Michael Turner to the Packers?

[49ersfan_87]

RUMORS FLY OF TURNER TO PACKERS
We continue to hear rumors from media sources of a possible trade of Chargers running back to the Green Bay Packers.
Turner, a restricted free agent, has been tendered at the highest possible level. Signing him to an offer sheet would subject his team to the sacrifice of a first-round pick and a third-round pick in next month's draft. Earlier this week, Falcons quarterback Matt Schaub, who had carried the same restriction as Turner, was traded to the Texans.
The Packers definitely have a need at the tailback position, given the departure of Ahman Green, who like Schaub will play in 2007 for Houston. The only other running backs with experience on the roster are Vernand Morency and Noah Herron.
Turner is a highly-regarded backup to NFL MVP LaDainian Tomlinson. But the reality for the Chargers is that, if he plays for the team in 2007, he'll be completely unrestricted in 2008.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

From PFT so take it for what its worth

[sdpads24]

I wouldn't mind that at all. A chance at either Nelson or Landry would be great

[bearsfan_51]

I wouldn't mind that at all. A chance at either Nelson or Landry would be great

Where do you get anywhere from there that they would give their first for him?

Don't get me wrong, as a Bears fan I would **** my pants if the Packers were stupid enough to give up a 1st for Turner, but I think that's wishful thinking.

[Moses]

I don't really see what the Packers would give up to get Turner. They don't have much ammunition on the roster and they more than likely don't want to get rid of draft picks.

[Vince Lombardi]

From what I've seen I really like Turner, but whether I like the trade or not depends on what we would have to give up.

How do those of you who have seen Turner play alot think he'll fit in a zone blocking scheme?

[GB12]

Someone in the Packers thread posted a rumor that they would swap firsts and thirds.

[princefielder28]

If they gave up a 1st and a 3rd for Turner alone that would be a BIG time mistake by Green Bay

[lod01]

I don't really see what the Packers would give up to get Turner. They don't have much ammunition on the roster and they more than likely don't want to get rid of draft picks.

Not for a 1st and a 3rd. That's ridiculous for Turner. If SD changes their demands, maybe.

[Vince Lombardi]

Where do you get anywhere from there that they would give their first for him?

Don't get me wrong, as a Bears fan I would **** my pants if the Packers were stupid enough to give up a 1st for Turner, but I think that's wishful thinking.

If TT values Turner more than say, Marshawn Lynch, it could be a possibilty, though definitely not our 1st and 3rd. That said, I don't know enough about Turner to think that he'd be valued that high. I would think a 2nd rounder or higher may be a possibility.

[Splat]

They won't give up a first they will work some thing else out if the deal goes done.

[Moses]

I can't see Ted Thompson trading draft picks. He would rather build through the draft.

[jackalope]

I definitely don't want to give up our 1st for him. that would be terrible. Swapping 1st and 3rds would be alright but I'm still not too big on the idea.

[princefielder28]

I can't see Ted Thompson trading draft picks. He would rather build through the draft.

Right on!!!!!!

[sdpads24]

I meant that we would give Turner to the Packers along with the #30 pick for the #16

[San Diego Chicken]

In AJ's first offseason press conference, he wasn't committed to saying Turner will be a Charger in 07 and mentioned all the different ways they could go with him. If it was for #16 and a third, with Turner and #30 to GB, that puts the Chargers in range for Reggie Nelson and all the players in the mix for the #2 WR, be that Meachem, Bowe or Ginn. The Chargers would also have a second and a three thirds. It seems like more draft picks than the team really needs, so the team can move up higher in the second round, or perhaps back into the first, to get whoever they covet (say it was Nelson in the first, it could be Hill in the 2nd, or if it was Ginn in the first, it could be Merriweather or Weddle in the 2nd). Sounds good to me, but I still think AJ would lean more towards keeping Turner than trading him at this moment.

[draftguru151]

Not for a 1st and a 3rd. That's ridiculous for Turner. If SD changes their demands, maybe.

That isn't there demands, it is just the RFA tender. What the Packers are offering was never mentioned in that post. I could see them swapping 1st rounders or GB sending over their 2nd. Turner is better than all the 2nd round backs and not much older.

[bearsfan_51]

In AJ's first offseason press conference, he wasn't committed to saying Turner will be a Charger in 07 and mentioned all the different ways they could go with him. If it was for #16 and a third, with Turner and #30 to GB, that puts the Chargers in range for Reggie Nelson and all the players in the mix for the #2 WR, be that Meachem, Bowe or Ginn. The Chargers would also have a second and a three thirds. It seems like more draft picks than the team really needs, so the team can move up higher in the second round, or perhaps back into the first, to get whoever they covet (say it was Nelson in the first, it could be Hill in the 2nd, or if it was Ginn in the first, it could be Merriweather or Weddle in the 2nd). Sounds good to me, but I still think AJ would lean more towards keeping Turner than trading him at this moment.
Nobody is going to make that trade.

[San Diego Chicken]

Nobody is going to make that trade.

What is Turner worth then? If his value is much less, it's not worth the Chargers time.

[bearsfan_51]

What is Turner worth then? If his value is much less, it's not worth the Chargers time.

He has one more year on the team. You're asking for the value of a 1st round pick for a backup runningback that you're going to have for one more year.

Granted the Falcons fleeced the Texans but there are a few differences.

1)The Packers (unfortunately) aren't that stupid.
2)Teams take chances on QB's all the time. Runningbacks aren't worth nearly as much.
3)While Turner is a hot name, I would argue that the buzz around Schaub was even higher (albeit unjustifiably)

[bored of education]

Is the situation similar to the Schaub (minus the positional different between the two). I'm guessing Turner's value is less.

[The Unseen]

no no no no no nooooo please no

[San Diego Chicken]

He has one more year on the team. You're asking for the value of a 1st round pick for a backup runningback that you're going to have for one more year.

Granted the Falcons fleeced the Texans but there are a few differences.

1)The Packers (unfortunately) aren't that stupid.
2)Teams take chances on QB's all the time. Runningbacks aren't worth nearly as much.
3)While Turner is a hot name, I would argue that the buzz around Schaub was even higher (albeit unjustifiably)


According to the value chart, a trade down in the first, and an extra third, has the value of a high second. I could, hypothetically, see a team doing this to obtain Turner's rights to lock him up long term, rather than compete with a myriad of teams next year in a bidding war. Besides, Green Bay needs a strong runner this year, not next year. This year's draft doesn't look very strong for second round backs, if that's what GB is targeting.

[princefielder28]

Is the situation similar to the Schaub (minus the positional different between the two). I'm guessing Turner's value is less.

That would be valid.

[bigbluedefense]

Nobody's gonna give you anything more than a round 2 pick for a RB that will be a FA in a year anyway. Nobody is that dumb. You'll be lucky to even get a 3rd for him. Shaun Alexander didn't go for a 2nd, what makes you think Turner will with only 1 year left on his contract? Not happening.

[Big Mike]

I dont wanna see him on such a boring team like green bay.. i'd rather see him on a team like Tennessee or sumn but i guess noone else needs an RB

[bearsfan_51]

According to the value chart, a trade down in the first, and an extra third, has the value of a high second. I could, hypothetically, see a team doing this to obtain Turner's rights to lock him up long term, rather than compete with a myriad of teams next year in a bidding war. Besides, Green Bay needs a strong runner this year, not next year. This year's draft doesn't look very strong for second round backs, if that's what GB is targeting.
I dunno what chart you're using but I have a late 1st.

Either way, runningbacks are not like quarterbacks. Nobody is that concerned with "locking up his rights" when you can just sign somebody else or draft another guy in the 3rd or 4th round that could likely get you the same type of production.

GM's regard most runningbacks like they do washcloths nowadays.

I realize that you're a Chargers fan and you want to get as much as you can, I just don't see it happening.

I would say a mid 2nd is possible (or the swapping of the two 1sts). Anything more than that is stupid. But...it only takes one stupid GM (see Houston) so you are correct in saying that it potentially could happen.

[San Diego Chicken]

Nobody's gonna give you anything more than a round 2 pick for a RB that will be a FA in a year anyway. Nobody is that dumb. You'll be lucky to even get a 3rd for him. Shaun Alexander didn't go for a 2nd, what makes you think Turner will with only 1 year left on his contract? Not happening.

It's sort of a take it or leave it situation. AJ isn't surrendering Turner for peanuts, otherwise he wouldn't have tendered him for a 1st and a 3rd.

[bigbluedefense]

It's sort of a take it or leave it situation. AJ isn't surrendering Turner for peanuts, otherwise he wouldn't have tendered him for a 1st and a 3rd.

I know, but I think if someone offered him a late 2nd on draft day, he'd be hard pressed to refuse it. He knows he can't afford to resign Turner at the end of the year, so he might as well get something out of it rather than nothing.

He could technically in turn use that pick to get a Kenny Irons type of RB and not miss a beat.

[princefielder28]

I know, but I think if someone offered him a late 2nd on draft day, he'd be hard pressed to refuse it. He knows he can't afford to resign Turner at the end of the year, so he might as well get something out of it rather than nothing.

He could technically in turn use that pick to get a Kenny Irons type of RB and not miss a beat.

Yeah, it's better to get something than to just see him walk

[Paranoidmoonduck]

There's been some talk that the Chargers have lowered their asking price to a 2nd rounder (a swapping of 1st rounder, like guru suggested, would also be possible I'm betting). If this is the case, I think Green Bay needs to make the deal.

Unless they deal up, something I don't believe Thompson has ever done in the 1st round, they probably aren't going to land either Lynch or Peterson. This leaves them with a massive hole at runningback, and Turner would probably be a solid fit in Green Bay.

[San Diego Chicken]

I dunno what chart you're using but I have a late 1st.

Either way, runningbacks are not like quarterbacks. Nobody is that concerned with "locking up his rights" when you can just sign somebody else or draft another guy in the 3rd or 4th round that could likely get you the same type of production.

GM's regard most runningbacks like they do washcloths nowadays.

I realize that you're a Chargers fan and you want to get as much as you can, I just don't see it happening.

I would say a mid 2nd is possible (or the swapping of the two 1sts). Anything more than that is stupid. But...it only takes one stupid GM (see Houston) so you are correct in saying that it potentially could happen.


It should all be the same chart -

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

The difference in #16 and #30, plus #80, is 570, which puts you right between the #33 and #34 picks in the second round. If it's just a swap of thirds like some have said, that puts the value further down in the second round. So you can decide for yourself if Turner is worth a 2nd.

It's not too bad a deal for the Packers, considering they still have a first, a second, and just filled their RB need. In this draft, I think Turner is worth it; color me biased, but I think Turner at 5'10'', 235 pounds with speed and a guady career YPC is better than Michael Bush, Kenny Irons, Brandon Jackson, Antonio Pittman or whoever else.

[princefielder28]

There's been some talk that the Chargers have lowered their asking price to a 2nd rounder (a swapping of 1st rounder, like guru suggested, would also be possible I'm betting). If this is the case, I think Green Bay needs to make the deal.

Unless they deal up, something I don't believe Thompson has ever done in the 1st round, they probably aren't going to land either Lynch or Peterson. This leaves them with a massive hole at runningback, and Turner would probably be a solid fit in Green Bay.

That would be their best option

[gbpackers0065]

id swap 1st's and give a 3rd for him

[princefielder28]

id swap 1st's and give a 3rd for him

But if you look at the trade value chart swapping 1st should be enough

[gbpackers0065]

But if you look at the trade value chart swapping 1st should be enough

i think AJ Smith will be reluctant to deal for that

[princefielder28]

i think AJ Smith will be reluctant to deal for that

Well then next offseason he can watch Turner walk away for nothing

[draftguru151]

I'd take Turner over all the backs this year other than Peterson and Lynch. I don't see the switch 1st and give up a 3rd as realistic because his value is more of a mid second. The best I can see them getting is switching 1st and 3rd with someone.

[CC.SD]

Where do you get anywhere from there that they would give their first for him?

Don't get me wrong, as a Bears fan I would **** my pants if the Packers were stupid enough to give up a 1st for Turner, but I think that's wishful thinking.

You would regret that **** my friend. Turner is a beast, I think any team would hate to see him enter their division. I guarantee that if Turner is a starter this coming year, he has a bigger impact than any rookie RB other than maybe AD.

[Pit Bull #53]

There's been some talk that the Chargers have lowered their asking price to a 2nd rounder (a swapping of 1st rounder, like guru suggested, would also be possible I'm betting). If this is the case, I think Green Bay needs to make the deal.

This was also mentioned on Sirius Thursday. They said the rumor was that the Chargers would accept a 2nd rounder.

[princefielder28]

I'd take Turner over all the backs this year other than Peterson and Lynch. I don't see the switch 1st and give up a 3rd as realistic because his value is more of a mid second. The best I can see them getting is switching 1st and 3rd with someone.

I agree that Turner is better than everyone in this draft except for the top 2

[BaLLiN]

wait didn't san diego say they wanted at least a first for him, cuz he's probably worth that

[Jim Jim]

Pretty cool, I think Michael Turner is a very talented player.

[princefielder28]

wait didn't san diego say they wanted at least a first for him, cuz he's probably worth that

He's not worth a 1st! Plus nobody would give up a 1st, they would rather wait and see if he makes it to free agency next year

[bearsfan_51]

Michael Turner = Lamont Jordan

[BaLLiN]

I'm just saying because all I saw was big runs, probably because I'm on the east coast, but I think he has potential, and Lamont Jordan is absolutely terrible, there is no way he's that bad

[sdpads24]

Lamont Jordan was pretty good as a backup. That is a fair comparison.

[bearsfan_51]

I'm just saying because all I saw was big runs, probably because I'm on the east coast, but I think he has potential, and Lamont Jordan is absolutely terrible, there is no way he's that bad
Lamont Jordan was a great backup to Curtis Martin with the Jets and was constantly involved in trade rumors. There were even people advocating cutting or forcing retirement on Curtis Martin so that they wouldn't lose Jordan.

It's easily to have a high YPC when you're only running the ball 7-8 times per game.

I personally think Turner will be a good starting runningback (and don't think Jordan is terrible either) but to assume that just because he's done well as a backup to the best runningback in the league means that he'll do as well elsewhere is unfounded.

And how old are you? Do you not remember Jordan pre-Raiders?

[roughrider30]

I dont wanna see him on such a boring team like green bay.. i'd rather see him on a team like Tennessee or sumn but i guess noone else needs an RB

What do u mean by Green Bay being a boring team? What exactly makes an NFL team boring? Just Curious.

[princefielder28]

Lamont Jordan was a great backup to Curtis Martin with the Jets and was constantly involved in trade rumors. There were even people advocating cutting or forcing retirement on Curtis Martin so that they wouldn't lose Jordan.

It's easily to have a high YPC when you're only running the ball 7-8 times per game.

I personally think Turner will be a good starting runningback (and don't think Jordan is terrible either) but to assume that just because he's done well as a backup to the best runningback in the league means that he'll do as well elsewhere is unfounded.

And how old are you? Do you not remember Jordan pre-Raiders?

That's kinda a low blow if somebody's on here and they don't remember Jordan as a Jet

[bearsfan_51]

What do u mean by Green Bay being a boring team? What exactly makes an NFL team boring? Just Curious.
Maybe he doesn't like cheese.

[cordscords]

What do u mean by Green Bay being a boring team? What exactly makes an NFL team boring? Just Curious.

I don't think the Packers are very boring either. Favre still plays with a fire, and we are a very young and improving team.

[roughrider30]

Maybe he doesn't like cheese.

who doesn't like cheese?

[johbur]

He has one more year on the team. You're asking for the value of a 1st round pick for a backup runningback that you're going to have for one more year.

Granted the Falcons fleeced the Texans but there are a few differences.

1)The Packers (unfortunately) aren't that stupid.
2)Teams take chances on QB's all the time. Runningbacks aren't worth nearly as much.
3)While Turner is a hot name, I would argue that the buzz around Schaub was even higher (albeit unjustifiably)

From your keyboard to God's monitor. I am OK with switching first and thirds as you are drafting the same number of players and picking up a good prospect at RB. Also, Packers could get a TE at the bottom of the first, or perhaps Leonard, whereas this year's TEs have dubious value in the first. TT also does not have the same value board as other teams and so he takes small-college players and unknowns higher than other teams because he believes his scouts and not combine numbers. Tony Moll went in the 5th and started ten games last year at RG/RT and wasn't even one of the 400 players profiled on this board. TT also loves to trade down, because a lot of the guys he's targeting are not rated as high on other team's boards.

[Merlin]

For what it's worth, IMO, Turner would start on a lot of teams, he's been unfortunate to be stuck behind one of the greats.

I don't pretend to know much about the Pack's team needs outside of RB, but looking at the crop of RB's in this years draft, whats not to like about getting Turner?

If I'm the Packer's GM, I'm interested.

[TitleTown088]

who doesn't like cheese?

Commies....

[toonsterwu]

The reason Tony Moll wasn't rated by many draftniks was because he made the transition late to OL. A lot of people knew about his raw skills, they just didn't know where to put him. But with a ZBS, they were willing to take a gamble on the skills and to develop him.

But back to the thread's point. I think Michael Turner is a good gamble to make if they don't think they can get either of the top 2 RB's. While he is of a similar build to LaMont Jordan and their running style is somewhat similar, Turner has a bit more pop and quickness, IMO, than Jordan (at relative physical points). I think Turner would be an excellent fit for the Packers.

What does he value at? Comparing to Schaub makes little sense outside of the RFA tender due to positioning. Also, comparatively, between positions, Schaub was valued more as a QB than Turner as a RB, IMO (but that's a hard thing to quantify, as there is no measure, so it's really just my opinion). There are some concerns with Turner, and RB's can be found.

Thomas Jones netted a swap of 2nd round picks that, depending on the draft value chart used, basically comes out as a high 3rd, although some charts may move it up to a late 2nd. Turner's upside and the fact that any team would sign him to a likely sign him to a long term deal, should bring about more value. A simple swap of 1st round picks probably isn't enough. My guess, and this is just a random guess, would be

a) a swap of 1sts, and San Diego gets the 109th

or

b) someone noted this already, a swap of 1sts and a swap of 3rds

Both equate to about the same value. If I'm San Diego, I would prefer the 2nd one. If I'm Green Bay, I'd do the first one. San Diego would get an early-mid 2nd value, while Green Bay would get a potential feature back, allowing them to wait until later to add a running back through the draft.

[myinnerself]

As a Charger fan I have had the pleasure of seeing plenty of Michael Turner, and he is a FANTASTIC back. Check out this limited highlight reel of him: http://www.dailymotion.com/jcdavey/video/x1idt5_turnburn

The kid runs so hard and never gets tackled by the first guy that hits him. Whoever gets him will be lucky, the Chargers front office and coaching staff absolutely love the kid and rave about him constantly.

[Dam8610]

Both equate to about the same value. If I'm San Diego, I would prefer the 2nd one. If I'm Green Bay, I'd do the first one. San Diego would get an early-mid 2nd value, while Green Bay would get a potential feature back, allowing them to wait until later to add a running back through the draft.

Early-mid 2nd value for Turner? Edge and Alexander couldn't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago, and Thomas Jones just fetched high 3rd-low 2nd value as you said earlier in this post. Does the fact that Turner is 25 not only completely make up for the fact that he's relatively unproven in the NFL, but make him more valuable than franchise caliber backs that are 3 years older?

[LonghornsLegend]

im glad some people are smart enough to realize that getting 8 carries behind a great back, its not hard to have a "guady" YPC, or get the long gains...


does he have potential? yes, alot of it, and he is talented...but its useless trying to post his YPC or stats in backup duty, id like to see how he does in green bay though...

on their side its smart, turner is better then every back aside from peterson who they have no chance of getting, he will have a greater impact then a late rd RB, and they need production this year...they dont seemed to be too interested in life after favre, so why not trade the picks for an impact back....package up moss, and they did a pretty nice job trying to make a final run

[Boston]

You would regret that **** my friend. Turner is a beast, I think any team would hate to see him enter their division. I guarantee that if Turner is a starter this coming year, he has a bigger impact than any rookie RB other than maybe AD.

And i love him, and I know he's going to do a super job. He is most definately worth a first and a third.

[bearsfan_51]

Commies....

That's not true at all. Cheese is the lifeblood of the proletariate.

[Thrawn]

The level of tender tells the story a lot. If they felt he was worth a 2nd rounder, they would have tendered him at that level, and would have saved a lot of money. If they thought he was just worth a first, they'd have tendered him at 1st round level and saved some money. The fact they used a 1st and 3rd says they feel he is worth more than a 1st rounder.

I see swapping 1st rounders and then additional compensation as fair trades for both sides. The question becomes what the additional compensation is. I see 3 options possible. The highest would be the packer's 2nd round pick. It could be a 3rd round pick, or it could be swapping 2nd's. I'm not sure swapping 3rds would be enough ammo.

I could potentially see the charges using additional picks to move up from 16 to the top 10 to go after Landry over Nelson as well if some form of this trade happens.

[bearsfan_51]

The level of tender tells the story a lot. If they felt he was worth a 2nd rounder, they would have tendered him at that level, and would have saved a lot of money. If they thought he was just worth a first, they'd have tendered him at 1st round level and saved some money. The fact they used a 1st and 3rd says they feel he is worth more than a 1st rounder.

I see swapping 1st rounders and then additional compensation as fair trades for both sides. The question becomes what the additional compensation is. I see 3 options possible. The highest would be the packer's 2nd round pick. It could be a 3rd round pick, or it could be swapping 2nd's. I'm not sure swapping 3rds would be enough ammo.

I could potentially see the charges using additional picks to move up from 16 to the top 10 to go after Landry over Nelson as well if some form of this trade happens.

Not really. It's more to do with what they think they could get for him, rather than what they think he's worth. The difference in money is not that big of a deal, so why wouldn't they give him the highest tender knowing that teams will have to negotiate with them, rather than dictating the price for Turner. Chances are that if they want to deal they're going to have to accept something at a 2nd round value anyway, they would just prefer to do it on their own terms.

[MP123]

The Packers aren't going to give up draft picks to get Michael Turner.

[ny10804]

Early-mid 2nd value for Turner? Edge and Alexander couldn't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago, and Thomas Jones just fetched high 3rd-low 2nd value as you said earlier in this post. Does the fact that Turner is 25 not only completely make up for the fact that he's relatively unproven in the NFL, but make him more valuable than franchise caliber backs that are 3 years older?


RBs age in dog years in the NFL. A 25 year old running back and a 28 year old running back are like a 4 year old dog in his prime with his whole life ahead of him and a 7 year old dog with a couple good years left before he reaches "do nothing all day" status, respectively.

[toonsterwu]

The tender level was only an effort to ensure maximum trade opportunities, and not necessarily what they can get.

As for Turner's value, for me, it's a factor of age, the ever-dangerous word "potential", and the realities of the market/draft. There simply aren't that many backs this year that draw a lot of attention. Everyone acknowledges that the drop from first tier to 2nd tier RB's in the draft is huge, moreso than in other years, and there's enough teams looking for running back help.

[marks01234]

Turner's value is about as high as your going to find for a running back right now.

Yes, he will be a free agent next year but good luck fighting 10-15 other teams for his services. If you can get him locked up before the trade, this is a great move.

He's still young (24 or 25) and has already shown he can be a dominant. There is no reason to think he can't carry the load. Personally, I'd take him over Marshawn Lynch. The downside on him is that he would have to carry a bigger contract than a rookie, so I would probably drop him to a late first/early second value.

So, swapping 1st and 3rd picks sounds like an excellent deal to me for the Packers.

[Stash]

Turner's value is about as high as your going to find for a running back right now.

Yes, he will be a free agent next year but good luck fighting 10-15 other teams for his services. If you can get him locked up before the trade, this is a great move.

He's still young (24 or 25) and has already shown he can be a dominant. There is no reason to think he can't carry the load. Personally, I'd take him over Marshawn Lynch. The downside on him is that he would have to carry a bigger contract than a rookie, so I would probably drop him to a late first/early second value.

So, swapping 1st and 3rd picks sounds like an excellent deal to me for the Packers.

Wow, he has shown that he can be dominant? When was this? I was under the impression that he was a backup RB who gets 5-10 carries a game. I'm not saying that he doesn't have great potential, because he does, I'm just saying you can't call a backup RB who hasn't proven a thing dominant. He is coveted the way Shaub is; neither have proven much, but most believe that they have the potential to be good.

[Boltbaby]

As a Charger fan I have had the pleasure of seeing plenty of Michael Turner, and he is a FANTASTIC back. Check out this limited highlight reel of him: http://www.dailymotion.com/jcdavey/video/x1idt5_turnburn

The kid runs so hard and never gets tackled by the first guy that hits him. Whoever gets him will be lucky, the Chargers front office and coaching staff absolutely love the kid and rave about him constantly.

Thanks for posting that! I've been looking all over for a great highlight reel on him. Thanks to JCDavey for making it, too!

[BaLLiN]

Lamont Jordan was a great backup to Curtis Martin with the Jets and was constantly involved in trade rumors. There were even people advocating cutting or forcing retirement on Curtis Martin so that they wouldn't lose Jordan.

It's easily to have a high YPC when you're only running the ball 7-8 times per game.

I personally think Turner will be a good starting runningback (and don't think Jordan is terrible either) but to assume that just because he's done well as a backup to the best runningback in the league means that he'll do as well elsewhere is unfounded.

And how old are you? Do you not remember Jordan pre-Raiders?

Never watched Jets games often and when I saw them I barely saw Jordan, and I didn't think he was that good

[The Legend]

i wonder if they would do what the texans did and swap 1st and give up a 2nd round pick (hopefully not two 2nd rounders)

[marks01234]

Wow, he has shown that he can be dominant? When was this? I was under the impression that he was a backup RB who gets 5-10 carries a game. I'm not saying that he doesn't have great potential, because he does, I'm just saying you can't call a backup RB who hasn't proven a thing dominant. He is coveted the way Shaub is; neither have proven much, but most believe that they have the potential to be good.

Every time he's stepped on the field, he's looked very good. He's shown he has the speed and power to run on an NFL defense. That is something no college back has done yet.

He's made plenty of amazing plays spelling LT against first team defenses. You can argue that LT wore the D's out or that Rivers/Brees kept the D honest but the kid was still averaging over 6 yards a carry.

Big difference between him and Schaub. Schaub looked good in a few games - Turner has looked very good in numerous games. The kid is nearly 240 pounds and has amazing acceleration on kickoff returns.

There isn't to many running backs I would say would have a better value at this point than Turner. LJ, Ronnie Brown, LT, Portis and maybe Bush, Maroney, Duece and Cadillac. He is young, he has fresh legs, he is verstatile, he's a freak athletically.

[myinnerself]

Honestly, if anyone questions the kid just watch the highlight video I post above. The kid produces and is a great back. If that highlight video doesn't impress you, I don't know what will. He is more proven than any college back, because he has shown he can produce AT THIS LEVEL.