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D-Unit
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
Here is the timeline of events:

Saturday

Trading Period Opens
Salaries/Contracts for trades will be gathered from Shamsports.com.
Trade Exceptions will be gathered from Shamsports.com.
Player and Team options will be determined by Shamsports.com.
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp



Monday, 12 Noon EST

Deadline to declare Amnesty Clause players
Deadline to offer Qualifying Offers to eligible players

Qualifying Offers only mean that said player will be Restricted in FA.


Tuesday, 12 Noon EST

DRAFT BEGINS
Draft Lottery will have a 3 hour time limit

If you are here when you are on the clock, then your time limit is reduced by 1 hour. This only applies to the lottery.

Remainder of Round 1 will be reduced to a 2 hour time limit
Round 2 will be reduced to a 1 hour time limit


TBD

FREE AGENCY
Phase I



TBD

FREE AGENCY
Phase II
Deadline for teams to match offers for RFAs given offers in Phase I.



TBD

FREE AGENCY
Phase III
Deadline for teams to match offers for RFAs given offers in Phase II.



TBD

FREE AGENCY
Deadline for teams to match offers for RFAs given offers in Phase III.
Trading Period Ends.



TBD

GRADING AND SEASON RESULTS





TBD

2ND SEASON TO BEGIN

Trading Period Resumes
Draft Lottery
Deadline for Qualifying Offers
2012 NBA Draft
2012 Free Agency
Grades and Results
Trading Period Ends



New CBA Rules:

Soft Cap
The soft cap is a 3 year transition that will eventually set the cap at $50M.

2011-12 Season: $55M
2012-13 Season: $52M
2013-14 Season: $50M

*Any spending over that will result in a dollar for dollar luxury cap.

Mid-Level Exception
The MLE will be reduced to 3 years, $4M per year. It can be split up, but it cannot be traded.

Amnesty Clause
Teams have the option of using the Amnesty Clause on 1 player that will release the player from their roster and clear the player's salary from their cap. The player can sign with any other team and immediately becomes a FA. Teams still have to pay the player the salary he was owed.

Sign & Trade Deals
No change. Sign & Trade deals will remain the same

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Trade Exception List

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/tradeexceptions.jsp

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Round 1

1. Cleveland from LA Clippers - Prince
2. Minnesota - prock
3. Utah From New Jersey - Yay
4. Cleveland - PF
5. Toronto - zycho32
6. Washington - fenikz
7. Sacramento - RaiderNation
8. Detroit - STRIP
9. Charlotte - D-Unit
10. Milwaukee - DJC
11. Golden State - DJC
12. Utah - Yay
13. Phoenix - fenikz
14. Houston - STRIP
15. Indiana - Docta
16. Philadelphia - sbh15
17. New York - LTgiants
18. Washington From Atlanta - fenikz
19. Charlotte from New Orleans via Portland - D-Unit
20. Minnesota From Memphis via Utah - prock
21. Portland - LTgiants
22. Denver - Zycho
23. Houston From Orlando via Phoenix - STRIP
24. Oklahoma City - OSUGiants17
25. Boston - PF
26. Dallas - STRIP
27. New Jersey From LA Lakers - scotty
28. Chicago From Miami via Toronto - yo 123
29. San Antonio - PF
30. Chicago - yo 123

Round 2

31. Miami from Minnesota - WMD
32. Cleveland - PF
33. Detroit from Toronto - STRIP
34. Washington - fenikz
35. Sacramento - RaiderNation
36. New Jersey - scotty
37. LA Clippers from Detroit - Brodeur
38. Houston from LA Clippers - STRIP
39. Charlotte - D-Unit
40. Milwaukee - DJC
41. LA Lakers from Golden State via New Jersey - WMD
42. Indiana - Docta
43. Chicago from Utah - yo123
44. Golden State from Phoenix via Chicago - DJC
45. New Orleans from Philadelphia - diabsoule
46. LA Lakers from New York - WMD
47. LA Clippers from Houston - Brodeur
48. Atlanta - Bosanac01
49. Memphis - Diabsoule
50. Philadelphia from New Orleans - sbh15
51. Portland - LTgiants
52. Denver - Zycho
53. Orlando - D-Unit
54. Cleveland from Oklahoma City via Miami - PF
55. Boston - PF
56. LA Lakers - WMD
57. Dallas - STRIP
58. LA Lakers from Miami - WMD
59. San Antonio - PF
60. Sacramento from Chicago via Milwaukee - RaiderNation

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 01:56 PM
Claim Your Teams!!!

scottyboy
06-16-2011, 02:30 PM
nets nets nets please

princefielder28
06-16-2011, 02:36 PM
could i have cleveland this time??? :)

YAYareaRB
06-16-2011, 02:43 PM
Could I have Utah?

prock
06-16-2011, 03:00 PM
Minnesota please.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-16-2011, 03:14 PM
I'll take Houston and the Knicks for a 2nd team if I can.

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 03:17 PM
Minnesota please.
Only if you can figure out a way to get Biyonce's top off in your sig.

prock
06-16-2011, 03:18 PM
Only if you can figure out a way to get Biyonce's top off in your sig.

You're gonna have to take that one up with BK.

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 03:18 PM
I'll take Houston and the Knicks for a 2nd team if I can.
I think we have some Knicks fans, so let's wait it out.

DJC
06-16-2011, 03:20 PM
Give me GSW, and if we're taking 2nd teams right now, Orlando too

WMD
06-16-2011, 03:20 PM
Why not.. I'll take on Miami.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-16-2011, 03:24 PM
I think we have some Knicks fans, so let's wait it out.

that's right if I take a 2nd team it won't be the knicks.

Brodeur
06-16-2011, 03:28 PM
Give me SacTown.

WMD
06-16-2011, 03:40 PM
I'll take Portland if we can take second teams.

RaiderNation
06-16-2011, 03:51 PM
Damn it I wanted the Kings!!!!

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 03:56 PM
Damn it I wanted the Kings!!!!
Their your team. You can have them.

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 03:57 PM
I'll take Portland if we can take second teams.
You can have first dibs once we start filling up 2nds.

LTgiants
06-16-2011, 04:08 PM
I will take the Knicks this time.

Edit: Oh I see you STRIP have my Rockets lose in the 1st round then steal them in the next one.

OSUGiants17
06-16-2011, 04:09 PM
I will take the Knicks, but I wouldn't mind a Co-GM. BTW is Brooke Lopez in this draft?

Brodeur
06-16-2011, 04:14 PM
Their your team. You can have them.

How is this fair exactly?

OSUGiants17
06-16-2011, 04:18 PM
If I can't get the Knicks I will take the Thunder or Clippers

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 04:20 PM
How is this fair exactly?
He loves the Kings more than you do. Do you want the Pistons since you didn't have them in the last mock?

Brodeur
06-16-2011, 04:22 PM
No, I wanted the Kings which is why I called them. I'm good otherwise.

DJC
06-16-2011, 05:13 PM
Whats the deadline for amnesties?

fenikz
06-16-2011, 05:14 PM
Phoenix Suns please

OSUGiants17
06-16-2011, 05:21 PM
So do I have a team or not?

SeanTaylorRIP
06-16-2011, 05:28 PM
So do I have a team or not?

If you want to co-gm the Knicks u have to ask ltgiants because he asked first, but if not you can take either the Thunder or Clippers.

OSUGiants17
06-16-2011, 05:29 PM
If you want to co-gm the Knicks u have to ask ltgiants because he asked first, but if not you can take either the Thunder or Clippers.

In that case just give me the Thunder, thanks

WMD
06-16-2011, 05:30 PM
OSU said the Kings are his mostest favoritest team, he likes them even more than RaiderNation does. Can he have them, even though RaiderNation claimed them before him? You know.. since he likes them.. lots..?

fenikz
06-16-2011, 05:33 PM
this is why you guys should just become the sole fan of a Arizona team :D

OSUGiants17
06-16-2011, 05:35 PM
OSU said the Kings are his mostest favoritest team, he likes them even more than RaiderNation does. Can he have them, even though RaiderNation claimed them before him? You know.. since he likes them.. lots..?

Oh yeah this is true so give me them and just put Brook Lopez on my team automatically regardless of who I pick, k thx bai!

SeanTaylorRIP
06-16-2011, 05:36 PM
I thought RaiderNation was a Lakers fan?

LTgiants
06-16-2011, 05:36 PM
If you want Brook Lopez you have to take the Nets.

OSUGiants17
06-16-2011, 05:37 PM
Touche STRIP

OSUGiants17
06-16-2011, 05:37 PM
If you want Brook Lopez you have to take the Nets.

I am aware, but I don't want the Nets, just Brook. more sarcasm

WMD
06-16-2011, 05:38 PM
Touche STRIP

Who do you want to touch STRIP?

OSUGiants17
06-16-2011, 05:39 PM
EDIT: Nevermind

WMD
06-16-2011, 05:52 PM
EDIT: Nevermind

No need to edit that. You want me to touch STRIP and you want RaiderNation to watch. You are a naughty dirty boy

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 06:07 PM
Am I the only one tired of the cry baby attitudes by the same people all the time?

I'm holding off on announcing new owners. Anyone wanting to play, please PM me your applications with the following information. Thought I could avoid this, but this quickly became Sweet Valley High.

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Top 3 team preferences:
1.
2.
3.

Your favorite team in the NBA:

Thank you.

Brodeur
06-16-2011, 06:11 PM
I'm pretty sure it started once you sort of went back on the entire point of what a sign up is, by giving the Kings to a Laker fan after I already called them. So, this isn't that hard to fix.

YAYareaRB
06-16-2011, 06:20 PM
So do we still have our teams or no?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/2/24/0a301a41-c948-49c7-9482-52c28b07f7ba.jpg

RaiderNation
06-16-2011, 06:20 PM
I thought RaiderNation was a Lakers fan?

Hell no, Lakers are the team I despise of the most

YAYareaRB
06-16-2011, 06:23 PM
I think you guys are getting RaiderNation mixed up with Raiderzforlife

Brodeur
06-16-2011, 06:27 PM
Raiders, Raiderz, same difference amirite (well, RaidersNation is black)?

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 06:27 PM
So do we still have our teams or no?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/2/24/0a301a41-c948-49c7-9482-52c28b07f7ba.jpg
Yes everything is up to date so far. I've already processed the applications I received and will continue to do so.

YAYareaRB
06-16-2011, 06:30 PM
Yes everything is up to date so far. I've already processed the applications I received and will continue to do so.

Ho bah! You akamai ah? rajah!

Docta
06-16-2011, 07:24 PM
EDIT: Nevermind. Forgot to read page 2.

LTgiants
06-16-2011, 07:31 PM
So how long do we have to wait to pick 2nd teams?

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 07:38 PM
Remaining teams:
Toronto
Washington
Detroit
Charlotte
Milwaukee
Philadelphia
Portland
Boston
Dallas
Chicago
San Antonio
LA Clippers
LA Lakers
New Orleans
Atlanta
Memphis

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 07:41 PM
Ho bah! You akamai ah? rajah!
rajah dat. rajah dat. ;)

no worre cuz, i gef um

scottyboy
06-16-2011, 08:21 PM
see, it's times like these I love being one of the 50 nets fans on the planet. makes things much easier

scottyboy
06-16-2011, 08:21 PM
oh no! double post monster!

fenikz
06-16-2011, 09:08 PM
my only suggestion is to let people know when each deadline is(mostly amnesty) no one had a real shot to do it last time

D-Unit
06-16-2011, 09:23 PM
my only suggestion is to let people know when each deadline is(mostly amnesty) no one had a real shot to do it last time
I will try to make it clearer this time. Same for FA. I think I did a bad job announcing the FA dates.

It won't be until all the teams are filled.

WMD
06-16-2011, 10:13 PM
Would it be realistic for me to use the Amnesty on LeBron?

LTgiants
06-16-2011, 10:15 PM
Why did you pick Miami?

WMD
06-16-2011, 10:39 PM
Why did you pick Miami?
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?

RaiderNation
06-17-2011, 12:08 AM
Would it be realistic for me to use the Amnesty on LeBron?

Please do! Lol

LTgiants
06-17-2011, 03:16 PM
So whats going on?

SeanTaylorRIP
06-17-2011, 03:20 PM
So whats going on?

We are waiting for more teams to fill up and if not waiting for D-unit to announce that we can claim 2nd teams.

princefielder28
06-17-2011, 04:22 PM
i know we only have about half the teams filled but i want teams to know that the Cavs will be actively shopping both the #1 and #4 picks along with all players on their roster

SeanTaylorRIP
06-17-2011, 04:44 PM
i know we only have about half the teams filled but i want teams to know that the Cavs will be actively shopping both the #1 and #4 picks along with all players on their roster

yup I went ahead and created the trade block thread if anyone wants to get a head start.

fenikz
06-17-2011, 05:14 PM
Going into rebuilding mode for this one, even though it's not likely

so get your offers in for Nashty, championship contenders only, I have no problem trading within the conference

yo123
06-17-2011, 05:14 PM
I'll get in on this one. Da Bulls.

Rose, Deng, and Noah are going nowhere. I'll listen to offers for others.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-17-2011, 05:20 PM
you have to do a depth chart in the thread.

yo123
06-17-2011, 05:21 PM
Yeah I'll do that tonight.

D-Unit
06-17-2011, 06:35 PM
OK... claim 2nds...

These are the remaining teams:

Toronto
Washington
Detroit
Milwaukee
Boston
San Antonio
LA Clippers
LA Lakers
Memphis

fenikz
06-17-2011, 06:49 PM
ill grab the wizards if strip doesnt want em

RaiderNation
06-17-2011, 07:05 PM
The Kings are interested in moving up or down from #7. Also could be open in trading for a vet SF. PM if interested

princefielder28
06-17-2011, 07:05 PM
i'll take the spurs as my 2nd team

WMD
06-17-2011, 07:05 PM
I thought I was getting Portland once we started with 2nd Teams? Oh well.

fenikz
06-17-2011, 07:07 PM
also a suggestion if we are doing multiple season, could we have a break at the trade deadline for trades maybe just a few days

RaiderNation
06-17-2011, 07:13 PM
Also there was some confusion I remember in the previous mock, but Marcus Thornton has the qualifying offer on his contract, which the kings have already picked up in real life

WMD
06-17-2011, 07:21 PM
I'll take the Lakers for my second team.

diabsoule
06-17-2011, 07:26 PM
I'll take Memphis

sbh15
06-17-2011, 07:27 PM
i could potentially **** around with nba 2k11 and put whatever moves we make into an association mode (if we go the multiple season route that fenikz alluded to)

WMD
06-17-2011, 07:40 PM
i could potentially **** around with nba 2k11 and put whatever moves we make into an association mode (if we go the multiple season route that fenikz alluded to)

You should just run an NBA 2K11 Sim League. MOTH did one once. It was fun.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-17-2011, 08:03 PM
First page updated:

Teams Left:

-Detroit
-Toronto
-Boston
-LA Clippers

No one can claim a 3rd team yet.

DJC
06-17-2011, 08:19 PM
Milwaukee for my 2nd

WMD
06-17-2011, 09:10 PM
If we're doing more than one season, we should probably get a list of future picks that have been traded and such.

LTgiants
06-17-2011, 09:16 PM
Are we supposed to wait for every team to be filled before we start negotiating trades?

SeanTaylorRIP
06-17-2011, 09:21 PM
Bulls receive the Bobcats' 2012 first-round pick (top 14 protected in 2012, top 12 protected in 2013, top 10 protected in 2014, top 8 protected in 2015, unprotected in 2016) (Tyrus Thomas trade 02-18-10)

Cavs have the option to swap 2012 first-round picks with the Heat (LeBron James trade 07-09-10)

Cavs receive the Heat's 2013 first-round pick (top 10 protected in 2013 and 2014, unprotected in 2015) (LeBron James trade 07-09-10)

Cavs will receive the Heat's first-round pick two years after the Heat surrender their 2013 first-round pick to the Cavs (top 10 protected in 2015 and 2016, unprotected in 2017) (LeBron James trade 07-09-10)

Celtics receive the Clippers' 2012 first-round pick, via Thunder (Eric Bledsoe trade) (top 10 protected in 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015, unprotected in 2016. In 2012, the Celtics would receive the lesser of the Clippers first-round pick or the T'Wolves' first-round pick (Marko Jaric trade)) (Jeff Green trade 02-24-11)

Jazz receive the Warriors' 2012 first-round pick, via Nets (Marcus Williams trade) (top 7 protected in 2012 and 2013, top 6 protected in 2014. If not received by 2014, Jazz will instead receive Warriors' 2014 and 2016 second round picks) (Deron Williams trade 02-24-11)

Nets receive the Rockets' 2012 first-round pick (top 14 protected in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016, if not conveyed by 2016 then the Nets will receive the Rockets' 2017 second-round pick) (Terrence Williams trade 12-15-10)

Nuggets will receive the Knick's first-round pick two years after the Knicks surrender their 2012 first-round pick to the Rockets (Carmelo Anthony trade 02-22-11)

Nuggets have option to swap 2016 first-round picks with the Knicks (Carmelo Anthony trade 02-22-11)

Rockets receive the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick (top 5 protected in 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015, if not conveyed by 2015 then the Rockets will receive the Knicks 2015 and 2016 second-round picks) (Tracy McGrady trade 02-18-10)

Rockets receive the Grizzlies' 2013 first-round pick (Lottery protected in 2013; remaining conditions currently unknown) (Hasheem Thabeet trade 02-24-11)

Cavs receive the Hornets' 2012 second-round pick, via Heat (Marcus Thornton trade) (LeBron James trade 07-09-10)

Hawks receive the Suns' 2012 second-round pick (Josh Childress trade 07-12-10)

Heat receive the Grizzlies' 2012 second-round pick (top 55 protected) (Shaun Livingston trade 01-07-09)

Lakers receive the Bulls' 2012 second-round pick, via Bucks (John Salmons trade), via Nets (Chris Douglas-Roberts trade) or Lakers can decide to receive cash instead of the second-round pick (Sasha Vujacic trade 12-15-10)

Mavs receive the T'Wolves' 2012 second-round pick (top 55 protected) (Nathan Jawai trade 10-20-09)

Nets receive the Heat's 2012 second-round pick (Chris Quinn trade 01-05-10)

Nuggets receive the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, via Knicks (David Lee trade 07-09-10) (Carmelo Anthony trade 02-22-11)

Pistons receive the Rockets' 2012 second-round pick (top 40 protected in 2012, top 35 protected in 2013 and 2014, unprotected in 2015) (Chase Budinger trade 06-25-09)

Suns receive the Knicks' 2012 second-round pick (top 55 protected) (Amare Stoudemire trade 07-08-10)

Warriors receive the Nets' 2012 second-round pick (Troy Murphy trade 02-23-11)

LTgiants
06-17-2011, 09:23 PM
So can you break down in English what of any future draft picks the Knicks have?

SeanTaylorRIP
06-17-2011, 09:28 PM
So can you break down in English what of any future draft picks the Knicks have?

Rockets own your 2012 first round pick unless you finish in the top 5 which is about a 1% chance, and Denver gets your 2nd round pick. So yeah you have no picks next year.

LTgiants
06-17-2011, 09:31 PM
Rockets own your 2012 first round pick unless you finish in the top 5 which is about a 1% chance, and Denver gets your 2nd round pick. So yeah you have no picks next year.

Nuggets? Do you mean Suns?

Also when is my next available draft pick that I am able to trade?

SeanTaylorRIP
06-17-2011, 09:35 PM
Nuggets? Do you mean Suns?

Also when is my next available draft pick that I am able to trade?

no it's top 55 protected with the Suns so they won't get it. You lose your 2nd round pick from the David Lee trade:

Nuggets receive the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, via Knicks (David Lee trade 07-09-10) (Carmelo Anthony trade 02-22-11)

and the soonest first rounder you can trade is your 2016 pick.

Breakdown:

2012- Pick goes to Houston
2013- Can't have 2 consecutive years w/o your own first rounder
2014- Denver gets NYK first rounder 2 years after Houston gets their pick
2015- Can't have 2 consecutive years w/o your own first rounder

As Houston I'd give you back your 2012 first rounder if you agreed to swap 17 for 38 this year.

LTgiants
06-17-2011, 09:37 PM
no it's top 55 protected with the Suns so they won't get it. You lose your 2nd round pick from the David Lee trade:

Nuggets receive the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, via Knicks (David Lee trade 07-09-10) (Carmelo Anthony trade 02-22-11)

and the soonest first rounder you can trade is your 2016 pick.

Breakdown:

2012- Pick goes to Houston
2013- Can't have 2 consecutive years w/o your own first rounder
2014- Denver gets NYK first rounder 2 years after Houston gets their pick
2015- Can't have 2 consecutive years w/o your own first rounder

That's what I thought just was not sure if it was 2015 or 2016.

scottyboy
06-17-2011, 10:20 PM
Nets are looking to eat some salary to take on a talented wing player. hit me up for offers

fenikz
06-17-2011, 10:25 PM
sounds like you want rashard lewis action

Zycho32
06-17-2011, 10:29 PM
I'll take Toronto for a 2nd then.

OSUGiants17
06-17-2011, 10:41 PM
Edit: Didnt see Zycho's post

LTgiants
06-17-2011, 10:42 PM
LOL OSU again asking for a team someone claims before him.

OSUGiants17
06-17-2011, 10:44 PM
Yeah first you beat my by 2 seconds, now I didn't scroll all the way and just saw the list STRIP posted and hit "end" and typed a quick reply

LTgiants
06-17-2011, 10:45 PM
It's alright I am not trying to make fun of you just think its funny that you did it twice.

Brodeur
06-17-2011, 10:45 PM
NO I WANTED THE RAPTORS. Screw you all.

diabsoule
06-17-2011, 10:49 PM
You didn't do a ******* thing with the Raptors last time and you want them this time?

Brodeur
06-17-2011, 10:50 PM
They're clearly my favorite team, I should get them. Duh.

WMD
06-17-2011, 10:51 PM
You didn't do a ******* thing with the Raptors last time and you want them this time?
They're his favorite team.

OSUGiants17
06-17-2011, 10:56 PM
It's alright I am not trying to make fun of you just think its funny that you did it twice.

As do I lol, I didn't take it as you making fun anyways so no worries

SeanTaylorRIP
06-17-2011, 10:57 PM
Because I will be busy next week, Diabsoule is my co-trade commish, you can send trades to either of us, and he can pass trades without my consent and vice versa, although if we are both here we will likely discuss trades together, we will also be handing each other our own trades to make things fair.

diabsoule
06-17-2011, 10:59 PM
This time I will be willing to listen to offers for CP3.

Stipulations: You will absolutely have to WOW me for me to move him. I expect a crap load in return.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-17-2011, 11:00 PM
Rockets are in full rebuild mode. For those with TPE's or young assets, looking to move guys like Lowry, Scola, T-Will, Courtney Lee, Thabeet for first rounders and young assets.

WMD
06-17-2011, 11:02 PM
Rockets are in full rebuild mode. For those with TPE's or young assets, looking to move guys like Lowry, Scola, T-Will, Courtney Lee, Thabeet for first rounders and young assets.

But STRIP, I say to you.. T-Will is a young asset, is he not?

LTgiants
06-17-2011, 11:06 PM
He is just trying to use him to get scottyboy to offer him something huge lol

SeanTaylorRIP
06-17-2011, 11:11 PM
But STRIP, I say to you.. T-Will is a young asset, is he not?

yeah he is I was referring more to Scola and Brad Miller in terms of young assets, I would move Twill though for a pick in this year or next years draft as I think his upside is somewhat limited to being a role player.

fenikz
06-18-2011, 12:27 AM
ugh can someone with some pull please change the PM time limit to like 30 seconds or something waiting 2 minutes is just ******* dumb

yo123
06-18-2011, 12:49 AM
WMD always has the nicest looking depth charts.

prock
06-18-2011, 01:51 AM
Anyone interested in Michael Beasley or the #2 pick, give me a PM asap. Looking especially for a SG and a C.

fenikz
06-18-2011, 02:03 AM
prock has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

go to user cp > options and check the box that says enable PM

YAYareaRB
06-18-2011, 02:21 AM
Anyone interested in Michael Beasley or the #2 pick, give me a PM asap. Looking especially for a SG and a C.

Is he a PF or SF? Which is he better at?

prock
06-18-2011, 03:11 AM
Is he a PF or SF? Which is he better at?

He's a tweener. If you are playing big, put him at the 3 and he can score effectively. If you are playing small, but him at the 4. Personally, I think he is more of a 3. He shoots a lot. Some days he is more efficient than others. I think he would be good as a second option. I like him on the team, it's just that the Wolves' 3 and 4 spots are such a ******* log jam.

EDIT - not sure why my PMs were off, but they are on now.

fenikz
06-18-2011, 04:54 AM
Wizards looking to move Andray Blatche for a young, more defensive team oriented PF

YAYareaRB
06-18-2011, 12:47 PM
I'm trying to move Paul Millsap for either a SG or SF.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-18-2011, 12:53 PM
I'm trying to move Paul Millsap for either a SG or PF.

You mean SF?

YAYareaRB
06-18-2011, 12:54 PM
You mean SF?

aww yes SF lol

SeanTaylorRIP
06-18-2011, 01:02 PM
aww yes SF lol

haha yeah that wasn't registering with me.

diabsoule
06-18-2011, 01:23 PM
David West is on the block for NOLA

OJ Mayo is on the block for Memphis

SeanTaylorRIP
06-18-2011, 01:30 PM
I'll take Detroit as a 3rd team:

Anyone can claim one of the following remaining teams:

LA Clippers
Boston Celtics

princefielder28
06-18-2011, 01:31 PM
I'll take Detroit as a 3rd team:

Anyone can claim one of the following remaining teams:

LA Clippers
Boston Celtics

i can take boston

SeanTaylorRIP
06-18-2011, 01:35 PM
Next to post gets Clippers.

sbh15
06-18-2011, 01:47 PM
Sixers will trade Elton Brand for anything. Just offer whatever you want. Obviously I don't want to take on equal salary in the form of a bunch of guys with long deals. Short term contracts are preferred.

Brodeur
06-18-2011, 02:10 PM
Next to post gets Clippers.

Just give me them.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-18-2011, 02:10 PM
Just give me them.

we can switch off and u can take the Pistons if you want?

Brodeur
06-18-2011, 02:13 PM
Nah, I don't really like being the team I cheer for in these things.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-18-2011, 02:14 PM
Nah, I don't really like being the team I cheer for in these things.

haha cool gotcha

LTgiants
06-18-2011, 02:24 PM
I will take them.

prock
06-18-2011, 02:29 PM
I have a bunch of offers for #2 and Beasley. I think I might be set on an offer for #2 unless I am blown away by an offer, but Beasley is still on the table.

And this 120 seconds between PMs is ******* annoying.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-18-2011, 02:40 PM
I will take them.

All the teams are filled now with Brodeur taking LA

LTgiants
06-18-2011, 02:43 PM
All the teams are filled now with Brodeur taking LA

Thats fine with me just figured I would offer.

D-Unit
06-18-2011, 04:37 PM
Remember, we're doing 2 offseasons in this mock.

princefielder28
06-18-2011, 04:55 PM
Remember, we're doing 2 offseasons in this mock.

when do you plan on starting the draft???

LTgiants
06-18-2011, 05:08 PM
When are the option deadlines?

fenikz
06-18-2011, 05:14 PM
Childress, Warrick, Frye can all be had for TPE or expiring contracts

YAYareaRB
06-18-2011, 05:55 PM
Anyone interested in Devin Harris?

YAYareaRB
06-18-2011, 06:14 PM
I'm pretty sure I'd be run out of Mormon central for some of the moves I'm making lol

YAYareaRB
06-18-2011, 06:57 PM
Any quality veteran PGs out there?

D-Unit
06-18-2011, 07:10 PM
Here is the timeline of events:

Saturday

Trading Period Opens
Salaries/Contracts for trades will be gathered from Shamsports.com.
Trade Exceptions will be gathered from Shamsports.com.
Player and Team options will be determined by Shamsports.com.
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp



Monday, 12 Noon EST

Deadline to declare Amnesty Clause players
Deadline to offer Qualifying Offers to eligible players

Qualifying Offers only mean that said player will be Restricted in FA.


Tuesday, 12 Noon EST

DRAFT BEGINS
Draft Lottery will have a 3 hour time limit

If you are here when you are on the clock, then your time limit is reduced by 1 hour. This only applies to the lottery.

Remainder of Round 1 will be reduced to a 2 hour time limit
Round 2 will be reduced to a 1 hour time limit


TBD

FREE AGENCY
Phase I



TBD

FREE AGENCY
Phase II
Deadline for teams to match offers for RFAs given offers in Phase I.



TBD

FREE AGENCY
Phase III
Deadline for teams to match offers for RFAs given offers in Phase II.



TBD

FREE AGENCY
Deadline for teams to match offers for RFAs given offers in Phase III.
Trading Period Ends.



TBD

GRADING AND SEASON RESULTS





TBD

2ND SEASON TO BEGIN

Trading Period Resumes
Draft Lottery
Deadline for Qualifying Offers
2012 NBA Draft
2012 Free Agency
Grades and Results
Trading Period Ends

prock
06-18-2011, 07:24 PM
The Wolves no longer have the second pick. I'm still fielding and considering offers for Beasley, as well as Webster, Flynn, or anyone like that.

LTgiants
06-18-2011, 07:25 PM
I sent you a message about Flynn.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-18-2011, 07:31 PM
Rockets on the Block
-Kyle Lowry
-Kevin Martin
-Courtney Lee
-Luis Scola
-Hasheem Thabeet
-Brad Miller

Mavs
Looking to use 4.3 mil, 3 mil, and 1.3 mil TPE's on just about anyone

Pistons on the Block
-Ben Gordon
-Charlie Villanueva
-Jason Maxiell
-Will Bynum

scottyboy
06-18-2011, 07:32 PM
Nets are willing to deal just about anybody not named D-WIll.
looking to package young guys like Farmar, Damion James and Outlaw

LTgiants
06-18-2011, 08:21 PM
Portland is looking to acquire a cheap center using there 2.3 million dollar exception

YAYareaRB
06-18-2011, 10:14 PM
Damn, if I can't find a spot to move Millsap to, he's playing Small Forward lol

sbh15
06-18-2011, 10:15 PM
Sixers still looking to deal Iguodala. Also have Nocioni who has a 6.5mil deal with a team option for another (basically an expiring contract if you don't want him). Just PM me an offer and we'll go from there.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-18-2011, 10:25 PM
no resonse to my trade offer? or am i forgetting?

Brodeur
06-18-2011, 11:02 PM
Anyone want Kaman?

WMD
06-19-2011, 01:12 AM
Soooo who has a PG to trade for sayyyy.. Ron Artest and Steve Blake?

diabsoule
06-19-2011, 01:50 AM
Hornets will to use their $6,656,000 to acquire a PF or C.

Also, David West is on the block. Get your offers in.

Zycho32
06-19-2011, 04:35 AM
Denver is looking to deal Raymond Felton for a swingman- preferrably someone who has a short contract and doesn't necessarily need PT if it can be avoided- and a draft pick high enough to bother, late 1st at the least.

Toronto is also bucking trends by moving Bargnani to the 3, and subsequentially seeking a more stout 5.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-19-2011, 08:26 AM
Dallas wants to use their 4.3 TPE in addition to the 26th+56th picks to acquire either a serviceable starter or solid role player. Am willing to part in addition with Dominique Jones+future picks if the players is good enough. My positions of target in order although I could use any are SG,PG,PF.

princefielder28
06-19-2011, 10:06 AM
taking offers for the 1st overall pick, Anderson Varejao, and even JJ Hickson

Brodeur
06-19-2011, 11:12 AM
I want Varejao!

SeanTaylorRIP
06-19-2011, 11:22 AM
Rockets have decided to build a team now and not go rebuilding, unless a great offer comes by Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee and Luis Scola are now off the block. Will now be shopping picks #14+23+38, Goran Dragic, Terrence Williams, Patrick Patterson, Jordan Hill, and Chase Budinger for proven players.

sbh15
06-19-2011, 11:34 AM
Sixers looking to trade Nocioni (expiring) for a big, even if it's a bad contract.

edit: Speights is available with him

WMD
06-19-2011, 11:51 AM
Dammits. I was gonna trade for Varejao.

OSUGiants17
06-19-2011, 12:11 PM
Anyone have a big Center or PF on the block?

diabsoule
06-19-2011, 12:16 PM
Anyone have a big Center or PF on the block?

I have David West on the block.

princefielder28
06-19-2011, 12:17 PM
Anyone have a big Center or PF on the block?

i've got hickson on the block but i'm looking for a young 2-guard in return

OSUGiants17
06-19-2011, 12:35 PM
I have David West on the block.
Whats the asking price

i've got hickson on the block but i'm looking for a young 2-guard in return
Sorry man, not really interested in Hickson

scottyboy
06-19-2011, 12:39 PM
oh, so you can market david west but not answer my pm's? I SEE HOW IT IS DIAB

WMD
06-19-2011, 01:00 PM
oh, so you can market david west but not answer my pm's? I SEE HOW IT IS DIAB

Remember when you told me you thought he was racist? I think this confirms it.

diabsoule
06-19-2011, 01:13 PM
If anyone needs depth at PG I'll take a TPE for Jarrett Jack

YAYareaRB
06-19-2011, 01:43 PM
So nothing really starts until tuesday. hmmm..

prock
06-19-2011, 02:55 PM
Do the Wolves have a TPE?

LTgiants
06-19-2011, 02:57 PM
Do the Wolves have a TPE?

No they don't have any.

RaiderNation
06-19-2011, 03:10 PM
The Kings have PG Beno Udrih, SG Francisco Garcia and SF Donte Greene on the block. Also open to trade the #7

prock
06-19-2011, 03:42 PM
If anyone needs depth at PG I'll take a TPE for Jarrett Jack

I don't have a TPE, but I am interested in Jack.

yo123
06-19-2011, 04:13 PM
Bulls are offering Gibson or Boozer for a SG.

Also possibly looking to move up in the first round.

princefielder28
06-19-2011, 07:08 PM
D-Unit, are you going to put up the draft thread some time early w/o a clock so we can get picks done before Tuesday or are you confident we'll get the complete draft done before the actual one on Thursday???

princefielder28
06-19-2011, 07:31 PM
looking to deal Hickson for a 2-guard or draft pick

WMD
06-19-2011, 07:35 PM
Anyone want Ron Artest? I'd prefer to get a PG but I'd be up for just about anything.

WMD
06-19-2011, 07:48 PM
Alsoooo I suppose I'd move Lamar Odom if I had to, for a PG.

DJC
06-19-2011, 08:46 PM
I saw some people looking for some bigs, Lee and Biedrins are available. Also, Bogut could be had for a nice offer.

yo123
06-19-2011, 09:08 PM
Shopping the #28, #38, and #43 picks for a backup SF or PF.

WMD
06-19-2011, 09:27 PM
Were player options posted somewhere?

WMD
06-19-2011, 10:49 PM
Miami Heat are looking to trade Michael Miller for a PG or Centah. Or both. Or neither.

D-Unit
06-20-2011, 01:09 AM
Were player options posted somewhere?
www.shamsports.com

diabsoule
06-20-2011, 02:21 AM
Who decides if players will pick up their options or exercise their ETO's?

D-Unit
06-20-2011, 03:08 AM
Who decides if players will pick up their options or exercise their ETO's?
I'll let STRIP do it this time.

fenikz
06-20-2011, 04:17 AM
If Irving falls to #2 I will be taking offers for him, but worst case scenario it would be sweet to see a Wall/Irving back court

SeanTaylorRIP
06-20-2011, 07:05 AM
Player options has been posted, I have training all day today and this week so won't be able to log on until tonight, diabsoule is my co-commish but if you want to get my approval on trades, want to offer me a trade, or whatever my # is 703.598.8234, just txt me whatever and I should get back to you.

Bosanac01
06-20-2011, 11:55 AM
Looking to trade Josh Smith for a center.

YAYareaRB
06-20-2011, 12:25 PM
Um. One of you offered me a deal for Iguodala. I deleted messages and forgot which one of you offered the deal.

sbh15
06-20-2011, 12:35 PM
I'm looking to move Speights... he's got upside and an expiring contract, so it's low risk. I don't know what I want... probably a backup PG (a true PG, no combo guards) or a good shooter at the 2.

Also, Hawes and Young could be S&T candidates after FA if you want to inquire about that.

RaiderNation
06-20-2011, 02:31 PM
Vet PG Beno Udrih is still on the block. Looking to exchange him for a vet SF

princefielder28
06-20-2011, 03:55 PM
the Cavs still are undecided as to their choice with the 1st overall pick so if anyone is interested in it, please go ahead and make an offer

scottyboy
06-20-2011, 03:57 PM
someone needs to give the nets a swing man. true story

princefielder28
06-20-2011, 04:30 PM
how did milwaukee ever negotiate a trade like that??? unreal that someone was willing to dish that much for Bogut and garbage

diabsoule
06-20-2011, 04:40 PM
how did milwaukee ever negotiate a trade like that??? unreal that someone was willing to dish that much for Bogut and garbage

Only way to get the salaries to match up, I would assume.

RaiderNation
06-20-2011, 04:48 PM
Who ever is the Thunder should be slapped. That's one of the worst trades I've seen in a forum mock.

fenikz
06-20-2011, 04:59 PM
and they turned down the opportunity to get Nash they should be shot

fenikz
06-20-2011, 06:37 PM
if anyone wants to join me ill be in #forummock on irc

trade talks though PMs are too slow

YAYareaRB
06-20-2011, 07:29 PM
Jazz Roster: "Everyday I'm shufflin'!!"

YAYareaRB
06-20-2011, 08:05 PM
I have a good idea of how my draft is gonna play out. You all better conform or else!

SeanTaylorRIP
06-20-2011, 08:08 PM
I'm back what'd I miss? Gotta catch up on these pm's.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-20-2011, 08:16 PM
Dang Zycho I definitely thought my offer of Terrence Williams+23 is better than what you got Posey+46.

fenikz
06-20-2011, 08:42 PM
I know someone out there wants a 17 & 8, 24 year old PF

SeanTaylorRIP
06-20-2011, 08:44 PM
I'm on IRC NFLDC if anyone wants to chat.

Brodeur
06-20-2011, 08:45 PM
GHETTO YOU ARE IGNORING MY TRADE OFFER!!!!!!!!!!!! Jerk.

princefielder28
06-20-2011, 09:08 PM
anyone who had asked about Sessions and/or Hickson, feel free to hit me up again bc i erased all my messages and am not sure who i got back to and who i didn't

Brodeur
06-20-2011, 09:11 PM
Now, I have some pieces to trade for a PG with Bledsoe/23/cap room, so someone give me a point guard.

DJC
06-20-2011, 09:14 PM
Sooo I guess Bogut is back on the block

diabsoule
06-20-2011, 09:20 PM
Sooo I guess Bogut is back on the block

David West for Bogut! Go! Go! Go!

Brodeur
06-20-2011, 09:36 PM
**** it, I'll trade Eric Gordon/Bledsoe/23/Aminu in some way for a good SF or a good PG. Pleaaaaaaaaase.

DJC
06-20-2011, 09:45 PM
On a related note, on the block doesn't equal giveaway.

fenikz
06-20-2011, 10:00 PM
Hakim Warrick back on the block for a TPE

diabsoule
06-20-2011, 10:01 PM
On a related note, on the block doesn't equal giveaway.

David West isn't a scrub. He's an All-Star!

sbh15
06-20-2011, 10:08 PM
Lou Williams is available depending on another trade. I'm willing to discuss something in the event I can work the other one out.

LTgiants
06-20-2011, 10:10 PM
Anybody who offered me a trade for a Blazer and I told you I cant right now cause I had that player in another deal PM me again cause they are now available.

WMD
06-20-2011, 10:21 PM
Anybody who offered me a trade for a Blazer and I told you I cant right now cause I had that player in another deal PM me again cause they are now available.
Too late motherfudger.

fenikz
06-20-2011, 10:24 PM
looking to move Vince Carter's $18 mil "expiring" for anything of value

diabsoule
06-20-2011, 10:53 PM
Jarrett Jack is available for anyone needing a PG

SeanTaylorRIP
06-20-2011, 11:06 PM
Looking to trade Terrence Williams for a veteran SF who makes no more than 4.8 mil, could include the 30th pick and first rounder next year via Knicks as well if good enough.

yo123
06-20-2011, 11:45 PM
So the draft starts tomorrow?

Docta
06-20-2011, 11:45 PM
I think there's a certain amount of time a team has to wait to trade a player they just received in a previous trade. Korver got traded twice.

LTgiants
06-20-2011, 11:45 PM
Not in the offseason.

Docta
06-20-2011, 11:50 PM
Found it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap

"If you acquire a player in a trade, you may trade that player straight up for another player immediately. If you wish to package that player with another and make a trade, you must wait 60 days."

Doesn't say anything about the offseason. And Korver wasn't traded alone.

YAYareaRB
06-20-2011, 11:58 PM
I don't think that rule applies here

D-Unit
06-21-2011, 12:01 AM
I think there's a certain amount of time a team has to wait to trade a player they just received in a previous trade. Korver got traded twice.
No that only relates to newly signed FAs. Traded players can go anytime. It's just not very common.

Docta
06-21-2011, 12:10 AM
No that only relates to newly signed FAs. Traded players can go anytime. It's just not very common.
It applies to trades too though. If you guys don't wanna use the rule then it's fine.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=1862689

"The conventional wisdom is that it can't happen until either Aug. 23rd or Sept. 20th because of specific rules in the CBA that prohibit a player who has already been traded from being retraded in a multiplayer deal within 60 days of his last trade."

YAYareaRB
06-21-2011, 12:17 AM
It applies to trades too though. If you guys don't wanna use the rule then it's fine.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=1862689

"The conventional wisdom is that it can't happen until either Aug. 23rd or Sept. 20th because of specific rules in the CBA that prohibit a player who has already been traded from being retraded in a multiplayer deal within 60 days of his last trade."

Waiting 60 days for trade in Quick NBA Fantasy Mock, not likely lol

fenikz
06-21-2011, 12:29 AM
you could make them wait til after FA but that's just an annoyance

Docta
06-21-2011, 12:29 AM
Waiting 60 days for trade in Quick NBA Fantasy Mock, not likely lol
The draft usually doesn't take a whole week either. You could just have a scale for it. Like 60 days = 1 week.

D-Unit
06-21-2011, 01:30 AM
Somebody explain how Quentin Richardson was traded 3 times in 1 offseason. Or look that up. Pretty sure that's what fueled my assumption.

Docta
06-21-2011, 02:00 AM
Somebody explain how Quentin Richardson was traded 3 times in 1 offseason. Or look that up. Pretty sure that's what fueled my assumption.
He was never traded with multiple players. Teams always traded him by himself.

As a reminder, Q was traded around draft day for Darko Milicic. Later, the Clippers took him in exchange for Zach Randolph. The Clips sent him off for a package including Sebastian Telfair, Craig Smith and Mark Madsen. And now he's gone off for Blount (who will be bought out by the Wolves, according to Jerry Zgoda of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune).

SeanTaylorRIP
06-21-2011, 07:59 AM
It applies to trades too though. If you guys don't wanna use the rule then it's fine.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=1862689

"The conventional wisdom is that it can't happen until either Aug. 23rd or Sept. 20th because of specific rules in the CBA that prohibit a player who has already been traded from being retraded in a multiplayer deal within 60 days of his last trade."

I don't really see the point of holding it off until free agency, I decided to do it for our mock draft purposes since he's getting a pick, instead of me picking for him then announcing the trade later I'd rather he have the pick now so I'm not on the hook if the clock runs out on that pick and I'm not here.


BTW have training again till night, still text me for any trades or anything like that and i'll get back to you in a timely matter: 703.598.8234

princefielder28
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
where's the draft thread??? i'm ready to pick

edit : i have the draft order updated if someone wants me to make the thread

YAYareaRB
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
The draft usually doesn't take a whole week either. You could just have a scale for it. Like 60 days = 1 week.

Still a little long. I'm not sure if we can go by the book in these quick ones because it would take so long. I mean, I'm not losing any sleep over skimming past a few rules

sbh15
06-21-2011, 10:55 AM
where's the draft thread??? i'm ready to pick

edit : i have the draft order updated if someone wants me to make the thread

It's supposed to start at 12 EST anyway, just make it in 5 minutes if nobody else does.

princefielder28
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
It's supposed to start at 12 EST anyway, just make it in 5 minutes if nobody else does.

it's up now, if D-Unit wants to make changes to it or whatever he can but for now i'll go ahead and make my pick so we can get this thing going

LTgiants
06-21-2011, 11:14 AM
Derrick Williams?


Really?

DBFxvYdoWQc

diabsoule
06-21-2011, 11:16 AM
I was thrown for a loop there as well. VERY surprised that you didn't go with Kyrie.

sbh15
06-21-2011, 11:21 AM
quickly, while everyone is in shock, i need a scorer! preferably at the 3! send me your worst offers

scottyboy
06-21-2011, 11:23 AM
NO! I NEED A SCORER AT THE 3!
don't listen to that imposter!

princefielder28
06-21-2011, 11:24 AM
when it came down to decision time, Williams stands out as the player who has the greatest chance to be a franchise changing player...

i think it'd be very helpful to the mock if people would leave contact information in this thread or on their depth chart so the draft can move smoothly

LTgiants
06-21-2011, 11:24 AM
Batum is available

OSUGiants17
06-21-2011, 11:33 AM
Still not the most shocking pick in Forum Mock history http://www.chimpout.com/forum/images/smilies/troll.png

Brodeur
06-21-2011, 11:35 AM
Blah, so what if that pick works out now.

D-Unit
06-21-2011, 11:44 AM
I've totally made a 180 on Williams. I was mistaken about his shooting. But he's easily the best player in this draft. I wouldn't take Kyrie over him.

OSUGiants17
06-21-2011, 11:51 AM
I've totally made a 180 on Williams. I was mistaken about his shooting. But he's easily the best player in this draft. I wouldn't take Kyrie over him.

Agreed, Williams should be the pick. Plus with the Cavs also having pick 4, they can easily get another PG with just as much potential as Irving to play with Williams, but they can't get someone close to Williams at 4 to team with Irving.

YAYareaRB
06-21-2011, 12:19 PM
I think its an awesome pick. Derrick Williams was definitely one of my fav players to watch last season

WMD
06-21-2011, 12:37 PM
Derrick Williams rules very much.

BTW someone should trade for Mike Miller.

LonghornsLegend
06-21-2011, 01:10 PM
I'd break things if we traded Roddy B + a 1st for JJ Hickson. Just wanted to point that out.

princefielder28
06-21-2011, 01:33 PM
i texted STRIP to see if he has fenikz's number since his clock technically ends in 35 minutes or so

prock
06-21-2011, 01:50 PM
Still not the most shocking pick in Forum Mock history http://www.chimpout.com/forum/images/smilies/troll.png

Robert Quinn anyone?

princefielder28
06-21-2011, 01:52 PM
Robert Quinn anyone?

I believe he was referring to Brook Lopez

YAYareaRB
06-21-2011, 02:02 PM
Someone just PM me when its my time. I'll be on all day but I'm terrible with time

DJC
06-21-2011, 02:15 PM
Thats absolute ******** that the new Bogut trade was blocked too. Diab must just be being a little ***** cause I wouldnt give him away for West or something. How do the Lakers get Danny Granger, one of the best scorers in the L, and Roy Hibbert, a above average young center, for the oft-injured Andrew Bynum + ********, and I cant get a trade done for Bogut for half of that value. On top of that, Javale McGee, an unproven center with character issue, goes for the 2nd pick in the draft. On top of that, you give away CP3 for Nash who's about to retire and some overpaid bench players. And your just gonna sit here and give ******** reasonings why you keep blocking Bogut trades, like Nick ******* Collison is really going to stop the Thunder from getting one of the best centers in the league, who isnt just top 10 in the L btw, but without a doubt top 5 and arguably top 3.

princefielder28
06-21-2011, 02:17 PM
It's not about Bogut, it's about what the Thunder are trying to do and it makes zero sense

the only issue about Bogut is the position he plays...the Thunder just traded for and then gave an extension to Kendrick Perkins and now they want to trade for someone who would not allow him to see the floor while also moving a player who they invested the 3rd overall pick in two years and proved during the playoffs that he's on his way to being the 3rd star on that squad and someone who would not ever be considered for a trade