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prock
06-23-2011, 02:51 AM
Nothing like a couple trolls. Way to go LT and Brodeur.

And Taj Gibson is a great post defender.

yo123
06-23-2011, 02:56 AM
Pietrus should be a FA though. He exercised his option the day before we started this new mock.

http://www.azfamily.com/sports/Suns-Mickael-Pietrus-exercises-player-option-on-contract-123927274.html


Huh? Exercising his option made him not a FA.

Docta
06-23-2011, 03:05 AM
Huh? Exercising his option made him not a FA.
That's what I get for staying up this late. My bad.

fenikz
06-23-2011, 03:16 AM
Going to Vegas tomorrow, only have a 2nd rounder for Washington left so if I'm not around just give me BPA

If you want to trade with me or something just send me a PM on NFLDC I'll check in every once in awhile

prock
06-23-2011, 04:00 AM
Going to Vegas tomorrow, only have a 2nd rounder for Washington left so if I'm not around just give me BPA

If you want to trade with me or something just send me a PM on NFLDC I'll check in every once in awhile

**** Vegas, you finish what you ******* started boy!

Brodeur
06-23-2011, 11:29 AM
Nothing like a couple trolls. Way to go LT and Brodeur.


http://i.imgur.com/myoFT.gif

(totally stolen from the WrestleCrap forum)

LTgiants
06-23-2011, 11:37 AM
http://i.imgur.com/myoFT.gif

(totally stolen from the WrestleCrap forum)

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/maxwell_smart__confused.gif

Just give it up. You lost so stop. Let everyone get back to running their teams.

princefielder28
06-23-2011, 12:16 PM
cleveland is looking to use 54 & 57 to move up

Brodeur
06-23-2011, 01:01 PM
That trade is ******* horrible for the Pacers.

D-Unit
06-23-2011, 01:16 PM
DJ Augustin and Tyrus Thomas are available.

diabsoule
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
That trade is ******* horrible for the Pacers.

Agreed. The Pacers got bent over on that trade.

Brodeur
06-23-2011, 02:33 PM
I made the Pacers a legit contender and it disappoints me to see them make two godawful trades dammit.

WMD
06-23-2011, 04:15 PM
Go people! Gogogogogogogogogooooooooooo

princefielder28
06-23-2011, 04:20 PM
we should probably make a pick for chicago since they've been otc for over 2 hours...they need a guy to backup and play the 4

yo123
06-23-2011, 04:21 PM
I took Justin Harper. New Jersey is on the clock.

princefielder28
06-23-2011, 04:23 PM
I took Justin Harper. New Jersey is on the clock.

hahaha sorry, stupid me

Docta
06-23-2011, 04:32 PM
That trade is ******* horrible for the Pacers.
Dunleavy is a FA, so I'm not even sure that I'll get him back. Hamilton's just a rookie, so I need a quality back-up for him.

Brodeur
06-23-2011, 05:18 PM
Dunleavy is a FA, so I'm not even sure that I'll get him back. Hamilton's just a rookie, so I need a quality back-up for him.

Felton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JJ.

yo123
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
Yeah. Not sure how that one passed exactly.

LTgiants
06-23-2011, 05:21 PM
Can I make my pick yet? Scotty has been on the clock for a while.

scottyboy
06-23-2011, 05:22 PM
I'm in class so gimme a minute. **** oi for picking Harper makes thi hard for me

YAYareaRB
06-23-2011, 11:16 PM
I pick Kanter in this draft.. The Jazz get Kanter in the real draft

Morris twins get drafted back to back in this draft.. they get drafted back to back in the real draft.

http://rlv.zcache.com/theyre_watching_you_poster-p228143682785057529t5wm_400.jpg

sbh15
06-23-2011, 11:53 PM
Cole has been taken

prock
06-24-2011, 03:56 AM
David Kahn has sucked any will to continue out of my body.

yo123
06-24-2011, 03:10 PM
David Kahn has sucked any will to continue out of my body.


I've went back and forth over and over again mostly because of the ridiculous amount of trades and I had no idea who we would end up with. Just taking Brooks would have been better sure, but we got a future 1st for the worst player in the NBA and picked up a solid SG prospect in the 2nd. I'd give our draft a solid B to be honest. Could have been an A+ but it wasn't your typical Kahn failure of a draft.

LTgiants
06-24-2011, 03:14 PM
I mean come on I know you guys all hate Flynn but he is not the worst player in the NBA.

princefielder28
06-24-2011, 03:16 PM
we need to finish this draft!!!

yo123
06-24-2011, 03:29 PM
I mean come on I know you guys all hate Flynn but he is not the worst player in the NBA.


Yes he is. He doesn't have one single NBA skill.

LTgiants
06-24-2011, 03:32 PM
He is better then Jared Jeffries there for he is not the worst.

yo123
06-24-2011, 03:34 PM
Jared Jeffries can run around aimlessly and get his crazy long arms in people's faces, that's one more positive thing than Flynn does.

Brodeur
06-24-2011, 03:35 PM
Flynn is faster than Brad Miller, so that's a skill.

prock
06-24-2011, 03:37 PM
I won't give it a grade until we see what Kahn does with all these forwards. Beasley has to go.

yo123
06-24-2011, 03:42 PM
Flynn is faster than Brad Miller, so that's a skill.


So am I but you don't see me running an NBA offense.

prock
06-24-2011, 03:46 PM
At least Brad Miller is tall.

Brodeur
06-24-2011, 04:12 PM
So am I but you don't see me running an NBA offense.

That's a very loose usage of running an NBA offense.

LTgiants
06-24-2011, 04:16 PM
we need to finish this draft!!!

Well Yo is up but he seems busy complaining about Jonny Flynn and the Wolves draft.

yo123
06-24-2011, 04:46 PM
I am definitely not up. Why do people keep saying this?

Brodeur
06-24-2011, 04:49 PM
Because you're Chicago and Chicago is up you giant whorebag.

yo123
06-24-2011, 04:54 PM
Well maybe if the list was updated.

Brodeur
06-24-2011, 05:01 PM
Well maybe if you would put out every now and then.

Brodeur
06-24-2011, 05:09 PM
IS IT THAT HARD TO LOOK FOUR FEET ABOVE YOUR POST? Dammit Yo.

yo123
06-24-2011, 05:12 PM
IS IT THAT HARD TO LOOK FOUR FEET ABOVE YOUR POST? Dammit Yo.


THERE WAS NO PICTURE IT DIDN'T STAND OUT GET OFF MY BACK

Brodeur
06-24-2011, 05:17 PM
THERE WAS NO PICTURE IT DIDN'T STAND OUT GET OFF MY BACK

I don't plan on getting off your back any time soon...

yo123
06-24-2011, 05:18 PM
you have been coming on extra strong lately.

Brodeur
06-24-2011, 05:35 PM
It's the unemployment.

WMD
06-24-2011, 06:22 PM
Where is our cruel Hawaiian Fuehrer?

Docta
06-24-2011, 06:52 PM
we need to finish this draft!!!
Why didn't you just update the board yourself? You have the ability too, and I don't think they'd care if you did.

diabsoule
06-24-2011, 07:37 PM
Citizens! I have heard your screams and have, on my own initiative, addressed what ails you! That page, that bitter, old page, has been renewed, refreshed, and updated with current content. Men of NFLDC, I have heard your laments! When scholars look back on this day let them say that I took care of you, denizens of draft countdown, in your hour of need!

SeanTaylorRIP
06-24-2011, 08:19 PM
Looking to buy some 2nd round picks, hit me up, also willing to trade the draft rights of Jordan Williams so hit me up if interested, would like to package rights to Jordan Williams, Brad Miller, and S&T Chuck Hayes for a SF.

sbh15
06-24-2011, 08:25 PM
still looking to S&T either RFA (Hawes/Young). Send me a PM

WMD
06-24-2011, 08:39 PM
I have the #60 Pick by the way. I received it in the Beno Udrih trade.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-24-2011, 09:33 PM
Shopping Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon for whatever you can offer.

WMD
06-25-2011, 12:35 AM
If anyone is interested in the draft rights to Jeremy Tyler, send a PM (private message) my way.

WMD
06-25-2011, 04:24 PM
I have authorized Brodeur to make picks for my Lakers and Heat if they come up while I'm away tonight.

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 06:22 PM
I'm trying to build a bench mob

fenikz
06-25-2011, 06:40 PM
Doubt I'll make much of a impact in Free Agency so this is pretty much my off season, PM if you would like me to sign and trade someone, I'm willing to take on a bad contract in return if packaged with picks and youth

Additions
Enes Kanter
Derrick Favors
Jan Vesley
Omri Caspi
Travis Leslie

Subtractions
JaVale McGee
Andray Blatche
Jordan Crawford
2012 Lottery Protected 1st

fenikz
06-25-2011, 07:14 PM
and still looking to move Warrick for a TPE or any position other than PF

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 07:17 PM
Anyone got a back up defensive/rebound minded C? or just anyone that can provide good minutes? or just a C with a pulse?

fenikz
06-25-2011, 07:19 PM
Garrett Siler?

diabsoule
06-25-2011, 07:40 PM
Anyone got a back up defensive/rebound minded C? or just anyone that can provide good minutes? or just a C with a pulse?

You want Marreese Speights? He's an RFA after this year so if he sucks you don't have to sign him. He comes cheap.

fenikz
06-25-2011, 07:58 PM
And I hate it, Utah wtf? You could of had a great defensive team that Irving could grow into but you go and trade it for Ellis and Barbosa?

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 08:00 PM
I think I still got pretty good team but then again, why wouldn't I think that? lol

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 08:02 PM
I did not understand what the point of trading for iggy was if you wanted to then turn and trade him for Ellis.

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 08:05 PM
I did not understand what the point of trading for iggy was if you wanted to then turn and trade him for Ellis.

I didn't trade for him with the intent to trade him away but when the opportunity to get more depth presented itself, I took it.

DJC
06-25-2011, 08:05 PM
Louis Amundson can go for a TPE

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 08:07 PM
I didn't trade for him with the intent to trade him away but when the opportunity to get more depth presented itself, I took it.

You made your team worse in the process though.

Brodeur
06-25-2011, 08:08 PM
You didn't mention you had Iggy avaliable for trade. I would have given up an assload for him, but fine.

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 08:09 PM
You made your team worse in the process though.

Luckily this isn't real life. relax guys, no one is gettin paid for this. I wanna make MY team. You make yours

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 08:11 PM
Luckily this isn't real life. relax guys, no one is gettin paid for this. I wanna make MY team. You make yours

We are just giving you our opinions. I know there are people who didn't like some of the moves I made as well but I don't complain. That they gave their opinion even though I may disagree with them.

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 08:15 PM
We are just giving you our opinions. I know there are people who didn't like some of the moves I made as well but I don't complain. That they gave their opinion even though I may disagree with them.

I'm not complaining just allow me to disagree. I appreciate the feedback.. You're opinion may differ but like I said, this is my team. I make moves I want to make because I think their good. You may not agree but it is what it is.

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 08:19 PM
It probably would have been better to just move Harris for depth rather then moving Iggy for "depth". However like you said if your happy with it.

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 08:22 PM
It probably would have been better to just move Harris for depth rather then moving Iggy for "depth". However like you said if your happy with it.

I've been shopping Harris since we started this thing. Nothing was gonna happen with him alone. I would continue to explain myself but again, its pointless since I'm happy with the team I currently have

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 08:28 PM
I've been shopping Harris since we started this thing. Nothing was gonna happen with him alone. I would continue to explain myself but again, its pointless since I'm happy with the team I currently have

I am glad your happy. Just telling you how I see it. Think you could have easily traded Harris for a over payed backup center and a draft pick or something simple like that but if you say so.

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 08:51 PM
I am glad your happy. Just telling you how I see it. Think you could have easily traded Harris for a over payed backup center and a draft pick or something simple like that but if you say so.

Like I said, I've been trying to shop him since the beginning and nothing was happening so it is what it is. Thanks for your opinion though

SeanTaylorRIP
06-25-2011, 08:57 PM
I introduce to you the best defensive team in the league:

PG: Kyle Lowry/Jordan Farmar
SG: Rudy Fernandez/Courtney Lee/Ronnie Brewer
SF: Thabo Sefelosha/Chris Singleton
PF: Luis Scola/Taj Gibson/Donatas Motiejunas
C: Chris Kaman/Anderson Varejao/Brad Miller

fenikz
06-25-2011, 09:12 PM
if it were Lowry Thabo Singleton Gibson Varejo i'd agree

SeanTaylorRIP
06-25-2011, 09:14 PM
Yeah I'm just saying in general, that starting 5 will only start games together, obviously need Scola and Kaman in there for scoring but often will have Anderson and Taj paired with the other. Also have Courtney Lee and Ronnie Brewer who are capable defenders. Obviously though not having a #1 scorer will hurt.

Brodeur
06-25-2011, 09:19 PM
I introduce to you the best defensive team in the league:

PG: Kyle Lowry/Jordan Farmar
SG: Rudy Fernandez/Courtney Lee/Ronnie Brewer
SF: Thabo Sefelosha/Chris Singleton
PF: Luis Scola/Taj Gibson/Donatas Motiejunas
C: Chris Kaman/Anderson Varejao/Brad Miller

The only viable number THREE options are Kaman and Scola, and that's a question mark too. Some serious scoring issues.

fenikz
06-25-2011, 09:21 PM
wait who is the #2 option?

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 09:25 PM
Me and STRIP should combine teams

WITH OUR POWERS COMBINED!

SeanTaylorRIP
06-25-2011, 09:27 PM
I tried making a move for Monta, I'll still try to acquire a scorer, I'll see other ways though.

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 09:32 PM
Just go Detroit Bad Boys on teams and defense the **** of them!

fenikz
06-25-2011, 09:38 PM
And with that move I have cut my total salary to $37,794,421

CP3 + amazing city + **** ton of cash = FA?

YAYareaRB
06-25-2011, 09:41 PM
I'm new at this. When are rookie salaries determined?

fenikz
06-25-2011, 09:42 PM
last time we just used the numbers from last years draft, i would guess we do the same

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 09:49 PM
Why would CP3 stay on that team again?

Brodeur
06-25-2011, 09:52 PM
wait who is the #2 option?

What do you mean?

SeanTaylorRIP
06-25-2011, 09:54 PM
I'm new at this. When are rookie salaries determined?

Rookie salaries here: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9303

fenikz
06-25-2011, 09:56 PM
Why would CP3 stay on that team again?

for I have his birdrights and it will look much better after like 40 mil of signings

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 10:20 PM
for I have his birdrights and it will look much better after like 40 mil of signings

Hasnt he been under contract for more then 3 years? Do Bird rights still apply?

Ya ok I will believe it when I see it 40 mil of signings. So 40 million dollars for 1 person?

sbh15
06-25-2011, 10:21 PM
I'm looking for a #1 scorer, preferably @ PF/C. Will S&T Young with Millsap for the right offer.

fenikz
06-25-2011, 10:22 PM
if a player is under contract for 3 years or more on the same team then they have bird rights

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 10:26 PM
if a player is under contract for 3 years or more on the same team then they have bird rights

So what happens when a guy gets traded at the end of his deal during the off season? Don't they use up that last year of his bird rights during that season? I thought they don't get Bird rights again.

fenikz
06-25-2011, 10:31 PM
nope bird rights are traded with the player and youre assuming CP3 would even decline 17 mil when the max will be around 13

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 10:34 PM
nope bird rights are traded with the player and youre assuming CP3 would even decline 17 mil when the max will be around 13

No I am assuming that CP3 would have never accepted a trade there in the 1st place. Since that team is no where near close to winning as the roster stands right now. Ya I don't see how he would accept a extension there and I think he should be in the 2012 fa pool cause I don't think your team is a contender.

fenikz
06-25-2011, 10:44 PM
i would fully expect him to test FA in 2012, but so would Melo, there is just no logical reason that a good player wouldn't do it, well i mean besides $17,779,457

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 10:53 PM
i would fully expect him to test FA in 2012, but so would Melo, there is just no logical reason that a good player wouldn't do it, well i mean besides $17,779,457

Melo signed a extension on the day he got traded it to the Knicks. The Knicks were his choice of where he wanted to go. A little different situation then this one. Do you honestly believe Paul would pick a gutted Suns over any of other choices?

SeanTaylorRIP
06-25-2011, 10:56 PM
wait and see who he signs and trades he makes before you make any judgments.

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 11:07 PM
I am not saying anything that is not true he gave up most of his team to get Paul like the Knicks did Melo. I just dont see why Paul would want to stay there. Even if he signed the best guy at C SG and SF out of this FA crop.

sbh15
06-25-2011, 11:08 PM
Good explanation of bird rights if you don't understand them...

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=15752

SeanTaylorRIP
06-25-2011, 11:09 PM
I am not saying anything that is not true he gave up most of his team to get Paul like the Knicks did Melo. I just dont see why Paul would want to stay there. Even if he signed the best guy at C SG and SF out of this FA crop.

Well we'll see who even has money to sign him in 2012.

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 11:11 PM
The exception to this rule is when the player has a one year contract. When these players are traded, Early Bird and Larry "Bird Rights" are not conveyed to the new team. Instead, the player enters free agency as a Non-Bird free agent. Because of this loss of status, teams are required to obtain the player's consent before trading players in this situation.

This part of the article was what I was trying to get explanation on with Paul and his Bird Rights.

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 11:13 PM
Well we'll see who even has money to sign him in 2012.

That's my point Paul should be in the FA pool. Regardless of weather or not I want to sign him or not. I think other team's should have a chance to sign him and plead their case as well.

fenikz
06-25-2011, 11:37 PM
Paul was on a 5 year deal I don't see why you think that would apply

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 11:39 PM
Paul was on a 5 year deal I don't see why you think that would apply

Cause he signed a 3 year extension in 2008 and is on the last year of his contract right now.

fenikz
06-25-2011, 11:46 PM
doesnt matter, you could sign him to 3-1 year contracts and still have his birdrights

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 11:49 PM
I was just curious since he had 1 year left on his contract when the deal was made. I was not sure what happens with the bird rights.

It says that players traded with 1 years left don't get Bird Rights when they are traded in that piece of SBH's article. So I posted it.

sbh15
06-25-2011, 11:49 PM
Cause he signed a 3 year extension in 2008 and is on the last year of his contract right now.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/hornets.jsp

Paul is under contract for the 2011-2012 season and has a player option for 2012-2013.

LTgiants
06-25-2011, 11:53 PM
Player option doesn't count for anything since he can decline it. Paul is only under contract for this year. He can choose to add a year to his contract for 17 mil. He isnt technically under contract in 2012.

fenikz
06-25-2011, 11:55 PM
no **** but i still have his bird rights

sbh15
06-25-2011, 11:59 PM
Player option doesn't count for anything since he can decline it. Paul is only under contract for this year. He can choose to add a year to his contract for 17 mil. He isnt technically under contract in 2012.

But he can also accept it, something he'd do if Phoenix's roster is attractive enough. I just wouldn't go proclaiming his free agency until after this mock off-season.

LTgiants
06-26-2011, 12:01 AM
I never said you didn't get Bird Rights in the trade. I am talking about when it comes to the off season I was under the impression that when you trade for a guy who has a 1 year deal that you don't get Bird Rights that the player becomes a non bird fa.

As I posted in that piece of the article. That was what I was talking about. I was under the impression you have Bird Rights to use for a extension during the season not FA.

If I am wrong so be it that's what I thought which is why I asked the original question when you first brought up Bird Rights.

LTgiants
06-26-2011, 12:05 AM
But he can also accept it, something he'd do if Phoenix's roster is attractive enough. I just wouldn't go proclaiming his free agency until after this mock off-season.

I am not proclaiming anything. All I did was ask Fenikz a question of why Paul would want to stay there . Cause I believe as it would stand right now I cant see him staying there. I cant predict the future I am just stating my opinion since he wanted to take the time and brag about having Paul and money to blow. I am just saying how I see things.

Zycho32
06-26-2011, 12:05 AM
...not that I'm complaining or anything, but I'm curious. How was I left on the clock for nine hours?

fenikz
06-26-2011, 12:35 AM
Well you see the pandas got loose and let me tell you those are some nutty pandas. You can only imagine the kind of shenanigans they were pulling

Zycho32
06-26-2011, 12:54 AM
Were they beseiging all the public toilets or something?

fenikz
06-26-2011, 12:56 AM
actually they just kind of killed people...

Zycho32
06-26-2011, 02:36 AM
*GASP* Oh noes!!

fenikz
06-26-2011, 04:19 AM
the brilliant thing is if CP3 declines his player option I have 17 mil more available to use before I resign him using bird rights :D

Miami west come to me Dwight & Durant

WMD
06-26-2011, 04:33 AM
Nobody is even talking to you Fenikz.

fenikz
06-26-2011, 04:40 AM
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WMD
06-26-2011, 05:57 AM
NJVrTYbxwgA

How dare you use my own movie against me.

YAYareaRB
06-26-2011, 11:17 AM
why the **** is this draft taking so long?

WMD
06-26-2011, 12:33 PM
DUnit disappeared, should we skip him or draft someone for him?

Brodeur
06-26-2011, 12:37 PM
Are there any Hawaiian guys in the draft?

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 01:02 PM
I'll pick 4 him to keep this moving.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 02:24 PM
3 more picks left, lets finish this so we can move on.

Brodeur
06-26-2011, 02:35 PM
I have been yelling at WMD to pick for a few minutes now, he is being super slow.

yo123
06-26-2011, 02:52 PM
Someone needs to take Chu Chu.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 03:17 PM
Draft complete, I'll work on updating the free agency thread, I'll Pm D-unit if he's still running free agency or if I have to take over.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 03:28 PM
Everyone must update their depth chart's with team salaries, rookie salaries can be found here: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9303

2nd round picks we will go with $473,000.

If you are having trouble doing your team salaries let me know and I will do them for you, trying to avoid like last time though when I had to do nearly everyone's salary's as that was incredibly time consuming. use shamsports to find salaries, if you are certain your team is over the cap than it isn't necessary to do your team salaries immediately. Just some quick notes will come out with free agency details and dates once I talk to D-unit but keep in mind the MLE is now 4 mil/year only 3 years max. Only teams with bird rights can offer 6 year contracts, and your team can't use the MLE if you start FA under the cap.

fenikz
06-26-2011, 03:37 PM
I don't believe that last part is correct, fairly positive all teams have the MLE, Heat for example started last season with like 2 mil on the books and still used the MLE on Mike Miller once they went over the cap

LTgiants
06-26-2011, 03:39 PM
Teams under the cap cant use the MLE.

fenikz
06-26-2011, 03:41 PM
well ya but why would they, but teams that start under the cap still have the MLE available once they go over it

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 03:42 PM
I don't believe that last part is correct, fairly positive all teams have the MLE, Heat for example started last season with like 2 mil on the books and still used the MLE on Mike Miller once they went over the cap

No the rule is right they didn't use the MLE. After the big 3 took pay cuts they had enough money for Miller. The rule is you must start free agency under the cap to use the MLE.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 03:44 PM
"Once a year, teams are allowed to sign a player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception (MLE). The MLE may be used on an individual free agent or split among multiple free agents, and is available to any team that exceeds the salary cap at the beginning of the offseason."


The big 3 only took 43 mil in cap space.

sbh15
06-26-2011, 03:45 PM
Good explanation on this...

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q20

The Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions may be lost entirely, or the team may never receive them to begin with. This happens when their team salary is so low that when the exceptions are added to the team salary, the sum is still below the salary cap. If the team salary is below this level when the exception arises, then the team doesn't get the exception. If the team salary ever drops below this level during the year, then any exceptions they had are lost.

For example, with a $49.5 million salary cap, assume it's the offseason, and a team has $41 million committed to salaries, along with a Mid-Level exception for $5 million, a Traded Player exception for $2.5 million, and an unrenounced free agent whose free agent amount is $2 million. Their salaries and exceptions total $50.5 million, or $1 million over the cap. What if their free agent signs with another team? The $2 million free agent amount comes off their cap, so their team salary drops to $48.5 million. This total is below the cap so the team loses its Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions.

This should also be noted, however...

So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $49.5 million, and a team has $43 million committed to salaries. They also have a Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a Traded Player exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions are added to their salaries, putting them at $53.5 million, or $4 million over the cap. So they actually have no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use their exceptions.

fenikz
06-26-2011, 03:46 PM
I'm like 99.9% positive that you're wrong, got anything to quote saying that only teams above the cap get to use the MLE

edit: gj reading my mind

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 03:53 PM
There you go, so all teams must also add 4 mil(MLE) to their cap if you are below the cap. We didn't do this last time and doing this should definitely make things more realistic. Teams had way too much cap room last time, make sure you note adding the 4 mil to your cap.

sbh15
06-26-2011, 03:54 PM
There you go, so all teams must also add 4 mil(MLE) to their cap if you are below the cap. We didn't do this last time and doing this should definitely make things more realistic. Teams had way too much cap room last time, make sure you note adding the 4 mil to your cap.

as well as all TPE's. From what I understand, though, if you are that far under the cap, then TPE's+MLE's disappear and you are given the cap space without either exception added.

fenikz
06-26-2011, 03:56 PM
kind of just sounds like you could use them to your advantage if you want to, im no where close so that doesn't really affect me, but in 2012 i shall have my MLE

Brodeur
06-26-2011, 04:08 PM
I am so confused.

fenikz
06-26-2011, 04:11 PM
the rule seems ******** but it makes sense in a way, basically if youre close to the cap you can "add" your MLE and TPEs so that you can use your MLE to sign someone

but if your'e not close you can renounce them and they go away
Teams have the option of renouncing their exceptions in order to claim the cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their Traded Player and Mid-Level exceptions, then the $10.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $43 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which can then be used to sign free agent(s).

WMD
06-26-2011, 04:15 PM
How do the Lakers have a $93 Million payroll? Sheesh golly gosh.

sbh15
06-26-2011, 04:15 PM
I have a question about bird rights... Can I use all $21 mil of cap space I have and then still match any offer for an RFA if I have bird rights? EDIT: figured it out. (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q31 if you have the same question)

fenikz
06-26-2011, 04:20 PM
How do the Lakers have a $93 Million payroll? Sheesh golly gosh.

lol and realistically they are paying $140 mil for it, same with Dallas which is why I refused to jump on the band wagon with everyone else, why do I want to cheer for a team that outspends mine by 300%

Brodeur
06-26-2011, 04:27 PM
If you don't put restricted Free Agent next to DeAndre's name Ghetto, I will punch you in the dick.

D-Unit
06-26-2011, 04:30 PM
Hold up, I'll run FA. New thread coming.

WMD
06-26-2011, 04:31 PM
If you don't put restricted Free Agent next to DeAndre's name Ghetto, I will punch you in the dick.
Which one???

LTgiants
06-26-2011, 04:43 PM
I apologize if it was posted somewhere and I missed it but what is the Vet minimum in this?

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 05:18 PM
For you guys releasing guys make sure you keep them on your pay roll. Also I'd like to make sure everyone knows that Deandre Jordan is an Unrestricted Free agent.

sbh15
06-26-2011, 05:22 PM
Jordan is a RFA according to ShamSports salary info

WMD
06-26-2011, 05:23 PM
Jordan is a RFA according to ShamSports salary info
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Brodeur
06-26-2011, 05:31 PM
For you guys releasing guys make sure you keep them on your pay roll. Also I'd like to make sure everyone knows that Deandre Jordan is an Unrestricted Free agent.

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SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 05:34 PM
nice D, we get our own board.

Brodeur
06-26-2011, 05:42 PM
Are we facing at the SWDC version of Wrestlemania or what?

D-Unit
06-26-2011, 06:33 PM
Check out the new FA Bidding instructions. Ask questions here.

princefielder28
06-26-2011, 06:53 PM
Mike Conley is on the block

also willing to move my 1st rounder in 2012 (unprotected)

looking for improvements at SF and C

LTgiants
06-26-2011, 07:17 PM
What is the vet minimum?

D-Unit
06-26-2011, 07:24 PM
What is the vet minimum?
Just say it.

LTgiants
06-26-2011, 07:26 PM
Just say it.

Do you know how much it is or not? I mean after all you are the one running this so how much is the veteran minimum?

Docta
06-26-2011, 07:27 PM
So what salary do we give our 2nd round picks?

princefielder28
06-26-2011, 07:28 PM
Do you know how much it is or not? I mean after all you are the one running this so how much is the veteran minimum?

it depends on the years of service

princefielder28
06-26-2011, 07:29 PM
So what salary do we give our 2nd round picks?

$473,000

....

WMD
06-26-2011, 07:31 PM
Just say it.

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SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 07:33 PM
I had no idea Millsap was one of the best PF's in the league lol.

sbh15
06-26-2011, 07:34 PM
I had no idea Millsap was one of the best PF's in the league lol.

In terms of efficiency, sure. I know NBA metrics aren't that good, but he's in the top 10 in PF PER

D-Unit
06-26-2011, 07:35 PM
Do you know how much it is or not? I mean after all you are the one running this so how much is the veteran minimum?
Oh forgive me for putting this together so you can have fun. Do you want your ass wiped now? I don't know how much it is. Google it yourself if you really want to know. Why can't you just say "Veteran's minimum" next to your offer? I'm trying to make this easy. This isn't the real NBA.

LTgiants
06-26-2011, 07:38 PM
Oh forgive me for putting this together so you can have fun. Do you want your ass wiped now? I don't know how much it is. Google it yourself if you really want to know. Why can't you just say "Veteran's minimum" next to your offer? I'm trying to make this easy. This isn't the real NBA.

I would love to have my ass wiped thank you for asking. Cause I figured their would be a issue with my salary cap not being 100% accurate if I just wrote Veteran Minimum.

You could have just said you didn't know without the attitude.

diabsoule
06-26-2011, 07:52 PM
Here's an article on the veteran minimum. It varies depending on how many years in the league player "x" has.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m57/kuzbu/untitled-6.jpg

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 07:54 PM
In terms of efficiency, sure. I know NBA metrics aren't that good, but he's in the top 10 in PF PER

He's definitely good but to call him, "one of the best PF's in the league" is a far stretch, he's in the 12-18 range.

OSUGiants17
06-26-2011, 07:57 PM
were is everyone getting numbers to add up their cap?

DJC
06-26-2011, 07:57 PM
were is everyone getting numbers to add up their cap?

hoopshype.com or shamsports.com

sbh15
06-26-2011, 07:58 PM
He's definitely good but to call him, "one of the best PF's in the league" is a far stretch, he's in the 12-18 range.

Maybe, but his game has developed quite a bit. He's a great rebounder and has developed a mid-range jumper over the past two seasons. If he was just a banger down low who got offensive boards and putbacks he'd be in that range, but I think the development of a game outside of the post bumps him up a notch. I can concede that he's not one of the best at the moment, but he's certainly close and he's only 26.

diabsoule
06-26-2011, 08:01 PM
were is everyone getting numbers to add up their cap?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

OKC's cap is $49,066,878. All you have to do is add the salaries of your rookies to it and the salary of Daequan Cook if you offered him a qualifying offer.

fenikz
06-26-2011, 08:03 PM
anyone know the maxes?

OSUGiants17
06-26-2011, 08:05 PM
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

OKC's cap is $49,066,878. All you have to do is add the salaries of your rookies to it and the salary of Daequan Cook if you offered him a qualifying offer.

What are the rookie salaries?

sbh15
06-26-2011, 08:05 PM
anyone know the maxes?

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q11

pretty much anything you could ask can be found somewhere in that FAQ

LTgiants
06-26-2011, 08:05 PM
So Vince Carter is not a free agent?

princefielder28
06-26-2011, 08:06 PM
Everyone must update their depth chart's with team salaries, rookie salaries can be found here: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9303

2nd round picks we will go with $473,000.



there you go OSU

fenikz
06-26-2011, 08:06 PM
yes he is.

OSUGiants17
06-26-2011, 08:06 PM
there you go OSU

ight thanks man

LTgiants
06-26-2011, 08:07 PM
yes he is.

I didn't see him on the list so I figured I would ask.

OSUGiants17
06-26-2011, 08:17 PM
Would someone mind checking my team salary, I took the number from hoopshype, added Cook, my rookies and Greene then subtracted Thabo since he was traded away.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 09:31 PM
Your bids won't be counted unless you follow the simple format.

princefielder28
06-26-2011, 09:34 PM
any news on the Bucks/Cavs trade??

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 09:52 PM
fenikz did u not read the rules? You can't make that Grant Hill offer, your offers for Nene and Afflalo alone put you near the cap limit. You do have Hill's bird rights but by offering for him now you'd have to withdraw one of those other offers.

Brodeur
06-26-2011, 09:57 PM
Oh so you can post in here for his by have to post in the DeAndre thread for me? YOU ARE MEAN GHETTO.

DJC
06-26-2011, 10:14 PM
Another Bogut trade decline, that's gotta be a record. First, I was getting too much from OKC for a top 10 center. Now, I'm giving away a legit all star and one of the top centers in the league..

I kid I kid. One of these days maybe Ill trade him though.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 10:18 PM
You can't tell me you can't get better for Bogut than Hasheem Thabeet, Daniel Gibson, and a first round pick which could be outside of the top 5?

DJC
06-26-2011, 10:24 PM
You can't tell me you can't get better for Bogut than Hasheem Thabeet, Daniel Gibson, and a first round pick which could be outside of the top 5?

No one has been able to offer anything else intriguing yet. And I would get two likely top 5 picks next year if I dealt Bogut, a year that's considered to be one of the strongest classes in a while.But I respect yalls decision and will try again.

Brodeur
06-26-2011, 10:25 PM
Well if Cleveland picks first again, you robbed him of Andre Drummond possibly. ROBBED. Otherwise it's ********.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 10:27 PM
No one has been able to offer anything else intriguing yet. And I would get two likely top 5 picks next year if I dealt Bogut, a year that's considered to be one of the strongest classes in a while.But I respect yalls decision and will try again.

Yeah I understand your point of view but trading a high quality center on a prayer is so risky, I said it but we'll reconsider if you can pull a real asset from the Cavs. A Beaubois or Marshon Brooks maybe.

diabsoule
06-26-2011, 10:28 PM
Yeah I understand your point of view but trading a high quality center on a prayer is so risky, I said it but we'll reconsider if you can pull a real asset from the Cavs. A Beaubois or Marshon Brooks maybe.

Which still leaves Thabeet or Jonas playing the 5.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-26-2011, 10:33 PM
I believe the plan is to tank the season, lol.

diabsoule
06-26-2011, 10:33 PM
I believe the plan is to tank the season, lol.

and then lose the lottery!

Brodeur
06-26-2011, 10:35 PM
I believe the plan is to tank the season, lol.

For ANDRE ******* DRUMMOND.

DJC
06-26-2011, 10:39 PM
Plan is to rebuild and get some players with some potential instead of being stuck as a middle of the pack team and keep overpaying vets on the wrong side of their primes.

D-Unit
06-27-2011, 12:31 AM
IF ANYONE IS CAUGHT OFFERING THEIR MLE TO SEVERAL PLAYERS AT THE SAME TIME, THEN THEY WILL FORFEIT ALL FA SIGNINGS FOR THE REST OF THIS OFFSEASON.

Just a warning.

Zycho32
06-27-2011, 01:01 AM
So we're not operating under the clocks- noon to midnight EST?

Fair enough by me if this is the case.

RaiderNation
06-27-2011, 01:01 AM
Man I hope I am able to keep Thornton and Dalembert. If they agree to the current contacts I offered, I will have around $11M to spend next off season if needed.

RaiderNation
06-27-2011, 01:57 AM
Also the Kings might be interested in a sign and trade exchange if the right deal comes across. We have a ton of cap so just send a PM

SeanTaylorRIP
06-27-2011, 07:06 AM
You can only S&T your own free agents.

Zycho32
06-27-2011, 08:51 AM
What's the policy on UDFA?

sbh15
06-27-2011, 10:01 AM
Next time we do this teams need to be given the chance to resign one of their UFAs before they hit the open market. There are going to be way too many good players signing for the veteran's minimum

EDIT: I also think we should be able to offer the money we want if we have the cap space. I really run the risk of getting totally ****** if I don't sign Chandler because all of my cap space is tied up in his offer and I won't know his decision until after the deadline.

Another edit: Am I confused here? I saw Denver offer big contracts to two centers, which makes me wonder if I actually can offer multiple deals with my cap space. Is it just the MLE and LLE that we can't offer to multiple players at the same time? Someone let me know if I goofed so I can rescind the offer I made to Nene.

YAYareaRB
06-27-2011, 12:16 PM
We should fire our coaches and hire new ones

Zycho32
06-27-2011, 12:20 PM
Well, according to the rules, you can offer as many contracts as your cap space allows. Denver- my team- seems to have enough to make such offers. Though if I am in error, I should like to know, so I may rescind one or more offers.

sbh15
06-27-2011, 12:21 PM
Well, according to the rules, you can offer as many contracts as your cap space allows. Denver- my team- seems to have enough to make such offers. Though if I am in error, I should like to know, so I may rescind one or more offers.

I didn't really look, I just figured that nobody had the space to offer 2 different centers 50 million.

Zycho32
06-27-2011, 12:23 PM
Well, Denver does have over 30 million in space, which I'm pretty sure means I get no exceptions whatsoever.

D-Unit
06-27-2011, 01:14 PM
Well, according to the rules, you can offer as many contracts as your cap space allows. Denver- my team- seems to have enough to make such offers. Though if I am in error, I should like to know, so I may rescind one or more offers.
Please check your numbers and lay them out so we can see the details. From an eye ball test, I think you're over.

Zycho32
06-27-2011, 01:32 PM
Please check your numbers and lay them out so we can see the details. From an eye ball test, I think you're over.

I'm guessing I can't go over via a Free Agent signing. Very well, the Nene contract offer put me above 55 million, so I rescinded that.

sbh15
06-27-2011, 01:33 PM
I'm guessing I can't go over via a Free Agent signing. Very well, the Nene contract offer put me above 55 million, so I rescinded that.

The Nene contract is actually allowed to put you over since you have bird rights, I just don't think you can offer Jordan quite so much.

Also, does Thad Young affect my cap at all now that Detroit offered him something above the qualifying offer? I have $3mil in space with the Chandler offer, am I allowed to use that as I please? And does the LLE count against my cap number immediately, or only after the FA period has passed?

Zycho32
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
That's kinda of odd.... was it the number of years?

sbh15
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
That's kinda of odd.... was it the number of years?

Bird rights still kind of confuse me, I just know that you're allowed to go over 55 mil in total cap to sign Nene. You still are only allowed to offer as much money as you have.

LTgiants
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
So much time do you have to work out a S&T of your own RFA?

D-Unit
06-27-2011, 02:06 PM
The Nene contract is actually allowed to put you over since you have bird rights, I just don't think you can offer Jordan quite so much.

Also, does Thad Young affect my cap at all now that Detroit offered him something above the qualifying offer? I have $3mil in space with the Chandler offer, am I allowed to use that as I please? And does the LLE count against my cap number immediately, or only after the FA period has passed?
You can't sign an UFA and then expect to use Bird rights to keep your own FA. Zycho can only go for 1 center at the dollars he's dishing out.

Zycho32
06-27-2011, 02:11 PM
Well, so long as that's cleared up, time to sink or swim on my gamble.

sbh15
06-27-2011, 02:11 PM
You can't sign an UFA and then expect to use Bird rights to keep your own FA. Zycho can only go for 1 center at the dollars he's dishing out.

Well now that I look at his depth chart, he's only got 23 million on the books. As long as the first year totals for both centers + other offers aren't over 32 million, he's good.

D-Unit
06-27-2011, 02:20 PM
Well now that I look at his depth chart, he's only got 23 million on the books. As long as the first year totals for both centers + other offers aren't over 32 million, he's good.
...that and his other offers as well.

If I have to tally it up and he's over, I'm forfeiting all his signings because I've given fair warning and I've even asked him to lay out the details for which he hasn't. When I tally, I will be dividing the total by the years since there is no yearly breakdown.

DJC
06-27-2011, 03:03 PM
Is it just me, or alot of these offers illegal? I thought the max % increase per year was like 10%. You cant offer $2m the first year and $10 mill the next.

sbh15
06-27-2011, 03:05 PM
Is it just me, or alot of these offers illegal? I thought the max % increase per year was like 10%. You cant offer $2m the first year and $10 mill the next.

The max increase is 8%/year, but I think it can decrease by any amount

DJC
06-27-2011, 03:13 PM
The max increase is 8%/year, but I think it can decrease by any amount

Ok I thought it was something like that. But I see a few people offering weird contracts were it jumps up like $5+ mill in one year, aka STRIP with Yao.

scottyboy
06-27-2011, 03:48 PM
holy ****, after an obsecenely busy 2 days I come back to this. yikes, i'll have my cap stuff up and hopefully can grab som FA guys

Zycho32
06-27-2011, 04:10 PM
...that and his other offers as well.

If I have to tally it up and he's over, I'm forfeiting all his signings because I've given fair warning and I've even asked him to lay out the details for which he hasn't. When I tally, I will be dividing the total by the years since there is no yearly breakdown.

Well, fair enough. Here's how it breaks down since I dropped out of the 'Nene' sweepstakes;

Current Salary: $23,798,414

Offered Contracts:
-DeAndre Jordan, 5 yrs, 50 Million ($10,000,000 per year)
-Andre Kirilenko, 4 yrs, 30 Million ($7,500,000 per year)
-Shannon Brown, 2 yrs, 8 Million ($4,000,000 per year)

Present RFA:
-Aron Affalo, contract of 5 yrs, $37,885,677 matched ($6,205,579 First Year)
-Wilson Chandler, Qualifying Offer of $3,099,850.

Added altogether, the total amount is $54,603,843, juuuust below the line.

It'll be about midnight or sometime past before I can re-check and see which players I've missed out on, or if I do lose all signings, but I think right now I'm clear.

scottyboy
06-27-2011, 04:50 PM
so I can keep offering as long as with all my offers I'd be under the cap, correct? I'm just making sure, don't wanna get penalized for sending out all my offers so far (I've been posting my current salary with each offer, but I know that even with all my signed guys, I'd still be well under the cap

sbh15
06-27-2011, 05:00 PM
Yeah, I'm a little confused by this. Are my offers in combination with my RFA's good to go? I just don't want to hit the deadline and then be told something is messed up and have everything void.

sbh15
06-27-2011, 06:27 PM
Sam Young wasn't an RFA, he had a team option which Memphis exercised.

LTgiants
06-27-2011, 06:43 PM
fenikz did u not read the rules? You can't make that Grant Hill offer, your offers for Nene and Afflalo alone put you near the cap limit. You do have Hill's bird rights but by offering for him now you'd have to withdraw one of those other offers.

What happened to this? I thought he had to withdraw offers if he wanted to sign Hill.

D-Unit
06-27-2011, 07:03 PM
What happened to this? I thought he had to withdraw offers if he wanted to sign Hill.
I didn't know about this. I'll let STRIP handle it. He can undo what I did.

Brodeur
06-27-2011, 07:32 PM
Done with free agency, but still open to trading non Blake Griffin people.

LTgiants
06-27-2011, 08:15 PM
How do you trade a fa without a contract?

SeanTaylorRIP
06-27-2011, 08:15 PM
Sam Young wasn't an RFA, he had a team option which Memphis exercised.

You are right Sam Young stays with the Grizzlies my bad.

sbh15
06-27-2011, 08:24 PM
Is there going to be a decision made about Tyson Chandler soon? The bidding should be closed and I really need to know if I signed him or if I can use those 14m elsewhere

D-Unit
06-27-2011, 08:51 PM
So what do you guys think of this method for FA compared to how it was done in the past?

princefielder28
06-27-2011, 08:54 PM
So what do you guys think of this method for FA compared to how it was done in the past?

i prefer this method

sbh15
06-27-2011, 08:54 PM
It has potential, it just sucks that we don't find out decisions on bids until after the deadline. For example, my team. I have a $13.5mil offer out to Tyson Chandler that I feel confident in, but I won't know for sure until a decision is made. In the event I don't sign him, I can't go back and put a bid in on a guy like Nene (or use that money elsewhere), who I would have to money for. Teams are negotiating with multiple guys at a time usually, not just putting all of their eggs in one basket and hoping it works out.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-27-2011, 08:57 PM
It has potential, it just sucks that we don't find out decisions on bids until after the deadline. For example, my team. I have a $13.5mil offer out to Tyson Chandler that I feel confident in, but I won't know for sure until a decision is made. In the event I don't sign him, I can't go back and put a bid in on a guy like Nene (or use that money elsewhere), who I would have to money for. Teams are negotiating with multiple guys at a time usually, not just putting all of their eggs in one basket and hoping it works out.

Well that's kind of real life though. Players don't wait till the end to see who bids highest. If they see an offer they like, they sign.

sbh15
06-27-2011, 09:01 PM
Well that's kind of real life though. Players don't wait till the end to see who bids highest. If they see an offer they like, they sign.

I agree with that completely. My point is teams are negotiating with and getting feedback from the players, not just offering a contract and saying "Well if we end up signing this guy we have no more cap space, so we better not offer any more contracts". They have backup plans. If you're offering a big contract, this method forces you to put all of your eggs in one basket and hope you get the guy, because if you don't there's no plan B.

D-Unit
06-27-2011, 09:05 PM
I agree with that completely. My point is teams are negotiating with and getting feedback from the players, not just offering a contract and saying "Well if we end up signing this guy we have no more cap space, so we better not offer any more contracts". They have backup plans. If you're offering a big contract, this method forces you to put all of your eggs in one basket and hope you get the guy, because if you don't there's no plan B.
I'm not really concerned with what you have to say. You won't be in any mocks I run in the future.

scottyboy
06-27-2011, 09:08 PM
so does STRIP's offer for Humphries stand? Like do I need to be concerned with matching once he updates his salary or is his offer invalid?

sbh15
06-27-2011, 09:10 PM
I'm not really concerned with what you have to say. You won't be in any mocks I run in the future.

I'm not really concerned with that fact. I'm just trying to help improve the system.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-27-2011, 09:14 PM
so does STRIP's offer for Humphries stand? Like do I need to be concerned with matching once he updates his salary or is his offer invalid?

I haven't signed anyone yet. Sam Young was the only signing but rescinded as we learned Memphis had picked up his team option, Thad Young offer, Sixers matched it. I have two offers right now for Humphries and Chandler, I still have space for both if it happened.

scottyboy
06-27-2011, 09:16 PM
that works, I wasn't aware, just going off D's post. I matched, Hump is mine. STAY AWAY DAMMIT

SeanTaylorRIP
06-27-2011, 09:17 PM
Unless someone offers more I pretty much resign to the fact that he'd take your deal.

Brodeur
06-27-2011, 09:21 PM
Why does no one want to trade with me :(

SeanTaylorRIP
06-27-2011, 09:29 PM
I will trade Ben Gordon for literally anything.

Brodeur
06-27-2011, 09:30 PM
I would if I didn't have a berjillion shooters.

diabsoule
06-27-2011, 09:34 PM
I'd take Gordon if I didn't have Mayo and if Gordon's contract wasn't horrendous

SeanTaylorRIP
06-27-2011, 09:58 PM
Final Rockets Roster:

PG: Kyle Lowry/Jordan Farmar/Keyon Dooling
SG: John Salmons/Ronnie Brewer/Courtney Lee/Reggie Williams
SF: Thabo Sefelosha/Chris Singleton
PF: Andrea Bargnani/Taj Gibson/Brian Cardinal
C: Chris Kaman/Anderson Varejao/Aaron Gray

I noticed my team was too defensive so I added Bargnani, Reggie Williams, and Salmons. With Salmons, Brewer, Lee, Sefolosha, and Singleton, my perimter defense will be sick. Also love having Taj Gibson and Anderson Varejao come off the bench. Aaron Gray can also body up some of the big guys in the league. My inactives would be Dooling, Cardinal, and Gray when he's not needed. Otherwise it would be Williams.

DJC
06-27-2011, 10:00 PM
I know one of yall want Maggette. Quality vet swing, strong finisher who gets to the line as good as anyone, only two years left on his contract.