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D-Unit
07-04-2011, 10:15 AM
Sorry D, I tried to make adjustments to teams rosters who I knew were missing someone, but there were just so many damn transactions to remember.
Oh it's ok. Totally my fault. At least you know part of the reason why I haven't been as on top of things as I've wanted because of things at home.

DJC
07-04-2011, 10:40 AM
So whats the next step? Make a list of draft eligible players so we can start the draft?

scottyboy
07-04-2011, 10:48 AM
so D, I take it you're not answering my PM is gonna be a no.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 10:54 AM
Oh it's ok. Totally my fault. At least you know part of the reason why I haven't been as on top of things as I've wanted because of things at home.

no worries bruddah

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 10:55 AM
So whats the next step? Make a list of draft eligible players so we can start the draft?

I'll work on it. Probably won't have anything done today

OSUGiants17
07-04-2011, 12:48 PM
When are we looking to do the 2012 draft?

RaiderNation
07-04-2011, 01:14 PM
I know it's early but the Kings are looking to add a talented Big Man. PM me if your trying to move one.

Also STRIP are we going to get any key stats for players on our teams? Like who under performed and who improved?

fenikz
07-04-2011, 02:22 PM
Looking to move Rashard's expiring

LTgiants
07-04-2011, 02:31 PM
Portland has a bunch of expiring contracts that they would be willing to move.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 02:43 PM
Looking to move Rashard's expiring

This is the 2012 offseason, Rashard is a free agent.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 02:44 PM
I know it's early but the Kings are looking to add a talented Big Man. PM me if your trying to move one.

Also STRIP are we going to get any key stats for players on our teams? Like who under performed and who improved?

Yeah I'll try to put something together.

fenikz
07-04-2011, 02:45 PM
This is the 2012 offseason, Rashard is a free agent.

not according to Hoopshype

12/13 $23,790,000

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 03:44 PM
not according to Hoopshype

12/13 $23,790,000

yup you are right hh updated.

Brodeur
07-04-2011, 04:08 PM
You're supposed to tell me whether Aminu or Bledsoe improved at alllllll :(.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 04:12 PM
You're supposed to tell me whether Aminu or Bledsoe improved at alllllll :(.

Aminu: 7.3 ppg, 3.9 rpg
Bledsoe: 11.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 5.1 apg, 2.9 topg

prock
07-04-2011, 04:25 PM
How did Rubio, Crawford, Wes, Batum, and Javale develop?

OSUGiants17
07-04-2011, 04:26 PM
How did Harden and Ibaka do?

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 04:37 PM
Rubio: 6.1 ppg, 4.1 apg
Crawford: 15.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.8 apg
Wes: 12.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg
Batum: 10.5 ppg, 4.9 rpg
Javale: 12.2 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 2.9 bpg

Harden: 16.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 4.4 apg
Ibaka: 12.4 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 2.7 bpg

Brodeur
07-04-2011, 04:39 PM
Yeesh, you must hate Aminu.

sbh15
07-04-2011, 04:58 PM
Turner, Thad Young?

RaiderNation
07-04-2011, 05:02 PM
I guess I will join in

Can I get Evans, Cousins, Knight and Thornton

prock
07-04-2011, 05:15 PM
Alright. Well I am in the hunt for a very good PG. Who is looking to deal?

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 05:15 PM
Evan Turner: 12.3 ppg, 2.7 apg, 4.1 rpg
Thad: 14.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg

Reke: 21.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 6.3 apg
Cousins: 16.1 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 44% fgp
Knight: 9.7 ppg, 2.1 apg
Thornton: 17.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg

DJC
07-04-2011, 05:31 PM
Steph Curry, Ekpe Udoh, Alec Burks

LTgiants
07-04-2011, 05:34 PM
Derrick Brown! lol

fenikz
07-04-2011, 05:34 PM
JDudz!? ten

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 05:34 PM
Steph Curry, Ekpe Udoh, Alec Burks

Curry: 22.4 ppg, 4.9 apg 4.2 rpg
Udoh: 7.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.3 bpg
Burks: 10.3 ppg, 2.9 agp

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 06:03 PM
Big free agent summer coming up, Pistons will fully take on literally almost any contract in exchange for a highish first round pick.

prock
07-04-2011, 06:31 PM
Wolves also have lots of cap space, willing to take on contracts, big ones. I just need a stud PG some way.

OSUGiants17
07-04-2011, 07:03 PM
Can I get stats for Perkins, Parsons and Collison? Thanks STRIP

diabsoule
07-04-2011, 07:19 PM
Hornets willing to trade Chuck Hayes, Brandon Bass, or Martell Webster's expiring for a big. Also willing to trade Markieff Morris for a 1st rd pick.

fenikz
07-04-2011, 07:51 PM
if anyone is interested in Robin Lopez, Dominique Jones & my 1st, I may be looking to package them for a more proven player

Brodeur
07-04-2011, 07:52 PM
Willing to package 8th overall with someone for an awesome PG or SF or some crap.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 07:57 PM
Can I get stats for Perkins, Parsons and Collison? Thanks STRIP

Perkins: 6.3 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 1.2 bpg
Parsons: 5.1 ppg, 3.3 rpg
Collison: 6.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg

scottyboy
07-04-2011, 08:04 PM
Nets have a LOT of young guys with fairly cheap options that could be picked up and expire next year. Looking to package them fo a good calibur wing player. Good guys for a team looking for cap space/rebuilding/potential

Bosanac01
07-04-2011, 08:13 PM
I'll give you Joe Johnson.

fenikz
07-04-2011, 08:25 PM
Can I get stats for the Wizard's starting 5

MOTH needs to do his sim again

sbh15
07-04-2011, 08:42 PM
i'll run a 2k basketball sim once 2k12 comes out

SeanTaylorRIP
07-04-2011, 09:05 PM
Can I get stats for the Wizard's starting 5

MOTH needs to do his sim again

John Wall: 18.3 ppg, 9.2 apg, 5.1 rpg, 2.0 spg
Nick Young: 19.1 ppg, 2.8 rpg
Jan Vesely: 8.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg
Derrick Favors: 13.4 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.4 bpg
Enes Kanter: 12.3 ppg, 7.8 rpg

RaiderNation
07-04-2011, 10:24 PM
Kings are looking for startig caliber PG. We have a trade that we haven't agreed to yet but if it gets done we would like to use the lottery pick and a player to trade for the PG. PM for details.

WMD
07-04-2011, 10:27 PM
Alright we don't need STRIP to play the Dungeon Master all night..

P.S. Can you tell me Jason Collins' Assist to Turnover ratio please!??!?

WMD
07-05-2011, 01:04 AM
I'll officially put Pau Gasol out there on the block.

and I told myself before the season that if the Heat didn't at least make the Finals, I'd break up the BIG THREE. So, Bosh is out there anddddd just for fun, I'm up for moving LeBron. I probably won't trade him, but we'll see what you guys can come up with.

DJC
07-05-2011, 09:15 AM
Warriors looking to make some moves. Everyone is available outside of Steph Curry.

Same with the Bucks, with #9 and possibly #4 up for grabs.

YAYareaRB
07-05-2011, 03:03 PM
I'm not too sure if the Jazz need to make any moves besides some depth chart movement.

RaiderNation
07-05-2011, 04:52 PM
I am a bit confused on what I am suppose to do with a few of my players contract #'s...

First off Dexter Pittman's contract says $MIN, so is that the veteran min?
What do we put for our 2nd round picks #'s from last year?
What is the exact number for the veteran min?

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/heat.jsp

Zycho32
07-05-2011, 04:53 PM
Alright, I'll bite- did Gallinari and Kirilenko make ANY sort of statisitcal improvement this year?

D-Unit
07-05-2011, 06:05 PM
I am a bit confused on what I am suppose to do with a few of my players contract #'s...

First off Dexter Pittman's contract says $MIN, so is that the veteran min?
What do we put for our 2nd round picks #'s from last year?
What is the exact number for the veteran min?

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/heat.jsp
Min/Max Salaries The following are the minimum salaries based on years of experience in the league.

Min Salaries Max Salaries
R - $442,114 $13,758,000
1 - $711,517 $13,758,000
2 - $797,581 $13,758,000
3 - $826,629 $13,758,000
4 - $854,957 $13,758,000
5 - $926,678 $13,758,000
6 - $998,398 $13,758,000
7 - $1,070,118 $16,509,600
8 - $1,141,838 $16,509,600
9 - $1,147,533 $16,509,600
10+ - $1,262,275 $19,261,200


Salary for 2nd Round Rookies: $442,114

SeanTaylorRIP
07-05-2011, 07:55 PM
Tenative Early Entry list, list is negotiable to remove or add names:

From Prep Ranks:
Andre Drummond(HSSR)

Freshman:
Anthony Davis(FR)
Quincy Miller(FR)
Adonis Thomas(FR)
Michael Gilchrist(FR)
James McAdoo(FR)
Marquis Teague(FR)
LeBryan Nash(FR)
Bradley Beal(FR)
Austin Rivers(FR)
Tony Wrotten(FR)

Sophomore:
Harrison Barnes(Soph)
Jared Sullinger(Soph)
Perry Jones(Soph)
Terrence Jones(Soph)
Kendall Marshall(Soph)
Josh Smith(Soph)
CJ Leslie(Soph)
Jeremy Lamb(Soph)
Doron Lamb(Soph)
Will Barton(Soph)

Junior:
Thomas Robinson(JR)
Mouph Yarou(JR)
Hollis Thompson(JR)
John Henson(JR)
Rodney Williams(JR)
Maalik Wayans(JR)
Renardo Sidney(JR)
John Jenkins(JR)
Alex Oriaki(JR)
Khris Middleton(JR)
Durand Scott(JR)

International:
Lucas Nogueira(BRAZIL)
Augusto Caesar Lima(BRAZIL)
Leon Radosevic(CROATIA)
Joffrey Lauvergne(FRANCE)
Evan Fournier(FRANCE)
Andrew Albicy(FRANCE)
Rudy Gobert(FRANCE)

Notable Seniors:
Kris Joseph(SYRACUSE)
Tyler Zeller(UNC)
William Buford(OHIO STATE)
Jeff Taylor(VANDY)
Bradford Burgess(VCU)
Tu Holliday(Xavier)
Miles Plumley(Duke)
Scoop Jardine(Syracuse)
Yancy Gates(CINCI)
Jason Clark(GEORGETOWN)
Tyshawn Taylor(KANSAS)
Trevor Mbakwe(MINNESOTA)
Jordan Taylor(WISCONSIN)
Kyle Fogg(ARIZONA)
Xavier Gibson(FLORIDA STATE)
Quincy Acy(BAYLOR)
Laurence Bowers(MISSOURI)
JaMychal Green(ALABAMA)
Dario Hunt(NEVADA)
Draymond Green(MICHIGAN STATE)

Brodeur
07-05-2011, 07:58 PM
Donde Myck Kabongo?

SeanTaylorRIP
07-05-2011, 08:00 PM
Yah he's one of the fringe guys, I just feel like he's so raw, it's negotiable though. I do feel like we already have a lot of freshman declaring. I mean compare it to this years draft class. I don't want to make this a super unrealistically strong draft.

OSUGiants17
07-05-2011, 10:42 PM
Fab Melo??

Docta
07-05-2011, 10:51 PM
Again, Drummond's coach doesn't think he's gonna declare, and his mom wants him to go to college. Highly unlikely that he declares.

RaiderNation
07-05-2011, 10:52 PM
Again, Drummond's coach doesn't think he's gonna declare, and his mom wants him to go to college. Highly unlikely that he declares.

I think this is the last draft we are doing for this forum mock, so even though it might be likely he is leaning toward going to college it would be fun to have him in this draft.

Brodeur
07-05-2011, 10:57 PM
Again, Drummond's coach doesn't think he's gonna declare, and his mom wants him to go to college. Highly unlikely that he declares.

Except that he has rebuked EVERY college that has come to him and has shown no interest in any whatsoever. Plus, he could have graduated this year because he had the credits to do so, but chose to go back to high school.

Docta
07-05-2011, 10:58 PM
And I think Terrence Jones is definitely going to declare. He was on the fence about it this last year, and if they don't win this year with the new talent coming in, there's no point in staying again.

DJC
07-05-2011, 11:05 PM
Was going to say Fab Melo too, also Patric Young.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-06-2011, 04:53 AM
Was going to say Fab Melo too, also Patric Young.

forgot Terrence Jones he's been added but Melo and Young I'm not comfortable with adding, those are two guys who have already been in college and haven't yet proven anything, I don't want to put them in there strictly on guessing potential. I know I did that with HSSR's, but I think the entry list is already too abundant. This draft already has too many lottery caliber players, if not you are going to get too high of caliber players in the 20's which defeats the purpose of having a higher pick. I'm pretty comfortable with the list. Probably 4 or 5 incoming freshman I have on that list won't even be in the draft next year. Just look at Sullinger, Barnes, and Perry Jones from a year ago. We can't have every single player who's on the draft radar declare, which is why I've held back guys like Kabongo, Young, and Melo.

As for Drummond he has shown no interest to go to college and probably just doesn't want to take the Jeremy Tyler route he is likely to contest being drafted from the prep ranks.

Caddy
07-06-2011, 05:11 AM
Can I get stats for the Wizard's starting 5

MOTH needs to do his sim again

I co-sign this idea.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-06-2011, 05:17 AM
Alright, I'll bite- did Gallinari and Kirilenko make ANY sort of statisitcal improvement this year?

Galllo: 17.4 ppg, 5.2 rpg
Kirilenko: 12.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.8 apg

WMD
07-06-2011, 05:27 AM
I never got Jason Collins' assist to turnover ratio.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-06-2011, 05:29 AM
I never got Jason Collins' assist to turnover ratio.
here ya go:

0:20

diabsoule
07-06-2011, 12:51 PM
Curious on Hornets starting 5 stats.

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 01:09 PM
When do you guys want to start the draft? Should we just use the names available on nbadraft.net? What? What? What?

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 01:12 PM
Ghetto posted the eligible names on the previous page.

DJC
07-06-2011, 01:19 PM
Warriors ready to make their selection

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 01:23 PM
Your pick could break two trades, true story.

RaiderNation
07-06-2011, 01:30 PM
Shouldn't we do the qualifying offers and such before the draft? Or atleast get a F/A list?

DJC
07-06-2011, 02:23 PM
In that case, ill give yall a hint.

The player I'm taking has the initals AD

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 02:32 PM
Adrian Dantley just got fired by the Nuggets, so wise choice DJC wise choice.

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 02:50 PM
Shouldn't we do the qualifying offers and such before the draft? Or atleast get a F/A list?
You can google the FA list. Qualifying offers doesn't affect the draft. I dunno, what are you thinking?

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 02:55 PM
I'll put a list together of the UFA and RFA.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 03:43 PM
Remind me to stab myself later for volunteering to do this.

RaiderNation
07-06-2011, 03:47 PM
You can google the FA list. Qualifying offers doesn't affect the draft. I dunno, what are you thinking?

It's just the order we did it last time, but it's w/e

fenikz
07-06-2011, 03:57 PM
In that case, ill give yall a hint.

The player I'm taking has the initals AD

We all hate you

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 03:57 PM
It's just the order we did it last time, but it's w/e
Oh humm.... yea ok. Once Brodeur releases the FA list with those with qualifying offers, then we can do that.

DJC
07-06-2011, 04:16 PM
Ok, next hint

He is black.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 04:19 PM
There you go children. Decide on your team options and qualifying offers as quickly as possible.

sbh15
07-06-2011, 05:01 PM
The entire Philadelphia 76ers roster is on the block, Parker included. I'd really like to move Turner, Young, and/or Millsap.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 05:15 PM
The entire Philadelphia 76ers roster is on the block, Parker included. I'd really like to move Turner, Young, and/or Millsap.

You still have to pick up the team option on Young (or decline it, either way).

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 06:03 PM
So Orlando brings in Raymond Felton, JR Smith, Michael Beasley, Tayshaun Prince, Elton Brand while keeping Jameer and Hedo... and Dwight opts out?

Ha ha ha... yeah right.

yo123
07-06-2011, 06:04 PM
Why the hell wouldn't he opt out? There is no downside.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 06:06 PM
Nice logic there D-Unit. Dwight is opting out regardless of what the team is around him.

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 06:07 PM
Why the hell wouldn't he opt out? There is no downside.
Well he's turning down $19,536,360 for one year. The max he could get is $16,509,600 from a team other than Orlando.

Answer your question?

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 06:08 PM
Nice logic there D-Unit. Dwight is opting out regardless of what the team is around him.
Feel free to explain. I'll keep an open mind.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 06:10 PM
Because he's going to want a long term max contract. If you can find a single person to agree with your homeristic view that he'll not opt out, go ahead and maybe I'll be inclined to agree.

WMD
07-06-2011, 06:11 PM
I think JR Smith and Brand were only on vet minimum contracts, so they're splittin just like Dwight split

DJC
07-06-2011, 06:11 PM
Sign and trade Dwight to the Warriors..

http://cdn05.duonox.com/files/images/adrummond04.jpg

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 06:15 PM
Because he's going to want a long term max contract. If you can find a single person to agree with your homeristic view that he'll not opt out, go ahead and maybe I'll be inclined to agree.
If that's what he wants, who can give him a better contract than Orlando can? If I have to wait for FA to sign him I will using his Bird rights. I'm not worried, I'm just questioning. Sheesh. Calm down.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 06:21 PM
Don't ******* TELL ME TO CALM DOWN YOU DAMN HAWAIIAN. I WILL DO AS I PLEASE, WHEN I PLEASE. IS THAT UNDERSTOOD?

fenikz
07-06-2011, 06:38 PM
that works perfectly with your sig

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 06:45 PM
Don't ******* TELL ME TO CALM DOWN YOU DAMN HAWAIIAN. I WILL DO AS I PLEASE, WHEN I PLEASE. IS THAT UNDERSTOOD?

http://media.scout.com/media/avatars/8/9/bakerzach.gif

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 06:49 PM
http://media.scout.com/media/avatars/8/9/bakerzach.gif

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g389/Demented316/steve-austin.gif

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 07:01 PM
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g389/Demented316/steve-austin.gif

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o110/angelofecci/ChunkTruffleShuffle.gif

fenikz
07-06-2011, 07:02 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lns5ozrE2s1qc1au2.gif

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 07:23 PM
You know D, you could have picked up or declined Orton's option (as well as extended a qualifying offer to Beasley) instead of just blabbing about Dwight opting out.

LTgiants
07-06-2011, 07:25 PM
Is there a cap expert available to help me with something?

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 07:27 PM
What do you need help with?

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 07:27 PM
You know D, you could have picked up or declined Orton's option (as well as extended a qualifying offer to Beasley) instead of just blabbing about Dwight opting out.
I mostly thought it was funny that you thought that since you created the the FA list that you could make all the determinations on what the FAs do.

Ahh.. the power of volunteering...

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 07:31 PM
Every single decision I made is based in reality. Just because you're delusional enough to think that Dwight wouldn't opt out doesn't mean he won't.

EDIT: Jameer's final year isn't unguaranteed, where the bloody hell did you get that from?

LTgiants
07-06-2011, 07:33 PM
What do you need help with?

sign on to aim cause pm's takes to long.

fenikz
07-06-2011, 07:36 PM
Dwight shall join CP3 & Nene in Phoenix :D

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 07:43 PM
Every single decision I made is based in reality. Just because you're delusional enough to think that Dwight wouldn't opt out doesn't mean he won't.

EDIT: Jameer's final year isn't unguaranteed, where the bloody hell did you get that from?
OK, that'll be the last insult from you. Take that as an official warning.

I think it's logical for Dwight to opt out if the Magic fail to make moves to improve the team, but I feel like through the moves made in this mock that Dwight would be satisfied enough. I don't know if you even considered that when you decided to make him opt out.

...and Jameer's contract is unguaranteed. See Shamsports.

scottyboy
07-06-2011, 07:45 PM
D, Brody's going more based off reality. Dwight hasn't been shy about saying he'd like to explore free agency. I'm ok with Deron opting out because it's no shock, and I'm fairly confident, based on reports and his quotes towards the team, he'll stay a Net

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 07:46 PM
I'm fixing the minimum thing then I'm done with dealing with Free Agency crap. I tried but apparently D-Unit just likes to bludgeon things into the ground.

yo123
07-06-2011, 07:50 PM
Son of a ***** people can we get through one single thing on this site without a bitching match?

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 07:54 PM
I'm fixing the minimum thing then I'm done with dealing with Free Agency crap. I tried but apparently D-Unit just likes to bludgeon things into the ground.
Actually, I made a mistake on the Jameer thing. His is a player option. Redick's was unguaranteed. Got them mixed up.

edit: and Dwight is a FA. Let's see how interesting this gets.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 07:57 PM
Was that so hard? I honestly don't know if Jameer would exercise his player option or not, sort of iffy on that...

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 08:08 PM
Was that so hard? I honestly don't know if Jameer would exercise his player option or not, sort of iffy on that...
I already said before that I plan on offering him the most money using Bird rights.

I don't know why you think I'm manipulating the game. I haven't approved my own trades, I haven't hiddenly decided my FA signings (the new way avoided conspiracy behind that)... I start these things up, volunteer my time, am constantly harassed and you want to pin on me that I'm some corrupt gamer? You couldn't even handle FA without quitting.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 08:12 PM
When did I ever say anything about you fixing the game for yourself? I was tired of your bitching.

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 08:17 PM
When did I ever say anything about you fixing the game for yourself? I was tired of your bitching.
Pshh... Don't even act like I'm a complainer. I'm a complainer-puter-outer.

http://batterymouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/angrypanda.gif

SeanTaylorRIP
07-06-2011, 08:18 PM
All the guys who got signed to veterans minimums are free agents.

DJC
07-06-2011, 08:20 PM
Ahh im soo ready to start this draft

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 08:21 PM
All the guys who got signed to veterans minimums are free agents.
I don't think you can say that. None of this was mentioned during FA when players were getting these contracts.

...and there are multi-year veteran minimum contracts that do exist in the NBA.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 08:22 PM
All the guys who got signed to veterans minimums are free agents.

So JR Smith, Cartier Martin, Francisco Elson, and Dan Gadzuric are free agents then?

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 08:25 PM
So JR Smith, Cartier Martin, Francisco Elson, and Dan Gadzuric are free agents then?
Yeah, just let me know. Won't complain about it. Just want reason and explanation why this wasn't brought up earlier.

sbh15
07-06-2011, 08:26 PM
MINIMUM PLAYER SALARY EXCEPTION -- Teams can offer players minimum salary contracts even if they are over the cap. Contracts can be up to two years in length. For two year contracts, the second season salary is the minimum salary for that season.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19

fenikz
07-06-2011, 08:29 PM
If you didn't state 2 years why would we assume its 2 years

SeanTaylorRIP
07-06-2011, 08:29 PM
ok i mean i just assumed all of you who were signing guys to "veterans minimum" were signing to 1 year deals as you'd note if you were offering more than one, but I'll give you all liberty to exercise best judgment I suppose. I just feel like a lot of guys got signed to the minimum simply because we could however if we are being any sort of realistic not sure why some of these guys would sign a two year minimum.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 08:30 PM
Outside of JR Smith (how did he get a minimum contract?!), those players suck anyways so I don't give a ****.

And Ghetto, those guys were the ones that got specifically offered two year minimum offers, so the rest are free agents. Well, Elson's deal was botched but I'll let it slide because Elson sucks.

fenikz
07-06-2011, 08:32 PM
because they started FA then implemented a 8 hour rule which no one knew about so lots of guys signed really cheap

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 08:33 PM
because they started FA then implemented a 8 hour rule which no one knew about so lots of guys signed really cheap
Everyone should've known about the rule if they read the instructions about it that were there from the start. If you didn't read it, it's your own bad. Not like he was one of the first FAs signed.

fenikz
07-06-2011, 08:35 PM
What rules? pretty sure you just made it up as you went

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 08:39 PM
What rules? pretty sure you just made it up as you went
These instructions that were there from the start.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47839


You guys are too much. Make JR Smith an UFA. I signed him fair and square, but don't make like I manipulated the rules just to get him. That's just a flat out lie.

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 08:44 PM
BTW, what do you guys think of letting teams who didn't use their Amnesty yet? Should they be allowed to do it now? I got called a fascist because I told a poster no. But if you want it, let it be.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-06-2011, 08:45 PM
My stance is just that if someone didn't specify a 2 year deal than it should be assumed a one year deal much like if someone said I sign Richard Hamilton to an 8 mil deal. One can only infer from that, it was a one year deal.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 08:45 PM
BTW, what do you guys think of letting teams who didn't use their Amnesty yet? Should they be allowed to do it now? I got called a fascist because I told a poster no. But if you want it, let it be.

I'm fine with your decision. You should really get that Mussolini poster down though, gives people the wrong impression.

DJC
07-06-2011, 08:46 PM
Nah thats a one time thing.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-06-2011, 08:46 PM
BTW, what do you guys think of letting teams who didn't use their Amnesty yet? Should they be allowed to do it now? I got called a fascist because I told a poster no. But if you want it, let it be.

I stand by no. Using it a full season past I think is too much.

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 08:49 PM
Nah thats a one time thing.
"Yeah, but you didn't specifically state a deadline..." So I was told.

Was I just a big bad fascist for refusing that as an excuse?

fenikz
07-06-2011, 08:49 PM
would of been nice to know it was a 1 time deal though, maybe if you kept everything in 1 place like the 1st post of this thread I would of known

and youre always a fascist

DJC
07-06-2011, 08:52 PM
I say we quit all the arguing, and start this damn draft already

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 08:54 PM
would of been nice to know it was a 1 time deal though, maybe if you kept everything in 1 place like the 1st post of this thread I would of known

and youre always a fascist
Well fenikz.. looks like you've been overruled.

I didn't want to mention you, but you pretty much made that known.



...if it's one thing though... you're always the exception. lol.

fenikz
07-06-2011, 08:55 PM
ya just sucks that i now have Rashad Lewis instead of Blake Griffin because of a lack of information

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 08:56 PM
I say we quit all the arguing, and start this damn draft already

There's still more team options/qualifying offers to sort out.

Edit: Woah woah woah, what is going on here Fenikz?

fenikz
07-06-2011, 08:59 PM
lol i could run down the whole trade tree but it would take awhile

Det gets Vesley & #12 - Was gets Gordon & #3
LAC gets #2, #3, Favors & Casspi + 12 hours of snuggling with fenikz as big spoon - Was gets Griffin, Aminu, & Gomes

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 09:00 PM
Are you telling me it's not happening? Because I'll cry right now if that is the case.

DJC
07-06-2011, 09:02 PM
The Bucks could take Shards contract for you, at a small price..

fenikz
07-06-2011, 09:04 PM
well since I can't take on Gordon's contract now STRIP said he would only do it if Drummond & Barnes weren't available. And earlier GS said they were taking Davis so basically one or the either will be available at 3

SeanTaylorRIP
07-06-2011, 09:05 PM
Woah I never agreed to do that trade fenikz, I said possibly. I'm still shopping the #3 pick and haven't made any decision.

DJC
07-06-2011, 09:09 PM
I said I was taking Davis? I said I was taking AD..

SeanTaylorRIP
07-06-2011, 09:10 PM
Yeah and declaring who I'm looking to draft at 3, not cool man.

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 09:11 PM
Eh, it was pretty obvious DJC was taking Drummond and Barnes would probably go 2 either way. It's not really that big of a deal.

fenikz
07-06-2011, 09:11 PM
some reason i keep thinking his last name is Gooden, idk where my brain is getting that from

ya i mean its not that big of a deal top 3 will be Drummond, Barnes and Davis followed by McAdoo

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 09:13 PM
It's all starting to become clearer now... fenikz thought he could create a loop hole to work his deals.

fenikz
07-06-2011, 09:14 PM
whats the loop hole?

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 09:14 PM
It's not really a loophole, it's just something we've been discussing. Most importantly, I'm getting robbed of 12 cuddle hours here and it's horseshit.

DJC
07-06-2011, 09:16 PM
Im picking McAdoo? Wasnt aware of that lol

fenikz
07-06-2011, 09:16 PM
sir the draft is already set in stone get over it we may be a year away with a guy who won't actually be in the draft but there's no changing the outcome now

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 09:17 PM
It's not really a loophole, it's just something we've been discussing. Most importantly, I'm getting robbed of 12 cuddle hours here and it's horseshit.
OK, it's not really a loop hole. *shrugs*

fenikz
07-06-2011, 09:23 PM
I expect under the table snuggling contracts happen a lot more often than you think

DJC
07-06-2011, 09:25 PM
sir the draft is already set in stone get over it we may be a year away with a guy who won't actually be in the draft but there's no changing the outcome now

Nahh **** that, Im taking Tyler Zeller at #4 just to spite your predictions.

D-Unit
07-06-2011, 09:28 PM
I expect under the table snuggling contracts happen a lot more often than you think
Okaaaaaay ???

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 09:37 PM
Over your head mister, don't worry aboot it. Still waiting to hear on some team options and qualifying offers, which I could probably figure it out but I don't want to make any assumptions.

DJC
07-06-2011, 09:45 PM
Over your head mister, don't worry aboot it. Still waiting to hear on some team options and qualifying offers, which I could probably figure it out but I don't want to make any assumptions.

Because we all know what happens when you assume...

fenikz
07-06-2011, 11:04 PM
my mock lottery without trades

1. GS - Andrew Drummond, PF/C
2. Was - Harrison Barnes, SF
3. Det - James McAdoo, F
4. Mil - Anthony Davis, PF
5. Den - Jared Sullinger, PF
6. Cha - Perry Jones, F
7. NJ - Quincy Miller, SF
8. LAC - Marquis Teague, PG
9. Mil(via Cle) - Michael Gilchrist, SF
10. Min - Austin Rivers, G
11. Tor - Tony Wrotten, PG
12. Was(via Sac) - Bradley Beal, SG
13. Uta - Tyler Zeller, C
14. Mem - Jeremy Lamb, SG

this class is sooooo weak at PG without Kabongo would prob have him going #8 with Teague dropping to 11 sucks for Toronto they will either be reaching big time or they gotta move some guys for a PG

OSUGiants17
07-06-2011, 11:04 PM
Yea I could use a lil help with my teams cap too just like LT

Brodeur
07-06-2011, 11:05 PM
Oh there will be trades, I will make damn sure of it Fenikz.

Zycho32
07-06-2011, 11:59 PM
my mock lottery without trades

1. GS - Andrew Drummond, PF/C
2. Was - Harrison Barnes, SF
3. Det - James McAdoo, F
4. Mil - Anthony Davis, PF
5. Den - Jared Sullinger, PF
6. Cha - Perry Jones, F
7. NJ - Quincy Miller, SF
8. LAC - Marquis Teague, PG
9. Mil(via Cle) - Michael Gilchrist, SF
10. Min - Austin Rivers, G
11. Tor - Tony Wrotten, PG
12. Was(via Sac) - Bradley Beal, SG
13. Uta - Tyler Zeller, C
14. Mem - Jeremy Lamb, SG

this class is sooooo weak at PG without Kabongo would prob have him going #8 with Teague dropping to 11 sucks for Toronto they will either be reaching big time or they gotta move some guys for a PG

Not much of a bother. I'll figure something out.

WMD
07-06-2011, 11:59 PM
http://latestcelebritygossips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Miami-Heat-Star-Chris-Bosh-Wants-His-Daughter-to-Watch-Him-Play-NBA-Finals.jpg

Has he found a new team?

Maybe.

http://mrtaing.com/images/p6sem12011/images214/gasol2.jpg

Has he found a new team?

Maybe.

RaiderNation
07-06-2011, 11:59 PM
Kings are willing to sell our 2nd round pick(42) for cash. PM me if you want it.

Zycho32
07-07-2011, 12:00 AM
On another note- is there a specific reason why the amnesty bit is a one-and-done deal? I mean, there was no prior warning that it wasn't a seasonly occurance for a team.

DJC
07-07-2011, 12:14 AM
Anyone looking to shed some salary for FA, Bucks can absorb plenty for the right price.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 12:14 AM
On another note- is there a specific reason why the amnesty bit is a one-and-done deal? I mean, there was no prior warning that it wasn't a seasonly occurance for a team.

this is exactly what i brought up to d-unit

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 12:17 AM
Still need team option decisions on:
Jrue Holiday
Andres Nocioni


And Qualifying offer decisions on:
Terico White
Jodie Meeks
Brandon Rush

fenikz
07-07-2011, 12:22 AM
lets go with no on siler even though its for the minimum i want that 500k

diabsoule
07-07-2011, 02:02 AM
Still need team option decisions on:
Toney Douglas
Jrue Holiday
Shaun Livingston
Gerald Henderson
Andres Nocioni
Quincy Pondexter

And Qualifying offer decisions on:
DJ Augustin
Jerryd Bayless
Terico White
Jodie Meeks
Brandon Rush
Nicolas Batum
Ryan Anderson
Luke Harangody
Kevin Love
Marreese Speights
Semih Erden

Hornets will pick up the option for Toney Douglas
Hornet will NOT extend a qualifying offer for for Marreese Speights
Memphis will pick up the option for Quincy Pondexter

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 02:05 AM
Seriously Ghetto? Come on, I would have topped that if you would have continued on with Fenikz.

Zycho32
07-07-2011, 02:35 AM
Still need team option decisions on:
Toney Douglas
Jrue Holiday
Shaun Livingston
Gerald Henderson
Andres Nocioni
Quincy Pondexter

And Qualifying offer decisions on:
DJ Augustin
Jerryd Bayless
Terico White
Jodie Meeks
Brandon Rush
Nicolas Batum
Ryan Anderson
Luke Harangody
Kevin Love
Marreese Speights
Semih Erden

I elected not to extend a Qualifying Offer to Jerryd Bayless- I'm pretty sure I mentioned that in my post on the Free Agency Thread.

Docta
07-07-2011, 02:37 AM
I'm calling bust on Drummond. If he does truly declare for the 2012 draft, it'll show his immaturity for not wanting to leave high school. He's already known for playing lazily. Relies too much on just his talent.

Docta
07-07-2011, 02:39 AM
EDIT: Double post.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 02:53 AM
doesnt even give me a chance to up my offer or anything, bad STRIP bad!

prock
07-07-2011, 03:06 AM
Still need team option decisions on:
Toney Douglas
Jrue Holiday
Shaun Livingston
Gerald Henderson
Andres Nocioni
Quincy Pondexter

And Qualifying offer decisions on:
DJ Augustin
Jerryd Bayless
Terico White
Jodie Meeks
Brandon Rush
Nicolas Batum
Ryan Anderson
Luke Harangody
Kevin Love
Marreese Speights
Semih Erden

I extend a qualifying offer for Love, Batum, and Anderson.

D-Unit
07-07-2011, 03:18 AM
this is exactly what i brought up to d-unit
...and since I didn't mention it before, how about we let teams have 2 amnesty clauses? I mean I didn't mention it before, soooo I think it's fair game. *shrugs*

fenikz
07-07-2011, 03:35 AM
http://derper.com/images/derp/Banana_Derp.png

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 06:11 AM
I'm just surprised some of you didnt know what the amnesty clause was. As an NBA fan I thought it was common knowledge. IMO if you didn't know what something was, why would you assume terms without asking. I take this stance especially since most of u just did the last forum mock in which dunit put a strict deadline. Don't know why some think it would be any different.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 07:16 AM
turns out youre doing it wrong anyways

Q: Does the contract of an amnesty player drop off a team's payroll?
A: No. And the provision provides only luxury-tax relief, with no salary-cap relief. So a team can't release a player to gain cap space.

princefielder28
07-07-2011, 07:57 AM
Still need team option decisions on:
Toney Douglas
Jrue Holiday
Shaun Livingston
Gerald Henderson
Andres Nocioni
Quincy Pondexter

And Qualifying offer decisions on:
DJ Augustin
Jerryd Bayless
Terico White
Jodie Meeks
Brandon Rush
Nicolas Batum
Ryan Anderson
Luke Harangody
Kevin Love
Marreese Speights
Semih Erden

the cavs will not extend a qualifying offer to harangody or erden

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 08:04 AM
turns out youre doing it wrong anyways

Q: Does the contract of an amnesty player drop off a team's payroll?
A: No. And the provision provides only luxury-tax relief, with no salary-cap relief. So a team can't release a player to gain cap space.

In 05 no change was made to the salary cap they only changed the luxury tax rules which is why they implemented that luxury tax provision, the ESPN article you are reading was dated 6 years back.

This article written 7 days ago explains what this amnesty would be:

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=6727360&wjb=


The 2005 CBA included a clause referred to as the "Luxury Tax Amnesty Provision." It allowed teams to waive one player whose salary would then be excluded from the team's luxury tax calculations. This clause was added because the league changed its luxury tax system in the 2005 agreement. Teams made their roster decisions based on the terms of the 1999 agreement, and might have planned differently had the 2005 rules been in place at the time. The provision was seen as a way of accommodating teams that may have been impacted by these rule changes.

This year the league wants to change more than just the luxury tax system -- it wants to make fundamental changes to the salary-cap system itself. Depending on how the negotiations turn out, these changes could be as severe as implementing a hard cap with which teams must immediately comply.

If the league makes a fundamental change to the salary-cap rules, it is expected to follow suit with another amnesty provision to accommodate the impacted teams. Such a provision would likely allow teams to waive one player, whose salary would then be excluded from the team's salary-cap calculations. The player would still be paid in full -- for example, Orlando couldn't use such a provision to escape its commitment to pay Gilbert Arenas the $62.3 million he is owed over the next three seasons.

As you can see in the rules which have been on the first post of this mock, we are doing a 3 year transition towards a 50 mil salary cap, thus the reason for the one time amnesty to help teams gear towards the new cap. We obviously can't project the new CBA but the amnesty you are speaking of was simply a luxury tax adjustment, since we are considerably lowering the salary cap that's why we implemented the amnesty clause as such, and we always stated it would not count towards the books. Obviously doing a purely luxury tax relief amnesty in a forum mock would have zero purpose since we aren't actually paying these players and the players who got the amnesty on them still get the full contract.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 08:07 AM
BTW if anyone is looking for veteran guards both Steve Blake and Ben Gordon can be had for free or if you can't take on their contract fully you can offer me something halfway in between. As well my offer is still there I will take on a bad contract in exchange for a first round pick.

princefielder28
07-07-2011, 08:09 AM
The Cavaliers are looking to move Mike Conley for a SF

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 09:03 AM
Just to let everyone know the Mavs won't be re-signing Jason Kidd, however at 39 years old and just winning 2 championships I personally feel he should be retired, but if you guys want to keep him in the FA pool feel free to.

For the Rockets I am listening to offers for either Andrea Bargnani or Taj Gibson, also listening to offers for Kyle Lowry or Jordan Farmar, maybe Lou Williams.

D-Unit
07-07-2011, 10:45 AM
In order to prevent "JR Smith" type signings again, the next time we do FA we will do it in phases, kind of like we did in the first forum mock. First phase will only include players receiving max contracts. 2nd phase, MLEs and above. 3rd phase any contract.

diabsoule
07-07-2011, 11:07 AM
Just to let everyone know the Mavs won't be re-signing Jason Kidd, however at 39 years old and just winning 2 championships I personally feel he should be retired, but if you guys want to keep him in the FA pool feel free to.

For the Rockets I am listening to offers for either Andrea Bargnani or Taj Gibson, also listening to offers for Kyle Lowry or Jordan Farmar, maybe Lou Williams.

I think Kidd would retire.

For the Hornets the 18th and 19th picks are on the block.

Rudy *** is on the block for the Grizzlies. Won't be giving him away.

prock
07-07-2011, 02:51 PM
Anyone on the Wolves could potentially be had.. if interested, gimme a holla

RaiderNation
07-07-2011, 05:30 PM
The Kings are willing to trade SG/SF Francisco Garcia and next years 1st round pick for either a big man, SF or cap relief.

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 08:55 PM
Pass my trade Ghetto!

WMD
07-07-2011, 09:17 PM
Before I get any further into trade talks, would a LeBron trade be allowed?

diabsoule
07-07-2011, 09:19 PM
Before I get any further into trade talks, would a LeBron trade be allowed?

I won't talk for STRIP but as far as I'm concerned, a LeBron trade will have to net you a superstar in return. Miami seems committed to LeBron and D-Wade and, to a lesser extent, Bosh. Despite his abysmal performance in the Finals, the Heat made an unprecedented move by signing 3 players in their prime and I would have a hard time believing they would want to break it up after 2 years.

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 09:19 PM
I'm getting plenty of value. How the hell am I supposed to get better if you think I'm not better at all despite having a young team improve by a year, and with no cap room to sign a free agent and only the 8th pick? You put a godawful Minnesota team in front of mine, this is my opportunity to put a different focus on the team.

RaiderNation
07-07-2011, 09:23 PM
I'm not involved in the trade, but in some ways it could make sense for both teams. It would all really depend on how Favors is looked at and how everybody thinks he could progress. But in reality the Clippers wouldn't trade Blake Griffen for anybody in the NBA unless they somehow got 2 great players in return

diabsoule
07-07-2011, 09:48 PM
Just wanted to remind Bosanac that he traded for Corey Brewer last year as well so his depth chart needs to be updated

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 09:49 PM
I'm getting plenty of value. How the hell am I supposed to get better if you think I'm not better at all despite having a young team improve by a year, and with no cap room to sign a free agent and only the 8th pick? You put a godawful Minnesota team in front of mine, this is my opportunity to put a different focus on the team.

Trading a 22 year old face of the franchise superstar doesn't help things. You build around Blake. Try to move Eric Gordon, Eric Bledsoe, Mo Williams, use your MLE, shop the 8th pick, whatever, but trading a potential superstar who is the face of the franchise is never a good thing aside from being unrealistic. I guarantee Eric Gordon could net you something decent on the open market.

RaiderNation
07-07-2011, 09:52 PM
Bigman rotation of PF Cousins/Thompson and Dalembert/Pachulia, I love it.

sbh15
07-07-2011, 09:55 PM
Yeah, uh why would you ever trade Griffin? There are maybe 7-10 guys in the NBA I'd give up Blake Griffin for. That's the kind of deal you only take if Griffin is threatening to leave during free agency or demands a trade

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 09:55 PM
Trading a 22 year old face of the franchise superstar doesn't help things. You build around Blake. Try to move Eric Gordon, Eric Bledsoe, Mo Williams, use your MLE, shop the 8th pick, whatever, but trading a potential superstar who is the face of the franchise is never a good thing aside from being unrealistic. I guarantee Eric Gordon could net you something decent on the open market.

I've tried to move Bledsoe, the MLE will do me absolutely nothing, and whoop-te-doo the 8th pick. I could net something alrightish for Gordon, but nothing that is going to help me more than Gordon will. This gives me a foundation and a whole lot of depth, and will make me a hell of a lot better right now. This gives me 2 lottery picks, Vessly who was one last year, Casspi who is a solid backup, and Favors who has as much potential as anyone.

Chicago traded Elton Brand after consecutive 20/10 years for Tyson Chandler with a hell of a lot better defense than what Blake gives, I don't see why this can't be done.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 10:05 PM
Blake Griffin is looking like one of the elite superstars of the next decade and again he's 22, trading him is just dumb, plain and simple. Derrick Favors, Jan Vesely, Harrison Barnes, these are unproven guys, it's like OKC trading Durant for Kyrie Irving, Derrick Williams, and Evan Turner. Sure value wise it seems great but it makes no sense.

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 10:07 PM
Elton Brand was 21.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 10:21 PM
calm down for a second they left out the 12 hours of cuddling, this deal should go through once they include that

And Griffin is not staying on the Clippers after 2013 trading him now before he leaves for nothing makes sense

Docta
07-07-2011, 10:23 PM
Elton Brand was 21.
But Chandler had a ******** of potential at the time. Who wouldn't want an athletic 7-footer? None of the players you're getting have the same amount of potential Chandler had.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 10:24 PM
but Favors Vesley and 2 lottery picks in a loaded class dont have potential...hmmmmmm

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 10:30 PM
Elton Brand was 21.

Can't compare Brand to Griffin. Brand was a polished player, Griffin is putting up better stats while still learning how to play. Griffin is a rare prospect. The Bulls traded Brand because Krause didn't want to have to pay him big bucks. Also Eddy Curry was thought to be a future superstar. Brand was a work man who appeared to have limited potential. No one is expecting Derrick Favors, Jan Vesely, or Harrison Barnes to ever reach levels of Blake Griffin.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 10:32 PM
is the trade lopsided, no, then put it though

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 10:32 PM
Clippers are guaranteed Blake Griffin until the 2014 season. They wouldn't trade him this early if they were afraid he'd bolt.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 10:33 PM
is the trade lopsided, no, then put it though

So you are saying we should allow something like Dirk for Kobe?

fenikz
07-07-2011, 10:34 PM
yessir, i dont see why not

Suns would never trade Steve Nash but I did it

Docta
07-07-2011, 10:38 PM
Obviously since they're young. It's easier to build around Griffin, than it is to build around Favors. I mean he just let Shumpert take over in college when he was obviously the best player on the team. And Vesely's ceiling is as a role player.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 10:40 PM
umm no Vesley has a very high ceiling, no clue if he ever reaches it but he is basically Perry Jones

sbh15
07-07-2011, 10:44 PM
yessir, i dont see why not

Suns would never trade Steve Nash but I did it

they absolutely would for the deal you got

fenikz
07-07-2011, 10:45 PM
exactly, if the deal is right can't just decline the trade because of the player

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 10:47 PM
This trade is entirely based on the fact that clearly I cannot improve any other way. Again, you put me FOURTEENTH in the West with supposedly a franchise player, a great second option, and several solid complementary players. I can't do anything else to improve despite your suggestions (which are crap), so do I just sit back and hope I reach the level of a 12th seed? Or do I build a team full of depth? That's how I see it.

Docta
07-07-2011, 10:48 PM
He's a SF that can't shoot, and Jones is a big man. Vesely would have to do better in the post to play PF in the NBA.

A franchise player w/ role players would do better than a team with just a bunch of good role players.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 10:48 PM
exactly, if the deal is right can't just decline the trade because of the player

Steve Nash is at the end of his career, Blake is an elite player who is 22, again why trade a proven superstar for unproven guys. It's like trading Adrian Peterson for Mark Ingram. The Clippers are guaranteed Blake until the 2014 season, there is zero chance of them moving him before then unless they get offered LeBron James or Kevin Durant.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 10:50 PM
This trade is entirely based on the fact that clearly I cannot improve any other way. Again, you put me FOURTEENTH in the West with supposedly a franchise player, a great second option, and several solid complementary players. I can't do anything else to improve despite your suggestions (which are crap), so do I just sit back and hope I reach the level of a 12th seed? Or do I build a team full of depth? That's how I see it.

I'd easily put you 15th with this trade. Trading Blake, for Vesely, Favors, and rookies in no way improves your team, if anything you become a 2nd rate Wizards. You needed help at SF and C, that's it, solve those problems and you are improved. u won 37 fcking games with a young team, blowing it up and trading your franchise player because you think it's impossible to add 10 wins is crazy.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 10:53 PM
pass the ************* trade!

Docta
07-07-2011, 10:55 PM
This trade is entirely based on the fact that clearly I cannot improve any other way. Again, you put me FOURTEENTH in the West with supposedly a franchise player, a great second option, and several solid complementary players. I can't do anything else to improve despite your suggestions (which are crap), so do I just sit back and hope I reach the level of a 12th seed? Or do I build a team full of depth? That's how I see it.
You didn't have a single veteran in your starting lineup. And Bledsoe is not ready to start at PG just yet.

RaiderNation
07-07-2011, 10:56 PM
Obviously since they're young. It's easier to build around Griffin, than it is to build around Favors. I mean he just let Shumpert take over in college when he was obviously the best player on the team. And Vesely's ceiling is as a role player.

But then you factor in the #2 pick they are getting(Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes and James McAdoo) also will have All Star potential IMO. So they would be getting 2 guys with high potential, and 2 very young role players all that the crucial SF and PF positions. Plus you have Jordan at C and could get a Rivers/Teague/Lamb/Beal at 12

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 10:57 PM
I'd easily put you 15th with this trade. Trading Blake, for Vesely, Favors, and rookies in no way improves your team, if anything you become a 2nd rate Wizards. You needed help at SF and C, that's it, solve those problems and you are improved. u won 37 fcking games with a young team, blowing it up and trading your franchise player because you think it's impossible to add 10 wins is crazy.

Except the team isn't going to improve much. DeAndre is going to be a defensive center that protects Blake just like he is now, Faried is a hustle backup just like he is now, Gordon is a tremendous scorer just like he is now, Mo Williams is a very good sixth man, and Aminu is garbage. Outside of Bledsoe, this team is not going to get vastly better than what it is now. I'm not trying to add ten wins, I'm looking at the fact that this team is not going to win 10 extra games or compete for the playoffs just because of the 8th overall pick and an MLE player.

Adding Vessly (who I'd probably try to trade but at this point I doubt anyone would take him), Barnes, Favors, and 8/12 would make me a more well rounded team for the future. At least that team has a chance at improving enough to get to the playoffs, this team doesn't.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 10:57 PM
It's not happening. Not changing my mind. The fact of trading Blake is one thing but your reasoning is because you want to be a contender right now makes zero sense when you are not acquiring a single player even a tenth of Blake's current ability. Asking for a trade to be passed simply on value makes no sense or else Derrick Rose could be traded for Kevin Durant. Value wise makes sense for both teams but again why the hell would I pass that. You have Blake, Deandre, Eric Gordon and role players like Bledsoe and Mo Williams. That's a good enough base, you just need to add an impact 3 or PG. Good God, in no way does bringing in a bunch of boom or bust players improve anything.

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 10:59 PM
You didn't have a single veteran in your starting lineup. And Bledsoe is not ready to start at PG just yet.

That was DeAndre Jordan's fourth year and Eric Gordon's third year. And thus Bledsoe splits time with Mo Williams, I just listed him as a starter for de-facto purposes. Who really cares?

Docta
07-07-2011, 10:59 PM
But then you factor in the #2 pick they are getting(Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes and James McAdoo) also will have All Star potential IMO. So they would be getting 2 guys with high potential, and 2 very young role players all that the crucial SF and PF positions. Plus you have Jordan at C and could get a Rivers/Teague/Lamb/Beal at 12
But I think he's planning on taking Barnes with the #2 pick, unless someone was just assuming he would. Getting someone like Davis would make it a much better trade.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 11:00 PM
ya'll can bring it up to D-unit since he's running this but me and Diab have made our decision.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 11:04 PM
lol cus surely he will rule in my favor

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 11:04 PM
Sigh. Anyone want Eric Gordon, number 8 overall, Aminu (probably not because he's apparently useless), Bledsoe, Mo Williams, or DeAndre Jordan?

fenikz
07-07-2011, 11:07 PM
anyone want #2, #12, & Favors for a young good PF?

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 11:11 PM
Kenneth Faried is young.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 11:12 PM
anyone want #2, #12, & Favors for a young good PF?

Favors is a good young PF, and you can still take Anthony Davis if you want. I just said Favors averaged 13.4 ppg, 7.5 rpg his first year as a starter. Not sure why you are so eager to get rid of him. Diab is shopping Rudy G, why not use your picks and some other guys to round out your lineup?

fenikz
07-07-2011, 11:16 PM
I was thinking more Blake Griffin caliber

would you turn down any trade involving Tyreke Evans too?

you should of made a no trade list so I wouldn't even bother trying to improve my team

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 11:19 PM
You're missing the point of him being pissed Ghetto.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-07-2011, 11:20 PM
I was thinking more Blake Griffin caliber

would you turn down any trade involving Tyreke Evans too?

you should of made a no trade list so I wouldn't even bother trying to improve my team

You know the players who are basically untradeable, there's only a handful in the league.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 11:23 PM
i have no clue who you personally consider untradable, didnt you just say LeBron could be moved for another star?

WMD
07-07-2011, 11:27 PM
You guys made STRIP say Good God. I hope you're all happy.

fenikz
07-07-2011, 11:32 PM
i am not happy WMD :(

he crushed my dream of uniting Wall and Griffin

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 11:33 PM
He crushed my dream of cuddling with Fenikz. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I NEED THAT?

fenikz
07-07-2011, 11:37 PM
i think we can all work this out over a 3 way cuddle

Brodeur
07-07-2011, 11:51 PM
i think we can all work this out over a 3 way cuddle

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WMD
07-08-2011, 12:01 AM
i think we can all work this out over a 3 way cuddle

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Brodeur
07-08-2011, 01:38 AM
The Los Angeles Clippers would like to announce they have replaced Blake Griffin with The Man, The Myth, The Legend, The Icon...

DWAYNE SCHINTZIUS

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WMD
07-08-2011, 01:41 AM
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WMD
07-08-2011, 02:04 AM
How come only two teams have attempted to get LeBron? Is this league full of vaginas??

diabsoule
07-08-2011, 02:13 AM
Rudy G is on the block!

prock
07-08-2011, 03:15 AM
Everytime Brodeur posts a gif of wrestling I want to punch him right where his balls should be. It's gayer than a bag full of dicks.

And lol @ trying to trade Griffin.

prock
07-08-2011, 03:30 AM
I need an All Star. Anyone got one available? I don't want to trade Love but if the right trade comes by, I will.

sbh15
07-08-2011, 09:14 AM
Rudy G is on the block!

I sent you an awfully zesty 3-way proposition. You should check your PM box

princefielder28
07-08-2011, 09:18 AM
Cleveland is willing to move Bismack Biyombo for a starting caliber, or greater, SF

scottyboy
07-08-2011, 03:49 PM
Nets looking to deal pick 7, either to move up into the top 5 or so, or for a player. hit me up for deals.

LTgiants
07-08-2011, 03:52 PM
Do you want Brandon Roy? lol

WMD
07-08-2011, 04:21 PM
Tastier offers have appeared for LeBron.. I'll have to think it over. I might just hold onto him. Not sure yet.

If someone offers me something good for Chris Bosh then I'll hang on to The Bron.

fenikz
07-08-2011, 04:56 PM
reply to me ya ***

Brodeur
07-08-2011, 05:00 PM
He's a jerky jerk at an Open House as we speak. You know who you could use though, Blake Griffin.

fenikz
07-08-2011, 05:05 PM
:(

i still hate you strip