drafted Hankerson and Gates with Amendola I would be scared

Thing is, a McD offense is simply the Bill Belichick offense from the year before. He'll be using 2-TEs often this year.

ArkyRamsFan
05-15-2011, 10:39 PM
Thanks, guys, for all of your comments. Oddly enough (well maybe not) ya'll sound like a lot of what is being said in various Ram forums.

At any rate here's my 2 cents:

1.) I still believe that Kendricks would have been there for the Rams in the 3rd round. Obviously I can't prove that but it still gnaws at me.

2.) I, OTOH, would have taken a player named Steven at that point in the 2nd round. Either Paea or Wisnieski. Rams need some youth and talent at DT and Wis would have been our center which would have allowed Jason Brown to slide over to guard.

3.) It wouldn't have taken much arm twisting for me to pick Mikel Lashoure either.

4.) What bothers me about Kendricks is that at 6'3" and 243lbs he's really not a NFL-grade tight end. Even Devaney in his post-draft interviews calls him a "hybrid". Huh? You took a "hybrid" with the 47th pick?

5.) Some folks are comparing Kendricks, and how we plan to use him, to Aaron Hernandez. But they forget that New England took Hernandez in the FOURTH round. They took a real TE (Gronkowski) in the 2nd.

6.) Being a Razorback fan I am very familiar with another hybrid TE prospect named DJ Williams. Can anybody share with me any quantifiable difference between Kendricks and Williams? OBTW Green Bay picked Williams in the FIFTH round.

Well I'm done venting for now.

Please continue to fire away!!

armageddon
05-15-2011, 10:52 PM
McDaniels wanted Kendricks badly. He isn't going to be your traditional TE. He will be moved all over the place to cause mis-matches. If people don't understand the Pettis and Salas picks, then you didn't watch many Rams games. The Rams WR's were among the leaders in the NFL in drops. Pettis and Salas are good size, physical WR's who have great hands. Avery and DX will be the field stretchers and Kendricks, Amendola, Pettis and Salas will be attacking the seams and the middle of the field, especially horizontally. Quinn was a no brainer. Pure beast. I think the Rams had an amazing draft. Got some good late round value too with help in the secondary and OLB. With rumors they will be pushing hard for Sproles and Cofield, they may have passed on DT and RB purposely. The Rams will be a team to watch.

armageddon
05-15-2011, 10:55 PM
Let me add one more thing regarding the Pettis and Salas picks. The Rams were top 5 getting to the redzone and bottom 5 converting. They just didn't have any real weapons with size, except DX who is often hurt. Pettis and Salas will help this out majorly, and Kendricks too. The Rams also supposedly have a deal reached with Clayton once the lockout is over. Plenty of weapons for Bradford.

SimonRath
05-16-2011, 07:28 AM
greg salas is a pure stud, I don't see how anyone can think he's not good. I like him almost as much as I liked colston coming out.

Shane P. Hallam
05-16-2011, 07:33 AM
Thanks, guys, for all of your comments. Oddly enough (well maybe not) ya'll sound like a lot of what is being said in various Ram forums.

At any rate here's my 2 cents:

1.) I still believe that Kendricks would have been there for the Rams in the 3rd round. Obviously I can't prove that but it still gnaws at me.


Well, don't think this is true. Tampa really liked him and may have moved up for him as well. I like the Kendricks pick. Bradford loves to use his TEs, and Kendricks is in a mold that CAN fit a McDaniels offense. Will he be an Antonio Gates stud? No, but using him as McDaniels used Ben Watson could provide pretty valuable. Kendricks is probably the best Wisconsin TE to come out in awhile, and that is saying something. I think it was a good pick and a need, even though I like Hoomanawanui.

armageddon
05-16-2011, 10:25 AM
Well, don't think this is true. Tampa really liked him and may have moved up for him as well. I like the Kendricks pick. Bradford loves to use his TEs, and Kendricks is in a mold that CAN fit a McDaniels offense. Will he be an Antonio Gates stud? No, but using him as McDaniels used Ben Watson could provide pretty valuable. Kendricks is probably the best Wisconsin TE to come out in awhile, and that is saying something. I think it was a good pick and a need, even though I like Hoomanawanui.


McDaniels said he wants to run 2 TE sets like NE does. Kendricks and Hoomanawani will be a nice combo in that type of offense. Then throw in slot WR's Amendola and Salas and the Rams will be attacking the seams and middle of the field nicely. That should get the safeties off the LOS and give SJax more room too.

Iamcanadian
05-16-2011, 10:46 AM
Anytime you draft #14 and end up with a top 10 talent, the draft has to be labeled a success.
They also needed weapons for Bradford and that is how they drafted. They are obviously counting on Avery to be the speed weapon so I see no problem with how they drafted.

K Train
05-16-2011, 10:49 AM
i believe robert quinn is the truth.

i also really think kendricks will be key to bradford not falling on his face in his second year after being painfully average when forced to actually throw the ball downfield as a rookie

armageddon
05-16-2011, 02:20 PM
i believe robert quinn is the truth.

i also really think kendricks will be key to bradford not falling on his face in his second year after being painfully average when forced to actually throw the ball downfield as a rookie



Throws down the field were painfully average ? Who on their roster was supposed to catch the balls down field ? Did you see the Seattle game when Bradford threw two beauties down the field that went right though DX's hands ? This is why they didn't take many shots. You have to play to your strengths, not your weaknesses. Their strength was Amendola and their TE's underneath. It has NOTHING to do with Bradford's limitations.

K Train
05-16-2011, 02:28 PM
ive seen that bradford is frustrated with the new offensive scheme....that just screams to me that it must make him pass downfield more than he wants to.

i dont ever think hes gonna live up to his monsterous contract, but kendricks will be a key part of that offense for him.

FlyingElvis
05-16-2011, 03:07 PM
TE is a young QBs best friend. Kendricks was a good pick.

I think armageddon nailed it - drops and red zone conversions were an achilles heel last year and this draft looks like it was tailored to address those issues. Avery / Clayton / Alexander to "take the top off" and the rest of these guys to be sure-fire chains movers.

ArkyRamsFan
05-16-2011, 06:15 PM
Some comments and replies are in order.

1.) The issue I am raising is not if Kendricks is any good or not, or even if the Rams can benefit from a guy like him; it's more about the value of taking an under-sized hybrid tight end in the 2nd round when other hybrids like Aaron Hernandez, Travis Beckham and, now, D.J. Williams were all taken much later in the draft.
How can a team with as many holes as the Rams justify this?

2.) Sam Bradford didn't necessarily like to throw to tight ends at OU-he liked to throw to Jermaine Gresham. And that would have been true regardless of what position he lined up at.

3.) Is a player who is considered to be a "hybrid" going to be on the field enough to warrant his selection in the 2nd round? Earlier I stated that I would have strongly have considered Mikel Lashoure, RB. One reason I would not have picked him is because the Rams have Steven Jackson at RB and Leshoure would have had to sit too much, and there is not enough value in that for a mid-second round pick.

I appreciate all of your thoughts.

Lock, load, and fire away!!

Bucs_Rule
05-16-2011, 07:52 PM
i believe robert quinn is the truth.

i also really think kendricks will be key to bradford not falling on his face in his second year after being painfully average when forced to actually throw the ball downfield as a rookie

Oh Baby did Quinn falling that far make me wish TB hadn't won so many games.

Had him 3rd for TB, behind Von Miller and Patrick Peterson.

armageddon
05-16-2011, 08:01 PM
I think Quinn will be a perennial pro bowler in a few years. People don't realize he was only a 19 year old kid the last time they saw him play. He will have to learn to play the run though. He can definitely edge rush, but stopping the run has to prioity #1 before you can rush. He gets after it around the edge, but teams will run at his vacant spot early and often.

Brown Leader
05-17-2011, 01:30 AM
McDaniels wanted Kendricks badly.

There's the rub if true. McDaniels needs to be as far away from decision making on draft day as possible. The problem is I thought Illinois Mike played pretty well. If not for the injuries he might have had as solid a season as the other blue chip rookie TEs. He's a very solid pass catcher to go along with his size. Fells is another fairly solid guy who showed up for them last season. If they wanted a pure pass catching guy, like ArkyRamsFan said, solid prospects were available later.

I don't like the Quinn pick either. Apparently they valued, essentially, a pass rush specialist more than a probable starting DT in Luiget or C.Jordan. Suppose it depends on where you rank Quinn but he dropped for a reason.

I thought pre-draft that Pettis and Salas would outperform their draft slots but one of them might get lost in all the bodies at that spot in St. Louis. Hines I also liked as an early producer at either as S or OLB.

the natural
05-17-2011, 03:35 PM
It's an acknowledgment of Bradford's limitations. A ton of short area possession guys because Sideways Sam can't throw down the field very well. Probably stack the line with receivers with only one guy in the backfield. Steve DeBerg style.

SimonRath
05-17-2011, 04:44 PM
It's an acknowledgment of Bradford's limitations. A ton of short area possession guys because Sideways Sam can't throw down the field very well. Probably stack the line with receivers with only one guy in the backfield. Steve DeBerg style.

pretty sure he can throw it deep if need be.

armageddon
05-17-2011, 05:19 PM
pretty sure he can throw it deep if need be.



He throws a nice deep ball when needed. His receivers seldom have seperation, so it's tough to thrown deep. The Rams game plan was to throw underneath to Amendola and their TE's because that's all they really had. Has nothing to do with Bradford's limitations. People that say that haven't seen him and only look at stats. We live in a stats-geek world.

holt_bruce81
05-17-2011, 05:51 PM
All three Receivers the Rams selected have great hands and are great in the Redzone, Rams were horrible in the Redzone last year and dropped tons of passes.

K Train
05-17-2011, 06:44 PM
he really isnt good at throwing it deep at all...

gpngc
05-17-2011, 06:58 PM
Some comments and replies are in order.

1.) The issue I am raising is not if Kendricks is any good or not, or even if the Rams can benefit from a guy like him; it's more about the value of taking an under-sized hybrid tight end in the 2nd round when other hybrids like Aaron Hernandez, Travis Beckham and, now, D.J. Williams were all taken much later in the draft.
How can a team with as many holes as the Rams justify this?

2.) Sam Bradford didn't necessarily like to throw to tight ends at OU-he liked to throw to Jermaine Gresham. And that would have been true regardless of what position he lined up at.

3.) Is a player who is considered to be a "hybrid" going to be on the field enough to warrant his selection in the 2nd round? Earlier I stated that I would have strongly have considered Mikel Lashoure, RB. One reason I would not have picked him is because the Rams have Steven Jackson at RB and Leshoure would have had to sit too much, and there is not enough value in that for a mid-second round pick.

I appreciate all of your thoughts.

Lock, load, and fire away!!

You are severely:

1) overrating the players you could have had (you admit that Kendricks is a good player - that's all you can ask for - especially in a weak draft).

2) underrating the potential of Kendricks. He has pretty much everything you'd look for in an elite NFL TE, and produced as one of the top TEs in college football two years ago. He could be Dallas Clark good. That's surely worth the 40-something overall pick, again, in a weak draft. Even with his potential, he's a guy I'd be extremely surprised with if he didn't contribute. In the second round, there aren't a lot of those types sitting there.

3) overlooking the fact that Bradford loves using his TE and that Kendricks is a similar player to Gresham.

3) misinterpreting the word "hybrid." He doesn't mean hybrid as in tweener, a WR in a TEs body who can't block. He means it in a positive way - a hybrid TE - too big for DBs and too quick for LBs.

4) overrating LeShoure (and the RB position in general). Your argument is based on positional value with the hybrid talk yet you wish they had taken a RB who isn't very physical between the tackles?

Aaron Hernandez was similar (though Kendricks did many things Hernandez wasn't asked to in college), and would have absolutely been a 2nd-round pick if it weren't for character concerns.

Beckum and D.J. Williams were not as complete as Kendricks and went where they should have relatively to his skillset.

armageddon
05-17-2011, 09:40 PM
You are severely:

1) overrating the players you could have had (you admit that Kendricks is a good player - that's all you can ask for - especially in a weak draft).

2) underrating the potential of Kendricks. He has pretty much everything you'd look for in an elite NFL TE, and produced as one of the top TEs in college football two years ago. He could be Dallas Clark good. That's surely worth the 40-something overall pick, again, in a weak draft. Even with his potential, he's a guy I'd be extremely surprised with if he didn't contribute. In the second round, there aren't a lot of those types sitting there.

3) overlooking the fact that Bradford loves using his TE and that Kendricks is a similar player to Gresham.

3) misinterpreting the word "hybrid." He doesn't mean hybrid as in tweener, a WR in a TEs body who can't block. He means it in a positive way - a hybrid TE - too big for DBs and too quick for LBs.

4) overrating LeShoure (and the RB position in general). Your argument is based on positional value with the hybrid talk yet you wish they had taken a RB who isn't very physical between the tackles?

Aaron Hernandez was similar (though Kendricks did many things Hernandez wasn't asked to in college), and would have absolutely been a 2nd-round pick if it weren't for character concerns.

Beckum and D.J. Williams were not as complete as Kendricks and went where they should have relatively to his skillset.




well said...

armageddon
05-17-2011, 09:43 PM
he really isnt good at throwing it deep at all...



Yeah, what a terrible pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfzEvzKResM

Incomplete on paper.

Brown Leader
05-17-2011, 10:35 PM
You are severely:

1) overrating the players you could have had (you admit that Kendricks is a good player - that's all you can ask for - especially in a weak draft).


Claiming weak draft is a weak argument.

He could be Dallas Clark good. Wow. really? You spoke about underrating him but...

overlooking the fact that Bradford loves using his TE and that Kendricks is a similar player to Gresham. No. Gresham was far superior coming out...imo.

overrating LeShoure (and the RB position in general). Is that why 4 RBs went in the 2nd round and the draft master BB took two back to back?


Clearly you like Kendricks but McDaniels offense in NE and Den didn't even utilize TEs all that well and the Rams drafted two last year and have developed a pretty dependable guy in Fells.

ArkyRamsFan
05-18-2011, 12:04 AM
Claiming weak draft is a weak argument.

Wow. really? You spoke about underrating him but...

No. Gresham was far superior coming out...imo.

Is that why 4 RBs went in the 2nd round and the draft master BB took two back to back?


Clearly you like Kendricks but McDaniels offense in NE and Den didn't even utilize TEs all that well and the Rams drafted two last year and have developed a pretty dependable guy in Fells.

Well said...

gpngc
05-18-2011, 02:46 PM
Claiming weak draft is a weak argument.

Wow. really? You spoke about underrating him but...

No. Gresham was far superior coming out...imo.

Is that why 4 RBs went in the 2nd round and the draft master BB took two back to back?


Clearly you like Kendricks but McDaniels offense in NE and Den didn't even utilize TEs all that well and the Rams drafted two last year and have developed a pretty dependable guy in Fells.

Weak draft = more question marks than answers available in the 40s. Thus, a pretty sure thing like Kendricks is a great pick as opposed to taking someone like Bowers who may or may not ever be the same player.

Gresham was a better prospect than Kendricks, but not by much. Athletically, Kendricks is more gifted. Gresham was more polished and has better size. Otherwise, Kendricks has just as much potential.

McDaniels' TEs were Ben Watson, Daniel Graham, and Tony Scheffler - none of whom even compare to Kendricks as receivers. And do you think the Rams FO and coaching staff are that out of sync that they'd draft a TE in the 40s with unique receiving skills, and then not utilize him?

The Fells argument stems from the philosophy of filling "needs" and addressing weaknesses, while allowing opportunities to improve your team in areas that are just OK (i.e. TE in St. Louis) to go by the wayside because "we are already good enough there." This leads to passing on good prospects who can and will contribute and have the potential to be impact players way more than the guys you already have.

If you think drafting two TEs last year and already having a dependable guy should inhibit them from taking a guy they clearly think could be an impact starting TE to grow with their franchise QB, then you probably would also subscribe to the belief that you should take need over the top-rated player on your board. I vehemently disagree with that philosophy but respect your opinion.

Iamcanadian
05-18-2011, 03:04 PM
[QUOTE=gpngc;2602891]Weak draft = more question marks than answers available in the 40s. Thus, a pretty sure thing like Kendricks is a great pick as opposed to taking someone like Bowers who may or may not ever be the same player.

Gresham was a better prospect than Kendricks, but not by much. Athletically, Kendricks is more gifted. Gresham was more polished and has better size. Otherwise, Kendricks has just as much potential.

I like the Kendricks' pick, solid pass receiving TE's are a real weapon in today's NFL. But let's not get carried away, as a prospect, he doesn't come close to Gresham potential or talent base. That is stretching it by quite a bit.
I don't think he can match Gresham athletically, not even close.
However, Kendricks can be a force to be reckoned with and should be a very serviceable NFL TE.

Iamcanadian
05-18-2011, 03:18 PM
It's an acknowledgment of Bradford's limitations. A ton of short area possession guys because Sideways Sam can't throw down the field very well. Probably stack the line with receivers with only one guy in the backfield. Steve DeBerg style.

What a rubbish statement, by year 3, Bradford will move up into the top level of NFL QB's. Bradford is about as limited as Brady.
With Green and Jones gone, the Rams took the BPA at a position of need. In round 2, they took the best weapon they could find to help Bradford and with McDaniels as their OC, they took possession WR's because that is how NE's offense was built.

armageddon
05-18-2011, 03:40 PM
Kendricks = Dallas Clark

the natural
05-18-2011, 07:14 PM
What a rubbish statement, by year 3, Bradford will move up into the top level of NFL QB's. Bradford is about as limited as Brady.
With Green and Jones gone, the Rams took the BPA at a position of need. In round 2, they took the best weapon they could find to help Bradford and with McDaniels as their OC, they took possession WR's because that is how NE's offense was built.

No, someone will blow out Bradford's shoulder again long before that. He'll end up like Chad Pennington.

gpngc
09-01-2011, 09:03 PM
Bump after 173 yards and 3 TDs in preseason. Stats, fine. But he's looked ******* great with Bradford.

ArkyRamsFan
09-02-2011, 05:57 PM
Hmmm..the thread back from the dead?!

At any rate I have been very impressed with the play of L. Kendricks so far.

Can't help wondering if we could have still have taken Steven Paea in the 2nd figuring that Kendricks would be there is the 3rd round.

Speaking of third rounders it is not looking good for one Austin Pettis at all. Rams fans have him getting cut and most but not all would stick him on the PS for the year.

He's getting beat soundly by our 4th rounder, Greg Salas, for a place on the squad. Pettis finished the pre season with 1 catch for 6 yards. Not exactly stellar numbers are they?