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General Zod
05-27-2011, 03:08 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tiki-Barber-puts-his-foot-in-it-again-with-821?urn=nfl-wp2225

I know this isnt new news, but I didnt see a thread for it anywhere. So I thought I would make one to further discuss how much of an idiot Tiki Barber is lol

descendency
05-27-2011, 03:12 PM
Runningbacks are idiots.

Mendenhall thinks we are too tough on Osama, AD thinks being in the NFL is slavery, and now Tiki thinks he's Anne Frank???

I'd joke Emmitt Smith for being full ******, but his Hall of Fame Speech was epic.

YAYareaRB
05-27-2011, 03:48 PM
Wow.. Just notice how idiotic most RBs are. Frank Gore can barely string together sentences. I think the only RB I've ever heard speak that sounded somewhat intelligent was Ricky Williams and he was...yeah.

Splat
05-27-2011, 03:51 PM
Frank Gore can barely string together sentences.


I see your Frank Gore and raise you Chris Johnson.

YAYareaRB
05-27-2011, 04:13 PM
I see your Frank Gore and raise you Chris Johnson.

The thing I like about Chris Johnson interviews is that he talks to the press(and anyone else) like he's talking to his friends at home. I love it

Frank Gore seems like a deer in the headlights when asked questions. Or maybe hes just a quiet dude and doesn't like talking.

niel89
05-27-2011, 04:23 PM
Yeah I'm pretty sure that Gore has something serious.

YAYareaRB
05-27-2011, 04:29 PM
Oh he does.. **** I feel bad now.

fenikz
05-27-2011, 05:03 PM
what an asshole :)

Saints-Tigers
05-27-2011, 05:09 PM
Reggie Bush is really intelligent. Maybe that's why he's so disappointing, we should knock him in the head a few times.

phlysac
05-27-2011, 08:27 PM
Yeah, pretty sure Frank Gore is dyslexic. Can be extremely intelligent and it wouldn't matter if you grew up not being able to read, write, and learn properly.

J255979-11nine
05-27-2011, 09:08 PM
Yeah, pretty sure Frank Gore is dyslexic. Can be extremely intelligent and it wouldn't matter if you grew up not being able to read, write, and learn properly.

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Ness
05-27-2011, 09:19 PM
Yeah, pretty sure Frank Gore is dyslexic. Can be extremely intelligent and it wouldn't matter if you grew up not being able to read, write, and learn properly.

Yet Frank Gore knows how to behave himself compared to a lot of other players in the NFL that apparently don't have a learning disability.

CrankthatCrabtree
05-28-2011, 11:47 AM
I don't get how Tiki is such a ******* moron, but Ronde seems like a good guy.

THEY ARE TWINS GODDAMNIT

Rabscuttle
05-28-2011, 12:08 PM
He was thinking of making a comeback and couldn't outrun a pregnant woman.

M.O.T.H.
05-28-2011, 01:05 PM
Oh running backs. lol. Poor Emmitt Smith became a joke once he opened his mouth after his football career. Sad, I dont even view him the same anymore. He's like Bradshaw.

PoopSandwich
05-28-2011, 01:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbhXmSBlS_U

TIKI IS A PIECE OF ****

FUNBUNCHER
05-28-2011, 09:15 PM
It's sad the way so many NFL players seem to have little knowledge of the outside world beyond football.

Tiki isn't a dumb guy, he went to UVA for a reason. But damn the dude is culturally out of touch.

The ego of some pro athletes is off the charts!!!

Ray Lewis opined that crime would increase if the NFL canceled the season!!???

WTF??

Like, does crime go up from February until September when the NFL is on hiatus??

I won't go so far to say the NFL is littered with 'dumb jocks', but it couldn't hurt some of these guys to read more than the sports pages or watch more on cable than MTV and ESPN.

Brothgar
05-28-2011, 09:20 PM
Reggie Bush is really intelligent. Maybe that's why he's so disappointing, we should knock him in the head a few times.

Reggie Bush isn't a running back.

Brothgar
05-28-2011, 09:24 PM
It's sad the way so many NFL players seem to have little knowledge of the outside world beyond football.

Tiki isn't a dumb guy, he went to UVA for a reason. But damn the dude is culturally out of touch.

The ego of some pro athletes is off the charts!!!

Ray Lewis opined that crime would increase if the NFL canceled the season!!???

WTF??

Like, does crime go up from February until September when the NFL is on hiatus??

I won't go so far to say the NFL is littered with 'dumb jocks', but it couldn't hurt some of these guys to read more than the sports pages or watch more on cable than MTV and ESPN.

Not trying to be political but I believe that crime will increase if the NFL has an extended lockout. Crime tends to increase with the poverty level and unemployment rate the NFL having an extended lockout will put many people out of a job for the season which could increase crime rate.

Complex
05-28-2011, 11:09 PM
plus ben roethlisberger won't have anything else to do for 9 more months.[/tasteless]

I think he is getting married in the next coming months.

Complex
05-28-2011, 11:10 PM
Not trying to be political but I believe that crime will increase if the NFL has an extended lockout. Crime tends to increase with the poverty level and unemployment rate the NFL having an extended lockout will put many people out of a job for the season which could increase crime rate.

Yeah, I was thinking the samething all kinds of businesses will be affected if there are no NFL games. People will start losing jobs and get desperate.

FUNBUNCHER
05-28-2011, 11:30 PM
Yeah, I was thinking the samething all kinds of businesses will be affected if there are no NFL games. People will start losing jobs and get desperate.

Are you guys being serious???


Do you think the crime rate is higher from the last play of the SB until the first game of NFL regular season???lol

Come on now.

phlysac
05-29-2011, 09:50 AM
Are you guys being serious???


Do you think the crime rate is higher from the last play of the SB until the first game of NFL regular season???lol

Come on now.

You're accurate in that however, you have to consider alot of variables. It's not a simple cut-and-dry hypothesis made by Lewis.

You'd have to consider the "anomie" or "strain" (or any other form of the same basic idea) that accompanies an environment that is far different from "the norm." No football is far from "the norm." It could, in theory, reach a "moral panic" (societal reaction to social phenomena) stage as Stanley Cohen suggested.

To counteract that you'd consider that the crime rate is typically higher in the summer months. Also, you could utilize a variation of the Concentric Zone Theory and postulate that no football would lessen the population, diversity, as well as opportunity (60,000+ people of different races, creeds, colors, religions, sexualities while adding alcohol and adrenaline) therefore lowering crime.

It could go either way.

descendency
05-29-2011, 09:54 AM
To counteract that you'd consider that the crime rate is typically higher in the summer months.

Which just happens to be vacation months where people tend to spend their time outside of their normal environment.

phlysac
05-29-2011, 09:59 AM
Which just happens to be vacation months where people tend to spend their time outside of their normal environment.

mountains of theories stacked on top of mountains of theories.

Lewis' "theory" is actually quite interesting. I'm not trying to accuse him of being a profound thinker (is or isnt) but as a Criminologist, any assertion like he made is intriguing to explore.

Caulibflower
05-29-2011, 01:49 PM
I was watching an NFL Network replay of the... was it 2002? ... Wildcard playoff game between the 49ers and the Giants, which the Giants lost by blowing a 38-14 lead and accumulating some stupid penalties at the end of the game. Tiki was one of the commenting former players, and I wanted to punch him in his smug-a$$ Tiki smile as he blamed then-coach Fassel for "not keeping his players under better control." Never seen someone throw people under the bus with such ease as Tiki Barber. The guy just continues to reinforce my opinion of him being a complete tool.

Shahin
05-29-2011, 01:56 PM
Are you guys being serious???


Do you think the crime rate is higher from the last play of the SB until the first game of NFL regular season???lol

Come on now.

Doesn't the crime rate in the phillipines virtually stop completely during manny pacquiao fights? It isn't too far-fetched.

ryno626
05-29-2011, 02:02 PM
Just think of how many malls Dez Bryant will get thrown out of if there's no season

Brothgar
05-29-2011, 04:14 PM
Are you guys being serious???


Do you think the crime rate is higher from the last play of the SB until the first game of NFL regular season???lol

Come on now.

http://malcolmxpark.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/philly-murder-chart-through-march-2008.jpg

FUNBUNCHER
05-29-2011, 05:40 PM
It's hard for me to believe you could isolate one variable, a nationally televised sport, FOOTBALL, in a country of 300 million people and extrapolate the level of socio-cultural impact from the cancellation of the season on the overall crime rate.

It's an interesting argument, but IMO I'd have hard time believing no football in 2011 would be statistically significant in predicting the national crime rate.

It's not like 50 million Americans will be put out of work if there's no NFL this fall to watch.

I know too many people who don't even LIKE football, forget about being criminally inclined.

To me Ray Lewis' comment was another pro athlete over-inflating the relevance of their sport on the population as a whole.

descendency
05-29-2011, 05:54 PM
It's hard for me to believe you could isolate one variable, a nationally televised sport, FOOTBALL, in a country of 300 million people and extrapolate the level of socio-cultural impact from the cancellation of the season on the overall crime rate.

The main problem is that what they are essentially proposing is that it's either football or killing people. You can't simply just go play Madden or watch a movie. If you don't have football, you will go kill people (or whatever crime is your choice).

To me Ray Lewis' comment was another pro athlete over-inflating the relevance of their sport on the population as a whole.

When I first heard it, I thought it was him admitting the NFL is full of thugs.

Complex
05-29-2011, 06:53 PM
Are you guys being serious???


Do you think the crime rate is higher from the last play of the SB until the first game of NFL regular season???lol

Come on now.

Do you know how many restaurants,hotels, casinos, stores and NFL/ stadium employees benefit from the NFL? This does not include player entourages who get paid by players. There will be a lot of people losing their jobs if there is no NFL.

Caulibflower
05-29-2011, 07:49 PM
What Ray Lewis is saying is that ol' Roger better be sure there's football next year, or he just may find himself the focal point of a hostage situation.

Brothgar
05-29-2011, 08:56 PM
and all 46 of them will turn instantly to violent crime.

Firstly, I highly doubt that people who's livelyhoods (outside of players coaches, owners etc) ranks in the mere 10s or low hundreds. They will not all turn instantly to violent crime. But some might turn to drug dealing or some other form of non violent crime.

fenikz
05-29-2011, 09:12 PM
ive been raping and pillaging since the lockout begun

Raiderz4Life
05-29-2011, 10:02 PM
I'm a raider fan...we pillage and plunder just for fun.

Brothgar
05-29-2011, 10:24 PM
so, in 2002, dallas had ~17,000 crimes reported (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Measuring_crime). in 2000, they had roughly 1.1 million (http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-South/Dallas-Population-Profile.html) 'city' residents. so, how many of those 1.1 million people will immediately turn to crime, solely because there's no more football? 5, in dallas alone? that'd bump crime up a whopping 0.00029%. it's such a ridiculous premise it's laughable.

further, in 1982, crime rates actually went *down* making all of this silly conjecture absolutely baseless. ray lewis is a bombastic idiot, in this case.

Hmmm... I just got owned by njx ... so this is how it feels. :(

phlysac
05-29-2011, 11:01 PM
so, in 2002, dallas had ~17,000 crimes reported (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Measuring_crime). in 2000, they had roughly 1.1 million (http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-South/Dallas-Population-Profile.html) 'city' residents. so, how many of those 1.1 million people will immediately turn to crime, solely because there's no more football? 5, in dallas alone? that'd bump crime up a whopping 0.00029%. it's such a ridiculous premise it's laughable.

further, in 1982, crime rates actually went *down* making all of this silly conjecture absolutely baseless. ray lewis is a bombastic idiot, in this case.

His reasoning for saying it is likely baseless. However if there is one single more crime committed then his assertion is accurate. Doesn't prove causation, however.

Rabscuttle
05-30-2011, 05:55 PM
The NFL does tell the players that they are role models and use that to support their personal conduct policy and backup their suspensions/fines. RayRay McStabbyface is only parroting what Goodell and the cartel have been selling to the masses. Or maybe that's just hyperbole that's been spouted by a bunch of billionaires to make money off the faces of their product.

jack1077
05-30-2011, 06:40 PM
i should add that i'm not trying to be a condescending prick (though, per usual, i'm sure i'm failing), but i get so sick of pro athletes comparing their situation to anything that remotely suggests suffering, or trying to over-inflate a sport that's already about as inflated as it can possibly get.



so what about the likely reduction in DUIs and other assorted alcohol related violence as a result of none of us sitting at a bar for 8 hours every sunday surrounded by countless other douchebags who think that throwing ice at people wearing the wrong colors is entertaining? further, if crime rates follow trends, they'll go down on average anyways, meaning that he's not only expecting crime to be committed because there's no nfl, but he's expecting a relatively massive increase in crime.

I know i'd like to be a 9 million dollar a year slave.

phlysac
05-30-2011, 07:19 PM
so what about the likely reduction in DUIs and other assorted alcohol related violence as a result of none of us sitting at a bar for 8 hours every sunday surrounded by countless other douchebags who think that throwing ice at people wearing the wrong colors is entertaining? further, if crime rates follow trends, they'll go down on average anyways, meaning that he's not only expecting crime to be committed because there's no nfl, but he's expecting a relatively massive increase in crime.

Likely, and inevitable are different. I mentioned the possibility that crime could decrease in one of my earlier posts. Everything you posit is completely feasible, and using your word (which I agree with) "likely" to be the case. However, if crime does go up, Lewis' assertion would be accurate. It wouldn't however be proven as the cause of the increase.

Prowler
05-30-2011, 08:06 PM
I don't have a problem with Tiki's comments. I actually have more of a problem with the reporting of it and the cultural pressure for me to create a problem with it.

He was hiding in an attic. I get it.

He's not a Nazi sympathizer. Its not like he approved of what happened to Anne Frank. I have no problem here.

FUNBUNCHER
05-30-2011, 10:21 PM
I don't have a problem with Tiki's comments. I actually have more of a problem with the reporting of it and the cultural pressure for me to create a problem with it.

He was hiding in an attic. I get it.

He's not a Nazi sympathizer. Its not like he approved of what happened to Anne Frank. I have no problem here.


You're wrong.

See, feeling 'pressure' from the media for running out on your pregnant wife to play house with your GF isn't the same idea as hiding in an attic because there's military/political movement sweeping through Europe with the expressed goal of EXTERMINATING everyone who practices the same religion as you do.

Read the last 10 pages from the Diary of Anne Frank. She misses the happy ending.

It's the trivialization of the suffering that took place during the Holocaust that the problem with Tiki's comments.

It's like if a multimillion dollar AA athlete calls the headaches he faces in the NFL analogous to the trials and tribulations of an escaped slave in the antebellum South.

Really??

Not.

No one's culturally pressuring you to feel anything.

Tiki made a dumb and insensitive statement and got called on it.

'I feel like a thirteen year old girl who's being raped daily by her father.'

No you don't.

Some experiences are so extreme and beyond universal understanding that to analogize them flippantly is beyond offensive.

Bucs_Rule
05-30-2011, 10:30 PM
Big difference between fear of being humiliated and fear of being killed.

Prowler
05-31-2011, 01:15 AM
and Tiki is such a world icon that this deserved to be a national story?

some random remark is now analyzed by millions of people and judged?

any person who says, "they got raped on that play" when a defense converges on a quarterback or when a team gets a bad call is doing pretty much the same thing. obviously its not meant to be a perfect analogy. its an extremist statement meant for a quick and dramatic reference to bolden a tiny point.

its worth a roll of the eyes, not damnation.

FUNBUNCHER
05-31-2011, 08:24 AM
and Tiki is such a world icon that this deserved to be a national story?

some random remark is now analyzed by millions of people and judged?

any person who says, "they got raped on that play" when a defense converges on a quarterback or when a team gets a bad call is doing pretty much the same thing. obviously its not meant to be a perfect analogy. its an extremist statement meant for a quick and dramatic reference to bolden a tiny point.

its worth a roll of the eyes, not damnation.

Maybe in Iowa or Tennessee, but Tiki lives in the NYC area code. It's going to be a big story there regardless.

There's no good way to drop an 'Anne Frank' and 'attic' reference in regards to an athlete's personal tribulations and end up looking good.

BTW, I don't think his statement is being given that much public scrutiny, it's not like it's a discussion topic on ESPN.

Another insensitive comment by an out-of-touch athlete and we move on.

AntoinCD
05-31-2011, 10:30 AM
and Tiki is such a world icon that this deserved to be a national story?

some random remark is now analyzed by millions of people and judged?

any person who says, "they got raped on that play" when a defense converges on a quarterback or when a team gets a bad call is doing pretty much the same thing. obviously its not meant to be a perfect analogy. its an extremist statement meant for a quick and dramatic reference to bolden a tiny point.

its worth a roll of the eyes, not damnation.

Im pretty confident though that if someone like Mike Mayock for example in his new gig for NFL Network says in his first game

"Oh boy Peyton Manning just got raped by Mario Williams" he may well not be invited back to do anymore games.

These are the sort of references that people say in real life. Are they offensive? Sure. But they get said. However if you are in the public eye then you're just an idiot for even thinking about saying it because you are left open to public scrutiny.

FlyingElvis
05-31-2011, 11:01 AM
Tiki will be out of work and money in no time and, hopefully, out of any position that might force him into relevance (media-wise) as well. Then we can stop hearing/seeing/reading about his idiocy.


I don't have a problem with Tiki's comments. I actually have more of a problem with the reporting of it and the cultural pressure for me to create a problem with it.

He was hiding in an attic. I get it.

He's not a Nazi sympathizer. Its not like he approved of what happened to Anne Frank. I have no problem here.

I see your point, tbh. I don't really have a problem with what he said, either. I realize it's totally stupid for him to use such an extreme example in his hyperbole, but it's still hyperbole. Someone less douchey would likely get a pass. Then again, someone less douchey would probably have a better understanding of why such an analogy should never be made for such a trivial (and self inflicted) personal situation.

There's no good way to drop an 'Anne Frank' and 'attic' reference in regards to an athlete's personal tribulations and end up looking good.

Another insensitive comment by an out-of-touch athlete and we move on.
Said best, imo.

jack1077
06-01-2011, 05:35 AM
Wow.. Just notice how idiotic most RBs are. Frank Gore can barely string together sentences. I think the only RB I've ever heard speak that sounded somewhat intelligent was Ricky Williams and he was...yeah.

Hilarious that isn't it? The only one with an ounce of intelligence likes to smoke... Ounces. I still love Ricky. Btw, its amazing how every one of his team-mates has said what a great locker room guy he is.

The shame in this is, he is too intelligent for the position. There is no mental challenge at RB. It really is just running at a hole and getting hit by a guy who out weighs you by 40 lbs. If you can think for yourself, you will eventually realise how monotonous and devastating the position is on your body and mind.