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D-Unit
05-20-2011, 11:13 PM
New CBA Rules:

Soft Cap
The soft cap is a 3 year transition that will eventually set the cap at $50M.

2011-12 Season: $55M
2012-13 Season: $52M
2013-14 Season: $50M

*Any spending over that will result in a dollar for dollar luxury cap.

Mid-Level Exception
The MLE will be reduced to 3 years, $4M per year. It can be split up, but it cannot be traded.

Amnesty Clause
Teams have the option of using the Amnesty Clause on 1 player that will release the player from their roster and clear the player's salary from their cap. The player can sign with any other team and immediately becomes a FA. Teams still have to pay the player the salary he was owed.

Sign & Trade Deals
No change. Sign & Trade deals will remain the same

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Trade Exception List

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/tradeexceptions.jsp

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ROUND 1

1 - 1 Cleveland Cavaliers (from L.A. Clippers) - Bosanac01
1 - 2 Minnesota Timberwolves - yo123
1 - 3 Utah Jazz (from New Jersey) - DJC
1 - 4 Cleveland Cavaliers - Bosanac01
1 - 5 Toronto Raptors - Brodeur
1 - 6 Washington Wizards - STRIP
1 - 7 Sacramento Kings - NIP
1 - 8 Detroit Pistons - WMD
1 - 9 Charlotte Bobcats - fenikz
1 - 10 Milwaukee Bucks - princefielder28
1 - 11 Golden State Warriors - Smash28Dash34
1 - 12 Utah Jazz - DJC
1 - 13 Phoenix Suns - fenikz
1 - 14 Houston Rockets - LTGiants
1 - 15 Indiana Pacers - Brodeur
1 - 16 Philadelphia 76ers - princefielder28
1 - 17 New York Knicks - thenewfeature06
1 - 18 Washington Wizards (from Atlanta) - STRIP
1 - 19 Charlotte Bobcats (from New Orleans via Portland) - fenikz
1 - 20 Minnesota Timberwolves (from Memphis via Utah) - yo123
1 - 21 Portland Trail Blazers - DJC
1 - 22 Denver Nuggets - marshallb
1 - 23 Houston Rockets (from Orlando via Phoenix) - LTGiants
1 - 24 Oklahoma City Thunder - marshallb
1 - 25 Boston Celtics - ROP
1 - 26 Dallas Mavericks - diabsoule
1 - 27 New Jersey Nets (from L.A. Lakers) - scottyboy
1 - 28 Chicago Bulls (from Miami via Toronto) - Docta
1 - 29 San Antonio Spurs - Docta
1 - 30 Chicago Bulls - Docta

ROUND 2

2 - 31 Miami Heat (from Minnesota) - yodapoop
2 - 32 Cleveland Cavaliers - Bosanac01
2 - 33 Detroit Pistons (from Toronto) - WMD
2 - 34 Washington Wizards - STRIP
2 - 35 Sacramento Kings - NIP
2 - 36 New Jersey Nets - scottyboy
2 - 37 Los Angeles Clippers (from Detroit) - D-Unit
2 - 38 Houston Rockets (from L.A. Clippers) - LTGiants
2 - 39 Charlotte Bobcats - fenikz
2 - 40 Milwaukee Bucks - princefielder28
2 - 41 Los Angeles Lakers (from Golden State via New Jersey) - fenikz
2 - 42 Indiana Pacers - Brodeur
2 - 43 Chicago Bulls (from Utah) - Docta
2 - 44 Golden State Warriors (from Phoenix) - Smash28Dash34
2 - 45 New Orleans Hornets (from Philadelphia) - diabsoule
2 - 46 Los Angeles Lakers (from New York) - fenikz
2 - 47 Los Angeles Clippers (from Houston) - D-Unit
2 - 48 Atlanta Hawks - STRIP
2 - 49 Memphis Grizzlies - thenewfeature06
2 - 50 Philadelphia 76ers (from New Orleans) - princefielder28
2 - 51 Portland Trail Blazers - DJC
2 - 52 Detroit Pistons (from Denver Nuggets) - WMD
2 - 53 Orlando Magic - D-Unit
2 - 54 Cleveland Cavaliers (from Oklahoma City via Miami) - Bosanac01
2 - 55 Boston Celtics - ROP
2 - 56 Los Angeles Lakers - fenikz
2 - 57 Dallas Mavericks - diabsoule
2 - 58 Los Angeles Lakers (from Miami) - fenikz
2 - 59 San Antonio Spurs - Docta
2 - 60 Sacramento Kings (from Chicago via Milwaukee) - NIP

SeanTaylorRIP
05-20-2011, 11:30 PM
You know I got the Wizards

fenikz
05-20-2011, 11:40 PM
Phoenix Suns :)

and a 2nd team if needed

WMD
05-20-2011, 11:43 PM
I'll take the Pee Stones.

D-Unit
05-21-2011, 12:12 AM
Phoenix Suns :)

and a 2nd team if needed
I'm sure there will be 2nd teams to be had. Let's let the popular teams fill first.

MOTH, if you want the Magic, go for it. Otherwise, I'll take 'em.

Docta
05-21-2011, 02:44 AM
I'll take the Bulls.

But couldn't we have waited until after all the workouts?

thenewfeature06
05-21-2011, 01:47 PM
Utah and NY!

If only one team, then I will take Utah.

princefielder28
05-21-2011, 02:35 PM
I wouldn't mind taking Cleveland

otherwise the Bucks work for me

DJC
05-21-2011, 03:06 PM
I'll take the Jazz

fenikz
05-21-2011, 04:03 PM
ill take Minny too unless a real fan comes along(DJP is the only one i can think of)

and the #2 pick will be on the block :D

yo123
05-21-2011, 04:18 PM
ill take Minny too unless a real fan comes along(DJP is the only one i can think of)

and the #2 pick will be on the block :D


Ouch....

I'll take them if that's alright. No big deal if you really want them though.

fenikz
05-21-2011, 04:36 PM
lol oops forgot about you feel free to em, was just trying to think of a team with little to no fans

D-Unit
05-21-2011, 06:46 PM
I wouldn't mind taking Cleveland

otherwise the Bucks work for me
I'm gonna see if we have any CLE fans first. If not you get first dibs.

Updated. Oh yeah and STRIP is the trade commissioner.

marshallb
05-21-2011, 07:09 PM
I will take the Oklahoma City Thunder.

WMD
05-21-2011, 07:14 PM
lol oops forgot about you feel free to em, was just trying to think of a team with little to no fans
You already have a team with little to no fans.

fenikz
05-21-2011, 07:16 PM
you know im the only sports fan in Arizona

ill take Charlotte too, i'm pretty positive they have no fans what so ever

nobodyinparticular
05-21-2011, 08:46 PM
I'll take Sacramento.

Smash28Dash34
05-22-2011, 09:07 AM
Ill take G State

Matthew Jones
05-22-2011, 10:32 AM
I'll rep Boston!

D-Unit
05-22-2011, 11:34 AM
Remaining teams:

Cleveland Cavaliers
Toronto Raptors
Houston Rockets
Indiana Pacers
Philadelphia 76ers
Portland Trail Blazers
Denver Nuggets
Dallas Mavericks
New Jersey Nets
San Antonio Spurs
Miami Heat
Los Angeles Clippers
Memphis Grizzlies
Los Angeles Lakers

Bosanac01
05-22-2011, 11:53 AM
I'll take Cleveland.

marshallb
05-22-2011, 12:51 PM
If we're taking second teams, I'll take the Denver Nuggets for my second team.

yodabear
05-22-2011, 01:00 PM
Can I take my Miami Heat?

D-Unit
05-22-2011, 01:46 PM
Teams left:

Toronto Raptors
Houston Rockets
Indiana Pacers
Philadelphia 76ers
Portland Trail Blazers
Dallas Mavericks
New Jersey Nets
San Antonio Spurs
Memphis Grizzlies
Los Angeles Lakers

DJC
05-22-2011, 02:28 PM
I'll take the Blazers as my 2nd

thenewfeature06
05-22-2011, 02:55 PM
gRIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ as my 2nd.. if allowed.

RaiderNation
05-22-2011, 02:59 PM
Are we just doing a draft? Or trades and F/A too?

princefielder28
05-22-2011, 04:15 PM
I'll take Philly as well for a 2nd team

D-Unit
05-22-2011, 04:40 PM
Are we just doing a draft? Or trades and F/A too?
Depending on how active this is. I think we could do it all.

Teams left:

Toronto Raptors
Houston Rockets
Indiana Pacers
Dallas Mavericks
New Jersey Nets
San Antonio Spurs
Los Angeles Lakers

Brodeur
05-22-2011, 04:45 PM
I'll go for the Raptors and Pacers.

LTgiants
05-22-2011, 05:09 PM
I will take Houston

scottyboy
05-22-2011, 06:28 PM
nets por favor

DJC
05-22-2011, 07:23 PM
Only the Spurs, Lakers, and Mavs left. I think its safe to go ahead and get this thing moving!

D-Unit
05-22-2011, 07:24 PM
Teams left:

Dallas Mavericks
San Antonio Spurs
Los Angeles Lakers

Docta
05-22-2011, 10:56 PM
I'll take the Spurs as my 2nd team.

fenikz
05-23-2011, 12:22 AM
if necessary ill take Lakers and royally **** them

yodabear
05-23-2011, 03:03 AM
Ah just to wrap it up....to go along with the Heat, I'll be the other future finalist (OH ****, NO I DIDN'T!), Mavs.

Bosanac01
05-23-2011, 03:09 AM
Please pm me when I'm up, or text if you have my digits.

Matthew Jones
05-23-2011, 04:13 AM
What are we doing regarding players with player options and retirements? Is someone going to put together a list of what players are doing with their options and who's retiring?

D-Unit
05-23-2011, 12:41 PM
What are we doing regarding players with player options and retirements? Is someone going to put together a list of what players are doing with their options and who's retiring?
If I have time at work today, I'll do it. No promises though.

diabsoule
05-23-2011, 12:55 PM
I'll take Dallas and New Orleans if need be

Matthew Jones
05-23-2011, 12:56 PM
If I have time at work today, I'll do it. No promises though.

Awesome thanks! Here's a list of all the players with player options...I'm not sure of the amounts though.

Ray Allen (BOS)

Shaquille O'Neal (BOS)

Boris Diaw (CHA)

Ryan Hollins (CLE)

Louis Armundson (GS)

Brian Cook (LAC)

Matt Barnes (LAL)

Shannon Brown (LAL)

Eddie House (MIA)

Zydrunas Ilgauskas (MIA)

James Jones (MIA)

Aaron Gray (NO)

Ronny Turiaf (NYK)

Mickael Pietrus (PHO)

Leandro Barbosa (TOR)

D-Unit
05-23-2011, 02:45 PM
I'll take Dallas and New Orleans if need be
And with that, ALL TEAMS ARE FILLED! Hooray!

STRIP is the one and only trade commish.

I will be the FA commish.

PM accordingly.

DJC
05-23-2011, 04:56 PM
Jazz looking at moving down from #3

princefielder28
05-23-2011, 05:28 PM
The Bucks will entertain offers for Brandon Jennings

SeanTaylorRIP
05-23-2011, 10:25 PM
Big rules announcement on first page, everyone please read

WMD
05-23-2011, 10:35 PM
Where perhaps might I find Free Agency information?

WMD
05-23-2011, 10:54 PM
Love the Amnesty Clause aka "The Rip Hamilton Clause"

fenikz
05-23-2011, 11:02 PM
is that a real thing?

peace childress

Docta
05-23-2011, 11:08 PM
is that a real thing?

peace childress
It is real. People call it the Allan Houston Rule, though

D-Unit
05-24-2011, 12:06 AM
is that a real thing?

peace childress
Yeah fenikz. It's a real possibility. In the last CBA, they did it, but it only relieved Luxury tax penalty. There is more rumblings that this time, it could provide full cap relief.

This is Larry Coon. The guru of the NBA salary cap.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

He's also a writer for Hoopsworld and ESPN. This is his latest chap script:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?chat_topics_id=1645&status=Active

"Since teams sign multi-year contracts, and therefore make many of their roster decisions years in advance, they make their decisions in the context of the current set of rules. It's a little unfair to teams when those teams make plan, and then the league changes the rules upon which those plans were based.

When the league changes the rules, they usually make an accommodation for the teams affected by those rule changes. For example in 1995 they changed the way the luxury tax system worked, so they provided the amnesty provision which allowed teams to gain some luxury tax relief if they chose to use it.

This time they're talking about changing not only the luxury tax, but the fundamental way the cap works. In doing so, I'd expect them to provide some accommodation for affected teams -- and since it's the cap that's changing, I'd expect the relief to affect the cap. So I'd expect an amnesty clause that provides full cap relief."

STRIP and I decided that for the purposes of this mock we needed to set up our own version of what we think the new CBA might look like. So the rules we have are what we agreed on. One thing to note is that we didn't provide a Franchise tag. Something that the NBA is considering in the new CBA. The proposed suggestion is not like the NFL tag. This one just makes it much more persuasive for NBA players to take because it's supposed to allow teams to offer way more money and also an extra year to the deal compared to competitors. Players can still choose to leave, but they would leave a lot of money on the table.

D-Unit
05-24-2011, 12:07 AM
Where perhaps might I find Free Agency information?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18192

WMD
05-24-2011, 12:24 AM
http://a.yfrog.com/img830/1498/ripdoor.jpg

Matthew Jones
05-24-2011, 02:23 AM
D-Unit, since Shaq wasn't included in your player options list, should I assume he's retiring?

D-Unit
05-24-2011, 03:18 AM
D-Unit, since Shaq wasn't included in your player options list, should I assume he's retiring?
Yeah. Dude's done.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-24-2011, 08:23 AM
For teams looking to get under the cap hit me up I only have 18 mil on my books.

diabsoule
05-24-2011, 12:08 PM
Trying to keep this realistic with the front office NOLA has so CP3 will NOT be traded.

D-Unit
05-24-2011, 12:46 PM
Magic want to trade for your Trade Exceptions!

Check here if you want to see if your team has any.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/tradeexceptions.jsp

diabsoule
05-24-2011, 04:47 PM
Hornets willing to trade some trade exceptions to bring in some players. Just make us an offer!

yo123
05-24-2011, 04:56 PM
I'm not going to be able to do this guys, I just got a new job that's taking up pretty much all my time and I don't want to be that guy who holds everything up. I'm sure someone will want to take the team with the second pick in the draft though.

LTgiants
05-24-2011, 05:03 PM
I will take them if you want

yo123
05-24-2011, 05:07 PM
They're all yours.

scottyboy
05-24-2011, 05:48 PM
when can we send in FA stuff? and can I make an offer to extend DWill?

other that that, yea every Net is up for grabs execpt DWill.

fenikz
05-24-2011, 06:00 PM
FA is after the draft

thenewfeature06
05-24-2011, 06:25 PM
The Grizz pick up Sam Young's team option and let Hammadi go..

WMD
05-24-2011, 06:35 PM
The Pistons don't have any Team Options that I know of. I can't find any.

And I'm pretty sure I can match any offer for Jonas Jerebko.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-24-2011, 06:56 PM
Wizards will take on player salaries for the right price. Would be willing to trade, trade exceptions straight up for players if the right guys come across. Also Hawks looking to move J-Smoove, C+SF are the important areas of need.

BTW everyone try to get their depth chart posted in the Depth chart thread.

diabsoule
05-24-2011, 07:05 PM
Hornets have several trade exceptions they would like to swap for players, if possible.

Target positions are SG+C.

fenikz
05-24-2011, 07:22 PM
Wizards will take on player salaries for the right price. Would be willing to trade, trade exceptions straight up for players if the right guys come across. Also Hawks looking to move J-Smoove, C+SF are the important areas of need.

BTW everyone try to get their depth chart posted in the Depth chart thread.

did docta not send in that trade or did you just say this is stupid and ignore it

fenikz
05-24-2011, 07:22 PM
Josh Childress, Mickael Pietrus & Hakim Warrick can be had for nothing

SeanTaylorRIP
05-24-2011, 07:27 PM
did docta not send in that trade or did you just say this is stupid and ignore it

check the trade thread.

fenikz
05-24-2011, 07:34 PM
ah didnt even see that, tis what he wanted

also Charlotte going into full rebuild mode, Boris Diaw & Tyrus Thomas can be had for draft picks/young talent

Docta
05-24-2011, 09:20 PM
Spurs aren't going to be winning anymore championships with the current team, so why not rebuild? Bringing in 2 guards isn't going to help Neal and Hill get more playing time, but neither Blake or Fisher are going to be playing as much as Parker did, and Fisher probably won't be playing for all 4 years. 2 years, 12 million for Walton isn't that much of a bad contract either. Wait one year, trade him for a 2nd, and a trade exception

Then you add in all the picks I would have got. Look at how much the future picks helped the Grizzlies in the Gasol trade.

I might be overrating Ebanks, but you can't see what he can do unless you give him a shot.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-24-2011, 09:26 PM
Here's the thing though you want to rebuild yet you bring in 3 long contracts in players who aren't very good. Plus again those picks are all late picks. Also it's not realistic for a team to have that many picks, they simply won't have the roster space for them. I just don't think you can trade a 29 year old all star caliber player for 2 late firsts, and 2 second round picks. That trade definitely needs a bit of tweaking.

WMD
05-24-2011, 10:39 PM
What does the * in the Free Agency post denote? Bird rights?

By the way, ESPN's list is a little different. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12

All I've noticed is that they've got Jonas Jerebko and Dajuan Summers as Restricted whereas DUnit's post has them as Unrestricted.

Docta
05-24-2011, 11:49 PM
Here's the thing though you want to rebuild yet you bring in 3 long contracts in players who aren't very good. Plus again those picks are all late picks. Also it's not realistic for a team to have that many picks, they simply won't have the roster space for them. I just don't think you can trade a 29 year old all star caliber player for 2 late firsts, and 2 second round picks. That trade definitely needs a bit of tweaking.
You wouldn't have to sign the player though. The Spurs have a lot of unguaranteed contracts next season, so they could choose to have roster space if they wanted to. 2 late firsts can still turn out big in a quality draft. Just need good scouting, which the Spurs have.

It's fine if it doesn't get passed. Just trying to defend my side.

Matthew Jones
05-25-2011, 06:34 AM
Celtics have a little over $3 million in trade exceptions between Marquis Daniels ($2,388,000), Semih Erden ($473,600), and Luke Harangody ($473,600). Let me know if you're interested in any of them!

princefielder28
05-25-2011, 09:32 AM
when will the draft start???

scottyboy
05-25-2011, 09:34 AM
so if I use the Amnesty clause on Travis Outlaw...that means his horrendous contract is just gone and off the books?

princefielder28
05-25-2011, 09:36 AM
so if I use the Amnesty clause on Travis Outlaw...that means his horrendous contract is just gone and off the books?

he would still get paid by the team but it wouldn't count against their cap #

scottyboy
05-25-2011, 09:39 AM
he would still get paid by the team but it wouldn't count against their cap #

considering my owner is one of the richest men in the planet, i think that'd be ok haha. hmmm i may have to consider doing that

SeanTaylorRIP
05-25-2011, 10:45 AM
Wizards will take a first round pick if you want to unload a bad contract. Although I guess it depends just how bad the contract and how high the pick.

princefielder28
05-25-2011, 11:22 AM
Wizards will take a first round pick if you want to unload a bad contract. Although I guess it depends just how bad the contract and how high the pick.

we doing that Iggy deal???

Bosanac01
05-25-2011, 01:38 PM
Ramon Sessions and JJ Hickson is on the trade block.

WMD
05-25-2011, 01:48 PM
That Iggy deal is no good. It's not like Iggy is old at 27, and his contract isn't even that bad compared to what Nocioni is making. I would've just kept Elton Brand and Iggy and dumped Nocioni, but whatever. Also if they're going for a youth movement, you'd think they would put a premium on high picks.. In my opinion, #18 with Blatche isn't enough for Iguodala.. #6 with Blatche would probably work.

I can see why Washington would do it though. I'm not saying they should edit the trade or anything though, I usually feel if both teams want to do the trade then it should go..

princefielder28
05-25-2011, 01:56 PM
That Iggy deal is no good. It's not like Iggy is old at 27, and his contract isn't even that bad compared to what Nocioni is making. I would've just kept Elton Brand and Iggy and dumped Nocioni, but whatever. Also if they're going for a youth movement, you'd think they would put a premium on high picks.. In my opinion, #18 with Blatche isn't enough for Iguodala.. #6 with Blatche would probably work.

I can see why Washington would do it though. I'm not saying they should edit the trade or anything though, I usually feel if both teams want to do the trade then it should go..

Iggy isn't old but he's not much of an offensive force for someone making as much as he is and he's blocking Evan Turner from seeing the floor and hitting his potential. Nocioni makes a third of the money of Brand and his contract will be up after this following season. Blatche, at just under 30 million over the next four years, is a solid price tag for a young big man who is continuing to develop his game. It also provides cap flexibility, freeing up an additional 7 million or so on top of the 17 million that the amnesty clause freed up with Brand. With the decrease in the cap and the pending free agency of both Spencer Hawes and Thaddeus Young and the need for long term contracts with them the cap space is important for a team that has a nice young nucleus and will continue to look to lock up the players when time comes.

Brodeur
05-25-2011, 04:44 PM
Iggy is the best perimeter defender in basketball, that trade is absolute garbage. Evan Turner will never be half the talent he is, that draft pick is useless in this horseshit draft, and Andray Blatche is a lazy, stat stuffing piece of crap.

Matthew Jones
05-25-2011, 05:04 PM
Iggy is the best perimeter defender in basketball, that trade is absolute garbage. Evan Turner will never be half the talent he is, that draft pick is useless in this horseshit draft, and Andray Blatche is a lazy, stat stuffing piece of crap.

Tell us how you really feel.

fenikz
05-25-2011, 05:16 PM
i would of def offered more for iggy than that

diabsoule
05-25-2011, 05:25 PM
I still have some trade exceptions to work with if a team is looking to trade a player for one.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-25-2011, 05:32 PM
i would of def offered more for iggy than that

Can you offer to take on Iggy's salary? The 76ers had an option, keep Iggy or let Thaddeus Young and Spencer Hawkes walk. Andray Blatche is a 16+8 guy who has a modest contract for the next 4 years. We are running this mock for fun. Almost any trade if I give suggestions can be tweaked. As long as a trade makes sense in some way I'll approve it. This trade shaves 7 mil a year off the 76ers cap space, allows them to keep 2 young building blocks in Hawes and Young, and sets them up for the new cap rules. If two users agree with it, I won't argue it unless it's ridiculous.

fenikz
05-25-2011, 05:33 PM
ya Suns have about 15 mil in cap space now

nobodyinparticular
05-25-2011, 05:49 PM
I was absolutely willing and able to offer more for Iggy and I have the cap space to do it too.

D-Unit
05-25-2011, 06:06 PM
edit: I'm not gonna reject STRIP's trade. I think you guys are sorry that you missed out on getting Iggy and are simply complaining.

That said going forward, we need a system of checks and balances.

STRIP, if you have a trade. Pass it through me. If it's a trade involving the both of us, I'll have PF approve the trade.

fenikz
05-25-2011, 06:44 PM
i had no problem with you approving it, just felt that if someone going to trade someone of iggy's caliber they should shop around more and not settle for a terrible PF and a non-lottery pick

SeanTaylorRIP
05-25-2011, 06:47 PM
He's had Iggy on the block since we started it. What do you want him to do, post in here that he's been offered Blatche and the 18th pick and ask for someone to beat it? That's not how it works. If a team see's a deal they like they take it. Obviously I offered him the best deal. When the Lakers traded for Pau Gasol I'm sure every team after said that they would have offered more, but they didn't.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-25-2011, 06:48 PM
edit: I'm not gonna reject STRIP's trade. I think you guys are sorry that you missed out on getting Iggy and are simply complaining.

That said going forward, we need a system of checks and balances.

STRIP, if you have a trade. Pass it through me. If it's a trade involving the both of us, I'll have PF approve the trade.

ok sounds good to me.

Brodeur
05-25-2011, 08:08 PM
It's just an inexplicably terrible deal. Iggy is an excellent passer, an amazing defender, and a guy who could be a great second option on the right team. Yet he gets traded for a mid first rounder in the worst draft in eons and the guy who posts the emptiest stats in the NBA? Iggy is not overpaid, I hate that notion.

LTgiants
05-25-2011, 08:10 PM
Broduer can you let me know whats up with that deal?

D-Unit
05-25-2011, 08:13 PM
Just FYI, the ESPN Trade Machine is programmed for making trades in this current basketball season. Our mock is working as if the season is over. So trades may not work the right way if you are using that trade machine to check if things work.

Docta
05-25-2011, 08:17 PM
You guys can use this site to check player's salaries for next year. Just click on a team to check their player salaries.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp

SeanTaylorRIP
05-25-2011, 08:19 PM
It's just an inexplicably terrible deal. Iggy is an excellent passer, an amazing defender, and a guy who could be a great second option on the right team. Yet he gets traded for a mid first rounder in the worst draft in eons and the guy who posts the emptiest stats in the NBA? Iggy is not overpaid, I hate that notion.

But he is overpaid on the 76ers. He's the #1 option on a team yet averages 14 ppg on bad percentages. Also averages over 2 Turnovers per game. Say what you want but paying a guy 12+ mil to average 14 ppg is not what you look for in a #1 option. Also the most important thing is the financial impact. If they keep Iguodala they have to let go of their two young building blocks in Thaddeus Young and Spencer Hawes. Being able to move him for a big who averages 16 ppg on better percentages is a good move. Plus I added a couple picks. You have to consider the financial aspect. Look at last year. The Bulls had Kirk Hinrich, an excellent defender who can shoot the 3, yet they gave Hinrich+17th pick to the Wizards for nothing in return simply so they could improve their team financially. People hate on Blatche so much. People act like him putting up 20+10 on a regularity is something to ignore. People said the exact same thing about Zach Randolph. Some of you are acting like Iggy is loved by all in Philly, many Philly fans have wanted him out for a while.

D-Unit
05-25-2011, 08:28 PM
It's just an inexplicably terrible deal. Iggy is an excellent passer, an amazing defender, and a guy who could be a great second option on the right team. Yet he gets traded for a mid first rounder in the worst draft in eons and the guy who posts the emptiest stats in the NBA? Iggy is not overpaid, I hate that notion.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/adamosgp/Forum%20Reactions/tumblr_lev501YLy31qb0irpo1_400.gif

Save us the drama story.

nobodyinparticular
05-25-2011, 09:00 PM
You guys can use this site to check player's salaries for next year. Just click on a team to check their player salaries.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp

I knew Marcus Thornton had a QO. I assume because of the misinformation in the FA thread, I am still able to extend him the QO.

Brodeur
05-25-2011, 09:10 PM
But he is overpaid on the 76ers. He's the #1 option on a team yet averages 14 ppg on bad percentages. Also averages over 2 Turnovers per game. Say what you want but paying a guy 12+ mil to average 14 ppg is not what you look for in a #1 option. Also the most important thing is the financial impact. If they keep Iguodala they have to let go of their two young building blocks in Thaddeus Young and Spencer Hawes. Being able to move him for a big who averages 16 ppg on better percentages is a good move. Plus I added a couple picks. You have to consider the financial aspect. Look at last year. The Bulls had Kirk Hinrich, an excellent defender who can shoot the 3, yet they gave Hinrich+17th pick to the Wizards for nothing in return simply so they could improve their team financially. People hate on Blatche so much. People act like him putting up 20+10 on a regularity is something to ignore. People said the exact same thing about Zach Randolph. Some of you are acting like Iggy is loved by all in Philly, many Philly fans have wanted him out for a while.

Z-Bo is infinitely better and a much harder worker than Blatche, it's a crappy comparison. And those people that want Iggy gone are ******* idiots.

D-Unit
05-25-2011, 09:14 PM
I knew Marcus Thornton had a QO. I assume because of the misinformation in the FA thread, I am still able to extend him the QO.
Thornton is a Restricted FA.

If a player is Restricted it means that the player meets the requirements to be a restricted free agent only if the team presents a qualifying offer in the appropraite amount to the player at the conclusion of the player's current contract. If the qualifying offer is not tendered to the player, the player will be an unrestricted free agent.

CrankthatCrabtree
05-25-2011, 10:08 PM
As an outside observer I have absolutely no clue how the Spurs trade was rejected but the Iggy trade was not. I mean I understand letting all trades through(as long as the numbers match), but if you are going to reject trades then the Spurs trade is wwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy better than the Iggy trade

SeanTaylorRIP
05-25-2011, 10:17 PM
I have given the Spurs and Lakers an incredibly reasonable adjustment to their trade if they want to go through with it.

nobodyinparticular
05-25-2011, 11:34 PM
Thornton is a Restricted FA.

If a player is Restricted it means that the player meets the requirements to be a restricted free agent only if the team presents a qualifying offer in the appropraite amount to the player at the conclusion of the player's current contract. If the qualifying offer is not tendered to the player, the player will be an unrestricted free agent.

Right, but in the FA list, he was listed at an unrestricted FA. I actually mentioned that he was a restricted free agent but was quickly admonished that free agency wasn't starting yet. If he had been listed as an RFA requiring a QO to begin with, I obviously would have extended it to him.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-25-2011, 11:50 PM
Yeah NIP you're definitely right, I remember you asking about that. You definitely should get to tender him since he is listed as an UFA for whatevder reason.

Brodeur
05-25-2011, 11:53 PM
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/adamosgp/Forum%20Reactions/tumblr_lev501YLy31qb0irpo1_400.gif

Save us the drama story.

I'm contesting a trade, shut up.

LTgiants
05-25-2011, 11:57 PM
I'm contesting a trade, shut up.

How about making a final decison on a tradehttp://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

WMD
05-26-2011, 12:14 AM
I'm still confused about my Jonas. ESPN has him as RFA but Free Agency post has him as Unrestricted *.. but I was wondering that the * was for? can I match any offer?

fenikz
05-26-2011, 12:20 AM
I believe the * means he doesn't have enough years in the NBA to become a FA but he also doesn't have a contract, basically making him a RFA

Brodeur
05-26-2011, 12:51 AM
Oh yeah I didn't even realize D-Unit traded with himself and unloaded the Hedo contract on another team. Heh.

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 01:28 AM
Oh yeah I didn't even realize D-Unit traded with himself and unloaded the Hedo contract on another team. Heh.
I don't pass my own trades. That's what a trade commissioner does.

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 01:30 AM
I'm contesting a trade, shut up.

http://media.scout.com/media/avatars/8/9/bakerzach.gif

WMD
05-26-2011, 01:44 AM
I believe the * means he doesn't have enough years in the NBA to become a FA but he also doesn't have a contract, basically making him a RFA
So are you telling me I'm still in possession of my Jonas?

fenikz
05-26-2011, 03:06 PM
yes i believe so

Boris Diaw or Tyrus Thomas can be had for cheap, later pick/young role player and expiring contract/TPE

WMD
05-26-2011, 04:50 PM
Pistons are looking to trade #8.. either up or down.. or all around.. or in a Pick for Player trade.. also looking to move Benjamin Gordon and Charles Villanueva. Maxiell is up for trade, I wouldn't be against trading Austin Daye.. That is all.

CrankthatCrabtree
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
Oh yeah I didn't even realize D-Unit traded with himself and unloaded the Hedo contract on another team. Heh.

Lol....Do the people who run the forum mocks always get the biggest advantages in them on this forum?

princefielder28
05-26-2011, 05:41 PM
I think before we get too far into the draft that a list of eligible foreign born players should be created

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 05:57 PM
I think before we get too far into the draft that a list of eligible foreign born players should be created
STRIP, can you do this? You're more knowledgable on this than I am.

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 05:59 PM
Lol....Do the people who run the forum mocks always get the biggest advantages in them on this forum?
How do I get an advantage if I pass it through the trade commish?

Trolling is an infraction btw.

LTgiants
05-26-2011, 06:03 PM
I think before we get too far into the draft that a list of eligible foreign born players should be created

Off the top of my head

Enes Kanter
Jan Vesely
Bismack Biyombo
Donatas Motiejunas
Jonas Valanciunas
Lucas Nogueira
Nikola Mirotic
Davis Bertans

I am sure there are more but I cant think of any

SeanTaylorRIP
05-26-2011, 06:05 PM
Yeah I'll come up with the list, problem is if we should include guys like Nogueira who are almost certain to withdraw, also whispers of Jonas withdrawing although it would be suprising to me since he's a top 10 lock.

LTgiants
05-26-2011, 06:10 PM
I just made a list on the last page off the top of my head and included Nogueira

DJC
05-26-2011, 06:45 PM
Waiting to here back on a trade before I decide who I want at #3. Taking offers for the pick still.

fenikz
05-26-2011, 06:55 PM
Lakers looking to use Sasha Vujacic's TPE($5,475,113) in a package with Artest or either PG to upgrade the position

SeanTaylorRIP
05-26-2011, 06:58 PM
You can't really trade exceptions. The phrase trade is misused. You can use the exception to get a player and take them off someone's books but you can't really trade them. You can't combine an exception with anything else.

fenikz
05-26-2011, 06:59 PM
Suns traded a 2nd round pick and part of Amar'e exception for Hakim Warrick & Josh Childress

SeanTaylorRIP
05-26-2011, 07:03 PM
Suns traded a 2nd round pick and part of Amar'e exception for Hakim Warrick & Josh Childress

Not exactly the Suns traded a 2nd round pick for Warrick and used the exception to take him in because they were over the cap.

fenikz
05-26-2011, 07:04 PM
i dont see the difference

SeanTaylorRIP
05-26-2011, 07:06 PM
i dont see the difference

for example the Cavs have a 14.5 mil trade exception from Lebron. That means they can acquire a player up to that amount even if they are over the cap. For example they can trade JJ Hickson(1 mil a year) for say Marvin Williams(8 mil a year). They would then have 6.5 mil left in their exception for the 7 mil difference. You can't howver transfer the 14.5 mil exception to another team. You can't trade the exception for a first round pick for example.

Brodeur
05-26-2011, 07:07 PM
How do I get an advantage if I pass it through the trade commish?

Trolling is an infraction btw.

Being D-Unit is the biggest infraction of them all.

fenikz
05-26-2011, 07:08 PM
for example the Cavs have a 14.5 mil trade exception from Lebron. That means they can acquire a player up to that amount even if they are over the cap. For example they can trade JJ Hickson(1 mil a year) for say Marvin Williams(8 mil a year). They would then have 6.5 mil left in their exception for the 7 mil difference. You can't howver transfer the 14.5 mil exception to another team. You can't trade the exception for a first round pick for example.

seems entirely irrelevant to me, but good to know i guess

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 07:13 PM
Being D-Unit is the biggest infraction of them all.
Guess what I told STRIP about an hour ago... I told him to reject the Kaman trade. I think it's better to reject it than to defend it against such angst. It's not a big deal to me. As for your comment... insert side joke: "OK".

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 07:15 PM
Chris Kaman and his $12M expiring contract can be had for a SF.

Brodeur
05-26-2011, 07:28 PM
Guess what I told STRIP about an hour ago... I told him to reject the Kaman trade. I think it's better to reject it than to defend it against such angst. It's not a big deal to me. As for your comment... insert side joke: "OK".

http://oi53.tinypic.com/258qmg5.jpg

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 07:34 PM
http://oi53.tinypic.com/258qmg5.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f273/Cristian619/Misc%206/35c4x7t.gif

fenikz
05-26-2011, 07:51 PM
why did you have to make the Amnesty Clause deadline so early, now after i've had a chance to make moves i wanna use it

LTgiants
05-26-2011, 07:55 PM
I didn't even get a chance to use it cause I forgot about the deadline

Docta
05-26-2011, 08:07 PM
Off the top of my head

Enes Kanter
Jan Vesely
Bismack Biyombo
Donatas Motiejunas
Jonas Valanciunas
Lucas Nogueira
Nikola Mirotic
Davis Bertans

I am sure there are more but I cant think of any
+

Bojan Bogdanovic
Furkan Aldemir
Xavi Rabaseda
Giori Shermadini
Joffrey Lauvergne
Leon Radosevic
Milan Macvan
Nihad Djedovic
Antoine Diot
Tomislav Zubcic
Robin Benzing
Adam Hanga
Chu Chu Maduabum
Andrew Albicy
Pablo Aguilar

CrankthatCrabtree
05-26-2011, 08:13 PM
How do I get an advantage if I pass it through the trade commish?

Trolling is an infraction btw.

No mean to troll...just trying to get an idea of how forum mocks work around here. Don't think I am saying anything offensive or "troll" like

It just seems like there have been 3 unrealistic/questionable trades so far and the only one that got rejected is the one that didn't involve one of the leaders of this forum mock.

EDIT: I know see the Hedo trade has been rejected. Makes sense given that the Parker trade was rejected, but if you guys are rejecting trades then the Iggy one should be as well. Just to be fair.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-26-2011, 08:14 PM
Me and Princefielder have agreed to rescind our trade. Iguodala is back on the market, pm PF to offer for Iggy.

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 08:17 PM
No mean to troll...just trying to get an idea of how forum mocks work around here. Don't think I am saying anything offensive or "troll" like

It just seems like there have been 3 unrealistic/questionable trades so far and the only one that got rejected is the one that didn't involve one of the leaders of this forum mock.
Are you saying unrealistic type trades don't happen in the NBA?

When you try to infer that unrealistic trades happen because of the ones running it, that's an offense to the guys running it.

STRIP rejected my trades. Not everything has been posted as "rejects". I even rejected one of his today where the Wizards were getting Al Jefferson. So don't let your assumptions mislead you.

CrankthatCrabtree
05-26-2011, 08:17 PM
Well, good job guys. Usually the heads of forum mocks ive been apart of other boards are massive d-bags, but you guys actually listened to the members. Job well done!

CrankthatCrabtree
05-26-2011, 08:18 PM
Are you saying unrealistic type trades don't happen in the NBA?

No, was moreso just saying that either all trades should be let through or that all ridiculous trades should be rejected. Consistency is most important imo

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 08:22 PM
Me and Princefielder have agreed to rescind our trade. Iguodala is back on the market, pm PF to offer for Iggy.
This place is run by the asylum. :)

Bosanac01
05-26-2011, 08:25 PM
I was waiting for Nihad Djedovic to be eligible for a very long time. Glad to see if he'll be drafted.

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 08:28 PM
No, was moreso just saying that either all trades should be let through or that all ridiculous trades should be rejected. Consistency is most important imo
Yeah, but in real life you have both.... *shrugs*

The goal here is to keep it fun for everyone, so that's ultimately why we backtracked. It's not worth the time and effort if it only makes people upset.

LTgiants
05-26-2011, 08:34 PM
I think you should have kept both deals but w/e

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 08:40 PM
To go with the recent "realistic" theme, I'm not making Arenas an amnesty clause player. Rich Devos isn't gonna pay $60M to Arenas for half a season's worth.

Changing the Amnesty to Hedo Turkoglu.

fenikz
05-26-2011, 08:44 PM
so we can still do amnesty stuff?

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 08:50 PM
so we can still do amnesty stuff?
No. The change I made was made in the spirit of keeping this real. Hell, I would love it if the Magic used it on Arenas. This was an undo move, not a new move.

WMD
05-26-2011, 09:00 PM
Don't worry about keeping things realistic, people were just complaining about the trades being a little lopsided.

fenikz
05-26-2011, 09:10 PM
just wondering why? not like we can start FA until the draft is over that should be the deadline

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 09:20 PM
just wondering why? not like we can start FA until the draft is over that should be the deadline
Because when the last CBA was agreed upon in 2005, teams also had a short window to declare their amnesty players. If we opened up the Amnesty after/during the draft then the players getting cut would get jacked up. Potential suitors would be eliminated with moves made in the draft. In our case, the draft AND trades. It's not fair to the players getting cut to scramble to find new teams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2112912

Q: What is the deadline for capitalizing on this provision?

A: The window for releasing an amnesty player opened when the new labor agreement took effect Aug. 2 and ends Monday at midnight. At the urging of the union and various teams, the deadline was brought forward to Aug. 15 from Oct. 1 so amnesty players aren't shut out of the free-agent market all summer and left scrambling for a new team two days before training camps start.

D-Unit
05-26-2011, 09:21 PM
Don't worry about keeping things realistic, people were just complaining about the trades being a little lopsided.
This is why I love you so.

fenikz
05-26-2011, 10:11 PM
still dont see the point of why you did it that way

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 01:08 AM
still dont see the point of why you did it that way
Oh. Well, we're just trying to be reasonable. If we let you guys make all your trades and draft picks and stuff and then let you declare your amnesty player later, then that's manipulating the game more than mimicking reality.

In reality, teams had a very short period to declare their amnesty players...giving the players fair time to get picked up by new teams. I hope the majority can understand that. Sorry fenikz.

Bosanac01
05-27-2011, 01:50 AM
I'm looking to move Ramon Sessions and/or Baron Davis for a SF.


Also anyone want Antwan Jamison?

fenikz
05-27-2011, 01:59 AM
Oh. Well, we're just trying to be reasonable. If we let you guys make all your trades and draft picks and stuff and then let you declare your amnesty player later, then that's manipulating the game more than mimicking reality.

In reality, teams had a very short period to declare their amnesty players...giving the players fair time to get picked up by new teams. I hope the majority can understand that. Sorry fenikz.

but these rules dont apply to you as you changed it from Arenas to Hedo
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D-Unit
05-27-2011, 02:24 AM
but these rules dont apply to you as you changed it from Arenas to Hedo
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What? Do you think I did myself a favor??? I would glady change it back. But just like the trades that were unrealistic were turned back, I thought this should too. It would be better for the Magic if they got rid of Arenas' ugly contract. It was better for me to have Arenas off the books. I'm not doing something to my benefit if that's the impression you have.

I just don't realistically think the owner of the Magic is going to pay Arenas $60M+ just to get off the team and ultimately only get a 1/2 season rental out of him. More of a fantasy for me than a real expectation. So it's not a good example for you to use that as justification on why the Amnesty deadline should change.

Why didn't you do it when you had the chance?

How does the majority feel? I don't want to be the bad guy. This is supposed to be fun. If no one cares, then I don't care.

fenikz
05-27-2011, 02:51 AM
Bobcats had no C at the time, but now I have acquired Fropez and Thabeet, makes Diop a ideal candidate for that.

deals take time to do, but no one had any time before your deadline

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 03:00 AM
Bobcats had no C at the time, but now I have acquired Fropez and Thabeet, makes Diop a ideal candidate for that.

deals take time to do, but no one had any time before your deadline
So you don't see how you're trying to manipulate the game for your benefit?

The deadline was set in the same manner that the last Amnesty was set. A short period to make declarations immediately upon agreement of the new CBA. If teams could make trades and draft players before declaring their Amnesty players, then the players getting cut would have been at a severe disadvantage. The player's union wouldn't have tolerated that. Your reasoning is the exact purpose for the deadline.

princefielder28
05-27-2011, 07:34 AM
i have to work all day so if we get to my pick(s) or someone wants to text me about a deal for Iggy just hit me up at 920.655.7932

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 08:27 AM
Irving+Knight? hmm..That's a hella small backcourt.

Bosanac01
05-27-2011, 12:11 PM
Irving+Knight? hmm..That's a hella small backcourt.

Golden State of the East.

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 01:24 PM
Golden State of the East.
Golden State is not the ideal model to mimick.

I was guessing that trade talks fell through and you drafted Knight with intentions to trade him.

You might end up being the Timberwolves of the East.

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 01:34 PM
Magic have a $6.3M Trade Exception willing to trade for a serviceable player. It will help to clear cap when FA opens.

Also selling Bass, Anderson and Jameer for cheap.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 02:28 PM
So where are all these great deals you all would have offered for Iggy?

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 02:34 PM
I can't even give Kaman away for free.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 02:36 PM
I think it was the right thing to do to rescind my trade because it was lopsided the only funny thing is everyone came in saying how they would offer so much more for Iggy yet PF can't find a great trade.

fenikz
05-27-2011, 02:59 PM
well i traded for Captain Jack already but maybe i can still work out a deal

Brodeur
05-27-2011, 05:55 PM
I think it was the right thing to do to rescind my trade because it was lopsided the only funny thing is everyone came in saying how they would offer so much more for Iggy yet PF can't find a great trade.

There, just offered one as the Pacers.

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 06:02 PM
There, just offered one as the Pacers.
Ah so you basically complained loud enough so that you could get him. Got it.

Brodeur
05-27-2011, 06:04 PM
I actually wasn't going to go for him douchenozzle, but WMD sort of pushed me into it.

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 06:06 PM
I actually wasn't going to go for him douchenozzle, but WMD sort of pushed me into it.
Don't be a cop out. Just own it. "WMD pushed me into it...." Be a man.

fenikz
05-27-2011, 06:07 PM
how does one be a cop out

Brodeur
05-27-2011, 06:08 PM
D-Unit is a little bit slow.

WMD
05-27-2011, 06:08 PM
I actually wasn't going to go for him douchenozzle, but WMD sort of pushed me into it.
Don't bring me into this, ************.

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 06:13 PM
D-Unit is a little bit slow.
No you're just a little bit angry because I figured you out. ;)

I ain't gonna stop you or anything. Go for it.

Brodeur
05-27-2011, 06:24 PM
I hope you fall into a pit of lava.

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 06:32 PM
I hope you fall into a pit of lava.
Been there. Done that. The volcano spit me out.

hahahahaa.

PS. Our love for each other will never end b. Until the day AIM dies, we are 2 peas in a pod. :)

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 07:50 PM
Orlando looking to trade for a pick between 18 and 30. Everything outside of Howard can be had.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 08:36 PM
ok Broduer you raped my offer.

D-Unit
05-27-2011, 08:43 PM
ok Broduer you raped my offer.
Yeah, that's a good trade. Nice work b.

Brodeur
05-27-2011, 09:10 PM
Only loss there is Psycho T really, but Iggy is a perfect compliment to Kevin Martin so I figured I might as well do it. Now I just need a power forward...

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 09:15 PM
Paul George has a ton of potential, I'd consider him a bigger loss than Tyler as Hansborough will always be limited, still though since you are trading for Iggy having George wasn't important. Your Pacers squad would be a stud PF away from being a conteder.

Brodeur
05-27-2011, 09:25 PM
I've never really cared for Paul George, so it wasn't much of a loss to me.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 09:25 PM
Looking to move Kirk Hinrich and his 8 mil expiring for a quality SF.


BTW props to PrinceFielder, he ended up turning Andre Iguodala into Tyler Hansborough, Paul George, Andray Blatche, pick #34, and a 2012 first rounder.

WMD
05-27-2011, 09:31 PM
Paul George has a ton of potential, I'd consider him a bigger loss than Tyler as Hansborough will always be white,

Fixed. dont highlight

LTgiants
05-27-2011, 09:31 PM
Looking to move Kirk Hinrich and his 8 mil expiring for a quality SF.


BTW props to PrinceFielder, he ended up turning Andre Iguodala into Tyler Hansborough, Paul George, Andray Blatche, pick #34, and a 2012 first rounder.

I thought you took Blatche back?

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 09:34 PM
Just traded Blatche+34 for #15.

BTW Wizards cap number is 15.5 mil!! No one's getting Nick Young, plus I've got to say I'm pretty much the favorite to land Jeff Green as my starting SF.

WMD
05-27-2011, 09:41 PM
Just traded Blatche+34 for #15.

BTW Wizards cap number is 15.5 mil!! No one's getting Nick Young, plus I've got to say I'm pretty much the favorite to land Jeff Green as my starting SF.
I thought he was Restricted?

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 09:43 PM
I can offer him a contract Boston won't be able to match. Not just talking about this mock but in real life Washington has to be a favorite for Jeff Green. They can offer him the most money, they need a SF, Jeff Green wants to be a star SF, he played college ball at verizon center and grew up near D.C., the fit just makes too much sense. I mean Boston already has 56 mil invested in their big 4 so I suppose they could match an offer, but that would be a hell of a luxury tax.

LTgiants
05-27-2011, 09:45 PM
Andray Blatche for Pick 16 why?

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 09:46 PM
Andray Blatche for Pick 16 why?

It was 34+Blatche for 15. Dont' tell me you think that's too much for Blatche.

LTgiants
05-27-2011, 09:48 PM
It was 34+Blatche for 15. Dont' tell me you think that's too much for Blatche.

Indy has 15 and Philly has 16.

I wouldn't trade a top 20 pick for Blatche but that is just me I guess.

Brodeur
05-27-2011, 09:48 PM
What's the salary cap going to be? I need to know for a certain FA I require.

LTgiants
05-27-2011, 09:49 PM
What's the salary cap going to be? I need to know for a certain FA I require.

55 Million Dollars !!!!!!!1

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 09:56 PM
Indy has 15 and Philly has 16.

I wouldn't trade a top 20 pick for Blatche but that is just me I guess.

Philly got 15 in the Iggy trade. They are trading the 15th pick for Blatche and one of the first picks in the 2nd round, give me a break. Blatche will be a starter for them. Yeah Blatche can be lazy but you don't score as consistently as he does by luck. He actually is very skilled and if someone can turn his motor on he can be a 20+10 guy.

LTgiants
05-27-2011, 09:59 PM
Philly got 15 in the Iggy trade. They are trading the 15th pick for Blatche and one of the first picks in the 2nd round, give me a break. Blatche will be a starter for them. Yeah Blatche can be lazy but you don't score as consistently as he does by luck. He actually is very skilled and if someone can turn his motor on he can be a 20+10 guy.

True forgot about Iggy.

I am just not a Blatche guy don't feel he is worth the risk rather would start Hansbrough if I was Philly and use the 15th pick elsewhere.

I am not vetoing your deal you and PF can do what ever you want these are your teams.

scottyboy
05-27-2011, 10:22 PM
anyone who wants Outlaw, Petro or other peoples not names DWill hit me up.
it will also be difficult to get Morrow due to my man crush on him

LTgiants
05-27-2011, 11:23 PM
I wanted Biyombo too fall dam.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 11:23 PM
Love the Biyombo pick he's my #1 international player on my board, kid is going to be a big time rebounder and shot blocker, high motor and elite physical tools. I've heard people compare Biyombo to Thabeet but that's bogus. Thabeet is slow footed, Biyombo much like Ibaka runs like a guard. Most importantly unlike most international players he has an incredible motor. Probably never becomes great offensively, but he definitely has Tyson Chandler type potential. Love how you are building the Jazz from the interior. incredible front line. Michael Beasley, Paul Milsap, Derrick Favors, Josh Smith, Bismack Biyombo, that's a ton of versatility both offensively and defensively. I can see a problem with getting everyone minutes but you can still use Milsap or Favors to get a guard, plus you have another lottery pick, anyways Biyombo should be brought along slowly.

Brodeur
05-27-2011, 11:40 PM
Could use an actual center in there somewhere.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2011, 11:45 PM
Could use an actual center in there somewhere.

That's a misconception though, you don't really need a great center in this league. You just need someone for spot up minutes in certain situations. Look at the Hawks they didn't lose because they didn't have a center they lost because their star is overrated and they lack post up game. But look they managed to beat the Orlando Magic and the best center in the game. There are very few teams you need a true center to beat. Orlando and Lakers come to mind but look at the final 4 teams in the league, you don't need a good center to beat them. I wouldnt' have any problem putting Josh Smith or Biyombo against Joel Anthony, Joakim Noah, Kendrick Perkins, or Tyson Chandler, none of them will ever score more than 15 points even if a guard was guarding them. There are so few centers in this league who can score consistently that having a true center is not that important, you can skate by on a veteran big body if the rest of your roster is good.

scottyboy
05-27-2011, 11:51 PM
Kinda looking to deal Farmar for a backup big man. shoot me some offers

WMD
05-27-2011, 11:59 PM
Anyone interested in moving up to #8?

I'm not looking to trade down too far though.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 12:26 AM
alrite ya'll i'm gonna head to bed, just pm me any trades i'll check them in the morning.

diabsoule
05-28-2011, 12:32 AM
I'm putting David West on the trade block and taking Trevor Ariza off

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 02:48 PM
Smash and Dash hasn't posted in any of the threads yet and actually hasn't had a post on the forums since he signed up for this mock last week, that worries me.

fenikz
05-28-2011, 02:52 PM
ya i sent him a pm a few days ago and got no reply either, id honestly just assume he isn't gonna make a pick

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 02:53 PM
I'll take the Warriors if D decides to remove him.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 03:13 PM
Since Fenikz and LTgiants picks 13+14 are here, if the #12 pick(DJC) shows up I'll take over the Warriors and pick for them.

WMD
05-28-2011, 03:24 PM
The Kings are an asshole.

LTgiants
05-28-2011, 03:26 PM
The Kings are an asshole.

EJC2_Z1BAwg

fenikz
05-28-2011, 03:27 PM
Did we ever settle on a international player list?

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 03:33 PM
The official list of INT players still in the draft are:

Andrew Albicy
Furkan Aldemir
Davis Bertans
Bismack Biyombo
Nihad Djedovic
Emmanouil Koukoulas
Joffrey Lauvergne
Abdoulaye Loum
Ater Majok
Nikola Mirotic
Donatas Montiejunas
Lucas Nogueira
Femi Oladippo
Leon Radosevic
Negueba Samake
Tornike Shengelia
Abdel Kader Sylla
Jeremy Tyler
Jonas Valenciunas
Jan Vesely
Max Zhang
Jonas Wohlfarth Bottermann
Tomislav Zubcic

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 03:41 PM
I've taken the Warriors will put up the pick if DJC comes, feel free to offer something to the Warriors.

fenikz
05-28-2011, 04:19 PM
Good pick with Thompson, Warriors are a team that's hard for me to judge. Besides him there is a guy who i think would be a perfect fit but probably a reach at this point even though he might be a lottery pick come draft day

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 04:22 PM
I know who you are talking about but beside David Lee I think you want someone with some potential offensively in the post. They are hoping Epke Udoh develops into that defensive stopper and rebounder. Really the Warriors are going no where until they decide to trade Curry or Ellis, but they aren't going to do that any time soon. At the very least if Thompson develops sooner than later they can always contend for that 8 spot and be hella exciting.

D-Unit
05-28-2011, 04:31 PM
I'll take the Warriors if D decides to remove him.
Take 'em brah.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 04:38 PM
Will trade Andris Biedrins for just about any SF or SG.

fenikz
05-28-2011, 06:14 PM
we gotta get a clock going for the draft or something

WMD
05-28-2011, 06:17 PM
I thought we were supposed to have one starting today.

Brodeur
05-28-2011, 06:18 PM
Does anyone have a good power forward they can give me? I have cap room and wings and stuff (as the Pacers, nobody cares about the Raptors).

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 06:32 PM
Andris Biedrins!

Brodeur
05-28-2011, 06:34 PM
I said PF. Biedrins/Hibbert would be ugly.

LTgiants
05-28-2011, 06:56 PM
Give me Bargs if you dont care about the Raptors

D-Unit
05-28-2011, 06:58 PM
I wanted to go with a clock today. How many hours do you want to allow?

fenikz
05-28-2011, 07:06 PM
maybe like 3 hours til the end of the lottery 2 hours til the end of the 1st then 1 hour for the 2nd round?

LTgiants
05-28-2011, 07:23 PM
DJC again steals my pick

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 07:28 PM
If you don't end up adding a PG through free agency or trade, I'd honestly start Burks over Flynn at PG.

LTgiants
05-28-2011, 07:32 PM
#14 is available I am willing to listen to offers

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 07:32 PM
Donuts! love the pick Fenikz. Huge fan of Monty. IMO he's been overanalyzed because he's been on the draft radar for so long, there is no reason with his skill set that he can't be a 15+7 player sooner rather than later. Perfect fit for the Suns.

fenikz
05-28-2011, 07:34 PM
its for the bobcats, pick was traded for Stephen Jackson, dunit just hasnt updated the draft thread

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 07:36 PM
gotcha, still good fit with Lopez who has zero offensive ability.

LTgiants
05-28-2011, 07:38 PM
Anyone want to trade up for #14?

fenikz
05-28-2011, 07:38 PM
and potentially you could see him slide to C and Vesley to PF as they grow into their bodies

D-Unit
05-28-2011, 08:00 PM
maybe like 3 hours til the end of the lottery 2 hours til the end of the 1st then 1 hour for the 2nd round?
Done, done and DONE! Go go go!!!

STRIP, if they miss their picks, make it for them.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 08:02 PM
Done, done and DONE! Go go go!!!

STRIP, if they miss their picks, make it for them.

wait has the clock started? and when is it off?

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 08:07 PM
Nice on the singleton pick Giants, I always mock him to the Rockets, I know you were looking for a SG, but he was the right pick to make.


BTW Love how I landed Kanter and Marcus Morris for the Wizards. Kind of glad now the Iguodala trade was recsinded. Definitely more realistic. The Wizards now have a ton of great young players and the most cap room. I honestly see a lot of Caron Butler in Marcus Morris if he can trim down some. Neither are overly quick or fast, but they have great strength, a face up game, and solid jump shots.

D-Unit
05-28-2011, 08:09 PM
wait has the clock started? and when is it off?
Whenevs... Be reasonable. This is Memorial Day weekend.

scottyboy
05-28-2011, 08:10 PM
Farmar is on the block for a big. I know someone wants a PG

WMD
05-28-2011, 08:10 PM
Farmar is on the block for a big. I know someone wants a PG
But what does that have to do with Farmar?

fenikz
05-28-2011, 08:10 PM
Nice on the singleton pick Giants, I always mock him to the Rockets, I know you were looking for a SG, but he was the right pick to make.


BTW Love how I landed Kanter and Marcus Morris for the Wizards. Kind of glad now the Iguodala trade was recsinded. Definitely more realistic. The Wizards now have a ton of great young players and the most cap room. I honestly see a lot of Caron Butler in Marcus Morris if he can trim down some. Neither are overly quick or fast, but they have great strength, a face up game, and solid jump shots.

Singleton was who i was referring to for GS

SeanTaylorRIP
05-28-2011, 08:56 PM
Haha other than Javale Mcgee and Nick Young my entire roster is first rounders from 2010+2011

PG: John Wall
SG: Nick Young/Jordan Crawford
SF: Marcus Morris
PF: Enes Kanter/Trevor Booker
C: Javale Mcgee/Kevin Seraphin